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SOPA and PIPA[edit]

I am very much against this announcement. We are a gaming website not a political forum. There is absolutely no reason we need to plaster this over every single page on the wiki. Also, the website linked is not included in DnD Links, so according to how I've seen that policy interpreted in the past, you can't link to it... JazzMan 11:28, 20 January 2012 (MST)

I understand your reasons for opposing the statement, but we need to recognize that if those laws pass, our licenses won't mean anything anymore. I'm serious about this - this website would not last long under these proposed new laws. I think that it would be in the wiki's best interest, therefore, to actively oppose them. -Silverkin 11:35, 20 January 2012 (MST)
I don't like SOPA either, but I seriously doubt that this site would shut down (at least, any more than it already shuts down...), and it most definitely would not negate OGL or GNU licenses. But I still stand by my point: we don't even have an area of the site available for "off topic" discussion. In what way is it any way appropriate to scream about a political issue? Must it be at the top of every single page? Does the community get a say in it? Do we stand against any other political issues or just the ones that may-or-may-not stop us from viewing what is, in the universal scale of things, a rather unimportant website? Lastly, if we must post a bulletin that's irrelevant to our content, and we must post it on every single page of the site, must it also have poor/unclear grammar? SOPA does not in any way effect my right (which doesn't exist) to edit a website. Nor would it restrict my "freedom" to edit freely, unless said edit contains pirated material, which I'm pretty sure we don't allow anyway. JazzMan 11:55, 20 January 2012 (MST)
Again, I agree with your reasons to oppose the banner on every page of the wiki. A notice on the main page would be more appropriate in terms of scale. I also agree that the community should have some say in the decision, but as you said, there is no "off-topic" area to discuss it. The problem with these new laws is in that if any copyright infringement occurs at any time, they can have the whole website shut down immediately, regardless of our efforts to keep copyrighted content off of the wiki, and even if we remove the offending content within minutes of it being posted. Furthermore, evidence of the presence of copyrighted content will not be required in order to take down the site. In short, I don't agree with the methods used, but the reasons behind the action are valid. -Silverkin 12:12, 20 January 2012 (MST)
Seeing as how the bills are shelved indefinitely (and there's a HUGE difference between what can be done -- assuming that an advocacy website is 100% factual with their interpretation -- and what will be done, especially considering the insignificant blip on anyone's radar we are), is there even any reason behind the action? Grrr we all hate something that doesn't exist any more!
Not that reasoning is enough, in my opinion. I can list so many more things that are so important that I think this wiki should, actually, post them to every page. But we are a gaming site. This simply is not the place, no matter how great the reasoning behind it. JazzMan 12:52, 20 January 2012 (MST)
You are right that is is not included on DnD Links however were it to be it would (nothing there goes against anything D&D Wiki does or anything like that). If these laws were to pass the liceneses would mean the same things actually. If these laws were to pass one could sue D&D Wiki about an edit that is a copyright voilation and get D&D Wiki removed from the web. Unlike now, D&D Wiki would be gone– not just the content. It would change your right to edit a website. If you were to edit the content would have to be personally monitored to make sure it conforms to the law. Your editing would no longer be the same. The future of D&D Wiki would be compromised, so it was important I would argue. --Green Dragon 13:52, 20 January 2012 (MST)
This text has been removed as it is not civil. Please see the warning below and/or the Warning Policy.   Hooper   talk    contribs    email   20:03, 20 January 2012 (MST)
[1] (etiquette: argue facts, not personalities) (1:2). Issued on 11:25, 3 April 2012 (MDT) --Green Dragon 11:25, 3 April 2012 (MDT).
Well SOPA and PIPA were shelved. I added something about news sites to DnD Links. And does the media do a little censoring (e.g. music videos)? This should answer your statement. --Green Dragon 00:15, 21 January 2012 (MST)
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