Talk:Earth Titan (5e Race)

Honestly I like it how it is, and while the adv on STR and CON is very strong, permanent dis on dex is a pretty steep penalty.

I feel like this race should be very good at some things and very bad at others. High Str and Con seems in line, and it should be pretty strong as this feels like more of a for fun race then a strictly balanced race.

I'd say remove the ADV for Con entirely, and leave the STR. Leave the Dis on dex as the other side of that coin.

I have made these changes and would definitely like some feedback.

I do feel like the kinda most giant race having very good Str is a good idea, the con to me seemed excessive and unnecessary.

- Konno Yuuki 11-5-21

Note: I also fixed some of the Capitalization and did some linking for the article

- Konno Yuuki about 30 min after the last comment —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KonnoYuuki (talk • contribs) . Please sign your posts.

Giving disadvantage on dex saves is kinda false balance to go against everything else this race has. A huge player character would feasibly have more benefits than even a large one, and with everything else they get (like adv in another save), this is a bit bonkers. It'd be better to tone it to something like the kri or something.--Yanied (talk) 00:14, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

I definitely understand this, and to a degree agree. However I think whether to include this race should be up the the DM, if their player wants to run a Huge race, and the DM is ok with it, that should be allowed too.

I think a good option is to add a disclaimer in the actual article explaining to newer DM's why they might want to look very closely at this race before they allow it in.

I definitely think this is a very strong race, but we can look at it in comparison to like, Yuan Ti, who have resistance to all magic saves, which is absurd. Or even something like Chronoturgy. I do think permanent adv is a bad idea after thinking, maybe like a +4 to str and a -2 to dex? Something to set this race apart from the countless giant races is a good idea in my opinion.

I think there is room in the wiki for a huge race, but I definitely agree there should be a section explaining why this might be super busted.

For example, if I am running a giant heavy campaign, and a player wants to play a giant, well that's kinda nullified, but this acts as the next step.

I think we do need to be careful with balance to a degree, but also it's up to the individual DM at the end of the day.

TLDR: Yes huge races are kinda crazy, but to just say on a homebrew wiki they cant exist feels weird, a disclaimer for newer DM's mught be a better option cause allowing crazy stuff for fun is what homebrew is for, and being the biggest giant is kinda a cool idea and sets this apart from the other 1000000 giant races. --KonnoYuuki (talk) 14:26, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

Made race huge and added a disclaimer for balance. I definitely think there is room for a huge race, but balance is difficult, I think the best way to do this is to make it clear the possible issues and leave the specific details of implementation up to the group.

Sometimes players and DM's both agree on playing things like this, whether as a high power campaign or a single player campaign etc. I think a disclaimer allows the page to keep what makes it unique, the huge char size, while still making sure a new DM or player doesn't get super caught off guard. Would definitely like more discussion on the topic. Also added a WIP flag as this article is rapidly changing and I think that is a good thing to to at the moment. KonnoYuuki (talk) 15:27, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

Homebrew does not mean being able to make anything under the sun, because that would be implausible for the 5e system. Go play something else at that point. Huge size not only imposes large advantages, but also issues when it comes to player size and movement on a map. Large sizes have been detailed out and listed with numerous advantages, thus why the races that are Large are lacking in other traits. You also have just created a blank page and no content to argue for balancing a Huge race, so it is no justification to allow for something this strong.

If you want a Huge race, make the unbalanced page in your own user pages rather than pretend this is complete and usable at a generic table. --Yanied (talk) 15:44, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

Final note from me: Seems like y'all have made up your mind on not allowing a huge race so I'll concede and let you do what you will. I simply think adding yet another large giant race is boring, as there are already so many, and really takes away something interesting.

Also note: the page wasn't empty I was actively creating it.

Peace out KonnoYuuki (talk) 16:01, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

I mean a Huge pc will simply break 5e. In most modules, you simply won't be able to fit into buildings, dungeons, ect. plus combat was not designed around having a 15x15 ft pc. You will often have to be left behind, not participate in social interactions, and have other issues arise that prevents you from actually playing the game in a reasonable way. The mechanics are also a headache as they are either grossly overpowered or simply can't do what you expect a 20ft tall behemoth to do. You would really have to design entire modules around such a concept that includes rules to play a Huge pc without it being completely overpowered.--Blobby383b (talk) 16:27, 6 November 2021 (MDT)

Hello, creator here, and I'd like to point out that this race isn't made for balance and it is in fact a very specialized race. To have social interaction be a challenge was a major reason for being huge because I like challenging myself. It's supposed to be high-risk high reward bc I'm a crazy ************. I don't expect everyone to enjoy it but that's okay because to each there own. But as for me and others that like to live on the wild side it'll work just fine.

- SaucyMoonwalker 4/1/22

If it isn't made to be balanced, why do you keep removing the design disclaimer, which is made for that sort of thing? But apart from that, this thing sounds more for your own use at this point. And that should be in your user page then, because the page as it is right now is problematic balance-wise.--Yanied (talk) 00:43, 2 April 2022 (MDT)

{{Design Disclaimer}} isn't the correct thing here. OP states "this race isn't made for balance", and per Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates "[The Design Disclaimer] template is not justification for broken...design, nor is this template intended to identify pages as being...broken." Thus, {{needsbalance}} or de-powering of the page is appropriate. — Geodude (talk | contribs | email)‎‎ . . 09:56, 2 April 2022 (MDT)

Probably not but the version before the recent edits was only Large sized, so that would have been fine. It wouldn't work for Huge.Yanied (talk) 10:01, 2 April 2022 (MDT)