Talk:Clericzilla (3.5e Optimized Character Build)

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The other counter would be to have Sun domain but not Pelor, and say you couldn't have Radiant Servant without it. Alternatively, ban DMM:Persist. -- MorkaisChosen 10:16, 31 March 2008 (MDT)

Mmm, all that really does is force the player into another cheesy class, like Divine Disciple from the Players' Guide to Faerun... or just continue as a straight Cleric, which is already unbelievably powerful on its own. Heck, even removing Sun domain isn't an effective counter - a Law/War Cleric is every bit as frightening. Also, why ban specific versions of a specific feat? Better to ban the feat entirely. Heck, you may as well ban the whole book it's from, and then you're sorta treading into unpleasant territory where the players can't do as much as they'd like with their characters. No, the only real way to counter a Clericzilla is to upgrade to 4e... which is the nearest thing to a punchline as a scary build like this can have. -- Cronocke 12:32, 31 March 2008 (MDT)
Banning Divine Metamagic, in ANY RIGHT, is not a bad way to go. Ever. Banning it does not entail banning the book it's from (Complete Divine, I think), mainly because it is ungodly broken. PUN INTENDED. -- TK-Squared 12:34, 31 March 2008 (MDT)
Be fair, the book is pretty damn broken itself, with some of the PrCs and other feats. But again, even then you're not really preventing an obscenely powerful Cleric, just this specific build. I can make another build that uses only SRD content. It won't have a PrC, but it won't need one, just more specific control over spells. -- Cronocke 12:42, 31 March 2008 (MDT)
True story, level 20 cleric, divine metamagic persist. Congratulations you are stupid powerful. --Cerin616, Drew (talk) 05:46, 17 October 2012 (MDT)


Perhaps make this into part of a guide for Clerzillas? --Ghostwheel 03:13, 14 July 2009 (MDT)

Persistent spell...[edit]

You need to have extend spell to take this feat. What does it mean? Not taking reach spell at 6th lvl, or simply take flaw.

If you take the planning domain. you receive the Extend feat for free at 1st level; although Pelor doesn't offer this domain.

Reach Spell[edit]

Should make note that Reach spell to extend a touch and then pesist spell to enhance that touch is a touchy at best subject. Most DMs will not allow this obvious abuse of the system. Its nearly as bad as the "Use nightsticks as turning batteries and fuel your divine metamagic"--Cerin616, Drew (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

Invalid Build[edit]

Radiant Servant of Pelor requires that one "Must have Pelor as patron deity. (Adapt as desired for sun god of the setting.)"

In order to take the planning domain, you must worship no particular god or worship a god associated with the Domain: Planning Domain (SC 278)

 Core Deities: None.
 Forgotten Realms Deities: Gond, Helm, Ilneval, Red Knight, Siamorphe, Ubtao.
 Other Deities: Bralm.

You may change the feat selections to correct this, but planning Domain is not allowed at 1st level with your build and it's debatable whether or not it's legal by RAW to take Persistent Spell the same level one gets the Planning Domain.

The only real exceptions to this is either 1. a house-rule or 2. a specially-made sun god added to the setting you're playing that is associated with that Domain. However, you couldn't play this according to RAW.

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