Talk:Zweihänder (4e Equipment)

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Hello, the guy who made Grizzly Bear here.

After looking far and wide, I was appalled to not see a single Zweihänder attempt (or rather, not a single balanced one). So, I decided to make my bloody own.

Allow me to explain the properties: from what my research told me, a Zweihänder was commonly used alongside pikemen, and it's main use was to chop off the heads of enemy pikes and dismount the wielders of said pikes by clotheslining them down. Hence the Dismounting property. Now, as with the Hefty property, I took a more fantasy approach: I absolutely love the Zwei in the Souls series. It simply demanded to be in. And Reach? A Zweihänder is long enough to be considered a polearm, depending on how you use it. That, and the 5e counterpart (horribly overpowered by the way: 2d8?!) has the same property. It seemed fitting.

So, there you have it. Enjoy your Zwei, everyone.

EDIT: I would like to add a picture (immagine.png), but am quite unfamiliar with this. Doesn't work like Wikidot, so. Could someone lend me a hand?

EDIT: .. Oh dear.

I am seeing a page not found when I click that link. --Green Dragon (talk) 13:11, 13 December 2014 (MST)

Yes, on purpose. Added a space between the n and g, the image was showing as humongous on here.

E: Better?

Zweihanders are already in the game as the greatsword. The length of 6-7 feet seems to be exaggerated by about 1 foot, so a two-hander would not qualify as a reach weapon. Marasmusine (talk) 13:48, 13 December 2014 (MST)

I did not exaggerate the size, I took it straight from the Wikipedia page. Take a look. And, in fact, some sources claim a Zweihänder could exceed over 6 feet, although those were mainly for ceremonial purposes.

Also, let me justify why I made this a bit: there is no real superior Greatsword in 4e. I mean, sure, there is the Fullblade, but... It is essentially a Greataxe you have to burn a feat for. And before you ask "But what about the Bastard Sword?", well... It is a one-handed Versatile weapon. Sure, you may use it two-handed (and have the biggest damage output currently out of one-handers), and it is essentially an upgrade to the Greatsword. But you see, it is intended to be the upgrade for the LONGsword. That, and it doesn't count as a two-handed weapon. Sorry, Barbarians, better luck next time. So I felt like a Superior Greatsword was missing. And what better blade to take that title than the all-mighty Zweihänder?

6 ft. is the upper limit for the two-handers that were actually used (the 7ft one used by Pier Donia is like Guan Yu's 40 kilogram guando). Reach weapons start at 6 ft. I'm not sure about your objection to the fullblade - wouldn't you have to use a feat for your zweihander too? Marasmusine (talk) 10:58, 14 December 2014 (MST)

Indeed, but stat-wise I simply found Fullblade to be... Boring. It is a Greataxe. There simply isn't much to choose from if you want a two-handed sword, it is essentially the Greatsword you want. If you want a Fullblade, I see no reason to have it - if you must make the choice between the two, you probably already have the profiency required for a Greataxe.

But my point is: I feel there isn't much variety in the Heavy Blade group, at least stat-wise. So I thought that it needed some mixing up.

I still don't quite follow. Neither the greatsword nor the fullblade have similar stats to the greataxe. User:Marasmusine/Weapon Index (4e Index) Marasmusine (talk) 15:14, 14 December 2014 (MST)

I'm not saying the Greatsword has similar stats, but the Fullblade is not too far off: Fullblade is 1d12, High Crit and +3 profiency while Greataxe is 1d12, High Crit and +2 profiency. Quite honestly, not much change.

My intention with the Zweihänder was to provide an alternative for the Fullblade: let's face it, the Greatsword is a bit... Unimpressive. Think of it as more of a sidegrade to Fullblade. While not as destructive, the Zwei could be more versatile with its higher range, knockdown and dismounting capabilities. Although if the Reach truly does irk you so much, it could be interchangeable for a Brutal 1 or such. The weapon will have to compete with the Fullblade, after all.

Maybe adding one of my Tripping and Disarming properties would add some flavour? Marasmusine (talk) 13:34, 16 December 2014 (MST)

I have already taken a look at those. The one that may fit the weapon would be Disarming, because as said before, the Zwei was mainly used to chop off the heads of both pikes and pikemen.

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