Talk:Naruto: Shinobi (5e Class)/Archive 4

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I am having a debate with my DM on the normal scrolls. In short, I attempted to keep eyes inside the medium scroll to conserve them for later examination under the idea that the eyes would be stuck in stasis and wouldn't rot (they would only rot in the 13th level Giant Scroll that is meant to seal in individuals). However, my DM let me know when I took the eyes out about 2 weeks later that the eyes had rotted. We decided to post a discussion thread here and let you guys decide for us.

TL:DR: Can the small, medium, large and weapon scrolls hold dead biological matter in stasis to the point where it wouldn't rot?

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 17:28, 21 October 2019 (MDT)

I have always ruled that biological matter wouldn’t rot inside scrolls. Obviously it wouldn’t work for weapon scrolls but that’s beside the point. If I remember correctly, food is stored for extended periods of time in scrolls a number of times in the series. -Ref3rence (talk) 06:12, 22 October 2019 (MDT)

My DM doesn't agree with you, and decided to wait until Monday in case someone else responds and decide then, especially since he couldn't find any proof of food being stored inside the scrolls. I appreciate your quick response however, and in the end the decision will be made on Monday. I'll update this when the situation is resolved.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 08:29, 22 October 2019 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I think your DM may be right. While I can remember several scenes where a character pulled biological matter out of a scroll, they always seemed to be medical ninja/someone with medical knowledge(Orochimaru). For eyes especially, the show has made sure to emphasize that the eyes must be stored in a liquid solution of some sort in order to remain fresh. This can be seen in the Itachi vs Sasuke fight. ((Spoiler Alert)) While that was a Genjutsu, the idea of that solution is presented once again when Obito implants Itachi's eyes into Sasuke. That all being said, the biological material of the Naruto shinobi seems to be more durable than a normal humans, and scrolls do seem to have some kind of stasis effect, so it does seem like the eyes would at least survive two weeks. You could ask your DM if there's a way to make the eyes last maybe a week longer ((If you can get to a populated place with shops within a week)), and in that week try to purchase said preserving liquid, or try to alter the scroll to specifically preserve eyes. It doesn't guarantee your success with the eyes, but it gives you a chance to save them at least. Plus, I think it would be hilarious to have your character ask some random fruit vendor if they have information on any preserving liquids sold there, get a Nat 20, and then watch as this innocent vendor suddenly pulls a canister out of a watermelon and change the tone dramatically. --ReaperSRS

Is warrior of steel intended to allow you to use your martial arts damage die to your melee weapon attacks. I want to impliment it as this but then it conflicts with the laido ability which works off of increasing the weapon damage die.

I don't see how it conflicts. To be clear, the feature your referencing is Refined Warfare, which you get at 10th level. At 10th level, you martial arts die is 2d4. If you use Refined Warfare, it just increases the damage die to 2d6. It just increases the d4s to d6s.

  • When it becomes 3d4, Refined Warfare increases it to 3d6.
  • When it becomes 4d4, Refined Warfare increases it to 4d6.

Can someone get the byakugan implanted if they already own the sharingan but one eye gets cut?

Yes, someone can have more than 1 Dōjutsu in such a situation. --Ref3rence (talk) 19:21, 21 July 2019 (MDT)

Could someone also use the flying raijian to teleport into or out the kamui dimension?

Yes, Flying Raijin works through dimensions. --Ref3rence (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2019 (MDT)

Nindo and Wind Style changes[edit]

I don't see the point of the "I will master all jutsu" nindo. You already gain all basic jutsu as you level up anyway. Or is this intended to gain some basic jutsu early/above your level?

As for the Rasenshuriken, I don't agree with the effect being cured at the end of a long rest. If it's meant to mirror how lucky Naruto was to avoid the permanent effects, then wouldn't it be better to make it so the user is only affected until a long rest while everyone else in the radius is affected until they recieve Greater Restoration? Because there is practically no reason to use Greater Restoration right now, when you can just rest as soon as possible.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 12:25, 8 November 2019 (MST)

The new Nindo is intended for each Chakra Nature’s basic technique, not basic ninjutsu, that’s my bad on imprecise wording. As for Rasenshuriken, I added the long rest option because there’s a very real possibility that removing the ability to cast any jutsu or spells would permanently make a character useless, especially if they are the only one in the party capable of casting Greater Restoration. -Ref3rence (talk) 19:13, 8 November 2019 (MST)

Ah, fair enough.

As for the Greater Restoration, the world is big. It could be a very interesting quest to find someone that can cast or use jutsu/pills of an effect similar to Greater Restoration. Plus, the odds of friendly fire happening aren't the highest and something shouldn't be balanced on the off-chance of a party member's stupidity.

I do love the idea of a DMing a quest for players affected by that. Or even seeing the character development of a PC unable to cast jutsu. Could even give them a benefit through a feat or so with them training and learning to fight without charka but through taijutsu or Iaidō or Iaijutsu.

I know this is mostly personal in that case, but I do believe it is for the best. Not to mention, it is more accurate to the source material.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 20:48, 8 November 2019 (MST)

That’s absolutely fair. I will undo that edit and clarify the Nindo. -Ref3rence (talk) 07:59, 9 November 2019 (MST)

Also just asking but should the three smaller rasengans that's part of planetary Rasengan do regular rasengan damage Because for a move that takes up that much chakra it takes a full turn to set up it doesn't seem worth it damage wise

I could see about slightly buffing it, but as is, 60 feet of knock-back is pretty powerful if used right. The best I could give would be a cost decrease. -Ref3rence (talk) 05:51, 12 December 2019 (MST)

Can having the perfected seal feat have your jutsus still be copied by an uchiha? it doesn't specify...

That’s really up to a DM, but I would say no. -Ref3rence (talk) 11:05, 16 December 2019 (MST)

If wood clones have the same statistic as Shadow clones, if you get the multi Shadow clone feat will it only cost two chakra to make them. Also can someone use their jutsu affinity To get more rinnegan affinity

The Rinnegan is not a chakra nature transformation, thus jutsu affinity does not affect it in any way. Wood clones are affected by Multi-Shadow Clone Master’s reduced cost, but I’m unsure why that matters as Multi removes the total limit, while the only benefit of wood clones is that they don’t count against your total.

Are Shadow clones able to be identified usuing dojutsu like rinnegan or sharingan?

Chakra Detection detects magical/chakra effects, so they would be able to identify shadow clones. -Ref3rence (talk) 06:30, 20 January 2020 (MST)


What does “increases the ability's duration to 10 minutes and enables its use as an action“ mean in Izanagi, a jutsu that’s used to negate a death? -Ref3rence (talk) 11:21, 8 November 2019 (MST)

It allows the user to use it in advance, when they think or know they're about to do something that will kill them. This saves them from having to use their reaction (in case they already used it or need to use it) since the ability will automatically bring them back if they die during the duration.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 11:56, 8 November 2019 (MST)

Thank you. I may edit the description later to make that a little more evident. -Ref3rence (talk) 12:03, 8 November 2019 (MST)

No worries, that's fair enough.

- Voided Essence, The Void Walker (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2019 (MST)

Yo ref why is the page on lockdown is it because of balancing or did something happen??and if it's because of balancing where's the thing that they're trying to balance

The Page is currently locked due to a disagreement regarding the balance of Swift Style: Surge. The discussion on it is still ongoing, but I’m hoping it concludes shortly. -Ref3rence (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2020 (MST)


Okay the way how the ems is it actually doesn't give you an additional 2 abilities It's just that when you get the eyes it has the possibility of changing your mangekyou abilities There is no way to get 4 mangekyou abilities unless have for eyes (Sorry it was just really bugging me and also kind of makes the path of hatred a lot more powerful although that is a boon)

The Eternal Mangekyou does actually give the user the abilities of the other recipient. You can check it on the Naruto Wiki.

-Kiralokiin (talk) 11:38, 11 November 2019 (MST)

But if that's the case that means Sasuke should be able to use tsukiyomi but he's never used it

I see your point, but simply because he doesn't use it, it doesn't mean he can't. - Kiralokiin (talk) 11:52, 11 November 2019 (MST)

but if he could don't you think it would have been mentioned in a Data book right now or he probably would have used it already

This is all information taken from the Wiki, buddy. If you like, you can go over there and check their sources but as of now, I'm sure that the current way it works is fine.

-Kiralokiin (talk) 09:42, 12 November 2019 (MST)

Maybe a chakra cost for mangekyou abilities

For the Mangekyō abilities, I believe that the threat of damage and, more importantly, exhaustion makes a chakra cost unnecessary. --Ref3rence (talk) 12:04, 17 July 2019 (MDT)
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