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Elf Variant Picture[edit]

In response to your question about the picture- I think it is under the free use clause (rather than the GNU FDL). Do I need to add the copyright disclaimer? --Sam Kay 09:33, 20 February 2009 (MST)

I don't seem to be able to log on to the tavern... It seems broken- it is not showing any of the text... --Sam Kay 10:28, 20 February 2009 (MST)
I've added copyright disclaimer to the article. --Sam Kay 10:30, 20 February 2009 (MST)
Clıck the "tavern" optıon at the top and ıt should work. --Green Dragon 10:34, 20 February 2009 (MST)
There is no "tavern" option at the top, nor a "status" option... --Sam Kay 10:42, 20 February 2009 (MST)
Is this still a problem? Do you think you could upload a screenshot or something to see the problem more clearly? --Green Dragon 13:30, 13 March 2009 (MDT)


Hey Green. I know with your vacation and such things must be hectic, which may explain the lack of the end of the year fundraiser. I was just wondering if we would be having one anytime soon. Love to help if possible.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   16:30, 24 February 2009 (MST)

How are the servers treating everyone? If it's fine then I do not think we need a fundraiser. Although probably at the end of this year they'll be one anyway, maybe for a new switch or somesuch, because the current one is not that good. --Green Dragon 13:35, 13 March 2009 (MDT)

Ending a Table?[edit]

How do you end a class table? I seem to have a lot of trouble with this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sevalex (talkcontribs) 20:30, 2 March 2009 (MST). Please sign your posts.

I saw this and thought I'd answer for him. Ending a table is done by starting a final new line and typing |}. This closes the table template that should have been started on the first line with {| class="d20". Should you have any more questions, I suggest you use the designated areas for this, namely the Discussion or Tavern pages. -Valentine the Rogue 21:23, 2 March 2009 (MST)

Soulbinder Picture[edit]

I think I found a good picture for the soulbinder and wanted your opinion, ive asked permision to put it on the wii and am waiting to here back from the artist, let me know what you think,[1] Summerscythe 12:52, 4 March 2009 (MST)

Looks to me like it should work for the Soulbinder. Although maybe you could add that one to the variant and the old one back to the standard (since you will need a picture for that on in any case). --Green Dragon 09:57, 13 March 2009 (MDT)


I've been being a poor bastard, making my characters assuming that all of the information here is correct, and so far, all that I've seen is correct. But I wanted to make a Cleric... And I can't seem to find a definitive list of non-homebrew deities, which seems to be a bad thing for people looking for information on Clerics.. Any chance you could help out in that regard? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by King Froggeh (talkcontribs) 22:13, 4 March 2009 (MDT). Please sign your posts.

The core D&D deities you see in the Player's Handbook (as well as any from any campaign setting) are not Open Game Content. Basically put, we aren't allowed to post them online. While not specific to your question the Discussion:Why isn't every Prestige Class on the Wiki? discussion touches a lot on Open Game Content. Hope that helps. --Ganteka 22:18, 4 March 2009 (MST)
List of D&D Deities. The actual game information is product identity. --Green Dragon 23:51, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

Tavern Help[edit]

hi I'm centaurpwn3 and I have no idea how to yous the tavern chat--Centaurpwn3 18:04, 12 March 2009 (MDT)

Once you press the tavern link (on the side) it should allow you to type text into the bottom box (after the page loads). This may not work depending on which browser you are using. --Sabre070 04:22, 13 March 2009 (MDT)


Okay, I know this might sound dumb, but how does one put a prestige class in and have it come out in the standard format? I have a few ready to go (including my username's namesake), and just need it to come out right. Does it format automatically when you put your data in the right spots, or do you have to type in code for spacing and alignment? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mythos Specialist (talkcontribs) 19:38, 13 March 2009. Please sign your posts.

You have the template on the page, just replace where it says "<-helpful hint (can be anything)->" for example: "<-Some quote from a character of this class->" With what you want to be there. You can do Italics, Bold and Linking (''Italics'', '''Bold''' and [[User talk:Green Dragon|Linking]]). Also, please remember to sign your posts, thanks. --Sabre070 04:19, 13 March 2009 (MDT)

If You're Still Around...[edit]

Would you mind just popping into the Tavern for a second? Thanks. --TK-Squared 10:56, 13 March 2009 (MDT)

Netbook of Feat Balance[edit]

Discussion moved to Talk:The Netbook of Feats Rating System#Possible Removal

I Don't Know How to Use The Tavern[edit]

I don't know how to use the tavern --Centaurpwn3 17:08, 14 March 2009 (MDT)

You login by pressing the tavern link on the left hand side and then press "chat" (or something like that) on the top and type what you want to say. --Green Dragon 23:57, 12 July 2009 (MDT)


Hi Green, I figured it's finally time to move the rest of the DnD namespace to the 3.5e namespace and update the page contents appropriately. I figure I'll just make a bot do this. This cool with you? Also, I'll need an admin or something to update the homebrew pages so they make new content in the DnD namespace instead of the 3.5e namespace. Surgo 18:36, 14 March 2009 (MDT)

Oh wow, that would be awesome. As soon as you have a bot ready let me know, post the code here, and then I will give you admin privileges while you run it. --Green Dragon 18:43, 14 March 2009 (MDT)
Actually I figured I was just going to do it in Python and not even need admin privileges for most tasks, but I'll look up doing it in PHP instead -- it's probably a lot more direct and less straining on the Wiki. Surgo 18:45, 14 March 2009 (MDT)
Ah, okay. If you need admin privileges (for something like when changing all the page links to the most modern location and then deleting the old page) post the code and let me know please. If you do not need admin privileges then no need, of course. Also, to get some nice lists to use with the bot I would recommend you play around with the dpl in the sandbox. --Green Dragon 05:33, 15 March 2009 (MDT)

Interwiki Linking[edit]

I was wondering if there is a way for us to link between the main wiki and the mediawiki without using the full url link. Much like we can link to wikipedia by using the w: in our link (example: Dungeons & Dragons article on wikipedia. Any way this can be set up if it doesn't work yet? Maybe where a m: or mw: link would work?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   12:28, 15 March 2009 (MDT)

Yeah, which sections did you have in mind? --Green Dragon 04:43, 22 March 2009 (MDT)

Load times on DPL/Semantic Pages[edit]

Discussion moved to User talk:Blue Dragon#Load times on DPL/semantic wiki pages are very, very bad


I have a question about editing. How exactly do I edit one of the character class lists? If I want to say, i.e., someone is combat focused and a good character description? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Reavingking (talkcontribs) 08:08, 20 March 2009 (MDT). Please sign your posts.

Edit the class in question and change the related information in the infobox. --Green Dragon 00:00, 13 July 2009 (MDT)

Tome Categories Again[edit]

I saw you started deleting Category:Tome and replacing it with stuff like Category:Tome of Fiends. Can we keep Category:Tome on the stuff and just add Category:Tome of Fiends? I'd like all the related material to be collected under one category. Surgo 13:58, 25 March 2009 (MDT)

See also Tome Material. --Green Dragon 00:28, 13 July 2009 (MDT)

Warforged Feats[edit]

Where can I find warforged feats on this server? I'm thinking about playing an Autoplate Pilot, but I can't seem to find more than one or two warforged feats for it... ~Ed 13:31 (MST), 25 March 2009

You would have to make more yourself. --Green Dragon 00:29, 13 July 2009 (MDT)

Bot Test[edit]

I'm going to be running some simple bot tests over some stuff in my User namespace. I might need to move it out into the general namespace, it'll only be "testfeat1" and "testfeat2" though. Surgo 11:57, 26 March 2009 (MDT)

That would be fine. Let me know when you are done with them and I will delete them (if you want). Also, templated feats do not need the "div class" (or the end div at the bottom) and I think the extra line between Template:3.5e Feat and Template:Author shows up as a double break (not positive though). Also you are only putting the top tier prerequisite feat into the prerequisite parameter, or? --Green Dragon 12:36, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
The bot right now is only moving the (DnD X) stuff to (3.5e X) stuff and updating the links, so I'm not worrying about any of that. Surgo 12:48, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
Oh, okay. Sorry, I did not know what the bot was going to do and then I saw those pages and decided to give some formatting input. --Green Dragon 12:51, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
More on bots: what do we want done in the transition from DnD to 3.5e? Do we eventually want to delete Category:DnD or not? Also, I'll need admin privs so I can delete all the redirects the moves create. Surgo 14:22, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
One more thing -- does this account need special privileges, or do some special settings need to be set, in order to use api.php's move/delete functions? Because my bot is strangely failing when it tries to move stuff. Surgo 15:02, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
Editing also failed -- is this stuff turned on? I don't think the problem is with my code. Surgo 15:10, 26 March 2009 (MDT)
Admin privileges are needed for deleting pages. Moving can be done by any user. And have you tried WWW:Mechanize for your bot? I am not sure which language you are using, however I know that WWW:Mechanize will work with MW. --Green Dragon 11:08, 30 March 2009 (MDT)
All editing via api.php is currently turned off (see the page itself -- it only supports queries atm) -- it's not necessarily that it can't be done by normal users, it's that it can't be done using api.php with the current site settings. I am using Perl but not WWW::Mechanize, I'm using MediaWiki::API. That has the serious ease-of-use benefit that the api.php output (unlike the normal mediawiki output) doesn't go through any sort of html rendering, and no sort of rendering needs to be done to feed it back in. Surgo 11:11, 30 March 2009 (MDT)
Do the results show up on Recent Changes? If I remember right I was under the impression they do not show up on Recent Changes. If so then I asked Blue Dragon to disable it. If not then something is probably wrong. --Green Dragon 11:15, 30 March 2009 (MDT)
They don't show up on Recent Changes, but that's because the edits don't actually go through. Dandwiki itself returns an error when you attempt anything with "query=edit". Is it possible to turn on editing-via-API, but only for administrators? Surgo 11:18, 30 March 2009 (MDT)
Another relevant question: do we want to remove Category:DnD and replace it with Category:3.5e? I can make my bot do that as well. Next time you come around to answer these, can you show up in the tavern? We can talk more about it there. Surgo 13:59, 30 March 2009 (MDT)
Does it work now as an admin? Also, Category:DnD should be present for all D&D creations (3.5e and 4e). The 3.5e needs Category:DnD and Category:3.5e. On the flip side the 4e items need Category:DnD and Category:4e. --Green Dragon 11:53, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
No, it appears that Blue hasn't enabled it yet. I'd love to use WWW::Mechanize, but it doesn't seem to work on Windows. Surgo 12:31, 8 April 2009 (MDT)

←Reverted indentation to one colon

Ubuntu? I don't know if you have tried it earlier and not liked it - but it has matured a lot and is quite nice now. --Green Dragon 13:16, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
I know Unix-based systems and have used them for many years. The problem is that I can't use them on this specific computer because my video card BIOS is buggy. Surgo 14:32, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
You could just run it without utilizing your video card, but no matter. Do you have [2] present with your perl configuration? That could be the problem. --Green Dragon 14:41, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
I can't actually, because I don't have onboard video or any of that (and I'd like to be able to see my monitor :P). I have all the dependencies for WWW::Mechanize installed, the problem is that it hangs when it runs the cookie tests in Windows. Surgo 14:55, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
What the hell, how does windows work on your machine then? And is this comparable to your problem? --Green Dragon 15:08, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
My video card (Radeon HD4850) has a pretty notorious bug where the fan doesn't go up to its proper speed. As a result, the card starts overheating if it's left at default. There is a Windows program that lets you change the fan speed manually; ATI's drivers for Linux are supposed to have this feature as well, but it is broken. And actually, that is my exact problem. Awesome. (But I'd still like blue to enable the write api for admins if possible :P but I'll try writing a bot with WWW::Mechanize when I get some time instead). MediaWiki::Bot doesn't support the moving of pages (though it does support the deletion), I'll see if I can hack it in. Surgo 15:10, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
Well, damn, MediaWiki::Bot uses the API as well. Writing a parser for the html output of MediaWiki is going to take me ages, provided the write API stays disabled. Surgo 15:19, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
If you want support with write api you should ask Blue Dragon; maybe he'll add it in. Although do you know if the edits through write api show up on Recent Changes? I'm under the impression (I could be quite wrong) that they do not, and that's why I am fine with it being disabled. And sorry that I cannot help you with your Linux problem. -Green Dragon 15:23, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
I did ask, I just haven't seen him on since I asked (which was a bit over a week ago I think). Also, the edits will show up if you click "Show bot edits", and I think there's a way to flag them as non-bot edits. (And there's definitely a way to enable it for administrators only.) Surgo 15:25, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
User:Dmilewski/Wikibot may interest you. --Green Dragon 00:23, 13 July 2009 (MDT)


Why did you make the Races of War breadcrumb plural, as in Races of Wars? There's only one other breadcrumb that I can actually see (Tome of Fiends), and I named the breadcrumbs "Tome of Fiends" and "Races of War" because that's what the books are actually called. "Tome of Necromancy" isn't "Tome of Necromancies" and "Dungeonomicon" isn't "Dungeonomicons". Where is the plural actually used aside from Tome of Fiends? I don't see it in Arachnomicon (the only other sourcebook on the site) either. Surgo 11:43, 1 April 2009 (MDT)

Template:3.5e Creatures Breadcrumb, Template:3.5e Races Breadcrumb, Template:3.5e Quests Breadcrumb, etc etc. All breadcrumbs are plural since they work for all the creatures, races, classes, etc, and not just that page in particular (or if they are not they should be since it makes sense grammatically). --Green Dragon 11:45, 1 April 2009 (MDT)
I think there might be confusion here -- why don't you step into the tavern so it can be resolved more quickly. Are you going to make the Arachnomicon breadcrumb into "Main Page → Arachonomicons; the Book of Spiderkind" or "Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkinds" too? Because that really doesn't make any sense to me. Surgo 11:49, 1 April 2009 (MDT)
I do not think that Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind uses a breadcrumb (although it should). --Green Dragon 11:53, 1 April 2009 (MDT)


What do you make of this?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:51, 2 April 2009 (MDT)

It looks like it has a lot of information, but personally I find it a little hard to navigate (with the large transcluded entries and all). --Green Dragon 18:58, 4 April 2009 (MDT)

Forms vs. Preloaders[edit]

Which is/should be standard? I prefer preloaders, since they grant me freedom of editing, as some other experienced editors do, but I understand forms are prefered for newer users. I ask because I'd like to coalesce the Add new pages to be less bulky/confusing/mismatched. On a related note, is there any chance I could get the code from the Special:AddPage page? I'd love to make some more of those dropdowns for the other add new pages. -Valentine the Rogue 17:12, 2 April 2009 (MDT)

I responded on Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Add A New Page. --Green Dragon 18:55, 4 April 2009 (MDT)

Warrior Nun Rating[edit]

Green Dragon, the rating from the Warrior Nun class was removed. The edit note says it was changed drastically. What particular changes caused the rating pull? --Gedren56 08:26, 8 April 2009 (MDT)

Your right. I added the rating back on. I must have looked one edit to much on the diff (to the edit where you changed the spells/day). --Green Dragon 11:51, 8 April 2009 (MDT)

Artificer Feats to Reduce Costs[edit]

I arrived here after following the link from Spontaneous Artificer (DnD Optimized Character Build)

I am having a debate with my teenage son who, now that he found the errata that Exceptional Artisan, et al from the Ebberon book cannot be stacked with itself, is still trying to break the class by taking the Magical Artisan feat, applied to the Ebberon feats, to again, make item creation 100% free, this time using only 6 feats total instead of the 12 from the original link.

I have attempted to tell him that Magical Artisan must apply to a feat that actually enables the character to create items, such as Brew Potion, but he insists that Magical Artisan ONLY states that it must apply to an Item Creation Feat, which is how Exceptional Artisan is labeled.

Can you point me to any reference that prohibits the use of Magical Artisan on the Ebberon feats that likewise reduce costs? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 13:59, 8 April 2009 (MDT). Please sign your posts.

Talk:Spontaneous Artificer (DnD Optimized Character Build)#Legality. --Green Dragon 14:25, 8 April 2009 (MDT)


We wouldn't happen to have a resident bot building specialist would we? It is one thing I just have no idea how to do, and itd be nice to have some for some of the more tedious tasks - such as keeping up with double redirects and proper name spaces and such. If not or until we can get one I'll keep trying to check on the dbl redirects.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   16:36, 8 April 2009 (MDT)

You're looking for me. I can't do much until the write API is enabled though. Surgo 16:38, 8 April 2009 (MDT)
User:Dmilewski/Wikibot may interest you. --Green Dragon 00:23, 13 July 2009 (MDT)

Deleting Base Classes[edit]

What are the guidelines for deleting base classes? Is putting the Ultimate Barbarian (DnD Class) up for deletion appropriate, because of it's format? What about classes that have only sectional stubs that have been there for a while? Classes that are hopelessly weak? Etc. Surgo 18:49, 9 April 2009 (MDT)

Currently no policy stands as to when it is okay to delete a base class and when it is not okay to delete them. What are your thoughts on this: When a base class would be rated a 0/5 in one of the four areas then it is okay to nominate it for deletion. --Green Dragon 05:28, 10 April 2009 (MDT)
Discussion:Should we really be deleting all these classes?. --Green Dragon 06:28, 11 April 2009 (MDT)


I'd like to label you as an admin with the [[Template:AdminBadge]] on your user page. If you have a reason you don't think you should have the badge or you don't think the badge is a good idea, please discuss it on the badge's discussion. -Valentine the Rogue 16:06, 11 April 2009 (MDT)

I'm alright, thanks. I'm fine with just stating I am an admin on my talk page and then being part of Special:Listadmins. This is just a visual output onto the current admin system. --Green Dragon 00:15, 13 July 2009 (MDT)

Sorting Within Categories for SRD Pages[edit]

Hi, All of the pages (all the ones that I've seen, at any rate) in the SRD namespace have been placed into multiple categories without proper sorting parameters. If you look at (for example), Category:Chromatic Dragon, you will see that all of the entries are listed under 'S' (because they start with 'SRD') rather than the appropriate page name - if somebody is looking for the Green Dragon page in that category, it would make sense to look under 'G' rather than S. On that particular category page it is less of a problem, as there are only six entries, but in categories with thousands of entries (Category:Creature, for example) it can become a serious problem, and in Category:SRD, almost every single page is under the same letter.. This can be solved by adding the base page name of each page in the SRD namespace as the sorting parameter for each category it is in. This wiki supports the {{BASEPAGENAME}} magic word, so one can simply add '|{{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}' within all the category links, which would make scripting/botting the task a little easier if you are that way inclined. --Superiority 04:56, 18 April 2009 (MDT)

I can look into that. That's been on my "list of things to do that I haven't figured out yet." I find your example a bit vague. If you can give me an example of how to correct one page, I can replicate that fairly easy.--Dmilewski 10:11, 18 April 2009 (MDT)

Attention Getter[edit]

Is there any way to completly, beyond all doubt, tell people someting? Like a flashing red alert button?--Morlock Night 22:02, 22 April 2009 (MDT)

Tell people what? Template:Adult Theme seems pretty flashy; if that is what you are looking for. --Green Dragon 07:16, 1 May 2009 (MDT)

D&D Question[edit]

My DM has given me a sword made of black meteoric Iron, does only touch attacks, and is part of a three piece relic set. Do you have any Idea what this is? He will not tell me, all he says is "Star Sword". If you don't want to give the name, just give me the book it's in. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sojourner (talkcontribs) 20:16, 25 April 2009 (MDT). Please sign your posts.

Sorry, I do not know either. --Green Dragon 07:15, 1 May 2009 (MDT)
Sounds like something from Order of the Stick. Specifically, Roy's sword. See also: --Aarnott 15:21, 5 May 2009 (MDT)


The following Article is unbalanced and the author both refuses to balance it, or to accept aid from another in doing so. As such I believe it should have the "Design Disclaimer" template added to it, but as the author has so far removed the "Needs Balance" template twice, I think it would be better if you applied the Disclaimer to it yourself. This way it shows an agreement that the article is unbalanced. Please give it a look and if you agree, please add the template. Here is a link to the article: Keldren (4e Race) -- Sepsis 06:03, 2 May 2009 (MDT)

Thank you TK-Squared. --Green Dragon 12:33, 9 May 2009 (MDT)


Hey GD. I was wondering if there was a place here at D&DWiki that's like a idea page. Some users (like me) are too stupid to create there own stuff on this website but still want other people to know about it (so they can create it instead). Is there a place where we can do that? If not, then it might be a good idea to make one. -Tyraxor, 10:09, 5/2/09.

I would take a look at Category:Stub. --Green Dragon 20:05, 5 May 2009 (MDT)
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