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== Userpage Gallery Clean Up ==<br />
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Noticed you hadn't gotten around to organizing the gallery on your user page. I will probably arrange them for you soon if you don't find the time. As a professional artist myself, a clean gallery is a must. Oh, and your talk page is super long and has a million MOI's on it. Time to clean your room GD. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:50, 15 September 2009 (MDT)(The OCD guy.)<br />
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:Ya, I know. I always clean my userpage with time (see all the archives). Also, I find that the current layout of the pictures has a nice artistic touch; I find the placement to not only invoke thought and wonder but also stretch the images. Although, to be honest, they are slowly getting old on my userpage and I may remove them soon. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 16 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Sounds good. You da' boss. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:04, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It's my userpage... You are in charge of your userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Recent Tavern Changes ==<br />
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Hey, what happened to the tavern? It simply is not working, and the search doesn't seem to be working the same either. Changes? {{Unsigned|Dumai|17:52, 17 September 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:I need to get a bit more RAM to be able to get the Tavern back up and running with the servers. Most likely I will spend some of the google ads money on buying some more RAM. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::What kind of funds need to be raised? Perhaps a fundraiser like years ago? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:54, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I was planning on using some google ads money for RAM but if people think that a little fundraiser should be organized as well I am more then willing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I'm sure every bit could help. $5 and $10 here and there can't hurt at least. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:59, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Maybe we could have a vote and see if more users like the tavern or not. Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::It could be a good idea. I like the ''idea'' of a wiki chat, but in practice it was nothing more than a distraction from the actual wiki. Voting would be good, especially if removing the tavern could assist in site performance. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:29, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::It is my solemn opinion that the Tavern Chat system should be repaired and remain. My love for it is unconditional, despite the fact that it tends to be immature in many ways and attract the least virtuous of viewers it was a place I could always count on to give me some source of entertainment or conversation, however minimal. One of the greatest delights I had when I used to frequent this site, as I am beginning to do again presently, was popping onto the Tavern in the middle of looking through articles and thinking about what would be useful in a future campaign. I would always find a witty conversationalist or a helpful tinkerer out and about amidst all of the chaos, and it helped to know I was not alone. The Tavern, in my opinion, is a reinforcement of the comradeship of this Wiki, and can be utilized to go there for quick instant messaging communication instead of relatively sluggish editing of each others pages. My piece has been said for now, and my vote is for keeping the Tavern. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 15:22, 25 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Taking the above, and giving it thought, The Tavern can be a great tool. Especially if the former abrasive temperaments are no longer present, it can be a really great way to bring in new wiki users. Combing through the old logs shows that many potential users were ran off because of the attitude within it. But as Harry shows above, even with that it did great things. Perhaps we should place this discussion on "hold" until the tavern is ready to come back online, and then hold it in a better place so all can discuss ways to make the tavern better and more manageable? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:30, 25 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Bullocks. The crowd that used the tavern (with a few notable exceptions) constantly strayed off-topic, and it came out as bunch of sentence fragments that tried to be witty and failed miserably. Especially TK's "Your mama" jokes, for instance.... I go on there looking for feedback on my work, and everybody would rather take cheap shots than actually offer constructive advice. Although I hate to say it, but for all his snide attitude, Surgo did point me toward Frank Trollman's material... --[[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 02:56, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well do you guys think it helped more or hurt more? All we need to do is vote... It is all opinion; nothing to discuss. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:27, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It has been discontinued. See also [[Discussion:The Tavern: use, expansion, and availability.]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Recent Activity Lessening? ==<br />
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Do we even have anybody left who still posts here? Besides us three, that is... --[[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 10:59, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Yes, the site has been just as active lately as ever, only the 'tavern crowd' is gone. The site is improving on a daily basis and will continue to do so. In the last 30 days alone there have been over 42 active users (plus plenty of IP edits), so yes, yes we are very active considering. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:05, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Thank God. I hated having to go in there to ask for feedback and getting sarcastic commentary. Maybe it's funny to the younger users, but to an old-timer like myself it seemed pretty juvenile and pointless. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 13:09, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Same here. I put up with it for years but recently started treating them the same way they treat others and they literally can not handle it. They freak out. Really pathetic actually. I hope this helps others learn how to be properly collaborative in the future. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:44, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Media's Mediawiki ==<br />
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In going through the media side of the site, I've noticed many users have basically used it as a personal storage unit. It is filled with images that are not used in any articles whatsoever (though unlike wikipedia our images don't always say what pages link to them, odd...). I was wondering if a purging of the mediawiki would help improve the server performance? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:52, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I concur. Many of the images I uploaded, (as awesome as the are), are no longer linked to an article. It certainly sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Possible Ban Circumvention ==<br />
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I think [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has already paid enough and his ban is over in two day, amybe we could unblock him so he can actually tell his version of the facts? I don't want to do it myself in case you disagreed, it why I ask. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I strongly disagree with this. Firstly, there is no side of any story, as it was just a personal subpage note. Secondly, he showed his lack of respect to honor the ban when he broke policy and posted using his IP. If anything, his ban should be prolonged for that reason alone. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:47, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Your both mistaken. With Check User [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has not been posting. Or which IP do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:53, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::He admitted to it on Surgo's page on the other wiki as well as on another user's page there. I would link, but don't want to spam, as I feel as though that may be. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258703 OBJECTION!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258715 DURR...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258720 PWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258730 UHOH...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258734 2xPWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258738 WTFPWNED!] --[[User:208.90.100.111|208.90.100.111]] 11:41, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::All I would need is the IP... It's called "Chck User" (please use google at this moment if you are not positive as to what I am talking about). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Green Dragon and I ==<br />
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This may seem redundant to you ''(GD)'' and I, but I thought it would be good to note that we are not the same individual, do not always agree (nor even agree a lot of the times), nor do we even know each other offline. Before the rumors get started, even though some already have. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't know you... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Removing Template:Author ==<br />
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Would you please refrain from removing author templates from (my) articles? Whether or not they've priorly been marked for deletion, they should remain associated with their respective principal authors, as per article 4B of [[D&D Wiki:Copyrights|D&D Wiki:Copyrights]]. Thank you. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:01, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:History as well... As explained over and over again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:17, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::And I am asking you over and over again to refrain from removing the author templates. Being the person identified in the history of these particular pages as the first editor makes this request more than reasonable. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 08:04, 20 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It seems you decided to respond to my aforementioned reasonable request by making [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Ghast%2C_Deathless_%283.5e_Creature%29&oldid=415512 this] and several other similar edits to my pages, in which you removed yet more author boxes and more references to my personal user category from my pages. What, are you just going to ignore me and merrily continue this scandalous behaviour instead without the courtesy of a direct response? I don't remotely care how much 'cleaner' you think the history is, I will not stand for seeing my work vandalized. ''Not even by site admins! Am I finally getting through to you?''<br />
:::If you want to erase all evidence of my existence from this wiki for what happened back in August, then fine. Delete all my stuff. ''All of it.'' And I'll be happy to stay gone. If you're unwilling to do that, then don't touch it. I expected such sensible and gentlemanly conduct to go without saying, but apparently the word ethics does not mean a thing to you. This is the last time I will ask you this in a civil manner. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 12:57, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Usercontributions. Like how one looks at my contributions to some articles. History. This is to see who has done what to which article. One more non-logical response and I will issue a ban to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::"''Usercontributions. Like how one looks at my contributions to some articles. History. This is to see who has done what to which article.''"<br />
:::::... What are these sentence fragments even supposed to mean? The only responses I see that are incoherent and devoid of any logic are yours. Are you just being deliberately vague so you'd have a solid excuse to ban me when I respond? That's not to say that I ''ever'' saw ''anyone'' getting ''anything'' close to a ban for 'non-logic' back when I signed onto this wiki in May 2007. I never saw anyone getting their author box deleted from their articles back then either. Even omitting the fact that the author boxes disappear from my articles, what possible justification could you have for deleting my ''personal user-based category'' (<nowiki>[[Category:User Sulacu]]</nowiki>) from the article pages as well? That's like taking pages out of my user page's dpl lists. Isn't that like undermining the system of my pages on your wiki, as well as a form of 'orphaning pages' or whatever it is called (hence, 'vandalism', if you're too logic-deficient to see where I'm going)?<br />
:::::Seriously, I've had more than enough of your stupid antics, and your pigheaded falling back upon your new favorite word, 'non-logic', which you seem to invoke primarily when people say something you don't like. As a faithful and dedicated contributor to your wiki for over two whole years, and the creator of over three hundred standing pages of homebrew articles currently displayed on the site, please honor my final request to leave those pages be, and stop being such a freaking bludger. A little admission on your side will make this whole affair a lot less smelly, and both our lives a lot easier. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:27, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Banned. One needs to be understand civility and understand who is who on D&D Wiki. Stop just pestering people and making problems where none exist. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Out of curiosity, why was Sulacu banned? She was obviously upset that her name was being removed from the things that she had created, so it's not like she did anything wrong. I mean, I know I've not been here a long time, but Sulacu seems to have posted a high amount of quality homebrew, so shouldn't she be entitled to have her name on what she's made? I guess it may just be thinking aloud though. But really, consider if someone should be banned for voicing objections to losing the right to the things they made. I think a good example is if say someone took the Dandwiki from you Green, and removed every trace of you from it. Wouldn't you be upset and slightly protest against it? Obviously I'm not saying that that should happen, but I feel that it is a good example. Please reconsider this flurry of author removals, people merely just want to keep their name on what they've devoted time and effort into. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 16:11, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Although I won't comment on the ban, as far as comparing having a wiki that GD pays to maintain and content that a user freely posts online, it isn't really a good example. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:03, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::For the last time or your getting banned too; it's history and usercontributions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::What? Is this really what it's come to? I've never talked to you before and you are threatening to ban me for attempting to give my opinion and suggestions on something? Isn't this supposed to be a community-run site? I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused as to why it's suddenly everyone being banned for speaking. You didn't even answer my question, so obviously you are ignoring the average user, which isn't the path that any admin should take. If you feel like being a dictator and banning everyone, go ahead. Go ahead and ban every last person that brought quality work to this wiki. Go ahead and ban until there's no one left except for your butt-buddy troll Hooper and yourself. I'm through here. It used to be a nice place to come to and the community was friendly, and the few times you stopped in the tavern, it was nice to talk to you. What happened to you? Whatever. It doesn't matter. This wiki is going downhill in quality, I just think you are blind to it right now, but you'll realize it here soon. Hooper, I know you are probably reading this too. Stop instigating things over at the Wikia. If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. I know I personally just want this whole thing to end and for the separation to be finished quickly and painlessly. With that note, I fully expect to be banned by the dictatorship that this wiki has turned into. Just remember, the First Amendment is in place to protect the unpopular opinion, and you are crushing it beneath your heel by banning everyone who isn't Hooper. Just remember that you ruined your wiki by driving off those that kept it running smoothly. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 20:12, 28 September 2009.<br />
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:::::::::<code>"''... butt-buddy troll Hooper ...''", and "''What happened to you?''" (direct rudeness: name-calling, ill-considered accusations of impropriety) (1:1).''</code> --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:17, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::I have never said anything to anyone from wikia in my life. You don't know me &mdash; don't say that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::He said that Hooper was instigating things at wikia.. Geez, if this is the way the administration of this site is I'm not going to put my homebrew on here, I'm going to make sure the people I know don't ruin their work by having it stolen by this wiki.<br />
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:As I haven't even visited the other in seemingly forever, and you guys are here still causing problems - well, you get the picture. Are you done calling people who don't know each other "butt buddys" while also calling them the trolls ''(??? - Irony?)'' so that we can get back to work? You state ''"If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone."'' yet here you are, when no one is messing with you. Either contribute or stop starting problems. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:34, 29 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't have any take on Sulacu or any other user on this site, really. I only came in and started editing recently, after all, myself. I have been thinking on this for a while, though. Why ''exactly'' is author information being taken off of pages? Watch and History are reasonably insufficient in accrediting the idea of a creature or idea to authors, even if not so terribly important. Since it's homebrew, anyways, I am sure it's not so bad to afford someone that little bit of pride in seeing their name in the author template of their articles. Also, which articles are subject to this? So far, I've only ever seen creatures having their templates removed, which I don't quite understand. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 01:42, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::I never said anyone was doing anything on Wikia. I could care less about Wikia &mdash; people going to a different site is not a war in my mind. D&D Wiki (about now) averages 8,000 unique visitors a day &mdash; I don't care about you. A war is a war in my mind. Think about logically &mdash; why in hells name would I care? As long as you guys do not transfer any content from D&D Wiki to Wikia (all the content here is under the GNU FDL v1.2 - putting it under the CC is a violation of the law and liable to be sued) or doing anything related (please see the GNU FDL - I, as the owner of D&D Wiki have the rights, additionally I, as the owner, can invoke aspects of the GNU FDL v1.2 as I wish too).<br />
::::And why is the author template being removed? It hinders reading, and hinders a wiki-structure (editing for improvement not just saying "mine mine mine", etc.) Most people, before editing, do check history and before use many do too (seeing something from an IP is less likely as something, say, which comes from an established user). It just hurts the wiki - removing it helps the overall structure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:19, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::::I personally feel as though the author template adds a bit of authenticity to articles of homebrew. Sure, while in some cases, items simply are corrupted or bettered by the many anonymous edits that are to be expected on the internet, but in other cases, it's a nice gesture of pride to find an idea or page that you're proud of, and have your name sitting at the top. All as well, while I may not agree, It's not important, and I suppose I can understand that as a sufficient reason. Thank you for answering. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:50, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::::(Haha, Jwguy is editing in above me.) Hopefully the author box will be completely removed from all articles and preloads. This is a Wiki. No article submitted to the site is considered static and unchanging. Should you wish to keep your pet projects to yourself, do not submit them here. Under every edit box are the words "''If you don't want your writing to edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" You have been warned and forewarned. Author boxes are a privilege, not a right. Again, hopefully they will be universally removed. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:54, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Okay, I agree that's it a kind of a gesture of pride to see ones username on a page... But it's also a wiki. However another reason for the removed I see is that it creates editing problems. For example sometimes when I am playing I print something out, correct it, however do not change it since I do not want to have to talk to that author about it. If I was not the owner (rather a standard user or IP) I imagine I would feel more inclined and accepted to change it freely. I feel it creates more freedom for the perfection of content. However I see both sides. Currently I removed them from 4e deities, 4e races, and the preload for 4e creatures (and a few their). Personally I would like to wait a matter of months and see how those sections respond. Already I have seen positive improvements from the 4e deities section by IP's - which is a good sign - however it is still to early to say. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, it was my understanding from most of the wikis that I've been that the colon indentation is used to identify who is replying to whom, as well as keep track of subject. I read your post, Jay, but simply had nothing to say about it, so I went ahead and continued to reply towards Green Dragon's last post, which is the reason for the way I posted. I had assumed this was normal.<br />
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::::::::That said, I don't mind, either way. I appreciate you taking the time to appease my curiousity on this matter, however, Green dragon. As said, I like the idea of the authenticity and author templates, but they don't matter so much as to fight over them, to me. If it comes down to it, I'll go around taking them down, myself; I just wanted to get the reasoning for it before I conjectured any of my own, which you've provided, certainly. I can realize what problems you see for it, and they are well based and reasonable for it's exclusion, so really it's just my opinion that differs. Functionality is more important when it comes to this kind of site, I believe, and pride, while a encouraging thing as well, is subservient to that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:49, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::@ Jwguy. No problem bro. I figured you had a good reason anyway. Thanks for being so vocal about your opinions. Your not the only one who feels the way you do. Keep up the good work. Peace! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:33, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Why Did You Delete the Bloodline I Posted? ==<br />
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I'd like to know why you deleted the optional Bloodline (Brachyurus) I developed and posted.<br />
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The only comment I see, and its only a single line in the deletion log, is "This is not OGL".<br />
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I would appreciate ''some'' explanation. At the very least, the minimum courtesy of informing me. To top it off, you ''also'' deleted the Discussion topic I started in which I asked for any feedback.<br />
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If you don't want new people posting anything, just say so. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 21:29, 21 September 2009 (MDT).<br />
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:It is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]], right? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::It is also, according to your [[SRD:Brachyurus|website]], in the SRD? And the Bloodline was entirely my own construction; I am not aware of anything similar that has been published. None of which explains why you would delete the Discussion where I ask for feedback - a perfect place, I would think, to have this discussion. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:58, 21 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::That's ones not from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]... That's SRD (probably MM or who knows). If the bloodlines was your ''own'' creation ''DO NOT'' put "this is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]" on the bottom of the page. Also [[DnD Discussion|Discussions]] are for ''questions'' (not like a forum...). If you want something reviewed, like always, post it on the damn talk page. Not their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 22 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::You are saying that you really thought I copied the bloodline from the Epic Level Handbook? Have you seen the UA style Bloodlines ''anywhere'' but in UA? And does that mean you did not even bother reading what I had written on the Talk page before you deleted it all?<br />
::::Anyway, are you saying you would be fine with me posting the Brachyurus Bloodline I designed if I make it clear that I was the one who put it together?<br />
::::re: Discussions, ok, I hadn't realized it was not a forum. Still, I would have appreciated ''some'' information ''somewhere'' about why you deleted my work. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 16:48, 22 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This is what I saw:<br />
:::::<nowiki> ==== Brachyurus ====</nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> </nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> <!-- description of the bloodline and its origins. tell what sort of creatures this bloodline can be derived from and how it might have occurred (descension of celestials to live with mortals, etc.) -->[[SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus]] is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook. </nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> {| class="{{d20}}" style="text-align: left;"</nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> |+ {{#anc:Brachyurus Bloodline Traits}}</nowiki><br />
:::::(from a deleted revisions preview). Or is that part just superficial? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:02, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Should I assume you noticed the "SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus" portion of what you quoted? --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:11, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::That's called a piped link... Not sure if you have ever heard of formatting or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:33, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::It seems clear that you are taking the issues behind this discussion much less seriously than I am. Therefore I will stop wasting my time with you. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:52, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::That is a PIPED link. Without the piped link it looks like: "Brachyurus is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook."... let's see... can that be here? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:23, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== When do Unrated homebrew prestige classes become Rated? ==<br />
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My Void Knight prestige class now has 2 ratings (3 if my own counts), and I was just wondering how/when exactly the unrated classes were relisted as rated. Edit: Forgot to sign [[User:Desril|Desril]] 15:09, 30 September 2009 (MDT) <br />
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:Really it is just a matter of doing the switch. You can alter that yourself. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:46, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Once all the ratings have been added one can. Although one cannot just create rating; [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should have said that one can correct the ratings from the talk page onto the articles page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:41, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Yes, after reading my post I should clarify that once rated you can add that information to the class page with the proper rating it was given shown. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:14, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Also, if you want to help rate things, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Spheres in relation to the Tome of Fiends ==<br />
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The sphere pages connected to the Tome of Fiends, namely the Bone, Venom, Carnage and Bubbles, I believe, that you have already reverted, are ''not'', to my knowledge thus far, User items, and are in the sourcebook. Adding the User Category, on that level, is not necessary, nor correct, and it also interferes with the function on the page for the [[Tome_of_Fiends_(3.5e_Sourcebook)/Spheres_and_Feats#Fiendish_Spheres|Spheres]] listing, which has been separated so that User-made Spheres and Official Spheres from the Sourcebook can be better recognized.<br />
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If you feel that you are undeniably correct in maintaining that the Spheres you are moving are User made and that perhaps I have been mistaken, please state so and proceed, but if not, and I believe they are not, they should be as they were before the reverting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 23:17, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Tome Material is not official material from established publisers or OGL - it is just homebrew Frank & K stuff. Thus, it is User content. It is hard to define something as "official" when it is all entirely user homebrew - even if that user homebrew is well established. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:13, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Well could we use that Tome article as the rule source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
::This is, admittedly, true, given the nature of the Tome of Fiends, itself. Even in that case, however, the Tome of Fiends has no user category, and as a sourcebook, I use 'official' to simply designate those spheres which were created along with the sourcebook. I feel it would be best to separate the Homebrew'd spheres, in respect to the Tome, from those included by the authors, if only to maintain that the standard provided by the author shouldn't be confused with the likely standards of added-in spheres. <br />
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::That all said and done, I could simply use another category, which I don't have much of a problem with; I'm rather delightfully partial to the Tome of Fiends, myself, and the Spheres even more. I just want to get it looking nice and neat, and without as much clutter and fully distinguishing their authors. So, that said, what is going to be used for the categories? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:10, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== WikiRPS ==<br />
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I saw you had did some alterations to the navigation. I was wondering if a link to the WikiRPS site would help get some more activity over there? Or if you're even still interested in that. Just curious as to the goals/future of that project. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:36, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:They have their own wiki since a while now; [http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiRPS] (although using the same things, etc). I don't understand what your question is (see also [[DnD Variant Rules]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:18, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Yes, I know they do. I guess my question is: "Do you think it would be beneficial to include a link to that wiki on our navigation here, perhaps near where we link to the media repository?" &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:48, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::We do. It's linked to from [[DnD Variant Rules]]; as discussed and implemented since a long time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:50, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Incorrect Adoptionations ==<br />
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Y HALO THAR. Recently I adopted a dozen or so pages because I have some future plans with them, and the original owner, Sulacu, is gone and all. I noticed you reversed those adoptions. Is something the matter, we're permitted to adopt unnamed and user-less articles are we not? Even more so if we actually have permission from the original owner? If you could redo those adoptions for me, that sure would be swell, it makes it easier to find when I don't have to comb through the history and just look up "User Eiji". Domo arigato desu desu desu-chan, ie! -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:00, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Eiji, your recent discussions in the chat your splinter group is using showcases those adoptions as bad faith adoptions. However, even with that fact, I can't speak for GD's decision. I believe a previous editor said "just stay away and leave us alone" and that has been our wiki's attitude. I humbly request you follow suit. Thanks. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:02, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Hi Hooper-desu! ''':D''' Well, it's very good faith actually, but the lower caste aren't supposed to talk to the upper caste. Wink wink, joke joke, nudge nudge. Anyway, I'm actually still active here (out of necessity, but that's a discussion for another time), so I can't leave.<br />
::Anyway, awaitin' the Green Drag-man. I'll just leave this 'ere. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:11, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::As your most recent quote on the subject was the following: ''"the reason I'd adopt them is to keep GD's dirty mitts off them"'' as stated in your IRC channel, I'd say that clearly constitutes a bad faith adoption. Alas, however, GD shall tell us both how it went down, so I agree with your thoughts on waiting for him. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:14, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Where'd I say that? That's silly Hooper. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::If GD requests it he will be shown proof of that and other things you've said of recent regarding the adoption. Ever since that chat channel decided to bring up the idea of using pirate software against this site I've daily logged on and pulled that day's chats from it. Thankfully, nothing as vile as the pirate attack threats has been discussed since. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Of course not. You know, internet... it's full of people who talk for the hell of it, and talk is cheap. Why just yesterday I was claiming to be wearing a dress, when I was really wearing TWO dresses. :D But Hooper, we've gotten totally off the subject, so, for Green Dragon's sake I'm reseting the indent and reposting my point (I hope he doesn't mind). {{Unsigned|Eiji|20:23, 1 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::Just placing my 2 cents Hooper but is it entirely ethical/legal to record and store chats without notifying those being recorded? Just wondering if perhaps playing secret agent in the chat room is the best use of your time which should be invested in this wiki, not in the wikia. Back on topic: if an article is up for adoption, what makes one user more or less worthy of adoption than another? One who has made as many contributions as Eiji is certainly able to competently handle an article, unless you are saying you trust a complete stranger to claim ownership of the article over an established contributor to this wiki. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 21:34, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::You did it wrong... And D&D Wiki is fine; no malicious software should be able to do much of anything. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:49, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Ah, I'm doing it wrong? Well then, how may I do it right so I can get them re-adopted? -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:51, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Just don't. Just edit the damn things; it makes much much more sense (your name is added, what you did is shown, and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you, one can look with ''my watchlist'' the pages as they change, etc etc. [[Template:Author]] is just more of a hassle then much else (history; when created; does not change). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Explain that second part to me again? I'm trying to get the pages to appear on my User: Eiji page so I don't have to search through recent changes (also, I'd like credit for adopting them too, but I haven't bothered yet to look/copy paste the ownership box/dunno how to go about that). Anyway, the link repository is what I'm currently doing with my pages right, having them appear in my User: Eiji page automatically instead of linking them one by one. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:58, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::{{quote|...and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you...<br />
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:::::::::::::Sorry, might be a little slow but... uh, I don't get it. Can you rephrase it in a different way, as right now it seems like you're saying we can't put things on our User page we didn't originally make and just adopted. Or... something, I'm not really sure. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:08, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Right; for example I have nothing (theoretically) to do with the images on my userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Oooh. Aww, that makes me sad... that means we aren't allowed to adopt anymore (at least, not in the normal sense of "I now own this", we can only edit... but then, so can everyone's else so it's a moot point). Well, there's nothing I can do. ''':(''' They were nice articles too.<br />
::Oh well. /thread and all. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Ya, but I find that usercontributions are much better then [[Template:Author]] and I find that when using history everything is much more fair then under the [[Template:Author]] system (each edit is that edit; not under someone elses' name). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Posting under an IP because I don't want Hooper to think that I am an active user of this wiki (GD, he is seriously retarded and I would avoid giving him adminship at any point unless you want this place crashing down even worse -- I can easily back up this claim with evidence, just look at 90% of his contribs on talk pages). Anyways... To clarify, are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article? --[[User:208.90.101.99|208.90.101.99]] 06:23, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Personal attacks should be refrained from, and they make any point you think you have become lost in your antics "anonymous". This isn't a forum for insanity or attacks or opinions, take that to salin. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:15, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I apologize -- that comment was out of line and pretty immature. I'm still a little sore over what happened and when I do visit this wiki (in this case I was responding to a private email about an optimized build I wrote a while back), I do the stupid thing of looking at the recent changes and get bothered by what is going on. This was my "home" for a long time after all. I can take a conversation up privately with you if you want to discuss why I think many of your actions are bad for the wiki, but needless to say, I sincerely hope that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] does not make you an admin until your behavior changes. I say that out of my old dedication to this wiki, not my new found bitterness. But, as I said, this is something for a private conversation and doesn't belong here on GD's talk page.<br />
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:::::::Thank you. I'm not seeking adminship, nor do I personally feel I need to be anything close to an admin, so I doubt such a conversation is necessary.&nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:57, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::To restate my questions to GD: "Are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article?" --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:53, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::They do seem to hinder articles at time; however that is a long process. I say we should work on things which are a little more handalable at the moment. Maybe with in the year or two; who knows. Or what are your opinions and thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:43, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Euhm.... ==<br />
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Well, something very strange is happening here... I'd say adopting things to keep them safe is in good faith, and it is my perhaps not very humble opinion that playing secret agent in a chatroom is quite unethical. Additionally, I think it's unethical to remove an author's name from the front of the page, since that's where the focus is, no matter where else information on the original author can be found. Furthermore, I agree with some arguments brought in against Green Dragon, seeing as he acts in a seemingly random manner, getting angry and threatening with bans for little reason.<br />
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I tried (much earlier) to reason with both parties, and GD didn't even answer. Not ever.<br />
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I'm taking my creations. I created them, so they are my property, and I do not care which laws you quote. According to some test and multiple real-life experiences, I turn out to be CG, and I cannot abide a regime like this. I shan't use guerilla tactics or whatever to negative effect for this wiki, because it is rather pointless; it will be dead by itself without my interference soon enough. To summarize, I take possession of my work, and I will not comply with any attempts to restore them.<br />
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Further reasons for abandoning this wiki include a disturbing lack of interest in discussion pages; no one has shown an interest in several things I pointed out in several different discussion pages, and rather few of my own things where commented upon (seeing as I mean to implement those things I find interesting or design myself, I'd like a little more discussion about things like balance and powerlevel). Another point is the apparent failure of internal consistency in at least some creatures of the animal type and a tendency not to do anything about it.<br />
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I bid you adieu. I expect my pages to remain gone when I have removed them, and I expect there will not be a problem with that. I have no need for either wiki laws or dictatorial outlashings (they should be mutually exclusive, but reality proves to be otherwise, ey?), and I shall not abide either. [[User:Deranged|Deranged]] 16:18, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Imitating behavior/harassment. Banned. Content is content, usercontributions are usercontributions, and history is history. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:43, 3 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== WTF ==<br />
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Why is the tavern not working, still?! It's been nearly three months? {{Unsigned|Zetsumeimaru|17:52, 3 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:I know... One the servers got changed around a bit and as such the tavern is not configured right; another is that, as a discussion, we are not positive if we want a chat room. It seems to be there are differing opinions about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:40, 3 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Elaboration ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Omniarcanist of Caladon (3.5e Prestige Class)#Epic]] <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:18, 13 October 2009 (MDT)</small>.''<br />
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== Just looking... ==<br />
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I was just looking through some history and can I ask what MW is in reference to here:<br />
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"I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted. Please learn something about MW before posting here (it's comparable to '''clicking''' the links above and '''looking''' at them). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:52, 10 September 2009 (MDT)"<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:15, 15 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:MW is always MediaWiki. Where was this response? If you source it or supply a link I can better let you know what I meant. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:06, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::It is on [[Requests for Adminship/Surgo2|Surgo's nomination]] for adminship. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:44, 22 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Surgo was not following the deletion policy. I had to restore pages he/she wrongly deleted. For this to make more sense to you maybe [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=Surgo&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 This (&limit=500)] is a better associated link (the blue links are restored - the red are deleted). If you see any other problems please let me know (where he/she deleted good content). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:49, 25 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::With the current deletion policy (That on [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]) he did not break any rules. It states: "In most cases 14 days after a page is nominated for deletion it will be deleted." Hence, there was no reason for those not to be deleted. Either that or you use the argument that it also says: "When nominating an incomplete page for deletion please make sure that it is not being actively improved upon." Which implies that it must be an incomplete page, though on a wiki nothing is ever complete so that cannot be an argument against it. I would like to know how you think that Surgo wasn't following the deletion policy and then we can amend it to make it clearer. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::The pages had zero reason to be deleted. Were nominated for deletion a day before and were deleted right after. That's breaking the rules. Watch out; or you'll get banned. I've explained this 100000 times. I'm done explaining it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:47, 25 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Actually, you had never explained that on Surgo's nomination page (and I haven't seen it anywhere else). They were nominated for deletion at least two weeks before: Aug 13 2009 nomination and 4 September 2009 deletion for many of them. There reason for deletion was that the author did not want them on the wiki, in the past that has been accepted though after recent events it was decided un-officially that it would not be, this was not put on the deletion page. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 23:08, 25 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Oh, your right about the times. That's probably why I did not say that on the nomination. It's because it is good content - one should never delete good content. "''I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 25 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I still think we need to clarify the deletion policy. Though my thoughts on the articles on this wiki are that they should be owned by the contributers and can be deleted by them if they wish. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::That's not how they are. They are under the GNU FDL "''If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" for example. If one reads the the GNU FDL 1.2 then you will see more as to what I am talking about. And the deletion time frame is a little variable - the important part is that no playable, good, etc content gets deleted. That's the main idea. If you read the "Adminship" message it explains deletion a bit from an admin side and the category explains deletion from a wiki-side. Please keep in mind that was just Surgo's 2nd adminship - not the reason for (h)im/er being banned. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Edit Summary Question ==<br />
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You just told me what barnstars are, and I thank you, though I had guessed their purpose, 'twas a kind gesture. But I was wondering why you edited it with the summary "Discussions get archived not removed....". Would you care to elaborate on your reasoning, or was it not pertaining to me? --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 13:14, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Basically, don't just delete something from your page, archive it. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:09, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Yes, you may not have noticed, but if you look at the actual [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SgtLion&diff=420227&oldid=420152 diff] in question, he re-added the welcome message you had previously removed. That was what he was actually talking about in the summary. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:16, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I replied and used the edit summary to explain my edit. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Ah, right, that was a mistake on my part. Thank you, everyone. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 23:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Talosoi ==<br />
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A few days ago, I created the talosoi, a race of apelike people who live in dense jungles and ride giant wasps around. I decided to put it here, to share it with everyone else. But, since I didn't know anything about wiki formatting then, I put all of the separate types of talosoi as its own creature. Before I could realize my mistake, I put 6 new creatures on here, each of them a different talosoi (eg Talosoi Archer, Talosoi Shaman, Talosoi Chieftan, etc.). I wanted to know if there was anyway I could move all of those creatures to a single page. If was not, I would want to know if I could delete these pages and start again with the same creatures, but just under a different name (instead of talosoi, then it would be toldosoi or something like that). Thanks! {{Unsigned|Breo sabre|20:50, 21 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:If you merge them all onto one page (save the ones you cannot - the mounts; wasps, etc.) and add [[Template:Delete]] to the now merged ones it should cover your problem. Although one ''can'' "merge" all the pages together with their respective revision histories it's a long process and complicated; it's easier this way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Modern Material ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved from [[User talk:Tabris#D20/4e Issues]]'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)</small><br />
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Please do not move my weapon contributions (namely flashbang, phosphorus grenade and smoke bomb.) as they were not made for d20 modern but instead as homebrew weapons for the dnd 4e game which I DM for.<br />
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If there is a way to set my creations to private please let me know as I do not want my contributions to be edited at all. I like them as they are but I do not know how to change the editing options to locked/protected. {{Unsigned|Tabris|01:23, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:Please read the warning when you are editing on the site. It reads as follows: ''"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:36, 27 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Thats not helpful at all Hooper, I'm aware of this however my equipment is posted under 4e equipment for a reason: It's 4e equipment {{Unsigned|Tabris|15:27, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::I believe that the reasons some of the pages have been misappropriated is that they were not all originally coded the way fourth edition material should of been, giving the appearance of D&D or D20 equipment. Admins are busy so it is easy to see how that may have been the issue. Anyways, please note that the identifier on the pages should read "(4e Equipment)" not "(4E Equipment)" and in the future I wouldn't edit war with an admin, just make a nice and simple explanation and ask why they think something is not what it is ''(i.e. in this case just ask what is giving GD the impression it is D20 equipment and then fix that before doing all this reverting)''. Just usually not a good idea to remove admin edits. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:28, 27 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Please sign your posts using four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Please see your talk page for more info. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:29, 27 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::You can move them to a subuserpage of your userpage area; at most (keeping them 4e) and changing the templates around so they do not show up anywhere. Simply flashbang grenades, phosphorus grenades and smoke bombs do not fit into 4e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Editing, Overdeity ==<br />
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Hey, I got a question about the deities. When making them, I'm confused about how to write the "What type of god is it" part. If you look Saran up, you see on the page, there is that error, I need help on that. Thanks! {{Unsigned|CelticHippie|20:17, 28 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:That should help. See the diff in question to see the edit change. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 28 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Canidates for Deletion ==<br />
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Hey GD. I was looking through some of the articles in the Deletion Catagory. There are more than a few that have been unedited and abandoned for many months. I say this because I have about 15 articles I made myself that need to be deleted. How often does this site clear out those pages? Thanks. (Wow, I just noticed their are 3 pages worth of stuff waiting to be deleted. Almost 500 articles.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:31, 29 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:It's getting worked on... Just keep adding them. A matter of weeks ago it was more then double the current amount (six or more pages) - so it's slowly getting cleared. Everything has to get by-hand looked at (since "What links here", talk pages, links, etc can be strange) so it's just a work in progress. They will get deleted though if need be (or authorship stripped). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 29 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Sounds good. Thanks for the update. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:19, 31 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Arcane Archer ==<br />
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I rated the Arcane Archer class, but the number of ratings nor the overall ratings didnt change, why is this? --[[User:Zackrb|Zackrb]]<br />
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:You posted your rating on the talk page. But, that is only half of rating. You must edit the article itself to reflect your rating. Their are placeholders for ratings when editing the article itself. Updating these causes a overall rating to appear on the article when viewed. (Please remember to sign your posts.) --[[User:129.123.245.182|129.123.245.182]] 03:04, 2 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Thanks for helping me fix my format ==<br />
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--[[User:Frodo Goofball|Frodo Goofball]] 06:30, 9 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== NEW ==<br />
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Her im kinda new here and a was gonna set up a page for my friends to use my Digimon and Pokemon races and classes i know that might sound stupid but hey to each his own, any way you put up my renamon page for deletion and a wasen't done with it yet i'm not sure wether it was because of that or the fact that it's a digimon, if you don't want digimon and stuff on there a will not put it on there :) just let me know.<br />
(p.s.) i did'nt understand the way you set stuff up till now so i understand if the page was just in the way {{Unsigned|Corycodered|01:00, 12 November 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:Well what is it? A creature? It's not formatted like anything... If you follow a preload (go to a certain section and click the "add" button - that text) and update the current thing to fit that the delete template will be removed. If you don't want to do that of course you can move it to a subuserpage of yours (e.g. User:Corycodered/Renamon) then no formatting is needed. But one of those is needed for the delete template to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:17, 12 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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I'd like my user page deleted, if possible. Thanks<br />
[[User:Palantini|Palantini]] 16:51, 14 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== WikiRPS ==<br />
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Hello. I joined this wiki from the WikiRPS, and I've been trying to find out who is running that wiki. While I could and probably will eventually get active here, right now I'm more driven towards working on a more broad system, adapting historical, current, and sci-fi culture, weapons, and technology to an open RPS, not necessarily D&D. Thanks. --[[User:Madkcat|Madkcat]] 00:47, 18 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Pretty sure [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] is, although [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] may be as well (I am not sure), or DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:53, 18 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::As far as I have been able to find, [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] hasn't been active since December '07, [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] June '09 and DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]) since June '08 on WikiRPS. <br />
::I have some ideas of what to do, and how I'd like to do it, but I don't want to start messing with the Wiki until I can talk with someone who was/is active in WikiRPS to make sure I'm not stepping on toes, or causing problems by jumping in running.<br />
::--[[User:Madkcat|madkcat]] 01:18, 18 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::I'm not in charge on WikiRPS. This wiki, where I did the initial setup, I know what's going on. There I do not &mdash; I have maybe only gone there a matter of times. you would have to ask one of them what's going on. Sorry about that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 18 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Language Style ==<br />
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As a born British English man, I'm somewhat accustomed to the British language. But I only could assume that this D&D Wiki is American, so in my language fixing, I didn't change anything like "armor" to "Armour" or vica versa, because I was unaware of what to do about it. So now I ask you, do I correct spellings to American or British English? Or something else, if that's how you roll.--[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 11:01, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:It's American English. I recommend taking a look at [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:51, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::Guessed as much. And thanks, I'll take a look at that. Your response and help is appreciated. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 00:02, 23 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 23 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Vacation ==<br />
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I am taking a short five day long vacation or so down to New Mexico. I will have limited computer access however if everyone could keep an eye out for malicious edits, vandalism, etc it would be much appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:23, 25 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== could u help? ==<br />
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Hi i was trying to find out if a slam attack is like an unarmed strike for the perpose of feats? <br />
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If u could e-mail me what u think that would be great<br />
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wolffboy66@yahoo.ca<br />
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== Hey ==<br />
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Im the one that sent the recent 7 dollar through paypal, can you keep me updated when you guys run donation drives so i can donate what i can. Also if you dont mind can you look over some the contributions that i made since i signed up to see if you feel they are constructive. Mainly i feel in love with aura guardian but want some feedback before i keep at it.<br />
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Thanks!<br />
Starcry/novabladex<br />
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I like the anime shadow skill and was wondering if you ever thought about making a class based on the sevaars, specifically on gau and elle. I liked your tenken class and the frost knight one, so I was just throwing the idea out there.<br />
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== A different sort of game ==<br />
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I have a roleplaying game known as World Tree which uses skill advancement instead of class advancement. A character in the game is given a number of skill points at creation with no restrictions as to where they may go. I was thinking of doing a variant of this and even eliminating such things as abilities (there would instead be a lift and carry skill, for instance). I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss such a different system but I was hoping to work with others on it. Can you make any suggestions? My e-mail is brenner.mike at gmail.com<br />
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Thank you for your time, -Michael Brenner. {{Unsigned|204.210.188.32|10:23, 12 December 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:Well a few options exist. How different is it from D&D? One option is to make a "radical" variant rule out of it; keeping the structure on D&D Wiki in general. Another option is to make a self-contained wiki (like WikiRPS); hosting could be discussed if that is the desired option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:01, 12 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Aura Guardian ==<br />
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Hey Green, I was wondering if you would mind looking over the Aura guardian and see if anything so far could be abused? Also let me know what direction I should focus in, Defense of adding some offensive choices. Ive considered a VERY restrictive spell list, like maybe only the healing domain up to 4 and protection up to 4. Not sure. Also I could use some help with the flavor for anyone else reading this! Thank you in advance. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:30, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:03, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Brawler, fair fight ==<br />
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heya, i've been using this web site for ages and it's awesome, a player notified me of the Brawler class.<br />
At 7th level i think, he gets a special ability called fair fight, i was just looking at it and thought it was... well a little overpowered/little... silly (sorry if that offends btw.)<br />
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The feat basicly entails that people make a save or drop there weapons because it would be unfair otherwise... this gives a huge advantage to the brawler, as well as seeming silly as people who want him dead wouldn't think that they should kill him fairly (mostly) and those who would can normally be persuaded/ goaded into it. The skill might be relevant if the brawler had any actual arcane/divine powers but other then that he does not.<br />
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Anyway, asides from that it is an awesome class, a monk without the code of laws and from what I've seen of it a very balanced class except that.<br />
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Constructive criticisms ahoy! (Btw, i let my player have a feat rather then the ability)<br />
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== Talk page is really long/Review too ==<br />
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Your talk page is really long. Might be time to archive. Hehe. Peace. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:50, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:GD, can you do me a big favor when you get a chance. I read your review of the Aura Guardian 3.5e Class. It was a flawless review. I was hoping you could give the Freerunner 3.5e Class a similar review. Currently the class is rated 20/20 and could really benefit from your perspective in particular. Thanks a million. (Just if you get a free moment.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:09, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Leader of the Hunt ==<br />
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Really good article. Could also be the deity Cernunnos the Horned God, Leader of the Hunt.<br />
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== My article ==<br />
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how do i know when its ready to be used?<br />
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Just noticed the new Media Wiki version! Awesome! just having some issues, not sure if they are new or what but there is no more autoconfirmation group. so whenever I edit a page it is asking for a key code. Is this intentional? - 06:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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== MSRD cleanup ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon: I think [[user:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] is the "official" go-to guy for the MSRD, but I think he's (semi)retired, so here I am. I use the MSRD all the time, and think it could benefit from some changes, namely wikilinks to other MSRD articles, especially the skills and feats. I wouldn't mind working on this project, but obviously all of the pages are locked. Where do you think I should go to start/discuss this project? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Is there anyone left who's in control of the d20 Modern side of things anymore? I posted [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=MSRD_Talk:Treat_Injury_%28Skill%29&oldid=455659 this] almost a week ago, but I don't think anyone noticed. There are some things that need cleaned up, and I would love to help out but 95% of it is locked. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to turn [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451096 this] into [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451102 this]. Or at a minimum, clear out all the typos. If there's anything I can do to help, or if there's someone else I should talk to, let me know. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well that would need to be discussed before changing with someone who knows D20 Modern better. Or if you would not mind explaining it a bit more (since both the links you supplied are from a subpage of your username - or do you mean just adding links to the article?). Do you see what I mean?<br />
::And, if you want to go through and add a few things throughout the MSRD and clean things up I would be more then willing to give you temporary admin rights for you to work a bit on that. Let me know please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 06:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::First of all, thanks for fixing those other links.<br />
:::Second, sorry about the confusion. I'm not trying to change wording or anything, just clean up some typos and make the pages more navigable. That page in my subspace is just a random page from the MSRD that I copy/pasted there to give you an example of what I want to do. If you look at the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AJazzman831%2Fworkspace&diff=451102&oldid=451096 diffs], you can see that the only thing I did was add wikilinks. (I had to do it in my userspace because I couldn't actually edit the article in question). As it is now, none of the pages have interwiki links, so if you are reading, for example, a class description and it references a feat, you have to go back up to the main MSRD page then navigate to the feat page then find your feat. I would just like to make the feat a link so all you'd have to do is just click it.<br />
:::If you're comfortable giving me temporary admin rights then I'm more than willing to help out. It might take a while, though, since there are a lot of pages![[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 13:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pooka Race ==<br />
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Sir, the rituals available for Wild Soul have always been listed there: <br />
"You can use any of the following rituals as if they were at-will powers, with no component requirements and without a ritual book: Animal Friendship, Animal Messenger, Commune with Nature, or Speak with Nature."<br />
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==Access==<br />
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Hi there, for some reason my username doesn't want to co-operate with me. I try putting in my password and I get a message saying that it's invalid. I try to get a new one sent and nothing ever shows up in my inbox. I want to get on here and post some more stuff and because of this, I can't. Can you help me out? -- Mythos Specialist<br />
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:Actually, never mind. I didn't have anthing fully finished anyway, so I made a new account. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh don't. As long as your email is correct it is not a problem. I just have to wait a few days to do it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I already posted a full core class to the new profile. But, if you can get my old account running, it'd make it a lot easier to do the transfer. Besides, I like the new name... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 13:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sorry if I am spamming you, I am trying to see what is stopping my submission from showing up. ==<br />
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Thanks for the help in advance.<br />
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BTW the submission is (Thrillseeker) base class submission.<br />
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:It's called a cache. It takes time. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Been away for a while ==<br />
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Hi GD,<br />
Ive been gone for a while - one of those who left during the 'great admin dispute'<br />
I have come back tho, and was just curious what happened to the tavern?<br />
Thx - --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 10:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You'll find that after the 'great admin dispute,' as you call it, [[User_talk:Green_Dragon#What_Happened_to_the_Tavern.3F.21|the general consensus among those who were active before said incident seemed to be that the Tavern was superfluous and unproductive]], although I believe cost-engineering may be playing some part in its continued absence (inferred from the section above). -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:: first of all - thats what it was 'a huge dispute amongst the admins' that seemed to threaten the well being of the wiki (why i left) - but bygones be bygones<br />
:: personally i think that the tavern was a good thing - it allowed for more person to person feedback on content --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 16:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I wasn't disagreeing with your phrasing (though I have my own thoughts on said incident and subsequent changes), I was just using the same terminology to affirm that we were referring to the same event(s). -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::See also [[Discussion:The Tavern: use, expansion, and availability.]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeatedly adding a stat to ac. ==<br />
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One of my friends in my D&D group has been planning to add wisdom at least 3 times to his ac by taking various classes that allow wisdom to be added to ac. Is doing something like this allowed?<br />
BTW, the campaign we are doing is a gestalt, if that makes a difference.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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NO. It doesn't stack. Period. -- Mythos<br />
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Thanks much.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Also there is an argument going on in my group about bloodline levels. Some of my group is saying that bloodline levels raise class abilities such as sneak attack and other things that are simply made more powerful at regular intervals. The regular interval thing is the key to their argument since they say that means it is calculated by class level. I don't believe them. But do bloodline levels do what they say?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Hello I am with the above user. Do you have anywhere in any book where it specifically says that Mythos? <br />
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Thanks for the reply. <br />
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--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Mythos here...<br />
I'm pretty sure in the SRD (I don't have time to look it up) when it comes to modifiers, that you can only apply ability score modifiers once, like for instance bonuses to AC from a high DEX or WIS score. I think untyped bonuses do stack, however. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, as for gestalt (which I categorically despise), even under that, you can only, for instance, use one class' hit die at a time, in this case the higher. Ability modifiers work in much the same way. As for bloodlines, features such as spell save DCs, maximum skill ranks, caster level, those things are calculated using bloodline levels. Sneak Attack and such are only raised by actually having levels in said classes. Sorry to burst their power-gaming bubble. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the quick reply Mythos, only 1 of the classes actually have a type for the AC bonus thus the stat can be added 3 times. Also thanks for the reply regarding bloodlines! <br />
--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 06:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hold up. Which classes allow this to stack? Ability modifiers, as I've said, do not stack. By "untyped bonus" I mean bonuses granted by the class, or certain other factors, not including ability bonuses. This is done so as not to totally unbalance the game with class dips. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Many of the classes the player has allows you to add wisdom to AC. One of them is a deflection bonus, the other are just wisdom bonus to AC without any type. So what does this mean for the player? Can he add his wisdom once, or once as a deflection bonus and another as a regular bonus? --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 16:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would think once as untyped and once as deflection, but which class is it that adds it as a deflection?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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I'm pretty sure you can add your ability modifier only ONCE. It doesn't matter what the type is. As for adding ability modifiers from different ability scores, I know you can, 'cos the Duelist does it. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 17:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:While your interpretation is logical from a balance perspective, I'm pretty sure the reigning methodology is that while other types do not, untyped bonuses stack. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I agree that untyped bonuses stack, but not with themselves. eg adding wisdom twice to ac as an untyped modifier.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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That's what I'm trying to explain here. Otherwise with a few clever prestige class dips, or worse, misusing gestalt rules, whilst doing same, you have a build that becomes utterly broken. Any bonus derived from ability score bonuses can only be applied once, right? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Logically yes, but I can't seem to find a rule that states this. --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 22:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It's out there, but I don't know where. I know I saw it, and it clearly said stacking the bonus for the same ability score doesn't happen. Here's a thought, though. In lieu of finding the rule, why not err on the side of common sense and not allow the bonus to stack? I mean, it works that way with magic spells that have the same effect as each other, so I'd be willing to bet ability modifiers don't stack either. It's just more logical. Otherwise, as I've said before, you can end up with something that completely wrecks the system. Also, has this player considered taking these 3 classes for the assumed triple-stacked Wisdom modifier as being incredibly munchkined? Because this kind of approach to a build is almost always about "Oooh, pluses!!" more than "Oooh, compelling character.." -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 03:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My new class ==<br />
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For anybody that pays attention to new material going up, I present to you the [[Battlemage (3.5e Class)|Battlemage]]. Enjoy. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirror mephit ==<br />
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Hello I have a question about : [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)]<br />
'''Alternate first level trick'''<br />
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Aristocrat 1 (race independent) Feat 1: Magical training (player's guide to faerun) Feat 2: Precocious Apprentice: Summon Mirror Mephit (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) Starting gold goes into purchasing a single vial of liquid pain.<br />
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Rounds 1->a Attempt to cast Summon Mirror Mephit until you can make the check. Optimization could allow this to autosucceed the first round, but it isn't needed Round b: toss your mirror mephit a vial of liquid pain, and have him use it with his spell-like Simulacrum ability As per the monster manual (which supercedes the SRD), a spell-like ability defaults to a standard action. With the vial, we have CL 9, sufficient to duplicate a 18 HD advanced efreeti (simulacrum is allowed to duplicate specific creatures). Divide the level by two, and we have a 9HD copy. Which is just as many hit dice as a normal efreet. Order the mirror mephit to order the efreeti to obey you completely before he vanishes.<br />
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You now have three free wishes. Start from step 4 of the above streategy.<br />
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The mirror mephit has 8th level for the caster level for simulacrum.<br />
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Did the liquid pain use as optional material component to improve the caster level by + 2 ?<br />
But simulacrum is a spell like ability, not a spell. Or use an other rule ? If yes, what page from book of evil darkness, please ?<br />
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The normal efreet has 10 HD, not 9. So, the caster level required is 10th level, no ?<br />
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Why do you choose aristocrast as class ? For the skills ? The starting money to buy liquid pain ?<br />
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Thanks for your future anwser.<br />
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:Once again, I fail to see the point in all this. Someone's misusing the rules for sure. Why not just be Pun-pun? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh wait, this IS Pun-pun. Listen, feedback loops are not supposed to work. Maybe as a glitch in video games, but in D&D, no. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Necromancer editing and advancement ==<br />
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Mr. Green Dragon:<br />
<br />
Thank you for taking a look at my "necromancer" 4e base class. I developed it in conjunction with a colleague with whom I am playing a long-form campaign. <br />
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I seek your advice in improving the necromancer with two primary goals: I wish to, over time, produce a class whose quality ranks it among the best 4e homebrew classes on the site; and I want to make sure that the necromancer conforms ''in extremis'' to the D&D Wiki formatting standards. <br />
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As it stands now, I do not possess the proper knowledge to achieve those goals. So, to solve a few formatting problems immediately, I wish to clarify:<br />
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*Which powers listed on the necromancer main page need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Which necromancer powers listed elsewhere need to be moved to another page? Which other page?<br />
*Which creatures are listed on the necromancer main page that need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Given that worship of a specific deity confers a class feature power or bonus upon the necromancer character, why does the list of deities and their related class feature benefit need to be moved up to the "Overview: Religion" section?<br />
*Given that you can see clearly which information is currently in tables which use HTML instead of the wikimedia editing format ("Phantom level/damage", "Phantom potential actions", "deity/benefit"; I assume that the "level/maximum Phantoms" table is satisfactory already), how can I change those tables into wikimedia format within those power and creature templates? The reason I used an unorthodox "HTML splice" technique to insert those tables is because I could not use the wikimedia format to add the tables within the templates (as it was apparently beyond my coding abilities).<br />
*How can I cause the "Contents" list to show separate sections within the Necromancer Class Features section? I believe that that section has become long enough to merit separate sections within the Contents. <br />
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I think that with your help and the assistance of the other users we should be able to clear up these formatting issues relatively quickly. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 21:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, I have discovered an issue with the "Add or edit" radio button under "Add New 4e Power". When you replace "MyPower" in the text box with the name of your new power (for example, "Frigid Cyclone") and click the radio button, you are not directed to a text form to write the wikitext of the power. Instead, you are directed to a page that says "Add Form:4e Power: Frigid Cyclone (4e Power)" (again, "Frigid Cyclone" is the example power to be created) with a preexisting power box already below it, called "Blast of the Ancestors" (a "'vorgal' racial power"). If a user truly wants to create a new power, they must first click the "Show preview" radio button, which redirects to the appropriate text field. <br />
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What is the method by which we can alter the form so that it works properly? The origin of the "Blast of the Ancestors" power is the [[Vorgal (4e Race)]] page, where a link to the "Blast of the Ancestors" racial power is found under '''Racial Traits'''. (If you click on ''that'' link, which oddly says "1", you come to a page called "Form:Form:4e Power" which ''again'' shows the "Blast of the Ancestors" power box.) I don't know what happened, and until I get your input I don't want to touch it because I don't know the proper method for fixing the system (blank the form? Delete the form and recreate?). I ''suspect'' that the creator of the "vorgal" race somehow accidentally altered the very power creation form itself, instead of creating a new power. <br />
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I'm going to use the workaround for now. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 02:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== New Class ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I'm creating a new class for my D&d campaign and thought you might want to add it to your site and perhaps help me refine it as well. I call it the Summoner Class. Apparently, you already deleted an entry for it because it wasn't done too well. I can assure you, I put a lot of work into it so far, and will continue to do so till perfected. <br />
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Anyway, this normally wouldn't concern you except that I'm not too good at HTML code and was hoping that you could help make the page for me? I can email you the Word File that I've been working on so far. I have everything I think I need for the first page and I have all the way to level 7 powers (for now).<br />
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== Creative Commons ==<br />
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I was trying to add some content in the D&D Wiki Media and the only CC license there was the Attribution-Share Alike. The content I'm trying to add is under Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative license. Can that be added to the licenses? Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 16:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. In the license template just add it. For example <nowiki>{{license|Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, did it. However, when I added the image I forgot to put some characters and the link ended kinda weird. Now, when I try to edit it, the following messenge shows up:<br />
::out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen<br />
::I guess that that shouldn't happen (great insightful conclusion, I know...)--[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== archanist class ==<br />
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I was looking at your article on the archanist pretige class. I am curious as to why a class who's description refers to magic being deschooled and organized into one group, requires the player to give up nearly half of the available spells he can cast. This seems like a contradiction in the very nature of the prestige class.<br />
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you can contact me at kingdork5ooo@hotmail.com<br />
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== Ganteka RfA ==<br />
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I understand where you were coming from when you deleted my post, and I'd like to take a second to explain to you how I saw what happened: I posted a reminder to keep things courteous, as in the heat of the discussion everyone was beginning to get snippy (as you well know, from the number of warnings you gave out). You edited your post to make it seem less offensive, then deleted mine. My first reaction, I'm sorry to say, was "That jerk, he's deleting my comments and covering his own ass" (forgive my language, I'm being honest here, and this is, as far as I know, private. We're grown up, we have seen these words before). So you can see why I was upset, you made no mention that you were going to delete my post because the discussion was over. However, I have now understood what happened, and that's fine. I'm over it. I don't care that you edited your post so it seems better to you. I don't even care that you closed any and all discussion of the matter early. Whatever, I can live with that too. I don't care that you feel what you wrote was a "suggestion" or a "suggestion-like command", and not a breach of etiquette rules. Just, in the future, when you feel it necessary to delete one of my posts, I'd like to hear about it. That's why talk pages exist. Even if you didn't want to drop me a note on my talk page, you could have written in the summary of the page something to the effect of "Discussion has ended, edit has been deleted". I think as a fellow editor of this wiki, you owe me (and everyone else) that same courtesy. However, like I said, I'm moving on. I'm fine if we don't discuss this matter any further. Ganteka turned in his letter of resignation; I don't fully understand why we even went through this charade. Some semblance of cloture, I suppose. Thanks for your time, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 05:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The RfA is not over (when the RfA is it will be) just that discussion part was just so off-topic that it was over (it did not relate to Ganteka's2 RfA at all). Why was your comment after I stated "''This discussion is over from my post out.''" deleted? That is your answer. It was just too off-topic. Is that a breach of civility - recommending him to see a psychiatrist (which you asked to be addressed)? One, the correct place to discuss that is on [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. Two, I don't think so, I was just worried that that user was not thinking clearly (not meaning of less intellect - defiantly intelligent since he or she was able to respond completely). To me it is an honest worry since this user seemed to be contradicting him or herself and not noticing it. Although I could see of some which think that psychiatrists are not helpful to all in all regards (or I do not understand) who find it uncivil. I don't know, Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::If you were genuinely concerned with someone's mental state, it'd be best to confront them privately about it, not on a random webpage. That's more tactless than uncivil I suppose, though. And if you truly believe that everyone is equal in all ways, there shouldn't be any admins at all. I understand that you want to have people assigned to take care of certain things (making sure pages are formatted, redirecting things, fixing errors and the like), but this is creating distinctions between people on the wiki. Furthermore, things like "Maybe you like begging? Who knows. Irrelevant." and "This site is not "risky" for me, I don't need to step around on tiptoes. I don't care. I own the damn thing." do come off as hostile, even if that isn't your intent. Continuing, "having a blatant bias" sounds like something everyone on this wiki is guilty of. Do you suppose we can get a psychiatrist on a group rate? Continuing on, you are also guilty of that last bit. Take, for example, this quote "I suggest you take a look at Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2. These people only contributed to about 7% of the activity of D&D Wiki. That's not "prime" and "perfection" that's 7%. Please, once again, do research before presenting things." You wrote that on Ganteka's RfA. If you took the time to look back you might come across one of my posts. You were simply denying my math. I know what you want to say. You wanted to say that those 9 people accounted for 7% of the total wiki edits. That is correct. However, that was not the point of the argument. The point was that 10% of the wiki's registered users account for 90% of the wiki's edits. So take those 9 names, add in you and Hooper, and about 390 other top editors and you'll see that their total contributions will total about 90% of the edits. I am not going to make that any clearer, I don't think. That is a prime example of you ignoring facts and "having a blatant bias". And as for your systematic warning policy that "govern[s] all", it doesn't. No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him. "Discussions are not deleted on D&D Wiki." That's another gem of a quote of yours from the Ganteka RfA page of yours. Or how about " Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki? Yes, like 2938 times. No, not once. Yes, in a revision history and in a few edit summaries (User Talk: Eiji#Farmer revisions, and see edit contributions for edit summaries - "damn" was used, although not derogatory). Which are you going to trust?" I suppose you mean you swore on the farmer page. You also swore about the wiki 3 lines down. Does that count as proof? Taking a second to check out the farmer page (A really fun class, if I say so myself) you began the page with "Actually you can't move your things on D&D Wiki their - it's illegal. It's the CC and the GNU FDL v1.2. --Green Dragon 23:17, 11 November 2009 (MST)" and ended the page with "AND FOR THE LAST TIME ANYONE CAN REPUBLISH ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT IS UNDER THE GNU FDL v1.2 I HAVE SAID THAT ABOUT A MILLION TIMES AND SOURCED THE GNU FDL v1.2 IN THOSE PARTS AS WELL SO STOP REPEATING THAT WHICH I NEVER EVEN HINTED AT! --Green Dragon 14:26, 14 November 2009 (MST)". Just another example of contradictory statements that we all hate so much.One final note, check out the votes for RfA of people you stripped of admin rights. None passed. Not a single one. What's the point of having an election if we all already know the outcome? Feel free to say they could have been approved and kept their admin rights, but we both know that was never a possibility. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Badger, when I read this I was forced to ask: where are you getting your stats that those 7% of users account for 90% of the contributions on the wiki? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. I know GD has 50k+ edits, I've got slightly over 10k, and a couple of those that left had 8k or more. But for the most part they only had a couple hundred (if that) edits. I'd really like to understand where you're getting your figures from. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Those 11 users account for less than 10% of the users(something like .2%, in truth). A collection of the true 10% would be like 400 users. I've not actually found the top 400 contributors to the wiki. However, considering 11 have something along the lines of 30% of the edits, I assumed we could find another 390 that would get an approximation of 90% of the total edits. Not to sound rude, but I've got better things to do than to track down the top 400 contributors of the wiki (I'm sure most of us do). It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, but given the data I did collect, I'm pretty confident that the 90/10 theory applies to this wiki about as well as it applies to most every other wiki. However, feel free to ignore that tangent if you feel it is incorrect. Honestly, I've not done enough research to really defend that point. Like I said, I think it works but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. I'll accept any data you're willing to provide.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Proof is needed; a theory does not suffice. Another theory is that the entire world is only that which ''you'' can look around and see, touch, and in other ways influence. The rest does not exist. I don't exist. This wiki does not exist. Nothing exists except when ''you'' will it to. Is that then the case? Maybe, right?<br />
:::::Therefore 90% is not the case - proof is needed. Those edits accounted for under 7% (less now) of the activity. That's under 7%.<br />
:::::Your right about the tactlessness, sorry about that. Could we get a physicist at a group rate? Who knows, right.<br />
:::::"''No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him.''" you could be right, I do not know. It's very hard sometimes to analyze oneself the exact same - one's own biases and ideas make it much more complicated, I find. In any case I did not mean it in any way to make him feel belittled, I said it out of (although tactless) concern.<br />
:::::"''Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki?''" right, but damn is not a "gross profanity" word and it's not used referring to someone. I think (I could be wrong - let me know if I am please) that damn, in the English language, has a number of uses and word types and therefore it is permitted in some uses and instances.<br />
:::::About [[User Talk:Eiji#Farmer]] those are ''different'' licenses. That is not contradictory in the least.<br />
:::::''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''. Admins are granted those abilities by users by way of a nomination but that does not mean they should be treated the same.<br />
:::::And the systematic [[Warning Policy|warning policy]] ''should'' govern all. Am I above it? No... Do I want to be? Irrelevant. All conspicuous areas should be posted to [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"Users are equal does not mean that users should be treated the same" What does that mean? They are equal, but should be treated differently? How are they equal then? If you're treating something differently, it's not equal! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::"''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''" means a few things. One is that if one commits an act against a policy, policies being systematic in nature (e.g. the [[Warning Policy]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_policy], etc etc, one just has to look at bit) they are not necessarily treated the same. For example one cannot vote on nominations. One cannot edit the wiki, etc.<br />
:::::::Or, since admins are elected by users they are not "''treated the same''" although they are still users they can now also delete things, do things users cannot, etc, and as such held in different a different light. Do you understand what I mean kinda? I can explain more if you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think I'm done with this discussion. It's clearly going nowhere, and it doesn't even seem you're taking it seriously. You're making less and less sense, and I fear it's only a matter of time before one of us tries to ban the other (and I already know how that would turn out). So I'm going to leave you with this tip: Fix the description of the Warning Policy page. "When one does not edit with civility and etiquette one becomes a warning for each time" --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not understand. What do you mean exactly? The wording seems fine to me and all this is implied. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::As far as the wording, GD...It should be "when one does not edit with civility and etiquette one '''gets''' a warning for each time," they don't become a warning. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: He also swore [[User talk:Surgo#Wikia]], which, I'm assured, is much worse than the word 'damn', according to certain civil servants. Just thought I'd chime in for you guys. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 15:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GNU FDL ==<br />
<br />
After watching the discussions over the past few months I have done extensive research into the GNU FDL. Any page without an updated author box is in void of the licence and no-longer licensed under the GNU FDL according to section 4B:<br />
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4. MODIFICATIONS<br />
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under<br />
the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release<br />
the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified<br />
Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution<br />
and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy<br />
of it. In addition, you must do these things in the Modified Version:<br />
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B. List on the '''Title''' Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities<br />
responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified<br />
Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the<br />
Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five),<br />
unless they release you from this requirement.<br />
<br />
Before you say it is able to be in the history page:<br />
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For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means<br />
the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title,<br />
preceding the beginning of the body of the text.<br />
<br />
And termination note:<br />
<br />
9. TERMINATION<br />
You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except<br />
as expressly provided for under this License. Any other attempt to<br />
copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Document is void, and will<br />
automatically terminate your rights under this License. However,<br />
parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this<br />
License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such<br />
parties remain in full compliance.<br />
<br />
In conclusion: Any authors will have to post their own authorship at the top of the page labeling the top 5 contributers (with each of their permission, as you are re-applying a licence) and also their name as publisher of the page. This means that any pages that do not currently meet these requirements (or any of the other requirements) can be removed by the author, as the licence requires permission from the copyright holder (the initial creator). If this licence is "re-applied" without the copyright holder's permission it is in breach of copyright laws and legal action may be taken. <br />
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I hope you understand fully and notify users correctly. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 13:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The bad thing about the license is it has never been upheld in a court of law, so really, no matter how much people may disagree, '''it really doesn't matter'''. Find a lawyer and sue, or shut up about it. If you win, then you'll be making a precedence that other sites can follow. <br />
:Finally, go over to wikipedia - the largest website in existence using the license. Do you see any author spots on the pages? '''NO'''. Now, does that mean all of wikipedia and the lawyers they hired to look into the subject are wrong and you few are oh-so-smarter? '''No again'''. It means that it has been deemed that in a wiki format, as long as each edit is cataloged in the history, then attribution has been made. If you guys think we're doing it wrong, then you must also by the same logic think that Wikipedia is doing it wrong. Please, go tell them, I'd love to see the responses you get for a such a brazen statement. <br />
:The following is a great quote to keep in mind: ''"...are (1) the five principal author listing (all the authors must be listed in 1.1; this is clearly not problem with Wikipedia as the history pages list all the authors of a particular GFDL work) and..."''. Additionally, ''"...The GFDL requires that the names of authors are preserved, and we keep a full record of exactly who wrote what in the history of each article...."''. It have even been said ''"...Editors are collaborators, not authors, and therefore have no rights (except for the right granted to them to reuse their contributions elsewhere). The rights are held by the individual projects, as publishers, and the foundation can act on their behalf....". Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that last one would also need to be upheld in court before we could say it is 100% true. <br />
:The best quote to keep in mind is a simple one: ''"..The "authors" are explicitly mentioned in the history log of every article. :I think you need to show evidence of why the history log is invalid as a record of authorship...."''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Wikipedia ''did'' use the GNU FDL. They changed recently. If, theoretically, you are right what do you say about "''List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version''"? Therefore, why are my edits not displayed alongside (for example)? This conundrum in your logic (which makes it not work) has been discussed at length on [[Talk:Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)#Author Template]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Under the license the fact that you edited must be shown, as you are an author. Also, you cannot compare wikipedia to this wiki, wikipedia is sourcing facts while this wiki are users creations. Also in that case wikipedia is the entity itself that holds the copyright for the information on the site, not the individual editors. Plus, the fact that they removed the GFDL is a sign that they came to a problem and had to remove it. Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page. Also Hooper, if the licence "doesn't matter" and has never been upheld in a court of law does that mean we shouldn't follow it? We shouldn't give users their rights? --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 00:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, I think Wikipedia just wanted to use a newer license. I could be wrong though. And you are incorrect. Wikipedia licenses everything therefore the same things do (well, did) apply.<br />
::::"''Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page.''" No. Anyone can revert anyones edits. That's silly to say. It's all part of the modified version. And, as I was saying, I think the "Title Page" is actually the line with the tabs on it (fulfills all the requirements) or maybe all the surrounding MW information. Why? The publisher, D&D Wiki, does need to be specific somewhere as well (maybe that is the logo - since it does not direct to an image). For example "''For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title, preceding the beginning of the body of the text.''"<br />
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:::::Yes, we can compare this wiki to wikipedia and we are. If you are saying we are doing it wrong, then you are also claiming that wikipedia was doing it wrong during their time using this license. I suggest you seek legal counsel if you truly feel that way. We have the GNU FDL for many reasons, and I will not devolve into a straw man argument. If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever. Simple as that. In the meantime, either call your bluff of legal action or drop the issue. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever." So how am I supposed to take away the "hitting submit" that I have already done, how is anyone that thought there was going to be the author template meant to? "Anyone can revert anyones edits." So why can users not have the author template if they chose? And why would you refuse to change [[Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)]] back to the way Daniel Draco requested? Also, "Actually I think Template:Author is forbidden under this license." That's silly to say. It would be part of the document, having no effect on the licence itself. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Because that template is being removed... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Sabre, why don't we agree to disagree on how the license is properly applied in a wiki format. You go get a lawyer to prove your point, and that would sway my thoughts. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 02:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Ignoring fulfilling the licence (lets assume that history does cover it) is there any reason why people can't say "I made this"? Most articles on this wiki aren't a collaborative effort. Also, I don't need to get a lawyer, I don't care about your liabilities though I thought I would warn you seeing I was doing the research anyway (this wiki seemed as good as any for a practical example). --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::When you first brought the subject back up it just came across as if you were threatening to seek legal action. That is why I said that. I know sometimes with type it is hard to come across appropriately, so I am sorry if I misunderstood. The simple fact is, if wikipedia did it - we can do it. And yes it is a valid example. Wikipedia's contributors are writing in their own words using a system or information already available. Our contributors are creating content using a system and rules already available. If wikipedia says that history is fine, then history is fine. The mere fact that the largest supporter of GNU FDL in a wiki format does that would be a huge point in any legal defense of the action ''(I don't remember the legal term they have for that, but basically it is when something is unsure at first but then through practice becomes reality)''.<br />
::::::::::All that being said, I never cared for the author template. It's best feature to me was actually the "status" field where you can let a user know if something is still being figured out. I made a quick Article Status template and have used it instead for a bit. That is really all the information the average surfer needs. If someone wants to know who is the author, they can simply go to the history or any messages on the talk page about the article. It doesn't hurt anyone, and helps the average surfer have the content right up front. I really don't understand all the fuss. If someone ever added something to this wiki thinking that it would either be published and they could revert to sole ownership or that it would never change and be altered ''(which requires ignoring the warning every edit)'' then that was foolish.<br />
::::::::::Additionally, I know that you said you have researched it. So have I, and I believe TK back before he was banned. What I discovered since was simple. Since it hasn't been brought to legal court, you can basically research it and take with it what you want. If you want it to come across a certain way, you read it that way. In short: it's vague. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::I prefer that someone may take ownership, as the primary creator then people may go onto the history page to see who has contributed. On an open contribution site there should still be a way for the user to keep their own work as it is, even if it is under the GNU FDL. It can still be copied and edited on another website (with the history) though on this website would be their final creation. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You may indeed prefer that, but that goes against the very nature of a '''collaborative''' site. Short of vandalism or spam, and that means that you wish to retroactively not have to accept the warning that has been in place for every edit since the site began, which reads: ''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here''. This isn't a personal database for any of us to "dump" or "store" our ideas. It is a collaborative and dynamic site. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I understand that, though each creation needs a form of leadership. Collaboration is only good if you have a goal, in creativity each persons goals may be different and you will get members editing the pages to their liking. A author box provides the creator (presumably the primary contributor) to lead the project, taking in others ideas (as it has previously done through giving ideas on talk pages. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::See, now I like what you're saying. Let me say that in our case, an Author template could theoretically never be correct. Yes, it may just be by happenchance that a user puts up an article and other than formatting or spelling no one else changes it. But for some of the big articles, we may have 50 users and IP and at least one chuck norris vandal over years of it being online and at that point the author template would either be huge and obstructive or it wouldn't be able to give everyone due - invalidating it. I made a quick Article Status template that I personally like because it allows someone to say where they are in their own process on an article and gives other users an idea to work with. Because we are different in our content in that degree than say, my above example of wikipedia, I do believe that we could utilize some sort of Article Status/Goal template. This would allow people to assist each other and improve articles, without getting into the author debate. But maybe that is another talk for another day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Am I misunderstanding what is happening here? Hooper and Green Dragon seem to be arguing against having an Author template on a page. I don't see any problem with Author Templates. I think DnD Wiki is collaborative on the whole, meaning while each page has a unique author (or team of authors), the entire site's content is free for all and collaboratively edited. If I write a class (and I have), I want it to be my own. While I'm not going to pretend to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo, I would expect to be the next to last word on all edits (final word being an admin can choose to delete it if it is offensive or something and doesn't comply with policy, but that's it). If I've written a class I want my name on it; partly for credit, partly as a way for people to contact me, and partly because it makes me proud. We're going to take my name off my page because some random IP thinks I should get Power Attack as a bonus feat at level 2, and suddenly he becomes the author? No, that's just foolish.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not Exactly Badger. This discussion mostly is about the legal mumbo jumbo. The GNU FDL is vague in regards to it's implementations of author and title in a wiki format. Reading it one way, the Author Template would never ever be enough to give all the proper credit. Reading it the other way ''(the way wikipedia does)'', the Author Template is invalid and should be removed but history can never be deleted. <br />
:::::As far as "final word", we all have to keep in mind that there has always been a warning (which I quoted above) that once we submit content, it can be edited mercilessly. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Am I violating copyright? ==<br />
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Hello, GreenDragon, and thank you for your time. I am currently working on a page (Drevanius campaign setting) and I am wondering if including statistics of creatures (nothing else) from another DND source is violating copyright. The section is Creatures of Drevanius.<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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You seem like a Very Knowledgable person, im currently working on designing an Epic level 3.5 Campaign, ive been designing NPCs Main chars and what not, and one of the main chars ive built diesnt have a name, as ironic as it is, it is a 15th Age Cat. Advanced Paragon White Great Wyrm of Legends, Leader of the Dragon council, and by far the strongest dragon among them, he is very unique and i just dont know what to call him, if you have the chance i would really appriciate it if you could shoot come good names at me, im just drawing a blank<br />
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Thanks - Envoy {{unsigned|Envoyof aGod}}<br />
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==Something interesting...==<br />
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I noticed that your RfA was mysteriously and unexplainably deleted, Greeny. I was just curious what that meant for your re-nomination of adminship. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Read the subscript on [[RfA]] and this post will be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You mean the part where you belatedly added that you and Blue were exceptions to the RfA policy? Why yes, I did happen to read that. And the part where you said (and then removed) that if you were voted against, you'd demote yourself. Why taunt people with stuff you'll never do? --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed my mind, and the policy as such, relating to adminship about [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]'s and my admin status. It wasn't a "taunt". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::'Changing your mind' about something while a process is already being implemented (especially in regards to yourself when you're about to 'lose' because of the policy) is just low. Why the change of heart anyways? If you think you might 'change your mind' anyways, why bother having policies in the first place? Just 'change your mind' about anything you don't like, even if other people like it. Sure, sounds fair, reasonable and perfectly acceptable. Right. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not really fair huh. Oh well. D&D Wiki ''is'' also a physical thing (takes bytes, bandwidth, etc). Those physical aspects make it so the people relating to hosting and upkeep are not going to lose adminship (or bureaucratship; transparent in the case of [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Incidentally since it was mentioned, , whatever happened to Blue Dragon? He vanished from everywhere a few months before the big smash-up, and I've not seen hide nor hair of him since. Would be great to get in contact with him again (contacting him on the Wiki has been all but impossible, so, I suppose I'd need some alternate method.). -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 04:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::He's been around. He came around me during the winter holidays. He actually was the one who updated MW and the extensions, although he is not done. You want to contact him? I'll tell him to add back the "hosted by" part and when he does you can click it and contact him. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Resignation ==<br />
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This is a notice to say that I will not be coming back to this wiki again. The issues you obviously have with control has caused me to lose faith in you and lose interest in the wiki. You have changed so much since I became admin, in more than one way. I would also like to point out that even though you own the physical server doesn't mean you have to be an admin here, you are only the host. Your attitude towards policies (and your need for power) were proven in you deleting your nomination for admin, when it was first posted you had began to fill it out and comply with the existing policy, then when the votes turned against you the policy was changed and the page deleted. You should go back and think about your actions, think about them from another point of view and see why those members left. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I will RfA you in a bit (with resignation as the reason or somesuch). I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship. Do you really not see how that is petty? One: This is not a democracy, although it has democratic influences. I don't care about all the democratic ways which things can be. It's not fair. Fairness, to me, is more important. On a different note they would no longer even edit, they may have just found it humorous to remove adminship from one who banned them for wrong actions. Look at it like this: Some people go to prison for committing crimes, they serve their time, they get out. After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor. Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care. This is not going to be like that. Do you understand where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say "Fairness, to me, is more important" do you mean "In my opinion, fairness is more important" or "It's more important for everyone to be fair to me, Green Dragon"? <br />
::''EDIT'': He means the first one.<br />
::Let me try and work through your analogy now: <br />
::*Some people go to prison for committing crimes<br />
::**Sabre070 <s>violated policy and was banned</s> was banned permanently <s>because of an inappropriate username</s> <s>without reason</s> with the implied reason that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] was banned, without reason (see his edits during the time), and was worried something was going on.<br />
::**<s>Later others disregard policies and get banned as a result (spamming the FA, unwarranted deletion, etc etc).</s> While true, it's irrelevant. We're talking about Sabre070 right now. If he did that we can include that in his "crimes". Otherwise, let's try to focus on the important issues.<br />
::*They serve their time, they get out.<br />
::**Then Sabre070's ban <s>expired</s> was undone 2 days later and he was allowed back into our open hearts once again, born anew, like a mighty Phoenix<br />
::*After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor.<br />
::**Sabre070 doesn't like how you lead, and tried to change that, by removing you from office (with an RfA).<br />
::*Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care.<br />
::** I don't care about what you think is fair, my word is <s>unimpeachable law</s> open to discussion, as long as we use logic. I, as Green Dragon, will delete that RfA, make new laws prohibiting future RfAs, and <s>pretend nothing happened</s> those are the results of the happenece. The deleted RfA's date and the revision history of [[RfA]] can be seen as evidence. This is my wiki, I own the damned thing.<br />
::--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC), with Green Dragon contributing.<br />
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:::I don't think [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] was banned though (save the small time right after I was banned). See also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ASabre070].<br />
:::Only the first way works, and not fully at that. I mean that fairness, as the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights is an important concept for me and how this site it run.<br />
:::"''my word is unimpeachable law''" - no. Things are discussed. Logic is used. I do not always get my way. It's just the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Allow me to amend my previous comment to reflect this new information. Until you reveal the true reason he was banned I'm leaving it as "without reason" because we both know there is nothing wrong with the username he'd been editing as since March of 2008.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I amended it as well, if you do not mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh, '''''"...I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship...."'''''. Best cliffnotes ever. <br />
:::::::Related note: Should it be required that a person RfAing and the person being RfA's be '''X''' amount active on the wiki? I.e. so many edits, meeting a certain edit-per-month count, etc. etc.? I've always thought so. I also don't believe that votes from new or IPs should be counted in RfAs (Wikipedia doesn't count them - arguing that they may very well be single-purpose accounts). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I don't mind at all, facts are important! I think we are approaching the best approximation of the actual events. Can you fact check as to whether or not Sabre070 was involved in the goings on? I don't recall if he was, but he was unblocked 2 days later, so I assume he wasn't involved. <br />
::::::::Hooper, to address your question I always thought IPs were allowed to comment and such, but you had to be a registered user to actually vote (newly made voters subject inspection for meat puppetry).--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::That is a great question [[User:Hooper|Hooper]]. It needs to be discussed on [[Talk:Requests for Adminship]] though; this is not the place.<br />
:::::::::Was [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] involved? Who knows. If you look at [[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2]] you can see a list of this so-called "RC Committee" - but not everyone on their was banned. E.g. [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]]. People were banned for doing actions against policy and/or violating their positions of authority. Bans are not given out for any other reason. The policy comes from Wikipedia. This committee was never implemented since it was illogical compared to alternatives, which are now in place. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::The so called "RC Committee"? If you had've looked I am not mentioned on that page once. Also, the reason for my blocking was that Aarnott had blocked Green Dragon for 3 days for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment: You are acting out of line right now. Perhaps you should clear your head and come back to this later... Otherwise, this site will lose a lot of its users." and he explains other reasons on his RfA. If I am looking at the block list correctly, you are saying that you are free to intimidate and harass anyone, though others aren't? Also, I like how you always say "we use logic here" (Green Dragon Logic) and also say that it is a wiki and not a dictatorship, yet also say that it is your wiki and you cannot get banned, un-nominated, or treated like any other user. <br />
::::::::::Also, I was not involved, the only edits I have done can be seen here: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=Sabre070&namespace=&year=2009&month=8 Contributions]. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I don't know where you guys all grew up or worked, but the person footing the bills makes the rules. You are free to disagree, but in the end it comes down to the owner makes the calls. It is obvious from months of the transientwiki crowd and it's fallout's attempts that you will get nowhere, so just save yourself the trouble and leave. The owner has the final say, whether we agree with it or not. To think otherwise is insane. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::Ya, you can trust [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] fully, or you can look at my edit contributions during those days. Normal. A policy, which was not agreed upon, was implemented. As such it was removed. Next?<br />
:::::::::::::The rest of what you said is not true. Well, I guess that means all of it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Oh Boy... ==<br />
You may want to have a look at [[Talk:3.5e Open Game Content]]. Seems another wiki is having some issues with us. Two users just signed on and I believe wish to discuss the issue with you. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:38, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi Green Dragon ==<br />
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It appears that a recent edit of the 3.5e Open Game Content page appears to be taken whole or in part from my site (http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/publication-list).<br />
The reason I suspect this is because <br />
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Steve Russell Presents…<br />
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appears on your page. Steve Russell owns Rite Publishing and personally sent me that material to upload on the Grand OGL Wiki. So I think one of your users may have <br />
copy/paste that material.<br />
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If the DnDWiki intends to replicate the Open Game Content from my site on this site can you make sure that the section 15 for that material appears in your sites open game license.<br />
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If you wish to contact me about this matter feel free to email me at gedakm@gmail.com. I can put you in contact with Steve Russell if you like as well.<br />
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- Mark Gedak<br />
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