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Shop locations ?[edit]

Hello every one. I want to ask, since i am in Amsterdam right now I would like to ask if any one knows a site and address of a dnd shop, and also I would like to suggest that we make a list of dnd shops in each country and city ? Jokeboy ( forgot which symbol was used to tag automatically

There's a thread here with answers for that very question, although it is 5 years old now.
I can also tell you that there are no shops that sell D&D products in Doncaster, UK (I have to travel to Patriot Games in Sheffield). Marasmusine (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2014 (MDT)

You obviously haven't looked very well or asked anyone - Stamp Corner on Nether Hall Road definitely *have* sold D&D products, as that's where I got my PHB! Also, Waterstones in Frenchgate Centre can order almost anything. So stop whining and start asking!

Ugh, you're right, I can't believe I forgot, I used to go to Stamp Corner all the time when I was at school. Back when loose lead miniatures cost 20p each. I do go to Patriot Games generally, though, because the stock isn't behind a counter, it's easier to browse. I don't count Waterstones as a "DnD shop", if I'm going to order something, I'll do it from Amazon. Marasmusine (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2014 (MDT)
thanks a lot. though I couldn't access this site to check the page on time, although even if I did I couldn't have gone to the shop. but w/e I guess I will either wait for the next Intertrafic in Amsterdam which is in 2 years, or try to go there for a vacation because I am in love with that city. --Jokeboy (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2014 (MDT)
Also, I still suggest to the users or admins of to make a page where users can add the shop locations for all shops they know of. because I guess that not all things are available online, and if we are abroad and have the time why not check out a store. also could be of help for those that don't know all the shops in their own country. for example Marasmusine knows that there are no shops in Doncaster but there are some in Sheffield, but if there are other shop in nearby cities the users would let you know this way.... or something. ... or if someone know a list already available online that would be great :) --Jokeboy (talk) 14:41, 30 March 2014 (MDT)


I have a LARGE number of Books in mostly PDF format I'd like to contribute to the site,if anyone knows how I can do that,please contact me, please keep in mind the files comprise something in the order of 20-50 GB. Thanks.

What kind of books are there? 3.5e, 4e? Did you make them all yourself, or how are they licensed? --Green Dragon (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2014 (MDT)

Web Page Not Found Error[edit]

I have been trying to get into the 3.5e Complex Special Ability Components page and have tried several times, as lately I have noticed that if a Web Page Not Found Error pops up while perusing dandwiki you can just try to load up the page again and it usually works. However, this trick does not seem to work for this page. I have tried anywhere from 40-60 times just in this day, and have yet to get anything other than Web Page Not Found or, the more recent one, Bad Gateway Error. Though that I would bring this to your attention. --SilentPC (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2014 (CST)

Hi SilentPC, this should be fixed now. Thanks! — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2014 (MDT)
Yep, it's working for me now. Thanks and no problem, been at Dandwiki for a long time now and I love the idea of the site as well as most of the homebrewed material on here. If I can help in any way, I usually try to. --SilentPC (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2014 (CST)
For the record, the website does seem to go down an awful lot, for the last few months. Usually in small bursts. Jwguy (talk) 07:15, 20 August 2014 (MDT)
The server's harddrives are near capacity, and so is its RAM and CPU. I am actively working right now to get Blue Dragon to install the new hardware (including an additional SSD drive which should help with the database access times) which will resolve this problem. --Green Dragon (talk) 06:57, 21 August 2014 (MDT)
Things should be looking up with regard to this problem. Although some of the new hardware was defective and needs to be reinstalled later (additional RAM for the additional CPU), we are still using the previous RAM and the even older RAM that was initially purchased with this server configuration now. In addition the new HDDs and the new SSD should make things faster, so we hope that this problem is better. Near the end of the year all the new harddware will be installed and working, and then things should be in peak performance. Let me know if there are any more problems.
Keep in mind that in these next few days that D&D Wiki will be optimized for this new configuration, so you may see improvements incrementally in the near future from the time of this post onward. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2014 (MDT)
All the upgrades are now complete! Although previously the server was upgraded, I was unaware of the correct RAM for the motherboards specifications since 3x8 GB unbuffered server RAM does not work with it (since the old 3x8 GB buffered RAM they no longer sell– now they just sell it in sticks of 8 GB). Getting the right part took some time, but everything should be working now in full specifications!
As soon as a problem like this comes up again then I will have to work harder at the website hardware configuration. Please let me know if you are experiencing any problems. --Green Dragon (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2015 (MST)

I encountered this problem yesterday. Couldn't access the site at all for like 2 hours. I was in the middle of editing a page too. --Kydo (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2016 (MDT)

3.5e Class Preload[edit]

I've just noticed that the format of our 3.5e class preload is not like the format presented in the PHB. The PHB goes:

  • Lead text
  • Descriptive paragraphs on: Adventurers, Characteristics, Alignment, Religion, Background, Races, Classes, Role
  • Game Rule Information: Abilities, Alignment, Hit Die; Class Skills; Class Features; Level Table
  • Starting Package

Our preload misses some description sections, adds others that are unnecessary (or at least optional), doesn't sufficiently explain what is expected in each section (example, with races, this should describe what some races are like as this class, not just say what races are likely to be this class), splits descriptive text to be both above and below the game mechanics, uses different terms and formatting for the headers, and overall seems to be more work for an editor than is necessary.

If there's no objections, I will make a new preload that will better match the PHB and have clearer instructions (although it's too late to change the existing homebrew classes) Marasmusine (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2014 (MDT)

The class preload actually uses the most up-to-date format for the 3.5e classes, since the format has been changed a lot since the PHB ones. --Green Dragon (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Is it supposed to be like those in PHB 2? Marasmusine (talk) 06:31, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Because people seem to be really struggling to fill out those two or three pages worth of fluff, leaving many many half-finished pages. Wouldn't it be better to get the editor to at least fill out the "core" PHB1 descriptions, then make optional all the PHB2 stuff about NPCs, organizations, etc. Marasmusine (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
From the discussion:
This sample layout is based on the newer format WotC is using their more recent source books. I started with that and made changes from there:
Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Overview
Since 3.5e is no longer published and this format has been used widely, and I am going to say that no we will not change them. This is an unnecessary amount of work, only to bring back the pages to an older format, it is not worthwhile. If people want to use the SRD formats it's okay but not for an FA page though (there are some examples). I do not want to restrict creativity and homebrewing because of a format, thus they do not not need {{wikify}} if they use the SRD format- but the standard will be the preload format and FA's need this format. --Green Dragon (talk) 07:43, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
The thing is, it's not clear which sections are required for an FA article, and which sections are only required for the page not to be a "stub" or "wikify needed". What I'm asking is that the preload say "fill in these descriptions as a minimum" and then "optionally fill in these sections for FA standards". It could be there are classes that are currently tagged as a stub that don't need to be. Marasmusine (talk) 09:59, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
FA's need to have everything, "Featured articles are considered to be the best articles within D&D Wiki". Maybe {{stub}} should apply to classes which are missing Campaign Information entirely. What is fair? I believe that I have been adding it to pages which are missing any Campaign Information, except for NPCs. I have also been adding {{wikify}} to pages which use the PHB format, which I guess that I should no longer do. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
Sorry, I meant "It's not clear to editors looking at the preload which sections are required for FA and which are required for it not to be a stub". We might know that, but new editors who have just pressed "Add new class" don't, and maybe all they want to do is make sure that their class is listed in the table at 3.5e Base Classes rather than the "sin bin" at the bottom. I'd like the preload to be clear on what the minimum standards are. Marasmusine (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2014 (MDT)
We can change 3.5e Class Instructions to let users know the standards.
I have been adding {{stub}} to classes which are missing epic information, a starting package, or an entire sub section thereof; "Playing a", "in the World", "in the Game" but not an NPC.
Is the question if this is too much? I feel that this is adequate, since they are stubs if they are missing so much information. If we can agree that this is adequate, or discuss what is adequate then lets add it to the 3.5e Class Instructions.
{{abandoned}} can also be added, when the class is not at a fully playable stage (incomplete, bad mechanics, no direction)– again if we agree that this is adequate. {{delete}} is also when the class has two of the following problems: it is not at a fully playable stage, has problematic mechanics, no good text, and/or is grossly mis-formatted– again if we agree that this is adequate. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2014 (MDT)

3.5e infoboxes[edit]

If I could make a bold proposal, I think we should scrap the 3.5e class infobox. The ratings system isn't used anywhere else, and it can be unhelpful: if something is rated poorly, but is subsequently improved, the score doesn't take that into account. The averages also need manually recalculating everytime someone leaves their rating on the talk page, which isn't happening. Monitoring it is infeasable now we have hundreds of classes. It's enough that people leave their opinion on the talk page.

What else does the infobox do? 1) It let's us know if the page is in progress or finished. In any other category of page, we use the stub template. 2) It tells people if they're allowed to edit the page. Well hey, it's a wiki. 3) It can link to an image. Except it doesn't work with external images (we could just use something like Template:5e Image instead.) And I'll reiterate: the infobox is only used for 3.5e classes and nothing else, which is inconsistent.

I think the infobox should be stripped down to just information for indexing (i.e. short description) Marasmusine (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2015 (MDT)

This is something I've also been thinking about. Your proposal clearly is against the ratings system too, they're both sentiments I agree with - Though I think some sort of formalized user rate system like thing is good, our current system causes a lot of problems with people failing to do them properly, manual recalculation over jillions of pages as mentioned, and a huge rating bias to people who have the energy to do four paragraphs of explanations. Hence my sort of endorsement template thing I suggested sometime.
Anyway, to the main point of infoboxes, I'm all with shooting them off the map. Are other pages without infoboxes lacking something? I don't think so, but by all means do all the fancy indexing stuff. I guess I should've just said 'I agree'. --SgtLion (talk) 10:22, 8 March 2015 (MDT)
We could use them for the homebrew labels we were discussing a while back. Get rid of the current ratings system, though. --Salasay Δ 10:33, 8 March 2015 (MDT)
I think that everyone can agree that it is better without an antiquated rating system. We need to remove the ratings from all the list pages still. One thing that comes to mind is that maybe people would appreciate a separate improving, reviewing, or removing template that informs people about a general "to-do" list for the certain page that also provides a "status" update for the page in question. Do we have any good ideas of a name for this, or do we know if people will appreciate a template like this? --Green Dragon (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2015 (MDT)


I have made a template for disambiguation pages Template:dab, you can see it in action at places like Elf and Warrior. Some terms that used to take you directly to the 3.5e SRD now go to a dab page, but I'm fine with not having a 3.5e bias, correct links as you find them. If you have any suggestions for layout and so forth, please let me know. Marasmusine (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2015 (MDT)

This was super necessary, though I didn't know it 'til now. Awesomestuff, I'll just go sneak in a pathfinder homebrew section when that consists of more than like 2 things. --SgtLion (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2015 (MDT)
That is really great! I was dreading trying to deal with disambiguation pages. --Green Dragon (talk) 02:00, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Image policy[edit]

I am proposing a formal policy on image usage.

  • Unless otherwise noted, uploaded images use Wikipedia's image use policy:
  • Of particular note, the page for an uploaded image must describe the image's license, source and author; and fair-use rationale in the case of book/publication covers etc.
  • If a page uses an external link to display an image, it must be accompanied with the author's name and a link to the source. The source itself must be hosting the image respecting copyright. That is, if the image is under copyright, it must be the copyright holder's own webpage (e.g. deviantArt) or be displayed under a fair use rationale (e.g. other wikis).
  • Externally linked images should not be wider than 360 px - we must give consideration to readers using smaller screens (e.g. tablets and old laptops).
Thank god. --Salasay Δ 21:28, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
  • When more than one image is used, adequate spacing must be given between the images, or reading the page becomes a scroll-fest. I propose that no more than two images be used: one in the lead, and one at the next major section (e.g. campaign information in 3.5e classes; archetypes in 5e classes). Marasmusine (talk) 02:09, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
Perhaps one image per 1-2 average "screen heights." Some articles sort-of need more than two images. Having a decently defined ratio would make the policy more... terms. There is a term here. Anyway, somekind of ratio is better than a blanket number (eg what if the constitution of the USA had said that amendments required 9 states to vote instead of 3/4ths majority? Sorry, I'm taking civics.)--Salasay Δ 21:30, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
Agreed. There are exceptions like really long campaign supplements where more than two images could be of use. Otherwise, I'm all for this formal wazzo policy. --SgtLion (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2015 (MDT)
Number three on Featured Articles states that "It has images and other media where they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. The images should be relevant and high quality thumbnails sized 300px, 600px, or 750px for very short horizontal images." If we adopt any policy then I think that this one is the best one to use. It is partially derived from Wikipedia, and made to fit best onto D&D Wiki. Are there any problems with these sizes? Is there is a reason why we cannot just use this formatting and treatment as a site-wide policy? --Green Dragon (talk) 01:53, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
The problem is that editors largely like to use external images where we can't control the size. Uploaded images are preferable of course as thumbnails, and the size of thumbnails can be set in a user's settings. Marasmusine (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
This is why I deliberately did not cover that part of the discussion. Does anyone have a good workaround for a policy using external images? --Green Dragon (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
Sorry, I misread slightly, the day was full of background distractions. Those image sizes are okay (if the 600px refers to horizontal images). I don't mind going up to about 360px for portrait/square images. My push for policy (rather than just a style guide) is to settle some pages I've seen that have spammed large images, and to enforce attribution.
deviantArt produces its own thumbnails that can be linked to. Some (but not all) Flickr pictures provide a link to a reduced image. The only other solution is to contact the copyright holder and ask if we can upload it (which is feasible with individual artists, and extremely unlikely for artwork from games) Marasmusine (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
One question about all this: While I can appreciate the desire for exceptional resolution, why stress over uploaded image size or external image size when we can manipulate the size of the images on the pages they are displayed on, themselves? I do that all the time. It just takes a "300px" parameter, after all.
Secondly, I don't know that I am really comfortable with a hard-line policy on this matter. As a species, we've proven that we don't do well with foresight, and I think there is a host of potential rule quagmires that can occur because of this. What if someone wants a especially big image specifically for their main Campaign setting page? What if they want to stylize a page a particular way that requires a bigger image? What if we need a bigger image for a particular project somewhere down the line? What if people just prefer bigger images because DPI and resolution, and therefore quality, scale down but not up? Do we start making exceptions or do we just make our users chafe under iron-clad rules that can't be challenged? And if we are making exceptions for so many scenarios, why have the rule? Jwguy (talk) 08:48, 1 December 2015 (MST)
I feel that the size restrictions are good for Featured Article pages, but that we should not place a requirement on all pages for image sizes. This is for a number of reasons. One is that externally linked images cannot always be scaled and sized in D&D Wiki. Another reason is exactly what you mention above, that images are used for various purposes and making it so all pages need certain foresight is not always the best option.
In my opinion the authors and sources of the images is the best consideration of this policy requirement. Making it so things are better sourced and licensed is only going to make the quality of pages improve. I think that someone needs to go ahead and make this policy as a policy on Meta Pages#Policies so that we can see it written and dicsuss it further. --Green Dragon (talk) 09:16, 1 December 2015 (MST)
If I come across an inline image that fills most of the page and squishes the text into a thin column, then I'm removing that image. People can view the site on relatively low resolution screens (myself included sometimes I use an Asus netbook), and the images do not dynamically change size. The policy is just to forewarn people that I might do this. Marasmusine (talk) 11:28, 12 December 2015 (MST)
Regarding the edge cases Jwguy brings up, there's a Wikipedia policy that goes hand-in-hand with their image policy, [Ignore_all_rules]. Marasmusine (talk) 11:35, 12 December 2015 (MST)
Late reply, but I'd caution against that - it isn't right for any of us to rashly apply strict and forceful measures that impact our users based on whim and personal regard; I realize that you're filtering that into a 'but what about others like me' argument, but that's why we were having this discussion. Declaring your intent to do it anyways isn't the way to go about this, in my opinion.
As for the Ignore All Rules reference, that policy is contested to death because it is literally a paradox and because its simple message is interpreted in more ways than Nostradamus' predictions by both new editors and experienced ones, alike. In no case, however, has Ignore All Rules ever overruled consensus, or discussions attempting to reach consensus, or made the need for clarifying or updating rules any less so. --Jwguy (talk) 12:47, 28 December 2015 (MST)

Recent 5E Additions and Namespace violations[edit]

Anyone else notice a particularly large quantity of recent 5E Homebrew not conforming to our namespace standards? Is our form messed up or are the users just ignoring it, I wonder. --Jwguy (talk) 14:01, 2 December 2015 (MST)

I find that its a rarity for new users to use page identifiers, regardless of the edition. I should add clearer instructions next to the 5e "create new" links though. Marasmusine (talk) 11:17, 12 December 2015 (MST)
Is it possible to make the button just tack on " (5e Variant Whatever)" to the end of whatever the author puts in the box? The main problem is that new users see the base text there, go "Oh, that's a placeholder." and delete the entire line. Most users won't read beyond the submit button, because, in their mind, they've already figured it out. (Even though they're wrong.) I know this, because that's exactly what I did when I first arrived here. Fixing that single stumbling block would make this site, (Or at least the 5e section of it, I haven't browsed the other parts much) significantly more intuitive. --Kydo (talk) 10:33, 16 July 2016 (MDT)

How to get to a Saved file.[edit]

I had this base class file for 3.5e and I had saved it several times, but when I went on today, I couldn't find anywhere, including the Recent Changes pages. I want to figure out how to find it.--Meowmere14 (talk) 07:13, 12 December 2015 (MST)

Are you sure you were hitting Save Page and not Show Preview? There's nothing in your list of edits. Marasmusine (talk) 11:13, 12 December 2015 (MST)
I'm pretty sure I was hitting Save and not Preveiw, but thanks anyway.--Meowmere14 (talk) 15:11, 15 December 2015 (MST)
What is the name of the class? Perhaps we can find it. --Jwguy (talk) 08:33, 16 December 2015 (MST)


How exactly does one add a weapon or piece of armor to a specific category? For example, to Two-Handed Ranged Weapons or to Light Armor?

Hello, what edition is this for? Marasmusine (talk) 05:58, 28 December 2015 (MST)

Balancing Strategy[edit]

Why is this wiki's content so unbalanced and broken? Why? ErrorIam (talk) 05:58, 23 January 2016 (EST)

The items here are, as the sidebar indicates, user-generated and homebrew. Some may be based on a balancing play style that you are not familiar with, while others may simply be undone or not complete.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   17:25, 24 January 2016 (MST)
Please take improving, reviewing, or removing templates into consideration in your campaigns, and if you run across a page with broken and unbalanced content please mark it as such with these templates. Thanks! --Green Dragon (talk) 23:42, 24 January 2016 (MST)

Monk Fighting Styles[edit]

I recently created a Monk Fighting style for the page in 3.5e ( but it did not show up on this page. Could someone tell me how to get it to show up here? I figured that, since I clicked on the "Add your own fighting style" link on the same page, it would just show up there on its own, but I am not very familiar with editing wiki pages, and it did not.

What's the name of your page? There's nothing in your edit history. Marasmusine (talk) 12:44, 6 July 2016 (MDT)
It's right here:
It was missing some categories, you should see it listed now. Marasmusine (talk) 15:37, 6 July 2016 (MDT)

5e OGL[edit]

So, I'd like to start helping out with adding the 5e SRD, as that's kind of the big name item on the 5e to-do list right now, but I can't seem to find an easy way to access the work that's already been done. Instead, I have to search for it and choose it out of a list of results. Is there going to be a link for 5e OGL/SRD added to the sidebar at some point? Or will that only be done after the work is completed? --Kydo (talk) 10:56, 16 July 2016 (MDT)

Images again.[edit]

Please can we add a message to Special:Upload asking people not to upload images under copyright (without the holder's permission), and to provide correct attribution if uploading an image under a copyleft license? Marasmusine (talk) 16:34, 23 August 2016 (MDT)

Please tell me Im not an offender... --Kydo (talk) 17:17, 23 August 2016 (MDT)
I don't think so.... Marasmusine (talk) 01:50, 24 August 2016 (MDT)
OK good. I was pretty sure all those pictures of dice were fair game, but I couldn't find anything for the barrel dice one. The website it came from was just... blank. But somehow Google found it! --Kydo (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2016 (MDT)

So, This Happened...[edit]

Also see Discussion:Homebrew 'n SRD Differentiation and other issues‎. --SgtLion (talk) 05:40, 25 August 2016 (MDT)

Sgt.lion has taken some initiative and posted this. Not sure if that's OK or whatnot, but I think it's pretty important. That topic is near the top of the subreddit page. It's huge. We are well known and we have a reputation- a bad one. Reading through almost a hundred user messages, here is what needs to be done:

  1. Separate SRD/OGL and Homebrew into separate namespaces. Simply put, yes, people are too stupid to read the top-left corner of the site. Newbies do not know what SRD or homebrew mean, and typically assume a wiki bearing the game's name belongs to the developers.
  2. Update the look. People think this site looks old and dreary. Most people think SRD and Homebrew content should have a completely different theme. Specifically, the top of the page should declare, bright and bold, before the title of the page, whether it is official or not.
  3. Add a review system which does not require editing the page. This probably only pops up so much because these are redditors, and they like the reddit system of gold floating to the top.
  4. We need to expand the community. If we want our quality standards and tools to mean anything, there needs to be enough users using them for it to be apparent.
  5. Update the search function to optionally preclude homebrew or SRD, depending on what you're looking for.
  6. Pages should have a "last edited" date displayed at the top.

Also, no, nobody wants to help us do it. XD --Kydo (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2016 (MDT)

Also, someone mentioned that there used to be a much larger community here, but most of them left after a big argument of some sort. I've never heard or seen anything of this. Is it a load, or did something awful actually happen? If it did, juicy details please. :) --Kydo (talk) 03:33, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
Yeah, perhaps this is a better place to discuss it, thanks for writin' about it. I think you've summarised the main points well. I'd like to emphasize the quality that a proper rating system could bring.
Oh, the argument thing is true. The arguments are throughout Main Page and User talk archives. The main argument was originally over licensing and quality control, a lot of users said authors should have complete control over their articles (including the ability to delete them), and others disagreed because content is released under GNU FDL. I think there were other disagreements over quality control and the like. The users went off and formed (or some similar one, I forget).
It's all a mish-mash at the moment, but I think most things brought up there are good points we should tackle over time. --SgtLion (talk) 03:43, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
Also, since there's apparently concern here, apologies for making a big-ass thing. As I said elsewhere: I didn't say anything because I was honestly was expecting this thread to reach like 10 votes and then get deleted for off-topic. I'm hella surprised by the big response, but that doesn't make the feedback any less valid. Sorry for not anticipating this <3 --SgtLion (talk) 06:41, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
I am only for a review score system that resets itself when the page is edited. The manual review system we had for 3.5e didn't work, in my opinion, because you rate a page 2/5 for flavor (for example) and that remained in the average score forever, no matter how well the page is improved. Marasmusine (talk) 03:51, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
I am of the opinion that no review system will ever work unless we can build up a strong, thriving, active community. Inspectors make quality. We have, like, 20 inspectors- and we're all producers too. Until we have lots of eyes, like the Dwarf Fortress wiki, a rating system will fail for all the same reasons that our current reviewing templates fail. The greatest tools in the world are useless without hands to use them. Really, that is the crux of the problem. We can not have a strong community until we make clear, loud, bold, obvious, outrageously unmistakable distinction between SRD and homebrew. Most of the people in that topic just hate homebrew in general, or hate the idea of collaborative homebrew projects. We can't do anything for those assholes. But we can do something for DMs who regularly have to field newbies who think our content is official. I think that making that distinction very strong and clear, on its own, will grow the community significantly. --Kydo (talk) 04:27, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
Oh, one more thing they brought up repeatedly: they all want curation. I think most of those people think of homebrew as being inextricably tied to its author, not a collaborative creation, so they think a wiki is an inappropriate medium, and the only way for it to work is to impose strict membership rules and restricted editing authorities to enforce that kind of segregation. However, even people who like the idea of collaborative homebrew seem to want some sort of official review process. Perhaps we should consider, once there are many more active users, actually creating a dedicated review team and some way of creating a curated "gallery" of works that have been accepted for quality in the state they were at the time of review. Perhaps that's what the magazine could become? --Kydo (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
There are plenty of solutions to consider when we have a bigger strong, core userbase. Things we should be looking at now are what we can achieve now. I do like the magazine, we should publicize that more, if we don't already. --SgtLion (talk) 05:37, 25 August 2016 (MDT)
Well people keep calling for quality review and curation. That's exactly what the zine is. Maybe it should have a more prominent home on the site, rather than basically being a ghost, hidden in talk page links, back-passages and watch page announcements. We should try and use that to draw positive attention to the community. The opportunity to get your work noticed enough to be published, and the opportunity to play an active role in producing a product with a large audience could do wonders for us. Not only that, but it shows what this community is good at: excellent homebrew content through collaboration. Pages that have been included in the zine should have a template/category on them, like a banner or something, announcing which issue they appeared in and the date of. That way, even if people have edited the page since, a user could open the history and see what it looked like back then, or just go download the issue in question. This could also potentially allow people to search for only zine-published content by searching for a section of regular text from the banner. --Kydo (talk) 06:15, 25 August 2016 (MDT)


I think the discussions page should be linked from the front page. The current means of accessing it feels kind of backwards and counterintuitive- like it's buried in the website. Making it more prominent would make it more useful to new users, the people who would likely need it most, and more convenient for regular users to access. --Kydo (talk) 03:45, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

Discussions are not the main scope of D&D Wiki. Personally, I don't feel its necessary since its content does not match any of the main edition's foci. A link to the D&D Wiki Magazine, though, I think is much more appropriate. Maybe if discussions was split into section that are 1) answered, 2) hot topic, 3) new or something then we could link to it from here. Right now its not used by lots of people since I think that people give up trying to understand it. --Green Dragon (talk) 06:42, 27 August 2016 (MDT)
I agree on all above points. It's not exactly the most intuitive of interfaces, that's for sure, and newbies can really screw up the legibility of a conversation. --Kydo (talk) 06:53, 27 August 2016 (MDT)
I would actually like to include good discussions in the magazine (just like the "forum" in Dragon magazine back in the day) Marasmusine (talk) 10:31, 27 August 2016 (MDT)

dandwiki on FB[edit]

Apparently the wiki has an FB page located here. FB pages kind of only work if you tell people about them. A lot. Perhaps we should add it somewhere on the front page? --Kydo (talk) 16:10, 9 September 2016 (MDT)

Wuh, how long as that been there? Who's been posting on it?! :) Marasmusine (talk) 01:02, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
It has been around for ages, since before I became an admin. I've mentioned as such in several places, here and there, including my RfA. I've been the sole administrator for it ever since I was suddenly added to it and made an administrator by Hooper, unbeknownst to me (I found out when I logged in several days afterwards). In any case, I added Kydo and SgtLion to editor slots so they can post there, per the recent discussion (although Kydo keeps liking his own posts for some reason ;P).
So, I've told people; I suppose it just never really caught on, nor was it ever really my project either. In any case, a badge would be fine if that's something you guys would like. --Jwguy (talk) 03:13, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
I've been liking and sharing my posts so that all of my FB contacts will see it. I have many gamer friends. They haven't bit the hook yet, but they will eventually. FB marketing relies on the "sociopath with a cold" method of word-of-mouth marketing. It isn't enough to just post something, you have to spread it around. A lot. My objective is to just keep the page noisy. I'll check at some point every day, and if nobody else does anything for ~20hrs, I'll post one of the 287 relevant things I found on the internet yesterday. I'm trying to make sure every post I make is on-topic with the homebrew focus of this community, both so people know what we're about, and to Differentiate out page from groups like D&DM Memes, I Love Dungeons & Dragons, Dungeons & Dragons, and Dungeons & Dragons Memes. We would fit somewhere in the middle of all of those: practical and useful, but unofficial and fun. --Kydo (talk) 05:23, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
Also, and I'm hoping nobody would assume I'd do otherwise, but I have explicitly decided to never use our FB page to advertise my personal blog or youtube channel. Nor do I plan to use it to advertise my own contributions to the site. That would be irresponsible and selfish of me. (Now, shamelessly plugging my own work everywhere elsewise? Not above that!) Oh look we got three likes in just 2 days! --Kydo (talk) 05:34, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
It's existed at least since 2011, that's the earliest image in the gallery. --Kydo (talk) 06:56, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
That is neat that someone took the initiative to get that FB page working. I don't think a Main Page link is quite appropriate, but what if someone adds it to MediaWiki:Sidebar.css at the end of the "miscellaneous" box as "like D&D Wiki on FaceBook!", so long as it is kept active? --Green Dragon (talk) 16:31, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
Wait, what? We can edit that? I thought that was part of Blue Dragon's lair! --Kydo (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2016 (MDT)
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