User talk:Dark Dragon

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Concerning your recent edits to the Template:3.5e Deity, please be aware that this template serves as the main deity template for almost all 3.5e deities on the site; making edits to it for material that isn't comparable to the SRD has an effect of breaking a large number of other pages, and some of its functions (such as a deity's domains) were broken by your edits. While I don't hold you responsible, as it was not a protected page and you were not attempting to vandalize, just make additions. That said, in the future, please discuss additions to templates like this one on the talk page to avoid any problems. Please take care and have a good day! =) --Jwguy (talk) 01:27, 27 December 2015 (MST)

I do apologize for any problems caused by my edits, but the only function that was not working was the worshipers section I was trying to add. I had several test deities, like Stolzal, Prince of Flame, that were working fine, Domains included. That said I am still extremely sorry for any inconvenience or problems that occured because of my edits. However, I would request that they be re-added to the template by one of the admins or someone who can get them to function properly, because I would like a worshipers segment and the Demon Prince/Archdevil tags for my deities, and it would be really appreciated if the could be put back. Thank you for your time. --Dark Dragon (talk) 07:43, 27 December 2015 (MST)
You are more than welcome to bring it up on the Template's Talk Page so that more admins and users can get in on that discussion and we can hash things out. If that doesn't work, you're also welcome to create a new template (copying the existing one to it and editing it as you need, or even copying your previous edit to it) and using it specifically for your pages. --Jwguy (talk) 12:50, 28 December 2015 (MST)

Hello, what are you trying to do with Template:3.5e Magic Item? Please can you discuss changes on the talk page first. Marasmusine (talk) 02:43, 18 February 2016 (MST)


Hello, the domains you are posting are not in the SRD, please do not use the SRD namespace. In addition, looking at Demonic Domain, it appears to be the same as the Demonic Domain from the Fiendish Codex / Book of Vile Darkness. I'll be removing IP material as I find it. Marasmusine (talk) 08:01, 14 April 2016 (MDT)

"The System Reference Document (SRD) is a set of reference role playing game mechanics licensed under the Open Game License by Wizards of the Coast (or WotC) and based upon their Dungeons and Dragons role-playing game."
The domains and spells posted are part of the SRD. Even if they are not, they are all still under OGL and I am therefore allowed to post them where I see fit. Or did you think that I did not have the mental capacity to research that before I posting them? The terms of my being allowed to use this site clearly state that I cannot publish any copyrighted material with out permission. Correct me if I am wrong, but does not something under OGL give me permission to "MODIFY, COPY, and REDISTRIBUTE" said material? It amazes me that when it comes to this you delete things almost immediately while giving me a half notice in my talk section, yet when I have done as you asked and discussed things before altering them, I never get a response from any of the admins save Jwguy who only responds occasionally. What you did was both unnecessary and rude. Posting those domains was well within my right, so I am requesting that you un-delete them.
Here's a link to the SRD straight from the WoTC site. Please help me find where the spells and domains you posted are in that document.
I have checked the copyright information for Fiendish Codex, and it does not contain any OGL material.
Removing material under copyright immediately is neccessary. If you can show me evidence that this is incorrect, I will of course restore the pages. Marasmusine (talk)
If they're not OGL, are the PDFs pirated/copyrighted? Ihis whole time I've been assuming that if it had a PDF, it was under the OGL.--Dark Dragon (talk) 11:21, 14 April 2016 (MDT)
WoTC did not release PDFs of those books. I Know there are PDFs circulating, yes they are illegal scans. If you do happen to see them, the Credits page will give you the copyright information. Marasmusine (talk) 13:06, 14 April 2016 (MDT)


Hey there, I have seen a number of submissions by you with a large attribution template containing a do not edit disclaimer, and applying a user attribution category to the page. That kind of thing is not supported by this community, and hasn't been since about 2012. A page's authorship is automatically recorded in its page history, so there is no need to go to the trouble of disrupting a page for an announcement of that, and doing so can directly impair a user's capacity to adhere to GNU Free Documentation License 1.3, section 4B, if they fail to check the history section for total authorship. This community focuses on collaborative works. If you truly would like to prevent others from editing your work, you may move them to subuser pages, where you're free to do pretty much whatever you want as long as it's legal and civil. Otherwise, I would appreciate it if you'd simply remove those templates from pages in the main namespace, and replace them with a request that other users ask before editing on the content's individual talk pages. If you see examples of other users participating in this sort of activity in the future, please contact myself or another administrator. If you have any other questions, you can bring them up here, on my talk page, or check the Help:Portal for generic FAQ and information. --Kydo (talk) 04:02, 22 September 2016 (MDT)

The template has been altered and no longer claims attribution--Dark Dragon (talk) 10:09, 5 October 2016 (MDT)
Thank you. Your changes makes me think the community would benefit from a standardized "Ask First" disclaimer template that anyone could use. Would you agree to such a thing? --Kydo (talk) 11:11, 5 October 2016 (MDT)
I would agree whole heartedly.--Dark Dragon (talk) 13:20, 5 October 2016 (MDT)

Excuse me, but Category:Similar Content looks like a user category by a different name. Marasmusine (talk) 11:06, 18 October 2016 (MDT)

If you want a workaround, and all these pages are connected in some way (thematically perhaps), you could make a sourcebook. Marasmusine (talk) 11:08, 18 October 2016 (MDT)

What's wrong with having it as a category? All it is is a quicker way to find similar content that I made. I don't have the time to make a sourcebook at the moment and I often forget to add each thing I post to my user page, so this is just an easier way to do things. It's not attribution, I'm not claiming ownership, so what is the problem? From what I can tell, I'm following the site rules.--Dark Dragon (talk) 17:03, 18 October 2016 (MDT)
He does appear to be right. The only problem is that User categories start to become a mess if too many people use them, and this one is rather generic. What about switching it over to a semantic property attached to the template and using an in line query to display all such pages in a table? --Kydo (talk) 18:01, 18 October 2016 (MDT)
Ok, just show me how to do it and I'll change the template. --Dark Dragon (talk) 18:05, 18 October 2016 (MDT)
I'll write an introductory primer to using SMW extension markup when I have a good chunk of free time. But first, let's wait for a response from the other admin as to whether that would actually resolve the issue or just create a different one. I can't see why it would be a problem. --Kydo (talk) 19:05, 18 October 2016 (MDT)
Alright. Thank you Kydo.-Dark Dragon (talk) 20:28, 18 October 2016 (MDT)


Your version of Gigaemon (5e Race)'s crunch is overpowered. It doesn't seem to take into account the ramifications of being Large-sized (see Large Races (DnD Guideline)). +4 ASI is above the curve but isn't problematic in and of itself, Fearsome Might is unneeded because that's already something you can do RAW, Ungainly Weight is weird, Gargantuan Proportions and Tailored fit are givens for Large creatures, and Naturally Strong ought to just give Athletics proficiency. They also don't speak Common. Please address these issues within the next couple of days or I will fix them myself. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 12:47, 16 July 2017 (MDT)

Also, they appear to have both the Giant and Fiend types, and not the Humanoid type. This A) should be defined in a racial trait rather than just be put in those categories, and B) gives them immunity to a lot of spells, such as Hold Person, which specifically target humanoids. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 12:51, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
Thank you for your input. I will review and reconsider some of the traits of my page. However, I must ask that you do not edit my page without first bringing it up in the talk page. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dark Dragon (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts!
What was wrong with WeirdoWhoever's version of the race? That one was still strong, but it wasn't wildly out of balance with the SRD races. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 13:45, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
Hello, Dark Dragon. I did some "patchings" on the Gigaemon (5e Race) page, because I saw it on the RecentChanges and it was marked as "proposes deletion". I thought it was too cool to be just gone like that, so I did a quick fix, not realizing that it was, well, your creation. I apologize for somewhat hasty decisions, I thought it was abandoned. I'll leave my comments on the race's talk page, you might want to check it for future revisions. Again, I apologize for the inconvenience, I know how that feels. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
I prefer to balance my races myself. I welcome advise and suggestions, but I find it infuriating when someone else edits my pages without permission. When someone makes a page, they have a certain vision in mind. Unless you know that vision, you won't edit the page in a way that is helpful. I know it's a wiki and everyone has the right to edit any page, but that does not mean you should exercise that right when ever you feel like it, even if you think you're helping, because it might not coincide with what the original author wanted. If I just kept WeirdoWhoever's version of the race, then it would only be my idea in name, because it would be his version that people are using. I post because I want to share my ideas with the D&D community, but if I just accept everyone's edits, they're no longer my ideas and that defeats the purpose of me sharing in the first place. I want to thank WeirdoWhoever for understanding why I changed his edits back. I Did plan to use some of his changes, but I just wanted the core of the page to be as I originally made it. --Dark Dragon (talk) 14:32, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
Your version, as it was when I proposed it for deletion, was broken. Not necessarily "broken" as in overpowered, but "broken" as in, it didn't work. WeirdoWhoever's version conforms to 5e balance and standards (roughly), whereas your version did not.
This is a wiki. You need to be prepared for other people editing the pages you create. At the bottom of every edit box, including the one I am currently typing this message into, there is a message that says "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." If you truly do not want anyone else to edit "your" page, you can move it into your userspace, where other users are not allowed to edit, except for administrators to remove content that breaks sitewide rules. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 14:49, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
You seem to have missed the point. I don't care about someone editing it. I care when the charges are made without talking first. It defeats the purpose of have a talk tab. If the race was not balanced, it's likely because it was incomplete. If you're trying to become an admin then I would think that you would understand that. My only problem was that the changes were not talked about. As I said before, I know everyone on the wiki can edit whatever page they feel like, but that does not mean they should. It's inconsiderate. --Dark Dragon (talk) 15:10, 16 July 2017 (MDT)
You are correct; just because you can doesn't mean you should. In this case, however, I consider WeirdoWhoever to be justified in his actions; the page needed improvement and he tried to improve it. You mentioned you had a vision in mind for the page; and I'm curious how WW's version deviated from that. From my point of view, he reworked the page's crunch to conform to 5e standards while maintaining the feel of the page, but I understand you feel differently. If you could please explain your reasoning it would be much appreciated. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 15:19, 16 July 2017 (MDT)

Locked Page template[edit]

As was earlier discussed, the Locked Page template now supports linking to user pages. If you have any finished and balanced pages that you wish to be locked and the template applied, please list and link them here and I will do my best to protect them :) --GamerAim Chatmod.png (talk) 10:56, 6 October 2017 (MDT)

Assassin Axe (5e Equipment)[edit]

Hi, I removed the light property on the Assassin Axe (5e Equipment) because with that property, the weapon is a direct upgrade to the scimitar. I am undoing your undo; please do not revert again without explaining why you think this direct upgrade is okay. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 23:21, 1 December 2017 (MST)

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