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Variant Guardian, Templates[edit]

Discussion moved to Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned. --Green Dragon 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)

(class) shroud[edit]

Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)


I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.

4e Sizes[edit]

Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),

I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,

--Axl 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)

Note: I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.

--Axl 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)

Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.

--Axl 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)

Little hiccup on a page.[edit]

Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on ( it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.



Some guidance please?[edit]

I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.

very old dnd forum posts—lost[edit]

I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)

Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)

you can email me at if you need too

Thank You =)[edit]

Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.

Uploading Media[edit]

How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Raweno (talkcontribs) 21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC). Please sign your posts.

You upload the file to media, Special:Upload and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --Green Dragon 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)

Okay, thanks. --Raweno

just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?

3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge[edit]

Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --MCage 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)

Kaden is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --Green Dragon 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)
Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --MCage 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)

My User Page[edit]

So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.

So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --Aarnott 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)

See also User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship. What you are doing is solicitation (Wikipedia:Vandalism, external linking).
Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem.
—--Green Dragon 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC), User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship.
Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through DnD Links and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --Green Dragon 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)
Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.
Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also Talk:Meta Pages, Talk:Main Page. If enough problems exist, it is considered.
And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a D&D Wiki tavern. This is understandable. --Green Dragon 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)
Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --Badger 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)
It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on DnD Links and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --Green Dragon 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)
So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on DnD Links it should be removed for solicitation? --Badger 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)
Ya (Wikipedia:Vandalism, external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies (Wikipedia:Vandalism, external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like Aarnott. Do you see where I am coming from? --Green Dragon 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)
Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not officially), he was not banned until after he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. JazzMan 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.
I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk — the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior — policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --Green Dragon 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --Badger 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.
Wikipedia:Civility is superseded by the Warning Policy as applicable.
So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --Green Dragon 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can Wikipedia:Civility be superseded by the Warning Policy if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --Badger 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Because civility is just one policy on Wikipedia.
As a general rule Wikipedia's policies are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.
Wikipedia:Vandalism, external linking has nothing to do with Wikipedia:Civility. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on Talk:Meta Pages.
The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --Green Dragon 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Wikipedia says, very clearly:
Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.
If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --Badger 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)

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The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --Green Dragon 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --Badger 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --Green Dragon 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --Badger 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. JazzMan 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)
Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.
Jazzman831 just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user has been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for after incidents as well. --Green Dragon 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)
No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. JazzMan 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)
Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --Green Dragon 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)
Despotism strikes again! --TK-Squared 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)
Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --Green Dragon 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)
It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --Foxwarrior 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)
I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --Badger 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)
There's DnD Links for that, ya. --Green Dragon 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)

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So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --Badger 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)
Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --Green Dragon 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)

Userpage Top Template and My Content[edit]

This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. Nomnomking 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

See also User:Green Dragon/Top Template. You can make one in your own user space.
I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.
Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to DnD Links. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be External Links[1][2], etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.
Hope this helps. --Green Dragon 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)

Thanks --Nomnomking 15:47, 4 November 2010

Userspace Sandbox[edit]

hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --Fathirian Hound 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)

Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --Green Dragon 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)
Will do, thanks. --Fathirian Hound 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)

4e Race Shadowborn[edit]

Discussion moved to Talk:Shadowborn (4e Race)#Wording. --Green Dragon 15:49, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

Don't have a clue what I'm doing[edit]

I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...

My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.

Where should I submit this and how do I do it?


Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.


I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?

FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time

3.5e Bloodlines has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also Add a New 3.5e Bloodline. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <!-content-type->)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through User Creature Glossary) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --Green Dragon 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)
Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains
alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96
3.5e Bloodlines will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "[O]nly makes sense when it stays together", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --Green Dragon 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)
Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.
Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --Green Dragon 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)
For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:
You sure that is a bloodlines, not a 3.5e Creature Template or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like UA:Dragon, Brass. --Green Dragon 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)
That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time
Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.
Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a vampire? --Green Dragon 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)
I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.
Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":
As bloodlines (e.g. UA:Dragon, Brass) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like vampire) or challenge rating adjustment? --Green Dragon 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)
I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.

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So level adjustment does not affect ones class levels with these? --Green Dragon 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)
I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.
An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a vampire is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --Green Dragon 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)
If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.
I made Vampire, Montalion: Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template), Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template), Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template) (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a sourcebook that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --Green Dragon 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)
Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.
Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the for lack of a better known location.
Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --Green Dragon 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)
Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?
Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.
...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.
Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections."

Don't have a clue what I'm doing[edit]

My retarded computer posted this twice


Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?

It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on 3.5e Equipment. Does this answer your question? --Green Dragon 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)


Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?

Hey... mine did too!


I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--Milo High-Hill 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)

As it is under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.3 section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --Green Dragon 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)
Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--Milo High-Hill 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)

WoW 4E[edit]

Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? Camulus 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)

Just make sure to add Template:Copyright Disclaimer onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---Green Dragon 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)
Blizzard is the sort of company that will issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --Foxwarrior 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)
Copyrights and trademarks for any books, films, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law.
Template:Copyright Disclaimer
--Green Dragon 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)

Blood Knight[edit]

I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. Dude Bob 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)

I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --Green Dragon 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)

Spell seeds[edit]

I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96

I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--Milo High-Hill 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)
O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--FiddleSticks96 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))
SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists may help. --Green Dragon 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)

Alignment: Moral Ambiguity[edit]

I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.

Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:

Good Qualities: He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)

He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves

He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love

He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive

He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)

He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)

Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems

Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)

Evil Qualities: He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"

He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world

He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."

He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands

He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)

While he draws power from light (metaphoric in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".

He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."

Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities: He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.

Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --FiddleSticks96 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)

What do you think about chaotic good? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --Green Dragon 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)
That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? FiddleSticks96 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)

I have a question[edit]

There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.

I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, Missingno 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)

Locking pages?[edit]

I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?

The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on Special:ListGroupRights. Which pages for which groups? Only D&D Wiki:Administrators can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --Green Dragon 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)
Brilliant. The pages are as follows; Gardevoir, Gallade, Zora Mask, Hawk Dragon, Improved Water Elemental Bloodline, Arceus (Deity), Magic Immunity (Trait), Ocarina of Time. --Phoenix of Chaos 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)
I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --Green Dragon 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)


Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)

Posting ideas.[edit]

I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.

Thanks, Daryl.

On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question here. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions here. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "variant rule" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go here.) Hope this helps! --Badger 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)
Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature here. If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. Lyrad8791 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)


There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [Best Electronic Cigarette] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! Lyrad8791 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)

Could someone have a look at my homebrew?[edit]

I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:

- Naïlo's Cyclone

- Naïlo's Match

- Armor Of Flesh

- Return Of The Dead Soul

- Greater Animate Dead

- Naïlo's Repressed Memory

- Naïlo's Repulsion

- Paladin, Variant

Your recent edits[edit]

Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --Badger 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)

Blue Dragon switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --Green Dragon 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)
Thanks. --Badger 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)
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