Talk:Yin Style (Shinobi World Supplement)
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- Feels like there should be a single target sleep jutsu, and not just temple of nirvana. Maybe lke 6 chakra and a range of 30 ft.
- 6 seemed way too low, since unconcious is easily the most powerful condition and even just becoming restrained costs 10 at least.--Ref3rence (talk) 12:38, 19 January 2023 (MST)
But on a hit they wake up, plus sleep is a first level spell, granted it works against hit points rather than with a saving throw, but still. Maybe you can actually incorperate the strength of the target. Like it costs more depending on the cl or cr. Also I've done a ton of these today and a few yesterday, and I really appreciate the fast responses.
- Thanks, I appreciate the feedback, even if I might not always agree. Sleep affects creatures with fewer hit points first, meaning that a boss will almost never be affects. Sleep Genjutsu trades that fact for a higher cost and keeps the damage caveat, since otherwise a 5th level player (possibly lower) could cast a jutsu once and spend a full minute getting free critical hits and auto-fail fireballs. It sets out too clear of the easiest way to win.--Ref3rence (talk) 17:09, 19 January 2023 (MST)
I was under the impression if a sleeping creature takes damage they wake up, is that not true? Because that feels a bit odd. Like idk about you but if I get punched in my sleep I'm definitely waking up. Also cast at 3rd level sleep can affect 9d8 hitpoints of creature, and a lot of boss fights have the small fry taken out pretty quickly, so at 5th level an average of 41 hit points is a pretty good chance to hit. Also yeah even on your wording for the spell it says the effect ends if the target takes damage, which makes sense. Also they get saving throws on this that they don't get when sleep is cast, so I feel making it a little cheaper isn't too unreasonable.
- There's nothing in 5e's core rules that states that an unconscious creature automatically wakes up when they take damage, this kind of thing has to either be decided by a DM on their own or put in mechanics (like the sleep spell and Sleep Genjutsu have). I'm still not sold on making it all too much cheaper, since you're still getting a free critical hit/auto-fail saving throw, but I see your point.--Ref3rence (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2023 (MST)