Talk:Halflings, LotR (3.5e Race)

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no...


Gygax got into trouble for this. This is why they're called halflings instead of hobbits, treants instead of ents, and balors instead of balrogs. —Sledged (talk) 14:09, 17 August 2007 (MDT)

Because they had different surcumstances: they where useing "hobbits" to gain profit (which is what copyright protectys against). The Fair use of copyright act allows use of copyright so long as you give credit to the copyright holder and don't use it to gain proft (I just reasearched it).
What is fair use?
In copyright law, there is a concept of fair use, also known as; free use, fair dealing, or fair practice.
Fair use sets out certain actions that may be carried out, but would not normally be regarded as an infringement of the work.
The idea behind this is that if copyright laws are too restrictive, it may stifle free speech, news reporting, or result in disproportionate penalties for inconsequential or accidental inclusion.
What does fair use allow?
Under fair use rules, it may be possible to use quotations or excerpts, where the work has been made available to the public, (i.e. published). Provided that:
The use is deemed acceptable under the terms of fair dealing.
That the quoted material is justified, and no more than is necessary is included.
That the source of the quoted material is mentioned, along with the name of the author.
Typical free uses of work include:
Inclusion for the purpose of news reporting.
Incidental inclusion.
National laws typically allow limited private and educational use.
What is incidental inclusion?
This is where part of a work is unintentionally included. A typical examples of this would be a case where holiday movie inadvertently captured part of a copyright work, such as some background music, or a poster that just happened to on a wall in the background.
Points to keep in mind...
The actual specifics of what is acceptable will be governed by national laws, and although broadly similar, actual provision will vary from country to country.
Cases dealing with fair dealing can be complex, as decisions are based on individual circumstances and judgements. This can be a very difficult area of copyright law.
To avoid problems, if you are in any doubt, you are advised to always get the permission of the owner, prior to use.
Also, I did ask green dragon and blue dragon a long time before adding this;
The Lord of the rings
I am a huge fan of said book, and I have created a D&D campaign setting based on it. I would be interested in putting it on D&D wiki, but it is quite big so I thought I should check with you. It also has quite abit of SRD and modified SRD in it, which may need sorting out. And it is in a word document (I don't know how to turn it into D&Dwiki formatting without spending 1000+ years converting it bit by bit). It may need some work to make it entirely sound. I will not submit it without your permision, and I would also like abit of advice for converting it to wiki format please. Thanks! Sam Kay 12:57, 11 June 2007 (MDT)
The CS will work on here, please add it. Also, about the formatting, what word do you have? I think Word 07 has a text to wiki-code converter, which may be very helpful to you. However, if you do not, Open Office (free) may have an extension that does that... If neither work I believe Blue Dragon make a PDF to wiki-code programm which he may be able to modify... Tell me if it works, or what is happening. Thanks. --Green Dragon 19:36, 11 June 2007 (MDT)
I have word 03. Where can I get open office? Thanks for your help. Sam Kay 09:07, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Open Office here. However, once again, I am not 100% sure if they have an extension... Your best bet really may be to ask Blue Dragon if he could modify his converting script. --Green Dragon 09:11, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Well, I am unable to get open office (administrater ect.) so I will ask Blue Dragon. Thanks.Sam Kay 09:34, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
No problem. --Green Dragon 09:46, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
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Lord of the Rings
Hey, Blue Dragon! I have created a D&D campaign setting based on said book, and when I asked green dragon, he said I should put it on D&D wiki. However, it is in a word (2003) document, and I don't know how to convert it into wiki formatting without taking forever. When I asked Green Dragon, he said you had a PDF wiki-code program that might help. Could you please help me convert it? Thanks. Sam Kay 09:44, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Sure, this sounds like a great idea! Upload your .doc file, and I will look at parsing it and try to get it up soon. I did build a xml-to-wiki program, and it would probably just take a little bit of tweaking to get it to work with RTF. Upload to it to DnD Media Repository, and I will take a look at it. — Blue Dragon (talk) 10:36, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
How do I do that? Sam Kay 10:48, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Go to this page, and sign in with your D&D Wiki username and password, and then fill out the form. Let me know if you have any other problems. — Blue Dragon (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Thanks for that, I have now managed to upload it. it is Here. Sam Kay 14:19, 12 June 2007 (MDT)
Hm... this book in .doc format is a lot harder to convert than what I used for .xml. I will try some things, but don't expect quick progress. — Blue Dragon (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2007 (MDT)
Let me know how you like the current formatting. — Blue Dragon (talk) 13:18, 14 June 2007 (MDT)
I really like the curent formatting. I think the page is ready to put on the campaign setting pages now. I have made some minour text adjustments (correcting my text mistakes, adding several things to the orks ect), so it is now ready. Sam Kay 05:28, 16 June 2007 (MDT)
Also, look at the lord of the rings wiki. They are perfecvtly legal without lots of legality things (all they have to do is give credit to tolkien- which will happen of said page). The only reason why copyright material is not normally allowed on wikis is because no credit is gioven to the auther. --Sam Kay 06:46, 18 August 2007 (MDT)
For the record I did not reply with copyrights in mind (and I know Blue Dragon did not either). --Green Dragon 11:42, 18 August 2007 (MDT)
Okay. I will chang it to "halfling" for now (though I prefer hobbit) until I am 100% cirtain this is covered bu the fair use thing. If I can, I will ask Tolkien Enterprises to make sure it is okay. --Sam Kay 12:38, 18 August 2007 (MDT)
I just asked one wiki to rule them all (a LotR wiki) how they included Hobbits ect without breaching copyright, and I will get bewck with the answer as soon as I can. There is a legal way we can have LotR Campain Setting, and I will find it (I think I already have, but I will check to make sure). For now, I will stop adding more for this campaign setting, just to be safe. --Sam Kay 13:33, 18 August 2007 (MDT)
Sorted. User:KingAragorn (I think he is an admin) replied that we needed a legal disclamer at the bottom of the page, so here it is:

Legal Disclaimer

This web page is Not in any way, shape, or form affiliated with Saul Zaentz, Tolkien Enterprises, the Tolkien Estate, New Line Cinema, or Wingnut Films.
Copyrights and trademarks for the books, films, and other promotional materials are held by their respective owners and their use is allowed under the fair use clause of the Copyright Law.

There we go, we can now have an LotR Campaign Setting! --Sam Kay 04:31, 19 August 2007 (MDT)
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