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Links and Equipment[edit]

Two questions, some links to pages that exist do not work and I know not why: Werewolf, Geas/Quest, Weretiger and wererat. My second question concerns the homebrew equipment section. If I am correct, Mundane items are nonmagical and can be reproduced, Magical items are magical and also can be recreated, Epic Magical items are powerful magical items with fame, Minor Artifacts are ancient magical items that cannot be recreated and Major Artifacts are extremly powerful and one-of-a-kind. If I am right, then some items like Ajaal's Iron Hand or Zokusho's Greatsword are in the wrong place. I'd change 'em myself but I dont know how, not sure if I am right and I dont think I have the authority. --Chainer 18:32, 20 December 2007 (MST)

I have made the aforementioned links. They were never made because no one got around to making redirects from them to their corresponding SRD page. If you find any more links like this please feel free to create them and link them appropriately. Also, about the homebrew equipment items, feel free to categorize them correctly. All you have to do to change the major category they are in (Mundane, Magic, Epic, etc) is change the corresponding category and replace it with what were you think the item should be. Let me know if you have any problems changing them, and thanks in advance. --Green Dragon 22:01, 20 December 2007 (MST)
Thanks. Sorry to bother again but how does one make redirects?--Chainer 18:15, 23 December 2007 (MST)
Put in #redirect before the wiki-link.--Calidore Chase 20:13, 23 December 2007 (MST)
For example, see this. --Green Dragon 11:46, 24 December 2007 (MST)

Your form letter to all beginners[edit]

I noticed that you send a form post to all beginners on their talk page. You might be interested to know that in it, when you talk about your pet peeve of people not using their signature, you spelled "it's" wrong, writing instead "is't".--Ramses IV 11:37, 24 December 2007 (MST)

I have fixed it, thanks. Sorry about that :S. --Green Dragon 11:46, 24 December 2007 (MST)


How do I add citations to an article? PS: are you sure the pict used for the background is OGL (or whatever)? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by T G Geko (talkcontribs) 19:31, 27 December 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

I am not sure the background image is OGL, since Sledged made it, he should know... Also, what exactly do you mean by references? Do you mean how is the reference extension used? Here is a good thing of how the aforementioned extension is used. --Green Dragon 19:45, 27 December 2007 (MST)

Extent of OGL[edit]

If something is not owned by wizard's of the coast, is it okay to stick it on the Wiki? Assuming it isn't copyrighted? I'm thinking along the lines of turning the dashing swordsman prestige class from Order of the Stick into an actual class. --Sir Milo Teabag 19:48, 31 December 2007 (MST)

If it is copyrighted it is generally OK to redevelop the idea. Think about stories like Wide Sargasso Sea, which take existing characters from other stories and redevelop them. So, for example, it is OK to make a Hero of Time PrC (relating to the Legend of Zelda). The problem comes in with trademarks. Those you cannot use. Zelda, Mario, and Bigby are trademarked words (note that the SRD can't even use trademarks since it allows anybody to print it). So, the Dashing Swordsman would be a great addition unless it has been trademarked (which is unlikely). --Aarnott 22:40, 31 December 2007 (MST)
For example J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings campaign setting is allowed to be here. The only real restriction is, as Aarnott said, is when it is copyright material. Feel free to post your own creations based of copyright work though. --Green Dragon 11:43, 1 January 2008 (MST)

The Year at Large - Visitor Style[edit]

D&D Wiki's statistical graph of 2007

This year has been a fairly good year for increasing the amount of visitors. Overall the number of unique visitors, pages viewed, hits, etc, just kept going up and up. The only iffy months were November and December, but I feel that the reason for the slight decrease in the number or visitors was because the SRD was moved around so Google and other search engines might not have linked to D&D Wiki as much as is normal. Anyway, let me know what everyone thinks about this graph, and happy new years! --Green Dragon 02:12, 1 January 2008 (MST)

I think that the last two months may have gone down because of the holidays. Hopefully they go back up in Jan. However overall I would say that the site is doing very well with large numbers of visitors for a site that is just under two years old. Happy New Year (alright- I admit it's over now). --sol 19:05, 5 January 2008 (MST)
Good point, I had not thought about that. --Green Dragon 17:19, 6 January 2008 (MST)

A jammed Prestige Class[edit]

Hi. I recently created a prestige class to complement the dashing swordsman, planning to establish it on the Wiki first and add details and background later. Unfortunately, something has gone wrong with editing, and there is no text under my entry, although it exists. I do not know how this happened. The class is the Aesthetic Caster (DnD Prestige Class) --Sir Milo Teabag 11:04, 1 January 2008 (MST)

The reason it was showing as a blank page was that the Template:PrC Description and the dplc had not been ended. I have ended both of these and the class should now show up. Let me know if you have any other problems, and happy new year! --Green Dragon 11:40, 1 January 2008 (MST)

Can you tell me what i'm doing wrong?[edit]

I'm trying to put in the monk fighting styles from unearthed arcana but the style i put in is not showing up on the fighting styles page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 20:37, 6 January 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts.

I have added it to the Monk Fighting Styles page. The Monk Fighting Styles page is not a dpl environment so everything has to be added manually. Sorry about that confusion. --Green Dragon 20:43, 6 January 2008 (MST)
And it now is a dpl environment. Thank you Sledged. --Green Dragon 14:02, 18 January 2008 (MST)

Userpage Boxes[edit]

Do you mind if I copy and edit the code you used to add similar boxes to my page? And also, perhaps someone could make a userbox template eventually. -- Cronocke 22:40, 6 January 2008 (MST)

Not at all. Please do! --Green Dragon 09:49, 8 January 2008 (MST)


Two questions. Can I post anything from Dragon and if so, where do I post a powerful demon like Asmodeus? I've seen a few races from the magazine posted on our site and thought it would be open content. I was thinking of placing what I've found in the Deity area but the demon overlords of the Nine Hells aren't exactly gods and they're certainly not regular monsters. --Chainer 18:42, 7 January 2008 (MST)

If it is OGL please feel free to add it, however if it is not it cannot be added. Also, if it is to be added, could it be treated as an overdeity? Would that categorization work? --Green Dragon 09:51, 8 January 2008 (MST)
A lot of things from Dragon and Dungeon mags are useful info, but much of it is author-created, trademarked info, and is generally not considered OGL content. Your best bet in utilizing any information like this is to properly reference it (I would use APA Formatting, as it is very professional looking -, and only use game mechanic stats. Do not post overt creative content, such as full histories and descriptions.
As for the powerful Hellish and Abyssal Lords of the Book of Vile Darkness and the Fiendish Codexes, do not treat them as Overdeities (Divine Rank 21+ is way too powerful). I would treat all evil lords as Legend/Hero Deities (Divine Rank 0) except for the big guys (such as Asmodeus, who might get away with being Divine Rank 1-2: Demigod). Also, I would personally recommend watching my own concept for variant divine status, Inath (3.5e Variant Rule). The default in D&D is that these demon/devil lords have no inherent Divine Rank. Applying Deific traits makes them a LOT more powerful on the whole.
Hope this helps. -- xido 22:53, 13 January 2008 (MST)
One last thing, just try to make sure you do not post copyrighted material here on D&D Wiki—other than that you should be good to go. --Green Dragon 11:39, 21 January 2008 (MST)

Unearthed Arcana[edit]

I transcribed the "Reputation" section from Unearthed Arcana. I just want to know if it is up to standard. I would appreciate some comments from some Admins before I continue to transcribe more Unearthed Arcana content. The page is visible here: User:Othtim/UnearthedArcana. Thank you for your time. --Othtim 22:46, 14 January 2008 (MST)

I would really ask Dmilewski what he had in mind with UA material before you add to much more. I think he wants to add it to the SRD, but I would really pose the question of what you can do to help with UA material to him (I am mainly saying this because UA material is currently all across D&D Wiki, some in classes, others in it's own section, etc etc.) Anyway, hope this helps! --Green Dragon 23:17, 14 January 2008 (MST)


Response moved to Talk:To the Heavens (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Vehicles It was a response to that question. --Green Dragon 14:01, 18 January 2008 (MST)

List of D&D d20 / 3.0/3.5 sourcebooks[edit]

I have been attempting to find a comprehensive list of D&D d20 sourcebooks. I have found several personal lists, but none that are in any way near complete. Even the company sites have dropped many of their own publications from their product lists.

I was thinking of something along the lins of an alphabetical listing of titles with a publisher Abvr. Followed by and individual entry sorted by Publisher:

Publisher (Header) Title Date Published; Form (Hardbound or Soft); Page count; MSRP $ General content information (Number of Races, monsters, feats, spells, ect.). And possibly some sort of editoral comment on usefulness.

I was hoping that the D&D wiki would be the place for this, and I could make entries but I could not possibly set this up (Gamer Ubergeek, Computer wimp). I currently have 160-200 d20 D&D books that I could enter.

Thank you Realpaladindm 08:52, 20 January 2008

I've created a page at Sourcebooks (DnD Other). Just follow what's there. Please use the discussion page there for questions. Please create an account so we can keep track of who posted what. --Pwsnafu 19:15, 20 January 2008 (MST)
First off, you have quite the book collection :). Secondly, I would love it for a comprehensive book list to be made here on D&D Wiki. The beginning of such a thing has been started, called the Publication List (and Sourcebooks (DnD Other) which needs to be incoporated into that..), and if you would like to add on to it please do. Also, look at any WotC book to see the format we currently use (for example Fiend Folio). Hope this helps! --Green Dragon 19:21, 20 January 2008 (MST)
I also began Publication List, which Dim then heartily took to updating with GADZ of new books. We should integrate them fully. I have a lot of non-D&D d20 books, as well as some friends who made their own d20 system mechanics. I am posting the published ones before I start into the rest. -- xido 02:55, 23 January 2008 (MST)
As a side note they actually do have to be published to be on that list... --Green Dragon 23:20, 23 January 2008 (MST)
I was about to do a major update and I found the page deleted. I know that there is another section that does reference many publicaations, but I thought a simple list would be preferable for ease of reference. I am not well versed in computer formatting (cut and paste is usually the best I can do)and have no idea how to add to this other listing as each seems to have individual entries. If there is any way to give me the format back, I will cut and paste my entire list over, and then begin to do the actual finishing for that format. Thank You. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Realpaladindm (talkcontribs) 02:30, 24 January 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts.
If you would like to help with the publications just ask Dmilewski what you can do to help and he will help you find something for you to do. --Green Dragon 11:28, 25 February 2008 (MST)

4E Stuff[edit]

Isn't it about time to discuss how 4e material gets posted here? With WotC having released the elf, are we using headers? Or boldface? etc. What about the now nerfed-SDR? Now that NPC are different to PC, do we need a template for monsters and a different one for pregens? Regards --Pwsnafu 18:56, 20 January 2008 (MST)

4e is kinda in the works right now, albeit no one is really working on it. The landing page and some of the sub-pages have been made (4e Homebrew), however a lot of work still needs to be done. If you would like, please feel free to help bring it up to the standards of Dungeons and Dragons and all it's sub-pages. Thanks! --Green Dragon 11:43, 21 January 2008 (MST)
I propose an edition translator program.
Take any version of D&D stats, put it into the fields - it then translates it to the version you want (D&D, AD&D - 2nd, v3D&D, v3.5D&D, v4D&D). Then, when the program is complete, and the public aware of its capacities, create a translator add-on to convert to other mechanics systems (White Wolf, GURPS, Rifts, etc.). How fun would that be?
It is not a sure thing, but if my company concept gets up and running this year, it would not be out of the realm of possibility. I think it would be a hoot to be able to have any edition of character or monster translated into another version's rules. But then, this is after the fantasy language translator, which is first priority on RPG multimedia content.
Also, the 4e-specific logo is done. I will post the link to it on Elfown for your review, and if it pleases you as a finalized design, I can upload it to the media page here as well. (logo final draft) -- xido 02:48, 23 January 2008 (MST)
An edition translator... That seems... like it would be very hard, possibly impossible, to get working. What are your ideas on it? How would it deal with classes abilities that are version specific (that use spells, etc)? I don't know, it would be very amazing to have working, but it seems far fetched. --Green Dragon 11:33, 11 February 2008 (MST)

Sihly me ... not paying respect to Dragon-type critters![edit]

Hey there Just realized you and BDragon were admin! heh ... glad I didn't pull your leg too hard! *grin*

FWIW I helped Okreya out with a start to his page ... if you know him, chip in something? BTW: if you don't know it, ask me about "stone soup". (Not just kidding!)

ben aka --TogoGrandeSmials 21:19, 20 January 2008 (MST)

No respect is needed! Admins are only users with more burden... Also, I do not know Okreya (except via the tavern) so I do not know how much I would be able to pitch in... Sorry about that. --Green Dragon 11:59, 21 January 2008 (MST)

MoI on my profile[edit]

Ok ... soooo I figured out that MoI = Message of Interest. /*D'uh!*
Would you peek my profile? I messed up the template somehow ... which is odd since I only copied/pasted ... sooo I don't know what I frabbed.
---TGS TogoGrandeSmials 13:28, 21 January 2008 (MST)

Better? --Green Dragon 13:40, 21 January 2008 (MST)

Monster CR Questions[edit]

Let's say you have a creature you posted, like with my Mirror Golem, that has a toned down version of it that I called a Faux Mirror Golem, with a different CR, isn't it possible to handle the Listing by CR differently? As an alternative, may I suggest making a redirect page that links to the alternative creature in the creature listing, and that the listing in the different CR links to the redirect page? That could perhaps help and make your comprehensive creature listing a bit tidier to look at. To illustrate, I made a separate Faux Mirror Golem redirect entry instead of linking the original creature page to the supplement creature's CR category. Do you think this could work? If not, I can revert the edits. I could see this possibly work well for Dragon listings per age category as well. :P --Sulacu 00:33, 24 January 2008 (MST)

Okay. As I see it there are two ways to make this work nicely. One is too just make both the CR 9 and the CR 15 page link to the same page, the standard Mirror Golem page. This is the method I used by adding two "Back to" footers and having two CR categories present. This is option one. Option two is to split the Mirror Golem up into two pages, one called "Mirror Golem (DnD Creature)" and the other called something like "Mirror Golem, Faux (DnD Creature)". You can choose, do you want Mirror Golem to be linked to twice or do you want two seperate mirror golem entries to exist? Let me know what you decide and I will make sure everything works. --Green Dragon 00:40, 24 January 2008 (MST)
If you want several types of Mirror Golems, I suggest using "Mirror Golem, Faux (DnD Creature)", "Mirror Golem, Stained Glass (DnD Creature)", "Mirror Golem, Greater (DnD Creature)", etc and have a page "Mirror Golem, (DnD Creature)" that gives an overview of the creature type and links to all the varieties. If you want 2-3 variants, it is easier for other users to see it on a single page. --Aarnott 21:19, 24 January 2008 (MST)
For example Bokiin (DnD Race)#Bokiins as Creatures. --Green Dragon 14:10, 26 January 2008 (MST)

What needs locking[edit]

I will just list the pages that need locking here

Half-Orc, from R.M.G.C.L.F. (DnD Race)

To MoI (Message of Interest) someone just press the "MoI a user about this change" blue link next to the "Show Changes" button while editing a page. Or, you can just post the links to the races here and I will lock them :). Either will work. As a side comment races are not finished being fully added to D&D Wiki until they are also manually added to the appropriate LA page (for example LA 0 races need to be manually added to LA 0 Races). Anyway, again, thank you so much for working on this massive project. --Green Dragon 00:04, 25 January 2008 (MST)
duh, i forgot you guys need to manually add them, its not like the homebrew section where they automatically appear there...--Cerin616, Drew 10:01, 25 January 2008 (MST)
I know, someone needs to make it a dpl environment... I believe that LA 6 Races uses a dpl to organize it, but all the other races need to be maunally added. Sorry about that. --Green Dragon 11:06, 25 January 2008 (MST)
Yea thats fine... another question, what should i do if the authors Wizard Forum Account no longer exists to inform them of completion...? and once those are added to LA, the two authors are complete--Cerin616, Drew 23:42, 25 January 2008 (MST)
Sledged and I made a dpl for LA0 races (which can be applied to any other LA). I'm going to finish doing that soon. We don't actually need to update the tables anymore! --Aarnott 11:00, 26 January 2008 (MST)
But yet again, what should i do if none of the authors can be contacted? their information is still there, but their profiles and email addresses are all invalid. I keep getting the "message failed" and "Email cannot be sent" --Cerin616, Drew 11:27, 26 January 2008 (MST)
Check the WotC forums' code of conduct and see to what extend the races can be copied. —Sledged (talk) 11:51, 26 January 2008 (MST)
Sounds good, ill check it out, and i moved this stuff, now ill make lists of what needs locking, and everything will be set.--Cerin616, Drew 14:34, 26 January 2008 (MST)
wizards Terms of use states that any person may use this information in a non commercial way as long as we give full credit to the authors. so according to that it should be perfectly fie to take the information and attach a cite template on it. But then again later on it says we can't distribute it... i think we might need to get permission, but maybe someone else can look to confirm my suspicions... --Cerin616, Drew 14:42, 26 January 2008 (MST)
Ok... so everything that could possibly be done without contacting authors is complete... I cannot inform authors of completion, nore can i ask new ones for permission, seeing as the PM system is no longer operative, and all the EMails are invalid... Any ideas..?--Cerin616, Drew 13:39, 28 January 2008 (MST)
Just add something like "Impossible" and call it done. --Green Dragon 13:44, 28 January 2008 (MST)
Plus i can probably get Rath_roberts done, if i can find the info... and so much information will be lost...--Cerin616, Drew 13:46, 28 January 2008 (MST)
I say if it cannot be found (deleted from forums) or if the author no longer is present on wizards then just write "Impossible" across the table and call that contributor good. --Green Dragon 13:48, 28 January 2008 (MST)

←Reverted indentation to one colon

Most of the information is probably still there, but we can't talk to the contributors. And im not sure what the terms of use wizards has will allow... I Wish there was a way to save it all somehow. I think i might try contacting wizards community about it...--Cerin616, Drew 13:55, 28 January 2008 (MST)
Ok, i sent an EMail to them, the only problem is that im pretty sure they will want the information copyrighted... Is there a way we can lsit this stuff as copyrighted material?--Cerin616, Drew 15:24, 28 January 2008 (MST)
I would say email them and ask them about things on the wizards forums, and we can decide what to do based on their answer. --Green Dragon 16:52, 28 January 2008 (MST)
Wow, so it seems i have been ignored, they would not send my email... Next step i will take is phone call, and if that won't work, formal letter! Let the battle for copyrighted material begin! and maybe we should clean up this discussion a little, i have to do a lot of scrolling to get to the bottom now... lol--Cerin616, Drew 19:47, 31 January 2008 (MST)
Screw it, I am writing a letter... Is it possible to either create a copyright plan for this information, I know its supposed to be free, but i dont know if wizards will go for that, or possibly they can choose whether or not to have something taken down...? --Cerin616, Drew 20:08, 31 January 2008 (MST)
Maybe we could tell them something along the lines of "we will make sure to supply a link to the wizards page as well as give full credit to the author"? I could see them going for that, hopefully. --Green Dragon 21:53, 31 January 2008 (MST)
Yea basically i said that we are asking their permission because technically we are electronically distributeing it... but we won't profit etc. etc. We will give credit to both the author and to the Wizards forums, and if at anytime they feel that the information should be taken down, we will comply. Is that all ok? Ill wait until you respond before i mail the letter.--Cerin616, Drew 08:54, 1 February 2008 (MST)
Sounds fine to me. --Green Dragon 11:48, 4 February 2008 (MST)
WotC seems to be ignoreing me... i wish they could atleast have replied... i figure that means "no"--Cerin616, Drew 12:48, 10 February 2008 (MST)
When did you send the letter? It may not have arrived yet... --Green Dragon 00:39, 11 February 2008 (MST)

Move problem[edit]

Hi! I tried to move a PrC (just changed it's title), but something gone wrong... When I go to the PrC with description page, my class appears under the new starting letter but with it's old name and with the old link... Can you fix that please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by ElfsMaster (talkcontribs) 04:53, 30 January 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts.

What was the name of your PrC? --Green Dragon 11:23, 30 January 2008 (MST)
If it was the Bladesong Warrior then I have fixed the problem. --Green Dragon 11:24, 30 January 2008 (MST)
Yes, it was that. Sorry for not saying the name of the PrC, I totally forgot, and thanks for fixing it. --ElfsMaster 17:04, 30 January 2008 (MST)
Not a problem. --Green Dragon 20:26, 30 January 2008 (MST)

Admin Rights[edit]

Would you mind giving me admin rights so that I can change all the feat categories to DPLs like I did with races? I will need the rights to change all the NBOF feats since they are all protected and make up a large majority of the feats present. Otherwise I can post on my server the quick script I used that generates the x0 template that needs to be added for all the feats and an admin can change all the protected ones. --Aarnott 09:36, 31 January 2008 (MST)

Done. Let me know when you are finished. --Green Dragon 12:17, 31 January 2008 (MST)
It has ended up being a MUCH more difficult task than I anticipated, so I might just revert the main General Feat page. Is there any way I could use a script to do it? Any language works -- I pretty much know them all. I understand you wouldn't want to risk the site and content with a poor script either, so I would definitely let someone else (Blue Dragon or Dmilewski maybe) check that my script indeed does not destroy the wiki and they could run it. If I used a script I could do some really neat automated things such as creating feat trees (it will check pre-requisite feats and create a tree). Anyways -- let me know what you think. --Aarnott 12:17, 5 February 2008 (MST)
One question: How are you going to indent feats in the dpl? I think that needs to be worked out before this really takes place. However, if you do come up with a script, I would be more than happy to let it run (I trust your code—and it cannot be worse than that one script by Dmilewski :P). Anyway, I am curious as to the tree feats, so let me know what you have in mind. --Green Dragon 12:26, 5 February 2008 (MST)
This area has a number of issues:
  • How will a feat be listed if it's part of more than one tree?
  • Will the feats be listed by themselves in addition to part of a tree?
  • How far do we indent? Trees can get very deep.
  • How will the feats in a tree be listed if the feats are from multiple categories/pages (e.g. General, Epic, Divine, etc...)?
And I'm sure there's other issues of which I haven't considered. —Sledged (talk) 12:34, 5 February 2008 (MST)
I think if I explain the idea behind the script it would make things much clearer and hopefully answer most of the questions. Here is the steps the script would take in order to create a feat tree.
  1. Parse the existing data on that users have entered on the feat table to find the NBoF rating, the description, prereqs. (I have already written a script in php that does this.
  2. Create a list of all the different feats in the table and determine based on the prereqs which feat is a "child" feat of a particular "parent" feat.
  3. Go through each feat page and prepend a template that the dpl will use. The template will include any child feat information. I realized half way through that I should use the existing "Feat Description" template and not the x0 template... For example:
{{Feat Description
|prereqs=blah -- I can have the script also get rid of the feat prereqs
|child2=Improved Bull Rush
|child3=Improved Overrun
|child4=Improved Sunder
The last part is to create a dpl that creates an entry in a table for the feat and then an entry for each child. That part is what I really need to check if it is possible -- namely a recursive way to include the information. Each level of recursion would have a multiplier on the about of "tabbing" that happens (which can be a predetermined amount of whitespace). So a top level one would be zero times the amount of tabbing and a child of that would be one times the amount of tabbing etc. From my readings of how dpl works I think this is possible. --Aarnott 13:11, 5 February 2008 (MST)
If you're going to parse prereqs to get the parent feats, the childX parameters are going to be redundant. Also, using childX parameters is somewhat impractical given that any time a new feat is added, every feat that is a prereq for the new feat has to be edited to include it.
What happens if the parent feat is not part of the current list? For instance, all the exalted feats named "Avatar of ..." are epic feats, so they're listed on the epic feats page, but none of it's prereq feats are listed on that page because none of them are epic feats. This also applies to any feat that has an SRD feat prereq. —Sledged (talk) 13:48, 5 February 2008 (MST)
When you parse the prereqs, how are you going to determine whether or not a string is a feat or not? If you're using links to make that determination, there's an issue if a user doesn't use links or uses redirects. —Sledged (talk) 13:52, 5 February 2008 (MST)
To figure out which ones are child links it would be storing all the names and compare name to name (stripping out link information) rather than only looking at links. But I see what you are saying about determining what to include and having to update things manually. This probably isn't the solution after all. I had toyed with the idea of specifying the parent feats when you create a new feat, which makes a LOT more sense, but I'm not confident that dpl would be able to do that. That sort of thing is something best suited to a code approach, which is definitely beyond the scope of a wiki. Do you think there is a way to specify the parent and use that? It would first have to find all feats in a particular category, and then it would have to match each feat with a parent to its parent somehow. Hrm... Seems like we may just have to stick with manually updating a feat table. --Aarnott 14:18, 5 February 2008 (MST) >> Edit: I had the default to minor edits by accident. Just making sure this appears as a normal edit :)
For now, I'd say forget about the trees and just dpl each page as per races and base classes. Displaying the trees would most likely require a custom extension. The biggest obstacle would be compensating for user error. —Sledged (talk) 14:35, 5 February 2008 (MST)
Well, regardless, I won't need admin rights to write the script. You can remove them now.
I will need to see the script Dmilewski used so I can know how to access the databe to make changes directly. Or you could just send me the database schema, username and password. Or I could look up the schema by d/ling Media Wiki... But it would probably be a lot easier to use his script. f you got me the db schema (which I can give you the command to print out), I could make the script and you can just sub in the username/password. Any way works for me. I feel leery just running a script on the db directly though, so I'll see if I can make a dummy version of D&D wiki on my localhost. What version of media wiki do you use? --Aarnott 20:29, 7 February 2008 (MST)
No one has done a back-end datebase script yet (and I do not think that would be the best idea, seeing how no one could see the edit—unless I am confused as to what you mean by database scipt). I know Blue Dragon uses perl's cgi mechanize feature, I am not sure what Dmilewski uses... You may want to ask him. Anyway, You can see the version of mediawiki we use, and the version of all the extensions, at Special:Version. Regards. --Green Dragon 09:57, 8 February 2008 (MST)
If you would like I can send you a script Blue Dragon wrote... Let me know what you decide. --Green Dragon 00:40, 11 February 2008 (MST)
That would be very helpful. Right now I have installed Media Wiki on a localhost server to test it out. --Aarnott 12:44, 12 February 2008 (MST)
Here is the script that I recently used to modify the backto footers on spells:

use warnings;
use strict;

use utf8;

use WWW::Mechanize;
use XML::Simple;
use Data::Dumper;
use HTML::Sanitizer;

$| = 1;

my $loginname = "aarnott";
my $loginpassword = "password";
my $pathtobase = "";

unless ($ARGV[0])
	print "Form: ./ FILE_OF_PAGES\n\n";

print '
| DanDWiki Bots    v0.1           |
| -- Spell Backto  v0.1           |
|                                 |
| Author: Kasimir Gabert          |


#Load the mech
my $mech = WWW::Mechanize->new( agent	=>	'Dandwiki Helper', );
my $xml_parser = new XML::Simple;
my $safe = new HTML::Sanitizer(  '*' => 1 );

print "Logging in to as '$loginname'...";
print "done.\n";

print "Retrieving pages...";

# Open the file
open (my $input_handle, "<", $ARGV[0]);
# Grab the titles of the pages to be called
my @titles_array = <$input_handle>;
close ($input_handle);

my %pages;
#Download in groups of 30 titles
for (my $i = 0; $i < scalar(@titles_array); $i=$i+30)
	my $titles = join("|",splice(@titles_array,$i,30));
	$titles =~ s/\n//g;
	# The titles have now been formatted, they should be retrieved from the wiki

	my $ret_pages = query_wiki("action=query&prop=revisions&titles=$titles&rvprop=content");
	# Loop through each returned page
	foreach my $page (@{$ret_pages->{query}->{pages}->{page}})
		my $content = $page->{revisions}->{rev};
		my $pageid = $page->{pageid};
		my $title = $page->{title};
		$pages{$pageid} = {"content" => $content, "title" => $title};

print "done.\n";

print "Working on items... ->\n\tCompleted: \n";

# Loop through each page, and make the required modifications
my @failed;
foreach my $pageid (keys %pages)
	print "Processing $pageid...";
	my $orig_content = $pages{$pageid}->{content};
	my $page_title = $pages{$pageid}->{title};
	# Loop through each line and pass it through HTML Sanitizer
	my @lines = split("\n",$orig_content);
	my @newlines;
	foreach my $line (@lines)
		# Trick the parser to escape all wiki extension encoding issues
		my $nline = $line;
		$nline =~ s/</MYFAKELT/g;
		$nline =~ s/>/MYFAKEGT/g;
		$nline = $safe->filter_html_fragment($nline);
		$nline =~ s/MYFAKELT/</g;
		$nline =~ s/MYFAKEGT/>/g;
		push @newlines, $nline;
	my $filtered_content = join("\n",@newlines);
	my $content = $filtered_content;
	$content =~ s/'/'/g;
	$content =~ s/"/"/g;
	# Process the page
	# 1) Find and cut off the current back to
	my $categories;
	my $templates;
	if ($content =~ /^.*?\s*\n\s*?----\s*?\n.*?Back.*?(\{\{.*?)?(\[\[Category:.*\]\])(\s)*$/s)
		# Save the categories
		$templates = ($1) ? $1 : "";
		$categories = $2;
		$content =~ s/^(.*?)\s*\n\s*?----\s*?\n.*?Back.*?.*$/$1/s;
		print "cut,";
		print "FAILED ON $pageid : $page_title AT 1\n";
		push @failed, $page_title . " \@1";

	# 2) Find and determine the type of spells
	my @types;
		my @cats = split("\n",$categories);
		foreach my $cat (sort (@cats))
			$cat =~ s/^\[\[Category:(.*?)\]\]$/$1/;
			# See whether or not the category is a type
			if ($cat =~ m#(Arcane Warrior)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Bard)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Blackguard)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Cleric)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Diplomat)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Druid)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Elementalist)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Mystic Warrior)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Onmyoji)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Paladin)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Red Mage)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Ranger)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Sorcerer/Wizard)#)
				push @types, $1;
			elsif ($cat =~ m#(Witch)#)
				push @types, $1;
		print "found,";
	if ($@)
		print "FAILED ON $pageid : $page_title AT 2\n";
		push @failed, $page_title . " \@2";
	# 3) Build the backto footer
	my $footer = "\n\n\n----\n";
		my $basebackto = "Back to [[Main Page]] → [[Dungeons and Dragons]] → [[DnD Complex Special Ability Components|Complex Special Ability Components]] →";
		foreach my $type (sort (@types))
			if ($type)
			$footer .= $basebackto . " [[DnD $type Spells|$type Spells]]<br/>\n";
		$footer .= $templates . $categories;
		print "built,";
	if ($@)
		print "FAILED ON $pageid : $page_title AT 3\n";
		push @failed, $page_title . " \@3";
	# 4) Recreate and save the page
		my $new_content = $content . $footer;
		# Determine whether the page needs to be saved
		if ($new_content ne $orig_content)
			my $save = save_wiki($page_title,$new_content,"Modifying backto footer");
			if ($save == 1)
				print "saved";
				print "ERROR SAVING!";
			print "ALREADY GOOD";
	if ($@)
		print "FAILED ON $pageid : $page_title AT 4\n";
		push @failed, $page_title . " \@4";
	print "...success.\n";

print "\n\nFailed on:\n";
print join("\n",@failed);
print "\n";

sub query_wiki
	my $queries = shift;
	# Parse the returned XML
	my $response = $xml_parser->XMLin($mech->content);
	return $response;

sub save_wiki
	my ($title,$content,$summary) = @_;
		my $mech_form = $mech->form_name('editform');
		$mech_form->enctype( "application/x-www-form-urlencoded" );
		$mech->field('wpTextbox1', $content);
		$mech->field('wpSummary', $summary);
	unless ($@)
	        return 1;
	return 0;

Procedure for Class Creation[edit]

I wondered what the procedure was for creating a new class, because I'm thinking of creating an alternate Myrmidon class. --Tetsurga 15:49, 31 January 2008

Go to Add New DnD Class and you can add one from there, following the instructions provided. --Aarnott 16:45, 31 January 2008 (MST)
If it isn't too much trouble could you take a look at the revised Myrmidon class. --Tetsurga 19:14, 31 January 2008
Yea ill take a look, if there is anything specific you need checked out let me know. --Cerin616, Drew 19:36, 31 January 2008 (MST)
I took a look at it. --Green Dragon 12:29, 4 February 2008 (MST)

More on the to-do-list[edit]

Well, since i will probably be waiting for WotC to respond... I am going to keep working on the to do list. Im going to start out with the OGC. Ill let you know when its done so you can take a look. And is there anything special you want to me to categorize them as in the footer?--Cerin616, Drew 09:43, 1 February 2008 (MST)

Darkaralome (DnD Race) Thats the first one done. I think that maybe these should have their own catagory as well, and also i might need a little help from anyone to make up a background etc.--Cerin616, Drew 09:58, 1 February 2008 (MST)
Take a look now, that is how they should all be added (albeit that one is not formatted correctly, nor is the Template:x0 and Template:Author done). --Green Dragon 12:02, 1 February 2008 (MST)
Where did you get all that extra info...? and ill make those extra pages, deity and equip. Plus i just wikified it. --Cerin616, Drew 15:59, 1 February 2008 (MST)
I wikified the page, but i still need to do the feat at the bottom... The weapon page i made for lomepick is good, but the deity page for Lo'hemeh is ehh--Cerin616, Drew 16:45, 1 February 2008 (MST)
I have changed the deity around a bit. Also, all that is left to do is that feat and it is done :). --Green Dragon 11:09, 4 February 2008 (MST)

Effective caster levels and feats.[edit]

Ok first I'll Start with an example, a lvl 2 Sorc Rakshasa, thats the base of this, now then could it take feats that require arcane caster lvl 1st-9th or can it only take feats with lvl 1st-2nd, the reason I ask is bacuse the Rakshasa template states that the player if they take the Sorc class the Sorc lvls and the 7 lvls from the Rakshasa stack for deturmining effective caster lvl and for casting and other like effects and also famlure, sp would feats fall under like effects? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Vike Oden (talkcontribs) 00:00, 2 February 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts.

It states: If the character takes additional levels of sorcerer, these levels stack with the rakshasa’s base spellcasting ability for spells known, spells per day, and other effects dependent on caster level. So, based on the last statement, I would say that, yes, you can take feats that require a level 9 sorcerer. Does this help? --Green Dragon 00:41, 2 February 2008 (MST)
Yes it does thank you very much. --Vike Oden Some Time, 4 February 2008 (MST)
No problem. --Green Dragon 11:55, 4 February 2008 (MST)

Bow Master[edit]

Please don't delete the Bow Master, I am still working on it. I still have to add content.--Tetsurga 16:05, 2 February 2008 (MST)

Now that the Bow Master is finally finished, could someone go take a look at it?--Tetsurga 22:35, 2 February 2008 (MST)
It will no longer be deleted, and I will take a look at it. Sorry about that. --Green Dragon 10:18, 4 February 2008 (MST)

Hi I want to help[edit]

Hi there I just joinged and thought I might be able to help out. To start I might try to wikify some of the pages that need it I just did Alien Warrior is this anything like what your after? please let me know if anything is wrong so I can fix it and remove the wikify tag. Hawk 02:00, 6 February 2008 (MST)

That is exactly what is meant to be done with with a wikify tag. Thanks so much for doing that! --Green Dragon 08:48, 8 February 2008 (MST)
Your welcome. I don't have all that much to add myself and I saw what an awesome place this was (you've done a great job here this is one of the best sites for homebrew information) so I wanted to help somehow I have some experience with wiki formating and the preloads make it really easy so I thought that'll do as a start, can find something else to do when I'm done. Hawk 09:31, 8 February 2008 (MST)
As a side comment I think this is the first time that the pages that have needed to be wikified have been looked at since Template:Wikify came into existence (about a year ago) so this is really a good thing what you are doing :). Thanks again. --Green Dragon 09:34, 8 February 2008 (MST)
Lol glad to be of service boss *salutes* got anything else you want me to do or any suggestions just let me know. On a side note the NPCs, Classes and Races are all going to take a little longer than creatures do you have an inuse tag just in case and if not would it be ok if I made one (probably just copy wikipedias over) Hawk 09:40, 8 February 2008 (MST)
We do not have that tag, what is that tag exactly? Is that the one where a user adds it to a page so no one else edits it while he/she does? If it is that one I would not be to worried... D&D Wiki is not quite as busy as wikipedia :P. --Green Dragon 09:44, 8 February 2008 (MST)
Yeah that's the one I know it isn't quite as busy round here (this site's more interesting though) I only mention it because I actually had an edit conflict before someone had saved an edit while I was editing the same page so thought better to be safe than sorry. Hawk 09:48, 8 February 2008 (MST)
That was probably me, sorry about that. Feel free to port it over. --Green Dragon 09:51, 8 February 2008 (MST)
Thanks Shall do it tomorrow right now i'm going to bed really got to stop staying up till 4am... i'm not even tired but i better lol. I work till 11pm get home and am wide awake. Hawk 09:55, 8 February 2008 (MST)
I added an inuse tag template:inuse I didnt copy wikipedias straight over as theirs uses more than one template that dand wiki dont use or need so I didnt bother and made my own. Didnt think that would be much of a problem as im probably going to be the only one useing it Hawk 07:52, 9 February 2008 (MST)
It looks very good, thanks for porting that over. --Green Dragon 18:44, 10 February 2008 (MST)

Signing Comments[edit]

Alright, I have tried every variation I could think of, but still I can't seem to find the proper method of signing comments so that my name is automatically linked to my page. I always use --~~~~, but end up having to make a second edit every time in order to change 'Sulacu' into [[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]]. Could you please give me some insight on this? --Sulacu 07:38, 9 February 2008 (MST)

The problem seems like a problem in your user preferences. Click "my preferences" (right by link to user and user-talk page). Make sure you are on the "User Profile" tab. Delete everything in the "Real Name" space and, click save, and it should work. Try it out in the Sandbox and tell me if it works! Hope this helps. --Green Dragon 14:09, 9 February 2008 (MST)
Nope, doesn't help. My name remains linkless when I sign comments. Personally, I don't mind much to make a second edit in order to link my name, but I was wondering why it didn't work :P. --Sulacu 18:19, 9 February 2008 (MST)
PS. Never mind, I think I got it. The Raw Signature box was ticked for some reason. I suppose undoing that helps it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. --Sulacu 18:21, 9 February 2008 (MST)
Glad you figured it out! --Green Dragon 18:43, 10 February 2008 (MST)

Candidate for Deletion[edit]

I was going to wikify this page Faelorgn's Power Surge (3.5e Epic Spell) but was looking at the history it appears to me like the author wants it deleted (he blanked it after writing it and there is a link to his email to "get the rest of the entry"). I'd suggest deleting it or contact the author. I added the delete template. If you want to keep just let me know and I'll wikify it (it's pretty much done anyway). Hawk 09:36, 10 February 2008 (MST)

I say contact them. --Green Dragon 01:23, 11 February 2008 (MST)
I have sent them an email maybe I'll get lucky and the email address will still be valid lol. Hawk 06:19, 11 February 2008 (MST)
We can only hope :). If they do not answer I say we should just keep it... --Green Dragon 12:36, 11 February 2008 (MST)
Fair enough, give it a week then remove the delete tag Hawk 18:05, 11 February 2008 (MST)
I got a reply :-O wasn't expecting that. It was apparently never meant to be blanked "Actually it's not supposed to be blank. When creating the Spell, I followed all instructions properly. When I was finished though and submitted the page, there was nothing. So I abandoned both the spell and the site." He seems to think in the next bit that I want to delete it so I will reply to clarify that I don't I just wanted to know if he wanted it deleted. Forgot to sign Hawk 21:05, 12 February 2008 (MST)
Sounds good, so I guess we will be keeping it here :). --Green Dragon 22:38, 12 February 2008 (MST)


hello! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Archangel (talkcontribs) 18:36, 10 February 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts.

Hello....? --Green Dragon 18:42, 10 February 2008 (MST)

Relic in Limbo[edit]

Hello, I am responding to your help with a relic I added to your site to be attached to my campaign page (Crimson Armor). I tried to add them to the item list under relics, but since my knowledge is limited on this sort of thing, I must have missed a step and now it sits in limbo on the site. I can't remember what I called it (Crimson Gloves, or Crimson Armor Set or something). If you can assist that would be great... Sorry to cause you any problems... M Klingseisen 09:06, 11 February 2008

I took a look at the Special:TrueOrphans (which excludes DPL and SRD links) and I was not able to find any thing with "armor" or "gloves" present. Do you know when you added them? If it was a few days a ago I can most likely still find it... Also, if you have any idea what the name was it would be very helpful. Sorry about not being able to find it yet. --Green Dragon 11:47, 11 February 2008 (MST)
I also took a look at your contributions to D&D Wiki[1] and was not able to find any page you created or worked on other then Crimson Armor (DnD Campaign Setting)‎, Talk:Crimson Armor (DnD Campaign Setting)‎, and this talk page. Maybe you were not logged in when you made this relic? --Green Dragon 11:51, 11 February 2008 (MST)


Sorry to bother you Wiki Master (WM) but I was wondering if you could tell me what you think of my Userpage. I still don't fully like it after all that. After doing all that work turns out about half those pages can be merged (I was using a template that seperates them) might merge them when I get a chance but that doesnt fix the fact I'm still not happy :-( lol Hawk 18:13, 11 February 2008 (MST)

I think it looks good. The one area of improvement could be the colors, maybe make them more D&D-ish (colors that can be found in the skin, templates, etc). Also you should consider making one generic template and making all the pages use that one. Anyway, good work :). --Green Dragon 01:27, 12 February 2008 (MST)
I was thinking about changing the colors those ones were mostly just coz I hadn't picked any yet I shall experiment. Yeah was planning on fixing that up, when I get around to it I'll tag the pages for deletion I don't need. Thanks for your input much appreciated. Hawk 08:20, 12 February 2008 (MST)
No problem :). --Green Dragon 12:04, 12 February 2008 (MST)

New Here[edit]

im new to posting on this wiki, and i had created a DnD class, but it hasnt been updated on the class page yet, so im not sure if it's just cause an admin has approve it or if i have to edit page to display it. so some feed back would be helpful and thanks --Verictord1768 02:53, 12 February 2008 (MST)

Make sure the page you created has the appropriate category tags at the bottom. At minimum, it should have [[Category:DnD]], [[Category:User]], [[Category:Class]], and [[Category:Base Class]]. If it still doesn't show up on the list page, click on the "purge" link at the top of the list page. —Sledged (talk) 10:12, 12 February 2008 (MST)
The class you are talking about it the "Shieldguard (DnD Class)", right? First off it needs to have a "(DnD Class)" identifier at the end to show up on DnD Base Classes. Secondly it needs Template:DnD Base Class Infobox on the top (copy and change from another class) as well as categories on the bottom (as Sledged outlined above). I have made this class linked to, view the history to see what I did. Sorry about these problems. --Green Dragon 11:52, 12 February 2008 (MST)
Thanks for that --Verictord1768 21:41, 12 February 2008 (MST)
No problem. --Green Dragon 23:05, 12 February 2008 (MST)
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