Talk:Kantian Paladin (3.5e Class)

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Thanks for Removing the Excess[edit]

Wow, I really should have double-checked that. I noticed that some lines dropped the "Kantian" from "Kantian Paladin", so I ran a substitution over the entire document. Good catch! Surgo 16:43, 21 March 2009 (MDT)


Jota, thank you very much for finding awesome pictures for the Tome classes. I am highly impressed and very grateful. I'd made some efforts to poke around for some, but couldn't ever find any that seemed appropriate. If I were a hat-wearing person, I'd take it off to you. Oh, and you made me laugh by describing the Fighter as "stabber of faces".--Genowhirl 01:20, 20 June 2009 (MDT)

It seemed appropriate (the fighter bit). I've simply started with the Tome classes because I actually like them, but I'll work my way down the more mundane classes as well. Thanks for thanks. -- Jota 01:36, 20 June 2009 (MDT)

Fast Casting[edit]

It isn't clear whether the Kantian Paladin has access to divine metamagic or whether it is supposed to be like arcane metamagic. The obvious assumption would be divine, but the way it reads make me question that a little. Perhaps someone more familiar with the material might be able to share some insight on the situation? -- Jota 17:58, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

It says they're divine spells, so the metamagic is divine in nature. Surgo 18:38, 15 July 2009 (MDT)
That answers all my questions about balance then. I will commence rating sometime in the near future. -- Jota 18:50, 15 July 2009 (MDT)


It would seem to me that a paladin that follows Kantian ideals would be Lawful neutral, not Lawful good. Let me explain: Lawful good characters follow their ideals to both uphold the law (or their own moral code, in this case) and do good actions. A lawful neutral character will only follow the tenants of their ideals (or the actual law, though one could argue that they make that their own moral code if they follow it), whether it does good or evil.

A paladin who solely follows Kantian ideals does not do actions based on whether they are good or evil, but rather whether they follow the philosophy of Kant. In this way, they are lawful neutral, not lawful good. What could be cool about this is that it creates a lawful neutral paladin, rather than a more strict version of the normal lawful good one.

Well, Paladins are champions of Good (TM) who are required to be lawful. Take it as using Kantian ethics to serve Good (TM), not Kantian ethics on their own. Feel free to make your own super-champion of Law, though. "SMITE SLACKERS!" "HEAL PAPERWORK!" "PENETRATE BUREAUCRACY!" -- 18:16, 13 November 2011 (MST)


Power - <<<5/5 I give this class a <<<5>>> out of 5 because <<>> --Vendevor (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2012 (MDT)

Wording - <<<5/5 I give this class a <<<5>>> out of 5 because <<<It is professionally done.>>> --Vendevor (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2012 (MDT)

Formatting - <<<4>>>/5 I give this class a <<<4>>> out of 5 because <<<The Forrmatting was good.>>> --Vendevor (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2012 (MDT)

Flavor - <<<5/5 I give this class a <<<5>>> out of 5 because <<<it wasn't bland like the palidin, it was intresting.>>> --Vendevor (talk) 08:04, 19 May 2012 (MDT)

Katian paladin's balance issues[edit]

I'm not exactly sure I agree with the balance issue since that's kind of the point, to make the paladin a better caster rather than a fighter-like stabber of faces, I think that all of these could be amended with either A: A forced choice between healing or smiting specialization; B: Some tweaks to it in terms of stats or combat prowess to make it more balanced; or C: A change in armor/weapons; maybe they can't use exotic weapons even with the feat, or maybe needing to take a feat for heavy armor, or SOMETHING! I think it doesn't deserve the giant "YOU MADE IT OP OMFG." label on it.

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