Talk:Earth Giant (5e Race)

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Several issues here. Firstly, why do you start with a magic item (and please link with square brackets)? Secondly, most of the traits are overpowered and/or poorly worded. Also, could you include a source for the image? SirSprinkles (talk) 16:59, 19 November 2016 (MST)

Musicus Rating[edit]

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Score: 6.5
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It is assumed that Large sized creatures are worth 1.5 on the meter. ConcealedLight (talk) 19:40, 21 December 2017 (MST)

On another note, here is a better image for the class {{5e Image|float:right|http://www.animepro.com.br/blog/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/diane-nanatsu.jpg|Earth Gaint <br/> Image is from the Seven Deadly Sins}}. Also, use this image http://pm1.narvii.com/6524/a7783f8cee2c40d365fcb3ecd07d6c156f6bceea_00.jpg instead if you still think the image is too big. --Blobby383b (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2018 (MST)

Featured Article Nomination[edit]

Yes check.svg.png — This article became a featured article! --Green Dragon (talk) 09:55, 5 April 2018 (MDT)

This race has the potential to be a featured article. I am nominating this page as a featured article, with the reservation that it may need a little polishing work before it gets approved. This page needs to be supported, commented, or opposed from within our community, and double checked for confirmation to featured article formatting and content standards by someone who will then let us know how well it meets these criteria. ConcealedLight (talk) 16:23, 22 January 2018 (MST)

Oppose Right now, I feel they are too powerful, between their Large size, and the fact that they can carry and lift things as if they were a Huge creature, and their skill proficiency, all paired up with an ordinary ASI. I don't feel the article's picture is very indicative of the race, either, simply being a very large human (much larger than the 9-14 feet described). The History and Society section needs to be combed through with a fine brush to look for spelling and grammatical, errors, as well as general readability. Ultimately, the society section doesn't actually describe much of their society. Their history doesn't explain why the Earth Giants decreased in number as the Dragons did. Make these changes and I'll consider changing my vote. (Varkarrus (talk) 16:14, 15 February 2018 (MST))
The changes have been made and I believe that there is a general consensus that the race is balanced. --ConcealedLight (talk) 07:29, 26 February 2018 (MST)
Support - I've worked on this race with the user Geodude quite a bit and it even featured in his RfA. Besides this, I believe this race is both an interesting addition compared to the first party races and a compatible addition to the first party material clearly outlining where this race fits in within the giant's cast system detailed in the Monster Manual and then expanded upon in Volo's Guide to Monsters. --ConcealedLight (talk) 11:05, 18 February 2018 (MST)
  • Comment If the image is to be displayed on the Main Page then it needs to be locally uploaded. --Green Dragon (talk) 10:43, 13 March 2018 (MDT)
I have contacted the artist and asked for permission to upload their image; I will now wait to get a reply. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 11:13, 13 March 2018 (MDT)
I have heard back from the artist and he has given us permission to locally host the image. I'll upload it to the site and edit it into the page momentarily. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 23:59, 13 March 2018 (MDT)

Support. A few points for now.

  • I do not fully understand the quote. Maybe make the human's interaction with the blocks of clay more understandable.
  • It can be argued that dwarves have a connection to metals, which are from the earth. For this reason, the earth giants connection should be explicitly stated. They are large giants with some earth-related magical abilities, but can you explore their connection to earth a little more? For roleplaying, this would be useful.
  • In the history, I am not certain why the earth giants should mimic the number of dragons. Should their not be less dragons?
  • In the history, I still am left wondering why the earth giants left to the elemental plane of earth. Where they pushed out by other giants, or were there too few of them?
  • What is their soceity like exactly? Another paragraph exploring their unique society would sure help people to roleplay earth giants.
  • I changed one trait, Huge Frame, since I was worried that their characters are overall better suited to adventuring than other races. You may change it back, but would you discuss this concern? --Green Dragon (talk) 11:40, 20 March 2018 (MDT)
As stated in the summary, I believe that granting disadvantage on all dex based rolls is too much of a flaw for a race to have, given how their the second most common saving throw in the game and the unconditional nature of such a debuff. --ConcealedLight (talk) 13:18, 20 March 2018 (MDT)
I'd like to state that I agree with CL here. — Geodude671 (talk | contribs | email)‎ . . 14:36, 20 March 2018 (MDT)
That sounds right. I changed it back. What about my other concerns? --Green Dragon (talk) 23:19, 20 March 2018 (MDT)
I'd say they're valid and will be acted upon once either me or geodude have some times to give it a good run through. --ConcealedLight (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2018 (MDT)
I've made some big edits that I believe address your previous concerns and improve the race siginifcantly. I've drawn inspiration from Volo's Guides giant section, the Monster Manuals giant section and from the DMG's optional rules for planes. Let me know what you and any other concerns that may have come about from these additions. --ConcealedLight (talk) 11:21, 28 March 2018 (MDT)
Great work! I changed my comment to support. This just needs to be fine combed for grammar problems, and it will be succeeded. --Green Dragon (talk) 23:01, 28 March 2018 (MDT)
You better believe I'm gonna proofread it! Great work, y'all! :) --EpicBoss99 (talk) 01:23, 29 March 2018 (MDT)
Okay, so I just got done with the first two sections. I took a few liberties when it came to word choice, so feel free to make changes as you please. I'm happy to be of service! :D --EpicBoss99 (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2018 (MDT)
Great job! --Green Dragon (talk) 09:55, 5 April 2018 (MDT)
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