Talk:Hyrule: Scion (5e Class)

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There is no consisten rule in 5th edition that requieres a character to make con saves to not breathe or go without eating, such time periods are determined by ading one to your con mod. and this is the number of a time period, like 1+con minutes to hold your breath or 1+con days to go without food. --Rawkage (talk)

I believe you are correct, according to the PHB p. 185 raw, if you go without eating or drinking for a time, you just gain exhaustion levels and only make a Constitution save to avoid exhaustion when you drink half as much water as you need. Also, on p. 177 of the PHB there is a section under Constitution which says that "Go without sleep" is one of possible the ways a dm could have their pcs make a Constitution check.--Blobby383b (talk) 11:48, 21 January 2020 (MST)
-I think empowering the ability and shifting it to a higher level is a little bit of a problem, for once Nether knowledge is already a very powerful and thought-provoking ability for level 15 and apart from that the abilities of undead persistence are strongly influencing the play style and flavor of this class and granting that as late as level 15 has the problem of shifting a long established way of playing a character and taking an interesting role-play perspective away from lower level characters, I believe a good fix would be to separate the sleep drink breath and eat immunitys from the rest at level 3 and add the undead nature trait [Undead Nature. A (undead creatures name) does not require air, food, drink, or sleep.] to your patron transformation, which would also make a lot of sense when you really become an undead being through your transformation... A little later... After some additional consideration i found that a permanent passive effect like not haveing to eat should not be combined with an active on off switch, that only creates confusion over what happens when you end the effect, do you immediately starve or drown or die from the poison you ate an hour ago without noticing and if not can you end the poisoned condition when activateing this effect or when you are starving can you just peek into it for a moment and get a full belly. Aditionaly you could ague one could just stay transformed but that would just force one to overuse an ability that could otherwise be used to great effect in cinematic situations to ephasize or subtily remind others off the true nature of your character. Sorry but when i consider that i cant find any real problem with my original fix i just see no good reason to go with this--Rawkage (talk)

Spells Known Progression[edit]

"i saw that choosing a new spell when gaining only an asi would be more fun but for the sake of choosing new spells in accordance with newly reached spell levels this is probably for the best" --Rawkage's edit summary

Since a scion can replace a spell they know with a new spell at every level and there is no restriction on replacing a low-level spell with a higher level spell, the assumption was that the player would forgo one of their old spells to get a new higher-level spell at 5th level, 9th level, 13th level, and 17th level.
With the change it's possible to get, for example, two 2nd-level spells at 5th level. Previously it was only possible to get one at a time. Especially for a class with so few spells, I thought it would make that higher-level spell feel more weighty and powerful if you only had one of them for an entire level. - Guy 14:19, 22 January 2020 (MST)

I see your point, however this is still possible due to the fact that the exchange of a lower level spell is optional and it can be very frustrating when useing a magic point system to be able to use a new spell very frequently but being limited to only one especially when you have basically mandatory spell options that you would not want to delay but that are more situational than a simple combat spell like revivify or capture soul and still if you only need fire ball, you at least dont have to decide which other spell to give up. Also i cant really find any case in which spell progression is done in this way except for classes which prepare spells which is nit the case here.

Changes[edit]

Trying to actually use the Zelda content here is impossible when people keep making these random broken changes. 2A0B:F4C0:16C:12:0:0:0:1 15:52, 30 April 2021 (MDT)

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