Talk:Katana (4e Equipment)

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Author's Reasoning[edit]

Katana's are usually thought of in the D&D world to be equivalent to a longsword and thus are usually given 1d8 damage.

However Recently in the Monster Manual Two the Human Pirate was given a cutlass and it was told to be treated as a short sword when looted. The Cutlass blade is actually longer than the Katana blade.

Short Sword Blade Length: 48 cm ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_1832_Foot_Artillery_Sword )

Katana Blade Length: 70-73cm ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katana )

Cutlass Blade Length: 67cm ( http://www.iloveswords.com/PIR_cutlass.html )

Long Sword Blade Length: 90-92cm ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longsword )

As You Can see above the Katana and Cutlass are about the same length, and if WotC treated the Cutlass as a short sword than the Katana should be as well. -- Dylanf00t (transcribed by Jota) 17:43, 3 June 2009 (MDT)

Actually, in the complete warrior, a katana is a masterwork bastard sword, not a longsword. Perhaps this can be applied in 4th ed as well? --Ganre 22:35, 5 August 2009 (MDT)

This is not a Katana[edit]

This is not a Katana it way to weak for starts. And dont use that scarecrow defense of the cutlass, a cutlass is not as good as a Katana in any shape or form and you would know this if you knew anything about the process in making a Katana. You realise a Cutlass is a good 30cm shorter then a longsword right, where as a Katana is more equal in length to the Katana you cant say length = power, its just not quite how it works. Sure its a factor. But ntom as much as the smithing process. ShadowyFigure 14:24, 3 June 2009 (MDT)

How on earth is it too weak? Surgo 20:57, 3 June 2009 (MDT)
Obviously, it cannot cut through a tank and deflect bullets. It is also not made of uranium. Sheesh Surgo, you should know better. 400 demerits. >:3 -- Eiji 21:00, 3 June 2009 (MDT)
I'm aware of the conditions in which a Katana is made, and its superior metals etc. I wouldn't have done anything if i wasn't aware of this. I put the 1d6 in reluctantly I do think the katana is a wonderful instrument but i couldn't find a way to justify giving it a higher damage yield until i talked to my friend about 40 minutes ago, and he's been yelling at me ever since. But thats what this chat zone is here for argue issues and make a decision. i think the thing you should really be weirded out by is how its 5lb and a light blade >< that was a massive screw up on my part. ANYWAYS down to the meat and potatoes. 1d8? or 2d4? I've created a program to roll 2d4 1000 times and 1d8 1000 times. (i was wondering which was actually better)
--Result--
2d4 | 1: 0 | 2: 69 | 3: 106 | 4: 183 | 5: 256 | 6: 191 | 7: 119 | 8: 76
1d8 | 1: 108 | 2: 140 | 3: 127 | 4: 121 | 5: 116 | 6: 114 | 7: 134 | 8: 140
so what does the audience think? 1d8 or 2d4? (i like 2d4, less chance to do high damage, more chance to do decent damage) Silvo 0:13, 4 June 2009 (EST)
1d8 averages out to 4.5. 2d4 averages out to 5 damage. 2d4 is superior. Same maximum, lower minimum. I won't get started on my perspective of the whole katanas > life that seems to pervade everyone who thinks they know anything about ancient Japan. I'm not saying a katana isn't superior, but damn, some people (no one here in particular, just saying) take it way too far. -- Jota 22:21, 3 June 2009 (MDT)
I'll happily hop in and say it isn't superior (because it isn't). Anyone who disagrees can take it up with me (preferably on my talk page to not clog up this page). Surgo 22:59, 3 June 2009 (MDT)
Sure Katanas are not the best weapon in the world, in fact they where technicly just like ordinary longswordo nly with the metal folded more times, so either the same damage as a longsword, paired with the high crit would allow the weapon to still be balanced while appealing to many people who would see the low damage as insult. (For some reason...) ShadowyFigure 00:41, 4 June 2009 (MDT)
I know this is a older discussion, but if you want to see a match up between swords, I suggest watching "Deadliest Warrior: Samurai vs. Viking" It proves a 3 body katana, which is considered an average katana is much more deadly then a claymore when both are used by a skilled swordsman. In the test the katana even cuts a small gash in the concrete floor after cutting through 3 whole pigs whose bones are twice the thickness human bone. The katana's manufactured today are only 1-2 body swords (like a average longsword or claymore), however there are 4 and 5 body katana's still around from ancient Japan. It is interesting to note that all katana crafted in ancient Japan were tested and given a makers mark stating the quality (ie: # of bodies the sword can slice through) of the katana by order of Imperial law. The Emperor Go-Murakami is stated as having commissioned a 6 body katana after the Battle of Shichijō Ōmiya and that sword is kept as part of the Imperial exhibit at the National Museum of Japanese History in Sakura, Japan. The katana definitely looked sharp behind the glass at the museum. Sorry if my two cents causes any discord, just found this talk fascinating. -- Kildairem 16:58, 3 August 2009 (MDT)

Okay, this weapon is way too powerful to be a mere one-handed military melee weapon. Whether the weapon is historically easy-to-use or not, you've undermined all other martial weapons. I would make it at least a superior weapon (whether you can argue logically that it should be or not) because of sheer game mechanics, at least then you'd have to spend a feat to harness such awesome power. Compare it to the bastard sword. Most players would use the Katana if were released under Wizards' license. I understand that Katanas are "cool", but you can't make it superior to than everything else. (If you do, make it a SUPERIOR weapon). Shysterio 14:24, 5 August 2009 (MDT)

If your referencing to the 1d10, someone went through the katana and katana-style weapons and increased their power by a die (1d8-1d10) (1d10-1d12) etc, Katanas as good weapons, thats why i conceded the original 1d6 i placed on it being proven wrong, but in no way is it a 1d10 weapon. //Silvo
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