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Template Pages in Categories[edit]

I was just wondering, many of the template pages for the categories are listed as being in the category. I have recently completely cleaned out the wording issues page, however the template page for it is still listed in the category. This is kind of annoying as I have put so much time into cleaning it out and there are still pages in it. Would it be possible to remove the template pages from the category, as was done, for example, with Template:Adult Theme? --Vrail 16:59, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Do you know how to make <includeonly> and </includeonly> work with #switch:? --Green Dragon 19:18, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure, I checked over [1] wiki page and didn't find anything on it. If you want you can take a look, being better than me at this you may have more luck.
If we move the templates for wording, abandoned, etc. to the actual template page, then removed them from jazzman's workspace then just added the <includeonly> and </includeonly> codes to it, would it not remove it from the category page? --Vrail 23:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
Ya, but I moved them into one to guarantee standardization at the time and now for ease of changes. Let me check something else. --Green Dragon 23:29, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
I think I got the desired result. Could you let me know if you see anything wrong? --Green Dragon 00:29, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Will do, I'm here to help. :) Just wondering, jazzman's workspace template is still in the category, is it possible now for jazz to remove these without repercussions?--Vrail 01:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Found a big problem... all of the reasons for posting these templates simply say 'no reason given' in red. They are also all posted twice.--Vrail 02:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
The reason is fine now. Why oh why, however, is <includeonly> and </includeonly> not working? Any ideas? --Green Dragon 15:57, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I think I might know, I'll take a look at it. (I'll also move my workspace thing to a better place). JazzMan 16:01, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I just got it to work. I just added <noinclude> and </noinclude> starting after the information we want to be the "template". --Green Dragon 16:04, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
We could move the information in your workspace (which are all the reviewing templates (save merge)) to the Template:Reviewing Template, but the <includeonly> and </includeonly> do not work hierarchically as far as I know. Ideas? --Green Dragon 16:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, if we do that then reviewing template will be in all the categories, so it doesn't really get around the problem. I think, though, that the table should probably have it's own page (maybe Meta Pages/Template Use or Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates) and then link to it from the "Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles" section as well as Help:Portal.
The only problem is we will still have the problem of the subpage showing up in all the categories. It can probably be gotten around... but not without some work. Hrm, actually I might have an idea, let me try it and get back to you. JazzMan 16:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
I fixed it! I SUBST'ed all the templates then manually removed the categories. (Here.) The downside is, of course, if we ever change the templates we'll also have to change that table. The other alternative is to add some sort of IF statement that reads if the template is being displayed in the Help namespace, and if so, it doesn't use the category. Actually, that might be a lot slicker, and it makes future-proofing the table a lot easier as well. JazzMan 16:51, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Well it's been a couple weeks and nobody's said anything, so I just created it in Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates. JazzMan 00:06, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

→Reverted indentation to one colon

I like it being a help page. A few things. The help portal information is not present. Same with a breadcrumb (if any).
Instead of the subst I changed it to use the same formatting as the template pages. I also changed the descriptions to be pulled from the category pages (in case of change in both instances). Thoughts? The problem of the template pages being in categories (or more exactly the related help page now) is once again present with regard to the abandoned and candidates for deletion categories. We need to do something. Maybe subst for those? Or make them like the process for the other templates? Thoughts?
Also what about merge and imageneeded? Should they be included? With regard to that help page and this page. Thoughts? --Green Dragon 00:27, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
Good idea to pull the descriptions from the categories, I never thought of that. I don't know what's different about Abandoned and Deletion that's making them show up, so I don't know how to stop it. You could probably get around it by using the {{NAMESPACE}} and a well placed #if or #ifexpr function. I'd have to do some research/experimenting to figure out how to do it myself.
Merge should be added (I didn't know it existed when I made the table), but if we add imageneeded it needs to be standardized to the other templates... and we need to define when an image is actually needed. I don't think it's needed for everything, and adding images adds a whole new dimension to worrying about copyvios. If we don't have someone dedicated to making sure that all images are legit, we will have a wiki full of stuff stolen off the internet. JazzMan 01:47, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
I made the removing templates follow the same principles as the reviewing templates. They no longer show their categories on Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates.
Imageneeded needs to be discussed. If it's layout get's changed it's placement on many pages will no longer work. Although, it could make more sense to have it on the top like the other templates. Thoughts? Uploaders are help responsible for the things they upload, D&D Wiki will just remove items as they learn of a copyright breach on a case-by-case basis.
If we add merge then we also need to make a category for it. Are there enough things for this, or is it rather localized? --Green Dragon 14:17, 22 August 2010 (MDT)

Abandoned pages[edit]

I think it would be worth adding a "These pages need adopting" link to a "How You Can Help" section on the front page. Interested users can then browse an annotated list (here) to see what takes their fancy. Marasmusine 06:16, 18 April 2012 (MDT)

I would include it as an aspect of the master plan, so we can see it before we decide on an action. --Green Dragon (talk) 15:29, 27 August 2012 (MDT)

Abandoned / Needsbalance / Deletions[edit]

GD, not sure why you reverted the alternative lists. Your comment was "non alphabetical", but the DPL list are in alphabetical order. They also provide the template's rationale, and (in the case of abandoned) the date it was tagged. This is very helpful for seeing which abandoned pages are over 1 year old, or which deletion proposals are over 2 weeks old. Please take another look: Abandoned, Needs Balance - I also want to link User:Badger/sandbox15. Any reason why we would link to the category instead? Marasmusine (talk) 03:57, 11 September 2012 (MDT)

I meant that the links on this page were no longer in alphabetical order, but I now see that you actually changed the links. I guess I should have paid more attention. To note though: those pages do need more information on them pertaining to how one should add the template (see the text on the category pages). I like the idea though. --Green Dragon (talk) 13:07, 11 September 2012 (MDT)
Ah, I see the misunderstanding now :) I'll improve the guidelines on those pages before adding them again. Marasmusine (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2012 (MDT)
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