User talk:White Wolf

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Name

Unless this account can be confirmed to belong to the actual company, I believe the user should create a new name and this name be banned.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   23:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Wut, Comrade?

See photo. -- Jota 04:24, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yawn. But that isn't how we place pictures on pages here, so changed into a link.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   04:31, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Cite the policy and I'll leave it as you left it. -- Jota 05:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Green Dragon stated numerous times how images would be handled back when the media repository was originally switched into the semi-separate database it is. That may of been before your time here, as it was a while back. I'm not scouring the earth for crap just so you can hastily throw up an unfunny and stupid meme that is unrelated to the topic.

Additionally, you shouldn't outright threaten to edit war. Especially when it is over something so unrelated and useless to the conversation.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   13:22, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

This is about my rights as a user, which you threaten to impinge upon by limiting what I can and cannot post without reasonable justification. This would concern me greatly in any case, but it does especially so because you are not an admin. Were you, I might trust your judgment more. I would add that the picture in question is entirely on topic, as there's no real reason this user shouldn't be able to have this name (which the picture, you might note, implies, given the ridiculous nature of your request). Sure, it shares a name with a company, whoop de friggin' do. That doesn't mean anything in and of itself.-- Jota 18:46, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Yawn again Jota. You want the picture there? Upload it to the media repository and link it correctly. I know that, as you put it, you're only here to "...to argue, because I love a good argument...", but trolling and edit warring for no valid reasons are both types of vandalism. Do it correctly, upload and maintain. This isn't a link repository or a image gallery, it is a wiki. The request may seem ridiculous, but it is actually common to prevent CopyCat accounts from trying to imply authority (there is a reason wikipedia validates or bans members who sign up with close-to-celebrity names). Now, the user in question has a simple question and seems to of left afterwards, and White Wolf doesn't create D&D content, but imagine if someone created User:Wizards of the Coast. Some users may lend extra credit to that user's edits or assume that things they make can be considered core. A stretch, but we have to prepare for any type of eventuality.

These are things you would know if you ever had any kind of managerial experience in real life.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   18:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't know why you and the bureaucracy are so hung up on Wikipedia since this is really nothing like it beyond the software, but whatever. Furthermore, the user hasn't made an edit in 24 hours and you're going to assume he's gone (by the way, nice use of the English language there)? What kind of logic is that? Lastly, you'd have to be a genuine idiot to believe that Wizards of the Coast would post core material here, on this relatively inconsequential (in the grand scheme of things) site, when they have their own which receives infinitely (hyperbole here) more traffic in all likelihood, and has infinitely more credibility (no hyperbole here). An educated user could use heuristics and logically reach said conclusion, or they might have to sit down and think through it, either way would suffice. Furthermore, Wizards of the Coast is an entirely different example than White Wolf. What about Pfizer? Nike? Carhartt? Apple? I wouldn't protest a Wizards of the Coast example. White Wolf though? Please. -- 19:52, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Jota, Your trying-to-be-sly removing of comments of mine from my post earlier is strictly against protocol. Don't do that. There were no curse words, and it was uncalled for. If you don't like what I said, bring it up - don't just try to sneakilly remove it as part of a different edit.

Important, though: thanks for using proper wiki code for your off-topic image.

Now, back to the topic. How is White Wolf not similar? Both are gaming companies and this is a gaming site. Nike is way different. Yeah it would be a slow user who would think such, but better for us to be safe. Additionally, WotC could check up on us (they do like to make sure we don't have Non-SRD material of theirs from time to time, like many other sites). What if they saw that user name and got upset? I know some individuals don't have the higher level brain function to think the way other people do and make educated preemptive actions, but that is why I am here to help.  Hooper   talk    contribs    email   19:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Wait, the way you wouldn't let Eiji make a comment as seen here, here, and here? I was saving you from "name calling", "direct rudeness" and "belittling comments" with my edits, but if you want them to stand as they are so you can get a warning, that's fine by me. But note the hypocrisy. You prevent other people saying things they want to say, but the minute someone does the same to you its whining and moaning. Either accept my revisions of your comments, or let other people receive warnings for theirs' from someone with real authority. Lastly, I'm not sure why you're so hung up on intelligence. I'm smart. I'm not a genius, but I'm not stupid either, so deal with it and keep your side-of-the-mouth (such as "These are things you would know if you ever had any kind of managerial experience in real life" which is belittling) comments to yourself. -- Jota 20:44, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Eiji was breaking the already-established policy on solicitation and competing links that can be found in the help portal. Not a good example Jota, but nice try. Do not edit out my comments, deal with them. All I did was quote something you said yourself, so if you have a problem with it you shouldn't of said it originally.

Anyways, this conversation has ran it's course and is over for numerous reasons. We're getting off topic of the initial issue (copycat accounts and playing it safe), the small issue that followed that (media formatting), and I don't have time to help you in what you have already claimed to love (arguing on this wiki), as well as discussing issues not relevant to the person-behind-this-account on his/her talk page. If warnings are coming to either of us, Green Dragon will decide later. In the meantime, good day.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I said I love a good argument. Not that I love arguing on this wiki. Something about laws of syllogism, see the warning policy page for the rest, yeah. -- Jota 21:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

So, not to interject, but I fail to see the problem, though I guess doing a Wiki search might suffice. I've never heard of White Wolf in my life, besides as the occasional screen-name of some random person online, usually preceding a line of attached numbers and other phrases. The closest I could come to it, off-hand, was wondering if it was a kind of tobacco; A thought which was only provoked by when I read that the name was under dispute for being similar to another. That said, I don't think we should necessarily jump at the chance to change what is essentially a pairing of very common adjective and nouns. "Wizards of the Coast" stands out. We all know who that is. There's relatively few ways, in my opinion, to confuse that name with any other. Because of that, I could see the issue in a user with that kind of name. "White Wolf", however... is not very remarkable for a name. It's fairly common, I'd venture to say, for a user of any site to assume 'Wolf' as a part of their name. A fairly high percentage of users sometimes associate colors, as well, and White Wolves are also common in real life and fiction. They're elegant animals. Honestly, it feels like going all out on this would be jumping the gun way more than necessary.

Also, not to be mommy or daddy, but with the insults flying about, I'd really hope to avoid any stray bullets, here or elsewhere, me or others. ^^; Let's calm down and be cool. Jwguy 05:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, you see, where Wizards of the Coast is the most financially successful and has the most well known RPG in it's lineup, White Wolf is the company that consistently comes in second. They are the people behind the World of Darkness series (Vampire: the Masquerade being their most famous). I'm surprised you've never heard of them, but they are a company in the gaming world. Also, they like to make their fanbase cry by releasing new editions just like WotC.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   15:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

white wolf is also a brand of vodka. are we confusing this person for that too? :P--Name Violation 15:31, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

In disagreeing with my initial assessment and worries you guys are becoming increasingly distracted with your comebacks. The fact is that this is a gaming website, and 99.9 percent of users aware of White Wolf on this website will associate the name with the gaming company, not any non-gaming thing. Now, only perhaps .0001 percent of those individuals would assume that the user may be an authorized representative of the company, but it is still something to keep in mind to look out for in the future: any user who creates an account under a company name and then edits as if they have some unseen authority. This person may have just used the name, but it brings up a good point to watch for in the future.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   16:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

While I cannot speak for others, I am not distracted at all. I disagree with your worries and assessment simply because I find them less than noteworthy, and especially unnecessary for this case, of which I find is a valid reason. Sure, if there was that much of an issue, then, perhaps we'd have a problem. Fortunately, however, there is not, at this moment, and such a name is fairly common and just as easily identifiable with other entities or ideas than the company. I can just as well say that 99.9% of users unaware of White Wolf (Even if they're aware of Vampire: The Masquerade, like myself. I had no knowledge of the company behind it, name or otherwise) are not going to think of the company. Perhaps the fact that this is a gaming site makes it slightly more applicable in your provided circumstance, it's only slightly. The Author Templates are coming down, anyways, until I or someone else figures out how to vote on it, or Administration decides otherwise, and that makes it even less likely that someone is going to confuse them.

I do agree, however, that it does bring up that we should be aware of the potential problems that more extreme cases, similar to this might be. That said, we should be willing to weigh the circumstances around this name, and I find that it's much more tolerable than it's being made out to be. Jwguy 03:51, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Let's do this the other way around. If White Wolf Publishing wants an account (and be known as White Wolf) then we can proceed from that point. Maybe moving this (, Variant - kinda a joke but who knows) or something like that. --Green Dragon 01:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)