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Editing Question[edit]

How do I use Hyperlinks?

Internal links are the page title [[In Double Square Brackets]]; external links are in [www.single.square.brackets] Marasmusine (talk) 00:48, 20 May 2014 (MDT)

Rating system[edit]

Another random question (yes I know shocker) but if we performed an overhaul on a class to complete it (I have done this with a few classes) and the previously constructed setup had a few ratings should I just line through them as an old rating pre change or leave them? Tivanir 10:12, 23 April 2012 (MDT)

Strike them out on the talk page and remove them from the class. Whenever a rating is no longer applicable this should be done. --Green Dragon 09:59, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

Featured Article[edit]

I vote it's time to rotate out the featured article. I am tired of seeing the Graveborn. We have a nice list of nominees ready to take its place. Who's with me? -- Irykyl 07:36, 1 May 2012 (MDT)

I fully agree, this site needs new Featured Articles.--Milo High-Hill 17:45, 1 May 2012 (MDT)
We've had two 4e articles in a row, shall we pick a 3.5e this time? I like Magic Missile Stormer (3.5e Optimized Character Build) although I think it needs a more appropriate image. Marasmusine 09:20, 3 May 2012 (MDT)
Have any articles been reviewed lately? Tivanir 09:50, 3 May 2012 (MDT)
Not that many. I am going to take a look for a better minigun picture.-- Irykyl 09:53, 3 May 2012 (MDT)
Minor note, but there is a typo in the featured article page. I tried to change it, but it won't let me. It is spelled "oligarchy." As the original writer of that page. -- Aristocles (talk) 17:20, 28 March 2014 (MDT)

Tome [combat] and [Skill] feats[edit]

For the past day or so the categories for Tome Combat and [[Tome Skill Feats|Skill] feats have been inaccessible for the past couple of days. Both myself and several of my friends have been unable to view them at all so I'm fairly certain it's not just me or my browser. Not sure what the problem is though, I'm not particularly savvy when it comes to computers. Starless Knight 23:37, 4 May 2012 (MDT)

Not sure why you wouldn't be able to pull them up. Those particular links seem to work fine, for me. Jwguy (talk) 08:16, 22 May 2012 (MDT)

Why, test my templates![edit]

I've made some new templates for 4e creatures and traps, but I'm getting an odd formatting issue. I invite people to try them out (through the preloads at 4e Traps and Hazards and 4e Creatures), see what happens to the wiki menu to the left. For me, the text size shrinks and the formatting goes odd. Marasmusine (talk) 08:03, 22 May 2012 (MDT)

Ah, fixed it, forgot to close a div tag. Have fun. Marasmusine (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2012 (MDT)
Ya, that's normally that problem. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:54, 22 May 2012 (MDT)

Slight problem with formatting[edit]

For anyone that is interested I am observing the epic levels table now for some reason are placing the hit dice and the table name underneath the table. Any info on how to fix this issue? Tivanir (talk) 07:16, 23 May 2012 (MDT)

Keeping them on the same line does not seem possible anymore from the CSS. The code, from MediaWiki:Common.css is
table.d20 caption.epic p
{
float: left;
clear: left;
text-align: left;
}
Do you know how? --Green Dragon (talk) 16:40, 11 June 2012 (MDT)

equipment categories[edit]

There are two equipment categories: "Outfits" and "Specific Clothing", which seems overly, well, specific, and apparently confusing: Druid's Robes is in both categories, whilst Rain Hat is in Outfits but not Clothing. Let's just stick them all in an "Apparel" category - I'll do the grunt work if we agree on this. Marasmusine (talk) 03:08, 18 June 2012 (MDT)

Since no-one objects I'll go ahead and do this (at some point). Marasmusine (talk) 02:59, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

Armored flurry of blows feat[edit]

hi, tell me what do you think about this feat, is it balanced or not? will you as DM allow it for a monk ? thanks

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_(3.5e_Feat)

--Dean iper (talk) 09:35, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

How You Can Help[edit]

I'd like to have some kind of high-visibility section on the main page that links to a couple of select meta-pages. I'm thinking of Category:Needs Review, for example: things that anyone can help with without getting too technical. At the moment, these tasks are hidden away in the To Do page which no-one but the admins really look at. Marasmusine (talk) 09:50, 18 July 2012 (MDT)

Like a few select pages under the link? Or do you mean to change the description to provide a few select links for each of them in their respective descriptions? --Green Dragon (talk) 20:07, 18 July 2012 (MDT)
I'm imagining it as either a small section just underneath where it says "Welcome to D&D Wiki", or a section further down, underneath Administration, with it's own brown-background header. The section would have 2 or 3 links (and no more than that) to tasks we feel need attention that anyone can help with. As an example, in this section we can link directly to the "Needs Review" category (although we do need to provide some basic guidelines/instructions at that page.) Marasmusine (talk) 02:38, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
If you provide an example of what you are talking about we can look over it and decide what action, if any, would make the most sense. --Green Dragon (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2012 (MDT)
Okay, at some point I'll draft an alternative Main Page and see what everyone thinks. Marasmusine (talk) 04:03, 11 September 2012 (MDT)

Naruto to DnD conversion help, Akatsuki class[edit]

Hi i would like to create some classes inspired by the famous manga/anime Naruto, but i have some problems converting this ritual: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_Technique:_Death_Controlling_Possessed_Blood

how can i make the conversion to dnd 3.5 ? like some special ability or spell ?

Thanks for every contribution! --Dean iper (talk) 13:37, 1 August 2012 (MDT)

I would make it a special ability that takes a few rounds to do. There may be other possibilities though. --Green Dragon (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2012 (MDT)
for example if you hit the enemy with the sword you automatically take the blood, with it you draw the symbol on the floor,
you after can inflict yourself damage and to the enemy, like two rounds to complete the ritual will be enough ?
and how much damage would the enemy take and how much you ?
-173.245.53.173 08:01, 5 August 2012 (MDT)
From the description, it sounds like the enemy takes as much damage as you do. Seems like whatever you can inflict upon yourself (though a spell or attack) is how much he would take. To me this sounds more like a high level spell than a special ability. Really, you could probably make it into a halfway decent prestige class. JazzMan 13:25, 5 August 2012 (MDT)
yeah, but the problem is that in the anime/manga he is not taking damage, because he is in a way immortal. so how to counter this problem ? --173.245.53.173 07:59, 8 August 2012 (MDT)
Obviously you have to have some way to avoid damage then. The way I read it, the reason he doesn't take damage is because he's immortal, not because the ritual doesn't deal him damage. There aren't a whole lot of ways to be immortal within D&D, so if that's critical you can pretty much give up on writing rules and just make it work however you want to work. Otherwise he sounds pretty much like a lich, but again, you can't just cast a spell and *POOF* lich.
On the other hand if you just want a spell that deals someone damage, then make a spell that deals someone damage. Make blood a material component and boom you're done. JazzMan 18:43, 9 August 2012 (MDT)

Request for semi protect and ban[edit]

First the request for semi protect. In recent weeks the page for Saiyans has been vandalized repeatedly, and while I don't particularly like the class vandalism is never the answer. The second request is an IP ban on 108.162.219.113 as this users total contributions include four major vandalisms and one spelling correction Tivanir (talk) 10:11, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

Looks like GD got them. JazzMan 07:32, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

Question[edit]

hi, i am new to dnd wiki and i see that the last post on here is a few months ago, is this site no longer used? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 137.118.252.144 (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts!

The last post on this page was two weeks ago, not a few months ago, and the last edit to the site before you posted was about 15 minutes before yours. We aren't Wikipedia, but I don't know where you got the few months figure from. JazzMan 07:29, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

New featured article[edit]

We've had the Magic Missile Minigunner Stormer up for a few months now. It could be that the idea is to alternate between 3.5e and 4e, but I'm not that enthusiastic about the current 4e proposals. With due arrogance I've submitted one of my own. Or perhaps we could consider a type of article we've not had before (i.e. we've had creatures, races, classes - how about a piece of equipment or something from the "other" folder?) Marasmusine (talk) 14:05, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

Well that's me all embarrassed, I see now that a page was already being groomed for the new FA. Marasmusine (talk) 02:06, 13 September 2012 (MDT)
It's not arrogance, please submit your work for FAs. Normally, depending on how much work a page requires will determine how long it will take for it to become a FA. I imagine that yours is pretty good (I have not looked at it), but I think that we should at least wait a few weeks before switching the FA. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:50, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

How does Experience Points work for Prestige Classes.[edit]

Recently my friends and i are all thinking about doing a prestige class but we were unable to figure out how the level system worked for them. We did not know if we started over for the exp or if we continued from what level we prestige at.

You continue along. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:54, 16 October 2012 (MDT)
Yes, just that. You carry on adding XP to your total XP and when you gain enough to level up, you gain a level in a class or prestige class. Marasmusine (talk) 05:04, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

How to add pics to articles[edit]

It's on the can. But yeah, what's the wikicode for adding pictures? I don't know where to find this information, either. Sadface. If it's something obvious I missed/forgot, I'm sorry, but I'm really confused. I looked at another class, and saw a not-really-link-thing in img=. Help please!

Here's the code I use to embed images from Flickr:
{| style="float:right" border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2
!http://farm6.staticflickr.com/blah/blah.jpg
|-
|[http://www.flickr.com/photos/blah/blah/ Title and Attribution]
|}
Alternatively, you can upload an image to the wiki (if it has a compatible license), see Special:Upload. Further information at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images
Marasmusine (talk) 05:02, 17 October 2012 (MDT)
Thank you! (Talk) 0:508, 17 October 2012 (PDT)

Making a bugbear need help cyz hes LA+1[edit]

Im starting off at level 1 so i know i need the xp of level 3 to get to level 2 but then how do i continue to level after that?

Continue in the same vein. You level up to 3 when you have enough XP for what would normally be level 4. Marasmusine (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2012 (MDT)

New Index Tool for 4e[edit]

I've made a new index that I've called the 4e DM Toolbox. It collates various things of a specific level which might be helpful for DMs designing an adventure. Let me know if you have suggestions for improvements. Marasmusine (talk) 11:42, 23 October 2012 (MDT)

I would add information from 4e Environments and 4e Quests. --Green Dragon (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2012 (MDT)

Help with NPC stats[edit]

OK, i am a DM for a 3.5 edition world were the characters can adventur to their hearts content, but their is a story behind it. anyways i like to incorporate alot of NPCs from the past editions into my own world and right now i am having troubles locating stats for Tenser, Drawmjim, Otiluke, Melf, Nystul, Otto, kelgore, and leomund for a circle of mages within a magical school known as a citadel. i have found spells with these character's names, and read a little about them and wanted them to be teachers that can teach their signature spells to magical PCs. anyone have their stats? official or good homebrew is welcome, i would like them to have every spell with their name also...would love the help and be willing to help with anything in return. Aganazzar, Rary, Larloch, and Khelben are being sought for now too.

I would be willing to help you. Have you looked on google for stats for everyone? And do you need Mordenkainen or Bigby?

Alchemic Substances[edit]

I just made my account so I'm new to the site. Is there any place with a complete list of alchemic substances and equipment? I would like a complete refrence guide for my alchemist.

Hi, welcome to D&D Wiki. Which edition are you playing with? Marasmusine (talk) 16:09, 1 February 2013 (MST)

I'm playing with 3.5

Okay, we've got the official stuff and some homebrew stuff. I haven't checked through the latter, so confirm with your DM before you use any from there.Marasmusine (talk) 01:11, 2 February 2013 (MST)

Thanks. A sugestion for someone who is better at putting stuff up on the website than me: you may want to post the special substances from the arms and equipment guide. I used a friend's copy for a while. It would be nice if they were up here.

April Fools Entries[edit]

Can we nominate these for deletion? In most cases they aren't really usable (I don't mind when people toss them up on 1 April but leaving them up doesn't exactly enact confidence when people come here for references and ideas.) Tivanir (talk) 11:43, 18 March 2013 (MDT) As an aside I am going to hold off until after april 1st for the deletion nominations as doing it two weeks prior is counter productive.

I'm not fond of a lot of these. Sometimes it seems to be the case of slapping the April Fools tag on something that just doesn't work in the game, but is vaguely humorous, in order to save it from deletion. In other cases they are D&Difying an internet meme just for the sake of it. For me, an April Fools has to be a) Written to be funny in the first place, b) well written, c) have usable mechanics or parody the mechanics (think of the Witchalok). Seriously, I'm sick of coming across the Chuck Norris's and the Falcon Punches and god knows what else.
If we don't want to purge them, we can at least segregate them so they don't pop up in the lists (by adding a notcategory in all the dpls). Marasmusine (talk) 00:48, 28 March 2013 (MDT)
If they do not fit into the D&D universe or are imbalanced, etc please add {{delete}} to them (I hate reading that when its junk). --Green Dragon (talk) 08:17, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

Over deities mess[edit]

Well I decided I wanted to take a stroll through the home brew deities and unshockingly most people have no clue how over deities work. Would it be possible for me to either create a template and help guide that can be added so people get an idea on how they work? Far too many people are assuming over deity is just a higher form of god that still cares about a single planet or even group of planets. I can create an FAQ if people think it might be utilized, but in the current form almost all of the over deities either need rebuilt or purged because it either makes no sense but there is enough to work with or there isn't enough there to even try to correct and reuse. Thoughts? Tivanir (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2013 (MDT)

While I am at it I was considering moving all of the old TG cid classes to reflect that in their name and just hit them all with an unbalanced template saying they need to be used in high power campaigns, since to fix all of them would take monumental work. Tivanir (talk) 20:09, 27 March 2013 (MDT)
Yes, feel free to change 3.5e Deities Instructions so it also guides users through the process of creating a deity. For deities with a balance problem, I would recommend adding {{needsbalance}} to alert users about the deity and hopefully get the problem resolved. --Green Dragon (talk) 20:12, 5 April 2013 (MDT)

Need Nullsteel unlocked[edit]

Null steel is locked but it is missing a ton of material necessary for it to be complete (like a cost table.) Request unlock. Tivanir (talk) 09:32, 3 April 2013 (MDT)

Can we also unlock Enduring ammunition quality? There is the never ending quiver (that can be enchanted to feed arrows with a magical bonus) that covers ammunition recovery. Also this is more a passive wonderous item bonus not a weapon bonus, a weapon bonus would be if it created a munition out of magic energy instead. Tivanir (talk) 13:50, 5 April 2013 (MDT)
You should be able to change the protection on pages yourself now :) Marasmusine (talk) 15:48, 6 April 2013 (MDT)

copyrighted material and pictures[edit]

there appears to be a lot of material from Video games and other places not about D&D. if someone could make a page linking all of these pages, it would help distinguish from the material made specifically for the game and material made purely from fans.

also, there is an extreme lack of pictures in the site. pages for species, creatures, deities, items, objects, and places need to have at least one picture each. also, add a page that includes all pictures on the site.

If you see material based on a video game, add Category:Translation to it (personally I would have chosen the term "Adaptation" but it's a bit late to rename it.) We then have the option of filtering those out from the indexes and/or making separate lists for them. Such pages will also need the {{Copyright Disclaimer}} template adding, with the owner and franchise fields filled in. This is extremely laborious but any help is appreciated.
As for the lack of pictures, what can I say? This is a wiki, if you can find a good image, link to it or upload it. The difficulty comes in complying with copyright, or finding obscure stuff (believe me I searched for hours for a Mantrap Golem without success.) Marasmusine (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2013 (MDT)

it's not just video games. the 3.5e homebrew race Andalite is from A.K. Applegate's Animorphs book Series, and so far i've caught two star wars referances. i've even seen someone add autobots/decepticons to the list of races. (for whoever created the page, the collective race is called protoforms.)

Also, a race I found in the abandoned pages is called Half-Zoroark. i added in the discussion of the page an excerpt from the zoroark Article in Bulbapedia, the pokemon wiki.

User:Dragonwinged (My pages)[edit]

I heard about this game from a cousin of mine, and after hearing about it, it sounds like fun. and i'm a writer by nature, so it's easy for me to come up with stuff. i have three pages so far of added material in 4e. my problem is, none of them include stat values for gameplay. i've written them with real-world conditions in mind (not that any of these might ever show up in the real world.) so i need someone to review the material i have and add in the stat values. if there is a page with a sentence refering to the discussion tab, please go there for information.

I would say that Keian Cross-Blood (4e Race) is already in the game as the Longtooth and Razorclaw Shifters. Marasmusine (talk) 01:15, 7 April 2013 (MDT)
Morph Weapon (4e weapons template) is already in the game as the Dynamic weapon enhancement, sorry :/ Marasmusine (talk) 01:19, 7 April 2013 (MDT)
Morph armor (4e clothing template) - A character's armor is already assumed to accommodate shapechanging in some fashion. Also, what you are describing as "armor templates" and "weapon templates" are handled in the game through magic items (both of your examples function through magical means), and we already have categories for Category:Weapons and so on! Sorry to be so negative for your first edits... Marasmusine (talk) 01:27, 7 April 2013 (MDT)

i have read over the articles you have described, and it appears to me that several factors included in my Keian Cross-Bloods are not factors in shifters. a Keian Cross-Blood can be any animal. the Keian Cross-Bloods are partially based on real life therianthropy, however the Keian Cross-Blood is not controlled by their animal forms like the stereotypical werewolf (See Wikipedia Page) they are not blood-thirsty ravenous monsters as the stereotypes are displayed. see the wikipedia page on therianthropy for details and common animal forms. check the discussion tab in Keian Cross-Bloods to learn more about their real-world Apliccations.--Dragonwinged (talk) 01:40, 7 April 2013 (MDT)

just asking anyone who knows, i'm trying to get links to my pages into my user page, but it doesn't seem to be working. does anyone know how to do this?--Dragonwinged (talk) 01:41, 7 April 2013 (MDT)

Look at my user page for reference. --Salasay Δ 16:44, 8 April 2013 (MDT)

Artificer FA nomination[edit]

When people get a chance can we start featured article review for the artificer class? It is overall complete (needs some delinking and questionable balance but I figure we will work through that as time goes on) so I want to actually start contributing material again since the last few weeks have primarily involved clean up. That way I can get my head back into this and start bringing more classes to completion and more articles to FA status. Tivanir (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2013 (MDT)

Yeah, there seems to have been no activity on FA's. My own Illusionary Weapons Master has been nominated for a while, but no one has said anything on the talk page. As for the artificer, I will look at it for you. --Salasay Δ 16:28, 19 April 2013 (MDT)
By all means please give support to the FA process. Its difficult to make sure there are virtually no problems with articles, and to make sure that they meet the FA criteria– and any support is appreciated. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:13, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

Unused Images[edit]

I'm thinking of performing an indiscriminate deletion of all Special:UnusedFiles, because they are just languising there. I'll give two weeks for anyone to claim what images they want to use. Marasmusine (talk) 05:48, 23 April 2013 (MDT)

Since there are no objections, I will commence. Marasmusine (talk) 01:31, 30 April 2013 (MDT)
Instead of that, just delete the icons and screenshot-like images. Many of these images are useable, but we may not know where (yet) they fit best into the D&D universe, and many of them are good images. Also, there is nothing wrong with an image repository. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:11, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

New 3.5e Feats List[edit]

Please enjoy the new 3.5e Skill Feats list, now organized into lists for specific skills. I do need to set the table column widths for neatness. Marasmusine (talk) 01:49, 13 May 2013 (MDT)

Dozens of feat lists that were manually created or were broken (3.5e Domain Feats, 3.5e Wild Feats, etc) now use dynamic lists. Again, sorry about the column widths, but now at least all the available feats are listed. Marasmusine (talk) 08:22, 28 May 2013 (MDT)

Okay, I'm overhauling 3.5e Racial Feats next. If anyone is good with DPLs, can they take a look? I now have a unified list with all the SRD race feats in it, and I want it sorted by race. I've made race the 2nd column, but adding |tablesortcol=2 just seems to randomize it. Marasmusine (talk) 03:23, 30 May 2013 (MDT)

4e Skill Challenges[edit]

I've added a template and preload for making Skill Challenges in 4e, at 4e Skill Challenges. It can be used to make non-combat encounters, or even mini-quests, but assumes that the user is familiar with the relevant sections in the DMG or DMB. I have added one example. Have fun! Marasmusine (talk) 09:59, 14 June 2013 (MDT)

Good catch, thanks for adding those. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:02, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

4e Diseases[edit]

I've updated Template: 4e Disease and made a 4e Disease Preload, and "make new" button. It uses the newer Essentials vertical format that I think is easier to read than the old cram-it-into-one-row format. By the way, are these updates the kind of update that people would like to see in the News section? Marasmusine (talk) 01:53, 15 August 2013 (MDT)

I think so, lets do that from now on. Thanks. --Green Dragon (talk) 08:00, 29 August 2013 (MDT)

Legacy Weapons and Armor; Added or no?[edit]

I've played Dungeons and Dragons for a few years now, stopped for college, and recently got back into it. I was reading through the old manuals and happened across "Weapons of Legacy", one I had not previously known about. I must say I am quite surprised at the absolute lack of "Legacy" weapons and armor content on this site, no offence. Is there any way we could build pages for 3.5, possibly even 4e to allow users and players the option of building Homebrew Legacy Weapons and Armor? I feel that could be a nice addition to the website, instead of the mildly enchanted equipment that becomes obsolete after just a few short levels. -(No username; C.Haugen)

I haven't read that book, can you give a summary? Perhaps you could create a page with an example (one of your own, not copied from the book)? Marasmusine (talk) 16:47, 5 September 2013 (MDT)
Discussion moved to Talk:3.5e Legacy Equipment. Marasmusine (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2013 (MDT)

Shop locations ?[edit]

Hello every one. I want to ask, since i am in Amsterdam right now I would like to ask if any one knows a site and address of a dnd shop, and also I would like to suggest that we make a list of dnd shops in each country and city ? Jokeboy ( forgot which symbol was used to tag automatically

There's a thread here with answers for that very question, although it is 5 years old now.
I can also tell you that there are no shops that sell D&D products in Doncaster, UK (I have to travel to Patriot Games in Sheffield). Marasmusine (talk) 14:46, 25 March 2014 (MDT)
thanks a lot. though I couldn't access this site to check the page on time, although even if I did I couldn't have gone to the shop. but w/e I guess I will either wait for the next Intertrafic in Amsterdam which is in 2 years, or try to go there for a vacation because I am in love with that city. --Jokeboy (talk) 14:25, 30 March 2014 (MDT)
Also, I still suggest to the users or admins of DanDwiki.com to make a page where users can add the shop locations for all shops they know of. because I guess that not all things are available online, and if we are abroad and have the time why not check out a store. also could be of help for those that don't know all the shops in their own country. for example Marasmusine knows that there are no shops in Doncaster but there are some in Sheffield, but if there are other shop in nearby cities the users would let you know this way.... or something. ... or if someone know a list already available online that would be great :) --Jokeboy (talk) 14:41, 30 March 2014 (MDT)

contributions?[edit]

I have a LARGE number of Books in mostly PDF format I'd like to contribute to the site,if anyone knows how I can do that,please contact me, please keep in mind the files comprise something in the order of 20-50 GB. Thanks.

What kind of books are there? 3.5e, 4e? Did you make them all yourself, or how are they licensed? --Green Dragon (talk) 01:52, 27 April 2014 (MDT)


Web Page Not Found Error[edit]

I have been trying to get into the 3.5e Complex Special Ability Components page and have tried several times, as lately I have noticed that if a Web Page Not Found Error pops up while perusing dandwiki you can just try to load up the page again and it usually works. However, this trick does not seem to work for this page. I have tried anywhere from 40-60 times just in this day, and have yet to get anything other than Web Page Not Found or, the more recent one, Bad Gateway Error. Though that I would bring this to your attention. --SilentPC (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2014 (CST)

Hi SilentPC, this should be fixed now. Thanks! — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2014 (MDT)
Yep, it's working for me now. Thanks and no problem, been at Dandwiki for a long time now and I love the idea of the site as well as most of the homebrewed material on here. If I can help in any way, I usually try to. --SilentPC (talk) 14:25, 24 May 2014 (CST)

3.5e Class Preload[edit]

I've just noticed that the format of our 3.5e class preload is not like the format presented in the PHB. The PHB goes:

  • Lead text
  • Descriptive paragraphs on: Adventurers, Characteristics, Alignment, Religion, Background, Races, Classes, Role
  • Game Rule Information: Abilities, Alignment, Hit Die; Class Skills; Class Features; Level Table
  • Starting Package

Our preload misses some description sections, adds others that are unnecessary (or at least optional), doesn't sufficiently explain what is expected in each section (example, with races, this should describe what some races are like as this class, not just say what races are likely to be this class), splits descriptive text to be both above and below the game mechanics, uses different terms and formatting for the headers, and overall seems to be more work for an editor than is necessary.

If there's no objections, I will make a new preload that will better match the PHB and have clearer instructions (although it's too late to change the existing homebrew classes) Marasmusine (talk) 03:54, 27 May 2014 (MDT)

The class preload actually uses the most up-to-date format for the 3.5e classes, since the format has been changed a lot since the PHB ones. --Green Dragon (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Is it supposed to be like those in PHB 2? Marasmusine (talk) 06:31, 27 May 2014 (MDT)
Because people seem to be really struggling to fill out those two or three pages worth of fluff, leaving many many half-finished pages. Wouldn't it be better to get the editor to at least fill out the "core" PHB1 descriptions, then make optional all the PHB2 stuff about NPCs, organizations, etc. Marasmusine (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
From the discussion:
This sample layout is based on the newer format WotC is using their more recent source books. I started with that and made changes from there:
Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Overview
Since 3.5e is no longer published and this format has been used widely, and I am going to say that no we will not change them. This is an unnecessary amount of work, only to bring back the pages to an older format, it is not worthwhile. If people want to use the SRD formats it's okay but not for an FA page though (there are some examples). I do not want to restrict creativity and homebrewing because of a format, thus they do not not need {{wikify}} if they use the SRD format- but the standard will be the preload format and FA's need this format. --Green Dragon (talk) 07:43, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
The thing is, it's not clear which sections are required for an FA article, and which sections are only required for the page not to be a "stub" or "wikify needed". What I'm asking is that the preload say "fill in these descriptions as a minimum" and then "optionally fill in these sections for FA standards". It could be there are classes that are currently tagged as a stub that don't need to be. Marasmusine (talk) 09:59, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
FA's need to have everything, "Featured articles are considered to be the best articles within D&D Wiki". Maybe {{stub}} should apply to classes which are missing Campaign Information entirely. What is fair? I believe that I have been adding it to pages which are missing any Campaign Information, except for NPCs. I have also been adding {{wikify}} to pages which use the PHB format, which I guess that I should no longer do. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:48, 28 May 2014 (MDT)
Sorry, I meant "It's not clear to editors looking at the preload which sections are required for FA and which are required for it not to be a stub". We might know that, but new editors who have just pressed "Add new class" don't, and maybe all they want to do is make sure that their class is listed in the table at 3.5e Base Classes rather than the "sin bin" at the bottom. I'd like the preload to be clear on what the minimum standards are. Marasmusine (talk) 01:55, 29 May 2014 (MDT)
We can change 3.5e Class Instructions to let users know the standards.
I have been adding {{stub}} to classes which are missing epic information, a starting package, or an entire sub section thereof; "Playing a", "in the World", "in the Game" but not an NPC.
Is the question if this is too much? I feel that this is adequate, since they are stubs if they are missing so much information. If we can agree that this is adequate, or discuss what is adequate then lets add it to the 3.5e Class Instructions.
{{abandoned}} can also be added, when the class is not at a fully playable stage (incomplete, bad mechanics, no direction)– again if we agree that this is adequate. {{delete}} is also when the class has two of the following problems: it is not at a fully playable stage, has problematic mechanics, no good text, and/or is grossly mis-formatted– again if we agree that this is adequate. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:32, 9 June 2014 (MDT)
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