Talk:Demigod (5e Race)

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Musicus Rating[edit]

Musicus Meter
Score: 6
This race scored 6 with the Musicus Meter race guidelines (score between 4 and 6 to an absolute maximum of 8). This metric may represent this page, or not. This is a guideline, not a rule, and it's important to use your own judgment alongside this scoring.
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Breakdown
Cost Racial Trait
0.5 Blessed.
-0.5 Deific Tell.
3 Divine Domain.
1.5 Divine Portfolio.
1 Godly Parentage.
0 Mortal Parentage.
0.5 Portfolio Sense.
6 Total.

--ConcealedLight (talk) 10:34, 1 February 2018 (MST)

Demigods Invitation[edit]

I've grown tired of watching this page get made, cast into an endless spire of maintenance templates, spammed with enough IP edits to make any auditors head hurt, get deleted, only to have someone remake it and then watch the process repeat. Something needed to done. As such being the "5e race guy" I've completely overhauled this page to make it strong while balanced while following the wiki guidelines. If you have any concerns, query's or suggestions please make them here. --ConcealedLight (talk) 14:10, 28 January 2018 (MST)

This page is BEAUTIFUL!!!! ENCORE ENCORE!--Erlek Thunder weaver (talk | contribs | email) 08:49, 23 June 2018 (MDT)
Thanks. —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 16:12, 23 June 2018 (MDT)
I was wondering if there is any chance of the Protection Domain being added to this race at some point.Other than missing some domains like protection I personally find this race amazing and awesome. --Chaoshound ([User talk:Chaoshound|talk]]) 12:36, 21 November 2018 (CST)
I'd rather not add UA content until its released in a book. What kind of abilities were you thinking of? —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 15:37, 21 November 2018 (MST)
I understand and that's fine and honestly I hadn't fully thought about what the abilities would be yet. I just know that some of the deities would be better as protection instead of war or light such as Helm or Heimdall.--Chaoshound ([User talk:Chaoshound|talk]]) 16:53, 21 November 2018 (CST)

Artemis[edit]

I don't want to start anything big, but how come in the examples, Artemis, a virgin goddess, has a daughter? --Calibri (talk) 21:28, 24 June 2018 (MDT)

Gods can create children without procreation. For example, in the demigods campaign I'm playing in, my character was formed from lightning and breathed life into by her virgin goddess of a mother. I believe Pandora was also formed in a similar manner, and I recall Apollo breathing life into something to create a demigod at some point as well. —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2018 (MDT)

As always your work is perfect!--Erlek Thunder weaver (talk | contribs | email) 09:58, 18 October 2018 (MDT)

Thank you again Erlek :) —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 16:52, 18 October 2018 (MDT)

Waterborne[edit]

I gave the Waterborne Portfolio from the Tempest Domain the ability to cast ‘’shape water’’ from Xanathar’s Guide To Everything, since we see Percy Jackson from Percy Jackson and the Olympians control water just as we see in the spell, except at a much higher degree. It might be cool if there was a Demigod class, and the features were entirely dependent on what domain you chose. That way, we could plausibly see a story similar to how Percy came from jumping from the Arch as a last resort to jumping off the Hubbard Glaicer without a second thought, even though he was still missing some of his memory. Tl-Dr water Demigods can control water, change it back if you want to, and Demigod advancement would be really cool. PickleJarPete (Talk) 10:06, 22 January 2019 (CST)

I don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about, but giving demigods the ability to control water sounds fair. I agree. Quincy (talk) 21:33, 22 January 2019 (MST)
Dude, you gotta read the Percy Jackson series, or at least read the Wikipedia article on it. It’s basically a story where a kid finds out he’s a Demigod, and discovers a bunch of powers like not taking fall damage when he lands in water and being able to control water by causing tidal waves. PickleJarPete (Talk) 2:38, 23 January 2019 (CST)
I think I will pick it up. Thanks for the recommendation! Quincy (talk) 16:48, 26 January 2019 (MST)


Divine Portfolio Traits massively under-costed[edit]

I feel like the Musicus rating is massively under cost by not considering how overpowered some of these abilities are. Once per day free Truesight for a minute, a +3 to an ability score (alongside the normal +1), a free Frighten Immunity with advantage and temp HP for an ally, and a No Save, infallible, completely unavoidable and undetectable Zone of Truth at will are all INCREDIBLY potent with no penalties or weakness. There is no way those add up to a 1.5 on the Musicus scale. The ability score alone is a 4 (by virtue of being a total of +4). For the record, the Musicus scale says a +4 total Ability Score mod would be 6.5 So in and of itself, the rating skyrockets past the recommended cap of 8. Divine Awareness alone is completely out of balance. Zone of Truth offers a save, can be talked around, and everyone affected by it is aware, and the caster is the only one aware of who failed their save. With Divine Awareness, the Demigod just...knows they lied.

I think with some tweaks these can be brought into line, but as they stands, the majority of them are very overpowered and NEED to be pruned or rebalanced. Otherwise a 1.5 is just flat out not a fair assessment. Classtoise 23:52, 3 March 2019 (EST)

The Musicus Meter is a good guideline for balance but the further a race falls from the standard the harder it is for the meter to take into account. This is a demigod race. It isn't designed for standard play but is meant to serve as a reasonable balanced alternative to the previous Demigod races that were on the wiki, all of which have been purged since. While you can disagree with the score given your entire argument makes broad generalizations throughout and doesn't actually address much of anything in detail. You also seemed to have missed that you could only get one of the benefits you've outlined. If you'd like to offer suggestions and highlight issues you are free to do so but using full caps and just saying a page should be pruned is not appropriate for a Wikipedia. Consult our Help:Behavioral Policy and try again. —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 05:16, 9 March 2019 (MST)
I did not use full caps, and I actually did give details. You may have missed them, however, so I will state them again. The most egregious (in my opinion) being you are giving them the potential for a second level spell, for free, at will, at all times, with no save, and no tell. Even if True Sight for a minute is considered balanced (since the 6th level spell is an hour and this is a minute), the Divine Awareness ability in and of itself is an improvement on a 2nd level spell that requires a slot and can be circumvented. This alone should be a much higher cost than is given. In order for the scale to accurately measure a races potential, it must be scored accurately. And for clarification, I said it needed to be pruned (as in "trimmed back") not deleted, or it needed to be rebalanced (as in some of the abilities must be reworked to be more in line with actual power levels). I understand the confusion about the word "Pruned", but I assure you my intent was "some of these features should be cut back", and not "delete this page". User:Classtoise 9:20, 9 March 2019 (EST)

I think the problem with this race is that it focuses to much on the Musicus Meter. I know it's a good guideline, and can be very useful when determining how powerful a race is with only a few traits. However, when YOUR ENTIRE RACE has COUNTLESS DIFFERENT TRAITS THAT YOU CAN PICK, a METER BECOMES UNRELIABLE. Cue GeoDude and the capitalization police. Anyways, most of the traits are not on the same level as others. I feel that being resistant to 3 damage types is not the same as having an unarmored defense, especially when people using that race will probably have armor. Tl;dr you can switch up the traits, even if (gasp) it gets a 1 or even 2 on the Musicus, not a perfect 1.5. PickleJarPete (Talk) 16:03, 25 March 2019 (CST)

I want to throw out there the reason for policing capitalization; its commonly accepted/agreed it represents yelling. So when you type out words in caps, it comes off as yelling at a user and I think everyone offline and online can agree being yelled at isn't pleasant and rude. And being rude doesn't go along with our behavioral policy. So, regardless if an entire message is all caps or a singular word is caps, the perception is that one is yelling at someone. I couldn't find the specifics for this on Wikipedia but I did find [this article] about capital letters and alternatives. Hopefully that helps.
Also, PJP-there really isn't reason to call Geodude671 out for simply helping the wiki out. They are just doing their "job" ensuring that people get along and they really are better many of us at it. So please, be kind to the admins when they are keeping the wiki a tolerant place for everyone.
Last, Classtoise does state the issues they have with the page vs saying prune it because it isn't balanced. If no one wants to counterpoint it, then that's on them. ~ BigShotFancyMan 08:37, 26 March 2019 (MDT)
I think if the traits are found to be that overpowered, trimming is not of the utmost necessity since the OP once can be picked out to be like racial feats. It'd be like how demigods pass trials and stuff in stories to gain more powers, etc, etc.--Yanied (talk) 08:29, 15 October 2019 (MDT)
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