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Breadcrumb and Categories[edit]

Hey Ref3erence! I am cleaning up things and noticed that there's many pages you've created without these. They help navigate and sort/organize the wiki so if you could add them that would be great. All you need to do is copy and paste whats below if it isn't already on a page. I'd really appreciate the help in keeping the wiki cleaned up. ~ BigShotFancyMan 12:14, 2 July 2019 (MDT)
{{5e Campaign Settings Breadcrumb}} → [[Halo (5e Campaign Setting)]]

Naruto: Shinobi[edit]

I wanted to find a way to contact you and ask you questions about the naruto dnd that you help create so if you have a instagram or something could you tell me it plz or I can talk to you on this either way is fine. Mine is Rockinthehouse2

Thanks for telling me.

Hey, sorta been a long time since I've been on the wiki, I was actually the original creator of the Naruto Shinobi. I originally only needed the template layout, I figured I'd delete it after I out it into a file for my later use, but I saw some people liked it. Anyhow, I'm really glad to see people have been working on it, so I just wanted to pop by and say I'm glad to see someone expanding and balancing it. Good Job- Arsenal

Thanks! I originally picked it up to fix up a handful of formatting issues, but since then it's kinda become one of my magnum opuses. To be honest, I'm not great at adapting content from scratch, but once there's a general outline, I can easily burn off a huge amount of content all at once. I couldn't have made this class what it is today without what you did way back in January of 2017, and for that you have so much of my thanks. --Ref3rence (talk) 22:02, 21 December 2020 (MST)

Discussing the saiyan fighter second variant class[edit]

if you have a discord,would be more then happy to talk with you about the edits to the class,you will find me as Hypnoshadow on discord in the dnd wiki discord

Moving Work In Progress Stands (5e Subclass)[edit]

Hey there reference, I am here to ask you about potentially moving the Work In Progress Stands (5e Subclass) to a better place. I was thinking that since there was a need for a workplace of some sorts to work on stands, why not make it so the WIP page is a subpage to Stand User Variant (5e Class) as opposed to having the page on its own? The new name in question would be Stand User Variant (5e Class)/Work In Progress Stands and a link to the subpage could be provided on the talk page of Stand User Variant (5e Class) saying that all incomplete ideas or thoughts on possible new stands could be put here. I hope you will consider the thought as it will make it much easier for users to find the WIP page and for users to find which class page the WIP page belongs to. Thanks again.--Blobby383b (talk) 14:39, 30 September 2019 (MDT)

Wraith Suit[edit]

You completely changed how my armor works! It's not per rest, it has a set recharge time, and when you screw with that you get a spell, not an armor. Next time you want to alter one of my articles that changes it mechanically, let me know. I write these things in this way for a reason, and you may not see the reason, but that doesn't mean you should just change it without talking to me first! Flamestarter (talk) 14:44, 25 October 2019 (MDT)Flamestarter

While I understand where you're coming from, my main reason for changing it was because "once per day" is imprecise, though your most recent edit fixed that. The other reason was that mechanically a long rest is 8 hours long at least, thus players taking more than one long rest per day is very unlikely. Ultimately, I changed it to be somewhat more mechanically to how it works in X-Com, but that's subjective. If I did modify it to be more inline with your reasoning, I would use the wording "until the same time the next day", but it's up to you. -Ref3rence (talk) 14:57, 25 October 2019 (MDT)
Well, thank you, and I'm sorry for losing it. Just make sure to make a detailed note of what you've done and why in the discussion area, or I will undo it. I really hate it when I get edits snuck into my articles. Flamestarter (talk) 15:52, 25 October 2019 (MDT)Flamestarter

My One for All Class[edit]

Hey there, I see you left a comment on my One for All page. I'm not sure how you located it since it is a user page, and since it is such I would prefer if it isn't edited. The class is going through lots of changes as it's playtested and worked on. While you're welcome to use it or suggest changes on the talk page, I request it not be edited directly. Thanks and sorry for the inconveniences. Celestial Mechanist (talk) 17:12, 26 October 2019 (MDT)

Homunculus (5e Class)[edit]

Ahoy Reference! This page has been untouched for months and I was curious if you have plans to return to it? Red Leg Leo (talk) 08:07, 3 March 2020 (MST)

I have been meaning to go back and continue working on it, I just got stuck in a rut on what to add. Rest assured, one day I will complete it. -Ref3rence (talk) 09:50, 3 March 2020 (MST)
Sounds good. If you could just touch up something that'd take it of a dpl that tracks WIPs or having it on a subuser page wouldn't require a WIP. Red Leg Leo (talk) 10:37, 3 March 2020 (MST)

Image attribution[edit]

Hey, I just wanted to give you some info on using images and properly giving attribution. If the image is a screenshot from a show or movie, that counts under Fair Use and should be uploaded to the wiki so that the link can't be broken. If it is an image from somewhere else, you should provide a link to the official page for the artist and attempt to link directly to the original image. --PJammaz (talk) 09:43, 4 April 2020 (MDT)

Sorry for the delay. While I understand the risk of redlinking, I don’t believe that having a fair use image not uploaded to the wiki counts as incorrect attribution. --Ref3rence (talk) 13:21, 5 April 2020 (MDT)
The important part is providing links to the original source. Just mentioning the name of the artist or series is not enough. --PJammaz (talk) 14:28, 5 April 2020 (MDT)
Fair enough. --Ref3rence (talk) 14:47, 5 April 2020 (MDT)

Variant Features for Homebrews[edit]

I'd disagree they aren't for homebrews. I think Soul Siphon doesn't need its own article though. But if there is a user war over what can be put on a page, I'd understand a user doing something like this. Red Leg Leo (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2020 (MDT)

It also looks as though three minutes took place before a users idea was thrown in the garbage. I've encouraged people in the past not to rush so quickly to delete or stamp IRR templates on newly created pages. Users would be more encouraged to collaborate if our community did the same. Red Leg Leo (talk) 12:05, 27 April 2020 (MDT)
I apologize for my conduct, the edit was hasty and unnecessarily hostile. My intent was that variant features for homebrew classes should be on their respective class page, not that they shouldn't exist at all, and that as such the content should be moved there, thus making the page redundant and deletable. I will work to correct my behavior in the future.--Ref3rence (talk) 12:17, 27 April 2020 (MDT)
That would have made a lot more sense, and much easier to understand when going through CfD. Red Leg Leo (talk) 12:41, 27 April 2020 (MDT)

The Titanshifter (5e Class) Edit War[edit]

Hey there Ref3rence, I just wanted to let you know that I am thankful for what you did when you were dealing with User:DEUSVULT9000's edits on the titanshifter class. Specifically, you did do the right things in explaining your reasoning on the talk page after the initial edits, and when that didn't work, you contacted the user to try and reach them, and finally you contacted an admin to try and resolve the situation. If you do encounter situations like this in the future though, try to contact the user or an admin to help with the situation sooner before a full blown edit war ensues on the page in question.--Blobby383b (talk) 21:38, 9 May 2020 (MDT)

Will do, thanks again. --Ref3rence (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2020 (MDT)

On the Saiyan Fighter...[edit]

So I'm a huge munchkin and love making incredibly powerful characters, and I was wondering which of the variants are the most powerful? Sorry if this sounds dumb. Also, which of the subclasses do you recommend? They all sound cool and I cant decide. Thanks in advance! --Mushroomwizard (talk) 22:03, 10 July 2020 (MDT)

Saiyan Fighter, Variant (5e Class) was the original, with Saiyan Fighter, 2nd Variant (5e Class) having extended (and typically more powerful) subclasses. If you plan on going above 20th level, I'd suggest Ascended Saiyan (5e Class) over its variant simply for more options (balance-wise they're about the same). Any of the subclasses are about as good as the others, but I personally have a soft spot for Successor and Traveler. --Ref3rence (talk) 23:03, 10 July 2020 (MDT)

Alright, sounds good. Thank you. I have been dming my group for little over a year now and I wanna try something new by making a BBEG from a cool themed homebrew class. Found this one and it fit very well. Thank you! --Mushroomwizard (talk) 23:15, 10 July 2020 (MDT)

Paradox space (5e Campaign Setting)[edit]

Thank you for the rating! –MJLTalk 11:48, 21 July 2020 (MDT)

Naruto Shinobi Pdf[edit]

Hey! ive been working on a pdf using the regular 5e format, and the Bestiary is taking forever, but im including as much info from the shinobi world setting you made, as i possibly can without spending forever on it. If you wanna check it out so far feel free to pm me on twitter @AshBoyo Thanks for the setting forreal tho been playing it and its by far my fave way to play dnd 5e. 5:14 am EST 8/30/2020

I'm really glad you're enjoying it! I might check it out if I get the chance. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:49, 30 August 2020 (MDT)

On the Shinigami, Variant (5e class)[edit]

Worked up a lot on it. Also mentioned in the discussion for the class what all I addressed from your concerns. -- Wes1996 (talk) 14:06, 14 September 2020 (EST)

Worked on the newest concerns as well. Hope they look a bit better with the examples and moving around of the wording on Soul Ignition. -- Wes1996 (talk) 17:24, 14 September 2020 (EST)

I just finished up the last few abilities on Bakudo and Hado Master. I would love for you to look over them and leave any thoughts in the discussion on the class page. -- Wes1996 (talk) 13:31, 25 September 2020 (EST)

The new additions look great. --Ref3rence (talk) 11:46, 25 September 2020 (MDT)

Languages as they Relate to JoJo content[edit]

On my neverending crusade of enforcing good homebrew, I came across a certain Narancia_Ghirga_(5e_Creature). Let me get this out of the way, I'm a huge JoJo fan, and thus love seeing stuff based off it. Howevwe, one thing stuck out to me like a sore thumb, that being the use of Italian as opposed to Common. After a small editing war, the conclusion was reached that this was for a unique setting, to which I say: Make a note of it.


Someone404 (talk) 07:56, 10 November 2020 (MST)

Except it is very clearly marked. The use of the supplement category keeps said page from showing up effectively anywhere beyond the setting itself, it has the JJBA Setting category, and its breadcrumbs lead to the JJBA campaign setting. Maybe check for markings before complaining that they aren't there next time. --Ref3rence (talk) 08:06, 10 November 2020 (MST)


Hi Ref3erence, this is a warning for profane language on Talk:5e Mashup Classes]. D&D Wiki has a [[Help:Behavioral Policy|behavioral policy] that can be reviewed to help with this, as well as a warning policy. Red Leg Leo (talk) 09:22, 10 December 2020 (MST)

My apologies, in my lexicon it was about as mundane as referring to a dimension of infinite suffering as hell. Nevertheless, I recognize my error and will ensure I no longer use such language on this wiki. —Ref3rence (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2020 (MST)

Formatting Issues[edit]

Hi. You fixed the image on my Mokele Mbembe. I don't mean to sound rude, but the same thing appears to be happening to my new ropen creature, and I was wondering if you could fix it? —Dinomaster337 (talk) 10:23, 24 March 2021 (MST)

There's nothing rude about asking for help. It looks like SwankyPants fixed it before I could, but for future reference, fandom wiki images typically end in .jpg/revision/bunchastuff or .png/revision/bunchastuff, but anything past the file type (.jpg/.png) should be removed to make the image show up.--Ref3rence (talk) 08:33, 24 March 2021 (MDT)
I see. Thanks :) —Dinomaster337 (talk) 10:50, 24 March 2021 (MST)


Lets talk

Hi--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by God9876 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts.

That's some concept from someone who has intentionally avoided the page in question's talk page, but yes, hello, what would you like to discuss.--Ref3rence (talk) 13:08, 9 April 2021 (MDT)

Celestial Fist (5e Class)[edit]

Page restored, go ahead and move it. I'll remove its deletion template to keep it from going poof until you get to it.--Nuke The Earth (talk) 22:31, 8 May 2021 (MDT)

Many thanks!--Ref3rence (talk) 22:33, 8 May 2021 (MDT)

Dragon ball campaign setting[edit]

Hey there, I'm Paul from the Naruto campaign setting, I absolutely love your work and I've recently seen you work on a dragon ball setting which is still work in progress. And I'm a huge fan of the show, as much if not more as I'm a fan of Naruto, and even more so of playing D&D themed as it. I've been looking for a proper setting for the past two years but haven't got any luck and the few I found weren't that good. So I've been wondering if i could contribute to the setting, if so, a guideline or two on where i should start would be appreciated. P@uL (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2021 (MDT)

Absolutely! Right now, the main focus is on the Bestiary, though if you wanted to get started on Adventures or Treasures that'd be great too. Just like with Naruto, all creatures are built from the ground up as players, with CR = level. If you start making a creature only to realize that a big technique of theirs/a reasonable equivalent isn't in the class page, feel free to add it (I feel there are enough techniques already in place to make a reasonable comparison when making a new one). Any NPCs from late DB classic/early Z onward should be at least level 15, with levels 1-10 being almost exclusively for characters considered incredibly weak (i.e. Beets or World Martial Arts Tournament competitors that do not pass the elimination round). Hope this helps, I'm really excited to have another pair of hands on this.--Ref3rence (talk) 08:55, 1 June 2021 (MDT)

Got it. Thanks! P@uL (talk) 13:08, 1 June 2021 (MDT)

I've started working on the bestiary, I use point buy for the starting stats. Here's the stat block if you want to take a look Nappa (Dragon Ball Supplement)

And please do look at the class' talk page when you find the time. P@uL (talk) 10:13, 2 June 2021 (MDT)

Fullmetal Cloak, Variant (5e Equipment)[edit]

Recently I've been rooting around in the incomplete magic items, and found this thing. It seemed like an easy fix, but I checked the history and found that you were the one that made it. Figured I'd check if it was alright if I screwed with it a bit. --SwankyPants (talk) 20:19, 24 July 2021 (MDT)

I can't find any actual evidence of it, but I'm 99% sure I "made" that page during a bit of an edit war around the now-deleted original Fullmetal Cloak. Regardless, bombs away, go for it.--Ref3rence (talk) 20:25, 24 July 2021 (MDT)
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