Talk:Magical Resistance (3.5e Feat)

2007-01-18T10:15:49Z

Ymir: /* Huh */

==Huh==

What magical resistance? --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 06:39, 16 January 2007 (MST)

:I think this is talking about SR... Just a guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 16 January 2007 (MST)

::I should have specified better, I meant a general +2 on saves vs. spells & spell-like effects (like the dwarven racial ability) {{Unsigned|Ymir|11:58, 17 January 2007 (MST)}}

:::Looks better, thanks for doing that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:23, 17 January 2007 (MST)

::::No problem :-D -- [[User:Ymir|Ymir]] 03:15, 18 January 2007 (MST)

Talk:Pax (3.5e Deity)

2007-01-18T10:15:03Z

Ymir: /* Name */

Talk:Pax (3.5e Deity)

2007-01-17T18:07:30Z

Ymir: /* Name */

Talk:Staffmage (3.5e Prestige Class)

2007-01-17T18:04:44Z

Ymir: /* two weapon fighting */

== Posted on the Boards: ==

This [[Prestige Class (terminology) | PrC]] was taken from the Wizards Boards by permission, the thread related to this [[Prestige Class (terminology) | PrC]] is: [http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=566947]

''Green_Dragon''

== Balance - 5/10 ==

I feel this class is generally "OK", but problematic. This class gets cool abilities with the staff, but no real ability to stay near melee. The wizards weak HP, low AC, and low BAB work against this PrC. So we have a class where a wizard or sorcerer becomes a poor melee performer and a poorer spellcaster. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 13:58, 8 December 2006 (MST)


==Balance 8/10==

I liked this class. It did not make me jump out of my seat and proclaim "Wow!", but it was a well built, well balanced class with some nice skills. I ran it through a practice battle, and it seemed to work out okay, without any glaring holes or obvious overpowers. It seems this one has been much improved over the previous incarnation. --[[User:Cypresslyshra|Cypresslyshra]] 02:25, 5 January 2007 (MST)


==Balance 5/10==

* Why would a wizard become a staffmage?
* Why doesn't a staffmage get any special abilities with a magic staff?
* The class gets abilities (like Truestrike) that he would not actually want to use. He has touch attacks that work so much better!
* Channeling a spell is confusing and poorly defined.
* Two-weapon fighting for a low BAB class is still crazy. Having a class that avoids using its primary abilities is counterproductive.
* Why doesn't using a staff make spells stronger or provide some sort of bonus to the spells themselves?
* Why doesn't the staff allow some sort of metamagic effects?
* The class gives a first level benefit (''mage armor'' for one hour) at 11th character level, when the caster can already cast it for 7 hours.

Key points for improvement:

* Improve the focus of the class. What is the core concept behind this class? Is it to make a wizard into a deadly staff-fighter in close quarters or a wizard who uses his staff to deliver spells?
* The wording on most abilities can be greatly simplified.
* Defensive abilities need to come earlier in the class.

Here's what I see for the class:

# While holding a staff, the staffmage gains the benefit of the ''mage armor'' and ''shield'' spells. The staff substitutes for the somatic component of any arcane spell. [A worthy dip, but not overpowered as these abilities quickly become all-day effects anyway.]
# Spell Bump
# Mage mage use the staff to deliver touch attack spells. May use a touch attack spell for multiple rounds, rather than once.
# Spell Bump
# The mage may "precast" touch spells onto the staff. Activating them in combat does not trigger an Attack of Opportunity.
# Spell Bump
# Offensive Surge: Whirlwind Attack.
# Spell Bump
# Something cool.
# Spell Bump
--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 07:14, 5 January 2007 (MST)

:I will work on these improvements, however I would like to state why I made it how it is now. I was trying to keep the authors original idea in mind, with the problems you stated in your last rating of this to be fixed. The authors original idea was just to make a spellcaster be good with a staff and able to fight with one as well. However, I now see that this idea, in essence, is flawed. Even though this author wanted a spellcaster to be able to fight; they cannot. So, I will work on fixing this with your ideas in mind, and bring this away from the authors original idea. Also, FYI, Channeling was taken directly from a WotC PrC with only minimal wording changed, so it should not be confusing... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:55, 5 January 2007 (MST)

:: Dmilewski is right. For this class to have a unified core concept, the entry requirements would have to be reworked to be more in line with a class such as the arcane archer, where some level in a combat class is necessary. For example, the base attack bonus could be increased to +6 and an additional feat (something like Greater Weapon Focus (Quarterstaff) or Weapon Specialization (Quarterstaff) ).This would allow the staffmage to actually have a chance to act as a fighting character. Nonetheless, the risk (and continual drawback) is that the staffmage will never be as good at fighting as a straight fighter or as good at casting as a straight spellcaster. To be effective, the class needs:

::#A spell bump at each odd level.
::#Various abilities at even levels that add to it's fighting prowess (not just something like permanent mage armor, since any realistic fighting character will have a better armor bonus than that. Perhaps instead of channeling an ability could be added which allows a staffmage to act as though he/she had 10%-20% less spell failure chance (increasing as levels gain, as channeling does) when wielding both a staff and armor or a shield. This might allow for combination fighter/wizard types to become effective staffmages and remain vaguely equal in power level to the rest of the party. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 01:46, 9 January 2007 (MST)

::::Thanks for the input, I will use both your ideas combined when I re-make this. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 January 2007 (MST)

:::::Good luck. I'm thinking that stealing from the Monk may be a good idea, as the monk already goes to many of the places that the staff mage needs to go. Many of the advantages/limitations/problems of the monk class will be the exact same problems that a staff mage has. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 17:46, 9 January 2007 (MST)

::::::Thanks for the idea, I will incorporate that as well, if I can... Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:02, 9 January 2007 (MST)


== New Version ==

So, I made the "new version" taking into consideration many of your guy's ideas. I think this new version may be a little overpowered, but what do you guys feel about it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 10 January 2007 (MST)

== Balance - 8/10 ==

This class is coming along nicely. I love most of the changes, they are quite well implemented. The progression of defensive things builds nicely (first defensive staff, then-- at higher levels-- the spell failure reduction). I like that. I think two changes are important, one major, one minor.

Minor: Change the text of Offensive Surge. Add: "If Touching Strike is used, it only effects the first opponent the staffmage damages" after "The staffmage can use Touching Strike during this attack." Thus, it would read:
:"The staffmage can use Touching Strike during this attack. ''If Touching Strike is used, it only effects the first opponent the staffmage damages.''"

Major: Subversive casting should ''not'' increase the save DC so drastically. It is a '''very''' bad idea to change the save DC by greater than +2. Currently the ability increases the save by +5. If the bonus is +5, this ability is extraordinarily overpowered. If it is lower (and more reasonable), then the ability is great. I understand that the rationale behind this is "if I distract the opponent, they will have a harder time dodging the fireball." However, reflex is not based around being conscious of an attack-- otherwise it would be called dodge. Instead, it is an instinctual response. Further, it is entirely unrational to have a fortitude save increased at all (to be honest), since there is no way that distraction should cause this change. I think it is best to rule that the save DC increases because a peculiar quality of the magic that makes it intrinsically more difficult to combat (hence "subversive"). This should be done with a +2.

Overall, the class has come a long way and I am quite proud of it and the collaborative work that has been done (especially the effort by Green Dragon). If those changes are made, I change the balance to an 8/10. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 00:45, 11 January 2007 (MST)

:Update: I just realized another minor error. Subversive strike should provide a bonus to all touch attacks, not just ranged touch attacks.

::All done. What do you think of it now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:23, 12 January 2007 (MST)

::: It looks great to me. I think the class has come a long way and is suitably balanced as compared to other SRD prestige classes. I even think the class strikes out well in new directions, though perhaps not enough to warrant a 9. Close, though. In all, however, an 8 is a very good score (after all, this is the rating for all of the prestige classes in the DMG!). Well done! --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 01:54, 12 January 2007 (MST)

::::Agreed, I was not striving for above an 8. I also think this class only warrants a 8, and is not good enough for a 9. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 12 January 2007 (MST)

== combat casting ==

hey since this class evolves around arcane spellcasters in combat maybe combat casting would be a logical extra prerequisite. -[[User:Ymir|ymir]], 02:07, 11 January 2007 (MST)

:Added it in, thanks for bringing that up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:23, 12 January 2007 (MST)

== two weapon fighting ==

I'm not so sure 2 weapon fighting would be such a bad idea, oke a wizard or sorcerer has a realy bad BAB but..., since these characters always have a higher risk of "not hitting" due to there eternally low BAB it might be better to get 2 chances ''(even if you receive a -2 on the attack rolls)'' because more the more dice the more chance to get that high die roll wizards and sorcerers need to hit ''(with or without the -2)''.

And secondly it seems to me that fighting with 2 weapons is kind of natural when someone specializes in the quarterstaff, maybe to improve the fighting the class could lose 1 or 2 minor abilities to gain a better BAB or 2 weapon fighting feats.

anyway just giving my vision on the class (that by the way is '''awesome to play!''') and I am planning to introduce it as a standard prestige class in my [[The Test of Time (DnD Campaign Setting)]]
(as long as the creators think that's ok)

-- [[User:Ymir|Ymir]] 04:05, 16 January 2007 (MST)

:It's okay to use anything of D&D Wiki in your campaign, and since this was perfected by the community it is very okay. About the Two Weapon Fighting... To include that would require that something be removed. And, as Dmilewski said so well ''"What is the core concept behind this class? Is it to make a wizard into a deadly staff-fighter in close quarters or a wizard who uses his staff to deliver spells?"'' and I think it is to make a wizard who uses his staff to deliver spells... I think TWFing may ruin the concept behind this class, or at least break it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 16 January 2007 (MST)

::True, casting spells through his staff works out very good for this prestige class.
::maybe I'll start working on a prestige class more focused of wizards using a staff two-handed, as an other path for a simalar type of organisation.
::--[[User:Ymir|Ymir]] 11:04, 17 January 2007 (MST)

People of the Worlds (The Test of Time Supplement)

2007-01-17T18:00:03Z

Ymir: /* Humans */

===People of the Worlds===
'''Here follows a detailed description of the races of Andaria'''

=[[Humans (SRD Race)|Humans]]=
:Alignment: Any
:God: [[Adonai (the Test of Time)| Adonai]], [[Belial (the Test of Time)| Belial]]
:Home Region: [[Material Plane (SRD Planes)|Material Plane]]
:[[Human Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Human Character Options]]
:'''Changes: Choose a +2 and -2 modifier on Abilities at 1st level, choose a exotic/martial weapon proficiency at 1st level, +2 bonus on saves vs. spells & spell-like effects.'''
:''Description: From average to extreme, humans love and hate, build and destroy and are masters at crafting and gathering knowledge.''
:''Due to there inability to work with natural and arcane magic humans have always relied on there martial traditions to keep them save, becouse of this the humans are known for there great army and legendary generals.''

=[[Elves (SRD Race)|Elves]]=
:Alignment: [[Chaotic Good (SRD Term)|Chaotic Good]]
:God: [[Pax (the Test of Time)| Pax]]
:Home Region: [[The Windy Isles (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Windy Isles]]
:[[Elven Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Elven Character Options]]
:'''Changes: +2 bonus on preform (Any) and Craft (Sculpting, Visual Arts), +2 bonus on diplomacy checks.'''
:''Description: Carefree and relaxed, elves have long ago learned that "if it's no fun, it's not worth doing!" and such they spend their time writing song and poems, dancing, painting and more, as long as it involves beauty.''
:''This has resulted in many epic poems and great songs famous through out the multi-verse, and elven bards are welcome in almost every court and country. All are moved by the beauty of the songs.''
:''Though slow to anger the Elves are even slower to forget and there is nothing but beauty in a honorable duel with a hated foe.''

=[[Dwarves (SRD Race)|Dwarves]]=
:Alignment: [[Lawful Neutral (SRD Term)|Lawful Neutral]]
:God:[[Krilos (the Test of Time)| Krilos]]
:Home Region: [[The Cave of Krilos]]
:[[Dwarven Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Dwarven Character Options]]
:'''Changes: Favorite class: Wizard, +2 bonus on [[Concentration (SRD Skill)| concentration]], +2 bonus on [[Spellcraft (SRD Skill)| spellcraft]] checks, no +2 bonus on saves vs. spells and magical effects.'''.
:''Description: grumpy and stoic, the dwarfs rarely leave there underground homes and-- if they do-- it's to further their knowledge of the arcane arts.''
:''Because they spend so much time with their noses in ancient books they have little or no patience for other races.''
:''Another reason for their mistrust towards other races is because of the long wars that the other races have waged upon the [[Dwarves (SRD Race)|Dwarves]], looking for the fabled wealth of the dwarfs and, of course, jealous of there arcane might.''
:''That is why the dwarven cities are the paramount of defense, and their techniques for special defensive construction are a very closely guarded secret.''

=[[Halflings (SRD Race)|Halflings]]=
:Alignment: [[Lawful Good (SRD Term)|Lawful Good]]
:God:[[Arwan (the Test of Time)| Arwan]]
:Home Region: [[The Sea of Grass]]
:[[Halfling Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Halfling Character Options]]
:'''Changes: No Strength penalty, Lawful, Don't like to use metal, usually follow a wild class (Barbarian, Ranger, Druid, Sorcerer)'''
:''Description: honorable, lawful and extremely respectful in regard to nature, the halflings tend to view the world from an natural view in which all creation is equal.''
:''Ancient tradition still dictates daily life in most tribes and change is virtually taboo.''
:''They lived in [[The Sea of Grass]] for eons but have migrated to the [[Material Plane (SRD Planes)|Material Plane]] and, thanks to their travel urge, can be found on most good aligned planes ([[The Windy Isles]], [[The Floating Isles]]).''

=[[Orc (SRD Creature)|Orc]]=
:Alignment: [[Lawful Evil (SRD Term)|Lawful Evil]]
:God:[[Chemosh (the Test of Time)| Chemosh]]
:Home Region: [[The Wasteland]]
:[[Orc Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Orc Character Options]]
:'''Changes: religious zealots, extremely lawful, no light sensitivity, no Wisdom penalty'''
:''Description: Orcs are the worst fear of most small isolated towns and villages; they raid the secluded places of the world without rest and are difficult enemies to beat since self sacrifice is held in high regard.''
:''The reason for this is that religion is held in the highest regard. The red-robed female clerics are the cornerstone of the orc society.''
:''Furthermore, they are excellent close combat fighters and usually fight in tight formation, and therefore are feared especially on the [[Material Plane (SRD Planes)|Material Plane]], since they seem to have no interest in the other planes.''

=[[Lizardfolk (SRD Creature) | Lizardfolk]]=
:Alignment: [[Chaotic Evil (SRD Term)|Chaotic Evil]]
:God:[[Tiamat (the Test of Time)| Tiamat]]
:Home Region: [[The Green Hell]]
:[[Lizardfolk Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Lizardfolk Character Options]]
:'''Changes: Bite attack 1d6 damage, usually follows a wild class (Barbarian, Ranger, Druid, Sorcerer)'''
:''Description: If it's not Orcs you fear as a small town then it is probably the Lizardfolk, strong in natural magic and fighting Lizardfolk are a force to respect.''
:''With excellent Guerrilla tactics backed up with powerful druids it's hard not to fear the Lizardfolk.''
:''Always in search of victory and land to conquer the lizardfolk tribes are found on all planes (even extremely good aligned planes like [[The Floating Isles]]) and such are considered a threat by almost all sentient non-reptilian beings, and this is very typical of the lizardfolk since there dragon gods tell them reptilians should be the rulers of the multi-verse.''

=[[Merfolk (SRD Creature) | Merfolk]]=
:Alignment: [[Chaotic Neutral (SRD Term)|Chaotic Neutral]]
:God:[[Satine (the Test of Time)| Satine]]
:Home Region: [[The Great Ocean]]
:[[Merfolk Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Merfolk Character Options]]
:'''Changes: +10 Ft. swim speed'''
:''Description: Arrogant and aloof, the Merfolk usually stay out of "land dwellers" affairs but there are exceptions, like Merfolk raiders and pirates.''
:''There arrogance does not come from an nationalistic side, but they see the surface world and they see the wars and famine and blame the "land dwellers" for being "hot heads" and such are reluctant to let these "surface dwellers" into there realms.''
:''There domains are to be found on planes like [[The Great Ocean]] and [[The Windy Isles]] but they shun the [[Material Plane (SRD Planes)|Material Plane]] since in there view this is the greatest source of "hot-heads".''

=[[Aasimar (SRD Creature) |Aasimar]]=
:Alignment: [[Neutral Good (SRD Term)|Neutral Good]]
:God:[[Adonai (the Test of Time)| Adonai]]
:Home Region: [[The Floating Isles]]
:[[Aasimar Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Aasimar Character Options]]
:'''Changes: can use [[Daylight (SRD Spell)| Daylight]] ability at will'''
:''Description: Humans that have had contact with celestial beings for a long time and have changed because of this relationship.''
:''They are the protectors of the innocent and a perfect example of just how "good" humans can be, yet they battle their evil counterparts ([[Tiefling (SRD Creature)|Tiefling]]) without remorse.''
:''Unlike their evil counterparts the scheming [[Tiefling (SRD Creature)|Tiefling]] the Aasimar travel nearly the whole multi-verse looking for evil to fight and good to protect.''
:''But they are definitely more likely to be seen on planes like [[The Sea of Grass]], [[The Windy Isles]], [[The Great Ocean]] and [[The Cave of Krilos]] where they can help those in need.

=[[Tiefling (SRD Creature)|Tiefling]]=
:Alignment: [[Neutral Evil (SRD Term)|Neutral Evil]]
:God:[[Belial (the Test of Time)| Belial]]
:Home Region: [[The Abyss]]
:[[Tiefling Character Options (The Test of Time Supplement)|Tiefling Character Options]]
:'''Changes: can use [[Blacklight (SRD Spell)| Blacklight]] ability instead of [[Darkness (SRD Spell)| Darkness]] and can use it at will'''
:''Description: They are the perfect example of just how deep a human can fall, through contact with various demons and devils some humans changed and started to spread evil through the multi-verse, they battle there good couterparts ([[Aasimar (SRD Creature)|Aasimar]]) without mercy.''
:''They usually stay in [[The Abyss]] or the [[Material Plane (SRD Planes)|Material Plane]], but are known for trips into [[The Green Hell]] and [[The Wasteland]].''
:''On these evil planes they sell their trade as mercenaries, assassins, thieves and mages; especially the thieves and assassins are in high demand.''

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Magical Resistance (3.5e Feat)

2007-01-17T17:59:29Z

Ymir: /* Magical Resistance */

<noinclude>''This feat is related to the [[The Test of Time (DnD Campaign Setting)]]->[[Human Feats (The Test of Time Supplement)|Human Feats]].

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===[[Magical Resistance (DnD Monster Feat)|Magical Resistance]]===
''Some Humans are even less effected by magic.''

'''Prerequisite:''' Human, level 1''

'''Benefit:''' increases the characters natural bonus on saves vs. spells & spell-like effects to +4''
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