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Shop locations ?[edit]

Hello every one. I want to ask, since i am in Amsterdam right now I would like to ask if any one knows a site and address of a dnd shop, and also I would like to suggest that we make a list of dnd shops in each country and city ? Jokeboy ( forgot which symbol was used to tag automatically

There's a thread here with answers for that very question, although it is 5 years old now.
I can also tell you that there are no shops that sell D&D products in Doncaster, UK (I have to travel to Patriot Games in Sheffield). Marasmusine (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2014 (MDT)

You obviously haven't looked very well or asked anyone - Stamp Corner on Nether Hall Road definitely *have* sold D&D products, as that's where I got my PHB! Also, Waterstones in Frenchgate Centre can order almost anything. So stop whining and start asking!

Ugh, you're right, I can't believe I forgot, I used to go to Stamp Corner all the time when I was at school. Back when loose lead miniatures cost 20p each. I do go to Patriot Games generally, though, because the stock isn't behind a counter, it's easier to browse. I don't count Waterstones as a "DnD shop", if I'm going to order something, I'll do it from Amazon. Marasmusine (talk) 00:13, 9 August 2014 (MDT)
thanks a lot. though I couldn't access this site to check the page on time, although even if I did I couldn't have gone to the shop. but w/e I guess I will either wait for the next Intertrafic in Amsterdam which is in 2 years, or try to go there for a vacation because I am in love with that city. --Jokeboy (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2014 (MDT)
Also, I still suggest to the users or admins of to make a page where users can add the shop locations for all shops they know of. because I guess that not all things are available online, and if we are abroad and have the time why not check out a store. also could be of help for those that don't know all the shops in their own country. for example Marasmusine knows that there are no shops in Doncaster but there are some in Sheffield, but if there are other shop in nearby cities the users would let you know this way.... or something. ... or if someone know a list already available online that would be great :) --Jokeboy (talk) 14:41, 30 March 2014 (MDT)


I have a LARGE number of Books in mostly PDF format I'd like to contribute to the site,if anyone knows how I can do that,please contact me, please keep in mind the files comprise something in the order of 20-50 GB. Thanks.

What kind of books are there? 3.5e, 4e? Did you make them all yourself, or how are they licensed? --Green Dragon (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2014 (MDT)

Web Page Not Found Error[edit]

I have been trying to get into the 3.5e Complex Special Ability Components page and have tried several times, as lately I have noticed that if a Web Page Not Found Error pops up while perusing dandwiki you can just try to load up the page again and it usually works. However, this trick does not seem to work for this page. I have tried anywhere from 40-60 times just in this day, and have yet to get anything other than Web Page Not Found or, the more recent one, Bad Gateway Error. Though that I would bring this to your attention. --SilentPC (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2014 (CST)

Hi SilentPC, this should be fixed now. Thanks! — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2014 (MDT)
Yep, it's working for me now. Thanks and no problem, been at Dandwiki for a long time now and I love the idea of the site as well as most of the homebrewed material on here. If I can help in any way, I usually try to. --SilentPC (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2014 (CST)
For the record, the website does seem to go down an awful lot, for the last few months. Usually in small bursts. Jwguy (talk) 07:15, 20 August 2014 (MDT)
The server's harddrives are near capacity, and so is its RAM and CPU. I am actively working right now to get Blue Dragon to install the new hardware (including an additional SSD drive which should help with the database access times) which will resolve this problem. --Green Dragon (talk) 06:57, 21 August 2014 (MDT)
Things should be looking up with regard to this problem. Although some of the new hardware was defective and needs to be reinstalled later (additional RAM for the additional CPU), we are still using the previous RAM and the even older RAM that was initially purchased with this server configuration now. In addition the new HDDs and the new SSD should make things faster, so we hope that this problem is better. Near the end of the year all the new harddware will be installed and working, and then things should be in peak performance. Let me know if there are any more problems.
Keep in mind that in these next few days that D&D Wiki will be optimized for this new configuration, so you may see improvements incrementally in the near future from the time of this post onward. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2014 (MDT)
All the upgrades are now complete! Although previously the server was upgraded, I was unaware of the correct RAM for the motherboards specifications since 3x8 GB unbuffered server RAM does not work with it (since the old 3x8 GB buffered RAM they no longer sell– now they just sell it in sticks of 8 GB). Getting the right part took some time, but everything should be working now in full specifications!
As soon as a problem like this comes up again then I will have to work harder at the website hardware configuration. Please let me know if you are experiencing any problems. --Green Dragon (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2015 (MST)

3.5e Class Preload[edit]

I've just noticed that the format of our 3.5e class preload is not like the format presented in the PHB. The PHB goes:

  • Lead text
  • Descriptive paragraphs on: Adventurers, Characteristics, Alignment, Religion, Background, Races, Classes, Role
  • Game Rule Information: Abilities, Alignment, Hit Die; Class Skills; Class Features; Level Table
  • Starting Package

Our preload misses some description sections, adds others that are unnecessary (or at least optional), doesn't sufficiently explain what is expected in each section (example, with races, this should describe what some races are like as this class, not just say what races are likely to be this class), splits descriptive text to be both above and below the game mechanics, uses different terms and formatting for the headers, and overall seems to be more work for an editor than is necessary.

If there's no objections, I will make a new preload that will better match the PHB and have clearer instructions (although it's too late to change the existing homebrew classes) Marasmusine (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2014 (MDT)

The class preload actually uses the most up-to-date format for the 3.5e classes, since the format has been changed a lot since the PHB ones. --Green Dragon (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Is it supposed to be like those in PHB 2? Marasmusine (talk) 06:31, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Because people seem to be really struggling to fill out those two or three pages worth of fluff, leaving many many half-finished pages. Wouldn't it be better to get the editor to at least fill out the "core" PHB1 descriptions, then make optional all the PHB2 stuff about NPCs, organizations, etc. Marasmusine (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
From the discussion:
This sample layout is based on the newer format WotC is using their more recent source books. I started with that and made changes from there:
Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Overview
Since 3.5e is no longer published and this format has been used widely, and I am going to say that no we will not change them. This is an unnecessary amount of work, only to bring back the pages to an older format, it is not worthwhile. If people want to use the SRD formats it's okay but not for an FA page though (there are some examples). I do not want to restrict creativity and homebrewing because of a format, thus they do not not need {{wikify}} if they use the SRD format- but the standard will be the preload format and FA's need this format. --Green Dragon (talk) 07:43, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
The thing is, it's not clear which sections are required for an FA article, and which sections are only required for the page not to be a "stub" or "wikify needed". What I'm asking is that the preload say "fill in these descriptions as a minimum" and then "optionally fill in these sections for FA standards". It could be there are classes that are currently tagged as a stub that don't need to be. Marasmusine (talk) 09:59, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
FA's need to have everything, "Featured articles are considered to be the best articles within D&D Wiki". Maybe {{stub}} should apply to classes which are missing Campaign Information entirely. What is fair? I believe that I have been adding it to pages which are missing any Campaign Information, except for NPCs. I have also been adding {{wikify}} to pages which use the PHB format, which I guess that I should no longer do. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
Sorry, I meant "It's not clear to editors looking at the preload which sections are required for FA and which are required for it not to be a stub". We might know that, but new editors who have just pressed "Add new class" don't, and maybe all they want to do is make sure that their class is listed in the table at 3.5e Base Classes rather than the "sin bin" at the bottom. I'd like the preload to be clear on what the minimum standards are. Marasmusine (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2014 (MDT)
We can change 3.5e Class Instructions to let users know the standards.
I have been adding {{stub}} to classes which are missing epic information, a starting package, or an entire sub section thereof; "Playing a", "in the World", "in the Game" but not an NPC.
Is the question if this is too much? I feel that this is adequate, since they are stubs if they are missing so much information. If we can agree that this is adequate, or discuss what is adequate then lets add it to the 3.5e Class Instructions.
{{abandoned}} can also be added, when the class is not at a fully playable stage (incomplete, bad mechanics, no direction)– again if we agree that this is adequate. {{delete}} is also when the class has two of the following problems: it is not at a fully playable stage, has problematic mechanics, no good text, and/or is grossly mis-formatted– again if we agree that this is adequate. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2014 (MDT)

3.5e infoboxes[edit]

If I could make a bold proposal, I think we should scrap the 3.5e class infobox. The ratings system isn't used anywhere else, and it can be unhelpful: if something is rated poorly, but is subsequently improved, the score doesn't take that into account. The averages also need manually recalculating everytime someone leaves their rating on the talk page, which isn't happening. Monitoring it is infeasable now we have hundreds of classes. It's enough that people leave their opinion on the talk page.

What else does the infobox do? 1) It let's us know if the page is in progress or finished. In any other category of page, we use the stub template. 2) It tells people if they're allowed to edit the page. Well hey, it's a wiki. 3) It can link to an image. Except it doesn't work with external images (we could just use something like Template:5e Image instead.) And I'll reiterate: the infobox is only used for 3.5e classes and nothing else, which is inconsistent.

I think the infobox should be stripped down to just information for indexing (i.e. short description) Marasmusine (talk) 09:57, 8 March 2015 (MDT)

This is something I've also been thinking about. Your proposal clearly is against the ratings system too, they're both sentiments I agree with - Though I think some sort of formalized user rate system like thing is good, our current system causes a lot of problems with people failing to do them properly, manual recalculation over jillions of pages as mentioned, and a huge rating bias to people who have the energy to do four paragraphs of explanations. Hence my sort of endorsement template thing I suggested sometime.
Anyway, to the main point of infoboxes, I'm all with shooting them off the map. Are other pages without infoboxes lacking something? I don't think so, but by all means do all the fancy indexing stuff. I guess I should've just said 'I agree'. --SgtLion (talk) 10:22, 8 March 2015 (MDT)
We could use them for the homebrew labels we were discussing a while back. Get rid of the current ratings system, though. --Salasay Δ 10:33, 8 March 2015 (MDT)
I think that everyone can agree that it is better without an antiquated rating system. We need to remove the ratings from all the list pages still. One thing that comes to mind is that maybe people would appreciate a separate improving, reviewing, or removing template that informs people about a general "to-do" list for the certain page that also provides a "status" update for the page in question. Do we have any good ideas of a name for this, or do we know if people will appreciate a template like this? --Green Dragon (talk) 02:16, 17 September 2015 (MDT)


I have made a template for disambiguation pages Template:dab, you can see it in action at places like Elf and Warrior. Some terms that used to take you directly to the 3.5e SRD now go to a dab page, but I'm fine with not having a 3.5e bias, correct links as you find them. If you have any suggestions for layout and so forth, please let me know. Marasmusine (talk) 05:34, 13 September 2015 (MDT)

This was super necessary, though I didn't know it 'til now. Awesomestuff, I'll just go sneak in a pathfinder homebrew section when that consists of more than like 2 things. --SgtLion (talk) 03:19, 14 September 2015 (MDT)
That is really great! I was dreading trying to deal with disambiguation pages. --Green Dragon (talk) 02:00, 17 September 2015 (MDT)

Image policy[edit]

I am proposing a formal policy on image usage.

  • Unless otherwise noted, uploaded images use Wikipedia's image use policy:
  • Of particular note, the page for an uploaded image must describe the image's license, source and author; and fair-use rationale in the case of book/publication covers etc.
  • If a page uses an external link to display an image, it must be accompanied with the author's name and a link to the source. The source itself must be hosting the image respecting copyright. That is, if the image is under copyright, it must be the copyright holder's own webpage (e.g. deviantArt) or be displayed under a fair use rationale (e.g. other wikis).
  • Externally linked images should not be wider than 360 px - we must give consideration to readers using smaller screens (e.g. tablets and old laptops).
Thank god. --Salasay Δ 21:28, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
  • When more than one image is used, adequate spacing must be given between the images, or reading the page becomes a scroll-fest. I propose that no more than two images be used: one in the lead, and one at the next major section (e.g. campaign information in 3.5e classes; archetypes in 5e classes). Marasmusine (talk) 02:09, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
Perhaps one image per 1-2 average "screen heights." Some articles sort-of need more than two images. Having a decently defined ratio would make the policy more... terms. There is a term here. Anyway, somekind of ratio is better than a blanket number (eg what if the constitution of the USA had said that amendments required 9 states to vote instead of 3/4ths majority? Sorry, I'm taking civics.)--Salasay Δ 21:30, 15 September 2015 (MDT)
Agreed. There are exceptions like really long campaign supplements where more than two images could be of use. Otherwise, I'm all for this formal wazzo policy. --SgtLion (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2015 (MDT)
Number three on Featured Articles states that "It has images and other media where they are appropriate to the subject, with succinct captions and acceptable copyright status. The images should be relevant and high quality thumbnails sized 300px, 600px, or 750px for very short horizontal images." If we adopt any policy then I think that this one is the best one to use. It is partially derived from Wikipedia, and made to fit best onto D&D Wiki. Are there any problems with these sizes? Is there is a reason why we cannot just use this formatting and treatment as a site-wide policy? --Green Dragon (talk) 01:53, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
The problem is that editors largely like to use external images where we can't control the size. Uploaded images are preferable of course as thumbnails, and the size of thumbnails can be set in a user's settings. Marasmusine (talk) 11:51, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
This is why I deliberately did not cover that part of the discussion. Does anyone have a good workaround for a policy using external images? --Green Dragon (talk) 15:01, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
Sorry, I misread slightly, the day was full of background distractions. Those image sizes are okay (if the 600px refers to horizontal images). I don't mind going up to about 360px for portrait/square images. My push for policy (rather than just a style guide) is to settle some pages I've seen that have spammed large images, and to enforce attribution.
deviantArt produces its own thumbnails that can be linked to. Some (but not all) Flickr pictures provide a link to a reduced image. The only other solution is to contact the copyright holder and ask if we can upload it (which is feasible with individual artists, and extremely unlikely for artwork from games) Marasmusine (talk) 16:27, 17 September 2015 (MDT)
One question about all this: While I can appreciate the desire for exceptional resolution, why stress over uploaded image size or external image size when we can manipulate the size of the images on the pages they are displayed on, themselves? I do that all the time. It just takes a "300px" parameter, after all.
Secondly, I don't know that I am really comfortable with a hard-line policy on this matter. As a species, we've proven that we don't do well with foresight, and I think there is a host of potential rule quagmires that can occur because of this. What if someone wants a especially big image specifically for their main Campaign setting page? What if they want to stylize a page a particular way that requires a bigger image? What if we need a bigger image for a particular project somewhere down the line? What if people just prefer bigger images because DPI and resolution, and therefore quality, scale down but not up? Do we start making exceptions or do we just make our users chafe under iron-clad rules that can't be challenged? And if we are making exceptions for so many scenarios, why have the rule? Jwguy (talk) 08:48, 1 December 2015 (MST)
I feel that the size restrictions are good for Featured Article pages, but that we should not place a requirement on all pages for image sizes. This is for a number of reasons. One is that externally linked images cannot always be scaled and sized in D&D Wiki. Another reason is exactly what you mention above, that images are used for various purposes and making it so all pages need certain foresight is not always the best option.
In my opinion the authors and sources of the images is the best consideration of this policy requirement. Making it so things are better sourced and licensed is only going to make the quality of pages improve. I think that someone needs to go ahead and make this policy as a policy on Meta Pages#Policies so that we can see it written and dicsuss it further. --Green Dragon (talk) 09:16, 1 December 2015 (MST)
If I come across an inline image that fills most of the page and squishes the text into a thin column, then I'm removing that image. People can view the site on relatively low resolution screens (myself included sometimes I use an Asus netbook), and the images do not dynamically change size. The policy is just to forewarn people that I might do this. Marasmusine (talk) 11:28, 12 December 2015 (MST)
Regarding the edge cases Jwguy brings up, there's a Wikipedia policy that goes hand-in-hand with their image policy, [Ignore_all_rules]. Marasmusine (talk) 11:35, 12 December 2015 (MST)
Late reply, but I'd caution against that - it isn't right for any of us to rashly apply strict and forceful measures that impact our users based on whim and personal regard; I realize that you're filtering that into a 'but what about others like me' argument, but that's why we were having this discussion. Declaring your intent to do it anyways isn't the way to go about this, in my opinion.
As for the Ignore All Rules reference, that policy is contested to death because it is literally a paradox and because its simple message is interpreted in more ways than Nostradamus' predictions by both new editors and experienced ones, alike. In no case, however, has Ignore All Rules ever overruled consensus, or discussions attempting to reach consensus, or made the need for clarifying or updating rules any less so. --Jwguy (talk) 12:47, 28 December 2015 (MST)

Recent 5E Additions and Namespace violations[edit]

Anyone else notice a particularly large quantity of recent 5E Homebrew not conforming to our namespace standards? Is our form messed up or are the users just ignoring it, I wonder. --Jwguy (talk) 14:01, 2 December 2015 (MST)

I find that its a rarity for new users to use page identifiers, regardless of the edition. I should add clearer instructions next to the 5e "create new" links though. Marasmusine (talk) 11:17, 12 December 2015 (MST)

How to get to a Saved file.[edit]

I had this base class file for 3.5e and I had saved it several times, but when I went on today, I couldn't find anywhere, including the Recent Changes pages. I want to figure out how to find it.--Meowmere14 (talk) 07:13, 12 December 2015 (MST)

Are you sure you were hitting Save Page and not Show Preview? There's nothing in your list of edits. Marasmusine (talk) 11:13, 12 December 2015 (MST)
I'm pretty sure I was hitting Save and not Preveiw, but thanks anyway.--Meowmere14 (talk) 15:11, 15 December 2015 (MST)
What is the name of the class? Perhaps we can find it. --Jwguy (talk) 08:33, 16 December 2015 (MST)


How exactly does one add a weapon or piece of armor to a specific category? For example, to Two-Handed Ranged Weapons or to Light Armor?

Hello, what edition is this for? Marasmusine (talk) 05:58, 28 December 2015 (MST)

Balancing Strategy[edit]

Why is this wiki's content so unbalanced and broken? Why? ErrorIam (talk) 05:58, 23 January 2016 (EST)

The items here are, as the sidebar indicates, user-generated and homebrew. Some may be based on a balancing play style that you are not familiar with, while others may simply be undone or not complete.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   17:25, 24 January 2016 (MST)
Please take improving, reviewing, or removing templates into consideration in your campaigns, and if you run across a page with broken and unbalanced content please mark it as such with these templates. Thanks! --Green Dragon (talk) 23:42, 24 January 2016 (MST)
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