Talk:Baketako (5e Race)
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- "1d3 lethal damage" - this is not a 5e damage type. You might want to look at p. 196, or how environment can effect PCs in the DMG.
- Please use the full terms, i.e. "Constitution modifier".
- Arm regeneration doesn't fully explain how the arm works in the game. What is its AC and other ability scores? Hit points? Attack bonus? Is there a better way of doing the "1d4 constitution damage", 5e tries to avoid temporary ability score changes. Maybe exhaustion. Marasmusine (talk) 13:02, 19 December 2016 (MST)
Sorry. I honestly just wanted to make my own Baketako race, but I thought that if I did it would be copyright infringement.
- No problem, your ideas were really cool and gave the race more flavor than it had before :D. The DM guide if I remember correctly has a guide to limb chopping and other injuries in their optional "Grittier Game" rules but for the most part (at least in the games I've played) they aren't used very often unless the DM wants to make a point that "shoving your hand in a dragons mouth is not very smart". So I removed that trait for that reason and also that the idea of voluntary cannibalism while absolutely hilarious is a little unnerving and pretty much makes a player an emergency ration pack (unless you're playing a more survival campaign with a particularly sadistic DM... then everyone is an emergency ration pack :D) which makes buying food a little silly if the whole party can just munch on Jim's (a traditional baketako name I'm sure) arms.
- As for copyright, anyone whose posted anything on this wiki has already put it into circulation as open source (I think anyway... Marasmuine would have a better understanding of that then me). If you want to make your own version of the race just call the race something different like "Octopus Samurai","Octorai", "Samollusks", or something less cringey (gods, I'm bad at making names) or just add (variant) after it.
Actually, I am gonna stay on the project for a little while longer
I'm back and I want your help. I want to continue making the baketako page better.. By adding Subraces!. Essentially, I'm adding Bakeika(Squids), Bakekouika(Cuttlefish), all of the cephalopods to the the page and It would be nice if you could help me!
To Whom it may concern, Hormy
Translated bits of it to 5e, removed bits that either were OP or didn't seem to have any actual function, am not sure what to do with Keep Moist, and am still pretty sure the net balance of this thing is Overpowered. Knowlessman (talk) 18:58, 7 February 2017 (MST) (Also you're supposed to use four ~'s to sign discussion page comments BTW.)
Can you please
Why do all the links go to 3.5e SRD? 188.8.131.52 16:23, 16 February 2017 (MST)
- Fixed. Though, I did notice some other mistakes (such as mentioning "flatfooted", something that doesn't exist in 5e). SirSprinkles (talk) 12:12, 18 February 2017 (MST)
(@Hormy) "Swim checks" stopped being a thing after 3.5. This is a 5e race, not a 3.5 race. An ability check related to swimming would most likely be a Strength (Athletics) check, but it'd be up to the DM, and there are no rules stating circumstances that guarantee such a check. If you want to give them a specific racial bonus (such as double proficiency, as in the Dwarf and Rock Gnome traits) to Str (Ath) checks that are related to swimming, you can do that, but there's no guarantee that it would come up very often, and it'd be yet another separate racial trait on top of the ones they already have.
Also, could you please start signing comments? Put in four ~'s and it'll autofill your name and the date; makes it so people know who they're talking to without checking the history.
You have an interesting player race here (although a little dignity is lost when it reminds one so much of Octodad), and I want to get it right. I'm not convinced it has room for the extra traits and complexity subraces would give it, though; it feels pretty powerful as it is.Knowlessman (talk) 16:31, 16 February 2017 (MST)
(@Knowlessman) Hey! Can you stop complaining about my lack of knowledge towards 5e and actually help me work on the page? I really want to make More cephalopods as subraces because more than just Octopi are cephalopods!!!!!!! Hormy (talk) 14:16, 21 February 2017 (MST)
I am helping, by fixing it so that it functions in 5e and is more consistent with other races in it. There are a lot of differences between 5e and 3.5, and I can't do as much about your knowledge of them as you can. If you don't have the PHB, there's a free Basic Rules PDF that covers some of the races and most or all of the mechanics. Knowlessman (talk) 14:44, 21 February 2017 (MST)
Thanks for helping me and sorry for snapping back at you. I just need people's help in creating this race's subraces. If you need assistance just find some sort of cephalopod or cephalopod based monster, run its name in google translate, and shove Bake- at the beginning and you have a subrace. Hope you can add more variety and texture to this race. Hormy (talk) 11:02, 22 February 2017 (MST)
Weaknesses, and Subraces
Does it really need both of those weaknesses? The Moist weakness in particular seems overly complicated. How does "You have disadvantage on Constitution saving throws to avoid becoming exhausted from extreme heat" sound? Also, ah, Sunlight Sensitivity is gonna make a Baketako who isn't a caster or in the Underdark kinda useless in most campaigns.
Also, just so you know, races that have subraces in 5e generally - or always, I think - have the base race give a +2 modifier to one ability score and have the subraces each give a +1 (or a +2, as one dwarf subrace does) to a different ability score. One of the decisions in making a race with subraces, then, is deciding which ability the main race should boost, and which abilities each of the subraces should boost. I don't know much in particular about marine biology, hence why I'm not trying to add anything and rather just checking for game balance and ease of use, so I'm mostly leaving the subraces to you. (Though I may trade the Color Spray trait for Stealth proficiency or something if I think what you're going for is camouflage).
Also, out of curiosity, is this race based on any work or legend in particular? Knowlessman (talk) 15:22, 21 February 2017 (MST)
- "... can take down ships in a minute. Your size is Large." ...I'm too lazy for this shit. Might take a look later, but don't hold your breath; I'll be in my tent. Knowlessman (talk) 20:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
- +4 Strength. You have a racial +4 to Strength. You start with an ability score at 18 unless you decide to only have it at 16. And this is the guy whose page this is, not even a troll. I'm done. I give up. I'm not - this argument is not worth it for a more balanced Octodad race. Knowlessman (talk) 20:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
(Psst. I'm not really here. Was poking around in Volo's, and noticed something that reminded me of the water thing. Grungs, evil poisonous tree frog people, have a trait in their description called Water Weakness: "A grung that fails to immerse itself in water for at least 1 hour during a day suffers one level of exhaustion at the end of that day. A grung can recover from this exhaustion only through magic or by immersing itself in water for at least 1 hour." The "only by magic or water" thing means that it retains that level of exhaustion regardless of whether it takes a long rest. This could easily be swapped in for the Keep Moist thing, maybe with a low Con save or something thrown in to blunt the impact. BTW 5e doesn't track combat encounters, whoever wrote the ink shot thing should either go back to 4e or read more 5e.)
I've been absent for a bit, and I'm a little miffed the race I made became a bit convoluted. I guess it is slightly my fault for leaving it unattended for so long. Going in to fix some of the weird bits of it, and trim the subraces. @Knowlessman Thanks for bringing up some of the problems of this race in the discussion, gives me an idea on where to start chipping away at. On the topic of Grungs, wizards recently released a teaser on the Grung race so I'm definitely going to use their rules on needing water. @Hormy Thanks for all the love and effort you've put in my race. I appreciate your passion, but we're going to have to trim the fat here and there to make this race easier to play with. While I love your subraces, honestly there are a bit too many. I'm going to start reworking this to see if we can't keep some of your ideas, but also not make the race totally game breaking. Ciao! --Balthazar (talk) 11:41, 18 October 2017 (MDT)