Talk:Sand Balls (3.5e Spell)

[edit] Like Magic Missiles?

Would it be too much to ask if this became like the sand equivalent to Magic Missile and up the dmg to d4? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Soulfire91 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 13 June 2011 (MDT). Please sign your posts!

Yes as a matter of fact. I know it sounds stupid but if you compare the two this technique actually fires more projectiles than magic missile at lower levels. The 1 less damage makes up for that along with the ability to be dodged. (which I clarified in it) Of course, it could be argued that the ability to be dodged is enough of a nerf for the damage. I'll make a more in-depth comparison below.

Level	Magic Missile	Sand Balls	Higher Damage Cap
1	1 missile - 1d4 dam	2 balls - 2d3 dam	Sand Balls - 2
2	1 missile - 1d4 dam	3 balls - 3d3 dam	Sand Balls - 5
3	2 missiles - 2d4 dam	3 balls - 3d3 dam	Sand Balls - 1
4	2 missiles - 2d4 dam	4 balls - 4d3 dam	Sand Balls - 4
5	3 missiles - 3d4 dam	4 balls - 4d3 dam	Tie
6	3 missiles - 3d4 dam	5 balls - 5d3 dam	Sand Balls - 3
7	4 missiles - 4d4 dam	5 balls - 5d3 dam	Magic Missile - 1
8	4 missiles - 4d4 dam	5 balls - 5d3 dam	Magic Missile - 1
9	5 missiles - 5d4 dam	5 balls - 5d3 dam	Magic Missile - 5

So really, magic missile caps out at more, unavoidable damage but takes slower than sand balls. Also, on average, sand balls has a higher damage cap until level 7 by (again average) 3ish. Assuming 1 ball gets dodged every cast that's 3 cap damage out of the equation making each of these a very similar spell but sand balls a riskier one for more or less damage. Though in conclusion I would state sand balls still might need a higher damage dice because of the ability to be dodged. What do you think taking this into account? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Uhnaneemoos (talk • contribs) 04:00, 27 June 2011 (MDT). Please sign your posts!

I think that because of the ability to be dodged, the extra 1 point of dmg would not cause this ability to become OP and is reasonable. --Soulfire91 15:51, 10 July 2011 (MDT)