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Druid and Animal Companion[edit]

Hallo, ConcealedLight - I was heavily drunk last night, and one sideways down and I slept through like five hours or so. Sorry for my abrupt AFK moments.

I saw your comments on my druid-with-animal-companion archetype, and yes, I do agree what you meant there. Well, one of my players kept pointing out the concern I told you, and I thought it was quite legit. (I won't delve into too deep, but this particular player kept insisting that he should have a tyrannosaurus rex as an animal companion. I didn't go farther than "Look, I'm the DM here.") Thanks for the input!

Oh, and this particular archetype is here on D&D Wiki - it's Circle of the Wildlife. If you have any further comments and suggestions, please feel free to leave them on this article's talk page. Again, thanks for the input, it helped me very much. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2017 (MDT)

No problem Weirdo glad I could help. ConcealedLight (talk) 23:03, 26 August 2017 (MDT)

Thanks for the comment! I moved your comments to the Talk page of the article and added my comments. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 06:07, 27 August 2017 (MDT)

D&D Wiki plays...Diplomacy?[edit]

You're invited!Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 18:57, 19 October 2017 (MDT)


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Here's a totally on-time not-rushed barnstar to thank you for the new logo and for forgiving me for my thoughtlessness! You rock :D --GamerAim Chatmod.png (talk) 16:07, 24 October 2017 (MDT)

Machinamancer and Spells[edit]

Hey Concealed,

I was told that you would be able to help me. I've recently uploaded a class and some spells that we use in our D&D campaigns. However, it would be nice to get opinions/balance changes. I was told to post it like this with links below.


Spells: They are all under Wizard and being with "Leonardo's..." or "Viktor's..." There is one Cleric Spell -

I hope this is correct? If there's anything I need to do or change, let me know and thank you in advance for any help!

Xernvis and balance[edit]

Hey ConcealedLight,

Thanks for the information! I'm glad to take in any criticism to my race and have been editing the power (and grammar) of the race.

I agree that my race was a tad bit too powerful, and I was thinking of solutions on how to balance said race. I've done some edits, and if possible, can you look at the race again and leave a comment on the discussion page? I'd like to make this race a possible race that anyone can use without being powerful or confusing.

Please do contact me if anything arises, thank you for reading this. Mano (talk) "I swear each performance is the last, but I lie every time." -Khada Jhin (talk) 10:28, 16 December 2017 (MST)

Yup, you are definitely moving it in the right direction. However, you should still read the Race Design Guide as I've said previously. If you do you'll find a number of things that this race does that aren't allowed such an indefinite scaling on healing, having traits that grant advantage, etc. I'll keep an eye on things till you've fixed these up. ConcealedLight (talk) 15:32, 16 December 2017 (MST)
Hey, thanks for the response Concealed. I'll definitely read the article and balance the race accordingly, Let me know if I messed up anywhere and thank you for the extended help. " I swear each performance is the last, but I lie every time." -Khada Jhin (talk) 19:13, 16 December 2017 (MST)
I've reviewed and tweaked the race so it is now balanced and also sorted out some wording errors. The rest is up to you to make sure the history, naming and general flavour of the class really comes through to those viewing it. I've left some comments on it which is something I'm not really supposed to do but I felt that they would help you the most. Also, to sign your user page you do "~" four times, your not really suppose to sign it with a quote :P ConcealedLight (talk) 23:14, 17 December 2017 (MST)
Hey thanks again! Sorry about the signature stuff, still new but still learning. (teehee) Ill touch up the race again, and hopefully, it passes. Also, should my signature just be my name? Thanks for the hard work and help! Mano (talk)

These changes are suitable. All that I see that is left is really just nitpicky stuff with only really one actual issue left.

  • Double the number of names for them.
  • I'd add in somewhere that their eye power was most likely bestowed upon the race by an artifact or divine being as simply just the act of war doesn't grant such powers, even in a fantasy setting, however, this should be worded in a way that makes it an unknown to even the race themselves.
  • Under the description for the eclipse eyes, they do have limits so saying they don't, does not work.
  • Know that I removed the whole, removing their eyes and putting them into other creatures to gain their powers thing because of it super niche, has the potential to unbalance other races and should only really be done by the DM. For example, I've created an NPC human got drow eye transplants in one of my current campaigns, however, I wouldn't let on of my players just go off and do that.

Lastly depending on how many "~" you add differant things come up. For example:

  • 3: ConcealedLight (talk) - Just your user name, people don't use this much.
  • 4: ConcealedLight (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2017 (MST) - What all messages should be signed with. Username and day signed.
  • 5: 02:58, 18 December 2017 (MST) - Just the date this message was added, normally used for deletion reports.

Hope that helps. ConcealedLight (talk) 02:58, 18 December 2017 (MST)

I see, thanks for the feedback. I've touched up the race again, changing some information. I was keeping to the eyes being able to be extracted from the host because I feel like in most scenarios, this would happen. Big game hunters would be paid to get the eyes due to their uniqueness, but I did remove the fact that the eyes can be implanted for the powers. I stuck to the idea of them being used for beauty, on a desk or in an office in a jar. Other than that, I think that's all. Thanks for the hard work, Concealed! Mano (talk) 11:15, 18 December 2017 (MST)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been slapped around a bit with a large trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

The {{trout}} template is meant to be placed on talk pages, not on user pages. Sorry if that wasn't clear. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 11:42, 27 December 2017 (MST)

Aight, must have missed that, thanks. However, know that I will now watch you like a hawk for my chance to trout you back... ConcealedLight (talk) 20:38, 27 December 2017 (MST)

Eh, Heh[edit]

I noticed you putting a couple 5e race pages through the Musicus Meter. ...On the off-chance you're on a quest to do all of them in alphabetical order, I'd just like to apologize in advance for Phoelarch (5e Race) and Tsukumogami (5e Race), in particular. >.> Knowlessman (talk) 09:05, 21 January 2018 (MST)

Understandable have a nice day. ConcealedLight (talk) 10:51, 21 January 2018 (MST)
I would also like to ask that when you do get to them, you consider not completely removing every aspect of them that's hard to balance just because it doesn't fit into the Procrustean Bed of said meter. :/ Knowlessman (talk) 08:18, 23 January 2018 (MST)
Fear not Knowlessman. I've looked them over and they only require minor edits which I will communicate on their respective talk pages. If you'd like I could leave those comments once I'm finished up with my more immediate edits? ConcealedLight (talk) 16:56, 23 January 2018 (MST)


Seems how your message didn't pertain the meter I figured I'd take to your talk page to respond, would hate for my language to end up in the wrong place again. (referencing Geo's RfA and calling me out to be some sort of cursing sailor)
I cannot check Discord for another 4 hours. The pitchfork was not my own but handed to me. I kept focus on the meter, but was asked for examples of the issue. I am not familiar with Geo conducting himself the same way as you, although Umbra has named him. I said I don't feel good about the witch hunt, I meant it. So please, put your feelings aside on that as I not trying to make that personal. How have I been dragging you through the mud repeatedly? I used the expression because of 4 examples, again, I was asked to provide. My purpose has been the appropriate use of the meter, not you. I understand you've put a lot work into it, but I have not been attacking you, so please, explain the behavior policy I've violated. It also seems pretty cheap to do that. I've had disagreements with others, which were settle and not once did someone start citing rules. I strongly, oh so strongly, willing to bet my retirement that this could not had been settled by contacting you based on:

  • conduct with me on the aurochs page
  • conduct with others in the examples provided
  • conduct with me and Umbra on Geo's RfA (you boasted about applying the template, and told me to prepare myself because sad news was you weren't going to stop)

So, after things were brought to your attention on the wiki, it wasn't good enough because it wasn't on the Discord? Not everyone uses that or uses it regularly. and when you aren't happy with me, I am pinged by another user on Discord. To which someone else intervenes, aka nothing settled by us. which by your comment on Musicus Meter, I've been pinged again I assume.
I do not ignore my own stubbornness with Auroch page, which I lead with it and was honest. I do not ignore my persistence on the issue of the meter being used appropriately. I would however say that I can cooperate pretty reasonably with others (multiple career fields require it of me >.<)
I'd like to quote that I've been accused of "violated the behavioural policy on the wiki through your regular and incessant comments", "ranting about it in a largely aggressive and rude way", & using inappropriate language. I don't know how you intend to settle disputes with these sorts of comments (another reason I highly doubted contacting you would solve anything). If your curious about me airing this on your page instead of Discord, well, returning the favor for the way you speak of me and it was your request. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 10:55, 23 January 2018 (MST)

Your perception of events has been noted. --ConcealedLight (talk) 16:57, 24 January 2018 (MST)
Good talk. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 19:07, 24 January 2018 (MST)
BigShotFancyMan, when you violate the Help:Warning Policy your edit will be censored and you will get a warning. The phrase "don't want to drag you through the mud" is like saying "I don't want to discredit you,..." which seems harmless. I don't consider it a warning. --Green Dragon (talk) 22:30, 24 January 2018 (MST)
Thanks for clarifying. The way that started I got a little worried. BigShotFancyMan (talk) 23:48, 24 January 2018 (MST)


Hello ConcealedLight, I just wanted to thank you for helping me to balance some of my races such as the Chibido (5e Race) and other such races. I even believe with all of the work you do you should be an administrator but that if from the talk of a lowly content creator :3. Keep up the good work! --Cotsu Malcior (talk) 12:39, 9 February 2018 (MST)

Nice to hear such praise from another active contributor such as yourself, its no problem really. I may run for admin some time in the future but I want to get some more major achievements and time under my belt before I do so. Also, if you want to run anything by me in terms of races or maybe something else drop me a message here. In addition, if you would like to change any of the fluff about the Chibido (5e Race) feel free too as I recall some issues taken with the current revision. --ConcealedLight (talk) 11:17, 9 February 2018 (MST)


Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been slapped around a bit with a large trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

I'm not sure how this template works because this isn't Wikipedia and I neither like nor use this template (except for me using it right now), but I'm here to slap you with a trout for your slapping of DraconicMan with a trout. Though DraconicMan has sometimes acted inappropriately, I've always found his concerns to be largely, if not wholly, valid and do not think that he "did something silly" by communicating his displeasure with Geodude671. And I especially do not think that doing so against "the opinion of the collective on a wiki is trout worth." So, consider yourself slapped :) --GamerAim Chatmod.png (talk) 14:39, 12 February 2018 (MST)

So can I trout you back for disagreeing with those points? ;) --ConcealedLight (talk) 15:09, 12 February 2018 (MST)

Alexander II Colonel Hat.png Right! Stop that!

It's far too silly!

Don't take this too seriously. Another user just wants you to know something you said crosses their boundaries of sensibility.

This is quickly getting out of hand; no more trouting each other for trouting someone. — Geodude671 Chatmod.png (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 20:28, 12 February 2018 (MST)

Warforged, 2nd Variant[edit]

Hey bud, appreciate you being willing to take a look over my rendition of the race. I noticed you left a balance note, but I could not find any new form of criticism on the related talk page. If possible please let me know which features you felt were poorly worded and why and help me figure out what parts are out of realm of balanced still. I have invested a lot of my time and energy into this project and greatly appreciate that you are even willing to try and help. --Gr7mm Bobb (talk) 19:55, 15 February 2018 (MST)

Look at the other two links I've given, read through those. In specific regard to the wording of traits, the Musicus Meter (5e Guideline) lists all of them in the correct wording with the correct site formatting. So if you looked through it and compared "The Right Nudge. A tactician starts with the guidance cantrip." to the correct way its suppose to be written, "You know the guidance cantrip. Intelligence is your spellcasting ability for it." you'd come out with the correct wording. For those traits that aren't in there by reading through it and getting an understanding of how traits are structured, you can see how they are meant to be written and improve. --ConcealedLight (talk) 04:25, 16 February 2018 (MST)

Seductress (5e Class)[edit]

Greetings, salutations, hello!

OH NO! I don't know what I did, but the formatting under the Quick Start is all kinds of janky! Can you help? Also, any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated as this is my first attempt at making my own class. Thank you in advance and if there's a better person to ask, please let me know! Thanks again, Pandora

Typically I work on races but yeah I can help. I will look at this class later. In the meantime look through the help portal and read up on how to use the site and preferably read the 5e Class Design Guide. --ConcealedLight (talk) 01:37, 26 February 2018 (MST)
I've given it a look through and fixed the formatting issues. The issues was a missing "}}" at the bottom of the table and that you'd put the fields inside of the encoded comment field, this, "<!-- -->". Anything inside of them will not turn up on the page. As for general comments goes I'm a little bit uncomfortable with such a class on the wiki and I'm pretty sure we have a policy that means this kind of class should be marked as mature. Looking at it solely from a class perspective I'd say it needs clarifications and links to actual defined in-game mechanics as many features don't define if they require an action or otherwise to use, require a long rest to use again or otherwise, are linked to a resource like spellcasting or an ability score, etc. There is also more specific issues like the class referring to its own spellcasting DC but at nowhere does the class specify it having one or Aura of Enchantment being redicously strong in its current vague state, linking it to a reaction and a resource like charisma modifier would make it more acceptable. It is the standard for Extra Attack to be a 5th level ability so it should be moved there. The wording gets more and vaguer and not really relevant the further down the class you go ending with the ultra-vague, "Otherwise, you have a perfectly good minion you can use in whatever way you please". Looking at it from one perspective you could say its just fluff but from another, it could be an attempt at mechanics which aren't defined in the ability itself other then make a wisdom save so these need to be tightened up and distinguished throughout. --ConcealedLight (talk) 05:30, 26 February 2018 (MST)
Thank you so much! Seeing little things like that isn't easy for me as my brain likes to move things around.

I really appreciate your feedback and will mark it for mature content as soon as I find out how :) Thank you for your suggestions, I was getting a little burnt out as I was working on it and will definitely add more mechanical information. Never mind on the mature content, it has been done. I found the template, went to add it, and there it was. Thank you again, Pandora

Faerie Dragon (5e Race)[edit]

I disagree with most of your assertion that the race is unbalanced just because it uses abilities (weakened, mind) that the MM race uses. Especially since, according to the Musicus meter, the race is underpowered when compared to the core races. I did change the Euphoric Breath to once per rest rather than on a recharge, as I was concerned about that specifically when I made the race, but I don't believe it needs to be changed otherwise. If you want to discuss why you feel it's overpowered, there's a talk page on the race. Please use that.--Busterwilde3 (talk) 09:56, 27 February 2018 (MST)

See the talk page. --ConcealedLight (talk) 10:17, 27 February 2018 (MST)
I still disagree with your original rating. The meter is only good for judging what's standard. Once you start using modified and non-standard stuff, it quickly breaks down. And since I'm here, I want to add: don't assume anyone is just going to take you at your word. That's condescending, and then saying they refuse to acknowledge you when they ask for clarification on your stance is just plain rude. Explain what you mean beforehand next time and you'll avoid unnecessary drama.--Busterwilde3 (talk) 11:14, 27 February 2018 (MST)
I've answered the concerns you had with the rating and redone the rating for the changes you've made on the page. There was a recent decision in regards to the meter that makes applying meter ratings to the talk pages where the creator didn't give consent or you are not a primary contributor against the use of the meter so while you may have viewed it as condescending or rude know that it isn't my intention and I am simply attempting to do what is requested by the administration. Finally, in regards to the changes you've made they take the race a better step in the right direction, however, it still isn't balanced by meter standards or comparatively to the first party races. Once again I'll ask you refrain from removing templates on pages that still have concerns until a consensus is reached between all party's this is a wiki after all. --ConcealedLight (talk) 11:36, 27 February 2018 (MST)
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