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I would like a DND email account[edit]

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is-,

my group site is-,

my online profile is- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 10:28, 6 December 2006. Please sign your posts.

So is the "" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --Skwyd 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
Hello "" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to . I hope that it can be useful to you! — Blue Dragon (talk) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --Skwyd 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an email) members. — Blue Dragon (talk) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

# of Edits[edit]

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :) --EldritchNumen 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --Blue Dragon 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)
The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --Green Dragon 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)
:) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --EldritchNumen 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)
No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --Green Dragon 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)
Special:UserEdits for all those who are interested. --Blue Dragon 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)
Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —Sledged 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)
He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --Armond (talk/contribs) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --Armond (talk/contribs) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)


You can add my name to the donation list. --Dmilewski 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)


Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs) 22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts., you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The poladar is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see Talk:Poladar (DnD Race) for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --Green Dragon 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

Search Function[edit]

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the SRD imp. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —Sledged 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --Green Dragon 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

Request for Yet Another Extension[edit]

*Innocent Grin* —Sledged 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day :P... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --Green Dragon 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)
Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —Sledged (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)
It should now be working. --Blue Dragon 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

The da Vinci Barnstar[edit]

Vitruvian Barnstar.png The da Vinci Barnstar
Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --Green Dragon 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)

Custom Namespaces[edit]

Hello! Dmilewski and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —Sledged (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

See User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace before replying. --Green Dragon 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

Upload spreadsheet?[edit]

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about uploading a spreadsheet (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --Cúthalion 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --Blue Dragon 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)
Cool! Thanks. --Cúthalion 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)
It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
Upload file
Upload warning
".ods" is not a recommended image file format.
I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --Cúthalion 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)
Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --Blue Dragon 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)
That did it. Thanks. --Cúthalion 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

Skin Updater[edit]

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the skin updater running again. —Sledged (talk) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --Blue Dragon 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)
Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —Sledged (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)
Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at /skins.diff.txt. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over /w/skins/sledged/main.css to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --Blue Dragon 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)
Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —Sledged (talk) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)
Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —Sledged (talk) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)
Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --Blue Dragon 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST) keeps giving me a blank page. —Sledged (talk) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)
Sigh... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --Blue Dragon 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)
Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --Green Dragon 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)
Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.
And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.
Honest! —Sledged (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)
lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! :D --EldritchNumen 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)
BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --Green Dragon 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

Lost Page[edit]

Remember the problem that occurred with the Ärenn (Carallion Supplement) page? (Here was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item). —Sledged (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)


Moved to:

Spam blacklist[edit]

Do we use the spam blacklist ? --Cúthalion 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

No. --Green Dragon 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)


I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. Help. Is it called something else here? --Cúthalion 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

Added. --Blue Dragon (talk) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)
Change it to "wp:" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --Green Dragon 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)
See Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link. I've confirmed that MediaWiki and Wiktionary use w:, not wp:. Maybe wp: is something internal to Wikipedia? --Cúthalion 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)
You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before :). --Green Dragon 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)
Any time. :) --Cúthalion 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

Email problems[edit]

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from Guildwiki. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. Armond 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— Blue Dragon (talk) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

Excuse Me[edit]

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nightscreamer20 (talkcontribs) 01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — Blue Dragon (talk) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

User Edit Counter[edit]

Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — Blue Dragon (talk) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)
Hello Hooper. SpecialUserEdits Hook and SpecialUserEdits Page should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — Blue Dragon (talk) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

Poke! (AJAX MoI)[edit]

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —EldritchNumen 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —Sledged (talk) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —Sledged (talk) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --Cúthalion 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
The "Section" field should be optional. —Sledged (talk) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — Blue Dragon (talk) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —EldritchNumen 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)
Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "MoI a user about this change" again and be nicer. --Green Dragon 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)
The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —Sledged (talk) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)
However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —Sledged (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)
If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)
Pipe character ("|") since it's not allowed as a page name, and it's used as a delimiter in parser functions, template parameters, and the like. —Sledged (talk) 14:56, 8 June 2007 (MDT)
I agree, | should do. --Green Dragon 16:57, 8 June 2007 (MDT)


BD: Please add reference support as you did for WikiRPS. Thanks. --Cúthalion 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —Sledged (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --Cúthalion 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —Sledged (talk) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --Cúthalion 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
Added. — Blue Dragon (talk) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

MoI CSS[edit]

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in User:Sledged/sledged.css because I had already put it in MediaWiki:Common.css. —Sledged (talk) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — Blue Dragon (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

AJAX MoI again[edit]

As seen here, the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX is a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. Armond 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — Blue Dragon (talk) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! Armond 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

DLPC: Compensating for User Error[edit]

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the Template:PrC Description page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:

  1. The entered text has to be spelled exactly as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
  2. If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.

Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function renderDPLC, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);


$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]


[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]

What do you think? —Sledged (talk) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)
Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)
Screwed up. Slight change. —Sledged (talk) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)
Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —Sledged (talk) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)
Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — Blue Dragon (talk) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)
The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like style="text-align: left;"|PrC length. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --Green Dragon 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

D&D Wiki Media members[edit]

BD: Could you please add WikiRPS members wikirps:User:Brilland and wikirps:User:Laveaux to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –Cúthalion (talk) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

To become a sysop on media you must become one here as well. Simply start an RfA and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --Green Dragon 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)
Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — Blue Dragon (talk) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)
Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion Cúthalion, and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --Green Dragon 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)
No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –Cúthalion (talk) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)
You are one right now (See the User List). --Green Dragon 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)
Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –Cúthalion (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)
All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --Green Dragon 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

Interwiki media: link[edit]

BD: Is there an interwiki link to If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking media:. Thanks. –Cúthalion (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. dndmedia: should work now. — Blue Dragon (talk) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

User Edit Count Grammar[edit]

:) In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: " could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says " could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the hard drives were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read " could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, " could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –EldritchNumen 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--Skwyd 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — Blue Dragon (talk) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --Armond (talk/contribs) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --Armond (talk/contribs) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

Mediawiki code stuff[edit]

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at Template talk:Delete, it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My theory is that when the wiki "reads" a page with {{Delete}}, it sees the <includeonly> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --Armond (talk/contribs) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage> or <deletepage/>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — Blue Dragon (talk) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)
On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)
I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --Armond (talk/contribs) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)
I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --Armond (talk/contribs) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)
Sorry about not having worked on this for awhile, I have been rather busy. It will eventually be done, sorry for the delay. — Blue Dragon (talk) 10:57, 20 May 2007 (MDT)
Don't worry about it, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. Besides, it's not as long a wait as some other coding things I've waited for ;) I know how complex things can get when you get deep into coding. --Armond (talk/contribs) 20:18, 20 May 2007 (MDT)
Lol... I didn't quite mean it that way (I have been busy lately), but whatever. It is done now. A page may be marked with {{deletepage}} or {{deletepage|reason}}. Let me know if there are any problems. — Blue Dragon (talk) 21:26, 22 May 2007 (MDT)
Good job, but {{deletepage|reason}} is causing my sandbox to freeze up. It displays the message properly ("The delete page template has properly been added. Please purge this page to see the effects."), but now it seems to be locked in an endless cycle of trying to purge the cache. (From a layman's point of view, it would appear to be constantly refreshing the page "".) Going to Candidates for Deletion and clicking the link there also puts me into the cycle. I'm not sure if it shows up on CfD because of the reason argument or not (I put on just a plain deletepage tag at first and that worked perfectly, which might have caused it to show up on CfD, though I didn't check). Small coding bug somewhere? --Armond (talk/contribs) 11:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)
Hello Armond. The problem was that it added slashes to prevent SQL injection attacks before it replaced the template, so your don't was messing it up. The problem has been fixed, and let me know if anything else weird like that happens. Thanks! — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2007 (MDT)
This is awesome. Can you tell me how you did all of that, please? I'd like to implement something similar on PvXwiki. --Armond (talk/contribs) 10:44, 25 May 2007 (MDT)
Sure. I built a custom extension which can be found here. You need to import the templates Template:Delete and Template:Deletepage. It is more of a hack than an extension, so the following needs to be changed/added: if ($articleId == '21619') { return; } needs to be replaced with if ($articleId == 'WHATEVER ARTICLE ID THE Template:Deletepage HAS') { return; }. The following changes need to be made to the javascript of the site (common/wikibits.js):
// Hack for DeleteBlock:
function purgeThisPage(page)
        window.location.href = "http://URL OF WEBSITE/w/index.php?title=" + page + "&action=purge";
This should get it to work. Let me know how the install goes, and if you need anything else I will be more than happy to help. — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:13, 25 May 2007 (MDT)
Ok. I think I can understand most of that. (Thankfully I'm not the one who will be implementing it.) Would there be any changes if it were applied to a different template, other than changing the targets from template:delete and template:deletepage to the proper templates, changing the article id number to the proper one, and making sure all the stuff the editor would see would make sense (i.e. don't say we're going to put a delete tag on the page when we're putting something else on it)? --Armond (talk/contribs) 21:37, 11 June 2007 (MDT)
Yes, it should work well if all of those are changed. — Blue Dragon (talk) 22:57, 11 June 2007 (MDT)

Serberus, Thanks[edit]

Discussion moved to User talk:Serberus#Hello Serebus,


What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are

  • Badaxe games
  • Natural 20 press
  • Other D20 systems
  • or only WOTC? 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

"The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast" (WotC)(1). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --Green Dragon 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

Category headings[edit]

Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon) to appear on SRD:Magic Items and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on the page to look like

[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]
[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]
[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]
[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]

I think that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help. --Mobius 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes sense. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --Armond (talk/contribs) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)
Okay, I changed the Barbarian and it seems to not change anything on All Base Classes or SRD:Character Classes, and, because nothing has changed, I wonder if this works with Dynamic Page Lists (DPL's) and namespaces. I would be more than happy to let you experiment on a couple SRD pages to see if something you could do would make this work. If you would like to try do some experimenting just let me know an I will unlock a couple pages... Also, do you have any idea why it would not be working? --Green Dragon 10:11, 20 May 2007 (MDT)
Well, like I said, I do know a little wikicode but I'm not familiar with the dynamic page list code, so I don't know whether that sort of category sorting works with it. I'll look on some wikimedia help-page and find out how it works, since it seems pretty useful, and get back to you.--Mobius 08:04, 23 May 2007 (MDT)
I left a message on the talk page for this, what seems to be the relevant page of the extension's own manual wiki; there's regular movement up to today on its recentchanges, so hopefully someone will notice.--Mobius-Talk 21:09, 24 May 2007 (MDT)
It also maybe version sensitive. —Sledged (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2007 (MDT)
Got it! Just switch your DPL code from ordermethod=title to ordermethod=titlewithoutnamespace and it should work.--Mobius-Talk 08:17, 26 May 2007 (MDT)
Thank you, Mobius. I was planning on hacking that into DPL, and so I am very glad that you looked into it, and found that it already exists! Thanks! — Blue Dragon (talk) 09:27, 26 May 2007 (MDT)
That only works with DPL2 version 1.1.9. This site is running 0.7.7. —Sledged (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2007 (MDT)
Okay, okay, okay!! Happy now? Special:Version? (meant in a very humorous manner). — Blue Dragon (talk) 22:35, 26 May 2007 (MDT)
Also, if there is a real demand for titlewithoutnamespaces, then I will integrate version 1.2.0 into DPL2CU. — Blue Dragon (talk) 22:38, 26 May 2007 (MDT)
It had problems, and will not be working right now. I will try to get around to fixing this in the near future, let me know if there is a demand. — Blue Dragon (talk) 17:14, 30 May 2007 (MDT)

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WikiRPS is dead. Long live WikiRPS! –Cúthalion (talk) 06:29, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

Sorry, this was caused by the DPL upgrade. It looks like it caused a lot more problems than I expected. Sorry. — Blue Dragon (talk) 10:51, 28 May 2007 (MDT)
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