UA talk:Variant Rules
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- 1 Accessible
- 2 Extra Links
- 3 Notes to Contributers
- 4 Please simplify the page titles
- 5 ToDo
- 6 Editing Rights
- 7 Way cool
- 8 Yuck!
- 9 One Complete Chapter
- 10 Two Complete Chapters
- 11 Three Complete Chapters
- 12 Four Complete Chapters
- 13 Afterword Complete
- 14 Five Complete Chapters!
- 15 Typo
- 16 Recharge Magic
Please make this accessible... Thanks. --Green Dragon 22:58, 1 June 2007 (MDT)
I've noticed that two of the articles that I've added to this have created extra links on the DnD Rules page below the Unearthed Arcana line itself. What should I do to prevent this from happening so that I can continue to add articles but avoid cluttering up that page with extraneous links? --Rakankou 12:57, 3 June 2007 (MDT)
- I've been doing it by creating redirects for the page and adding the categories to the redirects instead of the page itself. —Sledged (talk) 13:31, 3 June 2007 (MDT)
- I noticed you transcribed the pages directly from the UA, as opposed to copying them from other sites that host a copy of the UA. Thanks. Sites that hose the UA (including this one) make minor changes to their copy for various reasons. —Sledged (talk) 14:04, 3 June 2007 (MDT)
Notes to Contributers
This copy of the UA must follow the rules of the OGL. The credits page of the UA says:
Product Identity: The following items are hereby identified as Product Identity, as defined in the Open Gaming License version 1.0a, Section 1(e), and are not Open Content: All trademarks, registered trademarks, proper names (characters, deities, artifacts, places, etc.), artwork, trade dress, and the names and game statistics for the following monsters: beholder, displacer beast, gauth, githyanki, ghitzerai, mind flayer, slaad, umber hulk, and yuan-ti.
Open Content: Except for material designated as Product Identity (see above) and the githyanki/githzerai, slaad, and yuan-ti bloodlines in Chapter 1, the contents of this Wizards of the Coast™ game product are Open Game Content, as defined in the Open Gaming License version 1.0a Section 1(d). No portion of this work other than the material designated as Open Game Content may be reproduced in any form without written permission. To learn more about the Open Gaming License and the d20 System License, please visit www.wizards.com/d20.
Player's Handbook, Monster Manual, and Unearthed Arcana are all proper names, as well as the token characters used in examples throughout the PHB. I've been using the names "Human Fighter", "Dwarven Fighter", "Elf Wizard", etc in place of the names of specific characters. I haven't yet decided what to do about the sourcebook names. I'm not sure what the limitations are for explicitly naming books when making references. Consequently, the pages may have to be renamed from Unearthed Arcana. —Sledged (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2007 (MDT)
- List of alternatives:
Product Identity Alternative D&D d20 Player’s Handbook d20 System Monster Manual d20 System Dungeon Master’s Guide d20 System Krusk Male Half-Orc Barbarian Gimble Male Gnome Bard Devis Male Half-Elf Bard Jozan Male Human Cleric Eberk Male Dwarf Cleric Vadania Female Half-Elf Druid Regdar Male Human Fighter Tordek Male Dwarf Fighter Ember Female Human Monk Alhandra Female Human Paladin Soveliss Male Elf Ranger Lidda Female Halfling Rogue Kerwyn Male Human Rogue Hennet Male Human Sorcerer Aramil Male Elf Sorcerer Mialee Female Elf Wizard Naull Female Human Wizard Nebin Male Gnome Illusionist Alarion Male Human Paladin
Please simplify the page titles
Do we really need monsters like "Unearthed Arcana (DnD OGC Transcript)/Building Characters/Spelltouched Feats" as page titles? This is a pain in the a** to link. Something like Spelltouched Feats (UA) is completely sufficient. --Mkill 10:28, 6 July 2007 (MDT)
- I used that hierarchy because it simplified the forward and backward linking. If you look at the source for "Unearthed Arcana (DnD OGC Transcript)/Races/Environmental Racial Variants" page, you'll see is uses
[[/Aquatic Races/Aquatic Dwarves]]to link to the subsections of the chapter, and the bread crumb uses
[[../../]]to link back up the chain of pages. Not to mention that the wiki automatically generates a breadcrumb at the top of the pages for you. Also, redirects can be used to avoid using monstrously long page names, like dwarf paragon. There were also some other minor issues that cleared up when using this hierarchy, as well.
- That being said, I'm not opposed to considering other hierarchical systems. —Sledged (talk) 11:07, 6 July 2007 (MDT)
- I have made a new namespace (UA:) just for UA material. This should make it more like the SRD currently is, and hopefully make it easier for one to find what they are looking for. Also, sorry Sledged :P. --Green Dragon 15:28, 16 January 2008 (MST)
- Due to 4e being release, redirects to the 3.5 SRD should use the "SRD:" prefix. Instead of using [[monk]] the following should be used: [[SRD:monk|]]. —Sledged (talk) 14:57, 16 January 2008 (MST)
- Add subtype categories to each race page. —Sledged (talk) 11:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)
- List of pages to be transcribed (may not be comprehensive):
Extension:DynamicPageList (DPL), version 2.3.0 : Warning: No results.
How should we deal with UA editing rights? Should we protect UA material from non-sysop edits after it has been added? Just non-user edits? Or should we leave it open for anyone to edit? Ideas? --Green Dragon 14:05, 18 January 2008 (MST)
- I feel that there is a problem with that, although it may not be warranted. One is that users have added much of the UA material (OptimizationFanatic, Othtim, etc) and if we lock it up we are restricting them from editing it - even though they added it. That could be taken as rude. Another thing is that people have commented on that we should open up the SRD to user edits. Maybe UA could be our test - if this works just being protected from IP edits, then maybe we could discuss the protection of the SRD. I like the idea of keeping it open to user edits, but protecting it from IP edits. Also, why can each section not be edited separately on this talk page, or am I missing something? --Green Dragon 15:08, 18 January 2008 (MST)
- I wouldn't mind having finished pages locked. If they're done, they're done. —OptimizationFanatic 17:03, 21 January 2008 (MST)
- Definitely. That should keep it fairly safe. —OptimizationFanatic 18:46, 21 January 2008 (MST)
- I guess we will see how this turns out... --Green Dragon 00:15, 23 January 2008 (MST)
I like this segment of the wiki. Way fun. Variant is the way of tomorrow, in my opinion. -- xido 00:14, 25 January 2008 (MST)
- I know, I cant wait for it to be finished. When do you think it will be? --Summerscythe 12:29, 10 February 2008 (MST)
- Looking at the OGL above, specifically the reference to "Proper Names", notice that all examples are names of fictitious parts of the D20 world. There's no actual section of it that prevents the listing of non-product-identity monsters, under the heading, "Creatures from Monster Manual, reprinted under the Open Game License." In fact, in cases of copyright, you are required to credit the creator of other work when posting it. Providing credit to Wizards of the Coast for the hard work that they did in making these books is certainly no violation of the OGL. No need to rename everything "D20 System". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) 01:15, 12 February 2008 (MST). Please sign your posts!
- I am not exactly sure what you are trying to say here. Are you saying we can post D&D books on D&D Wiki? Because we cannot, they are copyrighted. The same goes for product identity material. --Green Dragon 23:15, 13 February 2008 (MST)
- Is it all going to go up at once? Because a few things are up, or is it gonna come up as things are finished?--Summerscythe 17:11, 14 February 2008 (MST)
- Feel free to contribute by adding the information from your UA book or from other online sources! --Green Dragon 00:22, 15 February 2008 (MST)
- Hi all, I've used the wiki many times in the past, and I wanted to give something back (not to mention eliminating the need for me to carry UA with me at all times). Thus, I've started by creating a main Gestalt Characters page, as well as Building a Gestalt Character. Balancing Gestalt Characters still awaits completion. If this is not the appropriate venue for mentioning this, many apologies, but I did want to make sure there were no glaring errors, as this is my first submission, and learn what I could do to make it more streamlined next time. Thanks for providing a valuable service to the gaming community! --Reality deviant 12:22, 28 April 2008 (MDT)
Yuck! I noticed all the links in the UA main page are all blued in, ie there, but when you click on them, you get a "coming soon" thing. Lame! Now people are going to come to the UA section, click a few links, and be all "wtf, there's nothing here." and leave. I know that's totally how I feel. Before at least you could see what was there and what wasn't. Now you really don't know. My vote: bad idea. Might be too late, but oh well. --Othtim 12:23, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- Ok -- then help out transcribing it :). I'm going to start to help out soon. --Aarnott 12:45, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- We could always add a little (coming soon) after each one that has yet to be transcribed... --Green Dragon 12:51, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- I have added it. Does it look okay? Do you think that will make people understand it is a work in progress? --Green Dragon 13:23, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- Yeah! That's awesome! And aarnot, i AM. :P --Othtim 14:00, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- Hehehe ok -- gotcha. The only stuff I added I borrowed from d20srd.org (and reformatted) -- I'm not sure if that is a good idea though. A friend of mine owns the actual hardcover -- should I borrow it? Does it matter? --Aarnott 14:56, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- Each site that hosts a transcription of Unearthed Arcana makes their own little mods in order to conform to the OGL, and there's always human error in transcriptions of this scope. I'd rather the transcription come straight out the UA. But even if it's not, it can be double-checked after the fact. —Sledged (talk) 15:33, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- I dunno about other people but I'm just opening up the book and typing what I see. --Othtim 15:51, 28 January 2008 (MST)
- I'm doing a little of both. The really, really long articles I tend to copy-paste and reformat. However, many of those I transcribed are directly from the book (which is definitely worth the price). -- OptimizationFanatic 19:49, 28 January 2008 (MST)
One Complete Chapter
Races have been completely transcribed! Only needs a bit more formatting at this point, but I'll wait until all content has been transcribed before I worry about formatting. —Sledged (talk) 16:22, 17 February 2008 (MST)
Two Complete Chapters
Three Complete Chapters
Four Complete Chapters
- Nice! Thanks so much for helping with this task, and it looks great! Thanks! --Green Dragon 20:32, 3 June 2008 (MDT)
When Worlds Collide has been completely transcribed! There's a link in there to an article from Chapter five (which hasn't been finished yet), but we'll get around to doing that. —DemonSlayer 11:54, 4 June 2008 (MDT)
- You, my friend, have a lot of time on your hands. — OptimizationFanatic (talk|contrib) 19:26, 8 June 2008 (MDT)
- Heh, not really. I just have to sit behind my laptop all day long doing homework anyway, so I might as well do something constructive here while I'm at it. DemonSlayer 11:53, 9 June 2008 (MDT)
- Thanks again! --Green Dragon 21:19, 9 June 2008 (MDT)
Five Complete Chapters!
With the addition of Sanity, which took forever to do, the Campaigns section is complete. Some articles still need linking, but we can do that later on. — OptimizationFanatic (talk|contrib) 10:32, 11 June 2008 (MDT)
- Damn it, nearly had that one finished too :s. 4 hours of work down the drain... Oh well, the important thing is it's up and running. And, well, at least now we have a backup --DemonSlayer 04:34, 12 June 2008 (MDT)
Typo = tyr->try
- Got it. Thanks. DemonSlayer 05:56, 1 July 2008 (MDT)
Hey all. I'm trying to transcribe the recharge magic section of Chapter 5 which, if the index on UA:Variant Rules is up-to-date, is the last section that needs to be uploaded. However, I've run in to a minor issue with the charts used for the individual spells. Understand first off that my knowledge of wikicode is not the best in the world, but I do like to believe that I am fairly skilled at copying chunks of code that others have written and simply editing them for whatever purpose I need it for.
On to the issue at hand. The chart in Unearthed Arcana has only two columns - one for the name of the spell, and one for that spell's recharge time. This is fine in the book, because they stick three sections of the chart side-by-side, with white spaces separating them so that it's easy to read. When attempting to write this chart up on the wiki, however, I've found only one of two ways to do it. The first is to have just two columns, like the book. As seen in the example below, it looks fairly nice and it's very easy to find a specific spell, but extending this table to include every SRD spell would make the UA:Recharge Magic page ridiculously long and possibly affect load time.
|Spell Name||Recharge Time|
The other option is to extend the table to have six or more columns, and simply list multiple spells side-by-side, as in the example below.
|Spell Name||Recharge Time||Spell Name||Recharge Time||Spell Name||Recharge Time|
|Acid fog||General||Charm monster||1 hour||Detect law||General|
This would greatly decrease the overall length of the chart. However, it also makes it harder to read, and the individual columns aren't as easy to distinguish from one another. In addition to these issues with formatting, I have noticed at least one spell is missing from the chart in Unearthed Arcana - alphabetically, the very first spell should be acid arrow, but you can see it is absent from the published chart. My proposed fix to this would be to include those spells and mark them with an asterisk, denoting at the bottom of the chart that marked spells were omitted from the book and that their listed recharge times are educated guesses based on similar spells (acid arrow, for example, would probably have a general recharge time when compared to fireball or similar direct-damage spells). I suppose, then, that what I'm looking for are three answers.
1) Is the a better way to format the table that I've overlooked and, if so, what is it?
2) If there is no better way, which of those two presented above would be preferable, given that the chart will contain several hundred spells?
3) How should I handle spells that are omitted from the official book?
-- Dracomortis 14:45, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- I think having three two-collumn tables side by side would be best, but I don't know how to actually do something like that. If you can think of any possible ways, try experimenting in the Sandbox. --TheWarforgedArtificer 14:56, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- Draco, TWA has a good idea. Try using the below (as you said you're golden at copying and altering so just hit edit and check out the coding):
- The key here is the 33% percent part - you can mess with that if you want to add more columns or what not. Just another option. As far as your last question - I'd say an educated guess is good - but still leaves it as "homebrewed" (unless they've released errata concerning it) and as such probably would need to be kept entirely separate just to be safe legally speaking. 16:17, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- I also suggest adding a (cont.) to the names of the tables after the first collumn. --TheWarforgedArtificer 16:27, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- That is a good idea. If you want to run with that Draco, you can see an example here that includes "titles" for each column for each table - and you can probably figure out the coding to get it to work how you want. 16:30, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- Actually, I just modified your example, Hooper. Hope you don't mind! ;) (I'm online in the other place if you aren't at work right now, btw) --TheWarforgedArtificer 16:38, 4 September 2009 (MDT)
- @Warforged and Hooper: Thanks, that's exactly what I wanted to do with the chart, I just didn't know how. I had tried just putting multiple tables next to each other, but all that did was mess up the coding for everything besides the first table. Now I just need to count up how many spells there are so I can divide them into three roughly equal tables, and then code it all out. Should have the page done today or tomorrow.
- @xido: Yup, same person. I use the same username for every site I visit, except in the rare cases where it is already taken. -- Dracomortis 16:54, 4 September 2009 (MDT)