# User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 21

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## DPL Problem

Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --Axl 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --Green Dragon 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --Axl 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
Ya, no problem. --Green Dragon 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

## The Site Crashed

How long are it going to be like this?

Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts. Thanks,

--Axl 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

## File Problems

Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.

"Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?

While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. ThatGuyEli 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable. Is this an internal problem? --Akherontis 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --Vrail 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --Green Dragon 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --Axl 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --Axl 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --Axl 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
Images and uploading are now working. --Green Dragon 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Wiki troubles

I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? JazzMan 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? JazzMan 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will this link help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --Badger 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine — Template:Spell?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --Green Dragon 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --Badger 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? JazzMan 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
When you say "Semantic stuff isn't working either" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --Green Dragon 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like [[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]], but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. JazzMan 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --Green Dragon 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.
$F = (\frac{3.439*10^-8 ft^3}{slug*seconds^2})(\frac{4.10*10^23 slugs*.031 slugs}{20,931,758.5 ft^2}) = 1 \frac{foot*slug}{second^2} = 1 lb$
As shown there for an example. --Vrail 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

## DPLs again?

Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the 4e Powers. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --Axl 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --Green Dragon 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing it! --Axl 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --Green Dragon 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my sourcebook), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --Axl 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --Axl 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Can any of you fix this? When I try Add new Equipment, It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --Axl 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

The link you provided is for adding 3.5e Equipment. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --Badger 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --Green Dragon 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on this page. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --Badger 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --Axl 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

## Tables aren't working

Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --Axl 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Kind of. They use Template:d20 which uses vardefine, which is not working. --Green Dragon 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Would you mind if I used the top template on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --Vrail 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Of course, please feel free. --Green Dragon 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

## Strange bug

I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page DnD Archetype Feats (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --Vrail 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --Axl 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
Does this still happen? --Green Dragon 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Moving DnD pages to 3.5e

Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to this list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D

There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --Vrail 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

## Categories

Hey Green Dragon,

I noticed in the Candidates for Deletion category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --Axl 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. JazzMan 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
Okay. --Axl 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

## Sourcebooks

Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --Axl 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

3.5e_Sourcebooks. JazzMan 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --Badger 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --Badger 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks.
--Axl 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

## A race I posted

I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Firerush (talkcontribs) . Please sign your posts!

Fixed. You needed to add Category:Race. JazzMan 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

## VariablesExtension

I took the liberty of making Template:Spell not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —edwin 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

I noticed your edits on Template:Spell. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example Template:d20 is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or Template:Weapon Stats2 which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --Green Dragon 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. JazzMan 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
Vardefine is working once again. --Green Dragon 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Category DnD

Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --Vrail 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with Category:DnD have Category:3.5e (which are for 3.5e) with all Category:4e pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --Green Dragon 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

## Powers

Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's Powers don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --Axl 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. JazzMan 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. This link shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --Badger 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
The old DPL's are working once again as well. --Green Dragon 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Items

Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items? --Axl 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

## Server Error

Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --Vrail 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working. --Green Dragon 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --Green Dragon 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Sourcebook Categories

Hey Green Dragon? My sourcebook weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the 4e Homebrew. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --Axl 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote here, or what I wrote here. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --Badger 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with Vrail somewhere on this talk page. --Axl 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
The section's called D&D 4e Future. --Axl 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add [[Category:4e_Future]] to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line |category:4e_Future and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e.
What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --Badger 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
I was told to use the category: 4e. --Axl 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --Axl 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --Badger 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
So, how do you make a sub-category? --Axl 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

## is there a way to delete a page?

I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?

Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it.   14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --Vrail 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing why it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --Vrail 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? Special:ListAdmins was used on Meta Pages to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --Green Dragon 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. :) Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the Special:ListAdmins page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --Vrail 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --Green Dragon 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link Template:AdminBadge. --Vrail 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --Green Dragon 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

## More broken wiki

I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7. They are all like that. JazzMan 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --Green Dragon 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)

## Xenophon's RfA

I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --Vrail 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

I re-did that section of Requests for Adminship. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done — that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --Green Dragon 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

## author template

I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author

Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:

{{author
|[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])
|date_created= 07/28/10
|status= Incomplete
}}


but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.

I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great. thanks, josh

The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.
{{author
|author_name=Mercurious
|date_created= 07/28/10
|status= Incomplete
}}

JazzMan 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, Jazzman!

Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --Axl 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --Green Dragon 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'll get right on it then. --Axl 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --Axl 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Looking at Enchanter Powers (4e Power List), for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like |rowcolformat. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is Featured Articles, where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --Green Dragon 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the Fell Knight's powers, it's going wacky. --Axl 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --Axl 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

## Kobold's

While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots.

Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes.

I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master.

Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work. --Milo High-Hill 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

I believe what you are referring to is this: (Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!). However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. :) --Vrail 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --Milo High-Hill 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

## Speedy Deletion Template

So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --Badger 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea to me. --Axl 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. Here it is. --Badger 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)

## Plz Help

I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter. --Dragoona22 23:37, 19 August 2010

From what I can tell you are talking about your red mage class. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --Badger 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)

## Also...

Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you. --Dragoona22 23:53, 19 August 2010

## My RfA

Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found here. Thanks. --Vrail 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)

I was just recomended by Badger to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. :) --Vrail 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)
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