https://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Bard+Jon&feedformat=atomD&D Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T01:12:05ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.8https://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bard_Jon&diff=372906User talk:Bard Jon2009-07-02T04:54:16Z<p>Bard Jon: /* Welcome to D&D Wiki! */</p>
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<div></div>Bard Jonhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Bard_Jon&diff=372905User:Bard Jon2009-07-02T04:54:07Z<p>Bard Jon: New page: Hello all. I'm a player, a carefree bard, and a DM, a ruthless slaughterer of parties. I have rescued orphnages, only to set them on fire, and watch the PCs try to set it out, never real...</p>
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<div>Hello all. <br />
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I'm a player, a carefree bard, and a DM, a ruthless slaughterer of parties. I have rescued orphnages, only to set them on fire, and watch the PCs try to set it out, never realizing the orphans have already been saved, and die due to beard loss via fire. (Play a lot of dwarves, my players do.)<br />
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I came to D&D Wiki searching for 3.5 supplements, (since the powers that be have decided not to bother with them anymore,) and instead found an interesting place, rife with ideas. So, I have nestled myself here, and hope to enjoy what comes.<br />
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--[[User:Bard Jon|Bard Jon]] 22:54, 1 July 2009 (MDT)</div>Bard Jonhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Higardi_(3.5e_Race)&diff=372904Talk:Higardi (3.5e Race)2009-07-02T04:48:44Z<p>Bard Jon: /* Genders */</p>
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<div>==Level Adjustment==<br />
+8 stat mods for meant calls for at least a +2 level adjustment. The +4 for the women is at least a +1. If the women are descended from nymphs, wouldn't it make more sense for them to to speak Fae than Abyssal? --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:08, 27 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:Good point. I'll add fey as an extra language. And technically, it is called Sylvan. [[User:Noname|Noname]] 12:45, 28 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Genders ==<br />
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I do not see how the male and female version of this race are balanced compared to one another. Also, this race gives +6 to one's ability scores at LA 0. That is not balanced. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:57, 28 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:It was a bad idea on my part. I think that this might be one of those ideas of mine which is destined for the trash heap. --[[User:Noname|Noname]] 10:35, 28 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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-Actually, if I may be so bold, the idea is very good, as per the entire gender line. The only points I saw, (besides the lack of ability score balance(Perhaps a +2 Cha/Dex to both genders, and while the females take a -2 to Con, men would be more likely to take a penalty to Int/Wis...? (I do see the balancing problem there, via the divine source...)) is the lack of societal cohesiveness. <br />
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A race of male dwarves and female elves (To simplify the base attitude difference) is rife with interesting adventure ideas. (Civil war, etc.) However, the rift is perhaps, over-exaggerated, as the females, if they really were as anti-societal as they are displayed, would rebel long ago, and turn into Amazons, and died off long before any PCs found them. Perhaps the males are arrogant jerks, who dominate the women to the point of slavery. (This would make the men more lawful neutral/evil, while the women would definately shift toward true-neutral(uncaring)/chaotic-neutral/good(rebellious).<br />
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Again, these is all pure speculation, I just thought perhaps you could use some encouragement, and I felt my two cents might be helpful. Your setting is, through and through, very well thought out, and I hope to see more of it.--[[User:Bard Jon|Bard Jon]] 9:48, 01 June 2009 (MDT)</div>Bard Jonhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Higardi_(3.5e_Race)&diff=372902Talk:Higardi (3.5e Race)2009-07-02T04:47:51Z<p>Bard Jon: /* Genders */</p>
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<div>==Level Adjustment==<br />
+8 stat mods for meant calls for at least a +2 level adjustment. The +4 for the women is at least a +1. If the women are descended from nymphs, wouldn't it make more sense for them to to speak Fae than Abyssal? --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:08, 27 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:Good point. I'll add fey as an extra language. And technically, it is called Sylvan. [[User:Noname|Noname]] 12:45, 28 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Genders ==<br />
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I do not see how the male and female version of this race are balanced compared to one another. Also, this race gives +6 to one's ability scores at LA 0. That is not balanced. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:57, 28 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:It was a bad idea on my part. I think that this might be one of those ideas of mine which is destined for the trash heap. --[[User:Noname|Noname]] 10:35, 28 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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-Actually, if I may be so bold, the idea is very good, as per the entire gender line. The only points I saw, (besides the lack of ability score balance(Perhaps a +2 Cha/Dex to both genders, and while the females take a -2 to Con, men would be more likely to take a penalty to Int/Wis...? (I do see the balancing problem there, via the divine source...)) is the lack of societal cohesiveness. <br />
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A race of male dwarves and female elves (To simplify the base attitude difference) is rife with interesting adventure ideas. (Civil war, etc.) However, the rift is perhaps, over-exaggerated, as the females, if they really were as anti-societal as they are displayed, would rebel long ago, and turn into Amazons, and died off long before any PCs found them. Perhaps the males are arrogant jerks, who dominate the women to the point of slavery. (This would make the men more lawful neutral/evil, while the women would definately shift toward true-neutral(uncaring)/chaotic-neutral/good(rebellious).<br />
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Again, these is all pure speculation, I just thought perhaps you could use some encouragement, and I felt my two cents might be helpful. Your setting is, through and through, very well thought out, and I hope to see more of it.--[[User:Bard Jon|Bard Jon]]</div>Bard Jonhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=368024User talk:Green Dragon2009-06-13T01:43:36Z<p>Bard Jon: </p>
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== Elf Variant Picture ==<br />
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In response to your question about the picture- I think it is under the free use clause (rather than the GNU FDL). Do I need to add the copyright disclaimer? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 09:33, 20 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I don't seem to be able to log on to the tavern... It seems broken- it is not showing any of the text... --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:28, 20 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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::I've added copyright disclaimer to the article. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:30, 20 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::Clıck the "tavern" optıon at the top and ıt should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:34, 20 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::There is no "tavern" option at the top, nor a "status" option... --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:42, 20 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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Hey Green. I know with your vacation and such things must be hectic, which may explain the lack of the end of the year fundraiser. I was just wondering if we would be having one anytime soon. Love to help if possible. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:30, 24 February 2009 (MST)<br />
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:How are the servers treating everyone? If it's fine then I do not think we need a fundraiser. Although probably at the end of this year they'll be one anyway, maybe for a new switch or somesuch, because the current one is not that good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 13 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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How do you end a class table? I seem to have a lot of trouble with this. {{Unsigned|Sevalex|20:30, 2 March 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:I saw this and thought I'd answer for him. Ending a table is done by starting a final new line and typing <nowiki>|}</nowiki>. This closes the table template that should have been started on the first line with <nowiki>{| class="d20"</nowiki>. Should you have any more questions, I suggest you use the designated areas for this, namely the [[DnD Discussion|Discussion]] or [[Special:Tavern|Tavern]] pages. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 21:23, 2 March 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Soulbinder Picture ==<br />
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I think I found a good picture for the soulbinder and wanted your opinion, ive asked permision to put it on the wii and am waiting to here back from the artist, let me know what you think,[http://s91.photobucket.com/albums/k311/redfiredragon_2006/anime/?action=view&current=firedancer.jpg] [[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 12:52, 4 March 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Looks to me like it should work for the Soulbinder. Although maybe you could add that one to the variant and the old one back to the standard (since you will need a picture for that on in any case). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 13 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities ==<br />
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I've been being a poor bastard, making my characters assuming that all of the information here is correct, and so far, all that I've seen is correct. But I wanted to make a Cleric... And I can't seem to find a definitive list of non-homebrew deities, which seems to be a bad thing for people looking for information on Clerics.. Any chance you could help out in that regard?<br />
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:The core D&D deities you see in the Player's Handbook (as well as any from any campaign setting) are not Open Game Content. Basically put, we aren't allowed to post them online. While not specific to your question the [[Discussion:Why isn't every Prestige Class on the Wiki?]] discussion touches a lot on Open Game Content. Hope that helps. --[[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] 22:18, 4 March 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Tavern Help ==<br />
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hi I'm centaurpwn3 and I have no idea how to yous the tavern chat--[[User:Centaurpwn3|Centaurpwn3]] 18:04, 12 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Once you press the tavern link (on the side) it should allow you to type text into the bottom box (after the page loads). This may not work depending on which browser you are using. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 04:22, 13 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, I know this might sound dumb, but how does one put a prestige class in and have it come out in the standard format? I have a few ready to go (including my username's namesake), and just need it to come out right. Does it format automatically when you put your data in the right spots, or do you have to type in code for spacing and alignment? {{unsigned|Mythos Specialist|19:38, 13 March 2009}}<br />
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:You have the template on the page, just replace where it says "<-helpful hint (can be anything)->" for example: "<-Some quote from a character of this class->" With what you want to be there. You can do ''Italics'', '''Bold''' and [[User talk:Green Dragon|Linking]] (<nowiki>''Italics'', '''Bold''' and [[User talk:Green Dragon|Linking]]</nowiki>). Also, please remember to sign your posts, thanks. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 04:19, 13 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== If you're still around... ==<br />
Would you mind just popping into the Tavern for a second? Thanks. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:56, 13 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== I don't know how to use the tavern ==<br />
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I don't know how to use the tavern --[[User:Centaurpwn3|Centaurpwn3]] 17:08, 14 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I figured it's finally time to move the rest of the DnD namespace to the 3.5e namespace and update the page contents appropriately. I figure I'll just make a bot do this. This cool with you? Also, I'll need an admin or something to update the homebrew pages so they make new content in the DnD namespace instead of the 3.5e namespace. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:36, 14 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh wow, that would be awesome. As soon as you have a bot ready let me know, post the code here, and then I will give you admin privileges while you run it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:43, 14 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually I figured I was just going to do it in Python and not even need admin privileges for most tasks, but I'll look up doing it in PHP instead -- it's probably a lot more direct and less straining on the Wiki. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:45, 14 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. If you need admin privileges (for something like when changing all the page links to the most modern location and then deleting the old page) post the code and let me know please. If you do not need admin privileges then no need, of course. Also, to get some nice lists to use with the bot I would recommend you play around with the dpl in the sandbox. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:33, 15 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Interwiki Linking ==<br />
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I was wondering if there is a way for us to link between the main wiki and the mediawiki without using the full url link. Much like we can link to wikipedia by using the '''w:''' in our link ''(example: [[w:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons article on wikipedia]]. Any way this can be set up if it doesn't work yet? Maybe where a '''m:''' or '''mw:''' link would work? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 12:28, 15 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Yeah, which sections did you have in mind? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:43, 22 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Load times on DPL/semantic wiki pages are very, very bad ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[User talk:Blue Dragon#Load times on DPL/semantic wiki pages are very, very bad]]''<br />
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one of the reasons I,m a dungeon master is becaus nymphs are hot<br />
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== Editing ==<br />
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I have a question about editing. How exactly do I edit one of the character class lists? If I want to say, i.e., someone is combat focused and a good character description?<br />
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== Tome Categories Again ==<br />
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I saw you started deleting Category:Tome and replacing it with stuff like Category:Tome of Fiends. Can we keep Category:Tome on the stuff and just add Category:Tome of Fiends? I'd like all the related material to be collected under one category. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 13:58, 25 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Hiya, Gotta question about warforged; ==<br />
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Where can I find warforged feats on this server? I'm thinking about playing an Autoplate Pilot, but I can't seem to find more than one or two warforged feats for it... ~[[User: Edward|Ed]] 13:31 (MST), 25 March 2009<br />
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== Bot Test ==<br />
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I'm going to be running some simple bot tests over some stuff in my User namespace. I might need to move it out into the general namespace, it'll only be "testfeat1" and "testfeat2" though. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 11:57, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:That would be fine. Let me know when you are done with them and I will delete them (if you want). Also, templated feats do not need the "div class" (or the end div at the bottom) and I ''think'' the extra line between [[Template:3.5e Feat]] and [[Template:Author]] shows up as a double break (not positive though). Also you are only putting the top tier prerequisite feat into the prerequisite parameter, or? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:36, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::The bot right now is only moving the (DnD X) stuff to (3.5e X) stuff and updating the links, so I'm not worrying about any of that. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 12:48, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh, okay. Sorry, I did not know what the bot was going to do and then I saw those pages and decided to give some formatting input. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:51, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::More on bots: what do we want done in the transition from DnD to 3.5e? Do we eventually want to delete Category:DnD or not? Also, I'll need admin privs so I can delete all the redirects the moves create. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14:22, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::One more thing -- does this account need special privileges, or do some special settings need to be set, in order to use api.php's move/delete functions? Because my bot is strangely failing when it tries to move stuff. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:02, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Editing also failed -- is this stuff turned on? I don't think the problem is with my code. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:10, 26 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Admin privileges are needed for deleting pages. Moving can be done by any user. And have you tried WWW:Mechanize for your bot? I am not sure which language you are using, however I know that WWW:Mechanize will work with MW. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:08, 30 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::All editing via api.php is currently turned off (see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php the page itself -- it only supports queries atm]) -- it's not necessarily that it can't be done by normal users, it's that it can't be done using api.php with the current site settings. I am using Perl but not WWW::Mechanize, I'm using MediaWiki::API. That has the serious ease-of-use benefit that the api.php output (unlike the normal mediawiki output) doesn't go through any sort of html rendering, and no sort of rendering needs to be done to feed it back in. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 11:11, 30 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Do the results show up on Recent Changes? If I remember right I was under the impression they do not show up on Recent Changes. If so then I asked [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] to disable it. If not then something is probably wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:15, 30 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::They don't show up on Recent Changes, but that's because the edits don't actually go through. Dandwiki itself returns an error when you attempt anything with "query=edit". Is it possible to turn on editing-via-API, but only for administrators? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 11:18, 30 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Another relevant question: do we want to remove Category:DnD and replace it with Category:3.5e? I can make my bot do that as well. Next time you come around to answer these, can you show up in the tavern? We can talk more about it there. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 13:59, 30 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Does it work now as an admin? Also, [[:Category:DnD]] should be present for all D&D creations (3.5e and 4e). The 3.5e needs [[:Category:DnD]] and [[:Category:3.5e]]. On the flip side the 4e items need [[:Category:DnD]] and [[:Category:4e]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:53, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::No, it appears that Blue hasn't enabled it yet. I'd love to use WWW::Mechanize, but it doesn't seem to work on Windows. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 12:31, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:Ubuntu? I don't know if you have tried it earlier and not liked it - but it has matured a lot and is quite nice now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:16, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I know Unix-based systems and have used them for many years. The problem is that I can't use them on this specific computer because my video card BIOS is buggy. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14:32, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::You could just run it without utilizing your video card, but no matter. Do you have [http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.825/lib/LWP.pm] present with your perl configuration? That could be the problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:41, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I can't actually, because I don't have onboard video or any of that (and I'd like to be able to see my monitor ''':P'''). I have all the dependencies for WWW::Mechanize installed, the problem is that it hangs when it runs the cookie tests in Windows. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14:55, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::What the hell, how does windows work on your machine then? And is [http://code.google.com/p/www-mechanize/issues/detail?id=86 this] comparable to your problem? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::My video card (Radeon HD4850) has a pretty notorious bug where the fan doesn't go up to its proper speed. As a result, the card starts overheating if it's left at default. There is a Windows program that lets you change the fan speed manually; ATI's drivers for Linux are supposed to have this feature as well, but it is broken. And actually, that is my exact problem. Awesome. (But I'd still like blue to enable the write api for admins if possible ''':P''' but I'll try writing a bot with WWW::Mechanize when I get some time instead). MediaWiki::Bot doesn't support the moving of pages (though it does support the deletion), I'll see if I can hack it in. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:10, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Well, damn, MediaWiki::Bot uses the API as well. Writing a parser for the html output of MediaWiki is going to take me ages, provided the write API stays disabled. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:19, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::If you want support with write api you should ask Blue Dragon; maybe he'll add it in. Although do you know if the edits through write api show up on Recent Changes? I'm under the impression (I could be quite wrong) that they do not, and that's why I am fine with it being disabled. And sorry that I cannot help you with your Linux problem. -[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:23, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I did ask, I just haven't seen him on since I asked (which was a bit over a week ago I think). Also, the edits will show up if you click "Show bot edits", and I think there's a way to flag them as non-bot edits. (And there's definitely a way to enable it for administrators only.) [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 15:25, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Plural? ==<br />
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Why did you make the Races of War breadcrumb plural, as in Races of Wars? There's only one other breadcrumb that I can actually see (Tome of Fiends), and I named the breadcrumbs "Tome of Fiends" and "Races of War" because that's what the books are actually called. "Tome of Necromancy" isn't "Tome of Necromancies" and "Dungeonomicon" isn't "Dungeonomicons". Where is the plural actually used aside from Tome of Fiends? I don't see it in Arachnomicon (the only other sourcebook on the site) either. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 11:43, 1 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[Template:3.5e Creatures Breadcrumb]], [[Template:3.5e Races Breadcrumb]], [[Template:3.5e Quests Breadcrumb]], etc etc. All breadcrumbs are plural since they work for all the creatures, races, classes, etc, and not just that page in particular (or if they are not they should be since it makes sense grammatically). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:45, 1 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I think there might be confusion here -- why don't you step into the tavern so it can be resolved more quickly. Are you going to make the Arachnomicon breadcrumb into "Main Page → Arachonomicons; the Book of Spiderkind" or "Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkinds" too? Because that really doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 11:49, 1 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I do not think that Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind uses a breadcrumb (although it should). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:53, 1 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Site ==<br />
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What do you make of [http://www.obsidianportal.com/?gclid=CI-IztuW05kCFQENDQodOnOjsg this]? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:51, 2 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:It looks like it has a lot of information, but personally I find it a little hard to navigate (with the large transcluded entries and all). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:58, 4 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Forms vs. Preloaders ==<br />
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Which is/should be standard? I prefer preloaders, since they grant me freedom of editing, as some other experienced editors do, but I understand forms are prefered for newer users. I ask because I'd like to coalesce the Add new pages to be less bulky/confusing/mismatched. On a related note, is there any chance I could get the code from the [[Special:AddPage]] page? I'd love to make some more of those dropdowns for the other add new pages. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 17:12, 2 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I responded on [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Add A New Page]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:55, 4 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Warrior Nun Rating ==<br />
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Green Dragon, the rating from the Warrior Nun class was removed. The edit note says it was changed drastically. What particular changes caused the rating pull? --[[User:Gedren56|Gedren56]] 08:26, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Your right. I added the rating back on. I must have looked one edit to much on the diff (to the edit where you changed the spells/day). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Artificer Feats to Reduce Costs ==<br />
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I arrived here after following the link from [[Spontaneous Artificer (DnD Optimized Character Build)]]<br />
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I am having a debate with my teenage son who, now that he found the errata that Exceptional Artisan, et al from the Ebberon book cannot be stacked with itself, is still trying to break the class by taking the Magical Artisan feat, applied to the Ebberon feats, to again, make item creation 100% free, this time using only 6 feats total instead of the 12 from the original link. <br />
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I have attempted to tell him that Magical Artisan must apply to a feat that actually enables the character to create items, such as Brew Potion, but he insists that Magical Artisan ONLY states that it must apply to an Item Creation Feat, which is how Exceptional Artisan is labeled. <br />
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Can you point me to any reference that prohibits the use of Magical Artisan on the Ebberon feats that likewise reduce costs? {{Unsigned|75.161.237.246|13:59, 8 April 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:[[Talk:Spontaneous Artificer (DnD Optimized Character Build)#Legality]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Bots ==<br />
We wouldn't happen to have a resident bot building specialist would we? It is one thing I just have no idea how to do, and itd be nice to have some for some of the more tedious tasks - such as keeping up with double redirects and proper name spaces and such. If not or until we can get one I'll keep trying to check on the dbl redirects. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:36, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You're looking for me. I can't do much until the write API is enabled though. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 16:38, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting Base Classes ==<br />
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What are the guidelines for deleting base classes? Is putting the [[Ultimate Barbarian (DnD Class)]] up for deletion appropriate, because of it's format? What about classes that have only sectional stubs that have been there for a while? Classes that are hopelessly weak? Etc. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 18:49, 9 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Currently no policy stands as to when it is okay to delete a base class and when it is not okay to delete them. What are your thoughts on this: When a base class ''would'' be rated a 0/5 in one of the four areas then it is okay to nominate it for deletion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:28, 10 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::[[Discussion:Should we really be deleting all these classes?]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 06:28, 11 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== AdminBadge ==<br />
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I'd like to label you as an admin with the [[Template:AdminBadge]] on your user page. If you have a reason you don't think you should have the badge or you don't think the badge is a good idea, please discuss it on the badge's [[Template talk:AdminBadge|discussion]]. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 16:06, 11 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Sorting within categories for SRD pages ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
All of the pages (all the ones that I've seen, at any rate) in the SRD namespace have been placed into multiple categories without proper sorting parameters. If you look at (for example), [[:Category:Chromatic Dragon]], you will see that all of the entries are listed under 'S' (because they start with 'SRD') rather than the appropriate page name - if somebody is looking for the [[SRD:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] page in that category, it would make sense to look under 'G' rather than S. On that particular category page it is less of a problem, as there are only six entries, but in categories with thousands of entries ([[:Category:Creature]], for example) it can become a serious problem, and in [[:Category:SRD]], almost every single page is under the same letter.. This can be solved by adding the base page name of each page in the SRD namespace as the sorting parameter for each category it is in. This wiki supports the <nowiki>{{BASEPAGENAME}}</nowiki> magic word, so one can simply add <nowiki>'|{{subst:BASEPAGENAME}}'</nowiki> within all the category links, which would make scripting/botting the task a little easier if you are that way inclined. --[[User:Superiority|Superiority]] 04:56, 18 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I can look into that. That's been on my "list of things to do that I haven't figured out yet." I find your example a bit vague. If you can give me an example of how to correct one page, I can replicate that fairly easy.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 10:11, 18 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Attention Getter ==<br />
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Is there any way to completly, beyond all doubt, tell people someting? Like a flashing red alert button?--[[User:Morlock Night|Morlock Night]] 22:02, 22 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Tell people what? [[Template:Adult Theme]] seems pretty flashy; if that is what you are looking for. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 07:16, 1 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== D&D Question ==<br />
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My DM has given me a sword made of black meteoric Iron, does only touch attacks, and is part of a three piece relic set. Do you have any Idea what this is? He will not tell me, all he says is "Star Sword". If you don't want to give the name, just give me the book it's in. {{Unsigned|Sojourner|20:16, 25 April 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:Sorry, I do not know either. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 07:15, 1 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Sounds like something from [http://www.giantitp.com Order of the Stick]. Specifically, Roy's sword. See also: [http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Starmetal http://oots.wikia.com/wiki/Starmetal]. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:21, 5 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Balance ==<br />
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The following Article is unbalanced and the author both refuses to balance it, or to accept aid from another in doing so. As such I believe it should have the "Design Disclaimer" template added to it, but as the author has so far removed the "Needs Balance" template twice, I think it would be better if you applied the Disclaimer to it yourself. This way it shows an agreement that the article is unbalanced. Please give it a look and if you agree, please add the template. Here is a link to the article: [[Keldren (4e Race)|Keldren (4e Race)]] -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 06:03, 2 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Thank you [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 9 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Where can i find...? ==<br />
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Hey GD. I was wondering if there was a place here at D&DWiki that's like a idea page. Some users (like me) are too stupid to create there own stuff on this website but still want other people to know about it (so they can create it instead). Is there a place where we can do that? If not, then it might be a good idea to make one. -[[User:Tyraxor|Tyraxor]], 10:09, 5/2/09.<br />
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:I would take a look at [[:Category:Stub]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 5 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== A Thousand Apologies ==<br />
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I've never "edited" a Wiki page before. I thought everything was being sent to you as a suggestion, and after I submitted my suggestions, I noticed the actual page changed. I want to apologize personally. I may have the original chirurgeon saved to my computer when my players first found and downloaded it, and I can fix everything as soon as I locate it. Again, I apologize profusely, and I suppose I've learned my lesson. I won't be clicking "edit" any more, since it actually changes the page instead of makes suggestions.<br />
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That said, is there a way to send suggestions to users about an entry in Wiki? {{Unsigned|76.187.167.233|14:49, 5 May 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:That's what the talk page is for -- click on the tab that says "Discussion" instead of the one that says edit. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 14:50, 5 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Also, we can revert any changes to a page because wikis store the entire history of the page (each edit). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:22, 5 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Hello, thank you and questions! ==<br />
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Hi there,<br />
Many thanks for your welcome and good wishes. whilst I may not be a total dead loss between the ears I am still learning slowly how to set out my formats and pages and wanted to ask you about a few things please...<br />
# How can I delete a page once it is made? There is a page referencing "Tekman", the forerunner of my deity Teknos, which I need to have removed please.<br />
# Can you please send me [if you have time] any constructive criticism about the pages I have completed thus far - ARE they complete? Do I need to do much more to them or are they functional for the time being? How could they be improved? And so on<br />
# Am I out of order for adding materials in this way? Have I broken some form of etiquette of which I am otherwise unaware? Please let me know - for example, is it OK top be asking you so many questions?<br />
Thanks for your time. [[User:Rorschach Moondark|Rorschach Moondark]] 09:29, 8 May 2009 (MDT) <br />
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:Learning wiki-syntax should not be too difficult, and once one gets proficient things start looking better and things start fitting better to our preload standards. But anyways...<br />
:# To delete a page please refer to [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]].<br />
:# Sorry... I really do not have the time to take a look at the content you have submitted right now. If you want some critique you may want to ask on the talk page for people's opinions.<br />
:# And I am not sure how you have been adding material, but if you are following the preload and the naming conventions rules it should be alright.<br />
:Hope this helps a bit. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:32, 9 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Racial Champion ==<br />
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where is this feat. books, site, i cant find it anywhere. what does it do? {{Unsigned|Masterkycoo|01:48, 9 May 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:I'm not sure off the top of my head and I do not want to spend the time to look, sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:27, 9 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Campaign Setting Chat ==<br />
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Hi I'm not completley new but I've really been enjoying dand wiki. but i thought of an idea for your site, maybe you could set up a chat other then the tavern specifically for dnd campaigns and maybe you could have a few people start some campaigns for 3.5 or 4e or both its just an idea so i wont be offended if nothing happens but please think about it as i think it would be very interesting. [[User:Apfa10|Apfa10]] 23:55, 9 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You would have to ask [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] to be certain however if one can create a sub-group chat then it should work. Comparable to how one creates a personal non-logged chat with another member. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:19, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Membership ==<br />
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Can you remove myself and all my contributions off this wiki ASAP? I've had it with the regulars... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos Specialist]] 19:48, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Please sign your posts! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 17:29, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I'll stay, but I'll just have to keep my temper in check. I've been having a bad couple weeks, and I apologize. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos Specialist]] 20:12, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Sorry if you feel like you're picked on, or you can't handle some of the stuff being said in irc. If you feel like you are being attacked the best course of action is non-action! Hope you feel better and continue to post on the wiki! -- [[User:Sleaker|Sleaker]] 21:06, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I would recommend that you just don't log into the tavern. It can have negative effects sometimes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:25, 11 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Storm Elf5's come back? ==<br />
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Hey green dragon! Its been a while since I last visited, I had some computer issues. Anyway, I was wondering, what happened to my homebrew deity with the name of Grininthar or something like that. BTW, the site is great. [[User:Storm Elf5|Storm Elf5]] 16:56, 10 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You have to remember the name correctly. <s>Gririnthar (DnD Deity)</s>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:21, 11 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Or now that you moved the page; [[Grininthar (DnD Deity)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:27, 12 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Magical Armors ==<br />
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Hey, not really familiar with the whole wiki/HTML things, but I tried to fix it up a little bit to match the armors. I apologize if it's not correct. If it is fine just a quick 'you're good' would be great and I'll finish editing all the ones that I can. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:01, 12 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Yes, [[3.5e Magical Armors]] is formatted correctly, if that is what you are wondering. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:25, 12 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Oop, I actually meant to say the [[3.5e Magical Weapons|magical weapons]], which was incorrect as per your statement, and the one which I was trying to fix; my apologies for the miscommunication. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:20, 12 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== I think I have balanced Storm Elves ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon!<br />
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I have done some work balancing my 4e race, [[Storm Elves (4e Race)|Storm Elves]] and I was wondering you or another admin could remove the ''Needs Balance'' template if you think it dosen't need any more balancing. There is also another template at the top of the page (''Stub'' I think) and I wanted to know how to begin to remove it.<br />
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== Newbie Having A Small Problem ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon, I'm new to D&D Wiki and I have a small question that needs a little explaining. I wanted to submit a new Base Class to get feedback on it, so I followed the procedure your site had set up to make classes. I was about halfway done with fully creating the class when I saved the page and went to sleep. Unfortunately, when I wanted to continue from where I left off, I couldn't find the saved page. Where would I be able to find the page so that I can continue from where I left off? The Base Class was supposed to be made for 3.5e Homebrew and was entitled "The Ethereal Hunter". Really appreciate the help because I spent a good deal of time trying to learn and understand how to make a class here. [[User:Narrssuras Stalking Leopard|Omen]] 06:49, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Not Green Dragon, but are you sure you saved the class? No "Ethereal Hunter" comes up via search function and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Narrssuras+Stalking+Leopard&namespace=&year=&month=-1 your edit history] shows nothing by that name either. If you did it while you weren't logged in that could explain why it doesn't appear on your user contributions, but other than that I think perhaps something malfunctioned when you went to save the page. Hope that helps a little, even if it isn't what you wanted to hear. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 09:22, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Within the last 30 days there hasn't been an 'Ethereal Hunter' saved by anyone. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 09:24, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Thanks for the response anyway. Luckily, I learned that if you are going to fill something out that can span over several page, it is good to make a copy, so I did. Almost done with the Ethereal Hunter now. [[User:Narrssuras Stalking Leopard|Omen]] 09:28, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Ok, I've got everything done with my new class and everything is up for it. The only problems I'm having now are actually understanding what I'm doing wrong for my class to adhere to the rules. Some assistance would be helpful, here is the class [[Ethereal Hunter (DnD Class)]]. Thanks in advance, [[User:Narrssuras Stalking Leopard|Omen]] 19:20, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Refer to the class' talk page for this discussion. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 19:24, 15 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Will do, and thanks. [[User:Narrssuras Stalking Leopard|Omen]] 03:26, 16 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Axefighter ==<br />
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I created a class in the beginning of August of 2008. I recently checked on it and it has disappeared. Its disappeared off of the classes page and off my contributions page. I would just like to know what happened and if it is possible to bring it back to the class list. Because I never wrote the class down anywhere else I don't know how to make an Axefighter.<br />
--[[User:Mightycolin|Mightycolin]] 05:40, 16 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:It got deleted I believe. Not trying to be rude, however poorly made classes get deleted. If you would like it reverted you can ask on [[Talk:Axefighter (DnD Class)]]. [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mightycolin]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:41, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Had a similar problem before as well...to all those that read this here's some valuable advice for you...Back up your files or edits, even if it is temporary, just copy and paste the entire edit into a Word or Notepad document before saving the page. It will prevent any frustration with regards to loosing material (Trust me, I would have had to completely rewrite a class I made on this site if I hadn't backed it up in a word document.) Fellow Aspiring Creator [[User:Narrssuras Stalking Leopard|Omen]] 08:58, 4 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== help ==<br />
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i posted a race and it is not showing up {{unsigned|Ewokdruid}}<br />
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:The problem was with the footer. I have since fixed it and it should show up now in the LA Variable listings. Also, perhaps you should check out the [[DnD Race Editing Instructions]] (it explains why your race didn't show up). --[[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] 10:53, 16 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Abbreviations ==<br />
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[[List of Book Abbreviations (DnD Other)]]. Back on May 19th you made some revisions to my List of Abbreviations. You also left a comment, 'why only WOTC?'. I dont know where to find the proper abbreviations for non-WOTC, but ifyou know of places, I will add to the list. TY --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 22:42, 26 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:If they do not really exist then nevermind. Also, you want to consider adding the abbreviation to the book entry within the [[Publication List]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Class: Palibar ==<br />
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Hello i was wondering how do power points/day work? {{Unsigned|Alf|21:54, 27 May 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:I cannot find that class however for the [[SRD:Psychic Warrior#Power Points/Day]] it's like that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:19, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Map Builder ==<br />
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Hey thanks for the welcome. I don't think I need help on wiki formatting (I'm quite regularly doing some background cleanup on wikipedia, not to mention a software engineer), but thanks for the link anyway.<br />
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I did have a question, though, do you know a good way to make a world map using only free tools (small budget ><)? [[User:InaVegt|InaVegt]] 02:11, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You can use GIMP, it has a random map generator and with some basic editing you can end up with things like [this http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Image:FFRegionsMap.png]. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:36, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I want more control than Random, sorry. [[User:InaVegt|InaVegt]] 05:37, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::A good link to a map builder should be found [[DnD Links|here]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Nature Bound Class ==<br />
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Why did you set my class for deletion? It has only been on site for 2 days, whereas ive seen pages with only a template and no info typed in sit on site for months without a delete template. Don't get me wrong, I love the wiki, but that is just wrong.--[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 15:32, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I did not see those classes. If you have some spare time it would be quite appreciated if you add the appropriate templates to them. Classes should be added at least mostly finished (finished on a word processing program with the preload cut and pasted into it for example). Sorry if this sounds frank, but this issue has been brought up before and I just want to clear up why it is okay to add templates to newly added material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:49, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== why? ==<br />
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i(true warrior)have a question. why are you going to delete my race? please write back.<br />
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-true warrior<br />
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:Refer to the [[Talk:Vatireans (4e Race)|races talk page]]. Ask there what you can do to fix it. And please sign your posts using --~~ ~~ (without spaces). --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 20:25, 29 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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=== PLEEEEEEEEEASE!!! ===<br />
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DONT ERASE RACE! THER IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT!!!<br />
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=== why ===<br />
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why are you going to erase my race? what did i ever do to you?<br />
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How do you make class features?-asked by arshan272<br />
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== Harassment ==<br />
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After trtying to have a level headed discussion with [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]], about balance in 4e, he bacame rude and rather aggressive. His attitude and use of foul language has really put me off. I understand he may be overwhelmed by the sheer volume of material written concerning 4e design, but even after pointing him to the source he refuses to at least agree to disagree. Again given the volume of information, if you haven't been reading since day one it may be overwhelming. But if he dosen't have time to read it, doesn't mean he needs to vile. I will return to the wiki next week.But I must say if he remains I will not. I refuse to be spoken to like that. Thank you for your time. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 07:44, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There ''is'' a /ignore command in the Tavern if for some reason you can't get along or see eye-to-eye with another user. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 10:40, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Sepsis, if Dragon Child is being like that, don't bother with him. Some people just don't have good manners. I generally stay out of the Tavern as it is... But you can talk to me about it anytime. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos Specialist]] 12:29, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::This is totally unfair. Look at what I actually said. The crux of what I said was "If you want something to be called unbalanced because it can't be used in YOUR personal games, that's bullshit". Do you honestly think you can go around slapping an "unbalanced" tag on everything in the wiki that you don't like and have it be OK? The problem wasn't you "not pointing out the source". Indeed, you claimed Mike Mearls or whoever said something... and then provided no link, no cite. I was supposed to go find it myself. I don't even know if it actually exists. That's as good as not pointing anything out. And at no point did I actually disagree with you. I actually stated, large size in 4e may very well be overpowered. I didn't say otherwise, and even said as much. There's no agreeing to disagree when I don't actually disagree. All I was saying is, you really needed a stronger argument then "A designer, somewhere, said you shouldn't do that". That may be wrong, you may be mistaken, the designer himself may have had faulty logic. In short, it's not that I "didn't have the time" to read it, it's that I was never shown where it was, or given any reason to believe it actually exists. You didn't have the time to back up your arguments. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 17:08, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::No this has nothing to do with our discussion. This is all about your language and attitude. You are not on an "adult-only" site, and have no right to start swearing and arguing because the mood strikes you. I don't need that garbage on my screen with my kids around you are rude and immature and that is that, any arguments you could have made to support yourself is done, once I reached the "F-word" in your comment I stopped reading (in fact this will be the last time I even look at anything you say). Nothing you say will ever carry any wieght with me. If you have to resort to that, then you are too stupid to listen to. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 09:16, 1 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::: I would like to make a counter-point. Sepsis has constantly been closed-minded and disruptive towards Dragon Child at all points. His so-called "swearing" (an idea that I, myself, find absolutely preposterous. They're words, not knives) does nothing to hinder the fact he was simple stating some quite well thought out arguments against Sepsis' so-called "everything is broken that doesn't go with the design" philosophy (so called by me). Throughout the discussion on [[Talk:Giant (4e Race)]], Sepsis was uncooperative and he threw the insults; not Dragon Child. Dragon just said a word or two that are commonly overreacted against; so he suddenly became "ignorant", "rude" and a "moron". Frankly, I think Sepsis is harassing Dragon child; as to say he has broken the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia Civility Policy] (Personal attacks and aggressive behaviour). --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:30, 1 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I agree with TK. I'm not a fan of avoiding words arbitrarily assigned to be "vulgar" in public, and I certainly don't want to in a conversation between adults. If a child or guardian thereof doesn't want to see curse words, it is that person's responsibility to avoid them. The only time when it makes sense for the one swearing to avoid the one offended is when the offended cannot avoid the swearer; since Sepsis can easily keep his kids away from those conversations, it is (and no insensitivity meant here) not at all anyone else's problem. Two minutes of searching found me [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4351 this firefox add-on], which allows one to censor browsing when one's children use the computer. I'm sure there are many other such free utilities. I'm sure you can even find something that censors specific words rather than whole pages, if you want to go that mild. Point is, "fucking" was used for emphasis; that's not an insult or attack that could be taken as belligerent. "Bullshit" was used to mean "something that makes no sense"; it's more concise and means the exact same thing. There's no need for Dragon_Child to be punished or even given a warning. He did nothing wrong. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 15:35, 1 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Just want to make a point on my way out. It is a complete shame that someone can begin by using "Gross profanity or indecent suggestions directed at another contributor" but not be considered in violation but my non-profane and justifiably angry response is considered harassment. Read the conversation, he started the yelling, and when I wouldn't do as he asked he begins swearing. Obviously this is not the place for me, consider the case closed, as I will depart to more civil pastures. Good day. Oh and in case you didn't notice, I did apologize for my comments as I realized they were inappropriate and misplaced. But now I see all that matters is who you actually suck up to. Then the rules of conduct mean nothing...go and get a program to filter non-adult sites (sheesh), how about we stick to the rules and take quick action against such sick behavior. But hey its your world, do as you will. A bid all a fine farewell. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 06:23, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I wasn't even a part of all of this and I can't help but think you're being completely ridiculous. Swearing is suddenly adult now? I suppose you haven't been on an elementary school playground for decades. Nevermind that elementary school children shouldn't even be accessing this site, as it's hosted in the United States and is subject to COPPA. I'm sorry (actually I'm not), but I refuse to censor myself just because someone under the age of 13 ''might'' see my words. I don't care, and I don't think anyone else does either. And if that person ''does'' care, they can use a Firefox add-on to filter it out. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 10:27, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I sorry, but, I must simply add my own two cents to this discussion. Sepsis, you claim that you are leaving the website to protect your children, while you are the one that is acting like a child. A person upset you, so you're going to run away? Honestly, this may seem a little cruel, but I can say that I hope you do leave, since, if you can't be mature and look past the pieces you don't like, you don't deserve to even be an admin. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 10:50, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wow im surprised how rediculous everyone else is being, I mean come on just cause kids are swearing does not make it appropriate, if you swear even if it is not meant as an insult or direct attack, people can still take offense, the people refusing to clean up theiur language are the childish ones here, not everyone likes or can stand reading swearing, and as a general curtosey you should keep your language as clean as possible, or is that not how it works nowadays? Just because yobbish kids and those a lesser abbility to communicate other then through cosntant swearing do it, does not mean that it is acceptable for a community based site. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 11:01, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Hey, guess what. I'm NOT "refusing to clean up my language". Rith asked me, personally, to be nicer and swear less. I agreed. That's not "refusing", by any sense of the word. Nor do I have a "lesser ability to communicate", indeed, I was able to make clear all of my points in the discussion, while other people refused to back up even the smallest claims, and got angry and abusive because, god forbid, someone asked them for a cite. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 11:17, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Ok, I donn't want to drag balance and what not into this conversation thats for the talk apge of the article. When did I target the refusal at you Dragon Child? If you can communicate so well then why swear? Could have avoided this entire stupid situation. What other people refused to back up these claims? Do you mean Sepsis? Didn't he mention the Design & Devlopment articles? The point is Dragon Child, that being rude is unhelpful to a discussion as is swearing and yelling [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 11:25, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I apologize. I wrongly assumed the refusal was aimed at me. As for why... let me apologize ahead of time for this post, as I'll need to swear to be even slightly comprehensible here. Is there any word in the English language that conveys the same meaning and emotion as "bullshit" ? The fuck, sure, I should have left that out. But "Bullshit" - that word doesn't really have any true synonyms. Sepsis refused to back up his claims, yes. You can't make a cite of "It's somewhere there". If you can't provide a link, it may as well not exist. To call me an overwhelmed moron to go finding HIS cite for HIM was being rude and unhelpful. I, at the very least, expect people to have the same sort of intellectual integrity and honesty as you'd use to write a highschool paper or in a highschool debate team. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 11:29, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I believe the place where it was cited about the large size would be particualrly hard to find seeing as it was either in one of Mike Mearls Blog Posts or on the forum where mike mearl posted. Though I have read it I know I have. And yes to ask you to go find his cite is rude and unhelpful but that just falls into the region of pot meet kettle, two wrongs dont make a write blah blah. Hes left now. It's over. Let's go back to balancing that giant race :D [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 11:35, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::None of this discussion even matters at this point, considering that, once people have set their mind into a way of thinking, it'll take a massive effort to sway them (that happens to be a basic fact of psychology). Both sides of this arguement have already set their mind 'in stone', if you will, and the other side will not change them. The only part of this discussion that even matters now, is that Sepsis is leaving the wiki over something as simply as what words were used. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 11:44, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Sepsis leaving is a tad silly. But what can we do? Nothing thats what.[[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 11:53, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::What we can do is clear up this policy. I've made clear that I, personally, feel that it's the responsibility of the offended to avoid those more relaxed about it, not the other way around. After all, what if someone suddenly took offense to the inclusion of demons in the wiki? Since it's something which is part of our little subculture and not meant to offend, we'd tell them very kindly to freak off (and notice how ridiculous substitute words are).<br />
::::::I say we put it to a vote. There's really no other fair way to decide policy. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 13:36, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::The difference of course being swearing is not part of our subculture. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 14:01, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::True. Swearing is part of our culture, not our subculture. Most people swear in informal contexts. In any case, a vote would decide this. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 14:29, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::How would a vote solve anything? Just based on what has been presented we obviously won't reach a consensus, and how can anything but a consensus be considered fair? -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:45, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::If the admins say it's ok, then it's OK. If the admins say it's not, then it's not, and other people shouldn't try to force others into not doing so. How is forcing someone to not do something, even though it isn't against the rules, just because someone else is offended fair? [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 17:49, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::[[Meta Pages#Policies]]; swearing is a violation of our policies. For swearing above, however, no one is issued a warning since it was just a discussion about the swearing on [[Talk:Giant (4e Race)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:25, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You have to follow two links to even see that, and what the second link is isn't even at all obvious (indeed, I didn't even see the second link until it was pointed out to me), and then only works if you consider the word fuck "Gross-profanity". It also seems you might consider the word "bullshit" "gross profanity", as your claim that I don't need to be warned from this page. That seems... extremely harsh. You can hear "gross profanity" in R rated movies? There's no way that that rule can be reasonably interpreted to forbidding the word "bullshit", and I'd even argue that "fuck" is still not "gross profanity" when used as an emphasizer. The rule needs to be made clear. And, for what its worth, I much more easily found rules against not providing citations and personal attacks, which you didn't so quickly react to as you apparently did to what I said on this page... [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:41, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::And now, indeed. You've proven that you consider the word "fuck" to be a "gross profanity" (which took searching to even find it was against the rules), yet you don't consider these to be harassment (which is clearly against the rules), and I QUOTE: "you are being ignorant and rude", "I don't deal with morons", "If you don't have time to read (like I don't have time to teach you 4e design) use logic and listen to those who have read the material.", "your a complete and utter moron", "you have proven you aren't even close enough to being worthy of my (or anyones really) time.", "Wow that answers a lot, an ignorant rant boy", "your opinions really are completly worthless.". So... right. That doesn't seem fair. At all. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:44, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::[[w:Wikipedia:Civility#Engaging in incivility]]. However you are right, you both deserve a warning. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Yes, I pointed that page out, and noted that it's two clicks from the rule-thread, AND the fact that what it means isn't even clear, and there's no real reason to believe that sweearing is agaisnt the rules there according to the summary. What does "gross civility" even mean to you. I expressed confusion, and then... told I'm not allowed to do "gross incivility". Is this just going to be circular, where I'm told I'm just going to be warned whenever someone feels like, with no real rules to it? [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:50, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::That doesn't answer my question. I hoenstly don't believe I was "rude", at all. Indeed, according to what you just said here, you just warned me for <i>something that isn't even against the rules</i>, because you warned me for swearing, and according to you, "gross profanity" is defined as "rudeness, insults, and name-calling". [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:58, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate, and no equally suitable alternatives are available." - Wikipedia policies page. Hence, you could have used alternate words to make your point. It doesn't say you can't, but if you can use other words to make the same description then you should. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:23, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Except, Sabre, that's on neither of the two pages I was linked to. I asked for where in the rules it said that, and a clarification on what it means. I was not provided with it, and indeed, I was then immediately told that the rule I was warned under <i>never existed</i>. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 09:02, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Dragonchild, it doesn't matter what you believe, policy is policy, just sit down be quiet and go and contribute to the wiki, seriosuly your acting like your being fined by the police sheesh. The fact of that matter is you swore, you broke the policy. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 06:37, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Fine, swearing is against the rules. Am I no longer allowed to say the word "Damn" ? Should we now censor 71 different wiki pages? Hmm, no, that seems silly. Prehaps, just prehaps, as this rule doesn't actually appear anywhere, and indeed, Green Dragon just gave a similiar interpretation to me - <i>that this rule doesn't exist</i>, despite the fact that he claimed earlier it did - the rule should be clarified. Sure, I'll take the warning, whatever, but I want the rule clarified. Unclear rules only exist to allow the mods to warn and ban whoever they like, for whatever damn (whoops! is that warning #2?) reason they please, with no sense of justification. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 09:02, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wow, so instead of being queit you act like a saracastic and slightly arragont jerk. If your nto happy with hwo things are meant to work here, then dont come ehre simple as. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 09:10, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I am assuming Green Dragon will be reasonable and clarify the rule, which I will then follow. It is not being "sarcastic and arrogant" to point out what I did (indeed, if you see above, it is true). I don't see how I'm being a "jerk" - I'm asking for a rule clarification. Like I said, I fully expect Green Dragon will give one, seeing as he seems reasonable enough. If I were to take your suggestion, I'd throw a fit and leave in a huff every time a website has an unclear rule. That seems overly childish. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 09:14, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::No ionstead what you did was throw a fit and target moderators in general sayign that unclear rules jsut allow them to ban whoever they like. I'm actually a moderator of my own private forum, I assure you thats not how it works. And im sorry I was overeacting the jerk wbit was unescessarry. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 09:57, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I didn't "target" anyone. Well, ok, I targeted the mods on the WOTC boards and ENWorld boards, that purposely use unclear rules to keep the places "intellectually pure". I more meant it was a warning - I'm not being sarcastic, I'm not being passive agressive, <i>I honestly think Green Dragon is a reasonable person, as are the rest of the admins and mods here, unlike the rest of almost every D&D board and chat ever</i>. Unclear rules serve no purpose except power tripping. Rules are there to prevent bad behavior that you don't like. If the rule is clear, people will be much less likely to do that bad behavior (indeed, I would not have sworn had I know it was against the rules). If the rule is unclear, people will not know not to do that bad behavior, due to it being, well, unclear and open to interpretation. What benefit does an unclear rule have? The only benefit is that it may be used as a justification by a moderator to ban people over something that isn't explicitly against the rules. If someone ends up doing something you end up not liking later that's not against the rules yet, you add it, and then warn the person for LATER doing, or else you're being unfair. Clear rules are totally necessary and have no downside. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 11:08, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Wanting clarification != throwing a fit. (Note: Calling him a jerk breaches the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Civility Policy] under "Insults and name-calling") (That was a joke by the way). The wikipedia policies are far too strict; they build on the idea that massive amounts of people are going to use the site and a large portion of massive amounts of people are much more easily offended; especially those that use the internet (because that somehow means people get offended easily; textual based insults are so scathing). This wiki is a far more specialized wiki and, in my opinion, will attract the attention of people who have heard swearing. They've read it. They've seen it. They've tasted it's rainbow. This site doesn't need supastrictpolicies because it's not like Wikipedia; our userbase isn't several million. A small amount of people can interact calmly, as long as they stop blowing things way out of preportion. Someone said shit, fuck, hell, damn, bollocks, tits, blah, blah, blah. I could go on Google right now, type in one word and find worse in a single click. I could go on DICTIONARY DOT COM and find worse in a few tappity taps. Facebook? Boom, I took a quiz yesterday about FETISHES. YouTube? Boom, I watched a video the other day that used amazing amounts of the word "Fuck" in a short time. Films that kids have seen are worse than the shit that occurs here. Before I was ten, I'd seen a guy rip out his own eyeball, tear off his arm, tell people to fuck off, stab people, beat people, etc, etc. I've seen a 12a film use the word bitch and more (Hell, I've seen PG films that have used the word Shit). This is just overly censoring things and now we're moving into 1984 country, where soon Big Brother will rain down upon you with it's Thought Police. DO YOU WANT THAT?! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:25, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::You have a good point calling some a jerk is name calling and I can recognise a joke btw. :). And no I dont want Big Brother thought police going on. I hate that sort of thing anything that surpresses my freedom I tend to be agaisnt. Your right the wiki rules are to strict. ANd of course people have heard swearing, tasted its rainbow and all that, it does not mean everyone WANTS to see it and taste it. This whole thing is getting rediculous now and I will take responsibility for any rediculousness (is that even a word?) I have added to it. Also, I thought Green Dragon had clarified it with the link to wiki thingy ma bob. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 11:18, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I'm going to make one final argument, for now. One of the admins/sysops/whatever he is, Daniel Draco, said up thread he didn't believe that swearing was against the rules. By this, I argue if he doesn't know, it's not reasonable for a normal user to know it's not against the rules. And finally, to what extent is swearing against the rules need to be clarified. I have yet to be provided with a good sub-in word for "Bullshit". [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 11:35, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Bovine poop. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:48, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Swearing is against policy since not only are our policies partly defined by Wikipedia's policies however people swearing also tends to end up sparking discussions like this one. I beleive this is the third time a discussion involving swearing has taken place, all with the same result. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:00, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Then why not make it explicitly so? The rules clearly aren't explicit, as proof enough by Draco not knowing. Obviously, it's unclear. If people keep breaking a rule because the rule is unclear, isn't it your responsibility to make the rule more clear? I'm not even arguing for changing it, I'm arguing for defining it. Otherwise, if you're the only one who knows what the rule actually means or if it even exists, how can you be surprised when people break it? [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 12:11, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] was most likely just confused as to the rules (he may not have read all of the policies on Wikipedia). But the policies could not be more clear (save the three warnings policy which is D&D Wiki specific); they are found in the [[Meta Pages]] (''Contact the administration, learn more about D&D Wiki, and learn about some of the contributing guidelines.'') under "''Policies''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:46, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Yes, they could be. The rules specifically prohibit "gross profanity". That's what they say about swearing. And I asked outright- what is Gross Profanity? You gave me an explanation that did not include swearing. This has left me INCREDIBLY confused. Is ANY swearing, even "damn" and such gross profanity? Is it gross profanity only past a certain point of words? Etc. Please clarify. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 13:50, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Not... really? I don't think every single use of a swear word, ever, is rude. Are we still counting words such as damn, shit, etc, as swear-words that are always rude, even when not directed at other people? If so, fine, I'll go along with it but I think it's silly. It reminds me of the WOTC boards where you couldn't talk about circumstance bonuses, or cocking a crossbow. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 13:59, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I don't see how swearing falls under either of those categories unless it's saying "you fucker" in relation to someone, or something similar. And I think a great deal of people here, myself included, will be ''extremely'' unhappy if swearing in general is banned. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 13:59, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:You are right. Swearing is tolerated if it does not break any [[Meta Pages#Policies|policies]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:08, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::So, for example, "This is a piece of shit" would be unacceptable, but "This class is fucking amazing" would be acceptable? If so, perfect. Exactly how it should be, in my opinion. Thank you so much for clearing this up. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 14:12, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Thank you for the clarification. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 14:52, 3 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Thanks ==<br />
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I wish to thank you all for creating and maintaining this Wiki.<br />
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== Massive Screw-ups ==<br />
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So, okay... I think I am completely justified in saying that in my short time here, I have already made a bad impression. I would like to know... How can I interact here without doing so? 'Cause as you may or may not know, I made a flaw (which itself was extremely flawed), which, from what I can only tell was rightly judged as unbalanced, and I think I've already made a permanent scar on my reputation here, which generally reflects my experience everywhere on the Internet. So I'm wondering, how can I constructively and successfully contribute to D&Dwiki, perhaps enough that my noobishness will be compensated for?<br />
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:I think the fact that you've contributed is amazing. Nothing negative. Everyone has different opinions on things placed on the wiki, all one can do is add theirs to the collective. You're a valued part of the wiki and we appreciate your articles. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:21, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I concur with Hooper, and would like to add that nobody is going to remember the bad flaw. Most first uploads are crap. Just the way it is. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 10:38, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Honestly, everybody was a noob once, but it's no big deal. It was hard for me when I first started out here. Surgo did point me toward the Frank and K stuff, which helped a lot (especially Tome of Necromancy, where I got the vampire-staking rules for my Vampire Hunter PrCs...). Also, at the risk of it being a shameless plug, Lord Dhazriel was a big source of inspiration, and there's a couple others who've posted some amazing entries. I for one would be more than happy to look at your work, if you'd look at mine. Quid pro quo, and all that. Stick around, and it'll get a lot better (I did.)! -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos Specialist]] 12:24, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::If you want to contribute a class or a feat or whatever, think about what you've seen recently or what you want in your own game. Nothing gets motivation going for me like trying to bring something from another genre into DnD 3.5. Or trying to figure out how to model an ability. Look at my user page for some of the stuff I've done. Most of it was seeing or playing something and deciding to try to model it in DnD. So far, I've done Neji from Naruto, Yusuke Urameshi from Yu Yu Hakusho, and the Dragoon from Final Fantasy, especially Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. I also wrote my own version of the Drunken Master. But when someone in one of my games wants to, say, run up walls and stand on the ceiling, or he wants a parkour-like ability...Well, then I've got to write something to help him out, and pride demands that it be worthwhile. So if I write anything I'm really proud of, and I can get up the motivation, I put it on the Wiki for review and for whoever wants it. Or for whoever wants to write the ability himself but could use a rough idea of how you manage a, for example, Shoryuken uppercut. Anyway, try some experiments and don't take it personally when people say it sucks. You'll get better, and they should be giving a rationale for their reasoning or advice for improvement. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 21:14, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Adult Content on the Wiki ==<br />
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Hey, GoldDragon here. I was browsing user pages, when I came upon Angel Black's page and found a nude picture. I'm not terribly concerned by it, but there was no advisory warning, and I wondered if there should be. I was foolish enough to bring this up in the Tavern, which sparked a... vigorous debate. Anyway, I know there's a template for an adult content warning, but I didn't think it appropriate for a lowly peon such as me to edit someone else's user page. I have very young players who enjoy this site, but their parents would be upset at me if their children discovered such a page and weren't at least warned to shove off. my point is, should there be a content advisory warning on said user page? what is the line in the sand concerning when one is needed and when not? [[User:GoldDragon|Dragon]] 22:58, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[Template:Adult Theme]] if you are interested. And it's usefulness should be discussed on [[Template Talk:Adult Theme]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:47, 1 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Vatireans ==<br />
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Please help me recreate my race. To tell you guys the truth when my friend(absconder)told me that my race was over powered and would be erased i did not belive him, foolishly.im new at this so please give me some tips on makeing the Vatireans fit the criteria. P.S. i am contacting you green dragon because i dont no how to talk to sepsis. -true warrior<br />
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:Thank you so much for being so helpful and not deleting my race.im am obviosly new at this.-true warrior<br />
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::Could you guys make the changes yuo want and ill look at them tomarrow,(Vatireans).-true warrior<br />
::P.S. actullaly edit the Vatireans please.<br />
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::Please write back and help.-true warrior<br />
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:::pleases write back. -true warrior<br />
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::::please respond,great green dragon.-true warrior<br />
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:::::You can ask these same kind of questions and see the reasons as to why your race was nominated for deletion on it's talk page; [[Talk:Vatireans (4e Race)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:21, 2 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Arachonnomicon; the Book of Spiderkind ==<br />
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Hi. I recently finished the [[Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)|Arachonomicon]]. Could you look over it to see if it ready to be a featured article, please? Thanks in advance. <br><br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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I had ask this question two times, but I hadn't got an answer. How do I make templates? Some pages really need templates. --[[User:Chihuahua0|chihuahua0]] 15:51, 4 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:What do you mean by templates? Adding them to a page or making a new one? If a new one just add it in the template namespace. If adding one to the page just copy and paste it from the preload. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:22, 6 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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Gratzi, Sir.</div>Bard Jon