Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Example NPCs

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Example NPCs[edit]

Should each class have an example NPC that goes along with it as a standard practice to show an example of the class? I have seen this with a couple NPC classes from Dmilewski and I thought it might be a good idea to make it so the base classes need an NPC included as well. First off this may be a problem because they're classes, not NPC classes, and if the classes were to be included up to what level of each class would be shown in the example NPC? So, overall, what are your thoughts on this idea? --Green Dragon 16:48, 11 April 2007 (MDT)

I think this greatly depends on the class itself. I included example characters for my classes to illustrate what the classes could look like, and to illustrate any mechanics that may be confusing. I think that this should be an optional inclusion. The new class format from WotC is already a trainwreck of overwriting. (Can you tell that I abhor the new character class format?) From a practical stand, we want folks to come in and print the classes. The more junk we throw in there, the more that they print what they do not need. --Dmilewski 18:51, 11 April 2007 (MDT)
My take is: yes, but only if you can come up with an interesting one. Joe Fighter speaks by himself, there is no need to make an example (this is what Wizards do and, really, their example sucks). Well, Ideally, there would be two examples:
  • a simple one, complete paraphrase, no added value. This is WotC-style and its purpose it to pick it up and use it as instant GM life-saver / cannon fodder. This is “Joe Fighter”. If you want a codename, let’s call him Run-of-the-mill (or ROTM for short).
  • a more elaborate one, that show how far you can go without resorting to any extra rules (this dones not apply only to Prestige Classes; you can make hell of a great character with only Core Classes, even a mere fighter—I know, I did. This is the embattled sergent of the local militia, who like to play dice with is old friend every once in a while. This is “Memorable Joe”. If you want a codename, let’s call him Elaborate (or Elab for short).
Of course, this requires lot of time and such. But, once again, it would differentiate the wiki from yet-another-rules-compendium (granted, the fact that it is a wiki is already a lot).
David Latapie ( | @) — blog 05:13, 12 April 2007 (MDT)
I don't recommend requiring a sample NPC, but the layout does allow for one under sample encounter along with an encounter scenario. The sample encounters in the source books typically have an EL under 10 with the NPC's CR being the same as the EL. I've never seen them multiclassed, nor have I seen any of them with racial HD. —Sledged (talk) 10:55, 12 April 2007 (MDT)
Hm... I guess it will not become standard practice. However, do you guys think it would be a good idea to make a template on the talk pages of all the classes saying it it recommended an NPC example be made? --Green Dragon 21:28, 12 April 2007 (MDT)
Well, first, what level of encouragement (either for or against) should we have for sample NPCs? We've essentially got five options: require, recommend, allow, recommend against, and forbid. I'm against the extremes; requiring sample NPCs and forbidding sample NPCs. If we're going to recommend a sample NPC, then yes we should note something to that effect. —Sledged (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)
I am for "recommend" if the NPCs are recommended on the talk pages of the classes. So, should a template be made for talk pages that states something like "A sample NPC, used to show an example of this class, is recommended by D&D Wiki?" Overall I am wondering if a template is a good idea to add on the talk pages of all the classes that do not have NPCs... --Green Dragon 12:54, 22 April 2007 (MDT)
I feel everyone agrees with recommend. A template needs to be made, and then this should be done. — Blue Dragon (talk) 17:34, 6 May 2007 (MDT)
Okay... The discussion will now be ended, it has gone on long enough. So, on all Base Classes that do not have an NPC present Template:Base Class NPC Recommended will be present on the Talk: page. This, hopefully, should please everyone. Also, if you do not like the wording of the template please feel free to change it. --Green Dragon 10:09, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

NPC Example Level?[edit]

Discussion originally posted on Other#NPC Example Level?

I know that this should go in the proper discussion, but I was a bit late in getting to it and it's already ended. Anyway, it's been established in that discussion that example NPCs are good ideas for classes, but what level in the class is standard? Should prestige class examples also be recommended? If so, what base class levels should be standard? How many levels should be standard for the prestige class? --Daniel Draco 11:54, 5 June 2007 (MDT)

From what I've seen in WotC books, example NPCs tend to be between 5th and 10th levels using a 1-(or less-)HD race with a +0 or +1 LA. I've yet to see one that was a multiclass character. —Sledged (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2007 (MDT)
What of prestige classes? Should they have examples? I was asking about multiclassing because a prestige class, in most cases at least, must multiclass. --Daniel Draco 10:05, 11 June 2007 (MDT)
Oh, I see. Well, these discussions are for the most part limited to base classes, but much of what has been discussed will probably apply to prestige classes, too. So yes, more than likely it will be recommended that prestige classes have a sample NPC. The details will be fleshed out once we start evaluating the PrC layout. —Sledged (talk) 10:48, 11 June 2007 (MDT)
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