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Reasons and Justification[edit]

For the life of me I cannot find where this was said, but I do recall something being mentioned that this template isn't meant to force others to use the sites preloads. If an article is formatted, and has a flow to it, then we can't make them "wikify" the page. Same with hyperlinks (SRD links). My problem is I think SgtLion and/or GamerAim were involved in that exchange.
Are there any new thoughts or old thoughts to be added to ensure clarity? ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 07:53, 15 February 2019 (MST)

Hmmm. Well, I guess it should be stated up front that site infrastructure requires at a minimum for most pages to have categories and an identifier. Taking that a step further almost all site infrastructure uses DPL's to display and list content to the users, which require categories to work but many of them also rely on certain template parameters to be present such as summary in the 5e race template. Taking this another step further and we have content that site infrastructure doesn't rely on, like the description of a magic item or the physical characteristics of a race. A user that doesn't want to or feels they don't need to include such things on a page doesn't have to, however, there should be good reason for it as when this approach is adopted to all other areas you get pages with about 7 words of Fluff and rest is mechanical benefits for whatever character they're trying to glue together. Head is a bit fuzzy but I hope that is at least somewhat clear. —ConcealedLightChatmod.png (talk) 10:20, 15 February 2019 (MST)
I think so. The jist is that we use DPLs so users need to use preloads or similar for good site infrastructure? ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 11:34, 15 February 2019 (MST)
A page's formatting follows everyone's concensus. The concensus is developed on each of the preload's pages. This has always been the case, so I see no reason why we should allow page's to use a unique format. If they have a problem with the formatting, then they should bring up their concerns on the preload page. The total site's formatting also relies on this collaboration, especially the dpl's and list pages. --Green Dragon (talk) 02:27, 16 February 2019 (MST)
well, with going through old pages, if the page is formatted but doesn't use a preload, and has a {{wikify}}, should it be deleted? ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 13:58, 16 February 2019 (MST)
I'm of the opinion that old pages should be treated the same as any other page that is not in compliance with our standards, so yes. Quincy (talk) 14:16, 16 February 2019 (MST)
So beautiful lore written, well drawn mechanics, but because a table isn't used we are to {{delete}}...seems like a waste. ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 14:19, 16 February 2019 (MST)
You mean {{abandoned}} and then deleted I presume?
I am of the opinion that we should try to fix the issues brought up on the templates, not necessarily mark the pages as abandoned if it's maybe even easier to fix the issue (and vice-versa). Although, yes, these templates can be grounds for marking a page as {{abandoned}}. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:36, 17 February 2019 (MST)
I do mean that, but more often than not it seems abandoned is just a courtesy for the inevitable delete so that's why I don't mention the abandoned. I assume their deletion.
reasonable judgement. that's fair and I get it. :) ~ BigShotFancyMan (talk) 20:44, 18 February 2019 (MST)
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