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I welcome discussions! Although before contacting me see if your question is not dealt with on Meta Pages.
Among other things, I am looking for Featured Articles, and I want your contributions to support this process!

Article/Page Delete[edit]

I am new to wiki contributions. When I posted my 1st article/page, I got an error message and thought it did not post, so I reposted an now there are duplicate pages. I want to make sure that it is deleted correctly. Under D&D -> 4e Homebrew -> Diseases there are 2 entries titled "The Gray Slug" and I want to delete the top entry. --Archon86 (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2014 (MDT)

Featured Article Nomination[edit]

Thought I'd drop a note here since I wasn't getting any comments on the page itself. Nominating the Prestidigitator (3.5e Prestige Class) to become a featured article. --Calidore Chase (talk) 06:46, 21 June 2013 (MDT)

Thank you very much I plan to use the site and discuss stuff as well. It just may be sporadic due to my schedule but again many thanks. the Silverfox


I'm a newbie, obviously, and am wondering can I submit images?

Hi Swampy, I'll answer for the sake of expedition. Go to Special:Upload and follow the instructions. Don't upload anything with a copyright license :) Marasmusine (talk) 14:56, 21 August 2013 (MDT)

What does this mean[edit]

like lets say my hit dice is 3d4 what does that mean is it i have to roll 3 4 sided dice Or what?

That's right, take a look at SRD:Basics. Marasmusine (talk) 00:28, 23 August 2013 (MDT)


Hi GD, I'm wondering, do we really need to have the 3.0e SRD here? What we have at the moment is incomplete and poorly, inconsistently transcribed. No-one seems to have any interest in completing it, and I'd bet that 99.99% of visitors will be using 3.5e anyway. If we remove it, it would also clear up a little bit of space on the main page. What do you think? Marasmusine (talk) 02:01, 24 August 2013 (MDT)

It was a WIP. You are right, it is very incomplete. Instead, though, I will just remove it from the Main Page etc (maybe it will be completed sometime). --Green Dragon (talk) 05:16, 24 August 2013 (MDT)
Cool, that's fine. 06:29, 24 August 2013 (MDT)

3.5e class Preloads[edit]

Sorry for adding more sections to your talk page. I was wondering if you'd share your thoughts regarding 3.5e class preloads and if the issue templates should remain there. Thanks, --SgtLion (talk) 04:10, 24 August 2013 (MDT)

Please let mw know when you finished fixing these problems so we can treat administrator rights equally. --Green Dragon (talk) 05:17, 24 August 2013 (MDT)

Multi classing magus[edit]

Hello how does it Work if i chose to multiclass to a spell caster WHO dont use the Mana system?

About my old Campaign setting[edit]

Hi there, I've been gone from this site for several years. Back when I was a regular user, I started to write down my campaign setting called Vaerya. I recently came back to the site only to discover that the main page for Vaerya is gone, but some of the pages that were inside are still around. I was wondering if there's any way for Vaerya to be restored to what it was before I left, so I can continue to work on it without redoing all that work. If there is a better place to ask this question, my bad. Please let me know.

--Dragon (talk) 15:25, 15 September 2013 (MDT)

Those pages were deleted 4 years ago :) Fortunately they are restorable. I don't think GD will mind if I start undeleting them. You'll find it at Vaerya (DnD Campaign Setting). Marasmusine (talk) 00:44, 16 September 2013 (MDT)
Thanks a bunch! Now I can get right back in there where I started. --GoldDragon (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2013 (MDT)

Authoritative Advice[edit]

Hello, Green Dragon. Could you take a look at this race and tell me what Level Adjustment you think it should have? --Sir Dinadan (talk) 11:20, 20 September 2013 (MDT)

I think that {{needsbalance}} is referring to the situation that one does not get any racial HD by taking the race. Maybe you could bring the LA down to +6 or +7 and add some racial HD to make it superior in every way. Otherwise, feel free to remove the template since it is more referring to its accuracy to its description anyway. --Green Dragon (talk) 12:18, 20 September 2013 (MDT)

4e Race Design[edit]

I am trying to make race with a nice ammount of skills on them. But i try to make it so the user doesn't rely on them but dose use them for effective defense. If you could help me or assist me that would be wonderful. Mai Kao

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I would restart. Find a race that appeals to you and that is similar in mechanics to what you are looking for and link to it on my page. I can help you further after you have done this. In addition maybe the 4e Race Add Instructions will give you some guidance. --Green Dragon (talk) 01:46, 14 October 2013 (MDT)

Copyright for Tolkien world creation[edit]

I am just getting interested again in AD&D. I have 3rd edition rules, so I guess they should interface ok with 3.5. I am interested in creating a world based directly on the source material from Tolkien's works. It will be 3rd Age previous to 'The Hobbit' novel.

What is the rules for copyright if I do this, especially if it gets published with a fee?

Many thanks, Chris Tuxford

You won't be able to publish it with a fee unless you pay the Tolkien Estate a huge sum of money for use of the IP, and you woudn't be able to publish it on this wiki since it uses copyleft licenses.
If you still want to work on a D&D Tolkien setting I suggest improving J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings (3.5e Campaign Setting) rather than starting yet another one. Marasmusine (talk) 01:05, 29 October 2013 (MDT)

I posted in Discussion on ECL[edit]

I posted here, a rather long bit on discussion for ECL, that does not fit 100% with the posted terminology definition and what it means and why it exists.

The original post however would totally make PRCs that grant ECLs a punishment for characters instead of a benefit and based there being a penalty base for ECLs, who would ever want to have one or take on a PRC that granst them.

There is another descrepency that is promoted in blogs and posts on ECL, stating that an ECL raises teh XP requirements to reach the next level and this also in untrue. What woudl be the point of starting a level 1 character with an ECL that gives them some level 4 abilities, but they have to get level 5 XP to reach level 2? Just start with a level 4 character or a regular character and you will have all the benefits of level 5 instead of just the "ECL" penalized version?

I did not want to overstep any authority and rewrite the page. --Honorlord (talk) 13:03, 8 November 2013 (MST) -- 13:02, 8 November 2013 (MST)

Class Concept[edit] Thoughts, suggestions?


Hi there, Peter! I was wondering if you could tell me what Astral Driftmetal is, as it doesn't seem to have its own page. 14:26, 12 December 2013 (MST)Stygianelectro

No. Feel free to add a page about it, of course. --Green Dragon (talk) 03:50, 13 December 2013 (MST)

Trouble Registering[edit]

GD, an IP made this new comment in a really old talk archive, I have copied it below. Marasmusine (talk) 03:54, 26 December 2013 (MST)

I feel the antispammer is not only effective at keeping spammers off, it seems to make it quite a hassle for me to register. I have tried to register 3 times, each time waiting between 1,000 and 2,000 seconds for the puzzle part of the registering, only to find out that no matter my best efforts, apparently I have not yet figured out in what exact order in the registering process I am supposed to do the two words test, the puzzle test, and the fill in information. The reason I am under that Impression because each time I tried, it said can't register because of "missing confirmation code", regardless of me actually doing both the two words and the puzzle button and filling it in. It would be helpful to me if I knew the exact order I was supposed to fill out the register, or it would be helpful if I could be exempted. Either way, I have no desire to be seen as a complainer, I just want you to know that for me (and of course I have no idea about any others), and maybe it is because I am on a shared computer, I am being stopped by the registering process, as the human and antispamming confirmations seem to ignore and laugh at me. 21:03, 25 December 2013 (MST)

Thank you for the feedback, it is important that this system is usable. Can you let us know what browser and operating system you are using and on what hardware? Waiting thousands of seconds indicates that something might be wrong—the times taken from successful challenges currently range from 6 to 340 seconds. Looking through the logs, it looks like you may have tried submitting before your machine had solved the puzzle. Following are your logs (there is nothing sensitive in them):
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 18:51:52 -0700	PoW [746ff3f6f614b2f6f1cd28db8d339c54572019cc] failed due to bad puzzle [lF83Iu2r4m] [(please wait...)]
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:30:09 -0700	PoW [975b040806a8f47294b715878bd88fc156f89895] failed due to missing challenge
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:53:12 -0700	PoW [f07cd7e6da2e1d308e92ed5145007e5a945cb038] failed due to missing challenge
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 19:53:27 -0700	PoW [f07cd7e6da2e1d308e92ed5145007e5a945cb038] failed due to missing challenge
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:25:58 -0700	PoW [79f203d5a3d4d44c3c9cb941ef884b8a5fd3e189] failed due to missing challenge
Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:26:44 -0700	PoW [79f203d5a3d4d44c3c9cb941ef884b8a5fd3e189] failed due to missing challenge
The logs show that your only submitted answer was "(please wait...)". The process should be the following:
  1. enter the values for the ReCAPTCHA test
  2. press "Begin Puzzle Search"
  3. wait until the text box contains some numbers and no longer contains "(please wait...)"
  1. fill out the form and press "Create your account".
If this continues to be a problem, please let me know and I'll temporarily add an exemption to your IP address. Thanks, — Blue Dragon (talk) 08:33, 26 December 2013 (MST)
The funny thing is I tried once more, and in that exact order, and it still did not accept me. I have temporarily allowed all scripts on that page for at least the last four tries. Anything else I should try? 09:05, 26 December 2013 (MST)
It looks like it finally went through?
Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:18:46 -0700 PoW [b1a5cbdd4588fc7cc3bed490400d9bfe9f03233e] passed [Y9cGo9G7wl] [109251] [339.25]
What did you do differently for it to work? It would be good for anyone experiencing the same issue to know. The puzzles do require scripts to be enabled. Thanks, — Blue Dragon (talk) 08:37, 27 December 2013 (MST)

i would like to add two prestiege classes to DnD wiki.[edit]

Hello Green Dragon,

 Over the last year or so a friend of mine has introduced me to dnd wiki. thank you very much for running this site. it has helped not only me and my friend run and play our respective games, but ive also mentioned it to some of the other gamers that ive gamed with. ive also shown the site to them on my laptop. anyways, sorry for the diversion. i would like to add two prestiege classes. one is called the mentalist. i based this one off of the show the mentalist. i made the mentalist class to help get out of tight situations. the mentalist class may look like a support class, but it can be used by a meat shield like a fighter or ranger. the other prestiege class is called skill monkey. skill monkey helps you explore your skills better, but when skill monkey is forced into combat, its more of a support class then anything. i havent used either class with a barbarian or wizard yet. but it is possible to use either prestiege class with either of the base classes.  feel free to email me back at ill email the details of both prestiege classes.

have a great day Green Dragon,


Just go ahead and make them. The formatting not that hard. if you can't figure something out, feel free to ask me on my comments page. it under homebrew. --Salasay Δ 20:15, 5 January 2014 (MST)

Transcribing Pathfinder content[edit]

For a while (at least, before my become a very busy dude), my group moved over to Pathfinder rules, and I very much enjoy it, so I've got a fair interest in transcribing it to dandwiki. It'd be a real useful way to access the content, moreso than the paizo site as it currently is. I looked at and it seems practically all of it is OGC 1.0a 'cept the lore and trademarked stuff.

I noticed there's already a couple articles like Pathfinder Race: Dwarf, but I bring this to you for three big questions. Mainly, does this seem like a good idea to you? Obviously I'm pretty biased, but Pathfinder's like a beautiful 3.6e. Putting this up would be useful to me, even if few others.

Secondly, and pretty similarly, does my interpretation of the license check out, is it suitable to put up on dandwiki in a big way? The license page linked applies to the core rulebook and the other paizo supplement books, so it's the whole kit 'n kaboodle.

Thirdly, should it all check out, I propose a simple namespacing system similar to the SRD - Simply putting all pathfinder articles in a "Pathfinder: ..." namespace, putting things like (Pathfinder Spell) when article names conflict (Such as in SRD:Fly and SRD:Fly (3.5e Spell)). Of course a lot of pathfinder terms are very similar to SRD terms, so there'd be a large increase in disambiguation pages for standard classes and feats.

Thanks kindly, it's a big thingy, but it'd be nice to do big helpful contributing instead of just a meany destroy man. --SgtLion (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2014 (MST)

I think that this is a great idea. I would start using Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook as the main page, with a suitable namespace for all the pages. I agree that it is a great idea to have pathfinder on D&D Wiki, and while working on this project keep in mind the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Conversion Guide and Category:Pathfinder. The license is fine to transcribe, and there are articles too which would be great to place within the pathfinder ruleset– for example Coin Golem (3.5e Creature). Thus, an organizing structure for the content would be great (not just for the rulebook). --Green Dragon (talk) 04:06, 9 January 2014 (MST)
I believe the accepted abbreviation for the Pathfinder SRD is PFSRD, if that helps. --Ganre (talk) 09:44, 10 January 2014 (MST)
Sounds a reasonable enough abbreviation. I'll transcribe a few entries, use Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook as a central hub of links to them, put 'em all in Category:Pathfinder, and hopefully have an idea as to how to structure it all properly~ --SgtLion (talk) 11:45, 10 January 2014 (MST)
I can help with some of the transcription if you would like. I have the PFPhB, so i could help there. Do we want to use the same formatting standards as 3.5e, or should we have some minor differences to help with telling the difference between 3.5e and PF without looking at namespace, kind of like 4.0 vs 3.5. If I remember correctly, the graphs in PF are blueish green instead of tan. Also, do you want to treat it like a separate game (e.g. D&D, D20 Modern, Pathfinder) or as a "3.75e" (2.5e, 3.5e, PF, 4e). Personally, I propose the former. --Salasay Δ 13:34, 12 January 2014 (MST)
Yay, exciting, goodcool people who are able and willing~. Different formatting scheme would probably be good, not that I currently have any idea how to set that up. And agreed, it should be treated as a separate system, as that's technically what it is. --SgtLion (talk) 15:42, 12 January 2014 (MST)
Blue Dragon could probably help with the formatting change for pathfinder. We should check what the formatting is in the books and try to copy it. I think it would require programing in a new table system for PF, but I have no clue. If its goin to be its own system, it needs its own menu tab thing on the left side of the page. --Salasay Δ 19:48, 12 January 2014 (MST)
For the formatting you just have to change MediaWiki:Common.css by adding a table, etc. See also Help:Table. When it is more complete it can be given its own area. If you need an "official" PFSRD namespace, then contact Blue Dragon and he can add it (so it can be found with searches, etc). --Green Dragon (talk) 11:31, 13 January 2014 (MST)
I was wrong. The tables are no fill and have no lines vertical lines at all. The horizontal lines are brown, and the bottom line and the line under the table headers are thicker.--Salasay Δ 13:43, 18 January 2014 (MST)
I am looking at some Pathfinder books and I cannot seem to find the tables that you are referring to. See also File:Pathfinder Table Example 1.png and File:Pathfinder Table Example 2.png. Those tables are not too difficult to create, if that is what is needed. Let me know if those are the tables that needs to be created, or supply an image of what you are talking about. --Green Dragon (talk) 15:03, 18 January 2014 (MST)
Yeah, that what I was trying to describe. I'm just really bad at describing it. Yeah, pic 2 looks about right. --Salasay Δ 22:42, 18 January 2014 (MST)
Okay, now you have a pathfinder table. I was a little uncertain of the column spacing, especially since it seems like Paizo stretched the tables across columns. I am also not sure how to make the table designator padded, and if you know how let me know please. In addition it seems like Paizo changed the borders between the column designators and the columns, but I am not sure how to do this either.
table designator
column designator (row start) column designator (in-line row) column designator (in-line row)
column (row start) column (in-line row) column (in-line row)
column (row start) column (in-line row) column (in-line row)
  1. Any notes that the table requires
  2. More notes
Let me know if there is anything that is wrong with it. --Green Dragon (talk) 05:04, 19 January 2014 (MST)
Wowie, we got pretty tables~ Looks good, and, obviously, very appropriate. :3 --SgtLion (talk) 07:04, 19 January 2014 (MST)
Great! just going to point out that if you look at the fighter page, the bottom lines for 13, 16, and 19 are dark, but aren't supposed to be. What is causing that, you think? Also, in the book table designators look more like an ununderlined heading 3 (=== might be describing that wrong).
A note on individual class tables: the saves are formatted as "Fort Save" with out the super column. As far as padding, i have no clue how to do it but saves and "Base Attack Bonuse" are always wrapped so that each word is on a different line. Spells per day n' stuff, however, is a supercolumn but isn't underlined. Ill go mess with the preload, see what happens.
Table: The Class
column (row start) column (in-line row) column (in-line row) column (in-line row)
column (row start) column (in-line row) column (in-line row) column (in-line row)
  1. Any notes that the table requires
  2. More notes

Abandoned D&D pages[edit]

Green Dragon if a Dnd class is marked as abandoned are we free to edit it? I would assume yes but i wanted to make sure, also if yes how we mark the page as not abandoned because the page says it will be deleted if not. I'm also sorry if the question's answer is obvious im kind of new to dnd in all let alone just the wiki. thank you

If it isn't marked protected, you can make constructive edits. If it is abandoned, feel free to adopt the article and change it as you see fit. --Ganre (talk) 14:54, 27 March 2014 (MDT)

Helpers, part >2[edit]

So, I was wondering if it would be possible to get an advertisement for the Helpers Page put up on the main page. I kind-of want to get more people onto the page. In addition, I was wondering if there was a way I could view the users of the wiki by edit count. That would help in actively recruiting people for the page. Sorry for starting another thread, but the other(s) is buried in the archives.

Special:ActiveUsers shows edit count for everyone over the last 30 days, but its in alphabetical order rather than count order. Marasmusine (talk) 15:46, 27 March 2014 (MDT)

Genasi's Picture[edit]

Hello! This is a great wiki, and I know you're going for accuracy. Just wanted to let you know the appearance image used for Genasi is an npc from an mmo called Mabinogi, and not an Air Genasi. Would be great if you could change it to an appropriate image for Genasi, thanks!


Good catch on the machine going crazy. I don't have a clue why it changed the combat table at all, since I didn't touch that section. I noticed someone changed the identify and analyze deweomer sections and I was shifting them back to what they were. I didn't notice it messing with the tables. Tivanir (talk) 09:06, 4 June 2014 (MDT)

Think I figured it out. I don't think the cache was clearing correctly so I went in and manually cleared it. I think I am seeing things correctly now. Tivanir (talk) 09:20, 4 June 2014 (MDT)
Good to know your mistake instead of something else. I know about the error! I let Blue Dragon about this problem, as well as some "Guru Mediation" error that I am getting, but he has not gotten back to me yet. I told him there is an error with saving and refreshing pages. It is good to know that I am not the only one with this error. --Green Dragon (talk) 09:28, 4 June 2014 (MDT)
Its fine I just need to check my other recent edits and make sure that nothing else started going insane. Tivanir (talk) 09:38, 4 June 2014 (MDT)

3.5 to 4e?[edit]

Hi Green Dragon. I play 4th Edition D&D, and I noticed a real lack of items, and generally, lack of everything in the 4e Homebrew section. I was wondering if I could take some of the entries on the 3.5e Homebrew and OGL and adjust them to work in 4e. Would I have to give credit to any original author listed?

Sorry in advance for the advise ninja-ing, GD. I think that it would be fine, but tell the author in case s/he wants to be involved. I think giving credit would be optional, but linking to the original page would be a must. --Salasay Δ 20:13, 8 June 2014 (MDT)
That would be great! Ya, a link to the original page is fine since it has a history and also so users know where the idea is based off. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:21, 9 June 2014 (MDT)


Is there an official policy on illustrations here?

Yes. It is more detailed on Category:Candidates for Deletion. If this does not answer your question, let me know please. --Green Dragon (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2014 (MDT)


Is there an official policy on illustrations here?--Sir Dinadan

Sorry. I didn't mean to ask the same question twice. Recommend this be deleted.

4e Race Standards[edit]

Discussion has been moved to Talk:4e Race Preload#4e Race Standards. --Green Dragon (talk) 10:04, 14 June 2014 (MDT)

Protected Edit Request[edit]

Not sure how close an eye you guys keep on Category:Needs Admin so I thought I'd mention this here as well. I went ahead and forked the page MSRD:Feats and made some changes to it in my userspace. I'd like to request that those changes be added back to the original article. You can find my merge request here. Zell Faze (talk) 08:56, 22 July 2014 (MDT)

Thanks! If there are any other MSRD pages which need to be updated you may either do the same as you did here, or let me know in advance and I can give you administrator rights for a limited time. --Green Dragon (talk) 14:11, 22 July 2014 (MDT)

Site Change Question[edit]

Since my last bout of activity, I've noticed a few changes. Obviously the vandalism is bad, but I wonder what change led to us no longer being able to access stuff such as individual user's edit counts? I ask because I like to give out The Tireless Contributor Barnstar and Working Man Barnstar. I was trying to go through and reup on what I've missed and give props where its due to those users, but not having that one feature severely limits said ability. Perhaps its just that only admins now have access to such (which would be understandable I suppose), but it seems to be gone entirely. Was this a mediawiki update or does it serve some higher purpose (like how I also see we can no longer see at the bottom how many page views a page has, but I saw your note about changing that to help out other areas).   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   22:51, 30 August 2014 (MDT)

Additional note: Could potentially be beneficial to add a meta page that lists all Barnstars/Awards and what they can be given for. I say this because during my time trying to reward individuals, I came across some that have only been given out once and don't have really clear prerequisites for grants: i.e. Da Vinci barnstar, FreeDoc Barnstar, etc. Mostly I'm trying to pat people on the back, but don't know which to use given context.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   22:55, 30 August 2014 (MDT)
A category for various barnstars can be found at Category:Barnstar Recognition.
Yes, vandalism is bad and please feel free to help wherever you are able to. An active and supporting userprofile is a prerequisite for adminship, for example.
The updates to MediaWiki relate to the various other things that you are referring to, and the amount of edits attributed to your account can be found in your preferences. --Green Dragon (talk) 00:39, 31 August 2014 (MDT)
Ah, well still neat to be able to see own count but that makes it impossible for regular users to reward certain barnstars (though that may be better, really).   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   17:35, 31 August 2014 (MDT)

Revampled non-OGL content[edit]

Ech, just came across Shapeshift_Druid_Variant_(PHB2)_2.0_(3.5e_Class), it's openly based on, and incredibly similar to, the Druid variant from PHB II. PHB II isn't OGL though, so I ain't sure where this article lies in terms of legitimacy. I beseech your input on this matter. Also a shame it wasn't picked up on earlier, as the creator seems to have put some fair amount of work in. Thankee~ --SgtLion (talk) 14:17, 12 September 2014 (MDT)

Intellectual property laws state that the revision has to be un-similair to a successful extent. Do you think that this page is different enough, and if it is not it needs to be deleted (I don't have the PHB 2 with me right now). --Green Dragon (talk) 03:17, 13 September 2014 (MDT)
There's like, 50% more content than the original, and a majority of paragraphs are changed in both wording and mechanics. In my unprofessional opinion, I'd say it's different to some meaningful degree, so I guess I'll leave it for now. Thanks kindly --SgtLion (talk) 07:17, 13 September 2014 (MDT)
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