Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Other

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Starting Money[edit]

PleasePleasePlease put Starting Money down for all classes, it is up for about 2 classes now. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs)19:57, 25 March 2007 (MST). Please sign your posts.

Hopefully that is what Template:Description Needed will do. Also, I am very sorry starting money it is not on more classes yet. --Green Dragon 22:30, 25 March 2007 (MDT)
Hopefully with the preload, people will remember to include starting gold and starting age when they create their base classes. Most users base their class layouts on the the SRD/PHB classes, and because that information isn't in the class descriptions, authors forget to include it. —Sledged (talk) 15:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
That is also one of those details left out of the SRD.--Dmilewski 14:07, 31 March 2007 (MDT)
*just forgot to include that* Can we get some guidelines and such so we can decide how much to give them? Armond 14:32, 10 April 2007 (MDT)
It will be added to DnD Class Preload once DnD Class Preload is changed to reflect the layout standards being made via the Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout). --Green Dragon 17:54, 10 April 2007 (MDT)

Too long[edit]

There's way too much text on this page. Can it be broken into smaller pages? --Cúthalion 20:10, 2 April 2007 (MDT)

I meant this discussion page, although the same comment could apply to the main page. --Cúthalion 20:47, 2 April 2007 (MDT)
Fixed by David Latapie and [User:Green Dragon|]] (especially the latter).
David Latapie ( | @) — blog 19:13, 9 April 2007 (MDT)


I'm not sure I understand the purpose of [[Ex#Extraordinary|Ex]] I prefer just [[Ex]].Ex

Oh, I see. The redirect doesn't go to the anchor. I keep hoping we'll get a version that supports that soon. (Blue Dragon?) --Cúthalion 21:45, 2 April 2007 (MDT)

Latest MediaWiki version do, as evidenced by Wikipedia.
David Latapie ( | @) — blog 11:51, 11 April 2007 (MDT)
MoI him — then he should respond :). --Green Dragon 14:40, 5 April 2007 (MDT)
If I'm not mistaken, redirecting to an anchor is already supported on WikiRPS. For instance, go to Contents and select Challenge rating (under Mechanics/Ability checks). --Cúthalion 17:54, 9 April 2007 (MDT)
That would be such a time- (keystroke-?)saver. —Sledged (talk) 11:39, 11 April 2007 (MDT)
I've MoI him. —Sledged (talk) 12:04, 20 April 2007 (MDT)
Hello. I am not sure what you want me to do. If you could clarify this, then I would be glad to help! — Blue Dragon (talk) 15:55, 20 April 2007 (MDT)
We're trying to make it so an anchor in a redirect works. (Actually, we're trying to have you make it that way. ;) According to the documentation, this functionality should be available in recent versions of MediaWiki. It was my impression that it worked on WikiRPS, as of April 9. If that is correct, then we're asking you to install the same version of MediaWiki on D&D Wiki that's used on WikiRPS. If I'm incorrect, then we're asking you to look into whether it's possible.
You don't have a day job, do you? ;)
However, I've noticed recently that it no longer seems to be working on WikiRPS. In particular, the example I gave above no longer works. Was it since April 9 that you made that change to the whatsit on the server thingie to speed up downloading? I can't think what else would have changed. --Cúthalion 21:45, 20 April 2007 (MDT)
I think I found the culprit. There's a bit of javascript at the beginning of each sectional redirect (or rather the resulting page of the redirect); redirectToFragment("#Extraordinary");. The problem is the function is not defined. Over at Wikimedia Meta-Wiki the function is defined in the file wikibits.js. I looked in this site's wikibits.js and it's not there. I think it might have inadvertently been removed when the code for the MoIs was added. —Sledged (talk) 10:53, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
The current MediaWiki version (1.9.3) does not support it. When 1.10 comes out of alpha, then it will be added to this site. I was considering updating to 1.10.alpha1, but GD suggested that it would cause to many problems and would not be worth trying to isolate and fix them all. This will be working once the 1.10 is released. Sorry for all of the confusion. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:47, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
According to this, sectional redirects are supported by 1.9.3. The file skins/common/wikibits.js in the 1.9.3 distribution tarball, has the function in question, but it's not in wikibits.js file for the D&D Wiki. Also, as Cúthalion pointed out, that the sectional redirects were working earlier this month on WikiRPS—I can confirm that they were working as of April 11th—and it's running the same version of MediaWiki. —Sledged (talk) 14:40, 23 April 2007 (MDT)
There was a time when you couldn't do that? Armond 11:33, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
This problem should now be fixed. The skin files were still from 1.8.x, and those replaced the modern ones on WikiRPS. I am sorry for this problem, and hopefully it should be working properly now. — Blue Dragon (talk) 18:10, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
No apology necessary. Thank you for looking into it. However, it still doesn't seem to be working, as shown by the following two links, both of which should redirect to an anchor:
Cúthalion (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
They're both working for me. Check you error console and see if it says the function is not defined. —Sledged (talk) 20:48, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

Curiouser and curiouser. No need to follow up unless you want to.

  • I don't know anything about the error console, but I did figure out how to display it. I get two errors:
Error: redirectToFragment is not defined
Source File:
Line: 52
Warning: Unknown property 'filter'. Declaration dropped.
Source File:
Line: 372
  • Once I hit refresh a few times in various windows, it started working. By strange coincidence, the first error message also went away. Thanks, both. –Cúthalion (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
Don't worry about the 'filter' error. It's a CSS property that isn't supported by mozilla-based browsers. It's for IE browsers. Likewise the 'opacity' property used to generate the same effect for mozilla-based browsers isn't supported by IE. —Sledged (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2007 (MDT)
Gotcha. Thanks for the info. –Cúthalion (talk) 07:46, 25 April 2007 (MDT)


If I were Green Dragon I would give a major barnstar to whoever could convert the preload into a form-style input page, where you input the BAB, saves, etc. and it loads the basics for you. Armond 23:15, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

I already asked Blue Dragon (he said it was too much work... :( ). I will ask him again even though such a page would not be in the wiki-style... Also, btw, anyone can give Barnstars to anyone else, they are not just supposed to be given by me (even though that is how it has turned out so far—which is a tad annoying). --Green Dragon 18:30, 17 April 2007 (MDT)
If there is a real demand, I would be happy to work on it. — Blue Dragon (talk) 15:57, 20 April 2007 (MDT)
It would be nice, but if it's not possible, then it's not possible and that's that. Besides, there are times when I like going toe-to-toe with code :) Armond 13:40, 25 April 2007 (MDT)
This has been discussed a bit elsewhere. See also User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 5#I think you are going to love this.21. --Green Dragon 16:55, 30 April 2007 (MDT)


Way back when, a whole year ago, I converted the SRD and posted it. I made all the decisions. As the year has gone by, folks have stepped in to help. When my baby came along, I stepped back from all the discussions. (I had more important things on my mind.) Now I look into the discussions, and wow, what a read. It makes me proud to know that there are so many folks dedicated to making the SRD, and the whole wiki, that much better.

Thanks for the good work. --Dmilewski 11:33, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

You're welcome! Feels good to take part in something like this. —Sledged (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2007 (MDT)

Roasting Three Birds with One Flamethrower[edit]

Looking ahead, this format can be applied to the NPC and racial paragon classes (henceforth referred to as RP classes) for the most part.

With the NPC classes, I would strongly encourage authors to include sample NPCs and encounters, even more so than with the base classes. NPC classes are designed with the intent of being exclusively used by DMs, so having a pre-made NPC is even more important than it is for other classes.

With RP classes, my only suggestion is to center the base attack bonuses. Since the classes are only three levels, one's not going to see multiple bonuses due to a high BAB in the table. —Sledged (talk) 14:08, 4 June 2007 (MDT)

Also, no epic sections either. WotC has stated NPC classes do not progress beyond 20th level (characters with levels in NPC classes must be multiclass characters in order to be epic), and again RP classes are only three levels long. —Sledged (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2007 (MDT)

NPC Example Level?[edit]

Discussion moved to Example NPCs#NPC Example Level?
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