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The spell is Fire Whip somebody just changed it witout asking and any discussions. my dad chagned it back now but still some random ruy should not be able to chagne stuff i would also be pissed if someone compleatly changed someting i did

There's a difference between "random vandalism" and "improving a spell". In this case, it was the latter, as in at least one instance, the spell dealt damage but didn't specify the type that it dealt, and it didn't specify whether it was a melee or ranged spell attack, among a few other issues. SirSprinkles (talk) 22:18, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


I'm sorry. The computer that I'm on keeps giving me fits the last 2 or 3 weeks and I typed something I shouldn't have in frustration. -- 23:10, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


Yeah but they changed that its an 1d8 insted of an 1d6 and that it does an aditionally 1d8 avery 2 levels thats not how my dad wanted it (how do i continue a talk i dont want to always create a new one)

You can use the little tag next to the title of the section you wish to edit that is labelled "edit". That edits just that section of text, instead of adding a new section. SirSprinkles (talk) 19:25, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

So They KEEP changing it its annoying i see it as vandalism if they dont liek it they can write it in talk not just KEEP changing it back or they can make their own spell its really annoying ...

Fire Whip[edit]

As I predicted on the talk page, it seems that Fire Whip (5e Spell) is becoming an edit war battleground. I think that the main reason is because some IP has noticed some non-5e aspects of the spell, and won't give any ground. Isn't there a template for when the author doesn't want any more edits to the page without those changes first being discussed on the talk page? SirSprinkles (talk) 19:54, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Really, as soon as any edit is reverted, that's a sign that things should be discussed on the talk page, regardless of the authors. Marasmusine (talk) 20:30, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Damage Types[edit]

On my waterdrake page you whined about how "water" wasn't a real damage type. If that's the case, then what are the different types of damage, and what should replace water? --Calibri (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2017 (MDT)

Oh, I "whined", did I? To me it looks like the most basic statement I could have said on the matter.
You'll find the different damage types in the Player's Handbook, page 196. (I used the index). Marasmusine (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2017 (MDT)
I define all negative statements as "whining." It's nothing personal. Also, where is the player's handbook? Do you have a link or something? --Calibri (talk) 15:54, 13 July 2017 (MDT)
It's a book that you buy so that you can play the game. Here it is at Amazon UK. If you are designing new content for the game, particularly new monsters, the Dungeon Master's Guide is also quite important. Marasmusine (talk) 15:57, 13 July 2017 (MDT)
I have fixed the hit dice and water damage issues, but left the drake part alone: Apparently Calibri made a new creature type. I don't really see why they can't just use the Dragon type, but it's there, so I left it alone.
Calibri: Mara didn't even come close to whining. If you want to see whining, I can whine at you all day if you want. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs)‎ . . 17:29, 13 July 2017 (MDT)

Making Space[edit]

Awhile ago I created this: Wyldling Since I have no plans to edit it, I was wondering how to delete it?--Dinomaster337 (talk) 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Hello, I've added a deletion proposal message, so it will be gone in two weeks. I've tidied up the wikicode in case you change your mind. Marasmusine (talk) 06:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks--Dinomaster337 (talk) 13 April 2017 (UTC)

Need help reverting something[edit]

Not really sure how to do it, but someone went on my race (Loxodon for 5e) and screwed with the racials so much that it is now grossly overpowered. I was curious on how to revert it back to an older version before these changes were applied. You had commented on the power, and I agree, now it is obscene, but it was not always that way. THEgassner (talk) 00:52, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

If you use the "history" tab, you will see an option for undoing a revision in the edit history; or if there are many revisions you want to undo, select the last good revision to edit it, then just save it. Make sure to leave an edit comment for the undo.
I am looking at the diff] between the current revision and your last revision. and be careful, as some of the edits did improve the page (for example, some typos and correcting a DC calculation) Marasmusine (talk) 07:22, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

still waiting on reply 3 weeks later (-_-#[edit]

i am not impressed with admins as of late, first off picking on my creations because they are unique and second off deleting them without notice when i am trying to fix them. i would like an explanation and an apology from the admin who thought it was OK to erase my hard work when it was in the middle of maintenance as well as a com pleat copy of all the text lost by the deletion my Gmail is MSG me with the text and web address of the admin who was so rude as to do this.

P.S. the page deleted was the cake scelinton

Hello, I have looked at the deleted material and the deletion rationale.
A deletion proposal was placed on 12th January by User:Blackbando with the note "This is really moronic. It is overpowered, has very little reason to exist (it should at least have an April Fools tag, in my opinion), allows essentially Find Familiar with an Int restriction of 13 provided you can capture the creature. What if I capture an ogre, or maybe a TARRASQUE? You can use a weakened version of polymorph character level times per day, which is absolute BULLSHIT, as you could become an Ancient Red Dragon at 1st level, provided you see one. Let's not even delve into the ability scores. If anyone wants to fix this, feel free to, but I don't see anything really worth even fixing.
For the record, I don't like the language used in the message, but it is directed at the content and not a user.
This proposal was removed by yourself on the 18th on January, responding on the talk page with direct insults. I know you were frustrated, but this goes against our policy on civility.
As no improvements had been made to the page, I reinstated the deletion proposal on the 17th January, with my opinion that the race was unplayable and nonsensical.
This was left unchallenged for 2 weeks, so the page was deleted per policy, by me. I don't know how to give you my "text and web address" (as I have neither), but I will be kind enough to email you the page contents. Marasmusine (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

just for reference this was the previous TEXT i sent you[edit]

"HI hello, I am G.O.D. (a little pissed)[edit]

So I had sent you a request to bring back one of my races as I was working on it when it was deleted, I only found out about the deletion by recommendation of a friend - (how got banned for going to far), anyway me and him have worked on that race for quite some time and use it in our personal D&D season so at the very least I would like all of the text back as I did not create a copy, due to creating it at school. thank you lots of hat G.O.D. p.s. the race is called cake skeleton p.p.s. if your gonna delete someone's creation make Sure they have a copy of the text next time because it was a lot of hard work k..................-_-"

the fact that this the post before this one and the problim has yet to be delt with is annoying to say the least as it prevents me from doing my work on the classes that i love so much =_=#

Just for reference, pages aren't outright deleted unless it breaks the rules, breaks the site, or is otherwise broken beyond usability. And that's if they get deleted outright and don't have a deletion template slapped on for a couple weeks. If you're not done with something, work on it in a user sandbox until you're finished, or upload it somewhere else. D&D Wiki would love to host your complete and unbroken creations, but it isn't free cloud storage for all your incomplete creations.--GamerAim (talk) 13:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)
G.O.D. I'm sorry I did not respond immediately to your prior message, but I do have a day job to go to.
Also, I'm not going to see or be able to reply to your messages when you add them to an old talk archive.
Finally, it's not my responsibility to make sure users have backed up their work, especially when deleted content can be restored on request. Marasmusine (talk) 16:24, 24 March 2017 (UTC)


What is your opinion of putting plastics (or at least an alchemical version of it) in a medieval (or a steampunk) Campaign? -- 22:41, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead, I guess? Players could put their rations in a tuppaware box. Marasmusine (talk) 08:46, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
What I sorta had in mind was a pitch for low (or no) metal setting to my main DM. -- 23:09, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
Go to wikipedia and read the article on plastics. Take note of what raw materials are needed and what processes are used. Put into campaign. Marasmusine (talk) 07:18, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about jumping in again. (bit of a bad habit) But don't forget about ceramics, they have some awesome properties and can be very strong in there own write. And if your setting has enough know-how to make plastics they could make some plastic-ceramic materials that can at least sort-of mimic metal (in reality those would be very expensive) --Aitharious (talk) 01:04, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
My DM has said no go on the setting as a whole. He did like some of the elements of it. The 1 he likes the most is my idea for something called Rust Mites. It is an insect swarm with the Rust Metal ability. -- 22:46, 26 April 2017 (UTC)


Good evening Maramusine. I don't know if you have any experiance with this kind of thing but im currently DMing for 4 people who have never played the game before and am looking for tips on how to teach them the game, have them enjoy it, and still run with what i prepared all at the same time. Whats your take on it? Bannanameds (talk) 01:17, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

I don't think I'm the best person to ask, although I have lots of experience, I'm not that good of a DM (I obsess over mechanics rather than narrative) First of all, I would say read the Dungeon Master's Guide, which has lots of advice. Secondly, make sure each player understands their character's motivations/goals (5e's backgrounds help with this) - and give them things to care about. Otherwise, I find, a player often isn't sure what to do and can be a bit aimless. Thirdly, have one NPC who can accompany the party. You can use the NPC to drop hints and gently guide the party if they get a bit stuck. Marasmusine (talk) 08:36, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks mara. Ive read all three rulebooks (MM DMG PHB) front to back at least twice by now and ive worked the backrounds out for the pcs already. Also ive got a few ideas for an NPC already. Who should i ask for more? Bannanameds (talk) 14:13, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Have you read David Eddings' The Belgariad? Bannanameds (talk) 17:24, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Nooo, I don't read fantasy novels. Marasmusine (talk) 19:21, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Kind of paradoxical because you play Dungeons and Dragons. But anyways theres a character in the book named Silk(a.k.a Prince Kheldar) who is an elite spy and has agents everywhere and literally knows everything about anyone and can get any info within a few days. A master spy. Hes also named in the prophecies as the guide. Im just going to implant him into my worlld as part of the local intelligence agency. Bannanameds (talk) 21:40, 4 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah there's basically no crossover with the games I like and the books I like! I've tried to read fantasy books, but I just give up after the first chapter or two, I find them a bit silly :) (Well, there was one I finished reading and liked when I was younger, Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes. I like books like The House of Leaves, Crime and Punishment, any Philip K Dick, On the Road... the weird stuff. Marasmusine (talk)
Wierd is good mara. Is there anyone i should ask other than you for DMing advice? Bannanameds (talk) 11:40, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Kydo, but I think he's still sort of on a break. You might catch him at the facebook page [1]. Marasmusine (talk) 11:57, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Request/Question about a removed class.[edit]

Hello sorry to bother you but the it is April 4th and i looked on the D&D wiki to find a class that you either made or removed and was wondering if you had the information for it still, the class was the gravity knight for D&D 5e one of my players was using the class and I was the DM for this game had tweaked some of its abilities but I cant progress further anymore because the class was removed. is there a way to either repost it or send me a copy of the information that way i dont have to make them roll a new character?

If you can email me with your email address I will send you a copy.
I already undeleted the class once, and give it an extended period for improvements, then gave plenty of warning and gave a last call for improvements. But nobody responded or improved the page. Marasmusine (talk) 08:29, 4 April 2017 (UTC)


I don't know your email but if you could send me the email for gravity knight please send it to [redacted] thank you

Hi, I have sent you an email! (For future reference, when you are on a user's page, there should be an "email this user" link in the Tools menu to the left) Marasmusine (talk) 07:22, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Point-based Pact Magic[edit]

Hello, Mara! I recently made a variant rule on warlock's Pact Magic features, namely, using spell point-based systems with it. I did some modifications with the spread and all, but I'm not sure if the overall balancing is okay or anything. I will be greatly appreciated if you or any other users could leave any advices and comments on the variant rule. I was rather ambitious when I first came up with it, but you know, a good feedback can point out what I failed to see and all.

The page is Warlock Class Feature: Point-based Pact Magic. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 07:38, 5 April 2017 (UTC)


Ok mara ive got an idea for a monk archetype based on the gith. Any ideas? Bannanameds (talk) 19:56, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

I don't know too much about gith, they never really appealed to me. Marasmusine (talk) 11:12, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Psionic Disciplines and Talents[edit]

Hello, Mara. So I recently started working on the psionic features from the UA article, and I thought of making a page with psionic disciplines and talents so it could be available for all users.

What I'm concerned with is, of course, copyright issues. SRD I am comfortable with, but can we put UA data on here? I am aware that UA materials are not explicitly part of OGC, but UA is already view-able and download-able via official homepage, and there are even references on here in the wiki, such as fighter's Fighting Style options. Which is why I want to ask your opinion. If you think it would be risky or downright no-no, I think maybe just referring psionic features as "See UA article for more, here's a link" would do.

If it's okay to make page here, I'm planning to add copyright disclaimers and any other methods enough to keep things safe. Thank you for consideration. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 10:22, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

UA articles are under copyright, so we can't reproduce it.
The SRD Fighter page shouldn't be showing UA text, as it's not in the SRD. Marasmusine (talk) 10:53, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Okay, gotcha. Thanks for the reply! --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 10:56, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Dragon Tamer[edit]

Ok mara one of my PCs thinks that the Dragon Tamer Class is overpowered and unbalanced. if you are willing and have time, i would ask you, as senior andmin, to make a full analysis of the class, and determine if it is, in fact, overpowered or unbalanced. Bannanameds (talk) 16:51, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Yeah... that class doesn't look ready to be used at all. Marasmusine (talk) 19:37, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Whats wrong with it?Bannanameds (talk) 19:46, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I can start at 1st level with a CR 4 red dragon wyrmling as a companion that acts in a completely undefined way. When I become 5th level, my companion is now a CR 10 monster. It's ridiculous. Marasmusine (talk) 19:49, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Ok ill take that. what if it started life as a psuedodragon, became a wyrmling at level 5 and aged one category every 5 levels after? Bannanameds (talk) 20:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Your two references are the ranger's companion, and conjuration spells.
At 3rd level, a ranger has a permanent CR 0.5 ¼ beast companion.
At 9th level, a full spellcaster can have a CR 5 elemental for 1 hour. Marasmusine (talk) 20:17, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I'm also don't like that there's no cap to to the number of permanently charmed dragons this character can have. I don't think that this class should have any permanently charmed dragons beyond its companion. Marasmusine (talk) 20:20, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Finally, I don't think there's any chance that the class should control adult dragons, they are just too powerful. Maybe if the class had dominate monster at 17th level, following the normal rules for that spell. Marasmusine (talk) 20:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

I took the rules from Find familiar to describe the first dragons actions, and possibly give dragons with ledgendary actions advantage on the save, and make it so you cannot permanantly control them?Bannanameds (talk) 20:36, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Well, gegendary dragons already have legendary resistance, but I can't agree to permanent control.
There's still the issue that the class is heavily reliant on how many dragons the DM sticks in. Whole campaigns can go by without any dragons. Marasmusine (talk) 20:40, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

And thats where the archetypes come in. Bannanameds (talk) 20:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Tokyo Ghoul class[edit]

There has been progress, recently even on the tokyo ghoul class.

Can you bring it back?

5e Addiction[edit]

Are there any special rules for addiction in the 5e? -- 19:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

I would just treat addiction as a form of insanity. --Redrum 13:51, 1 July 2017 (MDT)

5e skills[edit]

Has anyone tried to post an expansion to the 5e skill proficiencies? -- 19:18, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

Strange questions[edit]

Is there an ability in 5e that allows a character to change their sex at will? I do mean any ability. --Redrum 20:04, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

it isnt specified in any of the books but there is a homebrew item called the Girdle of Sex that has a similar effect. Theres also the fact that you can create whatever you want in D&D. Bannanameds (talk) 01:07, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
You took the words out of my mouth Bannanameds!: "Yes, if you want there to be." Marasmusine (talk) 07:37, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
Ill take that as a good thing Bannanameds (talk) 12:46, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

I was hoping for a racial ability to pop up. --Redrum 23:19, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

Changelings can shapehift into a female/male form.


Way of Void[edit]

I looked at it and changed some things to make it more easy to understand. And nerfed it a bit. Please look over it and tell me what else needs reworking.

edit: I nerfed it even further, plz look.

edit well at this point i don't even know so just make any changes i guess.

If you wanna rewrite go ham, if u still do thx in advance

Renaming Dragon Tamer[edit]

Hey Mara could you Move Dragon Tamer to A different page named Dragon Tamer, 2nd Variant?Bannanameds (talk) 13:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually nevermindBannanameds (talk) 13:08, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Nevermind me saying nevermind. Bannanameds (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Actually disregard this whole sectionBannanameds (talk) 13:34, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Dragon Rider, Variant[edit]

This better mara? Dragon Rider, Variant Bannanameds (talk) 18:55, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

How about this: "In the event of your dragons death, you can obtain another one by spending 8 hours magically bonding with another dragon that isn’t hostile to you, either the same color of dragon as before or a different color of the same type (Metallic or Chromatic)."

5e Poisons[edit]

The 5e Poisons page is devoid of links to the poisons, and the pages of the poisons themselves have some formatting error. SirSprinkles (talk) 20:54, 17 April 2017 (UTC)

Prestige Prerequisites[edit]

Hey mara does this sound like a decent set of prerequisites? 'To qualify for multiclassing into the Seeker class, you must make these requirements: A wizard must appoint you Seeker. You must be 5th level. The wizard who appointed you must bind a sword to you, making it your 'Sword of Truth' Bannanameds (talk) 23:52, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

Can the wizard be another player? How do they bind a sword to you?
The UA article suggests that a prerequisite should be "a deed you must complete". Marasmusine (talk) 16:30, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

its up to the DM to decide how the sword is bound. Getting the wizard to name you is the deed. Bannanameds (talk) 16:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

I think that will need a bit more, because I've no idea how easy or hard that is (it tells us what the wizard needs to do but not what you need to do) Marasmusine (talk) 18:10, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Theres a 24 hour ritual for it to be bound. your costs are determined by the DM like spellcasting services. there very well might be a quest involved to seek out some knowledge. Bannanameds (talk) 19:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Prestige Classes[edit]

How does one make prestige classes? ShiroYami (talk) 07:34, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

I think you can find some help from the Unearthed Arcana article. --WeirdoWhoever (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
I actually mean like on this website, as it isnt a normal class and has only ten levels. ShiroYami (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, try 5e Special Classes. Marasmusine (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. ShiroYami (talk) 08:15, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Feats And Features[edit]

Good evening mara. Im in the process of making a class called War Wizard and reread the class design guide and it said not to have feats as features for classes. But i was wondering if it was acceptable to put paraphrased versions in the class as features, but not feats given by features. If this makes sense at all. Bannanameds (talk) 04:01, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Why not just give them an Ability Score Improvement at those levels? Then the player can pick a feat if they want. If you want to force them to pick particular feats, make a note of that in a Variant section. Marasmusine (talk) 13:36, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

I guess it didnt make sense then. I want to add an adaptaion of the feats as a class feature. not in place of ability score improvement. Bannanameds (talk) 15:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Are you asking from a copyright perspective or a gameplay perspective? Strictly speaking you can't copy the text of feats as they aren't in the SRD (except one). You might be able to design the feature such that it both varies from the feat (for copyright), and works with the feat (for gameplay - in case feats are being used and the player wants to pick that feat anyway). Marasmusine (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

Racial Classes[edit]

Hey mara im trying to make a racial class that relies on a power that your character is born with, but specifically females. The main power is also too strong for 1st level. what should i do? Also the power can be passed to a male but its alot stronger. Bannanameds (talk) 23:50, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

I can't really help unless I know what the power and race is. Marasmusine (talk) 07:14, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Well its called confessor, and its a whole bloodline of female humans. they were once extentions of the law and interrigators of murderers of the worst of criminals. thier main powers are The confessors touch, which essentially the most powerful charm spell ever. it fills the target with such overpowering love for the confessor that they will literally do anything for her. Its also permanant. the target is so changed by that thier former self is obliterated, exept for the knowledge they had from thier former life. The other power is the Con Dar. which is a wrath and anger against those who have wronged you, sends black lightning from the palm to smite your enemies. Bannanameds (talk) 12:02, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Please consider that this is basically the effect of dominate person (5th level spell). Even if you use an 8th level spell slot (i.e. 15th character level minimum), it only lasts 8 hours.
The other spell to look at is flesh to stone (6th level spell), which does permanently effect a target, but must fail three saving throws for it to happen.
Either way, I can't think of a way for this to be for someone of less than 9th character level. Marasmusine (talk) 15:35, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Its going to be like my dragon tamer. control for 24 hours then another save and on the third fail they become permanently charmed.Bannanameds (talk) 16:13, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Policies and the incomplete stub[edit]

Mara whats our policy here on the incomplete stub? Like how long does a class need to be left untouched for it to need that template? Bannanameds (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Immediately. Marasmusine (talk) 21:28, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
There's no actual policy, but if a page is incomplete or missing something it should be a stub. Marasmusine (talk) 21:30, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Thanks.Bannanameds (talk) 22:23, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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