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<div>== Question ==<br />
Could you please post a list of the order to take these in for the best optimization as you go? [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 12:51, 7 October 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Regarding the conclusion of the UA version, it should be noted that you would be unable to cast spells which require a somatic component as meld into stone states that you cannot move except to exit the stone. [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 11:07, 26 February 2019 (MST)<br />
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This needs to better explain whats going on.<br />
*Firstly, it should summarize the concept in a lead statement.<br />
*If warlock levels are chosen, what spells should be learned?<br />
*What are the limitations due to spell slots? For example a 5th level wizard has 2 3rd-level spells and slots; but there are four 3rd-level spells mentioned.<br />
*Why am I pumping 5 levels into Paladin for a steed, when I can increase Wizard levels to summon more creatures?<br />
*It needs to show where the class is sub-optimal. If I'm a wizard-paladin-cleric-ranger, then I have four prime ability scores. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 13:17, 7 October 2018 (MDT)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosewater&diff=1100837User talk:Rosewater2018-11-03T20:24:08Z<p>Daedalus: /* Talk:Card Slinger (5e Class) */</p>
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I thank you for the warm welcome SirSprinkles. I hope you have a wonderful day. <br />
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[[User:Rosewater|Rosewater]] ([[User talk:Rosewater|talk]]) 14:11, 11 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
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== [[Talk:Card Slinger (5e Class)]] ==<br />
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Please check out this talk page so I can understand your edits. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 23:54, 19 April 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Hi Rosewater, I'm a big fan of the card slinger class and I'm curious about the change you just made. Did you mean to remove all the AoE effects? No longer exploding in a line cone or radius? If so, do you have reasoning behind this decision? Thanks. [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 00:57, 5 October 2018 (PST)<br />
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I did. There are two reasons for this choice one to improve game play and one to keep the class on this wiki.<br />
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The first is I found the AOE limiting. AOE is great to use blowing up your targets and all that until the rest of your party is in the mix. I found playing this class that the AOE stop myself from being able to attack with my cards in the middle of combat. If I was lucky I could get one card off at the beginning before the the front liners ran into the mix but unless I was willing hit my own party members most time I found myself unable to do much. <br />
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The other reason is the staff hates the AOE on here. This class keeps getting flagged for being unbalance. It got to a point where I got temp banned put on me because I kept removing the flag. So I choose to remove the AOE from the class to get the staff off my back. Rosewater 4:40, 10/5/2018 (EST)<br />
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:Hi, so just a suggestion, it may be interesting to keep the AoE but not have it do damage, just have it apply the effect in that shape. Does that make sense? So only the target takes damage but everyone caught in the blast has to save against the effects like blindness and halved movement speed. Also you, just so you know you can automatically tag your posts with the timestamp by adding "~ ~ ~ ~" without the quotes or spaces. [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 14:24, 3 November 2018 (MDT)<br />
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== Creating Homebrew ==<br />
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I've noticed you keep wanting to increase the power of things or refuse to reduce power of pages that are too much already. Perhaps some guidelines will help you and your edits on the site, as well as others that are trying to build a positive reputation for this site. Both of these are great resources to check out, [[Class Do's and Don'ts (5e Guideline)]] and [[Understanding Bounded Accuracy (5e Guideline)]]. Good luck. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 07:39, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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:I thank you for the links but I don't see these classes as unbalance. I make these class as I want them. Don't get me wrong I take in each note and if I agree with the issue I change it. I do not understand how having a few extra attacks (that were based off a official class) unbalance a game. Could you explain it to me? No one tells me anything they just alter the work on Card Slingers after I make the changes. I made the class but at this moment have no creative control over it. {{unsigned|Rosewater}}<br />
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::Do you read the edit summaries or the discussion page? I've placed things there to help explain the edits I've been making. I don't think that you have no creative control over it, but this is a wiki and everything is subject to other users. I feel like I am in the same boat as you with this class. I saw it sat dormant 2 months, and the issues that kept getting brought up weren't being addressed. So I did an overhaul on it to help balance it. I would like to focus on that word too. You mention you create classes as you want them but it is very important to some users of the site that articles be playable for others at any table. I understand the fighter has extra attack 4 times, but just because a core feature exists doesn't mean it can be applied to any situation we want, e.g. full spellcasters don't get that feature. <br />
::I've worked really hard at trying to keep Card Slinger at a fun and balanced level. If you disagree with an edit or undo, there's a discussion page. Otherwise, at the very end of it all, if you are unhappy with people trying to balance your creation, you can place it on your userspace where it is yours to edit and others to leave alone. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 09:17, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Those people who find it unbalance don't have to play it. I go to make a char and find all the changes I made gone. So now I had to explain to my DM how the class is not how it should be. Lucky my DM understood. This class is suppose to be about speed A card slinger throws cards a skilled card play can deal cards very quickly. Thematically having the card slinger able to speed up the speed he can pulls and throw cards makes more sense. Also each card has a different damage value so while you can pull four of the same card the odd are very low. I didn't realize I needed ask to edit my class.<br />
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:You don't need to ask to edit a page (usually), but it's not really "your" class - it is long-standing policy that no user can claim sole ownership of a page. Please see [[Help:Attribution Policy]] and [[Help:Legal]] for more information on this. If you don't want other people editing "your" page, you can move it into your userspace, where other users are not allowed to edit, except for administrators to remove content that breaks the [[Help:Behavioral Policy]]. If you don't know how to do this, I or another user would be willing to help you. ([[Help:Editing#From Input Boxes]] might be a good place to learn about this) {{User:Geodude671/Signature}} . . 16:41, 15 October 2018 (MDT)<br />
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::If this is done, please keep a copy at the original title, as BSFM apparently made an overhaul to the class that should not be deleted. You can also go to the history tab and find a permanent link to every revision made, so you could keep that link for personal use :) --[[User:GamerAim|GamerAim]] [[File:chatmod.png]] ([[User talk:GamerAim|talk]]) 15:43, 17 October 2018 (MDT)<br />
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== Iron Chef ==<br />
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Rosewater, I wish I can kiss you for posting a 5e Iron Chef class!!! --Redrum 18:44, 20 June 2018 (MDT)<br />
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This is an official warning for repeated removal of templates on the [[https://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Card_Slinger_%285e_Class%29&type=revision&diff=1071299&oldid=1071012| Card Slinger]] page. I tried discussing issues in the past with you, but now more users have agreed the page isn't balanced. Please discuss with the community or fix the issues on the page before removing the template. You can always move a page to your user space if you don't like the direction the wiki users are going with the article. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 12:28, 11 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
:After another removal of content from the Card Slinger page, and no collaboration to improve the article, you've been blocked. I hope that is long enough to consider working with other users on the site. Cheers! [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 14:25, 11 August 2018 (MDT)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minion-Mancer:_Guide_to_Necromancy,_Conjuration_and_More!_(5e_Optimized_Character_Build)&diff=1091648Talk:Minion-Mancer: Guide to Necromancy, Conjuration and More! (5e Optimized Character Build)2018-10-07T18:51:12Z<p>Daedalus: Created page with "== Question == Could you please post a list of the order to take these in for the best optimization as you go? ~~~~"</p>
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<div>== Question ==<br />
Could you please post a list of the order to take these in for the best optimization as you go? [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 12:51, 7 October 2018 (MDT)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Daedalus&diff=1091643User:Daedalus2018-10-07T18:17:31Z<p>Daedalus: /* Currently Playing */</p>
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<div>==About me==<br />
I only recently started playing D&D. I found out that the college I attend has a club and decided to try it in my second semester. It's been almost a year since then and we're still running the same great campaign. <br><br />
I used to be a competitive Starcraft II player and my college's team made the top 8 continental, but that life seems to be behind me now. <br><br />
This is the first wiki I have ever contributed to, so please be patient with me. I'm not great at formatting but I have a wealth of experienced players to draw upon for advice. <br> <br />
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====Currently Playing====<br />
Playing just one homebrew character in an excellent homebrew campaign <br><br />
Kelsier: [[Card Slinger, Variant (5e Class)]] Charlatan, trying to balance the class</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Daedalus&diff=1091642User:Daedalus2018-10-07T18:17:04Z<p>Daedalus: /* Currently Playing */</p>
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<div>==About me==<br />
I only recently started playing D&D. I found out that the college I attend has a club and decided to try it in my second semester. It's been almost a year since then and we're still running the same great campaign. <br><br />
I used to be a competitive Starcraft II player and my college's team made the top 8 continental, but that life seems to be behind me now. <br><br />
This is the first wiki I have ever contributed to, so please be patient with me. I'm not great at formatting but I have a wealth of experienced players to draw upon for advice. <br> <br />
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====Currently Playing====<br />
Playing just one homebrew character in an excellent homebrew campaign <br><br />
Kelsier: [[Card Slinger, Variant (5e Class)]] Charlatan, trying to balance the class [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 12:17, 7 October 2018 (MDT)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Rosewater&diff=1091128User talk:Rosewater2018-10-05T07:58:38Z<p>Daedalus: </p>
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I thank you for the warm welcome SirSprinkles. I hope you have a wonderful day. <br />
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[[User:Rosewater|Rosewater]] ([[User talk:Rosewater|talk]]) 14:11, 11 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
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== [[Talk:Card Slinger (5e Class)]] ==<br />
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Please check out this talk page so I can understand your edits. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 23:54, 19 April 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Hi Rosewater, I'm a big fan of the card slinger class and I'm curious about the change you just made. Did you mean to remove all the AoE effects? No longer exploding in a line cone or radius? If so, do you have reasoning behind this decision? Thanks. [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 00:57, 5 October 2018 (PST)<br />
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== Creating Homebrew ==<br />
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I've noticed you keep wanting to increase the power of things or refuse to reduce power of pages that are too much already. Perhaps some guidelines will help you and your edits on the site, as well as others that are trying to build a positive reputation for this site. Both of these are great resources to check out, [[Class Do's and Don'ts (5e Guideline)]] and [[Understanding Bounded Accuracy (5e Guideline)]]. Good luck. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 07:39, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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:I thank you for the links but I don't see these classes as unbalance. I make these class as I want them. Don't get me wrong I take in each note and if I agree with the issue I change it. I do not understand how having a few extra attacks (that were based off a official class) unbalance a game. Could you explain it to me? No one tells me anything they just alter the work on Card Slingers after I make the changes. I made the class but at this moment have no creative control over it. {{unsigned|Rosewater}}<br />
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::Do you read the edit summaries or the discussion page? I've placed things there to help explain the edits I've been making. I don't think that you have no creative control over it, but this is a wiki and everything is subject to other users. I feel like I am in the same boat as you with this class. I saw it sat dormant 2 months, and the issues that kept getting brought up weren't being addressed. So I did an overhaul on it to help balance it. I would like to focus on that word too. You mention you create classes as you want them but it is very important to some users of the site that articles be playable for others at any table. I understand the fighter has extra attack 4 times, but just because a core feature exists doesn't mean it can be applied to any situation we want, e.g. full spellcasters don't get that feature. <br />
::I've worked really hard at trying to keep Card Slinger at a fun and balanced level. If you disagree with an edit or undo, there's a discussion page. Otherwise, at the very end of it all, if you are unhappy with people trying to balance your creation, you can place it on your userspace where it is yours to edit and others to leave alone. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 09:17, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Those people who find it unbalance don't have to play it. I go to make a char and find all the changes I made gone. So now I had to explain to my DM how the class is not how it should be. Lucky my DM understood. This class is suppose to be about speed A card slinger throws cards a skilled card play can deal cards very quickly. Thematically having the card slinger able to speed up the speed he can pulls and throw cards makes more sense. Also each card has a different damage value so while you can pull four of the same card the odd are very low. I didn't realize I needed ask to edit my class.<br />
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== Iron Chef ==<br />
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Rosewater, I wish I can kiss you for posting a 5e Iron Chef class!!! --Redrum 18:44, 20 June 2018 (MDT)<br />
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This is an official warning for repeated removal of templates on the [[https://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Card_Slinger_%285e_Class%29&type=revision&diff=1071299&oldid=1071012| Card Slinger]] page. I tried discussing issues in the past with you, but now more users have agreed the page isn't balanced. Please discuss with the community or fix the issues on the page before removing the template. You can always move a page to your user space if you don't like the direction the wiki users are going with the article. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 12:28, 11 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
:After another removal of content from the Card Slinger page, and no collaboration to improve the article, you've been blocked. I hope that is long enough to consider working with other users on the site. Cheers! [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 14:25, 11 August 2018 (MDT)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Card_Slinger_(5e_Class)&diff=1090540Talk:Card Slinger (5e Class)2018-10-03T10:47:23Z<p>Daedalus: /* Question */</p>
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<div>I hope you like my Card Slinger<br />
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== How the Dealer Works ==<br />
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How the Dealer Works for the Card Slinger<br />
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1) Both the player and the character have a deck of cards. The players deck of cards mimics the characters deck. The player must shuffle and draw a card to see which card the character draws.<br />
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2) Shuffling is a bonus action.<br />
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3) Drawing is a action. <br />
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4) Charging is a bonus action.<br />
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5) Shuffling & drawing cause it to charge. Throwing is well to get rid of it since the Card Slinger is now holding a bomb. <br />
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6) At level 1 the Card Slinger can throw the card up to 40 feet. At level 3 the Card Slinger can throw it up to 50 feet. <br />
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7) All creatures caught in the blast must make a Dex Save Throw to take half damage from the blast.<br />
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8) The Charging it a build of energy in the card before it explodes. It charges until next Card Slingers turn. Pretty much think of this way you have a grenade you pull the pin (Shuffle and Drawing) and then you throw the grenade and then it explodes a moment later. <br />
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9) The Card Slinger shuffles (free action) the deck and then draws (action) the top card, the card is now charging. Now the Card Slinger can throw the card (free action) (you do not need to throw the card but you are now holding a live bomb that will go off your next turn). <br />
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10) The charging is pretty much away to get away from the blast zone. This delay also allows the player to use the card in ways to slide the card into places to blast it open.<br />
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I need help with the Spelling and grammar I dyslexic.<br />
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:May I have free reign on this? Please look at some contribs of mine and know I don't take away flavor. This design is interesting and I'd keep intact everything to my best ability. It sounds scary, but I do my best to work with primary contributors not against. I'll wait a week in the event of business or no response then dive into this. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 14:23, 19 November 2017 (MST)<br />
::I've done quite a bit of rework and like where the core class is. I'll be starting on subclasses soon. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 13:12, 11 December 2017 (MST)<br />
:::I'm done with this except for wikifying it. During my time I thought to myself I think this should just be a subclass and then today (after 2-3 solid days) I find someone has a cardslinger subclass :D :D :D. Anyways, I am pretty satisfied with this class. Needs flavor text for the features and wikified but I'm ready for feedback. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 13:50, 12 December 2017 (MST)<br />
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;;;;Sure knock yourself out.<br />
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== Free Action ==<br />
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Your wrong in the PHB page 190 <br />
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Other Activity on Your Turn<br />
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Your turn can include a variety of flourishes that require neither your action nor your move. You can communicate however you are able, through brief utterances and gestures, as you take your turn. You can also interact with one object or feature of the environment for free, during either your move or your action. For example, you could open a door during your move as you stride toward a foe, or you could draw your weapon as part o f the same action you use to attack. If you want to interact with a second object, you need to use your action. Some magic items and other special objects always require an action to use, as stated in their descriptions. The DM might require you to use an action for any of these activities w hen it needs special care or when it presents an unusual obstacle. For instance, the DM could reasonably expect you to use an action to open a stuck door or turn a crank to lower a drawbridge.<br />
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:While yes, Free Actions are explained, no they do not exist. Your more likely to use bonus actions or actions, unless you're adamant about the free action, then include the "free action" as part of movement (like mentioned above) or as part of an attack (drawing a weapon when you attack). Free actions don't exactly function in 5e, they're just things that happen as part of other actions/movement. Is that helpful? [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 13:40, 19 November 2017 (MST)<br />
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Okay I thought bonus action and free actions were the same thing<br />
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== Recent Edits ==<br />
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[[User:Rosewater|Rosewater]], can you please explain why you insist on changing the Stone Faced feature? Or why you are removing things I specifically placed to avoid unbalanced results? [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 23:53, 19 April 2018 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't think it is unbalance I tested it out before your changes and worked better then I hoped. I think stone face works better as an advantage.<br />
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::On the contrary. Allowing the effect of the suit to apply on cantrips makes it unbalanced. What makes the advantage "work" better? Gaining advantage on skills is rather boring. The alternative that I used follows core classes. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 09:59, 20 April 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Hey Rosewater, I am still waiting to hear why advantage works better. Might I suggest instead of changing half the work someone has done you try discussing things? <br><br />
Action Surge and Extra Attack are unnecessary features. 4 attacks for this class with the highest damage is 5d10 or roughly 30 damage. This is also area of effect damage. 120 damage to possibly more than one target is much stronger than anything in the Player's Handbook in terms of attacks. Spells have the potential but they're limited to slots. In addition, the status condition's that accompany the attacks. Apply the Action Surge, it just gets more out of hand. <br />
Second, or third?, why the unconventional starting gold? [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 07:04, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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I could easily say that's how I want it as the creator of the class but I not going say that since it sounds childish and the fact you sat down and wrote me thank you for that. If I would known that you would of taken control of my class where you over ride my changes I would never said okay to you making changes at all. <br />
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1) Before I had it as You get a proficiency in the skill and if you already had it you got double proficiency. To my knowledge is not a thing. I made this char early on in playing 5e and was unaware of advantage and disadvantage at that time. So I changed it to fit the rules of the the game more. <br />
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2) I disagree with that. your looking at the end game when this char is high level yes it going be a powerhouse but not in the beginning. In the beginning he not pulling four cards in fact they only get action Surge which they can only use once between rest. <br />
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This class is suppose to be about speed A card slinger throws cards a skilled card play can deal cards very quickly. Thematically having the card slinger able to speed up the speed he can pulls and throw cards makes more sense. Also each card has a different damage value so while you can pull four of the same card the odd are very low. <br />
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3) why 1d30 I find it more fun. I mean at most it give 300 gold but that not to much to start with. Also with online dice roller using a 1d30 is not a issue.<br />
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:Well, thanks for answering my questions at least. I suppose we aren't going to see eye to eye on things. I'm going to ask for some second opinions, get some help from others, and maybe come to a solution that works best for everyone. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 09:50, 1 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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when you play this class do you need an actual deck of cards--[[User:Alucarddragonborn|Alucarddragonborn]] ([[User talk:Alucarddragonborn|talk]]) 10:50, 2 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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:You could use construction paper in 4 different colors and write what you need on them, and draw them from a hat. You can even use regular lined paper, tear into pieces, write 2H for 2 of hearts and go on like that. A deck may be easiest but certainly don't let it restrict you. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 10:54, 2 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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that cool i ask because some people might not have a deck of cards.also if there isnt already how about a feature that you could do card tricks that can attract a crowd of people allowing a fellow party member for some good old pick pocketing.--[[User:Alucarddragonborn|Alucarddragonborn]] ([[User talk:Alucarddragonborn|talk]]) 12:33, 2 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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:that is a feasible thing to do via roleplay and not necessary for a feature. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 12:42, 2 May 2018 (MDT)<br />
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You could do that with a Performance check<br />
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There seems to be an issue if you draw and throw either a 2 or 3 before lvl 6. As the class is written at the moment you can only throw a card 30ft before lvl 6 meaning you are guaranteed to be in the blast radius when you throw a 2 or 3. Also, a 60ft radius on a 2 means that it is possible for 75 creatures to be in the blast radius assuming each creature is in its own 5ft square. If this had been the case in the situation I was in in my last session, I rolled a 6 for damage and have a {{5e|Charisma}} modifier of +4, I would have dealt 750 damage with a single attack action at lvl 2 with no magic items or buffs of any kind. And yes, I almost TPK the party...[[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|TheFuzzyGoblinWizard]] ([[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|talk]])<br />
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With regards to my above post and giving it some more thought, you can look at each individual '''Card''' as a cantrip spell with a bit of wild magic causing the variance in them. With this in mind, I propose the following adjustments:<br />
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For the '''2 Card''', decrease radius from 60ft to 20ft. A well placed throw into a crowd could still hit 41 people and you are not guaranteed to hit yourself with you own attack even when you roll an natural 20 at lvls 5 and lower.<br />
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For the '''3 Card''', decrease radius from 40ft to 15ft. You can still catch 25 people with this if they are bunched together in perfect formation and this brings it into line with the change to the '''2 Card'''.<br />
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For the '''4 Card''', decrease radius from 20ft to 10ft. This is to bring this '''Card''' in line with the above changes as well as reign in this AOE "'''''Eldritch Blast'''''".<br />
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For the '''5 Card''', decrease the length of the line for 60ft to 45ft. Although you cannot kill youself with this one (unless you roll poorly and the DM is feeling vindictive), being able to hit every enemy that is between 30ft and 90ft away at lvl 1 seems a little strong to me. <br />
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For the '''6 Card''', decrease the length of the line for 40ft to 30ft. This change is primarily to bring this '''Card''' in line with the above change. Should still be easy to catch 2 creatures with this.<br />
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For the '''7 Card''', decrease the length of the line for 20ft to 15ft. This change is primarily to bring this '''Card''' in line with the above changes. Still possible to catch 2 creatures with a good roll and proper positioning with this short range "'''''Eldritch Blast'''''".<br />
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I'd be happy to hear anyone's opinions on these changes as well as other ideas any one has, cheers. [[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|TheFuzzyGoblinWizard]] ([[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|talk]]) 08:13, 1 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
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I calculated the enemies affected for the radius attacks using the following: N= the radius/5ft aka the number of unique squares affected. Creatures affected = ((n(n+1)/2)*4)+1. The (n(n+1)/2) portion gives us 1 of 4 quadrants that makes up the whole area. *4 gives us the total area of spaces other than the origin of the "explosion" and the +1 includes the origin space. --[[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|TheFuzzyGoblinWizard]] ([[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|talk]]) 08:34, 2 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
:I believe the reduction in the aoe's of the cards is a good step in the right direction, but the class has some pretty glaring other issues. The other pretty major issues with the cards/class is the fact that the cards deal aoe damage and you can't save against it to negate or reduce the damage dealt(in comparison, ''{{5e|Magic Missile}}'' is a first level spell and you get a better version of it in an aoe that scales to absurd levels), plus the extra attacks/action surge allows you deal damage akin to that of a fighter against multiple creatures, making the class completely outshine any other class in terms of total damage output which can't be avoided(also, as written, you don't even need to hit a creature to deal damage to it, you just need to throw the card at the ground/near it to damage it since the cards deal aoe damage). As a whole, it looks like The Deck feature needs to be reworked and/or the class needs to make significantly less attacks.--[[User:Blobby383b|Blobby383b]] ([[User talk:Blobby383b|talk]]) 12:09, 2 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
::Great mention of the action surge/extra attack + AOE damage. I already wanted to remove those from the class entirely when I began working on my variant of this, and your comment helps ensure I don't forget to do it. [[User:BigShotFancyMan|BigShotFancyMan]] ([[User talk:BigShotFancyMan|talk]]) 12:36, 2 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
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Yeah, attacking 3+ times a turn is wayyyyyy too good and I agree they should be removed if not heavily altered. Also just wanted to point out that I messed up when I calculated my initial AOE in my I game incident. I hit 313 5ft squares meaning a theoretical max damage of 3130. Thats more DBZ than D&D--[[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|TheFuzzyGoblinWizard]] ([[User:TheFuzzyGoblinWizard|talk]]) 12:58, 2 August 2018 (MDT)<br />
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So what is the point of rolling to attack? Why would you want advantage? So far I've been playing it so that if I want to "stick" the card to a specific target I roll against their AC but other than that I don't really get it. Also, Do you save with Dex or Con? Does detect magic find anything about the cards? Do they not work in an anti-magic field? How does the actual attack work? I've been playing it as Drawing and throwing is an action and I can charge the card as a bonus action so it goes off that turn, otherwise it blows on my next. I guess I'm confused because it says drawing is an action. Could someone please edit this to explain these things in a way that is balanced for the game? [[User:Daedalus|Daedalus]] ([[User talk:Daedalus|talk]]) 03:47, 3 October 2018 (PST)</div>Daedalushttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Daedalus&diff=1090537User talk:Daedalus2018-10-03T10:44:12Z<p>Daedalus: Created page with "==Questions== Feel free to talk to me about anything in here."</p>
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I used to be a competitive Starcraft II player and my college's team made the top 8 continental, but that life seems to be behind me now. <br><br />
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==About me==<br />
I only recently started playing D&D. I found out that the college I attend has a club and decided to try it in my second semester. It's been almost a year since then and we're still running the same great campaign. <br><br />
I used to be a competitive Starcraft II player and my college's team made the top 8 continental, but that life seems to be behind me now. <br><br />
This is the first wiki I have ever contributed to, so please be patient with me. I'm not great at formatting but I have a wealth of experienced players to draw upon for advice. <br> <br />
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====Currently Playing====<br />
Playing just one homebrew character in an excellent homebrew campaign <br><br />
Kelsier: [[Card Slinger (5e Class)]] Charlatan, trying to balance the class</div>Daedalus