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Featured Article Rotation[edit]

While I believe it was a great idea to implement this I think the follow improvements need to be made.

  • The featured articles in rotation should indicate their name, what they are(monster, race, class) and what edition they are for.
  • Fix the featured article images so external images display.
  • There should be a means to pause the slideshow as you can look at the page and read about a line or two before it switches and then have to keep sliding back.
  • A easy way to get to the featured articles page. My suggestion: Just clicking on the slide, given the speed, should open a new tab with the page on it.
  • A easy way to get to the list of featured articles.

Thoughts? --ConcealedLight (talk) 13:32, 9 March 2018 (MST)

Agreed with all of the above (Varkarrus (talk) 13:33, 9 March 2018 (MST))
I like all your ideas, but since this uses the SMW slideshow format, I would appreciate it if you could spend some time trying to get your ideas to work with this format, and see if we can make some improvements. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:02, 10 March 2018 (MST)
I'm not familiar with it but I will see what I can do GD. --ConcealedLight (talk) 13:18, 10 March 2018 (MST)
I implemented some of your bullet points above. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2018 (MDT)

I've noticed an issue with the rotation. If you slide the bar back and forth for an extended period (which I did for science, of course) the slide doesn't display properly. SirSprinkles (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2018 (MST)

Can you maybe submit this bug to the extensions developer? I doubt that it will get fixed any other way. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:02, 16 March 2018 (MDT)

We've probably had this discussion before, but I was wondering about changing indexes so that they lead with a "vetted list" of stuff that admins think are good - of the quality we would want representing us. This would include featured articles, but also possible featured article nominations. Then would follow the normal mixed-bag list, and finally the "needs maintenance " list. One problem might be that anyone could add the "good page" category to their page, but we could obfuscate this by using Category:* or somesuch. I could go through one of the shorter lists to demonstrate what this might look like. Marasmusine (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2018 (MDT)

I really have no idea what you are trying to say. Maybe can you explain it better? The current problem is that admins should be taking over the FA's (Talk:Featured Articles#Time Limits?), but I doubt that is being worked on. --Green Dragon (talk) 02:21, 20 April 2018 (MDT)p
I kinda get what Mara is saying(I think). Essentially, he is wanting to create a list of completed pages that could be used to better represent dandwiki and to do that he wants to change something fundemental about the way to site works. Mara, I've been thinking about the something similar and the site representation as well over the last few days. Take a look at the subreddit User:SgtLion registered for us, [1](reddifying sludges beautiful formatting done by yours truly). I was thinking of proposing the idea to GD, of submitting content onto it(FA's and "good" articles) and developing our reddit prescence since we get bashed constantly on it. --ConcealedLightThis user is an administrator (talk) 03:54, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
I disagree with this, since then we are relying on a select group of users instead of a system. This is also why we added the top banner, and allow all users to work with maintenance templates. I am open to expanding the FA system, but curating really has nothing to do with a game system. Curators are for select exhibits and personalized works, not for anything we have. --Green Dragon (talk) 03:59, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
And in regards to developing and improving our prescence of reddit through uploading content to the subreddit? --ConcealedLightThis user is an administrator (talk) 04:06, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
Can you please give me your context? I cannot piece together what you mean without it. As I said, expanding the Featured Articles system would be great. This could include an index, just when its curated then it loses its usefulness. --Green Dragon (talk) 04:20, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
[edit conflict] I'm personally not interested in reddit, I don't use it. I want readers of this site (including myself) to be able to quickly look through quality pages to add content to their game, rather than wading through though thousands of pages of dross. I don't know what "system" could do this other than getting trusted users to go "yep, this is a good page" (and allowing another trusted user to contest that). The admins, I would like to think, are trusted users. I wouldn't describe the change as "fundamental"? It's just listing some pages before others for visibility, by adding a category. To be clear, I am not suggesting this as a replacement for FA. Edit: Particularly as FA tends to focus on large articles like classes and races, whereas the "good" list would include very short pages like equipment or feats that are ready to drop into a campaign. Marasmusine (talk) 04:32, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
Ah, you know what GD, disregard the above. I'd be better of focusing my efforts on FAs. Marasmusine (talk) 04:43, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
Not sure if you're aware but there is a [[Category:Completed_Pages]]. --ConcealedLightThis user is an administrator (talk) 05:32, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
I think there's going to be a difference between what an author believes is "complete" and what we decide through consensus is a "quality article". In some cases, the "completed" request that no further edits be made might prevent an article from becoming a QA! Marasmusine (talk) 07:42, 20 April 2018 (MDT)
Discussion continued at Talk:Featured_Articles#Featured_Articles_and_Lists

Redacted revisions[edit]

Can I be clear on that we have inhereted Wikipedia's policy regarding redacted revisions? [2]. I'm not sure if we've had a discussion on its implementation. Marasmusine (talk) 16:20, 23 May 2018 (MDT)

We did neglect to have a proper discussion regarding this ability; I guess because we've always *technically* had the ability. I fully believe that the policy in question should be in effect, it seems entirely reasonable. The only addendum I don't see in the linked policy is that we should feel free to hide IPs if people come to us privacy concerns. --SgtLion (talk) 15:57, 24 May 2018 (MDT)
I agree. If someone is of another opinion, then we should first discuss this again. How it is now, though, everyone has reached this point. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:26, 25 May 2018 (MDT)
The only time I ever used it at Wikipedia was to hide a series of bad-faith edits that were accompanied by personal attacks in the edit summary (criteria 2 under WPs policy). I just want to make sure that we are hiding the revisions that follow these criteria, rather than for example hiding revisions that we just happen not to like. Marasmusine (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2018 (MDT)

This edit [[3]] doesn’t seem to go along with the norm. Wouldn’t “undo” have been appropriate vs hiding cursing? ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 14:27, 13 January 2019 (MST)

Seeing that in the end admins have to ban the user anyway, it's fine to delete the revision. Of course, this is more work than it may be worth, so it's also fine to undo the edit. I don't think we need a hard policy on which way we best deal with vandalism, most importantly it is no longer there. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:12, 13 January 2019 (MST)

So, I was wondering.....[edit]

I was wondering, how do I become an Admin? I was going through some classes and races a few days ago and they didn't seem right to me, but only an Admin could change them.Any way I could become an Admin? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Travis Stoll (talkcontribs). Please sign your posts.

Generally, to become an admin, you would go through the Requests for Adminship process. As for the classes and races you took issue with, could you leave more detailed feedback on their respective talk pages? — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 19:49, 12 June 2018 (MDT)
You could tell us here (or on an admin's talk page) which pages, and we can remove the protection (if only temporarily). I think that would be the fastest way. Marasmusine (talk) 02:11, 13 June 2018 (MDT)

Equipment Spacing?[edit]

Hi, I've been wounding why equipment pages have so much spacing. I've asked GA and Geo in private as well as looked back through the logs but can't find anything about a discussion. Does anyone know? Or am I better off asking Mara directly? —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 09:32, 29 June 2018 (MDT)

You added the |property section to the 5e magic item template, which caused it, see Template talk:5e Magic Item.--Blobby383b (talk) 11:57, 29 June 2018 (MDT)
Yeah, I've fixed it. I was more asking why the 5e Magic Item template is enclosed in a div that restricts the page width to 75%? —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 00:16, 30 June 2018 (MDT)

Playtesting[edit]

I thought it'd be a good idea to put Cotsu's playtesting discussions on the recent news, but not sure how y'all felt. Yay...Nay? BigShotFancyMan (talk) 14:36, 14 August 2018 (MDT)

Is the goal of the discussion to start a wiki game? --Green Dragon (talk) 23:40, 14 August 2018 (MDT)
I do believe so. I looked into the history of recent news which has announcements for wiki games, so I am sort of feeling like I shouldn't just looked at that first. Live and learn. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2018 (MDT)
Once Cotsu Malcior is ready, then yes add a news posting about it. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:43, 16 August 2018 (MDT)

List of nominated articles on front page[edit]

Hi, I was thinking it'd be a good idea to list all featured AND quality article nominees on the right side of the front page, as a way to promote voting and discussion on the pages. We can put it to a vote. Varkarrus (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2018 (MDT)

So, we don't put ideas up for a vote unless concensus does not bring the discussion to any reasonable conclusion. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:04, 4 November 2018 (MST)
Why is our link to the Featured Articles page not enough? What additional benefits does this provide, or why is it not just clutter? Maybe, would making the FA page link more prominent fulfill this goal better than an entire list? --Green Dragon (talk) 08:23, 4 November 2018 (MST)
As GD says, matters should be discussed as a community before being put to vote. See WP:NOTDEM and WP:VOTE. Dandwiki follows these same ideals, for the most part. --SgtLion (talk) 13:41, 4 November 2018 (MST)

Discussion

What do you mean by right side of the front page? I don't see a place where it would go. We have no sidebar. And by front page, I assume you mean this page?--GamerAim Chatmod.png (talk) 05:39, 4 November 2018 (MST)

Support

Yeah, I'm supporting. Varkarrus (talk) 23:59, 3 November 2018 (MDT)

Oppose

I am opposing this proposition for the simple reason that there's no proposal on how this would be implemented. I think it's a good idea and would support attempts to actually do it, but this vote doesn't offer any specifics on implementation. It seems to be like a regular discussion should have been held to discuss our options. If there's multiple ideas on implementation and/or people disagree with this idea, then we should put it to a vote. Otherwise, I fail to see what purpose this vote actually serves.--GamerAim Chatmod.png (talk) 06:55, 4 November 2018 (MST)

Neutral

Suggestions to help users avoid mistaking homebrew for official[edit]

As you know, there's a long-standing issue that users mistake D&D Wiki's homebrew for official. Currently, I feel the site's notices could be improved to help avoid confusion. Here are my suggestions:

  • The left text, "Home of user-generated, homebrew pages!" can be ambiguous because it may sound like users only write the pages (as with any wiki) but that the content is official. I recommend replacing it with something clearer like "The #1 repository of fan-made game content!"
  • Someone told me that they ignored the "Homebrew Page" sign because they mistook it for an advertisement. It looks too different to the rest of the site, the text is hard to read, and it's way up at the top where people may ignore it. I suggest replacing it with a thin bar which appears below the page title and says "This content was created by D&D Wiki contributor {{USERNAME}}." or "This game content was created by members of the D&D Wiki community (read more)." with (read more) linking to an FAQ on homebrew.

I also think the following would be advantageous:

  • I recommend replacing the background image with another similar image, if one can be found or made. The current one is owned by Wizards of the Coast and may incur a copyright complaint, and using official WotC art in the wallpaper may cause some people to assume the site is official.
  • I recommend that the help pages advise contributors not to name their content the same thing as existing official content, to avoid confusion.
  • I'm a fan of that new slogan. I'd support it.
  • It is not our responsibility to account for the ignorance of every possible user. It is not our fault your player was less than brilliant. Ultimately, there will be people who will just assume that, because it's a wiki, it's official, no matter what we say.
  • I always felt the background images, while fancy, were a little strange. Perhaps it's time to talk about updating the theme of the website again?
  • The help pages already do this. There are several places in which we specify the rules regarding remakes of official content.
--Kydo (talk) 13:18, 15 December 2018 (MST)
I second these suggestions, particularly the banner replacement. Though, I have no issue with the site's theme; I think it feels appropriate for the site itself. Varkarrus (talk) 13:47, 15 December 2018 (MST)
This has been discussed at length here. Currently, the idea was to wait for a new skin, or some examples of what we were discussing. Since the technical know-how needs to be available to make any of these changes, this is also a defining point about what can, or should, be changed. Currently Blue Dragon does not have time to work on anything like a skin, or experiments in this direction.
Using "repository of fan-made game content" can be misleading since D&D Wiki also hosts the SRD. There must be a clever choice which would fit better.
The banner could be changed, but adding wiki syntax (which also does not fit the page since we use history to mark all the contributions to a page and not an arbitrary system), does not seem technically feasible. If you have some mark-ups for a new banner that would be great.
--Green Dragon (talk) 05:56, 16 December 2018 (MST)
I can see why you think it could be misleading, but I don't see it that way. I interpret that tagline as saying that we primarily host user-generated content, not that we only host user-generated content.
Could you ask BD about making it so that the banner shows up on all pages in Category:User, instead of all pages in the mainspace? The goal here is to stop the banner from showing up on pages where it doesn't belong (for example, the main page). — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 10:41, 16 December 2018 (MST)
The banners are all on MediaWiki:Common.css. I'm saying that I don't know if we can single out pages by category using CSS. I imagine the next step is to research what CSS could do, maybe try a few things to see if it's possible. --Green Dragon (talk) 22:36, 18 December 2018 (MST)

Main Page Layout[edit]

I find the front page redundant. Varkarrus attempted to get a link for Featured Articles on the right side of the page to help the link be more visible and it wasn't seen with favor. They are onto something though.
The questions were asked, "Why is our link to the Featured Articles page not enough? What additional benefits does this provide, or why is it not just clutter? Maybe, would making the FA page link more prominent fulfill this goal better than an entire list?" and things fizzled from there. Well, we have link to each edition on the left to everything that takes up a majority of the Main Page. So I ask this, is that clutter?
I'd like the Feature Article info to sit higher. Perhaps a layout that instead of the title/header being Main Page, it say Welcome to D&D Wiki and then below that the Recent News box be shown. Below that, the featured articles box. And then we get to what is currently at the top, but replaced by links to pages other than what is already on the left. I think I am proposing major facelift to the main page; it would be nice to execute it along with a background and banner update that keeps getting mentioned. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 10:05, 18 December 2018 (MST)

Most of the users who visit D&D Wiki do not view the news items, which change not all that often. In addition most of the news items have little to do with D&D, why most people visit D&D Wiki. The featured articles, although great, have not been really taken oven by the administration (which multiple users have stressed), but seem more like a list of articles which the bureaucrats have still to approve.
The list of featured articles (and how often they change) is very minimal. If this was improved maybe I could agree with this proposal, but currently it would not benefit most of our users.
Technically, I also do not see a way to just change the background and banner on the Main Page. If you have a solution that would be different, but do we really want a background that deviates from the rest of the site? This seems like it would just confuse a lot of users. --Green Dragon (talk) 10:17, 18 December 2018 (MST)
hmmm.. You hit another topic I have beef with: the recent news. The news can have something to do with D&D; when an article is nominated for featuredness and its success if that occurs, a user is looking for players in a play-by-post campaign, and other significant topics occur. If recent news isn't really looked at because it really isn't used, then is it clutter?
I didn't mean the background to deviate from the site. Perhaps I am confused because I thought I read a need to change our background and the desire to update the site's banners. I do understand that those items (backgrounds and banners) are not just flip of the switch changes. I am not, however, an individual with knowledge to change them.
Some things you mention I would like to discuss more about but I'll use their appropriate talk pages (Featured Articles) ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 10:33, 18 December 2018 (MST)

using MediaWiki:Sitenotice as a noticeboard[edit]

How might people feel about using MediaWiki:Sitenotice as a more visible place for site news, similar to the Fire Emblem wiki? I get that we already have {{News}} on the main page, but let's be real here: a lot of people don't actually go to the main page. If we use this for site news, a lot more people would see that. — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 15:43, 31 January 2019 (MST)

I think I don’t fully understand; what would the difference be? ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2019 (MST)
MediaWiki:Sitenotice displays a banner across the top of every page, making it a very visible place to display notifications that users would likely consider important, like MediaWiki updates, community events, and requests for adminship (which the FE wiki doesn't seem to display, though I do think it should be displayed here).
I rarely visit the main page, even though I'm on here nearly every day. I have the {{news}} template watched now, after having edited it, but before I was an admin I never really saw any news on this site because of my infrequent visitation to the main page, and I imagine a good portion of our users are the same, whereas if news was posted to the site notice, it definitely would be seen by everybody that uses the site. — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 16:07, 31 January 2019 (MST)
MediaWiki:Sitenotice is very important if something serious comes up, like downtime, updates, etc. I feel that very important messages may, then, seem banal. The news doesn't change that often.
Are you talking about using MediaWiki:Sitenotice to highlight time-critical news items, or items that are deemed more important? For example it would make no sense to have a failed RfA news item on the sitenotice for a few months. The said user would probably be offended. I can see a purpose for using the sitenotice for then defined critical news. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:01, 31 January 2019 (MST)
I'd rather we used it for only important stuff as GD said. —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 04:49, 1 February 2019 (MST)
I don't mind an RfA going up when it happens; when it is over I think the notice can be taken down. I wouldn't suggest this for Featureds Articles (just mentioning before it is suggested) because the site notice could become bloated (but I would love something to publicize these more!). But RfAs seem important to me. I've seen past proceedings where users didn't get a chance to vote because they didn't know. I feel I am in between on this, use it for some [important] news but not all news. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 08:14, 1 February 2019 (MST)
I agree that FAs shouldn't be put on the site notice; that works well for the FE wiki because of their (relatively) low number of articles and their nature as a factual wiki, but wouldn't work well for us. I don't think I articulated well why I think RfA's should be there but it's basically for the same reason BigShot said. I feel it's important for the community to have a say in who is trusted with admin tools, and this would help to let people know that they *can* have a say.
If we do go this route, how would people feel about also linking to our social media in the site header? I get that we have links to Facebook and Discord on the sidebar, but they're underneath everything else and not super visible. I've made a mockup here of how this could potentially look. — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 11:44, 2 February 2019 (MST)
That header looks quite neat. I can definitely see something like it being helpful for the wiki. Quincy (talk) 12:26, 2 February 2019 (MST)
That seems very obtrusive. We already have a prominent top banner, and other isn't a good idea. Either the table should nearly blend in with the background, or it should just be text. Also, I think the social media links are also obtrusive. If we want them, try adding just a small logo on the edge of the notice. --Green Dragon (talk) 22:56, 3 February 2019 (MST)
I like the header. Obtrusive may be needed because I wouldn't call that top banner prominent considering how much it is overlooked. The links are no more obtrusive than bold lettering in my opinion.
Replace banner with this header ;) lol ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 08:43, 4 February 2019 (MST)
I don't think I'd want that on the top of every page, it's a bit big but also pretty empty. I'd just take the Discord link that's beneath everything else, and move it to beneath the search bar on the side instead. Varkarrus (talk) 11:26, 13 February 2019 (MST)
Varkarrus, what you said is how I meant to describe "obtrusive". It's good that multiple users consider this a concern, so I propose that we should see more examples before we decide on a sitenotice. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2019 (MST)

New Skin[edit]

I propose that we implement ConcealedLight's skin even in the beta phase. I have been trying it for over a week now, and haven't encountered any problems. In addition the mobile unfriendlyness with the current skin has been completely resolved. The reason that I propose that we implement the skin as soon as possible is because it does not break on mobile. As ConcealedLight develops the skin more, we can always update the default skin again. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:07, 10 February 2019 (MST)

Thank you for putting your faith in me. I'll keep trying to improve it in my spare time. If consensus is reached for such an implementation, I'd like to see if it would be possible to add id in the div which contains the div which contains the text, "Home of user-generated, homebrew pages!" so I could target it in the css and centre the text. Another idea I had was having the sidebar headers link to general pages. For example, "Homebrew" would link to the root of all homebrew on the wiki, a place where you could navigate to any editions/systems homebrew content or the "System Ref. Documents" would link to the root of all SRD content on the wiki where you could do the same.
ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 14:37, 11 February 2019 (MST)
I haven't seen this skin yet, where can I go to check it out? That said, I have faith that Green Dragon is a good judge of this skin so I feel it's likely I'll support it. Varkarrus (talk) 15:03, 11 February 2019 (MST)
To test the skin, copy the contents of this page into your custom sledged.css (Varkarrus) and then set your preferences to use the custom skin. --Green Dragon (talk) 22:29, 11 February 2019 (MST)
Ah! yep, it works. Looks less different than I was expecting, but it's subtly nicer! Varkarrus (talk) 11:24, 13 February 2019 (MST)
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