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Image File Deletion[edit]

I had uploaded some images I had thought to be public domain or free-to-use, Upon further review I'm no longer certian that is the case. Therefore, i as that the following image files be deleted in order to err on the side of caution: File:4thunderborn.jpg, File:ThCA3EHDI1.jpg, File:Th.jpg, File:PapelDeParedeAnjoDeFogo.png. Thankyou, --Elohim (talk) 16:50, 24 July 2014 (MDT)

Thank-you. The first was from Angry Warrior (Bigzur), the second is copyright by aditya777 on deviantart, and the last by Imaliea on deviantart. You can still use external links to display images under copyright if the size of the original is appropriate. I couldn't find the Angry Warrior image without the game title in it. However, here are links to the thumbnails on deviantart. If you use them, please attribute the artist in the caption.

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/f/2010/208/9/8/Ai_28072010_by_aditya777.jpg Ai_28072010_by_aditya777.jpg http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/200H/i/2014/099/2/3/those_who_favour_fire_by_imaliea-d4d71gk.jpg those_who_favour_fire_by_imaliea-d4d71gk.jpg

Marasmusine (talk) 01:30, 25 July 2014 (MDT)

Thank you. What about the other one? File:Th.jpg
Here is where i found it. http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8p8H39JTCUUAVwqJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIzZmhqcGoyBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAMwYmU5N2I1NTNiNGE2ZjE4MzM2Mzg4NzM2YmJjNGRkYQRncG9zAzMwBGl0A2Jpbmc-?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dpublic%2Bdomain%2Bfantasy%2Bart%2Bwarrior%2Bwomen%26n%3D60%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dhp-pvdt%26fr2%3Dsb-top%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D30&w=1680&h=1050&imgurl=www.desktopas.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F06%2FFantasy-Art-Fantasy-Girls-1680x1050.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.desktopas.com%2Ffantasy-art-fantasy-girls-16801050.html&size=1161.3KB&name=%3Cb%3EFantasy%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EArt%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EFantasy%3C%2Fb%3E+Girls+1680%C3%971050+Wallpaper&p=public+domain+fantasy+art+warrior+women&oid=0be97b553b4a6f18336388736bbc4dda&fr2=sb-top&fr=hp-pvdt&tt=%3Cb%3EFantasy%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EArt%3C%2Fb%3E+%3Cb%3EFantasy%3C%2Fb%3E+Girls+1680%C3%971050+Wallpaper&b=0&ni=384&no=30&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=1209sff32&sigb=14cjqk94c&sigi=12782b4j4&sigt=12321oj7v&sign=12321oj7v&.crumb=rc9qNz9g.QC&fr=hp-pvdt&fr2=sb-top
--Elohim (talk) 16:56, 25 July 2014 (MDT)
Hmm, the yahoo search result is embedded in a way such that I can't drag it into Google Image Search (which is my usual method for finding the original source of a picture), and I get a 404 error if I try to go to desktopas.com (and as is usual from "wallpaper" sites, the owner doesn't care about copyright or attribution). Marasmusine (talk) 02:16, 26 July 2014 (MDT)

items not showing[edit]

I am fairly certain i am doing something wrong, I developed two items (spear of goblin destiny and psionic augment crystals) and neither one is showing in the appropriate list. Any chance you can help? thanks.... --Bucky33 (talk) 20:54, 21 July 2014 (MDT)

They are missing categories. For Spear of Goblin Destiny (3.5e Equipment), you've formatted it as though it's a mundane weapon, which it's not. It's not a full magic weapon though either. I'm going to reformat it and put it at 3.5e Specific Weapons. Marasmusine (talk) 00:55, 22 July 2014 (MDT)
Thanks, I am still learning the wiki style thing

--Bucky33 (talk) 16:44, 22 July 2014 (MDT)

Metamorph class deletion[edit]

I had made some edits to the class to affect balance, also asked on the talk page if the changes were enough. --Elohim (talk) 16:35, 11 June 2014 (MDT)

I'll take another look. Marasmusine (talk) 00:21, 12 June 2014 (MDT)

RockJockey's Edits Explanation[edit]

I left an explanation of my edits on Bladed Magus http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Bladed_Magus_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29 Working on the one for Carpet Wizard.

I am simply trying to balance the kits, however if the original author wishes otherwise, I will forsake my quest. Sincerely, RockJockey

Thank-you! Marasmusine (talk) 01:26, 30 May 2014 (MDT)

Blacklight[edit]

SRD:Blacklight is not actually part of the SRD. I can't fix this because it's protected, like all SRD material. Can you move Blacklight to a non-SRD section? Vadskye (talk)

It seems it is from the Spell Compendium, so I've removed it. Marasmusine (talk) 02:31, 26 March 2014 (MDT)

On uploaded pictures[edit]

Hey, new guy on the wiki ahoy. I've been working on my 3.5e setting (thanks for correcting the name, btw) and when my uploaded pictures failed to load, blamed the interwebs. I just noticed you've been deleting them on basis of copyright violation - oy vey. I'm assuming most of my uploaded images (used in Years of Gold) are in violation too, I'll be looking them through. Sorry for the foolishness and thanks for cleaning up after me :) Cancelion (talk) 10:08, 22 March 2014 (MDT)

On the subject of pictures: how would I go about embedding a picture with an external link? I never edited wiki's before and the tutorials I'm using are way unclear... Cancelion (talk) 11:01, 22 March 2014 (MDT)
I think I got how the images work now. I'll delete the copyright-offending pictures and replacing them with better alternatives. Thanks for your help, you're awesome! Cancelion (talk) 11:20, 22 March 2014 (MDT)

Stupid Question[edit]

I feel pretty dumb having to ask this :I Since it feels like Im one of the people who are constantly complaining about people editing my classes and what-not, but how does one request that a page be locked from editing? lol

Let me know what you would like locking. Marasmusine (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2014 (MST)

Quick Question[edit]

Hello Marasusine, I know that you are quite busy with all the various things you do around the dandwiki and not to mention the rest of your life. But there are several things I would like your opinion on before moving on with them (ie Starting or continuing), and I was wondering how I can make it easier or more convenient for you? --Aitharious (talk) 18:12, 17 December 2013 (MST)
Sure, just point me in the direction of what you would like me to harshly criticize :) Marasmusine (talk) 00:58, 18 December 2013 (MST)
Ok first things first with the regards to the Biotic source power since they don't have weapons how dose this sound (note i'm just copying what was in the disscution but since that also lists the classes it would be hard to find)
since the Biotic classes (in most cases) would have no weapon or implement each time they level they could gain an attribute each level (choses from a list) these possible attributes could have the requirement of past attributes and be specific from either level to level or per tier like feats.
Also here are three creature idea's that in terms of mechanics are unconventional, all of them are on "the new world" page with a brief description of each.
Harbingers Some attack have solder like accuracy with brute like damage and are ranged but these attack deal damage and or weaken themselves.
Destructs Many at-will attacks but they have a cool down to them (Roll a die and that’s how many turns it will take) they may use them pre-emptively but it can disable that attack and or cause damage not to mention an extended cool down.
Vol-Kin When they die they have a chance (and a high one at that) to create a powerful burst attack (1-3 turns after their death) possibly with shrapnel.
--Aitharious (talk) 08:13, 18 December 2013 (MST)

If a class can't benefit from weapons or implements, they could use an inherent bonus. More information on this in DMG2, but basically they would get a +1 bonus to attack and damage rolls made with their powers at levels 2, 7, 12, 17, 22 and 27. You'll also have to give them something to make up for the versatility and customization that magic items bring. You could instead make their attacks Implement, and give them a symbolic implement like the ki focus, or make it similar to grandmaster training or a divine boon (DMG2, again, lots of ideas in there for alternatives to magic items).

The harbringers would be Artillery (accuracy is the same for all roles, see http://blogofholding.com/?p=512 for the "Monster Manual 3 on a business card"). Extra damage in exchange for self-weaken sounds fine to me, those damned Players deserve everything they get.

At-will attacks with a cool-down: why not use Encounter powers with a Recharge? Avoid round-counting.

Vol-Kin: I am all for exploding enemies. Again, to avoid round-counting, the DM can roll a die every turn to see if the corpse explodes. 10+ on a d20 would give you about 1-3 rounds.

Let me know if you need help making their statblocks. Marasmusine (talk) 14:13, 18 December 2013 (MST)

General I will need help editing the stats block but with the deciving harbinger I think i actualy did a pretty good job with the stats but a quick look over it all would be greatly apriciated. --Aitharious (talk) 06:40, 21 February 2014 (MST)

Cool, I'll take a look later today. Marasmusine (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2014 (MST)

Honkhonk[edit]

I'm just gonna take this moment to unnecessarily clutter your talk page and say that you're a pretty chill person and I like the way you think. I do however have nothing vaguely constructive or site-related on my tongue today. --SgtLion (talk) 20:15, 4 January 2014 (MST)

Happy new year! (Unless you're on the Discordian calender or something) Marasmusine (talk) 02:08, 5 January 2014 (MST)
Happy new nondiscordian year~ I'm sure you'd notice and respond if you wanted to anyway, but if you have any thoughts on [[1]], I'd enjoy 'em. --SgtLion (talk) 15:13, 8 January 2014 (MST)

Page-related request[edit]

You recently deleted a page (the Unarmed Fighter class) which I was using for a game and lost in my most recent Chrome restart. Is there any way at all you can find what was there and get me a copy to reference? Also, is there a better way to privately message you or anyone else about this sort of thing?

<Accidental double-post>

I have temporarily restored it, it's at Unarmed Fighter (3.5e Class). When you are on my userpage, you should see a link to the left under "tools" called "Email this user", you can privately contact me or other users this way. Marasmusine (talk) 10:49, 18 January 2014 (MST)

Formatting[edit]

Could you help me clean up the image formatting on User:DigiDuncan/Paradoxes (3.5e Race)? The photo looks weird where it is. I give you free reign to edit that page to your likings.

EDIT: Also, you deleted my deity as well! Right after my race, I swear, you have it out for my campaign! Could you move the old "Barundee (3.5e Deity)" to my userspace, by chance?

You'll find it at User:DigiDuncan/Barundee (3.5e Deity). Is this the right one? It doesn't have any actual content, and your name isn't in the edit history. Marasmusine (talk) 01:08, 5 February 2014 (MST)
-It-may-be-at-Barundee-then,-I-thought-the-content-was-moved.- I would actually cross this out, but HTML doesn't work, so I can't use the <strikethrough> tag.
EDIT: No no no wait, that is the right content! I know I didn't edit it ever, but I was using it in my campaign, and planned to help spruce up the page before it was outright deleted. Thanks for moving it.
You're welcome Marasmusine (talk) 14:26, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Paradoxes Part III: Revenge of the Paradoxes[edit]

Could you look at the Paradox page in my userspace yet again? I'm doing balancing and pretty much changing the entire backstory, and thus many racial changes have occurred and most of the original content from before the pages removal from normal space is either gone or overwritten.

~DigiDuncan! (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2014 (MST)

Pronunciation[edit]

I say your name "mɛr-ɛs-muː-sɪn-e" (mare iss moo sin ay). Is that right? Maybe it's "mɑr ahz mu sin i"? Or maybe "mɑ rɑ smoos een i"? I need help here!

~DigiDuncan! (talk) 09:06, 6 February 2014 (MST) (dih dʒi dən kɪn)

Hahah :) It's muh-raz-muhs with -ine suffix (as though it were a medicine) Marasmusine (talk) 13:54, 6 February 2014 (MST)

City Guide/Generating[edit]

As you can see here at A Magical Medieval City Guide (DnD Other)/Generating, I have redone the horrendous formatting to "Wikify" the article. I am hesitant to remove the "Formatting Issues" template, as I'm not sure if the article still require further edits. Could you please give it a once-over and tell me what, if anything, needs to be altered about the page? Jkat718 P.S. In the future, I would like to fix the other sections of the Magical Medieval City Guide. If you are willing to give it, any help would be greatly appreciated. (talk) 21:07, 6 February 2014 (MST)

So...I just found the actual book A Magical Medieval City Guide, and made it look g as close to the book as I could without it losing the "wiki" feel.
That's good work, it looks fine. A further refinement could be arranging some of the smaller tables into two or three columns (so there's less scrolling). I'll give that a try later. Marasmusine (talk) 01:01, 7 February 2014 (MST)
After much hard work (aka. looking through Wikipedia tutorials) I got three of the Tables to be in the same line. It's less to scroll through, but it doesn't look very good... Maybe if the space in between the tables was reduced? Jkat718 (talk) 23:45, 9 February 2014 (MST)
Hmm, on my screen there's six columns. I'll have a go. Marasmusine (talk) 01:03, 10 February 2014 (MST)
I was talking about tables IV.6, IV.7, and IV.8. The tables in IV.11 are in six columns, yes. Jkat718 (talk) 06:51, 10 February 2014 (MST)
Three columns looks fine. Marasmusine (talk) 07:58, 10 February 2014 (MST)
Thanks. Should I remove the template for Formatting Issues? Jkat718 (talk) 09:59, 10 February 2014 (MST)
Yep! Thanks for your work on that, tables are such a bore. Marasmusine (talk) 11:37, 10 February 2014 (MST)

Race Check[edit]

Can You Look at My 3.5 Race? Lost men (3.5e Race) and maybe my god? DeMon-ic I think I screwed Some thing up on him... And if you have the time Terror Wine this one is !!!SERIOUSLY SCREWED!!! Crazyabe (talk) 21:20, 16 February 2014 (MST)

Okay. Gosh. Not sure where to begin.
That bit at the top of Lost men (3.5e Race) is a template that provides information for the index (it's hidden on the actual page). When you have finished designing your race, you'll need to fill that in. Similarly you'll need to complete the categories at the bottom.
I will leave further feedback in a "needs balance" message on the page itself. Marasmusine (talk) 00:41, 17 February 2014 (MST)

thanks! also feel free to edit, as i am not that good with that stuff. you have FREE REIGN TO EDIT!!!! Crazyabe (talk) 10:42, 17 February 2014 (MST)

Quick Question[edit]

What Do you think a intelligent cactus whould fall under Beast or animate if it was natural? --Crazyabe (talk) 13:16, 20 February 2014 (MST)

You probably want Animate, like a shambling mound. It could be Humanoid like a vine horror if you've got two arms and two legs. It could be Beast if it has an animal shape, and you wanted it to be affected by a Nature skill animal handling check. Marasmusine (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2014 (MST)

junk drop[edit]

I have put a page that deserves to be removed hear --Crazyabe (talk) 15:12, 18 February 2014 (MST) If You didnt get this message I CANT FIGER OUT HOW TO REMOVE THIS PEACE OF JUNK! Kobold Solider

Ataxia II[edit]

I tried your game BUT it had one big problem, !!!computer players never fail!!! Yes thats the problem i had with your game.--Crazyabe (talk) 20:18, 20 February 2014 (MST)

Ha :) It's more the case that they know what order to cast spells in. To cast a difficult Chaos spell, they cast several easier Chaos spells first to raise the local Chaos level. It's been 5 years since I worked on the game, perhaps I should have another look. I know that the game window doesn't fit on smaller screens, so that needs fixing :) Marasmusine (talk) 00:20, 21 February 2014 (MST)

One summoned a fire giant immediately, so ya...--Crazyabe (talk) 11:14, 21 February 2014 (MST)

Maybe it was an illusion. Try using the Disbelieve spell! Of course sometimes they're just lucky. Marasmusine (talk) 13:41, 21 February 2014 (MST)

MY POSTS[edit]

hmm i just saw under your 4e stuff that you have moved some of my things to be under there, are you trying to steal my things?--Crazyabe (talk) 11:30, 2 March 2014 (MST)

For example, with Heart Burst Spider (4e Creature) I rewrote literally every part of it. I want to link to a statblock I wrote. The original concept is yours, of course. I've added a link to your userpage for those items. Marasmusine (talk) 14:37, 2 March 2014 (MST)

Hello Moderator Man[edit]

You might be interested in this: An IP was throwing up multiple ratings on a page, back to back. Talk:Viking_(3.5e_Class). Figured it might do well to report it, in case this is repeated vandalism. Jwguy (talk) 05:54, 14 March 2014 (MDT)

Looks like good faith edits, poor guy couldn't figure out why his comments weren't visible. Marasmusine (talk) 11:29, 14 March 2014 (MDT)

i've done a bad thing[edit]

i've destroyed the page of barbarian, tome while a triying to make better the class and balancing, can you restore that, because i'm a dumb and i don't know how i can fix that T.T

I've reverted it. If you ever need to go back to an earlier revision, click on the "History" tab, then the date of the revision you want to go back to, then "Edit" and save. Marasmusine (talk) 03:34, 18 March 2014 (MDT)

a little help[edit]

Hey man, i'm new i trying to balance barbarian, tome, but it's hard and the dungeon master here wants that balanced on D&D WIKI, to a play barbarian, tome. He respects very hard this site and the classes who's need balance he don't allow to play. can you help me to make this class better balance without withdraw many things or make the class weak ? can you say to me what (in your opinion), i can do ?

thanks for the attention o///////

(sorry for my english)

The Tome classes are not balanced for vanilla D&D. They are part of a sourcebooks created by User:Frank and K, in this case Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook). It has various variant rules and feats work differently. Your DM should look at this to decide if he wants to allow it. I personally have never used them, so I could not say how to balance this barbarian. Anything wrong with using the Barbarian from the Player's Handbook? Marasmusine (talk) 15:33, 18 March 2014 (MDT)

I like to play barbarian but, i thing the basic barbarian isn't very strong than should be, am i wrong? or i missing something ?

Well, it has more hit points and is faster than any other class, and can go into a rage that boosts his Strength and Constitution. Also, no dead levels. That's good, isn't it? Marasmusine (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2014 (MDT)
If it helps, I use Frank and K classes and rules in my own campaign, but with some alterations to make them less cheese and ridiculous, where appropriate. It may not be quite what you're looking for, but see if this barbarian meets your needs. It is essentially the Tome Barbarian, but with some key alterations which give it a few more limitations and detriments to balance its benefits. 24.49.156.145 02:22, 19 March 2014 (MDT)

thanks, it helps me, but my dude will "nerf" in his gam, because he is basically invencible kkkkk thanks for the attention guys you're very cool :)

If it helps, try to point out the following to your gamemaster: Fast Healing is now restricted to raging, and can only heal damage taken while raging. They are no longer immune to critical hits. They do not get the Command feat, but now only get the Leadership feat with the same restrictions. There's more, as well, as I went through and added limits to a number of properties, or re-wrote them for my own campaign. It is true that the class is meant for medium to high power campaigns, but at the same time, this alteration can hardly be called invincible, anymore. Still, best of luck! I hope it helps, some! Jwguy (talk) 17:57, 22 March 2014 (MDT)

Picture Content Question[edit]

Hey, Hey, Mr. Moderator Man. Can you point me to any and all standing policies on content for pictures that would be related to the inclusion of nudity or similar subjects? I know we reserve a template in order to warn persons if imagery is used that is questionable, as it was used on Catfolk by Green Dragon, I believe, and that came from another race that got wrapped into my campaign races.

I only have one picture that I recently secured the use of that would really apply. It's tasteful, really, by my own standards and mostly obscured, but considering it has the smallest something of a case of "nip-slip", as the cruder lingo goes, I'm trying to be cautious. Jwguy (talk) 05:50, 27 March 2014 (MDT)

Go for it. I'm personally only concerned about putting down a template for (or just disallowing) pictures that are clearly sexual in nature. GD is the ultimate arbiter though. Marasmusine (talk) 15:40, 27 March 2014 (MDT)

I'm Back![edit]

Hey Marasmusine! I just started up a campaign with a friend of mine and went to show him my class and remembered that there were a few changes that needed to be made since my last login. Life's been progressing further and further into complexity and I've just now found the time to get back into the swing of things and update the Warmage_(4e_Class). I've taken a look at the things you pointed out back in August (it's been too long!) and done some corrections and would love any feedback you have. I'm hoping to do some live testing with this class with my campaign group over the next month or so, so I'll update if I find out it doesn't quite work as well as I'd hoped. Anywho, thought I'd drop you a line and say thanks for all the attention and care you've given my page in my absence! --Biral (talk) 01:31, 7 April 2014 (MDT)

Hi, welcome back, I'll meet you on the warmage talk page... Marasmusine (talk) 05:00, 7 April 2014 (MDT)

About the deletion of Dual Blade 3.5e[edit]

I don't disagree with the deletion of that article, but I am using an edited version of the class for a campaign I'm playing and I need the original class features to continue leveling it up. I was just wondering if it was possible to send me a copy of the old page?

question about previous versions of this wiki[edit]

Hi, first I would like to say sorry if this comes off as a stupid question, but I was wondering if it was somehow possible to access an older version of this wiki that would still have some of the deleted content.

A while ago one of my players were interested in playing the Death Bringer epic class which he found somewhere here. I tried to find it but it seems as though it has been deleted for some reason or another. So I was wondering if it can be found or if my player is just out of luck

I can view or restore deleted pages, I'll see if I can locate it for you. I need the exact page title - was it a 3.5e class (base or prestige?) or a 4e epic destiny? Marasmusine (talk) 14:38, 21 May 2014 (MDT)


It was Death Bringer (3.5e) prestige class for a chaotic evil character if I recall right

Okay, it's back at Death Bringer (3.5e Prestige Class). I will be deleting it again at the end of the week. Marasmusine (talk) 00:51, 22 May 2014 (MDT)

Thank you so much. My player will love this :)

Deity Completeness[edit]

Deities are "complete" even without too much information. If you take the base ones in the PHB as an exmaple, you will see what I mean. Stop adding delete to the deities unless you are 100% sure you know what you are doing. Pantheons should also not be deleted if they relate to a campaign and/or have some deities (e.g. Conni (3.5e Pantheon)‎‎) since many times the pages actually describe a lot about the pantheon on the deity pages under Clergy and Temples, Pantheon, or something. Thank you, just clarifying about the deities.

Another quick note: It has not been discussed that we can delete pages because the issue that another template addresses has not been addressed to my knowledge. The pages that I have seen you apply this "meta" too seem okay since the rules that they use are not even anything related to D&D Mana Kin (3.5e Race) but the shifter pages were taken too far and need some balance work- they do not need to be deleted (maybe abandoned). --Green Dragon (talk) 03:50, 1 June 2014 (MDT)

Thank-you for the information, I shall reconsider. When we discussed classes (and I'm still awaiting a reply from you on the main talk page) you said we should be using updated formatting rather than the PHB formatting, so I am now looking at Deities and Demigods. I am not expecting people to come up with statblocks though.
To be clear, and using your example, you consider Conni II (3.5e Deity) to be perfectly fine? Even though it only has about six sentences, belongs to a deleted campaign, and doesn't explain how it works as a pantheon? How little information is required for the page to be a stub, and how little for it to be a deletion proposal?
With regards the other proposals, we had agreed on some criteria here that something like Mutant (3.5e Race) falls under, but you reverted that too? Marasmusine (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
Also, I do not understand why you reverted my adding Stub and Abandoned to Stranglethorn (3.5e Race). Marasmusine (talk) 03:15, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
Sorry, I forgot to check the Talk:Main Page discussion. I will respond there soon.
Conni II (3.5e Deity), I agree, is the least developed deity in that pantheon. Overall, however, there is no other pantheon on D&D Wiki that 1.1) stresses women's rights and 1.2) addresses conflict in the pantheon with a deity of sexual stress/desire. For this reason I would not delete the patheon. Yes, there are some other deities which treat men as sexual objects in some way on D&D Wiki, but I feel that this pantheon brings new and interesting things to D&D Wiki. Enough to implement into a campaign at least. {{stub}} may be appropriate for it- maybe {{abandoned}} but I feel that {{delete}} is just not appropriate there since there is content on the page.
I will add {{abandoned}} to the mutant since you have a point there. The only reason I removed it was that that page expands my mind and makes me want to implement something like this into my campaign (e.g. each attack a different mutatation- each interation a different mutation.... interesting and fun!!). Note: I pressed "rollback" when I should have just done "undo" and/or changed the edit to {{abandoned}} right away- a stupid mistake on my part.
Sorry! I thought that you had added {{delete}} to Stranglethorn (3.5e Race). I should have checked more carefully, and I have reverted my edit. --Green Dragon (talk) 05:25, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
Clearly I've been trigger-happy in some cases, but with the borderline cases like Conni, I'd prefer if the proposal is discussed on the talk page first. Of course, you have the ultimate veto so I can't complain if that's what you want. Marasmusine (talk) 05:49, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
With all due respect, for what it is worth, and pardon my intrusion into what might well be a private discussion, but I take exception at the idea that we should let standards slide just because the pantheon has a deity that emphasizes women's rights and/or sex as stress relief. I'm all about women's rights and release from taboos that follow open sexuality (to some reasonable social limitations, of course), but using either of those things as a reason to allow any submission to bypass standards is giving partiality based on ideology, and I feel like that is something that is unprofessional and unfair.
If someone was willing to improve the page(s), and bring them up to standards, give them breath and depth, then the proposal to delete the page would no longer be valid, as is the normal procedure. If it were new and had not been given it's proper chance and time, then sure, I'd agree that it would not be right to propose deletion. But in this case, everything around these pages has fallen to being abandoned and/or deleted, and with rather sparse information left enough to do anything with it. Sparing it simply because it embodies an ideology we find familiar or admirable, despite all of the former complaints, is not providing fair or just judgment, is my opinion. Jwguy (talk) 06:36, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
I agree with Jwguy. We can't let something slide on standards just because "there is no other X on D&D Wiki that Y". And again, as Jwguy said, if the page was fleshed out it would be fine. --Salasay Δ 15:37, 2 June 2014 (MDT)
I am not going against any standards. {{delete}} was too harsh for those pages. That is what I am explaining. For example see some of the deities in the PHB.
Vecna in the PHB is 7 sentences. Four (over 0.5 ½ of them) deal with the deities statblock. Otherwise it says
Vecna rules that which is not meant to be known and that which people wish to keep secret. ... He usually appears as a lich who is missing his left hand and left eye. He lost his hand and eye in a fight with his traitorous lieutenant, Kas.
Player's Handbook (3.5e)
So a deity that deals with women's right is okay as a deity, just not as a FA or anything else. The other pages that had {{delete}} added to them were added without a valid reason, and it was not okay. --Green Dragon (talk) 03:53, 3 June 2014 (MDT)
The deletion template does open a discussion on if we should keep an article or not. Some of the articles I tag I personally think are very poor quality, are not going to be improved, and damage the reputation of the wiki: a discussion reaching a concensus can override my opinion. However, we aren't getting to the stage of reaching a concensus if GD is going to exercise his veto. (I'm not saying you shouldn't do this, GD, just saying the talk page might've been better)
With regards page content, newer formatting (e.g. Deities and Demigods) has 7 paragraphs rather than 7 sentences. However, ultimately I'm not that invested in this area, I'll defer to the expectations of people who still run 3.5e. Marasmusine (talk) 05:13, 3 June 2014 (MDT)
Maybe we should start a guidelines discussion on deities with the goals of defining deity guidelines and their integration with the improving, reviewing, and removing article templates.
I agree that the PHB is kinda lacking and not too useable, but if we change our standards than we need to discuss is like I just said.
The other problem with raising the standards is that something like 75% of the deities were created (I think) based off the PHB and are mostly very broad and general. Should we start the deity guidelines discussion? --Green Dragon (talk) 06:19, 3 June 2014 (MDT)
Deities are so difficult to quantify as to what the improving, reviewing, and removing templates' meta mean for these pages. Some deities are so interconnected to other parts of D&D Wiki that their deletion is unwarranted since their pages are not even the main campaign page– in a way.
I am sorry, I was wrong above. We are not asking for the PHB standards here, so that is not acceptable. Your discussion on Talk:4e Race Preload#4e Race Standards has helped me reason out the problem that I am encountering here. You are right, even though a deity may touch an issue like women's rights, it is part of a stand-alone pantheon and it needs more than just this one aspect of it. We are not asking for the Vecna PHB standards here– I apologize for my misunderstanding above. We are asking for the preload standards.
With the races, I was just confused and also have changed my edits.
To clarify: If the deity is part of a larger world than that world many times will cover the aspects that the deity page may not cover, and this information should be taken into consideration for these page's improving, reviewing, and removing template meta.
To clarify: We are asking for the preload standards, not the PHB/3.5e book XX standard, and these page's improving, reviewing, and removing template meta is to the preload. --Green Dragon (talk) 03:54, 24 June 2014 (MDT)

Apocalypse Incarnate[edit]

Hello. I didn't come on the wiki for a couple of months and I noticed the suppression of the Apocalypse Incarnate class. Having adopted the class, it is my duty to make sure it is playable, but it seems I didn't notice it wasn't (I knew it was overpowered, but it seemed like it could make a boss character). Since its suppression is pretty recent, though, I ask you : could you please un-delete it so I can move it to my sandbox? I will improve it from there. Idlem (talk) 11:07, 8 June 2014 (MDT)

Hi Idlem, you'll find it at User:Idlem/Apocalypse Incarnate (3.5e Class). Marasmusine (talk) 01:37, 9 June 2014 (MDT)
Thank you. Idlem (talk) 14:42, 14 June 2014 (MDT)

Deletion of Assassin, Creed Varient (3.5e Prestige Class)[edit]

Hi, you deleted my custom class because there was a "typo in [the] title." I understand that a typo is a problem, but I am curious why the whole class needed to be deleted. Could you have not just fixed the problem? I ask for future reference.

Because as far as I could tell the content was identical to that at Assassin, Creed Variant (3.5e Prestige Class). Marasmusine (talk) 01:29, 15 July 2014 (MDT)
Ah. Then I have a second question. I posted the most recent one because I was unable to locate the original, which I posted last year. Why is Assassin, Creed Variant (3.5e Prestige Class) not showing up on the list of prestige classes when I search for it?
It seems it was missing a few categories, you should see it listed now. Marasmusine (talk) 16:08, 15 July 2014 (MDT)

3.5e Race Mind Leech[edit]

Hi, a few months ago I took interest in the Mind Leech 3.5e race by Salazar666. When I went back to get further notes on it for my co-gms' questions we discovered that it had been deleted a week or two beforehand. And sadly the version that existed at deletion was not recorded on Internet Archive.

The only thing I really need detail on was a single ability but I have no way of getting that data aside from either asking around or seeing if you could provide me a copy of the page somehow. Sorry to be a bother about it but they were gonna be a big story arc as a kind of Super Yeerk/Goauld cult.

I restored Mind Leech (3.5e Race). --Green Dragon (talk) 06:31, 8 August 2014 (MDT)
Thank you so much.

WikiCookie[edit]

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I give you this WikiCookie for your complete reworking of Multitasker (3.5e Feat), making it more usable and much more adaptable for individual campaigns. You took a basic concept and made it into something so much more! Thanks!   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   22:44, 30 August 2014 (MDT)
Ha ha, you're welcome. I'm not quite convinced that my own examples are sound, though :) Marasmusine (talk) 01:07, 31 August 2014 (MDT)
I have added this reward to your userpage. --Green Dragon (talk) 01:19, 31 August 2014 (MDT)
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