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Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2010-09-24T23:12:07Z

Starcry:

== Updates ==
I am planning to update and balance this class. If anyone has any ideas at all or would be willing to work on the layout (I am not great with that part for some reason) it would be of a huge help. I will attempt to contact Ganre before any major changes for obvious reasons. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:42, 24 November 2009 (MST)
:It would be great if someone else would rate this class as well as update the rating box on the main page. I have not done that before and am treading carefully with my editing until I feel more advanced.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 07:21, 25 November 2009 (MST)
:: I still really need help with spell checking, grammar checking, as well as any ideas over all. I do intend to make a prestige class that plays off this one. Finally have I made any changes people don't like?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 11:08, 7 December 2009 (MST)
== Questions ==

Why are you saved messed up? There are only two save progressions: good and poor. Good starts at +2, then increases by 1 every even numbered level until it's +12 at 20th level. Poor starts at +0 and increases by 1 every level divisible by three until it's +6 at 18th level. There are a few other things like this. I suggest you look over your class and make sure it adheres to the standards and rule of D&D. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 16:35, 19 March 2009 (MDT)

:I fixed the saves for them, but i still think this class needs work. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 04:50, 30 March 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because the class is simply too weak and does not explain how the powers work well enough. This class needs at least some type of attack choices I think.

'''Wording - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because Over all the wording is not bad but there are places where things are not explained well enough or leave things to open and could cause balance issues>

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because This class does not meet the standard layout requirements though an attempt was certainly made.

'''Flavor - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because I love the idea of a true "tank" that has some interesting utility. I also enjoy the over all feel of the class --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:05, 24 November 2009 (MST)

== Dec Breakdown ==

Starcry. I'm going to give you some feedback since you said you wanted some. Yeehaa. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:57, 7 December 2009 (MST)

*A d12 hit dice is way too high for a Heavy Armor PC. Go with d10. The armor denies hp damage so the HD becomes overpowered. Barbarians get d12 because they take hits, not deflect them with Tower Shields and Full-plate.
*Auras: Do they affect the Guardian too? If so they will make you too strong.
:*Protector Defense: Change bonus to a dodge bonus. (my opinion)
:*Defender Strike: Change bonus to a straight attack bonus. (bab bonus is weird)
:*Elemental Defense: Change bonus to (3*aura level).
:*Travelers Cloak: Change to skill bonus of (1*aura level) toward Hide, Move Silent, Disguise. (No giving ranks)
:*Defenders Sight: Darkvision at 15th level? Way underpowered. (Maybe something stronger)
:*Travelers Speed: This must affect the guardian himself or lose any chance of becoming effective. Your aura only goes 30ft, so any boost in speed will allow them to simply sprint out of the aura and forgo the bonus. Or they can just match your speed to stay in the aura and then they gain no speed bonus at all.
:*Fortification: 100 temp hp while affected? Can this become recast if I just step out and back in? Refilling my temp hp?
*Aura Bonus: So you get a +10 combined Aura bonus at 20th? Way too strong. Ditch this.
*Bonus Feats: =Lame. Be specific.
*Final Honor: =Lame. "Save or Die" are the worst. The deity part is weird too. What if my Guardian is not religious. Shouldn't that just be left to Roleplay?
*Other: What do these do? Swift Aura, Stable Aura, Extend Aura, Dual Aura, Mystic Transfer, etc?

Address these concerns and we shall talk again! Muahahaha!

:Only a VERY few aura will effect the Guardian. The aura bonus will be worked on im not happy with it. As far as the "other" stuff im getting ready to write up. The Fortification was there before i adopted it. I have lots of work to do, I just wanted to see someone elses take on it. I will be giving some major disadvantages to even things out later down the road. The reason for BAB is so that they can actually increase number of attacks. Final Honor is TRASH in my mind, it will be changed. The bonus feats i left so that players can flesh him out some and to give hime at least some combat choices. But if you have an idea for a list there by ALL means please do. As far as travelers cloak goes, it cant be used in combat at all, its one and only job is to get from point A to point b while outside safley, i better clear that one up some. Think of it as a weakened teleport. The hit die is a d12 because he really only takes hits. Ill play test a d10 to see. Thank you for pointing out some glaring things that can be abused. I will fix those asap! good input, check back in a couple weeks for me.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:: Ok I noted on Final Honor, Totally revamped Fortification and Travelers cloak. As far as Defenders Sight mabye Arcane sight?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::Hmm. Okay let me expound. (Edit conflict. Sign your posts!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:24, 7 December 2009 (MST)
:::*Bonus Feats: If they want "combat options" they can take a level in Fighter. This class will benefit from specifics not generalities. In other words, its a wasted bonus IMO.
:::*Travelers cloak: A minor teleport? Overland movement while Moving Silently? I got abit confused. Guess I'll look at it when you are all finished.
:::*Hit Dice: If you feel a class needs a d12 then their is something wrong with that class. No class should NEED a d12. Remember, smart opponents avoid Tanks, they do not focus on them. Shields and Heavy Armor do not give a bad-guy a reason to hit you. They give them reasons to NOT hit you. Hehe.

::::Travelers cloak grants ranks and is a multiplier? What other class feature does that? And, does Fortifications DR stack with other DR? Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:29, 7 December 2009 (MST)
::::: the entire point behind the Travelers line is just that, to allow travel without any harm coming to the person. This class is ment to be a tank first and foremost It has alot of work to be done in it. Bear in mind I have NOT balanced it totally yet. I plan to add negatives to this class somehow. Im still pretty firm on not forcing the class to multi just to get a couple of combat choices, I did remove the uncanny dodge abilities as they felt tacked on. I plan on letting the DR stack somehow just not sure how yet. As i don't want something crazy. Finally Most monsters ARE not smart. Also I plan on putting in Auras that push damage onto him, that's what the mystic transference will be. I just have not gotten it totally worked out. It WAS set at d10 but because of the fact people where roleplaying the class correctly and tossing themselves in the line of fire i ended up with lots of deaths. Ill figure it out. I may remove the bonus feats as I add auras that give some combat choices, It will make more sense when some of the faults are put in. Thank you for the constant updates. If you have better ideas for the travel line let me know. I DONT want actual teleports though.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::::: I added the explanation of the stable aura ability, this is one of the most important abilities for the Guardian if you could look over it and let me know of any glaring abuses that would be great. The general idea is it should basically act exactly as if the guardian where standing where the gem is. Though I intend to limit a lot of the things that can be done through it as I add abilities. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:58, 9 December 2009 (MST)

==Stable Aura==

I looked over the Stable Aura ability. I felt you were being very conservative with the idea. Making a gem, destroying a gem, describing a gem, powers with a gem. It felt very confusing. In my opinion you don't need a gem. Just use a minor action to anchor an aura on the 5 foot square which you occupy. Your character can then maintain the aura on that specific location. Maybe they can hold it in place for a number of rounds or sustain it as a minor action? Maybe you can anchor it to a landmark or something.

The only problem with the gem is that it can be moved or carried by another party member or opponent. Its like handing your class features to someone else? Again, just my opinion. I can't wait to see the class all finished up! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 December 2009 (MST)

:Well I want it to be hard to do, because combined with Dual aura its possible to make a huge aura. I do want combos used. I may even need to change how the Aura bonus works. Using only the Aura bonus for special aura stuff like extend and making the effects of the aura based on something else, OR the other way around. You are right though I never ment for that gem to be moved at all once in place. Much less by someone else, thank you so much for pointing that out. If you can think of a better way to phrase what i said so its less complicated that would be good to. If you look over some of the new abilities i have explained you may see why the gem is needed. Also do you like the direction im taking the class in? Do you think it may be straying to far from the protection set up? I figure if i keep almost all of the aura stuff built around protection its fine, though i will be adding 2 ways to use the aura activly as a damage ability. Also I will be adding a Brambles type effect where the aura provides an ability for monsters to take damage if they hit people. I have not decided the best way to put that in yet, Or the type of damage. Thank you as always for your advice your really helping this class come together.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:36, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::The community is here to help and grow. The less "Diablo 2 Paladin" the better. Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 11:46, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:::I haven't played that in years. Though I suppose anything using an aura could be compared to it. I do want this guy to be very different. I just don't want him to "replace" another class. I figure no base class should be so good that its a given you want to play it. Giving him spells would just be to much, I tested the HP thing and your right, He would just be to darned durable. I have an idea about using the aura to damage anything other than the guardian inside it. maybe 1d4 per level using Divine/Fire? I really need some combat idea in here without using magic or going to "cleric". Though I want the Damage abilities to still be defensive somehow as odd as that sounds. Maybe 1d4 Divine while healing half that divide among any allies in the aura? hmmm. As always advice is welcome. Could really use your insight as well Green. Ive fallen in love with this class and really want it playable. You are however very right about the paladin thing, thanks for catching me before i cloned something :)--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:27, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::::Ideas, I got. Probably not the ones you want though. Because, really, your not ready for them. You need to know what this is. What this class is. What you want it to do. How you want it to grow. What you want it to fight. (That last one is a bit tricky too.) Here is what I do.
::::*Define the Role: Tank, DPS, Buffer, etc. (You already have this)
::::*Define the Specialization: (You have picked Auras. A magical effect upon nearby creatures within a defined sphere.)
::::*Research other classes with similar Roles and Specials to get ideas about abilities, rules, growth by level, and who-does-it-best. (I think your still right here. The tedious part.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:48, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Rating ==

'''Power - <s>2.5/5'''</s> I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because are the auras constantly present? One could read it like that except for things like ''Swift Arua'', etc. That needs to be worded better. E.g. how long they last, how often they can be invoked, etc. Why do the ''Guardian Aura''<nowiki></nowiki>'s jump around? That should be a standard progression. Same with the ''Bonus Feat''. Also the armor related abilities are probably overpowered. Toning them down would make it so one could increase the auras to be much better (and not make that section so overpowered). To be honest I would love to see the auras changed a bit (more flavor added to them) and made more powerful and usable. Maybe even affect oneself. Then the HD could be lowered to a d8 or d10 or so. Also, really, the wording needs to be increased so one knows more what this class does before it can be better judged. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:I actually intend to remove the bonus feats and the armor stuff so that I can focus more on the auras. I have not reached the point yet about deciding which auras effect him and which do not. I fully agree I need more auras, stronger ones, and ones that are more use able. I am trying to get the way to auras will work exactly first then create them so that I have a set of rules to work from. If anyone has ideas for auras please post them. The more unique the better. From what I am gathering everyone wants me to go back and fix the bases before adding more, so ill go with that advice. Ill fix the armor issues, hit die issues, remove the bonus feats so that I can increase other things. Finally, The idea behind this class is very simple, to use auras, mainly to protect people. I need to add some way to force people to go after him. That seems to be missing badly. I can always change around stuff I am not pleased with. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::I have removed bonus feats as they feel tacked on. Reduced the Hit die as i agree with all of the comments. I removed the armor ability and am considering dropping it to medium armor as his defense should come from auras. Finally the Special steed I am really up in the air about. Is it even really needed with the travel auras? It also seem to be pushing it towards a Paladin and not its own base class. Any comments on the steed? --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:10, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Wording - 2/5''' I give this class a 2 out of 5 because, although the abilities are mostly understandable, the wording needs to follow standards (the level written out in the ability, a sentence or part of a sentence of descriptive text, then the in game stats). This needs to follow the [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Guideline)|When to Italicize and Capitalize]] guideline. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:Ill try and rephrase the auras. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because the class features in the table need to link to the class feature below, links to the SRD need to be added, and sub-class abilities need to be italicized under the bold ability. Also extra line breaks need to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:I need to simply learn more about the formatting I know. Anyone who would like to fix formating please feel free. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Flavor - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because all the "section description needed" areas need to be added and an example NPC needs to be added. Also many of the these auras can just be mimicked with spells. Something unique would make one have a much greater desire to play this. Also what is this image from? Maybe an image with auras could be added if that image is from a game and not GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:The class is based around the auras. As far as the picture goes, it was here when I took over about a month ago, the project was dead for a while and I did not want to see if go into deletion. Anyone who would like to add flavor text, or the like, please feel free. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

Thank you again for the input. I'll get back to work on the base mechanics and away from the fun stuff for a bit, that and clean up some formatting! ''':)''' --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Aura Guardian to Aura Knight ==
Hello i saw your class and it inspired me to make a class ive been thinking about for a while, it has the same cincept as yours, but different, come check it out, called the Aura Knight, not done yet, not even close but maybe youll like it, Cheers!!! [[User:Envoyof aGod|Envoyof_aGod]] 09:37, 24 September 2010 (MDT)
:Thank you Envoy, I left a comment on your page and I would love to see us work together for one class. Yours seems more offensive and mine defensive, Perhaps a merge until level 10 then a choice that allows either defensive or offensive powers. Could be very intresting! [[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:12, 24 September 2010 (MDT)

User talk:Envoyof aGod

2010-09-24T23:07:40Z

Starcry:

==Free-Runner==

==Archon Plate==

==Black Metals==

== re: Hello (from Green Dragons disscusion) ==

I understand you need a name for a very wise and powerful dragon, yes? Well, I will try to help as much as I can, being a dragon myself. I hope you don't mind if I post these in my native tongue (Draconic) but I will as if is befitting to the cause. I will put the name in Draconic then English in parentheses for you.
Maekrix di wer Jennu Darastrixi (Leader of the Great Dragons)

Jennu Darastrix di Juanth (Great Dragon of Old)

Darastrix di Aussir Tiichi (Dragon of White Honor)

Now i know that these are more likely to be great titles of status, but they do serve as names. Some dragons were named with respects to their powers or interests. (Think Native American names.) Something simple like White Wyrm, or Cold Scales are very simple but effective if done right in Draconic, your players will never know the difference. (unless they speak it that is)Take my name for example I was born with the name Wer Auraj Ir, which in literal translation means The Brass One. It is simple but it carries respect an honor. My name was later changed to Elderon Analas by the human family that raised me as a wyrmling.

If you have any questions or want to give me something to translate, let me know. I'm all ears, well ear holes, but you know what I mean. Hope this helps.

--[[User:Elderon The Dragon|Elderon Analas]] 20:59, 27 April 2010 (UTC)Elderon The Dragon
==Thank you for noticing my class!==
Thank you for noticing the class i was working on. Sadly I am very ill now and have not been able to work with it. I would adore to see it finished, If you have the time and heart to work with me on it I would be beyond greatful, mabye we can even combine the two as we appear to have had very very similar ideas. It breaks my heart to see it sitting.Starcry@gmail.com is my email.-- [[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:07, 24 September 2010 (MDT)

Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-20T03:39:13Z

Starcry:

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

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Hit Die: d10
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
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! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

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|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura, Aura bonus +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Aura bonus +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Aura bonus +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Aura bonus +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Aura bonus +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

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'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is considered to be using 1 aura. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought range, line of sight, and even being on a different plane do not effect this ability. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating. Once the gem is in place if it is moved the aura stops and the gem is destroyed. Only the Guardian may touch the gem, anyone or anything else just passes through the gem as though they where trying to touch a ghost. The gem may only be effected by someone other than the guardian by using a wish,in which case the gem is destroyed.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tend to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Guardians sometimes choose to follow the path of the cleric or the Paladin later in life as they become more attached to a god.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

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{{DnD Base Class Infobox
|img=
|imgloc=
|imgsize=
|imgcaption=
|rating_power=2.5
|raters_power=1
|rating_wording=2
|raters_wording=1
|rating_formatting=2.5
|raters_formatting=1
|rating_flavor=2.5
|raters_flavor=1
|authors=
|datecreated=August 6, 2008
|status= starting updating as of November 24th, 2009
|editing=
|type=Combat-Focused
|desc=An armored soldier who protects his companions with a variety of boon-giving auras.
}}

==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d10
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura, Aura bonus +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Aura bonus +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Aura bonus +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Aura bonus +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Aura bonus +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is considered to be using 1 aura. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought range, line of sight, and even being on a different plane do not effect this ability. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating. Once the gem is in place if it is moved the aura stops and the gem is destroyed. Only the Guardian may touch the gem, anyone or anything else just passes through the gem as though they where trying to touch a ghost. The gem may only be effected by someone other than the guardian by using a wish,in which case the gem is destroyed.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tend to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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[[Category:User]]
[[Category:Class]]
[[Category:Base Class]]
[[Category:Combat-Focused]]

Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

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Starcry:

{{needsbalance|See talk.}}
{{DnD Base Class Infobox
|img=
|imgloc=
|imgsize=
|imgcaption=
|rating_power=2.5
|raters_power=1
|rating_wording=2
|raters_wording=1
|rating_formatting=2.5
|raters_formatting=1
|rating_flavor=2.5
|raters_flavor=1
|authors=
|datecreated=August 6, 2008
|status= starting updating as of November 24th, 2009
|editing=
|type=Combat-Focused
|desc=An armored soldier who protects his companions with a variety of boon-giving auras.
}}

==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura, Aura bonus +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Aura bonus +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Aura bonus +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Aura bonus +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Aura bonus +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is considered to be using 1 aura. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought range, line of sight, and even being on a different plane do not effect this ability. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating. Once the gem is in place if it is moved the aura stops and the gem is destroyed. Only the Guardian may touch the gem, anyone or anything else just passes through the gem as though they where trying to touch a ghost. The gem may only be effected by someone other than the guardian by using a wish,in which case the gem is destroyed.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tend to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

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'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-20T01:10:07Z

Starcry: /* Overall Update */

== Updates ==
I am planning to update and balance this class. If anyone has any ideas at all or would be willing to work on the layout (I am not great with that part for some reason) it would be of a huge help. I will attempt to contact Ganre before any major changes for obvious reasons. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:42, 24 November 2009 (MST)
:It would be great if someone else would rate this class as well as update the rating box on the main page. I have not done that before and am treading carefully with my editing until I feel more advanced.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 07:21, 25 November 2009 (MST)
:: I still really need help with spell checking, grammar checking, as well as any ideas over all. I do intend to make a prestige class that plays off this one. Finally have I made any changes people don't like?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 11:08, 7 December 2009 (MST)
== Questions ==

Why are you saved messed up? There are only two save progressions: good and poor. Good starts at +2, then increases by 1 every even numbered level until it's +12 at 20th level. Poor starts at +0 and increases by 1 every level divisible by three until it's +6 at 18th level. There are a few other things like this. I suggest you look over your class and make sure it adheres to the standards and rule of D&D. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 16:35, 19 March 2009 (MDT)

:I fixed the saves for them, but i still think this class needs work. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 04:50, 30 March 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because the class is simply too weak and does not explain how the powers work well enough. This class needs at least some type of attack choices I think.

'''Wording - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because Over all the wording is not bad but there are places where things are not explained well enough or leave things to open and could cause balance issues>

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because This class does not meet the standard layout requirements though an attempt was certainly made.

'''Flavor - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because I love the idea of a true "tank" that has some interesting utility. I also enjoy the over all feel of the class --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:05, 24 November 2009 (MST)

== Dec Breakdown ==

Starcry. I'm going to give you some feedback since you said you wanted some. Yeehaa. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:57, 7 December 2009 (MST)

*A d12 hit dice is way too high for a Heavy Armor PC. Go with d10. The armor denies hp damage so the HD becomes overpowered. Barbarians get d12 because they take hits, not deflect them with Tower Shields and Full-plate.
*Auras: Do they affect the Guardian too? If so they will make you too strong.
:*Protector Defense: Change bonus to a dodge bonus. (my opinion)
:*Defender Strike: Change bonus to a straight attack bonus. (bab bonus is weird)
:*Elemental Defense: Change bonus to (3*aura level).
:*Travelers Cloak: Change to skill bonus of (1*aura level) toward Hide, Move Silent, Disguise. (No giving ranks)
:*Defenders Sight: Darkvision at 15th level? Way underpowered. (Maybe something stronger)
:*Travelers Speed: This must affect the guardian himself or lose any chance of becoming effective. Your aura only goes 30ft, so any boost in speed will allow them to simply sprint out of the aura and forgo the bonus. Or they can just match your speed to stay in the aura and then they gain no speed bonus at all.
:*Fortification: 100 temp hp while affected? Can this become recast if I just step out and back in? Refilling my temp hp?
*Aura Bonus: So you get a +10 combined Aura bonus at 20th? Way too strong. Ditch this.
*Bonus Feats: =Lame. Be specific.
*Final Honor: =Lame. "Save or Die" are the worst. The deity part is weird too. What if my Guardian is not religious. Shouldn't that just be left to Roleplay?
*Other: What do these do? Swift Aura, Stable Aura, Extend Aura, Dual Aura, Mystic Transfer, etc?

Address these concerns and we shall talk again! Muahahaha!

:Only a VERY few aura will effect the Guardian. The aura bonus will be worked on im not happy with it. As far as the "other" stuff im getting ready to write up. The Fortification was there before i adopted it. I have lots of work to do, I just wanted to see someone elses take on it. I will be giving some major disadvantages to even things out later down the road. The reason for BAB is so that they can actually increase number of attacks. Final Honor is TRASH in my mind, it will be changed. The bonus feats i left so that players can flesh him out some and to give hime at least some combat choices. But if you have an idea for a list there by ALL means please do. As far as travelers cloak goes, it cant be used in combat at all, its one and only job is to get from point A to point b while outside safley, i better clear that one up some. Think of it as a weakened teleport. The hit die is a d12 because he really only takes hits. Ill play test a d10 to see. Thank you for pointing out some glaring things that can be abused. I will fix those asap! good input, check back in a couple weeks for me.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:: Ok I noted on Final Honor, Totally revamped Fortification and Travelers cloak. As far as Defenders Sight mabye Arcane sight?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::Hmm. Okay let me expound. (Edit conflict. Sign your posts!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:24, 7 December 2009 (MST)
:::*Bonus Feats: If they want "combat options" they can take a level in Fighter. This class will benefit from specifics not generalities. In other words, its a wasted bonus IMO.
:::*Travelers cloak: A minor teleport? Overland movement while Moving Silently? I got abit confused. Guess I'll look at it when you are all finished.
:::*Hit Dice: If you feel a class needs a d12 then their is something wrong with that class. No class should NEED a d12. Remember, smart opponents avoid Tanks, they do not focus on them. Shields and Heavy Armor do not give a bad-guy a reason to hit you. They give them reasons to NOT hit you. Hehe.

::::Travelers cloak grants ranks and is a multiplier? What other class feature does that? And, does Fortifications DR stack with other DR? Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:29, 7 December 2009 (MST)
::::: the entire point behind the Travelers line is just that, to allow travel without any harm coming to the person. This class is ment to be a tank first and foremost It has alot of work to be done in it. Bear in mind I have NOT balanced it totally yet. I plan to add negatives to this class somehow. Im still pretty firm on not forcing the class to multi just to get a couple of combat choices, I did remove the uncanny dodge abilities as they felt tacked on. I plan on letting the DR stack somehow just not sure how yet. As i don't want something crazy. Finally Most monsters ARE not smart. Also I plan on putting in Auras that push damage onto him, that's what the mystic transference will be. I just have not gotten it totally worked out. It WAS set at d10 but because of the fact people where roleplaying the class correctly and tossing themselves in the line of fire i ended up with lots of deaths. Ill figure it out. I may remove the bonus feats as I add auras that give some combat choices, It will make more sense when some of the faults are put in. Thank you for the constant updates. If you have better ideas for the travel line let me know. I DONT want actual teleports though.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::::: I added the explanation of the stable aura ability, this is one of the most important abilities for the Guardian if you could look over it and let me know of any glaring abuses that would be great. The general idea is it should basically act exactly as if the guardian where standing where the gem is. Though I intend to limit a lot of the things that can be done through it as I add abilities. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:58, 9 December 2009 (MST)

==Stable Aura==

I looked over the Stable Aura ability. I felt you were being very conservative with the idea. Making a gem, destroying a gem, describing a gem, powers with a gem. It felt very confusing. In my opinion you don't need a gem. Just use a minor action to anchor an aura on the 5 foot square which you occupy. Your character can then maintain the aura on that specific location. Maybe they can hold it in place for a number of rounds or sustain it as a minor action? Maybe you can anchor it to a landmark or something.

The only problem with the gem is that it can be moved or carried by another party member or opponent. Its like handing your class features to someone else? Again, just my opinion. I can't wait to see the class all finished up! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 December 2009 (MST)

:Well I want it to be hard to do, because combined with Dual aura its possible to make a huge aura. I do want combos used. I may even need to change how the Aura bonus works. Using only the Aura bonus for special aura stuff like extend and making the effects of the aura based on something else, OR the other way around. You are right though I never ment for that gem to be moved at all once in place. Much less by someone else, thank you so much for pointing that out. If you can think of a better way to phrase what i said so its less complicated that would be good to. If you look over some of the new abilities i have explained you may see why the gem is needed. Also do you like the direction im taking the class in? Do you think it may be straying to far from the protection set up? I figure if i keep almost all of the aura stuff built around protection its fine, though i will be adding 2 ways to use the aura activly as a damage ability. Also I will be adding a Brambles type effect where the aura provides an ability for monsters to take damage if they hit people. I have not decided the best way to put that in yet, Or the type of damage. Thank you as always for your advice your really helping this class come together.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:36, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::The community is here to help and grow. The less "Diablo 2 Paladin" the better. Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 11:46, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:::I haven't played that in years. Though I suppose anything using an aura could be compared to it. I do want this guy to be very different. I just don't want him to "replace" another class. I figure no base class should be so good that its a given you want to play it. Giving him spells would just be to much, I tested the HP thing and your right, He would just be to darned durable. I have an idea about using the aura to damage anything other than the guardian inside it. maybe 1d4 per level using Divine/Fire? I really need some combat idea in here without using magic or going to "cleric". Though I want the Damage abilities to still be defensive somehow as odd as that sounds. Maybe 1d4 Divine while healing half that divide among any allies in the aura? hmmm. As always advice is welcome. Could really use your insight as well Green. Ive fallen in love with this class and really want it playable. You are however very right about the paladin thing, thanks for catching me before i cloned something :)--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:27, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::::Ideas, I got. Probably not the ones you want though. Because, really, your not ready for them. You need to know what this is. What this class is. What you want it to do. How you want it to grow. What you want it to fight. (That last one is a bit tricky too.) Here is what I do.
::::*Define the Role: Tank, DPS, Buffer, etc. (You already have this)
::::*Define the Specialization: (You have picked Auras. A magical effect upon nearby creatures within a defined sphere.)
::::*Research other classes with similar Roles and Specials to get ideas about abilities, rules, growth by level, and who-does-it-best. (I think your still right here. The tedious part.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:48, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because are the auras constantly present? One could read it like that except for things like ''Swift Arua'', etc. That needs to be worded better. E.g. how long they last, how often they can be invoked, etc. Why do the ''Guardian Aura''<nowiki></nowiki>'s jump around? That should be a standard progression. Same with the ''Bonus Feat''. Also the armor related abilities are probably overpowered. Toning them down would make it so one could increase the auras to be much better (and not make that section so overpowered). To be honest I would love to see the auras changed a bit (more flavor added to them) and made more powerful and usable. Maybe even affect oneself. Then the HD could be lowered to a d8 or d10 or so. Also, really, the wording needs to be increased so one knows more what this class does before it can be better judged. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Wording - 2/5''' I give this class a 2 out of 5 because, although the abilities are mostly understandable, the wording needs to follow standards (the level written out in the ability, a sentence or part of a sentence of descriptive text, then the in game stats). This needs to follow the [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Guideline)|When to Italicize and Capitalize]] guideline. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because the class features in the table need to link to the class feature below, links to the SRD need to be added, and sub-class abilities need to be italicized under the bold ability. Also extra line breaks need to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Flavor - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because all the "section description needed" areas need to be added and an example NPC needs to be added. Also many of the these auras can just be mimicked with spells. Something unique would make one have a much greater desire to play this. Also what is this image from? Maybe an image with auras could be added if that image is from a game and not GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Overall Update ==
I need to simply learn more about the formatting I know. The class is based around the auras. I actually intend to remove the bonus feats and the armor stuff so that I can focus more on the auras. I have not reached the point yet about deciding which auras effect him and which do not. I fully agree I need more auras, stronger ones, and ones that are more use able. I am trying to get the way to auras will work exactly first then create them so that I have a set of rules to work from. If anyone has ideas for auras please post them. The more unique the better. From what I am gathering everyone wants me to go back and fix the bases before adding more, so ill go with that advice. Ill fix the armor issues, hit die issues, try and rephrase the auras, remove the bonus feats so that I can increase other things. As far as the picture goes, it was here when I took over about a month ago, the project was dead for a while and I did not want to see if go into deletion. Finally, The idea behind this class is very simple, to use auras, mainly to protect people. I need to add some way to force people to go after him. That seems to be missing badly. Anyone who would like to fix formating, add flavor text, or the like PLEASE feel free. I can always change around stuff I am not pleased with. Thank you again for the input. Ill get back to work on the base mechanics and away from the fun stuff for a bit, that and clean up some formatting! :) --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)
:I have removed bonus feats as they feel tacked on. Reduced the Hit die as i agree with all of the comments. I removed the armor ability and am considering dropping it to medium armor as his defense should come from auras. Finally the Special steed I am really up in the air about. Is it even really needed with the travel auras? It also seem to be pushing it towards a Paladin and not its own base class. Any comments on the steed?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:10, 19 December 2009 (MST)

Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-20T00:58:26Z

Starcry:

== Updates ==
I am planning to update and balance this class. If anyone has any ideas at all or would be willing to work on the layout (I am not great with that part for some reason) it would be of a huge help. I will attempt to contact Ganre before any major changes for obvious reasons. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:42, 24 November 2009 (MST)
:It would be great if someone else would rate this class as well as update the rating box on the main page. I have not done that before and am treading carefully with my editing until I feel more advanced.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 07:21, 25 November 2009 (MST)
:: I still really need help with spell checking, grammar checking, as well as any ideas over all. I do intend to make a prestige class that plays off this one. Finally have I made any changes people don't like?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 11:08, 7 December 2009 (MST)
== Questions ==

Why are you saved messed up? There are only two save progressions: good and poor. Good starts at +2, then increases by 1 every even numbered level until it's +12 at 20th level. Poor starts at +0 and increases by 1 every level divisible by three until it's +6 at 18th level. There are a few other things like this. I suggest you look over your class and make sure it adheres to the standards and rule of D&D. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 16:35, 19 March 2009 (MDT)

:I fixed the saves for them, but i still think this class needs work. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 04:50, 30 March 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because the class is simply too weak and does not explain how the powers work well enough. This class needs at least some type of attack choices I think.

'''Wording - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because Over all the wording is not bad but there are places where things are not explained well enough or leave things to open and could cause balance issues>

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because This class does not meet the standard layout requirements though an attempt was certainly made.

'''Flavor - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because I love the idea of a true "tank" that has some interesting utility. I also enjoy the over all feel of the class --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:05, 24 November 2009 (MST)

== Dec Breakdown ==

Starcry. I'm going to give you some feedback since you said you wanted some. Yeehaa. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:57, 7 December 2009 (MST)

*A d12 hit dice is way too high for a Heavy Armor PC. Go with d10. The armor denies hp damage so the HD becomes overpowered. Barbarians get d12 because they take hits, not deflect them with Tower Shields and Full-plate.
*Auras: Do they affect the Guardian too? If so they will make you too strong.
:*Protector Defense: Change bonus to a dodge bonus. (my opinion)
:*Defender Strike: Change bonus to a straight attack bonus. (bab bonus is weird)
:*Elemental Defense: Change bonus to (3*aura level).
:*Travelers Cloak: Change to skill bonus of (1*aura level) toward Hide, Move Silent, Disguise. (No giving ranks)
:*Defenders Sight: Darkvision at 15th level? Way underpowered. (Maybe something stronger)
:*Travelers Speed: This must affect the guardian himself or lose any chance of becoming effective. Your aura only goes 30ft, so any boost in speed will allow them to simply sprint out of the aura and forgo the bonus. Or they can just match your speed to stay in the aura and then they gain no speed bonus at all.
:*Fortification: 100 temp hp while affected? Can this become recast if I just step out and back in? Refilling my temp hp?
*Aura Bonus: So you get a +10 combined Aura bonus at 20th? Way too strong. Ditch this.
*Bonus Feats: =Lame. Be specific.
*Final Honor: =Lame. "Save or Die" are the worst. The deity part is weird too. What if my Guardian is not religious. Shouldn't that just be left to Roleplay?
*Other: What do these do? Swift Aura, Stable Aura, Extend Aura, Dual Aura, Mystic Transfer, etc?

Address these concerns and we shall talk again! Muahahaha!

:Only a VERY few aura will effect the Guardian. The aura bonus will be worked on im not happy with it. As far as the "other" stuff im getting ready to write up. The Fortification was there before i adopted it. I have lots of work to do, I just wanted to see someone elses take on it. I will be giving some major disadvantages to even things out later down the road. The reason for BAB is so that they can actually increase number of attacks. Final Honor is TRASH in my mind, it will be changed. The bonus feats i left so that players can flesh him out some and to give hime at least some combat choices. But if you have an idea for a list there by ALL means please do. As far as travelers cloak goes, it cant be used in combat at all, its one and only job is to get from point A to point b while outside safley, i better clear that one up some. Think of it as a weakened teleport. The hit die is a d12 because he really only takes hits. Ill play test a d10 to see. Thank you for pointing out some glaring things that can be abused. I will fix those asap! good input, check back in a couple weeks for me.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:: Ok I noted on Final Honor, Totally revamped Fortification and Travelers cloak. As far as Defenders Sight mabye Arcane sight?--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::Hmm. Okay let me expound. (Edit conflict. Sign your posts!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:24, 7 December 2009 (MST)
:::*Bonus Feats: If they want "combat options" they can take a level in Fighter. This class will benefit from specifics not generalities. In other words, its a wasted bonus IMO.
:::*Travelers cloak: A minor teleport? Overland movement while Moving Silently? I got abit confused. Guess I'll look at it when you are all finished.
:::*Hit Dice: If you feel a class needs a d12 then their is something wrong with that class. No class should NEED a d12. Remember, smart opponents avoid Tanks, they do not focus on them. Shields and Heavy Armor do not give a bad-guy a reason to hit you. They give them reasons to NOT hit you. Hehe.

::::Travelers cloak grants ranks and is a multiplier? What other class feature does that? And, does Fortifications DR stack with other DR? Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:29, 7 December 2009 (MST)
::::: the entire point behind the Travelers line is just that, to allow travel without any harm coming to the person. This class is ment to be a tank first and foremost It has alot of work to be done in it. Bear in mind I have NOT balanced it totally yet. I plan to add negatives to this class somehow. Im still pretty firm on not forcing the class to multi just to get a couple of combat choices, I did remove the uncanny dodge abilities as they felt tacked on. I plan on letting the DR stack somehow just not sure how yet. As i don't want something crazy. Finally Most monsters ARE not smart. Also I plan on putting in Auras that push damage onto him, that's what the mystic transference will be. I just have not gotten it totally worked out. It WAS set at d10 but because of the fact people where roleplaying the class correctly and tossing themselves in the line of fire i ended up with lots of deaths. Ill figure it out. I may remove the bonus feats as I add auras that give some combat choices, It will make more sense when some of the faults are put in. Thank you for the constant updates. If you have better ideas for the travel line let me know. I DONT want actual teleports though.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 18:16, 7 December 2009 (MST)

:::::: I added the explanation of the stable aura ability, this is one of the most important abilities for the Guardian if you could look over it and let me know of any glaring abuses that would be great. The general idea is it should basically act exactly as if the guardian where standing where the gem is. Though I intend to limit a lot of the things that can be done through it as I add abilities. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 09:58, 9 December 2009 (MST)

==Stable Aura==

I looked over the Stable Aura ability. I felt you were being very conservative with the idea. Making a gem, destroying a gem, describing a gem, powers with a gem. It felt very confusing. In my opinion you don't need a gem. Just use a minor action to anchor an aura on the 5 foot square which you occupy. Your character can then maintain the aura on that specific location. Maybe they can hold it in place for a number of rounds or sustain it as a minor action? Maybe you can anchor it to a landmark or something.

The only problem with the gem is that it can be moved or carried by another party member or opponent. Its like handing your class features to someone else? Again, just my opinion. I can't wait to see the class all finished up! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 December 2009 (MST)

:Well I want it to be hard to do, because combined with Dual aura its possible to make a huge aura. I do want combos used. I may even need to change how the Aura bonus works. Using only the Aura bonus for special aura stuff like extend and making the effects of the aura based on something else, OR the other way around. You are right though I never ment for that gem to be moved at all once in place. Much less by someone else, thank you so much for pointing that out. If you can think of a better way to phrase what i said so its less complicated that would be good to. If you look over some of the new abilities i have explained you may see why the gem is needed. Also do you like the direction im taking the class in? Do you think it may be straying to far from the protection set up? I figure if i keep almost all of the aura stuff built around protection its fine, though i will be adding 2 ways to use the aura activly as a damage ability. Also I will be adding a Brambles type effect where the aura provides an ability for monsters to take damage if they hit people. I have not decided the best way to put that in yet, Or the type of damage. Thank you as always for your advice your really helping this class come together.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:36, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::The community is here to help and grow. The less "Diablo 2 Paladin" the better. Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 11:46, 19 December 2009 (MST)

:::I haven't played that in years. Though I suppose anything using an aura could be compared to it. I do want this guy to be very different. I just don't want him to "replace" another class. I figure no base class should be so good that its a given you want to play it. Giving him spells would just be to much, I tested the HP thing and your right, He would just be to darned durable. I have an idea about using the aura to damage anything other than the guardian inside it. maybe 1d4 per level using Divine/Fire? I really need some combat idea in here without using magic or going to "cleric". Though I want the Damage abilities to still be defensive somehow as odd as that sounds. Maybe 1d4 Divine while healing half that divide among any allies in the aura? hmmm. As always advice is welcome. Could really use your insight as well Green. Ive fallen in love with this class and really want it playable. You are however very right about the paladin thing, thanks for catching me before i cloned something :)--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:27, 19 December 2009 (MST)

::::Ideas, I got. Probably not the ones you want though. Because, really, your not ready for them. You need to know what this is. What this class is. What you want it to do. How you want it to grow. What you want it to fight. (That last one is a bit tricky too.) Here is what I do.
::::*Define the Role: Tank, DPS, Buffer, etc. (You already have this)
::::*Define the Specialization: (You have picked Auras. A magical effect upon nearby creatures within a defined sphere.)
::::*Research other classes with similar Roles and Specials to get ideas about abilities, rules, growth by level, and who-does-it-best. (I think your still right here. The tedious part.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:48, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because are the auras constantly present? One could read it like that except for things like ''Swift Arua'', etc. That needs to be worded better. E.g. how long they last, how often they can be invoked, etc. Why do the ''Guardian Aura''<nowiki></nowiki>'s jump around? That should be a standard progression. Same with the ''Bonus Feat''. Also the armor related abilities are probably overpowered. Toning them down would make it so one could increase the auras to be much better (and not make that section so overpowered). To be honest I would love to see the auras changed a bit (more flavor added to them) and made more powerful and usable. Maybe even affect oneself. Then the HD could be lowered to a d8 or d10 or so. Also, really, the wording needs to be increased so one knows more what this class does before it can be better judged. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Wording - 2/5''' I give this class a 2 out of 5 because, although the abilities are mostly understandable, the wording needs to follow standards (the level written out in the ability, a sentence or part of a sentence of descriptive text, then the in game stats). This needs to follow the [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Guideline)|When to Italicize and Capitalize]] guideline. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because the class features in the table need to link to the class feature below, links to the SRD need to be added, and sub-class abilities need to be italicized under the bold ability. Also extra line breaks need to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

'''Flavor - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because all the "section description needed" areas need to be added and an example NPC needs to be added. Also many of the these auras can just be mimicked with spells. Something unique would make one have a much greater desire to play this. Also what is this image from? Maybe an image with auras could be added if that image is from a game and not GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:00, 19 December 2009 (MST)

== Overall Update ==
I need to simply learn more about the formatting I know. The class is based around the auras. I actually intend to remove the bonus feats and the armor stuff so that I can focus more on the auras. I have not reached the point yet about deciding which auras effect him and which do not. I fully agree I need more auras, stronger ones, and ones that are more use able. I am trying to get the way to auras will work exactly first then create them so that I have a set of rules to work from. If anyone has ideas for auras please post them. The more unique the better. From what I am gathering everyone wants me to go back and fix the bases before adding more, so ill go with that advice. Ill fix the armor issues, hit die issues, try and rephrase the auras, remove the bonus feats so that I can increase other things. As far as the picture goes, it was here when I took over about a month ago, the project was dead for a while and I did not want to see if go into deletion. Finally, The idea behind this class is very simple, to use auras, mainly to protect people. I need to add some way to force people to go after him. That seems to be missing badly. Anyone who would like to fix formating, add flavor text, or the like PLEASE feel free. I can always change around stuff I am not pleased with. Thank you again for the input. Ill get back to work on the base mechanics and away from the fun stuff for a bit, that and clean up some formatting! :) --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 17:58, 19 December 2009 (MST)

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== An over all thought ==
I saw the drama again, I think that Green did what was right. You know why? Its his page. I know we all put our souls in it but it is what it is. I dont want to drudge things up but for example no one but green has even commented on anything i ask help for, no one has rated classes im fixing, NOTHING. only green. So I stand firmly behind him, so please flame me all you want.
--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 10:44, 7 December 2009 (MST)
== Hit Points in 3.5e ==

I have a question about hit points in v3.5 and i cannot confirm if i am correct or not. My question is:

When you reach a new bonus with your constitution score (from +1 to +2) do you gain 1 hp per class level, or just another hp at the level your new constitution bonus takes effect.

I have always assumed that you would gain 1 hp per class level when this occurs as, unless im wrong, you lose 1 hp per level when you your constitution bonus drops a point. {{Unsigned|70.71.231.106|23:20, 5 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:[[SRD:Constitution]] states: "If a character’s Constitution score changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character’s hit points also increase or decrease accordingly." I mean, a raging barbarian gets bonus hit points from his Constitution increase. Why wouldn't you normally gain from such a benefit? I've always played like that (retroactive increases), anyway. Hope this helps, even if the link isn't explicitly clear. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:55, 6 July 2009 (MDT)

::I'm pretty sure bonus HP due to a CON increase are awarded retroactively. I've noticed they are in d20 products for the PC and console, so I'm certain they're awarded the same way in regular D&D. We always played it like that anyway. --[[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 16:22, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

:::It is awarded retroactively, though you may want to play this differently. Sometimes it doesn't make sense for a person to gain a large amount of hit points for (almost) no reason. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:01, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

== 4e Power Format Regarding LAI ==

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to send me a message. Hopefully, it was manual otherwise, oops! ''':P'''

I have one question though. I was creating a campaign setting for the 4th edition, and I've noticed the wiki is lacking in material for this edition. Could you tell me what things are availible to me? On a related note, whenever I use the 4th edition power template, a footer appears beneath it, like in [[LPadfoot (4e Class)|here]]. How do I get rid of it? Also, very quickly, my campaign was put under 0 for lacking pages, but I've been steadily adding them. How will my campaign get out of 0? Thanks! ~[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 17:33, 9 July 2009 (MDT)`

:[[4e Homebrew]]. Since when can Campaign Settings get rated as 0? I think you mean your class. I would post something on it's talk page ans ask what you need to do to improve it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:37, 9 July 2009 (MDT)

::Here is what I mean. Without code wrapping '{{,}}'
::stub|missing nearly all pages
::Campaign Setting Rating=0
::How do I fix that? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|07:31, 10 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::I agree with you about [[Template:4e Power]] and how it automatically adds the breadcrumb to all the powers gets very damn annoying (okay, I've never actually added my own 4e class. I'm just talking about the layout). We currently add homebrew power's into their own linked to pages with each class having it's own page ([[4e Powers]] - the ones under "homebrew designation"). The reason the breadcrumb is included in that template is because the idea when they were made was for each to have it's own page. The reasoning was so other classes could use the same powers, like a mix of 3.5e spells 4e powers optimized for functionality; however I feel that their is a better way to do it. What are your thoughts on having something more compared to a pool of 4e powers and each class transcluding them into their page (or creating a link list - comparable to the 3.5e spell lists for each class)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 11 July 2009 (MDT)

::::I took a look at your campaign setting - [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] and you were right. It was rated as 0. I changed the formatting and layout a bit and changed the rating to 2, however I did not really read it so the rating could be off. And above with the code warping and dpl mixed with categories idea did you man to ask how does one change a campaign settings rating? Since it uses a template it just pulls a parameter from the template page; so one just has to change the number at the end to the new rating. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:06, 11 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::Also which edition does [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] use? Your 4e class is in there but much of it is using 3.5e material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::What do you mean? I designed the class after how it looks like in the 4e handbooks, and it says in the running and history of LAI section that it uses 4e. So how do I manage to get the Power to appear without the footer? Do I link into it like with the menu and find some way to make them fit in the powers section? My idea on that power linkage thing is to have it so that powers could have a powersource tab add to it as well as a link on the power to the classes it belongs to, so that you can search up the power, then see the classes it leads to on the power itself.-- [[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 7:44, 15 July 2009 (GST +10)

:::::::Removing those footers on class pages is a bit of an issue. The template was designed to work so that each homebrew class added has it's own power page and each template has it's own page. I am not positive if you agree or not however I think that that organizational structure for powers is a bit extraneous (for example your class has about six powers. Six powers on such a massive page (to me at least) comes off as a bit much). I changed your class a bit to show you more of what I mean. The first edit I did (with the revision history is [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class%3A_Archer&diff=391450&oldid=374143] and then I reverted it back to the old revision [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class:_Archer&diff=next&oldid=391450]). One of the powers does not have a breadcrumb but if one notices it is changed to say "Attack" to say "Class Feature" (or something like that). I am not positive with either way to organize the powers on your class. Also the template could be changed so one has to add a footer manually. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:39, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::I made [[Template:4e Power/Sandbox]]. If you would not mind let me know what you think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:30, 16 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::It looks great! Finally we can have powers without the footers! Huzzah. On the subject on the changes to the Archer class: Would you like to join LAI? You are amazing! Your tweaks have made the Archer class a rich and more in depth class than I alone (Seeing as I'm the only one in PnP LAI) could make! I give you full permission to edit anything on LAI as long as it dosen't affect the larger whole of the story! BTW the Tribal Civil war didn't happen, more like a World War among the cities.
:::::::::Serious about the LAI joining thing, will you? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|03:33, 19 July 2009 (MDT)}}

::::::::::Could you email me about joining LAI so I can think about it more? I don't want to start helping LAI and have strange ideas for LAI which you disagree with. Although I am pretty certain I want to continue developing it, with permission. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:58, 21 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Could you email me and let me know if it is okay for me to edit your CS soon and so we can discuss ideas? I want to start a 4e campaign in a day or so and I would prefer to use LAI. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 25 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::Sure, the Email will be arriving soon. I had a special pdf. sheet I made for recruiting people in real life, it would be nice to send it to you via Email. On a less formal setting, I give you full permission to edit anything but the History (Though you can add things). --[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 10:20, 29 July 2009

:::::::::::::I don't mean to be rude or anything, however I changed my opinion. I think I am going to start a 3.5e campaign and just start from a small town outwards. Sorry to have been a bother, thanks for your time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 30 July 2009 (MDT)

== Appologies in Advance ==

For all the annoying MOIs past and future to fix little errors that i find in locked pages. --[[User:GaaaaaH|- GaaaaaH]] 05:03, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

:Not at all. It's good to know where problems are - they help improve D&D Wiki, so no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:23, 13 November 2009 (MST)

== Show/Hide ==

Is there a way to hide the contents of an article until the viewer clicks on a link... like a 'for DM's Eyes only' warning on adventure pages. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 11:29, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

:[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] has something to that effect on his user page. I don't know what in the coding makes it work like that, but it might be a place to start. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:32, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

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::Easily made into a template. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:42, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

:::Of course also take a look at [[Template:OGL Bottom]] (slightly different). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 13 November 2009 (MST)

== Gravity Warrior Edits ==

I just want to say two things:
# I put the breaks on the epic table, because otherwise the hit dice overlap with the table. In my personal opinion, that's one of the problems with the current preload.
# Under the advancement section, I changed it to rogue and monk, singular, as gravity warriors multiclass to '''become''' rogues/monks, but the multiclass '''into''' the rogue or monk classes.
I put this here because I don't want to start something (an edit war, so to speak), but I don't think either of those edits are correct, nor do I think the other grammar you changed was wrong; your changes were merely a matter of personal preference rather than right/wrong. You also took out a few commas, that with all due respect, were correct in their placement. Again, no disrespect intended, I just think those changes were mostly unneccessary, and in an instance or two, wrong. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:02, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

:I don't care about the second point you brought up (it just needs to follow the English grammar rules — other then that I do not care). However, do you use IE or FF? I run Ubuntu and for me the coding on the epic table looks fine. However, since I use Ubuntu, I cannot see how the coding would look like on IE. Also, since your table coding looks (about) the same it's proably fine. If, however, this is a problem for all the class pages when one uses IE do you think you could let me know? I would be more then willing to change the preload if it is a class-wide problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

::I'm using Safari (my laptop's a Mac), but I'll check on my family's home computer (Windows, has both IE and something else). And yes, it is a class-wide problem, at least with Safari. As far as the second point, I was pointing out that I felt I changed it to follow proper English grammar rules, and then you changed it to something that didn't agree (from what I have learned). That could be wrong, but English is my forte. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 19:36, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

== Wood Elves ==

Just a heads up, but according to the MM, Wood Elves' ability mods are +2 strength, +2 dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma.

The SRD wood elf page doesn't have the -2 to charisma.

-Eonir777

== Template Limitation Dates ==

I was hoping not to have to bother you directly with this, sir, but it has not been getting any attention by enough important people. I am moving the discussion page I created to here instead. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 12:30, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

:I was talking with Ganteka earlier today about this. Now, I know that when an article has the delete template, it is deleted after two weeks if no edits have been made. Now, as some may have noticed, I've been busy recently, at the end of June and now, with a large templating project. I've been putting stub, wikify, and delete on articles that need them.
:In the case of all templates that are not delete, Ganteka informed me they just sit there, perpetually, -unless- someone takes pity on them. With the templating project I've been working on, the category pages for these template may get bloated with a mountain of articles that never get attention.
:Now, since it is unreasonable to ask the people of the wiki to collectively clean up these articles any more than they already are, I propose this: A limitation date on articles with Stub or Wikify, funtioning similar to the cutoff for Delete. If no one attempts to salvage a page with Stub or Wikify in X amount of time, the template is changed to Delete, and then the article is on the final two-week deathwatch for someone to rescue it. This way, articles will, one way or another, not sit and rot in template categories other than Delete. This ensures that the artciles that are truly worth preserving are preserved, and articles that no one can be botherd to fix are alowed to die their quiet deaths.
:I propose that the cutoff time for articles with the Stub or Wikify templates be in the realm of two-to-six months.
:Discuss. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 22:20, 14 July 2009 (MDT)

::I've already been doing this, it's a good idea -- takes out the trash. Some stuff is "vaguely savable" I guess but if no one cares enough to actually save it I don't really want it on the wiki. --[[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:52, 14 July 2009 (MDT)

:::I've just been sticking the delete on things, figuring if someone wants them, fine, if not, they're better off deleted. That's probably not the best way to do things (which is why I've only done it with massively neglected articles), but it seems we all in accordance so one extent or another. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:07, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

::::To clarify: I'm talking about implementing a set, clearly defined, official, and universal(meaning everyone/anyone does this, not just one or two random people) policy to ensure that these articles are cleaned out regularly, the reason for this being the extensive templating I have been doing recently may overfill the categories, and then nothing gets done because no one will bother to look through to find fixable stuff. As said, I am thinking the set date for template-swapping could be somewhere from two to six months. In addition, swapping the templates should -only- be done if an article in question has zero edits for the set time period. What does everyone think about this? (making an official policy for this I mean, and this proposition is mainly being made to all the admins, as they are the ones who will ultimately decided this). --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 18:11, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::I started [[Template:Reviewing Template]] which (given some help) could ''potentially'' do what you are looking for. One could either build a bot based of time to change the templates (then this template would already be done - all that would need to be changed would be for [[Template:Delete]] to be added as another template option), or one could find or build an extension in MW which makes things be able to be based of time (my prefered option. Then like how [[Template:Delete]] currently does things with time could be reverse engineered to instead of displaying the time it was added display a countdown until the template dynamically changes to [[Template:Delete]] (and then the two week time limit would come up) — quite beautiful to be honest). The main issue with that right now if you look into this) is that [[template:Delete]]'s time thing is hard-coded into D&D Wiki's MW and not an extension (although solvable if one finds or builds a time extension for MW as I mentioned above). Also, continuing on with the problems with the second option, one would have to (I would willingly look into this) make a way to have [[Template:Delete]] show up as a catch-all template holder on [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. The easiest, messiest, and way which just adds another layer of people which need to work and no one which wants to do the mundane tasks like that would be to just manually change all the templates as their time comes up. This way would (in my opinion) just add another problem onto the problem though. So, if you know of an easy way to make any of these options to work let me know please (I don't mean to be frank or condescending with this last sentence here — I just meant to write a wrap up sentence). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:16, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::I don't know anything about coding or bots or what you're talking about. If I am not misunderstanding you, I didn't know there even was any actual coding time attached to the Delete template, I just thought is was only the official policy that articles are deleted after two weeks of no edits, even though that doesn't actually happen often. All I'm suggesting is that a similar official policy be applied to changing wikify and stub templates to delete. It doesn't matter how it's done; I just thought is was going to be a manual thing anyway, to be honest. And since this is not actual deletion or anything requiring mod or admin powers; -I- could change templates, if necessary. All I'm thinking of is having an official policy that says so. Nothing more.
::::::So, in that vein, what do you think? What should the time be? Two months of no edits? Six months? Something in between? Something else? {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|14:35, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::Ah, damn. So you would willingly take the third option. Personally I think if one uses the third option (as I mentioned above) a lot of problems will happen. Manually doing things like that is always a problem (in my opinion). Personally, if a time extension for MW is present, template switching could be made dynamic and [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] could be continued to be manual (so one looks over everything which gets deleted and one can not do malicious adding of [[Template:Delete]] onto finished pages, going unnoticed, and getting the page removed by a bot). On the time frame aspect I think that 1-2 months is a good indicator of inactivity on an article. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Honestly? I have no idea what you're talking about; about making stuff dynamic or whatever "MW" is. I don't know anything about this. And I don't understand how changing the templates manually will be a problem. I just know I am willing to do the changes manually and systematically if everyone else is too busy, and the policy is implemented.
::::::::And i think a time limted of two months/sixty days (fixing things move slow around here, sometimes) is a good time. {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|15:48, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::::No reason to get annoyed. MW is MediaWiki - the code base D&D Wiki is based on. One can add extensions to it to improve it (such as the dpl, SMW (Semantic MediaWiki - e.g. [[DnD Flaws]]), extensions etc). If an extension does something with time then we could make template switching dynamic (or maybe reverse engineer the hard code behind [[Template:Delete]]'s time thing to make an extension which could work). If you ''really'' do not want to talk about theoretical implications of a dynamic template reviewing system with the base template being [[Template:Delete]] then sorry. I think 2 months is fine if you want to do everything manually. Or one could just look at the article and decide again (since it would all be done manually anyway). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:56, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::I apologize, my above post was not meant to be in any annoyed tone. Curse ambiguous text.
::::::::::As for all the stuff that I "really" don't want to talk about...it's actually that I "really" don't know or understand it. I have not learned real coding yet, I have no idea what this coding thing you're trying to tell me is. I really wish I -did- know, but...I don't. So, getting off that note, two months sounds good. Do any other mods or admins need to weigh in on this? --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 16:15, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::You could organize the a userpage subsection of yours - until the dpl can be improved to make it work dynamic - into something related to <code><nowiki>[[User:TK-Squared/Shit That Needs Deleting]]</nowiki></code>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

== Undead Disciple ==

Hi, I've been working on a 3.5 class called the Undead Disciple and I'm worried its overpowered. Could you take a look at it please?--[[User:Knk42|Knk42]] 09:28, 2 August 2009 (MDT)

== 4e Demigods Breadcrumb? ==

Hate to bother you, but i am wondering if there is a breadcrumb for 4e demigods and if so what is it? Thanks for your time, [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 20:47, 4 August 2009 (MDT)

:There, I just made some for the deities section. [[Template:3.5e Demigod Deities Breadcrumb]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:36, 4 August 2009 (MDT)

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== What the Hell ==

You've had weeks to protest against the rating committee, something decided upon and agreed upon by virtually every active user here. And you wait until it all gets set up to suddenly decide to delete it? What the hell, yo? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:59, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:We are using logic here. The method above improves D&D Wiki's accessibility and that is key. Less pages mean less places for people to get confused on. I hope you understand - your way is faulty in logic. Please watch out or a ban could be in ordnance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::How exactly is 'my way faulty in logic'? Did you even read the pages and pages of text we've posted above about this issue? And why on earth would you respond ''now'' of all times by deleting what we've set up, instead of responding weeks ago? I think all of us have a right to be annoyed and angry for that reason alone. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:08, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Yes, of course I did. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::::We agreed almost unanimously that this quality censor was going to be for the good of this wiki. So I agree with the aforementioned complaint. Why would you suddenly override everybody involved and delete it? --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 22:12, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::You have stepped far over your bounds as a benevolent dictator; you've just gone right down into despotism. Unban Surgo; he didn't implement anything. He suggested it; he didn't create a new Author template, he didn't change the Spell template nor did he add the pages. If you want to ban someone; ban ME. I did all of that. I messed with your precious little templates in attempt to help the Wikipedia project for D&D. Don't do something stupid like that; banning me is fine; banning Surgo for that, is not. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 22:15, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

== Make Love, Not War ==

Time to put a nice little flower on that banhammer of yours, let's bury this hatchet and just...get along? --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:14, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

:I know, I am still thinking of hierarchy more. Since I was banned by another one of them I will wait to unban them until I hear more of the full story - from their side (emails, etc. I got a few just they have not explained why [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ended up banning me for a bit, etc)). I would say once both of those issues are resolved then I most likely unban them depending. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

::Well understandibly everyone is a bit sour of the matter. Those involved feel like an apology is due from you as the actions you took were unbalanced as a response to a simple talk-page arguement. The subsequent banning of all administrators, even those offline - those that were not involved - is not in my opinion a fair response in any situation. To prevent the loss of dedicated and active users who make up a considerable amount of the current contributions to the wiki I would advise perhaps admitting an overreaction to the matter would be approapriate to clear up this whole incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:45, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Right, I said once I deal with hierarchy (in my head for D&D Wiki) a bit more I will deal with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::In reference to the Aarnott banning (not to butt in, I was just present in the Tavern at the time) he was hoping you would take it as a hint to step back and "cool down", as many said in not so many words. He meant no offense by it, just was trying to send a message since talking through posting was ignored when it came to Surgo and Sulacu. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 01:16, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Just putting my 2 cents in. I haven't been very active on DnD Wiki this year but I've still tried to help on minor things where I can. I didn't even know you were banned.. Also, we have google ad's on here now? --[[User:118.208.168.99|118.208.168.99 (Sabre070)]] 01:37, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Right, but none should ''ever'' ban me (this is my website). Other then that I am trying out Google ads for a bit (layout and usefulness) to see if I like them or not and if they will stay on D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:25, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::I would think that lifting the ban on them now would not be too out of the question given that their user rights have been revoked (so it's not like they could ban you again). You don't necessarily have to give them back all their privledges, but keeping them banned seems somewhat excessive. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 17:48, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Acting as if you are the ''only'' contributor to this wiki at this moment will only lead to stagnation of the wiki along with a lack of administrators to moderate as well. To put it plainly, you've had a chance to redeem yourself to a good portion of the active users you've banned, but instead decided against doing so and have lost the respect and trust of those administrators even if they were not involved in the incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 19:01, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. Also they are admins once again; no worries on that end. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:30, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::What about the worry of you randomly banning people again for no good reason, offering no explanation as to why they were banned and then bringing the site down because of said banning? If I were them, I'd worry about that. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:34, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Alright, hopefully they understood. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::As one of the people banned, I'd say they don't. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:36, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:As another of those people (having been banned while offline and totally uninvolved, adding further bafflement to the situation), I'd agree with TK. You have offered absolutely no explanation of why we were banned and the site was taken down. To assume that we understand your motives simply by reading your ''silence'' is preposterous. There only explanation I can think of that justifies banning people who were not at all involved involves a murderous psycho who threatened you with death unless you banned us, and I think we can immediately rule that out. Therefore, you screwed up and we need concrete and uncompromisable assurance that you not only will not, but CAN not do this again. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::I have banned admins before - this is not the first time (I mean historically for short periods of time). This is ''literally'' my website; so I need no explanation. Also, if things to continue to happen as they have before, it could happen again. I was banned from my own website, the servers are probably 100 ft. away from me right now, I need no explanation in my head. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:40, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Well, that's it then. You told us before if we didn't like you and your arbitrary rules, to go make our own website. That's exactly what we did. Goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:53, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::Yup, you blew it. Ciao, tyrant. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:55, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Now we're on the subject, I would like to request the immediate and permanent deletion of every article in <nowiki>Category:User Sulacu</nowiki>. Kind regards, --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:06, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::: That is not ok. Undeserved disrespect is not ok. You disrespected us, and I am disappointed in you. this place was my home for awhile, and now I have to leave. I will not stand to be in a place where the people are unjustly disrespected. I once respected you, but now that respect is gone. And I must go too, goodbye.[[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 23:16, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::"Adopt me"? No. That is '''my''' work, and I'll not have other people taking credit for it. It is to be deleted, or at the very least my name to be kept on it and locked from all edits. --Daniel Draco 23:18, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::We can discuss this later. Personally I think it would be helpful for all people related here to take a break, wait maybe 10 hours, think about this what what you guys are saying, and then talk to me about it at that time. Also, deleting articles is never a good option (adoption or locking is a much better one, in my opinion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::We have thought about this for days, 10 more hours will do nothing. The stunt you pulled and then the complete lack of repentance you showed was absolutely, completely unacceptable. There is no "take a break, wait maybe 10 more hours". That time has long passed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:24, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::With or without the 10 hours, please put the author templates back on my pages and lock them. I can accept that they will remain on this website, but I don't want my work to be changed. Delete them or preserve them, but don't put them up for adoption. --Daniel Draco 23:27, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::In case you haven't been paying attention for the last four days, GD, your opinion is what's destroying your wiki, scattering your once-committed members to the four winds in search for stabler climes. Deleting these articles won't be the same as wiping them away for good, however. They simply won't be on ''your'' site anymore. And that's the way how many of us want it. Do not be so obtuse and please delete those articles, now. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::When I lock them (if you really so desire) I will look through the revision history for different edits at that time (to make sure they are your version). Also, [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], one must understand this is just a website (located on some servers) which I ''literally'' own. Anyway, [[User:Sulacu]] and [[User:Daniel Draco]] I will deal more about these pages, locking, deletion, or who knows what when I myself have a level head as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:31, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:There is a difference between being able to do something, and it being the right thing to do. Noone is saying you are unable to do what you wish. People are saying it's the WRONG thing to do. -DragonChild

::I think you are missing the point that this is dangerous for me as well. I got banned from D&D Wiki. This is my website. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Hello. I generally try to stay out of this 'website politics' bullshit because it all really is just bullshit. However, this time it really got me. Because the people that got banned for no reason now have your broken trust. You are no longer a level-headed impartial party, but instead it's a powerstruggle between you and the other admins that you promoted to help you ''improve your site''. All the admins have put a lot of work into helping you with the site and then you turn around and shit on their hard work by banning all of them, even the ones that weren't involved. I'm sure the ones that weren't even there when you did it don't understand why you did it, because they ''weren't there''. You might not feel like you need an answer 'in your head' but unfortunately for the rest us, 'in your head' isn't where we are so we don't know what's going on in there and expecting us to know is just ridiculous. The fact that you shit on your admins is enough, but taking the site down so that ''no one'' could access ''their'' work is completely asinine. As a user, and not even one of the ones affected by the ban, I still say that your behavior was entirely 110% uncalled for. I am dissapointed in you, as a site owner, you seem to have very little respect for your community, if any at all. If you want it to be ''your site'', then it truly will just be your site with no one else to share it with. Have fun with that, goodbye and I didn't contribute much, but I want all of my articles deleted. I have them elsewhere. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::You may "literally" own it, but the website lives and dies by your contributors. And now we have left because you took this "literal" ownership too far, ignored our opinions for too long, disrespected us too much, and threw one too many temper tantrums when something happened that you didn't like. That's it. The end. We are gone. We now have our own site that '''we''' literally own, not you. So goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::That is fine. Also, please take note, that one has to add [[Template:Delete]] to their articles on their own. I don't have time to work like that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:37, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::I do appreciate that you will lock my pages into my final version (which, indeed, is exactly what I desire). I would add the appropriate templates, but there are none. I would lock them myself, but you blocked me. So I would appreciate it if you would do it for me. --Daniel Draco 23:41, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::I will deal with locking and adminship later; as I explained above. Right now I do not have time to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::As a comment one can always change their mind - like with [[User:TK-Squared]] and his supposed leaving (although those pages still have yet to be restored - given time they will). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Very well, as per your wish, all my pages now have been put up for deletion. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:14, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Incorrect. Now the pages ''you'' want to delete are being processed the correct way through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. That's why I mentioned above about how you can always change your mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:16, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::: I am going to relate this incident and following "explanation" to a real-world incident that has a similar feel to it. Dictator #1 "owns" his "server". Therefore, Dictator #1 believes he's allowed to do whatever he wants in his "sever" and the people will have no say about the matter. He believes that the people are creating some form of rebellion, so he "bans" them. The only difference between your situation and Dictator #1's situation is that you had no rebellion. You simply... I don't know, freaked out, apparently at the fact two pages were made to begin an implementation process of something most of the active and contributing user base had supported.

:::::::::::Furthermore, you are a keen supporter of these "policies" that you have, although finding what exact policies you mean is a slight chore in itself, yet you find yourself exempt because you "own" the site. You have breached the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Administrator_conduct Administrator Conduct] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Misuse_of_administrative_tools Misuse of Administrative Tools] policies laid down in the Administrator's policy on Wikipedia. If you want to run your site like a wiki, stop trying to run it as though you're the grand tyrannical godking of all creation and maybe, JUST MAYBE, give a little respect to your userbase. This could be a revolutionary idea, but I hear it works well.
:::::::::::As for my so-called "leaving"; it's a bad example. My leaving was a joke, it's only point was for me to touch up some of my articles in an easier fashion. But, this time; it won't be a joke. I advise anyone wanting their articles to be deleted to add this template; <nowiki>{{delete|14th August 2009|This article is nominated for Speedy Deletion under [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Articles Article G7].}}</nowiki>.
:::::::::::Of course, my logic here for wanting explainations OBVIOUSLY is nowhere near as great as the "MY SITE I CAN DO WHAT I WANT" kind of mentality. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:28, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::We have not discussed if we want to implement speedy deletion or not, however your articles will get looked at in due time. Also you ''must'' remember this was not a power trip; I got banned from my own website. That calls for drastic measures (for the most part). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Drastic measures? If this site is going to hell in a bucket, maybe it's a good thing I've got my rewrites happening offline. Judging by the stability of this situation, I'd rather not my contributions be caught in the crossfire, and sooner or later I'm pretty sure one of you admins or another would overreact. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 12:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Green Dragon, you are a dumbass, you've just killed your own website, and don't even realize it. I would like for my pages to be locked in the same way that Daniel Draco's will be locked, except for the pseudonaught, which will be completed in due time, at which point, I request it be locked as well. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 12:39, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::When I have some spare time I will look into locking and deleting accordingly. Please noted that this does not mean that the admins are losing any privileges - if you know what I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:58, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::: What do you mean? (Adding the "if you know what I mean" makes it kinda ambiguous and not-understandable, I think ''':-3''') --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 13:02, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I might care to point out that you got banned from ''your website'' because ''you started banning everyone else first for no reason at all'' (Often referred to as a power trip). That is justifiable banning by Aarnott, your bannings were not justified. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 13:17, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I meant that after I had the issue sorted out I gave back everyone their privileges as given to them by the D&D Wiki community. Instead of going on the same annoying rants the whole time how about this. You must, one, be able to think (analyze things as well - like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&limit=500 Special:Blocklog]), and two be able to look at both sides of the issue. ''While'' doing both of these things you ''should'' notice what is going on. Other then that just stop talking to me - I have no time for stupidity. Also you should take a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&user=&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 Special:Userrightslog] to look at how the times correlate - then maybe all the people who simply cannot think can figure this out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Once again - I have no time for stupidity. If you want to respond I need you to ask an intellectual question and not just say things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:40, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::[[#What the Hell|Ahem]]. From the look of things, you didn't like something someone on "your" website was doing, despite the fact that it would help the website, and you sought to put an end to it. At which point people asked you why you were acting illogically against your own wiki's interest's, to which you replied "We are using logic here", being thoroughly infuriating. After this, without attempting to discuss the issue at hand, or provide any real reasoning to your side (which you are requesting we see things from without any information on), you banned people. Now then, from this, it should be clear that it's not that you banned people, it's the fact that you didn't listen to them. You blatantly ignored the people whose only interest was to help out "your" website. This is what makes you a dumbass. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 13:57, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Stay your big insults, Green. Our ears are not large enough to fit them. I don't care how stupid you think we are or how much of a genius you think yourself. Just look upon the barren wasteland of your site a few months from now and reap the seeds of your 'ingenuity'. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:38, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::The longterm success of D&Dwiki hinges on cooperation. Let us all remember that we're in this together.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:43, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::: Here's a little "intellectual question" that you have so-far avoided, probably because it's far too ILLOGICAL for you to contemplate. But, you have yet to answer WHY was Surgo banned? Why was Sulacu banned? And, lastly, why was I banned? There have been given no reasons for this and you have just gone on and on about... nothing. Every time you've said something, it's literally being saying NOTHING on the matter. Maybe if you answered one of the questions given to you rather than saying "OMG I WUZ BANND 4 N0 RSN"; because you weren't, I was. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 17:10, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::: Morning. I've only been on your wiki for a very, very short time, but I liked it very much. And now I see that a lot of contributors, in both data and actions, just leave. That sucks. The withdrawal of their past and/or future ocntributions is a very bad thing for the health and diversity of this wiki. So, I understand you "own" the site, that's nice. And I do have to agree with you on some points, firstly that you do have the final say in whatever happens on this site. You own it. They probably shouldn't have banned you, and I can understand that could make you very upset. The other thing I agree on, one of your earlier points, is that anyone is free to leave and go to another wiki. And now, since mainly admins -by definition relatively powerful members of the community- were involved in this struggle, and were grieved in it, a lot of the most useful contributors are leaving your site, along with a sizable amount of regular users. This is not in the best interest of your wiki.

::::::::::: Now, I'd just wish it'd all clear up and you guys merge again in one wiki, but I don't think that's going to happen. it would be what is best for the wiki and the community behind it, but I guess all people involved are too busy complaining. I think what the admins want is an apology and an explanation worthy of someone more than three years old, because while you do own the wiki, you do not own the community. On the other hand, I think you want to have the last word in whatever happens, making sure nothing happens to your wiki without your knowledge and approval. While this may not be healthy for the site, it is understandablr, and it would only require that any major change would be run past you, and that you are involved in planning and executing any such major change. I think this would not be too much to be asked from the admins. However, you'd still need to explain why something should be implemented or not, because the amount of work put into it by one party should elicit an equal or similar amount of work to negate it. Anyway, what if both parties just state what they'd want, instead of my guesswork? Is there still hope?

::::::::::::{{quote|Is there still hope?}}
::::::::::::The short answer is no. Those of us who are leaving no longer have anything we want from Green Dragon, we no longer have any demands, and there is nothing he can do to regain our trust. We have made our decision, and there is absolutely no possibility that we will come back. I cannot stress this enough: '''it's too late'''. Green Dragon has lost a large chunk of his active userbase, and you are absolutely free to join us in our new wiki. Out of courtesy to Green Dragon, I will not link the new wiki on this site; however, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for the link. --Daniel Draco 07:30, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

== The Tavern ==

If you don't mind, please come to the tavern. Things must be discussed. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 15:21, 12 August 2009 (MDT)

== Google Ads ==
Will the wiki be trying to alleviate operation costs permanently with the new ads? Just curious. I know it had been a bit since the last fundraiser.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 23:00, 15 August 2009 (MDT)

:A question I have. I'm not sure how these are appearing to others, but I'm not getting the typical Google Smart Ads that put up something similar. I'm just getting random junk ads (i.e. for Solar Power or Natural Herbs). I would think Smart Ads that put up D&D like stuff would get more clicks and thus more money coming in. I don't know how they run it, it just surprised me that it wasn't a "smart ads" type of program. I'm seeing smart ads on the normal pages - it looks like its mainly the login/logoff pages and pages being editted that just throw up a random thing.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:14, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

== An attempt to help you maintain your patrons ==

I feel it neccessary to speak up at least once on all of this bullshit. I am only reading about this whole 'power struggle', but from what I have seen, you have been totally unreasonable. The admins of your site wanted to improve it (as there ARE way too many 'dambass' pages floating around), and you seemed to be taking well to their ideas (putting your own spin on it, but staying with the general idea). Then when they began to impliment said actions (which you agreed on), you shot it down, claiming it was illogical. You yourself agreed to this illogical action. Then when ONE arrogant moron of an admin bans you from your site (which I agree was totally uncalled for), you end all adminship and close the site. Then you proceed to go into full-on tyrant mode. Now, you ask for an intelligent question, here; I understand temporarily revoking all admin rights until you sorted it out, to avoid being banned again. But why shut down the site for ANY period of time, in consequence punishing the little-folk for one morons actions? You really do need to help us to understand what is going on in your head. If you can do this without throwing some sort of an insult at someone, you may have a chance at saving your site. But at the rate these talks are going, you are going to lose not only the majority of your patrons, but also 9/10ths of your homebrew material. I love this site and the immense material that it holds, but if you continue on your current path, I am sorry to say that I will be one of the ones that leaves for the greener pastures of the newly created site. I do hope you chafe course and help us to understand what is going on in your head tho. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 00:50, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

: Just wanted to speak up, it's true that it ''did'' inconvenience us "little folk" when the site went down. That same day I had wanted to show someone my guide for a game they had the same day to show them the basics of character building, but was unable to due to the site being completely down and short messages taking its place. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:54, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

:: Er... Aarnott is not a moron. What he did was in line with the Wikipedia policies that this site adheres to and was meant to tell Green Dragon that he was acting way out of line. The act, itself, was perfectly called for; Green Dragon was banning people attempting to talk to him about what he'd done and, by extrapolating from this sequence of events, it's safe to say that saying "wtf r u doin" on his talk page would have gotten Aarnott banned as well, in whatever kind of blind fury that had overtaken Green Dragon.
:: As noted, Sabreheim's post is completely misinformed, then. The site probably won't lose most of it's good homebrew material because Green Dragon probably won't let it happen; nevermind he's done it before, he doesn't seem to be accepting Speedy Deletion (again, part of the policies he's noted this wiki adheres to, time and time again), this is probably due to his realization that people ARE leaving and he doesn't want to lose traffic or articles. Maybe someone should have thought about that before... --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:35, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

== Thank You! ==

I just wanted to say thank you for the welcome and mention that I hope my presence here can help the community. :) I have some homebrew items to add that I'm not sure how to make up---the HTML here is tricky---but I will be going over the editing pages to find out how to add them. One final thing, though: Where would diseases go on the Wiki? I have quite a few medieval illness piled up and would like to add them. [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 03:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:I made a new section: [[3.5e Diseases]]. I would love to hear what you think about it or what could be improved with it (if needed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::The page is good, though I am having a difficult time trying to figure out what a naturally-caused disease (bacterial, viral, etc) would be in the scheme of Su, Ps, Sp or Ex. I'm going to mark it as Ex for the moment, unless you can somehow change that to include Nd or Na for "Naturally occuring diseases" (though I am aware this would involve adding a new page to the homebrew to explain away the natural aspects). As for the explanation of the disease, I'll have to look them up again, heh. It looks great and thanks again! [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 12:50, 20 September 2009 (MDT)

== Permissions Issue ==

I have an issue maintaining the SRD. I've lost the ability to edit. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:40, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:Ah, you must have missed the wikipocalypse. There is a very good summary of it [[User talk:Calidore_Chase#To_recap|here]]. If you want a link to the new wiki, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for it. --Daniel Draco 13:08, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::I'll give them back soon. Sorry I just had an issue with the backend of D&D Wiki (and a bit of the frontend as well) and as a result permissions were changed (for the moment I am the only bureaucrat and only admin). I'll give them back in a few days, I'm just letting things calm down a bit, etc. If you need them now (I trust you enough) could you let me know please within a few hours? I am going to drive for a few days and will not have internet for a bit; so if you let me know sooner then later I will have time to give them back to you. Also I am going to keep it with me being the only bureaucrat; just so you know. But I will give back all the admin privileges soon (or now - depending). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::: So... basically this wiki will go unadmined for a few days? >_> I've reverted vandalism on at least 2 pages (don't remember if I did others) and the offender wasn't blocked. If you're away or aren't keeping watch on the wiki, at the very least assign people who will block vandals, take on administrative duties, and so on? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I know. I have been re-thinking about which admins I can trust on D&D Wiki and am not positive if I want to give back admin rights now and/or to whom. Although I see what you mean. I will post another thing before I head off a bit after I think about it a bit more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:55, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I will have internet once again around the 19thish. I'll (for the moment) keep userrights how they are - although probably on the 19th or 20th I will reinstate them. If people would not mind please keep an eye out for vandals (and thanks already [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] for doing so). And sorry about that SRD issue - I hope waiting a few days will work as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::I can wait until the bullets stop flying. When I get time, I'll wade through the vast arguments going. I only look at SRD changes on a daily basis, so I am amazingly ignorant of the recent iconoclasm. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:55, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Alright. Also I will give permissions back when things have calmed down; no need to worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

==Professionalism==

Hmm, lots of chatter these days about admin drama. Even us little-known users have taken notice. Looks like a few admins are displeased. We little-known users hope this minor conflict will all be resolved soon. I myself would like to thank GreenDragon for cancelling the Rating Group idea. IMO it was a thoughtful decision. I would also like to thank all Admins for the great work they do and have done on behalf of the community. Thank you all Admins for your wonderful ideas and contributions. We small-town users look forward the resolution of this minor conflict of interest. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:The problem is that he ''didn't'' cancel it. He stated that he didn't like idea. He never vetoed it. He never said that he was putting any authority into his disagreement. All disagreement he stated was phrased conversationally. It wasn't until he '''''banned''''' TK-Squared for starting to implement it that we had any indication that he was giving it an official "no". Using such an aggressive action as a ban as the first indication of a veto is, in my opinion, not professional at all.
:I would also like to point out that the issue has been resolved. The resolution is that those of us who don't feel that we can trust Green Dragon anymore have moved to a new wiki (which I will gladly link to you [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|via private means of communication]]). --Daniel Draco 16:02, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

==Vandalism==
I have reason to believe that TK has resorted to vandalism[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=TK-Squared&namespace=&year=&month=-1] in his disgust with you. Admins have better ability to control this than I, and I really don't feel like running around in circular thought with an individual anymore. Could you try to step in on this? Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:23, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

: Shame he saw fit to demote all his System Operators because of his tantrum, ain't it? I sure could just get Surgo down here right now to do something about it. What a shame, looks like I get to do what I want with my work, eh? Now, stop vandalising my pages. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:26, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::You realize that your above statement just proves your own childishness. Maybe Green Dragon was wrong to begin with, but now he is fully justified. D&Dwiki is a collaborative effort. You have repeatedly refused to collaborate with other individuals. This should be the final straw. GD, if available, I would like to open up a Request for Ban on TK.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:28, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::: You're not quite getting it, are you? The Ratings Committee? That was a "collaborative effort". Quite a few people agreed on it, so I went about helping realize the dream. So, where was the "community" when Green Dragon said "No, you're banned for doing this"? I don't know; maybe you're feigning ignorance or maybe this internet is REALLY getting to you, you throw around thinks like "being childish" and "your argument now sux" and "refusal to collaborate with others".
::: And it's hilarious. This entire thing; hilarious. Especially since Green Dragon's gone for 2-3 days. Dear, oh dear. Looks like I'll actually have control over my own creations, what a novelty. Chill out, relax. Play some b-ball outside-a school. Would you have your oral orifice so wrapped if you were banned during the tantrum? Dear, oh dear. But, at least you've stopped vandalising my pages. Chin chin, old chap. --18:36, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::The thing is Liam, I do understand, and I personally feel like GD overstepped and was wrong too. You know how you win in a situation like this? Obviously not, because devolving into vandalism kills any argument you had. Now you're no better than what you said he was, and you have no high ground to stand on. Revert to your typical "e-bullying" trying to make yourself feel better, but I'm not impressed. You reacted incorrectly to the situation, and for as much as you talk about being mature, you repeatedly showcase that you are not. I require no response from you, good day.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:41, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::: Yeah, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikihounding#Posting_of_personal_information Liam]. I'd like to request a ban from George here for calling me weird names. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:54, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::You admitted your identity in the Tavern smart one (remember, I'm the one who combs through the Tavern histories!). Freely given information may be freely repeated. Those who lose their sense of anonymity tend to lose their e-peen bullying nature as well.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:01, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::: So... are we using wikipedia policies? Or not? Or only when it's convenient? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 19:02, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::: All my actions are within the Wikipedia Policies. Please brush up, Timothy. Furthermore, oh no; my name is been revealed. OH SHIT, IF ONLY PEOPLE DIDN'T FIND OUT I'm LIAM BENJAMIN WHITE. Oh wait. Nice try, Hooper, nice try. But, you're still not funny enough; try to add some irony or wit! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:09, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Sure, your last name is "[[w:Dodds_(surname)|White]]." Sure thing. Yawn.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:12, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::: Sure is. Why? Worried someone lied on the internet? Should have your stalking up to date, buddy. I saw what you tried to do with the yawn there, but it just didn't have any kick to it. I mean, I know being funny doesn't come natural to some people (unlike myself, of course), but at least try. Go on, put some effort into it, George. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:18, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::I second [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]]'s thoughts above. (Sorry Ghost, just saw that).  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:21, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::Woah, sorry about that. Got called away to do some cool stuff, etc. Anyway, as I was saying; you've got to try to be funnier. If you get a few jokes in, a few witty quips and maybe touch on some irony, you'll loosen up, y'know. Also, still doing Hunter? I tried Hunter once, got to 40 and changed from BM to Marksman. Totally a mistake, I think, and stopped playing it. Oh, and, er... Stop agreeing with people, or something. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:45, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Wow, [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] I think you need a break. First off insults are not a good option, stalking is not a good option, and overall I think you need to take a break for a bit. I think (instead of posting things all the time) you should spend 30 minutes thinking about the rating commitie thing (and what it could mean), that websites have backends, and that some people are shit as people. After that maybe you should post; keeping in mind civility. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:18, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

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:What, exactly (and I mean that), is your objection to the Rating Committee? I was not as for it as others, but it did seem like a step in the right direction, so I'm curious as to why you are so adamantly opposed to it. And please don't call me stupid for calling it a step in the right direction, I just want to know why you hate it so. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:38, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

::First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content). Other then that reason there is no reason for a committee; one can also find people and email then about things to keep everything in check or to check articles for completeness in any case. Adding a fake hierarchical tier onto D&D Wiki for no reason is pointless and counterproductive in my mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

:::"First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content)."
:::I feel the need to point out here that this claim is completely unsubstantiated. If, to quote you, "we use logic here", then statements must be proven in order to be accepted as truth (according to the very definition of logic). --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 00:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::: I've had disagreements with several other users as to what's "balanced" or not. If there was such a committee, would it make my comments worth less than those of people who were on the committee? Would they be disregarded out of hand? Who would make sure they weren't? What if the committee couldn't disagree on what's balanced? Why should they have the primary say in what's balanced and what isn't? As human beings, we're all biased. On a public forum such as this where everyone should be equal, it doesn't feel right that there are those who count for more--the obvious exception being admins of course, since admin duties require a level of authority beyond that of general users for locking pages, blocking vandalists, etc. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:06, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I have a few thoughts on the matter, some of which are in accordance with what you (Green Dragon) just professed, other that are not.
:::::#I agree that the template system is advantageous in that anyone can apply templates, but if the two systems have different goals (read on) the superiority of the template reviewing process should be expected.
:::::#With that said, there's no reason why the two systems could not exist side by side. The template reviewing system exists to bring articles up to an acceptable quality (improvement), while a rating committee would exist to acknowledge articles of superior quality (recognition). That's what I think the rating committee idea was at least in part about. There are thousands of 'useable' articles on the wiki, yet we have had only five featured articles (one of which, [[Cassia (3.5e Deity)|Cassia]], we seemed to agree was not really FA quality). To put it in a more tame light, a rating committee would be a compromise between the five featured articles in existence and a mountain of unsorted mediocrity.
:::::#You say fake hierarchical tier... given that some of the users in question were just that, users, you have a point, and I understand your concern. But if you were to have a category or rank for these users, such as sysop or moderator, or whatever (something other than generic user--pardon my unfamiliarity with the subject matter) then said hierarchy would not be fake, but rather real. If such status were obtained the same way as a Request for Adminship and could be lost in the same manner, that would mitigate a few of the concerns, I think. Having certain limitations or requirements, such as a mandatory X articles reviewed per month but no more than Y nominations per month would ensure an activity level that the template reviewing system can only dream of. Committee members could be exempt at times due to other responsibilities (i.e. life), but you get the idea. There's nothing that creates interest like progress. Knowing your article is in queue for a look over by someone relatively well-respected within the community--it gives an incentive that the template reviewing process cannot really emulate.
:::::#As for the reasoning for such a committee, well it's really about recognition, isn't it? We are all on here for various reasons, whether is to share our own ideas or to borrow from those of others, but I don't think anyone posts anything in that hope that it sits ignored for all eternity. That's the other nice thing about a rating committee, that it could recognize more than our numerical class rating system can. Flaws, feats, weapon enhancements, whatever: ingenuity rewarded wherever it may be found, not just in a select area that commands variable levels of interest from different users.
:::::In conclusion, I'm not sure that such a system would work now even if you were to endorse it, because to be frank, there aren't that many users here I would trust with that power (and let's face it, that's what it is, and you are right to be cautious with how such authority is distributed). Anyway, like the disenchanted and departed members of the wiki maintained, this was supposed to be in the best interests of the wiki. There's no reason you couldn't give it a trial run and see how you, and the community at large, like it. I will address Ghostwheel's just added concern in a moment, but right now I want to get this up for consideration. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:10, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::@Ghostwheel: to answer your concern, you have balance points. That way, Tome classes can be well-received within their own vacuum, and so can other classes with more orthodox power levels. My other thought would be that the committee wouldn't look over each submitted article as a whole (that would take far too long), but rather one person would review an article, and it would be taking off the waiting list. If the article's author was unsatisfied, they could re-submit it, and when it's time came it would have to be reviewed by a different committee member than the original reviewer. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:17, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::: If it's as you described it, it seems more like a committee whose purpose is finding articles, making sure their quality (not balance) is up to snuff, and potentially making them featured articles--that doesn't sound bad in the least. However, about Tome classes being in their own vacuum, perhaps we should make some sort of template for tome classes that adds the caveat explaining in what sort of environment the Tome classes were made for--that is, one in which all the clerics use DMM to buff themselves to incredible heights, the wizards are gods, and druids roam the landscape (if I'm understanding correctly). That said, [[Jester_(3.5e_Class)|there]] [[Thief-Acrobat_(3.5e_Class)|are]] [[Assassin,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|a]] [[Monk,_Tome_(DnD_Class)|few]] [[Knight,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome]] [[Fighter,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|classes]] [[Shadowdancer,_Tome_(DnD_Prestige_Class)|that]] feel balanced for the most part, even in games that don't use [[User:Ghostwheel/3.x_Banned_List|cheesy]] (at least IMO) material. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::To be frank, balance is a part of quality. But as you say, the goal of a rating committee would be to, in my mind, find quality articles, not balanced ones (although as I say, the two do tend to go hand in hand). For classes, I would say that [[User:Jota#Ratings|anything I rate a 17 or above]] on the current scale would get my vote (were I on such a committee), which includes articles for which I have had some reservations about their power. A 12.50 or so out of 15 (no flavor/formatting) might also suffice. Other material is a little different, but that's all semantics right now. As for your other idea, talk of something similar happened in the past, although it was never implemented. Part of the reason was the disclaimer was incorrect, since Tome material is not the explicit creation of solely Frank and K: -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:11, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::[[Template:Frank and K material]]

::::::::: Hmmm... perhaps it might simply be worded differently? Something along the lines of, "This page contains materials based on the original work created by Frank & K. As such, it has been made with the concept in mind that a character of a certain level should be able to take on creatures with a CR equal to their level without much trouble, as well as assuming a certain power level of all characters, and is balanced in a way as to allow for this."
::::::::: However, even with this I'm unsure if it would work, since many people wouldn't understand exactly what this meant--that clerics go crazy with DMM, wizards go before everyone else with Celerity, and druids become bears that fly around, summoning whirlwinds and shooting fire from their eyes, so without some sort of explanation somewhere just that might be problematic.
::::::::: Also, even that text is misleading; for me, ToB + XPH material is where I find my "sweet spot" for balance, and many of the classes presented there (no, I don't mean the Soulknife) are able to take down a monster of their CR (though the CR guidelines have their own problems, but let's not get sidetracked too far) without too much trouble, especially under ideal conditions. Yet these classes are underpowered compared to some of the classes (I'm especially looking at you, Prestige Classes) published under Tome material, which leads to some discrepancy in what we said before. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 01:21, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Perhaps those classes were made with the idea in mind that no prestige class levels would be taken (Tome Barbarian, for example). Most base classes that are not Tome material seem inferior to prestige classes once those PrC's are accessible, given that for many PrC's you can acquire many of the same benefits that the base class would grant you (bonus spell levels for casters, etc.) while also providing unique abilities. Under such an assumption, why would you ever take levels in a base class (say, wizard) again after you have reached the requirements for a desired PrC? As a result, the aforementioned Tome Barbarian is loaded with powerful abilities so that it can be competitive at every level with a prestige-classed wizard even if the player took Tome Barbarian at every level. It's an incentive to go all the way to level 20, which is something that rarely seems to be done with most SRD classes. So, yeah, they probably seem overpowered, at least compared to the SRD Classes that many supporters of Tome material consider so weak that they're almost ineffectual at high levels. Now, this doesn't always seem to be the case with Tome material (in the case of classes that are shortened to 15 levels to allow, one would guess, for PrC advancement).
::::::::::I'm not sure if I was on base with that at all; my head is still whirring from reading the rest of the conversation thus far. Pardon me if I was mistaken. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 06:28, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

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: Close, but not quite what I meant when I mentioned Prestige Classes. You can see my personal philosophy on prestige classes [[Talk:Magus_Portalus_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|here]] (bottom-most post there currently); thus, prestige classes [[Ninja_of_Gax_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|that]] [[Paladin_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|give]] [[Defiler_of_Temples_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|you]] [[Seeker_of_the_Lost_Wizard_Traditions_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|casting]] without really losing anything, or having prereqs that force you to sacrifice something don't sit well with me. Straight wizards and clerics are powerful enough as-is without PrC abilities; adding PrCs make them even stronger, which causes imbalance. Do you get what I'm trying to say? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 12:20, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::Ah, I see. The tome PrC's essentially are unbalanced because every level adds bonus spellcasting as well as class features (therefore, if they alternated between class features and spellcasting levels, they would be more balanced)? It makes sense, but I'm not 100% sure I agree. I can't really make a rebuttal at this time, but I'll give it some thought. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 14:25, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::If they lost even 1 level of spellcasting at 1st level of the PrC, I'd probably say they were a lot more balanced, since then at least they're losing ''something'' to gain all the yummy class features. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:27, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I agree [[User:Jota|Jota]]. Someone (if desirable) should contact MW and see if they could make it so one could make new userprivilege groups (like what you are talking about). I thought about this at the time however I am not positive if MW would ever make that change.
::::Also, here everyone goes who wanted to be part of some fake committee. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]], [[User:Rithaniel|Rithaniel]], [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]], [[User:Jota|Jota]], [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]], [[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]], [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]], and [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] (if you guys can only think this small) I appoint you to FA reviewers!!!!! Feel free to nominate articles for FA status, review them for FA status, etc etc. HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK!!! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::(don't worry everyone else - there is no need to be appointed - only a need to know enough about D&D). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::GD, I assume you're being sarcastic? In addition, some of the people you're yelling at had nothing to do with this. They're people I, personally, nomianted, some of which had never even heard about the RC idea. Thus, I hope you don't plan on taking more retaliatory action on the list as a whole. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:42, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Insubstantially patronizing us, eh GD? That's a fantastic way to get back on our good sides. Note the sarcastic tone in my voice.
:::::::I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly.
:::::::Also, if you're going to elevate yourself above the rest of us, that makes you not just the owner, but also the de facto leader. As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously. Your last comment displayed neither, and in fact displayed the exact opposites of those needed qualities. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 06:28, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances. Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee. At this time one cannot. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::I really like the way Green Dragon runs this site. Its like the military. Have a problem? Then the answer is: "To bad. Lifes not fair. Suck it." For guys like me, this makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work Green Dragon. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:18, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

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:There are two possibilities there:
:#The internet is a poor medium for sarcasm.
:#You must be oxygen-deprived from receiving a white dragon from Green Dragon. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 20:25, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

::@Jay Freedman: Ah, but this is not the military. And even a military setting, without the active participation and satisfaction of the individual the whole will wither and die. To continue your military analogy, this would be like if the sergeant of a company ordered all of his men to charge blindly at a superior enemy with no sound reasoning. The veteran members, sensing flaws in the sergeant's plan, desert quickly after realizing that nothing will change their superior's mind and take all their weapons and ammunition with them. The rest of the company is left with what they have, but without veteran leadership their performance will suffer.

::Poor example aside, let me just say that while GD may have been right in being angry at being banned from his own site, the other admins were in effect pushed towards those measures by repeated occurences of GD punishing those who were only acting in what they had collectively agreed to be the Wiki's best interests (since there has already been a huge quarrel on this issue I will try to speak no more of it). The point is, the site is pretty much irrevocably fractured, with basically the entire trusted user base (some exceptions exist) gone within a period of a few days. Even some who have elected to stay are still left without the admins who helped make this Wiki a better site as well as without a seriously reasonable and unbiased explanation of why the conflict took place (most people who have been reading up on this know that it's pretty much because of the conflict over a possible Ratings Committee proposal, but others who were not involved in said conflict were banned as well).

::As the situation stands presently, there is now a rival Wiki comprising the users who are attempting to form their own vision of D&D Wiki without Green Dragon. There is also a huge pile-up of junk pages and dumb IP edits since none of the admins are left to monitor the day-to-day activities of the Wiki (while he may be the owner of this site, Green is to the extent of my knowledge only one person and can only do so much). In that sense, things now seem in a pretty bad state. How can you concievably call that a good way to run any website, let alone one that basically depends on the contributions of its users for appeal? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 20:57, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

== Daniel Draco's Counterpoints ==

I would like to point out to everyone that GD has once again banned me, for a period of one day, on the basis of my last comment, which he categorized as "Intimidating behaviour/harassment". So, first, my rebuttal:
* CHAPTER ONE -- "Whine Kampf"
:* "As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously." ''--me''
:* "One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances." ''--Green Dragon''
:* Huh. Really. Alright, hypothetical situation. Metaphor Incorporated1 is a company2 of moderate size, with happy, active, and loyal staff3. Its CEO4, Sue d'Nim5, has always been capable and at least somewhat reasonable in her6 job. One day, a client7 does something that she6 disagrees with, but which her6 staff3 thought was a good idea. In an action that is universally seen as irrational8, she6 put all her6 staff3 on suspension for an indefinite period of time, regardless of whether or not they were involved. When finally they regain the ability to communicate with her6, Sue d'Nim5 refuses to offer any explanation or apology for her6 words and actions, which continue to be generally irrational8. Fed up with her6 ridiculously inappropriate actions, a leader emerges among the disgruntled staff3: Lee Dur9. He goes off to found a new company2, Metaphors Unlimited10, bringing along with him a good portion of the staff3 and clients7, leaving Sue d'Nim5 behind. The end. Now tell me, if Sue d'Nim5 had been respectful and professional, would she6 have lost so much?
:* Footnotes:
:# The D&D Wiki
:# website
:# admin(s)
:# owner
:# Green Dragon
:# his/he/him
:# user(s)
:# psychotic
:# Surgo
:# Dungeons and Dragons Wiki

* CHAPTER TWO -- "Brain (Dis-)Trust"
:* "I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly." ''--me''
:* "Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee." ''--Green Dragon''
:* "committee: a body of persons delegated to consider, investigate, take action on, or report on some matter" ''--Merriam-Webster''
:* "Assuming we are all persons: had the committee actually formed, we would have been delegated (assigned responsibility and authority) to take action on rating articles; therefore, we would have been a committee." ''--the core principles of logic''
* CONCLUSION
:* I would like to point out that I am fully aware that this post is, somewhat ironically, disrespectful and unprofessional. The differences are that 1) I am not the owner of the site and 2) I have not taken any substantial action with this post, where a substantial action is something such as banning every admin. --Daniel Draco 22:06, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

: Oh, so it's ''Surgo'' who runs the new site? Well, forget ''that'', then. I could barely stand his manner when he was admin... I think I'll stay. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 14:39, 22 August 2009 (MDT)

::Wow, it's been a while since I posted here. I haven't really kept up on everything that has been going on, but I don't think my lack of reading is relevant to replying to your comment, Mythos. Surgo is a very good admin for the new wiki. I had my reservations about him before because he can come off as an abrasive individual, but he has really stepped up and done an excellent job. To me, there doesn't even seem to be a choice anymore, however. One stray comment here will randomly provoke a ban (this will probably be my last comment here anyways, so I'm not too concerned about speaking up).

::Surgo doesn't have any interest in leveraging the fact that it is "his website" to get his way. It isn't even hosted by him: he wouldn't even have any grounds to do that if he tried. In fact, there is someone Surgo reports to (so to speak) that if he started acting out of line like a supreme dictator, the community could go this other person to instead of being at his mercy. I don't know about you, but the thought of losing 2 years of my dedication and work at the whim of one person that '''bans people for trying to discuss things rationally''' seems like a bad idea.

::It's not going to make a huge difference to me one way or another if you decide to come to the new wiki or not. I just hope that anyone who thinks "bleck, Surgo is terrible" '''considers carefully''' the choice that they are making. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:59, 23 August 2009 (MDT)

:::And, as always, I will gladly give the link to anyone [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|privately]]. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:57, 23 August 2009 (MDT)

== Editing someone else's homebrew class ==

You may have noticed that I've taken an interest in the jewelmancer class, and it seems to have been abandoned by it's creator, but not marked for deletion (therefore un-open to adoption). I just want to be sure that I won't be causing any problems if I make extensive edits like what I posted on the discussion page. I've read the wiki behaviour guidelines, but I know that there tends to be certain customs in groups that aren't always spelled out, so I figured I would ask before hand to be sure I don't cause any trouble. I'm also new to doing such intensive edits on a wiki page, and perhaps a bit shy about it. Thank you for your time.

== Your New Adoption Policy ==

If I can get the original author to agree, or even if that isn't that case, could pages liked TK-Squared's, and whomever wants their material deleted simply be locked instead of removing the author template and putting them up for adoption? I say this because you have [[User:Jeeves|some ignorant asshole]] running around changing things that other people liked and rated highly into something entirely different. I can understand your desire to keep this material because most of it is pretty good, but I think if you want to do that it would be better to lock it with the original author template rather than put these things up for adoption. Most of them are finished anyway, so it's not like you'd be locking something half-completed. Afterward they can be maintained in the same manner that Dmilewski maintains the SRD: post it on a talk page, and an admin can make the requisite corrections. My big issue with this is credit where credit is not due. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 06:56, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:I find it interesting that a user pops up immediately after the adoption thing comes up, and is very knowledgeable in the workings of the wiki. I hate to cast doubt on anyone, and would love to be proven wrong, but I feel like the user may be someone else trying to abuse or make little of the adoption change. Just thoughts.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 08:01, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::Wow, play nice guys. Maybe this chap could become a big contributor to the wiki. Ain't stuff here always submitted with the warning "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." I mean he did adopt the stuff legit. Of course, I have noticed his idea's of balance are different. But that could be a good thing right? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:17, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Yeah, after re-reading the above I came across wrong. I just want us to be cautious after recent events, to make sure people don't try to sabotage anything. But after re-reading this particular persons contribs, I actually personally agree with some of the changes. Mostly seems legit, just different from the original author's intent. That is going to be a touchy subject. Personally I'll play it safe and just make variants if I want to change something, to try to keep the peace.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:42, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::: While I am not entirely pleased with these gross and misinformed edits on my once-beautiful and nigh-perfect creations, I suppose attempting to do anything about it would only allow me to revel in the backlash from ardent "supporters", although not the exact word I planned to use, of Green Dragon's nigh-despotic regime, so I'll do simply what I can.

:::: All pages "adopted" by Jeeves that were once my creations or were adopted previously by me '''do not''' have my permission to be redistributed/altered (kept on this wiki) under the title that I published them in, include all previous revisions. This is my right as the original creator of the material under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (GFDL) and cannot be argued with (GFDL Section 4, Subsection A). Furthermore, I expect an exact copy of all my previous versions to be kept in the history, otherwise this will contravene the GFDL Section 4, Subsection I.

:::: This should be done quickly and with efficiency. I do not include the adoption of my articles by Jota at this current time, since he has not made any edits to them and they are, essentially, still my work and have not been redistributed and/or altered. Thanking you for your swift compliance with my wishes. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:39, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::TK, as long as the history of an active page is shown - it meets all the requirements. You may be misinterpreting that bit of the text of License. There was even a wikipedia arbitration case on the matter way back in the day. Plus, you didn't catch this part: ''"You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the copies you make or distribute."''. Not saying I agree either way, just putting it here.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:47, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

{{quote|A. Use in the Title Page (and on the covers, if any) a title distinct from that of the Document, and from those of previous versions (which should, if there were any, be listed in the History section of the Document). ''You may use the same title as a previous version if the original publisher of that version gives permission.''|orig=[http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GNU Free Distribution License]]}}

:::::: --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:51, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::The wording of that bit doesn't make sense in regards to wikis, it is very ambiguous. Does it mean previous version of the same page, or previously deleted page by the same title? Two different things. Hmmm. Looking into.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:55, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Reading legal text is like running in circles. Or nascar. But after reading and going through support pages on it, it appears like its basically right. But it has never had to been enforced because people either outright delete the pages or they just move the page to a new page name, both of which are legal apparently. Odd. GNU Free is about four legal loopholes away from public domain.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 14:22, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::To touch on another thing, could you please expound on why Sulacu's name should be removed from the deviant page? I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:11, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::You cannot license that license. We use the GNU FDL not the GFLD. -- [User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:13, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::this: ::::::::::The "GFDL" '''is''' the [[GNU Free Documentation License]]. Your latest edits violate section 4, part B, of that license (which all the content on this wiki is licensed under). -- {{User:Wolf_Dancer|Wolf_Dancer]] 9:20, 25 August.

:::::::::::Oh, that. It's called the history tab - I am not sure if you have ever heard about it or not. Like on Wikipedia (pretty sure). Sorry, I thought you were talking about the GGPL; above I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:31, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:When you say 'you cannot license that license'... are you referring to me? I'm still not sure you've answer my question... -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:36, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::History tab. Wikipedia does not even use authors; fyi. And they use the same license. I please say do not talk if you do not know what you are talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:41, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::You don't need authors to present facts. No one invents a fact, it just is. In contrast, the deviant is Sulacu's creation regardless of where it is presented, and it would not have existed had she not taken the time to create it. As far as that other stuff, I couldn't really give two expletives about Wikipedia policies since sometimes this site seems to follow them, at other times not so much. Furthermore, you could do a better job of not being so demeaning. There were edits between yours and mine; how am I to know who you are addressing with your run-on sentences? -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:52, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::'''DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!''' means that it is under the GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::To respond to one of Hooper's earlier points, I agree that technical measures can't be taken to prevent work from being viewed or copied on a Wiki. But in this particular case, the [[User:Jeeves|person]] adopting TK's work is editing it, which goes beyond the idea of copying it for redistribution. I don't know anything about Wikipedia's policies (in all honesty, I am of the opinion that a Wiki such as this cannot and should not be governed by the same rules as Wikipedia), but the fact remains that Jeeves is taking credit for TK's work when all he did was emasculate the classes under the ''false'' premise that they are overpowered. He didn't use any normal things (like, say, the discussion page, a balance template, or some combination of both); all he did was change the numerical values of the class from acceptable to piss-poor and take all the credit for their good points when all he did was make them suck. Original homebrew work that has been judged to be of good quality (like much of the work left by TK and others has) deserves just as much respect as SRD material (especially because quite a bit of SRD material sucks). -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:00, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::@Jay Freedman: Additionally, even if he legitimately adopted it, what's the point of changing an adopted work when the general community was pretty much happy with it (a 20/20 rating with no arguments to the contrary sounds like that to me)? If he wanted to make his own terribly underpowered, dirt-eating variant, he could go ahead and do so by making his own version on a seperate page. "Edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" should imply that they can take it and use an edited version for themselves, not change that actual work already present on the page. Adopted or not, his changes are simply a load of crap. In my opinion, if he ever becomes a big-time user, this place will really have gone to hell. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:12, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::@TG Cid. Yeah, his edits are pretty cocky. It would seem like a silly thing to do, to assume your judgement is better than this communities. I was hoping his edits would be positive. Guess I'm just a nice guy... Anyway. I hope he decides to fix his edits and just create varients. (Everybody loves Varients right? Hell yeah!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:46, 26 August 2009 (MDT)(and may the force by with you)

::::::::Ya, one can always respond about his edits on that articles talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:13, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

== Candidates for Deletion ==

I was going through the "Wanted Categories" page, making categories not redlinked and such. I ran across the old '''[[:Category:Candidates for deletion]]''' from before the time we did Deletion the way we do now. Anyways, it has a few articles that still link to it - and I was going to remove it from the page and place them up for proper deletion, but the pages continuously reload and do very odd stuff, and I cant remove them. Could you take a look at it and see what it does for you? Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:24, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:Linked. I think that should work, if not I'll revert. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:29, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::Okay, I was finally able to work around it. They were all made by the same user, [[User:Eyedog|Eyedog]], and he was using '''deletepage''' instead of just '''delete''', and it was doing some weird stuff. I've restored all the content to the pages and placed the proper deletion tag on it.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 11:38, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:::[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Delete&diff=prev&oldid=289062]. Actually that category was the old category in [[Template:Delete]] (one can change it... I have no idea how stupid you guys are...). It was also used as a medium category too; by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== My Pages ==

Could you please go ahead and lock them? --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:34, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:I gave back userrights (save for your RfA) so anyone can. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:59, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::Could you please add [[Template:Locked Page]] to them as well please, [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] (or someone)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Ok I take care of that. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 19:42, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::::Done. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:40, 30 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Thanks a lot for doing that, by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Request ==

I would like to the deletion of most of my uncompleted work, I can do so with my administrative power but I want to make sure the pages won't be restored (I will put the pages I don't like to adoption). Thank you for your understanding. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:13, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

:Lord Dhazriel, if you're leaving or just deleting some old work, please, let me go through the stuff you've published and possibly not finished. There's a lot of good ideas you had started that somebody ought to preserve... I'll do it, even. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 21:48, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

::You should just add the template and have it go through the standard process (see if anyone wants to adopt it, etc. Just like everyone normally does.). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:58, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

:::I know, however unfinished campaign setting or work compendium may be a little out of line for adoption. Also Mythos, feel free to adopt anything I put in adoption. This is why I am requesting the ability to delete these by bypassing the normal process. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:17, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I mean why? They are still good ideas if one does decide to adopt it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:24, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Well I can't see how someone can actually adopt my work compendium. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 10:28, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Move it to a / of their usernamespace? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:02, 2 September 2009 (MDT)

== Template:PatronageRace ==

GreenDragon, you left a comment on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page about it needing "to be made into a variant rule section (with sub-pages from the CS)" I don't understand what that means. I am new to wiki'ing, so that all sounds like gibberish to me. I left a comment on the talk page for clarification but haven't gotten a response. Could you explain to me what I need to do? --[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:15, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:See also [[Template talk:PatronageRace#Editing Question]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:: I responded. You erred. These are not variant races and Patronage is not a Third Edition Campaign--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:21, 4 September 2009 (MDT)

:::You left a new comment on my CS page indicatgin I shouldn't have "back to" links at the bottoms of my pages. Where did I include "back to" links on the bottom of any of my pages?! You still insist I have to fix my races, but as I've explained, there's nothing to fix. I don't have any variant races, and now I don't even have race-specific pages!! I don't know what you want, GD. Do you want me not to use Templates at all? Is that the problem? Please explain to me why you still think the way I present races in my CS is an issue because I can't figure it out.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 05:35, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Well, in this singular instance of breadcrumbs/back to, I think you misread that, wrecan. You're -supposed- to have breadcrumbs on your pages; the note says that they do not have them right now. If you don't know what this is referring too, I can give you some examples. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 07:55, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::I figured out what you meant by "back to" links and eliminated them. Please get rid of that ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my CS page. And, as previously requested, please get rid of the ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page. Despite the name of the template, it's not a race template, and the pages that use it are simply describing the make up of different Realms in my CS.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:00, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::I did misread! Sorry about that. okay. I'll start putting Back to links in. I thought that was optional.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:04, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Actually, you never even got the actual back-to footers, which means that you don't know what they actually are. That's no problem, I'll put a few examples on your pages and you can take it from there. This part, at least, I can help with. I'm as lost as you are with the rest of what GD wants, though. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:08, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Thanks!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:11, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Wait--oh, you just got it on the anthropophage article. Good job, but man, this is getting confusing, and I've got to leave right about now. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:16, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::I'm a quick study. Thanks for your help. I think I've added Back To links to all my CS articles. Thanks for the help!!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:34, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

== Protection Request ==

I'd like to request that [[Reflexman (3.5e Optimized Character Build)]] be locked with the needs balance playtesting template. After reviewing the talk page, I feel like short term bans may be needed to myself, Jota, and Ghostwheel for edit warring. However, I still request the page reflect the true current state of the article.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:54, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:These guys dont need short term bans. They just need to learn from their mistake and move on. (And remember, Jay loves you all equally.) Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:31, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

::Bans are not issued by anyone above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:27, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== GD edits Reflexman ==

I noticed you where browsing through the Talk page of the Reflexman Build. You where listing warnings for cussing and formatting it for users. I think that is awesome. I really never thought you would actually take the time to browse that puppy for content. If I had an award for above-and-beyond the call of duty, I would give it to you. Good job GD! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 21:39, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:Agreed. Having one active wiki admin with so much to do paying that much attention to one article, even if it has been a hotbed, well, thanks. Plus, on behalf of us all, apologies on all the formatting issues. I saw how many times you had to fix that. Wow. We suck at talk pages apparently.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:41, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

::I did not finish the formatting if someone wants to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

==Protection Request==
Hey Green Dragon, I was wondering if I could get a Protection from IP's template placed on my [[Hybrid Elite Warrior (3.5e Class)]]. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 13:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

:Please, please, please... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 5 September 2009 (MDT)(I heard begging helps)

::There's little reason to ask a second time. Either GD hasn't seen this page yet (in which case posting a second inquiry on the same page is useless) or he just hasn't gotten around to doing it yet (hardly an inconcievable scenario, given that he's the only active admin left). Even this reply seems like a waste of bandwidth. Besides, has anyone even tried to edit them (IP's, I mean)? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 16:41, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Um well, no, I guess. This is a preemptive strike. I plan on taking a vacation from this wiki and that article is the only one I want preserved from anonymous hit-an-runs. Seeing as GD is the only active admin. I thought it might be a good idea. And, asking twice makes me appear desperate and mildly determined,(all at the same time). Haha. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:02, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I will lock it in given time (when I see this again) but I gave userrights back... any other admin could be asked as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:34, 9 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Gotta ask...who are the "other admins"? Given the recent stir up could we get a page set up that keeps a list of "active" admins, so the rest of us know who to contact if we need help and you are busy? -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 05:53, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Well, I am still semi-active... I can lock pages at least once a week.. (just depends on if I remember to check the wiki.) --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:35, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Thanks for the response Sabre. I also found the "Meta Page" that has the Admins listed on it (although it is out-of-date and lists many non-Admins on it). I really think it should be moved up a level or two with a direct link to it from the "Main Page" (if it took me a few tries I think most would never find it). But again thanks for your response Sabre. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 09:25, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::They are actually admins, just don't use this wiki anymore. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:47, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Many still use this wiki; the list can be found on [[RfA]] (the main blue link). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:32, 15 September 2009 (MDT)

== Confusing Edit ==

On [[Snake (4e Creature)|one of my pages]] you recently added [[Template:Wikify]] with the following explanation (and I quote): ''The ":" should not be in the Encounter Groups (see preload or Books for reference). Instead an extra line should be added. ALso either a breadcrumb should be added or the current "Back To" footer condensed ("by Level" etc).'' I am not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. There is no colon anywhere in the Encounter Groups section, nor could I find anything else in that section that seemed off, much less something that warranted the template. The second part is also poorly worded, and all I pulled out of it is that you want me to change the Back To footers in some manner. Please clarify what you want changed, as I really am at a loss O.o --[[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 18:44, 9 September 2009 (MDT)

:I edited the page. If you look at my last edit does that clear up any confusion? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:56, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::Oh, I see what happened. You mentioned the Encounter Groups section, but you actually meant the Lore sections. I feel I should point out, however, that the colons are part of the preload and not something that I specifically added. Might be worth removing them from the preload if it is preferred that they not be added. Also, on the issue of the Back To footer, did you mean that instead of this:
:::Back to [[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] → [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] → [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]] → [[4e Level 3 Creatures|Level 3 Creatures]].
::It should be condensed to this:
:::Back to [[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] → [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] → [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]]
::If so, that's another minor error you might want to look into, as the preload includes the former example and not the latter. Thanks for the clarification. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 12:46, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Oh, your right. I meant the lore section instead, sorry. I must have not been thinking at the time. Although the colons have been removed from the preload for quite some while now ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=4e_Creature_Preload&diff=next&oldid=287610]). If you store a old copy of the preload on your computer you may want to update it (of course not using the old table and switching to the template (which needs to be updated on the preload sometime). And for the breadcrumb I would just use [[Template:4e Creatures Level 7 Breadcrumb]], etc. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Ah, that would be the problem then - I've had my copy of the preload saved for several months now. I've added a breadcrumb for each CR on the page (something I normally do but must have forgotten on that page). Thanks again for taking the time to clarify what needed to be changed. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 22:17, 13 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Ya, I know what you mean. I would imagine another main reason is because the template for the creatures is not added as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 15 September 2009 (MDT)

== Clean Up ==

Noticed you hadn't gotten around to organizing the gallery on your user page. I will probably arrange them for you soon if you don't find the time. As a professional artist myself, a clean gallery is a must. Oh, and your talk page is super long and has a million MOI's on it. Time to clean your room GD. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:50, 15 September 2009 (MDT)(The OCD guy.)

:Ya, I know. I always clean my damn userpage with time (see all the archives). Also, I find that the current layout of the pictures has a nice artistic touch; I find the placement to not only invoke thought and wonder but also stretch ones thoughts. Although, to be honest, they are slowly getting old on my userpage and I may remove them soon. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 16 September 2009 (MDT)

::Sounds good. You da' boss. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:04, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::It's my userpage... You are in charge of your userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== What Happened to the Tavern?! ==

Hey, what happened to the tavern. It simply is not working, and the search doesnt seem to be working the same either. Changes? {{Unsigned|Dumai|17:52, 17 September 2009 (MDT)}}

:I need to get a bit more RAM to be able to get the Tavern back up and running with the servers. Most likely I will spend some of the google ads money on buying some more RAM. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::What kind of funds need to be raised? Perhaps a fundraiser like years ago?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:54, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

:::I was planning on using some google ads money for RAM but if people think that a little fundraiser should be organized as well I am more then willing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I'm sure every bit could help. $5 and $10 here and there can't hurt at least.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:59, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Do we even HAVE anybody left who still posts here? Besides us three, that is... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 10:59, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Yes, the site has been just as active lately as ever, only the "tavern crowd" is gone. The site is improving on a daily basis and will continue to do so. In the last 30 days alone there have been over 42 active users (plus plenty of IP edits), so yes, yes we are very active considering.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 11:05, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Thank God. I hated having to go in there to ask for feedback and getting sarcastic commentary. Maybe it's funny to the younger users, but to an old-timer like myself it seemed pretty juvenile and pointless. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 13:09, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Same here. I put up with it for years but recently started treating them the same way they treat others and they literally can not handle it. They freak out. Really pathetic actually. I hope this helps others learn how to be properly collaborative in the future.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:44, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Maybe we could have a vote and see if more users like the tavern or not. Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::It could be a good idea. I like the ''idea'' of a wiki chat, but in practice it was nothing more than a distraction from the actual wiki. Voting would be good, especially if removing the tavern could assist in site performance.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:29, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:It is my solemn opinion that the Tavern chat system should be repaired and remain. My love for it is unconditional, despite the fact that it tends to be immature in many ways and attract the least virtuous of viewers it was a place I could always count on to give me some source of entertainment or conversation, however minimal. One of the greatest delights I had when I used to frequent this site, as I am beginning to do again presently, was popping onto the Tavern in the middle of looking through articles and thinking about what would be useful in a future campaign. I would always find a witty conversationalist or a helpful tinkerer out and about amidst all of the chaos, and it helped to know I was not alone. The Tavern, in my opinion, is a reinforcement of the comradeship of this Wiki, and can be utilized to go there for quick instant messaging communication instead of relatively sluggish editing of each others pages. My piece has been said for now, and my vote is for keeping the Tavern. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 15:22, 25 September 2009 (MDT)

::Taking the above, and giving it thought, the Tavern can be a great tool. Especially if the former abrasive temperaments are no longer present, it can be a really great way to bring in new wiki users. Combing through the old logs shows that many potential users were ran off because of the attitude within it. But as Harry shows above, even with that it did great things. Perhaps we should place this discussion on "hold" until the tavern is ready to come back online, and then hold it in a better place so all can discuss ways to make the tavern better and more manageable??  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:30, 25 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Bollocks. The crowd that used the tavern (with a few notable exceptions) constantly strayed off-topic, and it came out as bunch of sentence fragments that tried to be witty and failed miserably. Especially TK's "Your mama" jokes, for instance.... I go on there looking for feedback on my work, and everybody would rather take cheap shots than actually offer constructive advice. Although I hate to say it, but for all his snide attitude, Surgo DID point me toward Frank Trollman's material... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 02:56, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Well do you guys think it helped more or hurt more? All we need to do is vote... It is all opinion; nothing to discuss. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:27, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Mediawiki ==

In going through the media side of the site, I've noticed many users have basically used it as a personal storage unit. It is filled with images that are not used in any articles whatsoever (though unlike wikipedia our images don't always say what pages link to them, odd...). I was wondering if a purging of the mediawiki would help improve the server performance?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 14:52, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I concur. Many of the images I uploaded, (as awesome as the are), are no longer linked to an article. It certainly sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Ghostwheel's Ban ==

I think [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has already paid enough and his ban is over in two day, amybe we could unblock him so he can actually tell his version of the facts? I don't want to do it myself in case you disagreed, it why I ask. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I strongly disagree with this. Firstly, there is no side of any story, as it was just a personal subpage note. Secondly, he showed his lack of respect to honor the ban when he broke policy and posted using his IP. If anything, his ban should be prolonged for that reason alone.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:47, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::Your both mistaken. With Check User [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has not been posting. Or which IP do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:53, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::He admitted to it on Surgo's page on the other wiki as well as on another user's page there. I would link, but don't want to spam, as I feel as though that may be.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::::[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258703 OBJECTION!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258715 DURR...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258720 PWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258730 UHOH...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258734 2xPWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258738 WTFPWNED!] --[[User:208.90.100.111|208.90.100.111]] 11:41, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::All I would need is the IP... It's called "Chck User" (please use google at this moment if you are not positive as to what I am talking about). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Not Twins ==

This may seem redundant to you ''(GD)'' and I, but I thought it would be good to note that we are not the same individual, do not always agree (nor even agree a lot of the times), nor do we even know each other offline. Before the rumors get started, even though some already have.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I don't know you... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

== Taking Author Information off Pages ==

Would you please refrain from removing author templates from (my) articles? Whether or not they've priorly been marked for deletion, they should remain associated with their respective principal authors, as per article 4B of [[D&D Wiki:Copyrights|D&D Wiki:Copyrights]]. Thank you. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:01, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:History as well... As explained over and over again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:17, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::And I am asking you over and over again to refrain from removing the author templates. Being the person identified in the history of these particular pages as the first editor makes this request more than reasonable. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 08:04, 20 September 2009 (MDT)

:::It seems you decided to respond to my aforementioned reasonable request by making [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Ghast%2C_Deathless_%283.5e_Creature%29&oldid=415512 this] and several other similar edits to my pages, in which you removed yet more author boxes and more references to my personal user category from my pages. What, are you just going to ignore me and merrily continue this scandalous behaviour instead without the courtesy of a direct response? I don't remotely care how much 'cleaner' you think the history is, I will not stand for seeing my work vandalized. '''NOT EVEN BY SITE ADMINS! AM I FINALLY GETTING THROUGH TO YOU!?'''

:::If you want to erase all evidence of my existence from this wiki for what happened back in August, then fine. DELETE ALL MY STUFF. '''ALL OF IT.''' And I'll be happy to stay gone. If you're unwilling to do that, then don't touch it. I expected such sensible and gentlemanly conduct to go without saying, but apparently the word ethics does not mean a thing to you. This is the last time I will ask you this in a civil manner. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 12:57, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article. One more non-logical response and I will issue a ban to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::''<"Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article."''>

:::::... What are these sentence fragments even supposed to mean? The only responses I see that are incoherent and devoid of any logic are yours. Are you just being deliberately vague so you'd have a solid excuse to ban me when I respond? That's not to say that I ''ever'' saw ''anyone'' getting ''anything'' close to a ban for 'non-logic' back when I signed onto this wiki in May 2007. I never saw anyone getting their author box deleted from their articles back then either. Even omitting the fact that the author boxes disappear from my articles, what possible justification could you have for deleting my ''personal user-based category'' (<nowiki>[[Category:User Sulacu]]</nowiki>) from the article pages as well? That's like taking pages out of my user page's dpl lists. Isn't that like undermining the system of my pages on your wiki, as well as a form of 'orphaning pages' or whatever it is called (hence, 'vandalism', if you're too logic-deficient to see where I'm going)?

:::::Seriously, I've had more than enough of your stupid antics, and your pigheaded falling back upon your new favorite word, 'non-logic', which you seem to invoke primarily when people say something you don't like. As a faithful and dedicated contributor to your wiki for over two whole years, and the creator of over three hundred standing pages of homebrew articles currently displayed on the site, please honor my final request to leave those pages be, and stop being such a freaking bludger. A little admission on your side will make this whole affair a lot less smelly, and both our lives a lot easier. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:27, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Banned. One needs to be understand civility and understand who is who on D&D Wiki. Stop just pestering people and making problems where none exist. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Out of curiosity, why was Sulacu banned? She was obviously upset that her name was being removed from the things that she had created, so it's not like she did anything wrong. I mean, I know I've not been here a long time, but Sulacu seems to have posted a high amount of quality homebrew, so shouldn't she be entitled to have her name on what she's made? I guess it may just be thinking aloud though. But really, consider if someone should be banned for voicing objections to losing the right to the things they made. I think a good example is if say someone took the Dandwiki from you Green, and removed every trace of you from it. Wouldn't you be upset and slightly protest against it? Obviously I'm not saying that that should happen, but I feel that it is a good example. Please reconsider this flurry of author removals, people merely just want to keep their name on what they've devoted time and effort into. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 16:11, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Although I won't comment on the ban, as far as comparing having a wiki that GD pays to maintain and content that a user freely posts online, it isn't really a good example.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:03, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::For the last time or your getting banned too; it's history and usercontributions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::What? Is this really what it's come to? I've never talked to you before and you are threatening to ban me for attempting to give my opinion and suggestions on something? Isn't this supposed to be a community-run site? I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused as to why it's suddenly everyone being banned for speaking. You didn't even answer my question, so obviously you are ignoring the average user, which isn't the path that any admin should take. If you feel like being a dictator and banning everyone, go ahead. Go ahead and ban every last person that brought quality work to this wiki. Go ahead and ban until there's no one left except for your butt-buddy troll Hooper and yourself. I'm through here. It used to be a nice place to come to and the community was friendly, and the few times you stopped in the tavern, it was nice to talk to you. What happened to you? Whatever. It doesn't matter. This wiki is going downhill in quality, I just think you are blind to it right now, but you'll realize it here soon. Hooper, I know you are probably reading this too. Stop instigating things over at the Wikia. If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. I know I personally just want this whole thing to end and for the separation to be finished quickly and painlessly. With that note, I fully expect to be banned by the dictatorship that this wiki has turned into. Just remember, the First Amendment is in place to protect the unpopular opinion, and you are crushing it beneath your heel by banning everyone who isn't Hooper. Just remember that YOU ruined your wiki by driving off those that kept it running smoothly. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 20:12, 28 September 2009.

::::::::::::I have never said anything to anyone from wikia in my life. You don't know me — don't say that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::He said that Hooper was instigating things at wikia.. Geez, if this is the way the administration of this site is I'm not going to put my homebrew on here, I'm going to make sure the people I know don't ruin their work by having it stolen by this wiki.

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:As I haven't even visited the other in seemingly forever, and you guys are here still causing problems - well, you get the picture. Are you done calling people who don't know each other "butt buddys" while also calling them the trolls ''(??? - Irony?)'' so that we can get back to work? You state ''"If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone."'' yet here you are, when no one is messing with you. Either contribute or stop starting problems. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 06:34, 29 September 2009 (MDT)

::I don't have any take on Sulacu or any other user on this site, really. I only came in and started editing recently, after all, myself. I have been thinking on this for a while, though. Why ''exactly'' is author information being taken off of pages? Watch and History are reasonably insufficient in accrediting the idea of a creature or idea to authors, even if not so terribly important. Since it's homebrew, anyways, I am sure it's not so bad to afford someone that little bit of pride in seeing their name in the author template of their articles. Also, which articles are subject to this? So far, I've only ever seen creatures having their templates removed, which I don't quite understand. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 01:42, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::I never said anyone was doing anything on Wikia. I could care less about Wikia — people going to a different site is not a war in my mind. D&D Wiki (about now) averages 8,000 unique visitors a day — I don't care about you. A war is a war in my mind. Think about logically — why in hells name would I care? As long as you guys do not transfer any content from D&D Wiki to Wikia (all the content here is under the GNU FDL v1.2 - putting it under the CC is a violation of the law and liable to be sued) or doing anything related (please see the GNU FDL - I, as the owner of D&D Wiki have the rights, additionally I, as the owner, can invoke aspects of the GNU FDL v1.2 as I wish too).
::::And why is the author template being removed? It hinders reading, and hinders a wiki-structure (editing for improvement not just saying "mine mine mine", etc.) Most people, before editing, do check history and before use many do too (seeing something from an IP is less likely as something, say, which comes from an established user). It just hurts the wiki - removing it helps the overall structure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:19, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::I personally feel as though the author template adds a bit of authenticity to articles of homebrew. Sure, while in some cases, items simply are corrupted or bettered by the many anonymous edits that are to be expected on the internet, but in other cases, it's a nice gesture of pride to find an idea or page that you're proud of, and have your name sitting at the top. All as well, while I may not agree, It's not important, and I suppose I can understand that as a sufficient reason. Thank you for answering. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:50, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::::(Haha, Jwguy is editing in above me.) Hopefully the author box will be completely removed from all articles and preloads. This is a Wiki. No article submitted to the site is considered static and unchanging. Should you wish to keep your pet projects to yourself, do not submit them here. Under every edit box are the words "''If you don't want your writing to edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" You have been warned and forewarned. Author boxes are a privilege, not a right. Again, hopefully they will be universally removed. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:54, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::::Okay, I agree that's it a kind of a gesture of pride to see ones username on a page... But it's also a wiki. However another reason for the removed I see is that it creates editing problems. For example sometimes when I am playing I print something out, correct it, however do not change it since I do not want to have to talk to that author about it. If I was not the owner (rather a standard user or IP) I imagine I would feel more inclined and accepted to change it freely. I feel it creates more freedom for the perfection of content. However I see both sides. Currently I removed them from 4e deities, 4e races, and the preload for 4e creatures (and a few their). Personally I would like to wait a matter of months and see how those sections respond. Already I have seen positive improvements from the 4e deities section by IP's - which is a good sign - however it is still to early to say. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::::::Sorry, it was my understanding from most of the wikis that I've been that the colon indentation is used to identify who is replying to whom, as well as keep track of subject. I read your post, Jay, but simply had nothing to say about it, so I went ahead and continued to reply towards Green Dragon's last post, which is the reason for the way I posted. I had assumed this was normal.

::::::::That said, I don't mind, either way. I appreciate you taking the time to appease my curiousity on this matter, however, Green dragon. As said, I like the idea of the authenticity and author templates, but they don't matter so much as to fight over them, to me. If it comes down to it, I'll go around taking them down, myself; I just wanted to get the reasoning for it before I conjectured any of my own, which you've provided, certainly. I can realize what problems you see for it, and they are well based and reasonable for it's exclusion, so really it's just my opinion that differs. Functionality is more important when it comes to this kind of site, I believe, and pride, while a encouraging thing as well, is subservient to that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:49, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::::::@ Jwguy. No problem bro. I figured you had a good reason anyway. Thanks for being so vocal about your opinions. Your not the only one who feels the way you do. Keep up the good work. Peace! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:33, 6 November 2009 (MST)

== Why Did You Delete the Bloodline I Posted? ==

I'd like to know why you deleted the optional Bloodline (Brachyurus) I developed and posted.

The only comment I see, and its only a single line in the deletion log, is "This is not OGL".

I would appreciate ''some'' explanation. At the very least, the minimum courtesy of informing me. To top it off, you ''also'' deleted the Discussion topic I started in which I asked for any feedback.

If you don't want new people posting anything, just say so. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 21:29, 21 September 2009 (MDT).

:It is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]], right? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 September 2009 (MDT)

::It is also, according to your [[SRD:Brachyurus|website]], in the SRD? And the Bloodline was entirely my own construction; I am not aware of anything similar that has been published. None of which explains why you would delete the Discussion where I ask for feedback - a perfect place, I would think, to have this discussion. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:58, 21 September 2009 (MDT)

:::That's ones not from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]... That's SRD (probably MM or who knows). If the bloodlines was your ''own'' creation ''DO NOT'' put "this is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]" on the bottom of the page. Also [[DnD Discussion|Discussions]] are for ''questions'' (not like a forum...). If you want something reviewed, like always, post it on the damn talk page. Not their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 22 September 2009 (MDT)

::::You are saying that you really thought I copied the bloodline from the Epic Level Handbook? Have you seen the UA style Bloodlines ''anywhere'' but in UA? And does that mean you did not even bother reading what I had written on the Talk page before you deleted it all?
::::Anyway, are you saying you would be fine with me posting the Brachyurus Bloodline I designed if I make it clear that I was the one who put it together?
::::re: Discussions, ok, I hadn't realized it was not a forum. Still, I would have appreciated ''some'' information ''somewhere'' about why you deleted my work. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 16:48, 22 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::This is what I saw:
:::::<nowiki> ==== Brachyurus ====</nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> </nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> [[SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus]] is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook. </nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> {| class="{{d20}}" style="text-align: left;"</nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> |+ {{#anc:Brachyurus Bloodline Traits}}</nowiki>
:::::(from a deleted revisions preview). Or is that part just superficial? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:02, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Should I assume you noticed the "SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus" portion of what you quoted? --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:11, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::That's called a piped link... Not sure if you have ever heard of formatting or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:33, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::It seems clear that you are taking the issues behind this discussion much less seriously than I am. Therefore I will stop wasting my time with you. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:52, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::That is a PIPED link. Without the piped link it looks like: "Brachyurus is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook."... let's see... can that be here? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:23, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== When do Unrated homebrew prestige classes become Rated? ==

My Void Knight prestige class now has 2 ratings (3 if my own counts), and I was just wondering how/when exactly the unrated classes were relisted as rated. Edit: Forgot to sign [[User:Desril|Desril]] 15:09, 30 September 2009 (MDT)

:Really it is just a matter of doing the switch. You can alter that yourself.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:46, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

::Once all the ratings have been added one can. Although one cannot just create rating; [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should have said that one can correct the ratings from the talk page onto the articles page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:41, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Yes, after reading my post I should clarify that once rated you can add that information to the class page with the proper rating it was given shown.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:14, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Also, if you want to help rate things, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Spheres in relation to the Tome of Fiends ==

The sphere pages connected to the Tome of Fiends, namely the Bone, Venom, Carnage and Bubbles, I believe, that you have already reverted, are ''not'', to my knowledge thus far, User items, and are in the sourcebook. Adding the User Category, on that level, is not necessary, nor correct, and it also interferes with the function on the page for the [[Tome_of_Fiends_(3.5e_Sourcebook)/Spheres_and_Feats#Fiendish_Spheres|Spheres]] listing, which has been separated so that User-made Spheres and Official Spheres from the Sourcebook can be better recognized.

If you feel that you are undeniably correct in maintaining that the Spheres you are moving are User made and that perhaps I have been mistaken, please state so and proceed, but if not, and I believe they are not, they should be as they were before the reverting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 23:17, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

:Tome Material is not official material from established publisers or OGL - it is just homebrew Frank & K stuff. Thus, it is User content. It is hard to define something as "official" when it is all entirely user homebrew - even if that user homebrew is well established.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:13, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::Well could we use that Tome article as the rule source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)
::This is, admittedly, true, given the nature of the Tome of Fiends, itself. Even in that case, however, the Tome of Fiends has no user category, and as a sourcebook, I use 'official' to simply designate those spheres which were created along with the sourcebook. I feel it would be best to separate the Homebrew'd spheres, in respect to the Tome, from those included by the authors, if only to maintain that the standard provided by the author shouldn't be confused with the likely standards of added-in spheres.

::That all said and done, I could simply use another category, which I don't have much of a problem with; I'm rather delightfully partial to the Tome of Fiends, myself, and the Spheres even more. I just want to get it looking nice and neat, and without as much clutter and fully distinguishing their authors. So, that said, what is going to be used for the categories? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:10, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== WikiRPS ==

I saw you had did some alterations to the navigation. I was wondering if a link to the WikiRPS site would help get some more activity over there? Or if you're even still interested in that. Just curious as to the goals/future of that project.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:36, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:They have their own wiki since a while now; [http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiRPS] (although using the same things, etc). I don't understand what your question is (see also [[DnD Variant Rules]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:18, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::Yes, I know they do. I guess my question is: "Do you think it would be beneficial to include a link to that wiki on our navigation here, perhaps near where we link to the media repository?"  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:48, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::We do. It's linked to from [[DnD Variant Rules]]; as discussed and implemented since a long time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:50, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Incorrect Adoptionations ==

Y HALO THAR. Recently I adopted a dozen or so pages because I have some future plans with them, and the original owner, Sulacu, is gone and all. I noticed you reversed those adoptions. Is something the matter, we're permitted to adopt unnamed and user-less articles are we not? Even more so if we actually have permission from the original owner? If you could redo those adoptions for me, that sure would be swell, it makes it easier to find when I don't have to comb through the history and just look up "User Eiji". Domo arigato desu desu desu-chan, ie! -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:00, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:Eiji, your recent discussions in the chat your splinter group is using showcases those adoptions as bad faith adoptions. However, even with that fact, I can't speak for GD's decision. I believe a previous editor said "just stay away and leave us alone" and that has been our wiki's attitude. I humbly request you follow suit. Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:02, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::Hi Hooper-desu! ''':D''' Well, it's very good faith actually, but the lower caste aren't supposed to talk to the upper caste. Wink wink, joke joke, nudge nudge. Anyway, I'm actually still active here (out of necessity, but that's a discussion for another time), so I can't leave.
::Anyway, awaitin' the Green Drag-man. I'll just leave this 'ere. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:11, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::As your most recent quote on the subject was the following: ''"the reason I'd adopt them is to keep GD's dirty mitts off them"'' as stated in your IRC channel, I'd say that clearly constitutes a bad faith adoption. Alas, however, GD shall tell us both how it went down, so I agree with your thoughts on waiting for him.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:14, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Where'd I say that? That's silly Hooper. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::If GD requests it he will be shown proof of that and other things you've said of recent regarding the adoption. Ever since that chat channel decided to bring up the idea of using pirate software against this site I've daily logged on and pulled that day's chats from it. Thankfully, nothing as vile as the pirate attack threats has been discussed since.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::Of course not. You know, internet... it's full of people who talk for the hell of it, and talk is cheap. Why just yesterday I was claiming to be wearing a dress, when I was really wearing TWO dresses. :D But Hooper, we've gotten totally off the subject, so, for Green Dragon's sake I'm reseting the indent and reposting my point (I hope he doesn't mind). {{Unsigned|Eiji|20:23, 1 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::Just placing my 2 cents Hooper but is it entirely ethical/legal to record and store chats without notifying those being recorded? Just wondering if perhaps playing secret agent in the chat room is the best use of your time which should be invested in this wiki, not in the wikia. Back on topic: if an article is up for adoption, what makes one user more or less worthy of adoption than another? One who has made as many contributions as Eiji is certainly able to competently handle an article, unless you are saying you trust a complete stranger to claim ownership of the article over an established contributor to this wiki. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 21:34, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::You did it wrong... And D&D Wiki is fine; no malicious software should be able to do much of anything. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:49, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Ah, I'm doing it wrong? Well then, how may I do it right so I can get them re-adopted? -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:51, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Just don't. Just edit the damn things; it makes much much more sense (your name is added, what you did is shown, and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you, one can look with ''my watchlist'' the pages as they change, etc etc. [[Template:Author]] is just more of a hassle then much else (history; when created; does not change). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Explain that second part to me again? I'm trying to get the pages to appear on my User: Eiji page so I don't have to search through recent changes (also, I'd like credit for adopting them too, but I haven't bothered yet to look/copy paste the ownership box/dunno how to go about that). Anyway, the link repository is what I'm currently doing with my pages right, having them appear in my User: Eiji page automatically instead of linking them one by one. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:58, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::{{quote|...and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you...
|orig=--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)
}}
::::::::::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Sorry, might be a little slow but... uh, I don't get it. Can you rephrase it in a different way, as right now it seems like you're saying we can't put things on our User page we didn't originally make and just adopted. Or... something, I'm not really sure. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:08, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Right; for example I have nothing (theoretically) to do with the images on my userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::Oooh. Aww, that makes me sad... that means we aren't allowed to adopt anymore (at least, not in the normal sense of "I now own this", we can only edit... but then, so can everyone's else so it's a moot point). Well, there's nothing I can do. ''':(''' They were nice articles too.
::Oh well. /thread and all. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::Ya, but I find that usercontributions are much better then [[Template:Author]] and I find that when using history everything is much more fair then under the [[Template:Author]] system (each edit is that edit; not under someone elses' name). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Posting under an IP because I don't want Hooper to think that I am an active user of this wiki (GD, he is seriously retarded and I would avoid giving him adminship at any point unless you want this place crashing down even worse -- I can easily back up this claim with evidence, just look at 90% of his contribs on talk pages). Anyways... To clarify, are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article? --[[User:208.90.101.99|208.90.101.99]] 06:23, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::Personal attacks should be refrained from, and they make any point you think you have become lost in your antics "anonymous". This isn't a forum for insanity or attacks or opinions, take that to salin.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:15, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::I apologize -- that comment was out of line and pretty immature. I'm still a little sore over what happened and when I do visit this wiki (in this case I was responding to a private email about an optimized build I wrote a while back), I do the stupid thing of looking at the recent changes and get bothered by what is going on. This was my "home" for a long time after all. I can take a conversation up privately with you if you want to discuss why I think many of your actions are bad for the wiki, but needless to say, I sincerely hope that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] does not make you an admin until your behavior changes. I say that out of my old dedication to this wiki, not my new found bitterness. But, as I said, this is something for a private conversation and doesn't belong here on GD's talk page.

:::::::Thank you. I'm not seeking adminship, nor do I personally feel I need to be anything close to an admin, so I doubt such a conversation is necessary. [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:57, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::To restate my questions to GD: "Are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article?" --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:53, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::They do seem to hinder articles at time; however that is a long process. I say we should work on things which are a little more handalable at the moment. Maybe with in the year or two; who knows. Or what are your opinions and thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:43, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

== Euhm.... ==

Well, something very strange is happening here... I'd say adopting things to keep them safe is in good faith, and it is my perhaps not very humble opinion that playing secret agent in a chatroom is quite unethical. Additionally, I think it's unethical to remove an author's name from the front of the page, since that's where the focus is, no matter where else information on the original author can be found. Furthermore, I agree with some arguments brought in against Green Dragon, seeing as he acts in a seemingly random manner, getting angry and threatening with bans for little reason.

I tried (much earlier) to reason with both parties, and GD didn't even answer. Not ever.

I'm taking my creations. I created them, so they are my property, and I do not care which laws you quote. According to some test and multiple real-life experiences, I turn out to be CG, and I cannot abide a regime like this. I shan't use guerilla tactics or whatever to negative effect for this wiki, because it is rather pointless; it will be dead by itself without my interference soon enough. To summarize, I take possession of my work, and I will not comply with any attempts to restore them.

Further reasons for abandoning this wiki include a disturbing lack of interest in discussion pages; no one has shown an interest in several things I pointed out in several different discussion pages, and rather few of my own things where commented upon (seeing as I mean to implement those things I find interesting or design myself, I'd like a little more discussion about things like balance and powerlevel). Another point is the apparent failure of internal consistency in at least some creatures of the animal type and a tendency not to do anything about it.

I bid you adieu. I expect my pages to remain gone when I have removed them, and I expect there will not be a problem with that. I have no need for either wiki laws or dictatorial outlashings (they should be mutually exclusive, but reality proves to be otherwise, ey?), and I shall not abide either. [[User:Deranged|Deranged]] 16:18, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:Imitating behavior/harassment. Banned. Content is content, usercontributions are usercontributions, and history is history. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:43, 3 October 2009 (MDT)

== WTF ==

Why is the tavern not working, still?! It's been nearly three months? {{Unsigned|Zetsumeimaru|17:52, 3 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:I know... One the servers got changed around a bit and as such the tavern is not configured right; another is that, as a discussion, we are not positive if we want a chat room. It seems to be there are differing opinions about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:40, 3 October 2009 (MDT)

== Elaboration ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Omniarcanist of Caladon (3.5e Prestige Class)#Epic]] --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:18, 13 October 2009 (MDT).''

== Just looking... ==

I was just looking through some history and can I ask what MW is in reference to here:

"I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted. Please learn something about MW before posting here (it's comparable to '''clicking''' the links above and '''looking''' at them). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:52, 10 September 2009 (MDT)"

Thanks. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:15, 15 October 2009 (MDT)

:MW is always MediaWiki. Where was this response? If you source it or supply a link I can better let you know what I meant. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:06, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::It is on [[Requests for Adminship/Surgo2|Surgo's nomination]] for adminship. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:44, 22 October 2009 (MDT)

:::Surgo was not following the deletion policy. I had to restore pages he/she wrongly deleted. For this to make more sense to you maybe [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=Surgo&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 This (&limit=500)] is a better associated link (the blue links are restored - the red are deleted). If you see any other problems please let me know (where he/she deleted good content). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:49, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::With the current deletion policy (That on [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]) he did not break any rules. It states: "In most cases 14 days after a page is nominated for deletion it will be deleted." Hence, there was no reason for those not to be deleted. Either that or you use the argument that it also says: "When nominating an incomplete page for deletion please make sure that it is not being actively improved upon." Which implies that it must be an incomplete page, though on a wiki nothing is ever complete so that cannot be an argument against it. I would like to know how you think that Surgo wasn't following the deletion policy and then we can amend it to make it clearer. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::The pages had zero reason to be deleted. Were nominated for deletion a day before and were deleted right after. That's breaking the rules. Watch out; or you'll get banned. I've explained this 100000 times. I'm done explaining it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:47, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::Actually, you had never explained that on Surgo's nomination page (and I haven't seen it anywhere else). They were nominated for deletion at least two weeks before: Aug 13 2009 nomination and 4 September 2009 deletion for many of them. There reason for deletion was that the author did not want them on the wiki, in the past that has been accepted though after recent events it was decided un-officially that it would not be, this was not put on the deletion page. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 23:08, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Oh, your right about the times. That's probably why I did not say that on the nomination. It's because it is good content - one should never delete good content. "''I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::I still think we need to clarify the deletion policy. Though my thoughts on the articles on this wiki are that they should be owned by the contributers and can be deleted by them if they wish. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::That's not how they are. They are under the GNU FDL "''If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" for example. If one reads the the GNU FDL 1.2 then you will see more as to what I am talking about. And the deletion time frame is a little variable - the important part is that no playable, good, etc content gets deleted. That's the main idea. If you read the "Adminship" message it explains deletion a bit from an admin side and the category explains deletion from a wiki-side. Please keep in mind that was just Surgo's 2nd adminship - not the reason for (h)im/er being banned. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)

== Edit Summary Question ==

You just told me what barnstars are, and I thank you, though I had guessed their purpose, 'twas a kind gesture. But I was wondering why you edited it with the summary "Discussions get archived not removed....". Would you care to elaborate on your reasoning, or was it not pertaining to me? --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 13:14, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

:Basically, don't just delete something from your page, archive it. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:09, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::Yes, you may not have noticed, but if you look at the actual [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SgtLion&diff=420227&oldid=420152 diff] in question, he re-added the welcome message you had previously removed. That was what he was actually talking about in the summary.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:16, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

:::I replied and used the edit summary to explain my edit. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Ah, right, that was a mistake on my part. Thank you, everyone. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 23:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

== Talosoi ==

A few days ago, I created the talosoi, a race of apelike people who live in dense jungles and ride giant wasps around. I decided to put it here, to share it with everyone else. But, since I didn't know anything about wiki formatting then, I put all of the separate types of talosoi as its own creature. Before I could realize my mistake, I put 6 new creatures on here, each of them a different talosoi (eg Talosoi Archer, Talosoi Shaman, Talosoi Chieftan, etc.). I wanted to know if there was anyway I could move all of those creatures to a single page. If was not, I would want to know if I could delete these pages and start again with the same creatures, but just under a different name (instead of talosoi, then it would be toldosoi or something like that). Thanks! {{Unsigned|Breo sabre|20:50, 21 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:If you merge them all onto one page (save the ones you cannot - the mounts; wasps, etc.) and add [[Template:Delete]] to the now merged ones it should cover your problem. Although one ''can'' "merge" all the pages together with their respective revision histories it's a long process and complicated; it's easier this way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 October 2009 (MDT)

== D20 Modern Material ==

:''Discussion moved from [[User talk:Tabris#D20/4e Issues]]'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

Please do not move my weapon contributions (namely flashbang, phosphorus grenade and smoke bomb.) as they were not made for d20 modern but instead as homebrew weapons for the dnd 4e game which I DM for.

If there is a way to set my creations to private please let me know as I do not want my contributions to be edited at all. I like them as they are but I do not know how to change the editing options to locked/protected. {{Unsigned|Tabris|01:23, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:Please read the warning when you are editing on the site. It reads as follows: ''"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."''.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 06:36, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

::Thats not helpful at all Hooper, I'm aware of this however my equipment is posted under 4e equipment for a reason: It's 4e equipment {{Unsigned|Tabris|15:27, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:::I believe that the reasons some of the pages have been misappropriated is that they were not all originally coded the way fourth edition material should of been, giving the appearance of D&D or D20 equipment. Admins are busy so it is easy to see how that may have been the issue. Anyways, please note that the identifier on the pages should read "(4e Equipment)" not "(4E Equipment)" and in the future I wouldn't edit war with an admin, just make a nice and simple explanation and ask why they think something is not what it is ''(i.e. in this case just ask what is giving GD the impression it is D20 equipment and then fix that before doing all this reverting)''. Just usually not a good idea to remove admin edits.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:28, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Please sign your posts using four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Please see your talk page for more info.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:29, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::You can move them to a subuserpage of your userpage area; at most (keeping them 4e) and changing the templates around so they do not show up anywhere. Simply flashbang grenades, phosphorus grenades and smoke bombs do not fit into 4e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

== Editing, Overdeity ==

Hey, I got a question about the deities. When making them, I'm confused about how to write the "What type of god is it" part. If you look Saran up, you see on the page, there is that error, I need help on that. Thanks! {{Unsigned|CelticHippie|20:17, 28 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:That should help. See the diff in question to see the edit change. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 28 October 2009 (MDT)

== Canidates for Deletion ==

Hey GD. I was looking through some of the articles in the Deletion Catagory. There are more than a few that have been unedited and abandoned for many months. I say this because I have about 15 articles I made myself that need to be deleted. How often does this site clear out those pages? Thanks. (Wow, I just noticed their are 3 pages worth of stuff waiting to be deleted. Almost 500 articles.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:31, 29 October 2009 (MDT)

:It's getting worked on... Just keep adding them. A matter of weeks ago it was more then double the current amount (six or more pages) - so it's slowly getting cleared. Everything has to get by-hand looked at (since "What links here", talk pages, links, etc can be strange) so it's just a work in progress. They will get deleted though if need be (or authorship stripped). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 29 October 2009 (MDT)

::Sounds good. Thanks for the update. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:19, 31 October 2009 (MDT)

== Arcane Archer ==

I rated the Arcane Archer class, but the number of ratings nor the overall ratings didnt change, why is this? --[[User:Zackrb|Zackrb]]

:You posted your rating on the talk page. But, that is only half of rating. You must edit the article itself to reflect your rating. Their are placeholders for ratings when editing the article itself. Updating these causes a overall rating to appear on the article when viewed. (Please remember to sign your posts.) --[[User:129.123.245.182|129.123.245.182]] 03:04, 2 November 2009 (MST)

== Thanks for helping me fix my format ==

--[[User:Frodo Goofball|Frodo Goofball]] 06:30, 9 November 2009 (MST)

== NEW ==

Her im kinda new here and a was gonna set up a page for my friends to use my Digimon and Pokemon races and classes i know that might sound stupid but hey to each his own, any way you put up my renamon page for deletion and a wasen't done with it yet i'm not sure wether it was because of that or the fact that it's a digimon, if you don't want digimon and stuff on there a will not put it on there :) just let me know.
(p.s.) i did'nt understand the way you set stuff up till now so i understand if the page was just in the way {{Unsigned|Corycodered|01:00, 12 November 2009 (MDT)}}

:Well what is it? A creature? It's not formatted like anything... If you follow a preload (go to a certain section and click the "add" button - that text) and update the current thing to fit that the delete template will be removed. If you don't want to do that of course you can move it to a subuserpage of yours (e.g. User:Corycodered/Renamon) then no formatting is needed. But one of those is needed for the delete template to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:17, 12 November 2009 (MST)

I'd like my user page deleted, if possible. Thanks
[[User:Palantini|Palantini]] 16:51, 14 November 2009 (MST)

== WikiRPS ==

Hello. I joined this wiki from the WikiRPS, and I've been trying to find out who is running that wiki. While I could and probably will eventually get active here, right now I'm more driven towards working on a more broad system, adapting historical, current, and sci-fi culture, weapons, and technology to an open RPS, not necessarily D&D. Thanks. --[[User:Madkcat|Madkcat]] 00:47, 18 November 2009 (MST)

:Pretty sure [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] is, although [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] may be as well (I am not sure), or DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:53, 18 November 2009 (MST)

::As far as I have been able to find, [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] hasn't been active since December '07, [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] June '09 and DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]) since June '08 on WikiRPS.
::I have some ideas of what to do, and how I'd like to do it, but I don't want to start messing with the Wiki until I can talk with someone who was/is active in WikiRPS to make sure I'm not stepping on toes, or causing problems by jumping in running.
::--[[User:Madkcat|madkcat]] 01:18, 18 November 2009 (MST)

:::I'm not in charge on WikiRPS. This wiki, where I did the initial setup, I know what's going on. There I do not — I have maybe only gone there a matter of times. you would have to ask one of them what's going on. Sorry about that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 18 November 2009 (MST)

== Language Style ==

As a born British English man, I'm somewhat accustomed to the British language. But I only could assume that this D&D Wiki is American, so in my language fixing, I didn't change anything like "armor" to "Armour" or vica versa, because I was unaware of what to do about it. So now I ask you, do I correct spellings to American or British English? Or something else, if that's how you roll.--[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 11:01, 22 November 2009 (MST)

:It's American English. I recommend taking a look at [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:51, 22 November 2009 (MST)

::Guessed as much. And thanks, I'll take a look at that. Your response and help is appreciated. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 00:02, 23 November 2009 (MST)

:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 23 November 2009 (MST)

== Vacation ==

I am taking a short five day long vacation or so down to New Mexico. I will have limited computer access however if everyone could keep an eye out for malicious edits, vandalism, etc it would be much appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:23, 25 November 2009 (MST)

== could u help? ==

Hi i was trying to find out if a slam attack is like an unarmed strike for the perpose of feats?

If u could e-mail me what u think that would be great

wolffboy66@yahoo.ca

== Hey ==

Im the one that sent the recent 7 dollar through paypal, can you keep me updated when you guys run donation drives so i can donate what i can. Also if you dont mind can you look over some the contributions that i made since i signed up to see if you feel they are constructive. Mainly i feel in love with aura guardian but want some feedback before i keep at it.

Thanks!
Starcry/novabladex

I like the anime shadow skill and was wondering if you ever thought about making a class based on the sevaars, specifically on gau and elle. I liked your tenken class and the frost knight one, so I was just throwing the idea out there.

== A different sort of game ==

I have a roleplaying game known as World Tree which uses skill advancement instead of class advancement. A character in the game is given a number of skill points at creation with no restrictions as to where they may go. I was thinking of doing a variant of this and even eliminating such things as abilities (there would instead be a lift and carry skill, for instance). I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss such a different system but I was hoping to work with others on it. Can you make any suggestions? My e-mail is brenner.mike at gmail.com

Thank you for your time, -Michael Brenner. {{Unsigned|204.210.188.32|10:23, 12 December 2009 (MST)}}

:Well a few options exist. How different is it from D&D? One option is to make a "radical" variant rule out of it; keeping the structure on D&D Wiki in general. Another option is to make a self-contained wiki (like WikiRPS); hosting could be discussed if that is the desired option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:01, 12 December 2009 (MST)

== Aura Guardian ==

Hey Green, I was wondering if you would mind looking over the Aura guardian and see if anything so far could be abused? Also let me know what direction I should focus in, Defense of adding some offensive choices. Ive considered a VERY restrictive spell list, like maybe only the healing domain up to 4 and protection up to 4. Not sure. Also I could use some help with the flavor for anyone else reading this! Thank you in advance.--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:30, 19 December 2009 (MST)

Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-19T19:27:32Z

Starcry:

Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-19T15:43:06Z

Starcry:

{{NeedsBalance|Class is just too weak.}}

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
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<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is considered to be using 1 aura. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought range, line of sight, and even being on a different plane do not effect this ability. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating. Once the gem is in place if it is moved the aura stops and the gem is destroyed. Only the Guardian may touch the gem, anyone or anything else just passes through the gem as though they where trying to touch a ghost. The gem may only be effected by someone other than the guardian by using a wish,in which case the gem is destroyed.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tend to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

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'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is unable to activate any other auras. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tend to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
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<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is unable to activate any other auras. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''Extend Aura:''''' At 9th level an Aura Guardian learns to focus his powers in order to extend the range of his aura. He may choose to give up some of his Aura bonus to cause his aura to cover more area. He may choose to give up 1 point to extend his aura by 20ft for 24 hours. At the end of the 24 hour period the aura loses the 20ft extension and the guardian regains the bonus to his aura. He may spend a max of 1/2 of his aura bonus rounded down in this manner, gaining 20ft each time. For example if 2 points are spent then his aura covers 70ft (30ft +40 from the ability). Once the guardian makes a choice to give up points, he may not choose to end the effect, add points or remove points until the full 24 hours have passed.

'''''Dual Aura:''''' This ability allows an Aura Guardian to have 2 auras active at a single time. If he chooses to activate a second aura he must decide how much of his aura bonus will be given to each aura. He may divide his bonus in any way he chooses. The second aura is treated separate from the first in all ways, for example if the guardian chooses to extend one aura, it does not effect both unless he spends points for both. He may not have the same aura active twice.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

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{{NeedsBalance|Class is just too weak.}}

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

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<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
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! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

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| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Swift Aura:''''' At 4th level the guardian has learned to invoke his auras faster, he may choose to change or create an aura as
a move action.

'''''Stable Aura:''''' Stable aura allows a Guardian to cause his aura to radiate from a special gem that he must create himself. To use this ability the guardian must first activate an aura while holding the gem. He may transfer the Aura to the gem as a move action at this point the gem radiates the aura instead of the Guardian. So long as the gem is active the Guardian is unable to activate any other auras. At any time the Guardian may use a move action to to destroy the gem with a thought. This stops the aura and allows the guardian to begin using auras as normal. To create a gem the Guardian must choose any gemstone of at least 50gp value and then spend 2 hours meditating with the gem in hand. A Guardian may only create one such gem per week and the gem works only for him not any other guardians. There is no time limit on how long a gem may remain active or on how many gems a guardian may own. A guardian may activate any special abilities that effect auras through the gem so long as he is within the aura that it creates. A guardian does not gain any benefits of the aura that the gem is radiating.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

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Starcry:

{{NeedsBalance|Class is just too weak.}}

{{DnD Base Class Infobox
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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies effected by this aura are treated as though under the effects of the invisibility spell. This aura may effect a number of people up to the Guardians aura bonus. If for any reason someone loses the effect of invisibility (such as making an attack) this aura will not work on them for a full 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- . This ability does not stack with other damage reduction but anyone effected may choose to give up the damage reduction they currently have to be effected by this aura. The moment they leave the aura or for any reason loses the effect of this aura the original damage reduction activates again.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-08T01:16:04Z

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Talk:Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-07T22:20:22Z

Starcry:

Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-07T22:16:35Z

Starcry:

{{NeedsBalance|Class is just too weak.}}

{{DnD Base Class Infobox
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|imgcaption=
|rating_power=
|raters_power=
|rating_wording=
|raters_wording=
|rating_formatting=
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|raters_flavor=
|authors=
|datecreated=August 6, 2008
|status= starting updating as of November 24th, 2009
|editing=
|type=Combat-Focused
|desc=An armored soldier who protects his companions with a variety of boon-giving auras.
}}

==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" |

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor (Final Honor is currently broken I do not recommend its use)

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain ranks in the skills Disguse, Move silently, and hide equal to 2 times the auras bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain damage reduction equal to the the guardians bonus /- such as 5/- .

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
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<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any non-chaotic.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Uncanny Dodge

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Improved Uncanny Dodge

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise. Allies also gain a bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks equal to 2x the Guardians aura bonus. Any ally who does not any of the skills that Travelers cloak gains then with 5 ranks in each while under the effect of Travelers Cloak.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 10 temporary hp per Aura bonus point while under the effects of this aura.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Uncanny Dodge }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' Starting at 2nd level, a guardian can react to danger before his senses would normally allow him to do so. He retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.

If a guardian already has uncanny dodge from a different class he automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below) instead.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level a Guardian gets a bonus feat. This feat is to show the skill his is gaining in the use of weapons through his learning. The feat MUST be a fighter fight, A Guardians levels count as fighter levels for seeing if he may take the feat. He must meet all other requirements. This feat must be one that is offensive in nature such as weapon focus, the DM decides if it can be taken, or may even allow others. The feat may never be Two weapon fighting as a Guardian always carries a shield. He gains a new feat of this nature at 12th and 17th level.

'''''{{#anc:Improved Uncanny Dodge }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian of 8th level or higher can no longer be flanked.

This defense denies a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking him, unless the attacker has at least four more rogue levels than the target has guardian levels.

If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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|section=Race
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== An over all thought ==
I saw the drama again, I think that Green did what was right. You know why? Its his page. I know we all put our souls in it but it is what it is. I dont want to drudge things up but for example no one but green has even commented on anything i ask help for, no one has rated classes im fixing, NOTHING. only green. So I stand firmly behind him, so please flame me all you want.
--[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 10:44, 7 December 2009 (MST)
== Hit Points in 3.5e ==

I have a question about hit points in v3.5 and i cannot confirm if i am correct or not. My question is:

When you reach a new bonus with your constitution score (from +1 to +2) do you gain 1 hp per class level, or just another hp at the level your new constitution bonus takes effect.

I have always assumed that you would gain 1 hp per class level when this occurs as, unless im wrong, you lose 1 hp per level when you your constitution bonus drops a point. {{Unsigned|70.71.231.106|23:20, 5 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:[[SRD:Constitution]] states: "If a character’s Constitution score changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character’s hit points also increase or decrease accordingly." I mean, a raging barbarian gets bonus hit points from his Constitution increase. Why wouldn't you normally gain from such a benefit? I've always played like that (retroactive increases), anyway. Hope this helps, even if the link isn't explicitly clear. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:55, 6 July 2009 (MDT)

::I'm pretty sure bonus HP due to a CON increase are awarded retroactively. I've noticed they are in d20 products for the PC and console, so I'm certain they're awarded the same way in regular D&D. We always played it like that anyway. --[[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 16:22, 7 July 2009 (MDT)

:::It is awarded retroactively, though you may want to play this differently. Sometimes it doesn't make sense for a person to gain a large amount of hit points for (almost) no reason. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:01, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

== 4e Power Format Regarding LAI ==

Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to send me a message. Hopefully, it was manual otherwise, oops! ''':P'''

I have one question though. I was creating a campaign setting for the 4th edition, and I've noticed the wiki is lacking in material for this edition. Could you tell me what things are availible to me? On a related note, whenever I use the 4th edition power template, a footer appears beneath it, like in [[LPadfoot (4e Class)|here]]. How do I get rid of it? Also, very quickly, my campaign was put under 0 for lacking pages, but I've been steadily adding them. How will my campaign get out of 0? Thanks! ~[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 17:33, 9 July 2009 (MDT)`

:[[4e Homebrew]]. Since when can Campaign Settings get rated as 0? I think you mean your class. I would post something on it's talk page ans ask what you need to do to improve it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:37, 9 July 2009 (MDT)

::Here is what I mean. Without code wrapping '{{,}}'
::stub|missing nearly all pages
::Campaign Setting Rating=0
::How do I fix that? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|07:31, 10 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::I agree with you about [[Template:4e Power]] and how it automatically adds the breadcrumb to all the powers gets very damn annoying (okay, I've never actually added my own 4e class. I'm just talking about the layout). We currently add homebrew power's into their own linked to pages with each class having it's own page ([[4e Powers]] - the ones under "homebrew designation"). The reason the breadcrumb is included in that template is because the idea when they were made was for each to have it's own page. The reasoning was so other classes could use the same powers, like a mix of 3.5e spells 4e powers optimized for functionality; however I feel that their is a better way to do it. What are your thoughts on having something more compared to a pool of 4e powers and each class transcluding them into their page (or creating a link list - comparable to the 3.5e spell lists for each class)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 11 July 2009 (MDT)

::::I took a look at your campaign setting - [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] and you were right. It was rated as 0. I changed the formatting and layout a bit and changed the rating to 2, however I did not really read it so the rating could be off. And above with the code warping and dpl mixed with categories idea did you man to ask how does one change a campaign settings rating? Since it uses a template it just pulls a parameter from the template page; so one just has to change the number at the end to the new rating. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:06, 11 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::Also which edition does [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] use? Your 4e class is in there but much of it is using 3.5e material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::What do you mean? I designed the class after how it looks like in the 4e handbooks, and it says in the running and history of LAI section that it uses 4e. So how do I manage to get the Power to appear without the footer? Do I link into it like with the menu and find some way to make them fit in the powers section? My idea on that power linkage thing is to have it so that powers could have a powersource tab add to it as well as a link on the power to the classes it belongs to, so that you can search up the power, then see the classes it leads to on the power itself.-- [[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 7:44, 15 July 2009 (GST +10)

:::::::Removing those footers on class pages is a bit of an issue. The template was designed to work so that each homebrew class added has it's own power page and each template has it's own page. I am not positive if you agree or not however I think that that organizational structure for powers is a bit extraneous (for example your class has about six powers. Six powers on such a massive page (to me at least) comes off as a bit much). I changed your class a bit to show you more of what I mean. The first edit I did (with the revision history is [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class%3A_Archer&diff=391450&oldid=374143] and then I reverted it back to the old revision [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class:_Archer&diff=next&oldid=391450]). One of the powers does not have a breadcrumb but if one notices it is changed to say "Attack" to say "Class Feature" (or something like that). I am not positive with either way to organize the powers on your class. Also the template could be changed so one has to add a footer manually. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:39, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::I made [[Template:4e Power/Sandbox]]. If you would not mind let me know what you think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:30, 16 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::It looks great! Finally we can have powers without the footers! Huzzah. On the subject on the changes to the Archer class: Would you like to join LAI? You are amazing! Your tweaks have made the Archer class a rich and more in depth class than I alone (Seeing as I'm the only one in PnP LAI) could make! I give you full permission to edit anything on LAI as long as it dosen't affect the larger whole of the story! BTW the Tribal Civil war didn't happen, more like a World War among the cities.
:::::::::Serious about the LAI joining thing, will you? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|03:33, 19 July 2009 (MDT)}}

::::::::::Could you email me about joining LAI so I can think about it more? I don't want to start helping LAI and have strange ideas for LAI which you disagree with. Although I am pretty certain I want to continue developing it, with permission. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:58, 21 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Could you email me and let me know if it is okay for me to edit your CS soon and so we can discuss ideas? I want to start a 4e campaign in a day or so and I would prefer to use LAI. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 25 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::Sure, the Email will be arriving soon. I had a special pdf. sheet I made for recruiting people in real life, it would be nice to send it to you via Email. On a less formal setting, I give you full permission to edit anything but the History (Though you can add things). --[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 10:20, 29 July 2009

:::::::::::::I don't mean to be rude or anything, however I changed my opinion. I think I am going to start a 3.5e campaign and just start from a small town outwards. Sorry to have been a bother, thanks for your time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 30 July 2009 (MDT)

== Appologies in Advance ==

For all the annoying MOIs past and future to fix little errors that i find in locked pages. --[[User:GaaaaaH|- GaaaaaH]] 05:03, 12 July 2009 (MDT)

:Not at all. It's good to know where problems are - they help improve D&D Wiki, so no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:23, 13 November 2009 (MST)

== Show/Hide ==

Is there a way to hide the contents of an article until the viewer clicks on a link... like a 'for DM's Eyes only' warning on adventure pages. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 11:29, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

:[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] has something to that effect on his user page. I don't know what in the coding makes it work like that, but it might be a place to start. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:32, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

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::Easily made into a template. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:42, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

:::Of course also take a look at [[Template:OGL Bottom]] (slightly different). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 13 November 2009 (MST)

== Gravity Warrior Edits ==

I just want to say two things:
# I put the breaks on the epic table, because otherwise the hit dice overlap with the table. In my personal opinion, that's one of the problems with the current preload.
# Under the advancement section, I changed it to rogue and monk, singular, as gravity warriors multiclass to '''become''' rogues/monks, but the multiclass '''into''' the rogue or monk classes.
I put this here because I don't want to start something (an edit war, so to speak), but I don't think either of those edits are correct, nor do I think the other grammar you changed was wrong; your changes were merely a matter of personal preference rather than right/wrong. You also took out a few commas, that with all due respect, were correct in their placement. Again, no disrespect intended, I just think those changes were mostly unneccessary, and in an instance or two, wrong. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:02, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

:I don't care about the second point you brought up (it just needs to follow the English grammar rules — other then that I do not care). However, do you use IE or FF? I run Ubuntu and for me the coding on the epic table looks fine. However, since I use Ubuntu, I cannot see how the coding would look like on IE. Also, since your table coding looks (about) the same it's proably fine. If, however, this is a problem for all the class pages when one uses IE do you think you could let me know? I would be more then willing to change the preload if it is a class-wide problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

::I'm using Safari (my laptop's a Mac), but I'll check on my family's home computer (Windows, has both IE and something else). And yes, it is a class-wide problem, at least with Safari. As far as the second point, I was pointing out that I felt I changed it to follow proper English grammar rules, and then you changed it to something that didn't agree (from what I have learned). That could be wrong, but English is my forte. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 19:36, 27 July 2009 (MDT)

== Wood Elves ==

Just a heads up, but according to the MM, Wood Elves' ability mods are +2 strength, +2 dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma.

The SRD wood elf page doesn't have the -2 to charisma.

-Eonir777

== Template Limitation Dates ==

I was hoping not to have to bother you directly with this, sir, but it has not been getting any attention by enough important people. I am moving the discussion page I created to here instead. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 12:30, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

:I was talking with Ganteka earlier today about this. Now, I know that when an article has the delete template, it is deleted after two weeks if no edits have been made. Now, as some may have noticed, I've been busy recently, at the end of June and now, with a large templating project. I've been putting stub, wikify, and delete on articles that need them.
:In the case of all templates that are not delete, Ganteka informed me they just sit there, perpetually, -unless- someone takes pity on them. With the templating project I've been working on, the category pages for these template may get bloated with a mountain of articles that never get attention.
:Now, since it is unreasonable to ask the people of the wiki to collectively clean up these articles any more than they already are, I propose this: A limitation date on articles with Stub or Wikify, funtioning similar to the cutoff for Delete. If no one attempts to salvage a page with Stub or Wikify in X amount of time, the template is changed to Delete, and then the article is on the final two-week deathwatch for someone to rescue it. This way, articles will, one way or another, not sit and rot in template categories other than Delete. This ensures that the artciles that are truly worth preserving are preserved, and articles that no one can be botherd to fix are alowed to die their quiet deaths.
:I propose that the cutoff time for articles with the Stub or Wikify templates be in the realm of two-to-six months.
:Discuss. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 22:20, 14 July 2009 (MDT)

::I've already been doing this, it's a good idea -- takes out the trash. Some stuff is "vaguely savable" I guess but if no one cares enough to actually save it I don't really want it on the wiki. --[[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:52, 14 July 2009 (MDT)

:::I've just been sticking the delete on things, figuring if someone wants them, fine, if not, they're better off deleted. That's probably not the best way to do things (which is why I've only done it with massively neglected articles), but it seems we all in accordance so one extent or another. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:07, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

::::To clarify: I'm talking about implementing a set, clearly defined, official, and universal(meaning everyone/anyone does this, not just one or two random people) policy to ensure that these articles are cleaned out regularly, the reason for this being the extensive templating I have been doing recently may overfill the categories, and then nothing gets done because no one will bother to look through to find fixable stuff. As said, I am thinking the set date for template-swapping could be somewhere from two to six months. In addition, swapping the templates should -only- be done if an article in question has zero edits for the set time period. What does everyone think about this? (making an official policy for this I mean, and this proposition is mainly being made to all the admins, as they are the ones who will ultimately decided this). --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 18:11, 15 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::I started [[Template:Reviewing Template]] which (given some help) could ''potentially'' do what you are looking for. One could either build a bot based of time to change the templates (then this template would already be done - all that would need to be changed would be for [[Template:Delete]] to be added as another template option), or one could find or build an extension in MW which makes things be able to be based of time (my prefered option. Then like how [[Template:Delete]] currently does things with time could be reverse engineered to instead of displaying the time it was added display a countdown until the template dynamically changes to [[Template:Delete]] (and then the two week time limit would come up) — quite beautiful to be honest). The main issue with that right now if you look into this) is that [[template:Delete]]'s time thing is hard-coded into D&D Wiki's MW and not an extension (although solvable if one finds or builds a time extension for MW as I mentioned above). Also, continuing on with the problems with the second option, one would have to (I would willingly look into this) make a way to have [[Template:Delete]] show up as a catch-all template holder on [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. The easiest, messiest, and way which just adds another layer of people which need to work and no one which wants to do the mundane tasks like that would be to just manually change all the templates as their time comes up. This way would (in my opinion) just add another problem onto the problem though. So, if you know of an easy way to make any of these options to work let me know please (I don't mean to be frank or condescending with this last sentence here — I just meant to write a wrap up sentence). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:16, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::I don't know anything about coding or bots or what you're talking about. If I am not misunderstanding you, I didn't know there even was any actual coding time attached to the Delete template, I just thought is was only the official policy that articles are deleted after two weeks of no edits, even though that doesn't actually happen often. All I'm suggesting is that a similar official policy be applied to changing wikify and stub templates to delete. It doesn't matter how it's done; I just thought is was going to be a manual thing anyway, to be honest. And since this is not actual deletion or anything requiring mod or admin powers; -I- could change templates, if necessary. All I'm thinking of is having an official policy that says so. Nothing more.
::::::So, in that vein, what do you think? What should the time be? Two months of no edits? Six months? Something in between? Something else? {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|14:35, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::Ah, damn. So you would willingly take the third option. Personally I think if one uses the third option (as I mentioned above) a lot of problems will happen. Manually doing things like that is always a problem (in my opinion). Personally, if a time extension for MW is present, template switching could be made dynamic and [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] could be continued to be manual (so one looks over everything which gets deleted and one can not do malicious adding of [[Template:Delete]] onto finished pages, going unnoticed, and getting the page removed by a bot). On the time frame aspect I think that 1-2 months is a good indicator of inactivity on an article. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Honestly? I have no idea what you're talking about; about making stuff dynamic or whatever "MW" is. I don't know anything about this. And I don't understand how changing the templates manually will be a problem. I just know I am willing to do the changes manually and systematically if everyone else is too busy, and the policy is implemented.
::::::::And i think a time limted of two months/sixty days (fixing things move slow around here, sometimes) is a good time. {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|15:48, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::::No reason to get annoyed. MW is MediaWiki - the code base D&D Wiki is based on. One can add extensions to it to improve it (such as the dpl, SMW (Semantic MediaWiki - e.g. [[DnD Flaws]]), extensions etc). If an extension does something with time then we could make template switching dynamic (or maybe reverse engineer the hard code behind [[Template:Delete]]'s time thing to make an extension which could work). If you ''really'' do not want to talk about theoretical implications of a dynamic template reviewing system with the base template being [[Template:Delete]] then sorry. I think 2 months is fine if you want to do everything manually. Or one could just look at the article and decide again (since it would all be done manually anyway). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:56, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::I apologize, my above post was not meant to be in any annoyed tone. Curse ambiguous text.
::::::::::As for all the stuff that I "really" don't want to talk about...it's actually that I "really" don't know or understand it. I have not learned real coding yet, I have no idea what this coding thing you're trying to tell me is. I really wish I -did- know, but...I don't. So, getting off that note, two months sounds good. Do any other mods or admins need to weigh in on this? --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 16:15, 28 July 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::You could organize the a userpage subsection of yours - until the dpl can be improved to make it work dynamic - into something related to <code><nowiki>[[User:TK-Squared/Shit That Needs Deleting]]</nowiki></code>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

== Undead Disciple ==

Hi, I've been working on a 3.5 class called the Undead Disciple and I'm worried its overpowered. Could you take a look at it please?--[[User:Knk42|Knk42]] 09:28, 2 August 2009 (MDT)

== 4e Demigods Breadcrumb? ==

Hate to bother you, but i am wondering if there is a breadcrumb for 4e demigods and if so what is it? Thanks for your time, [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 20:47, 4 August 2009 (MDT)

:There, I just made some for the deities section. [[Template:3.5e Demigod Deities Breadcrumb]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:36, 4 August 2009 (MDT)

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== What the Hell ==

You've had weeks to protest against the rating committee, something decided upon and agreed upon by virtually every active user here. And you wait until it all gets set up to suddenly decide to delete it? What the hell, yo? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:59, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:We are using logic here. The method above improves D&D Wiki's accessibility and that is key. Less pages mean less places for people to get confused on. I hope you understand - your way is faulty in logic. Please watch out or a ban could be in ordnance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::How exactly is 'my way faulty in logic'? Did you even read the pages and pages of text we've posted above about this issue? And why on earth would you respond ''now'' of all times by deleting what we've set up, instead of responding weeks ago? I think all of us have a right to be annoyed and angry for that reason alone. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:08, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Yes, of course I did. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::::We agreed almost unanimously that this quality censor was going to be for the good of this wiki. So I agree with the aforementioned complaint. Why would you suddenly override everybody involved and delete it? --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 22:12, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::You have stepped far over your bounds as a benevolent dictator; you've just gone right down into despotism. Unban Surgo; he didn't implement anything. He suggested it; he didn't create a new Author template, he didn't change the Spell template nor did he add the pages. If you want to ban someone; ban ME. I did all of that. I messed with your precious little templates in attempt to help the Wikipedia project for D&D. Don't do something stupid like that; banning me is fine; banning Surgo for that, is not. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 22:15, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

== Make Love, Not War ==

Time to put a nice little flower on that banhammer of yours, let's bury this hatchet and just...get along? --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:14, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

:I know, I am still thinking of hierarchy more. Since I was banned by another one of them I will wait to unban them until I hear more of the full story - from their side (emails, etc. I got a few just they have not explained why [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ended up banning me for a bit, etc)). I would say once both of those issues are resolved then I most likely unban them depending. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

::Well understandibly everyone is a bit sour of the matter. Those involved feel like an apology is due from you as the actions you took were unbalanced as a response to a simple talk-page arguement. The subsequent banning of all administrators, even those offline - those that were not involved - is not in my opinion a fair response in any situation. To prevent the loss of dedicated and active users who make up a considerable amount of the current contributions to the wiki I would advise perhaps admitting an overreaction to the matter would be approapriate to clear up this whole incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:45, 10 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Right, I said once I deal with hierarchy (in my head for D&D Wiki) a bit more I will deal with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::In reference to the Aarnott banning (not to butt in, I was just present in the Tavern at the time) he was hoping you would take it as a hint to step back and "cool down", as many said in not so many words. He meant no offense by it, just was trying to send a message since talking through posting was ignored when it came to Surgo and Sulacu. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 01:16, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Just putting my 2 cents in. I haven't been very active on DnD Wiki this year but I've still tried to help on minor things where I can. I didn't even know you were banned.. Also, we have google ad's on here now? --[[User:118.208.168.99|118.208.168.99 (Sabre070)]] 01:37, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Right, but none should ''ever'' ban me (this is my website). Other then that I am trying out Google ads for a bit (layout and usefulness) to see if I like them or not and if they will stay on D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:25, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::I would think that lifting the ban on them now would not be too out of the question given that their user rights have been revoked (so it's not like they could ban you again). You don't necessarily have to give them back all their privledges, but keeping them banned seems somewhat excessive. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 17:48, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Acting as if you are the ''only'' contributor to this wiki at this moment will only lead to stagnation of the wiki along with a lack of administrators to moderate as well. To put it plainly, you've had a chance to redeem yourself to a good portion of the active users you've banned, but instead decided against doing so and have lost the respect and trust of those administrators even if they were not involved in the incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 19:01, 11 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. Also they are admins once again; no worries on that end. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:30, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::What about the worry of you randomly banning people again for no good reason, offering no explanation as to why they were banned and then bringing the site down because of said banning? If I were them, I'd worry about that. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:34, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Alright, hopefully they understood. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::As one of the people banned, I'd say they don't. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:36, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

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:As another of those people (having been banned while offline and totally uninvolved, adding further bafflement to the situation), I'd agree with TK. You have offered absolutely no explanation of why we were banned and the site was taken down. To assume that we understand your motives simply by reading your ''silence'' is preposterous. There only explanation I can think of that justifies banning people who were not at all involved involves a murderous psycho who threatened you with death unless you banned us, and I think we can immediately rule that out. Therefore, you screwed up and we need concrete and uncompromisable assurance that you not only will not, but CAN not do this again. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::I have banned admins before - this is not the first time (I mean historically for short periods of time). This is ''literally'' my website; so I need no explanation. Also, if things to continue to happen as they have before, it could happen again. I was banned from my own website, the servers are probably 100 ft. away from me right now, I need no explanation in my head. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:40, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Well, that's it then. You told us before if we didn't like you and your arbitrary rules, to go make our own website. That's exactly what we did. Goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:53, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::Yup, you blew it. Ciao, tyrant. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:55, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Now we're on the subject, I would like to request the immediate and permanent deletion of every article in <nowiki>Category:User Sulacu</nowiki>. Kind regards, --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:06, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::: That is not ok. Undeserved disrespect is not ok. You disrespected us, and I am disappointed in you. this place was my home for awhile, and now I have to leave. I will not stand to be in a place where the people are unjustly disrespected. I once respected you, but now that respect is gone. And I must go too, goodbye.[[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 23:16, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::"Adopt me"? No. That is '''my''' work, and I'll not have other people taking credit for it. It is to be deleted, or at the very least my name to be kept on it and locked from all edits. --Daniel Draco 23:18, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::We can discuss this later. Personally I think it would be helpful for all people related here to take a break, wait maybe 10 hours, think about this what what you guys are saying, and then talk to me about it at that time. Also, deleting articles is never a good option (adoption or locking is a much better one, in my opinion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::We have thought about this for days, 10 more hours will do nothing. The stunt you pulled and then the complete lack of repentance you showed was absolutely, completely unacceptable. There is no "take a break, wait maybe 10 more hours". That time has long passed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:24, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::With or without the 10 hours, please put the author templates back on my pages and lock them. I can accept that they will remain on this website, but I don't want my work to be changed. Delete them or preserve them, but don't put them up for adoption. --Daniel Draco 23:27, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::In case you haven't been paying attention for the last four days, GD, your opinion is what's destroying your wiki, scattering your once-committed members to the four winds in search for stabler climes. Deleting these articles won't be the same as wiping them away for good, however. They simply won't be on ''your'' site anymore. And that's the way how many of us want it. Do not be so obtuse and please delete those articles, now. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::When I lock them (if you really so desire) I will look through the revision history for different edits at that time (to make sure they are your version). Also, [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], one must understand this is just a website (located on some servers) which I ''literally'' own. Anyway, [[User:Sulacu]] and [[User:Daniel Draco]] I will deal more about these pages, locking, deletion, or who knows what when I myself have a level head as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:31, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

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:There is a difference between being able to do something, and it being the right thing to do. Noone is saying you are unable to do what you wish. People are saying it's the WRONG thing to do. -DragonChild

::I think you are missing the point that this is dangerous for me as well. I got banned from D&D Wiki. This is my website. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Hello. I generally try to stay out of this 'website politics' bullshit because it all really is just bullshit. However, this time it really got me. Because the people that got banned for no reason now have your broken trust. You are no longer a level-headed impartial party, but instead it's a powerstruggle between you and the other admins that you promoted to help you ''improve your site''. All the admins have put a lot of work into helping you with the site and then you turn around and shit on their hard work by banning all of them, even the ones that weren't involved. I'm sure the ones that weren't even there when you did it don't understand why you did it, because they ''weren't there''. You might not feel like you need an answer 'in your head' but unfortunately for the rest us, 'in your head' isn't where we are so we don't know what's going on in there and expecting us to know is just ridiculous. The fact that you shit on your admins is enough, but taking the site down so that ''no one'' could access ''their'' work is completely asinine. As a user, and not even one of the ones affected by the ban, I still say that your behavior was entirely 110% uncalled for. I am dissapointed in you, as a site owner, you seem to have very little respect for your community, if any at all. If you want it to be ''your site'', then it truly will just be your site with no one else to share it with. Have fun with that, goodbye and I didn't contribute much, but I want all of my articles deleted. I have them elsewhere. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::You may "literally" own it, but the website lives and dies by your contributors. And now we have left because you took this "literal" ownership too far, ignored our opinions for too long, disrespected us too much, and threw one too many temper tantrums when something happened that you didn't like. That's it. The end. We are gone. We now have our own site that '''we''' literally own, not you. So goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::That is fine. Also, please take note, that one has to add [[Template:Delete]] to their articles on their own. I don't have time to work like that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:37, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::I do appreciate that you will lock my pages into my final version (which, indeed, is exactly what I desire). I would add the appropriate templates, but there are none. I would lock them myself, but you blocked me. So I would appreciate it if you would do it for me. --Daniel Draco 23:41, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::I will deal with locking and adminship later; as I explained above. Right now I do not have time to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 13 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::As a comment one can always change their mind - like with [[User:TK-Squared]] and his supposed leaving (although those pages still have yet to be restored - given time they will). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Very well, as per your wish, all my pages now have been put up for deletion. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:14, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Incorrect. Now the pages ''you'' want to delete are being processed the correct way through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. That's why I mentioned above about how you can always change your mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:16, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::: I am going to relate this incident and following "explanation" to a real-world incident that has a similar feel to it. Dictator #1 "owns" his "server". Therefore, Dictator #1 believes he's allowed to do whatever he wants in his "sever" and the people will have no say about the matter. He believes that the people are creating some form of rebellion, so he "bans" them. The only difference between your situation and Dictator #1's situation is that you had no rebellion. You simply... I don't know, freaked out, apparently at the fact two pages were made to begin an implementation process of something most of the active and contributing user base had supported.

:::::::::::Furthermore, you are a keen supporter of these "policies" that you have, although finding what exact policies you mean is a slight chore in itself, yet you find yourself exempt because you "own" the site. You have breached the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Administrator_conduct Administrator Conduct] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Misuse_of_administrative_tools Misuse of Administrative Tools] policies laid down in the Administrator's policy on Wikipedia. If you want to run your site like a wiki, stop trying to run it as though you're the grand tyrannical godking of all creation and maybe, JUST MAYBE, give a little respect to your userbase. This could be a revolutionary idea, but I hear it works well.
:::::::::::As for my so-called "leaving"; it's a bad example. My leaving was a joke, it's only point was for me to touch up some of my articles in an easier fashion. But, this time; it won't be a joke. I advise anyone wanting their articles to be deleted to add this template; <nowiki>{{delete|14th August 2009|This article is nominated for Speedy Deletion under [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Articles Article G7].}}</nowiki>.
:::::::::::Of course, my logic here for wanting explainations OBVIOUSLY is nowhere near as great as the "MY SITE I CAN DO WHAT I WANT" kind of mentality. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:28, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::We have not discussed if we want to implement speedy deletion or not, however your articles will get looked at in due time. Also you ''must'' remember this was not a power trip; I got banned from my own website. That calls for drastic measures (for the most part). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Drastic measures? If this site is going to hell in a bucket, maybe it's a good thing I've got my rewrites happening offline. Judging by the stability of this situation, I'd rather not my contributions be caught in the crossfire, and sooner or later I'm pretty sure one of you admins or another would overreact. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 12:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

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:Green Dragon, you are a dumbass, you've just killed your own website, and don't even realize it. I would like for my pages to be locked in the same way that Daniel Draco's will be locked, except for the pseudonaught, which will be completed in due time, at which point, I request it be locked as well. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 12:39, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::When I have some spare time I will look into locking and deleting accordingly. Please noted that this does not mean that the admins are losing any privileges - if you know what I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:58, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::: What do you mean? (Adding the "if you know what I mean" makes it kinda ambiguous and not-understandable, I think ''':-3''') --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 13:02, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I might care to point out that you got banned from ''your website'' because ''you started banning everyone else first for no reason at all'' (Often referred to as a power trip). That is justifiable banning by Aarnott, your bannings were not justified. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 13:17, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I meant that after I had the issue sorted out I gave back everyone their privileges as given to them by the D&D Wiki community. Instead of going on the same annoying rants the whole time how about this. You must, one, be able to think (analyze things as well - like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&limit=500 Special:Blocklog]), and two be able to look at both sides of the issue. ''While'' doing both of these things you ''should'' notice what is going on. Other then that just stop talking to me - I have no time for stupidity. Also you should take a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&user=&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 Special:Userrightslog] to look at how the times correlate - then maybe all the people who simply cannot think can figure this out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::Once again - I have no time for stupidity. If you want to respond I need you to ask an intellectual question and not just say things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:40, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::[[#What the Hell|Ahem]]. From the look of things, you didn't like something someone on "your" website was doing, despite the fact that it would help the website, and you sought to put an end to it. At which point people asked you why you were acting illogically against your own wiki's interest's, to which you replied "We are using logic here", being thoroughly infuriating. After this, without attempting to discuss the issue at hand, or provide any real reasoning to your side (which you are requesting we see things from without any information on), you banned people. Now then, from this, it should be clear that it's not that you banned people, it's the fact that you didn't listen to them. You blatantly ignored the people whose only interest was to help out "your" website. This is what makes you a dumbass. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 13:57, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Stay your big insults, Green. Our ears are not large enough to fit them. I don't care how stupid you think we are or how much of a genius you think yourself. Just look upon the barren wasteland of your site a few months from now and reap the seeds of your 'ingenuity'. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:38, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::The longterm success of D&Dwiki hinges on cooperation. Let us all remember that we're in this together.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:43, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::: Here's a little "intellectual question" that you have so-far avoided, probably because it's far too ILLOGICAL for you to contemplate. But, you have yet to answer WHY was Surgo banned? Why was Sulacu banned? And, lastly, why was I banned? There have been given no reasons for this and you have just gone on and on about... nothing. Every time you've said something, it's literally being saying NOTHING on the matter. Maybe if you answered one of the questions given to you rather than saying "OMG I WUZ BANND 4 N0 RSN"; because you weren't, I was. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 17:10, 14 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::: Morning. I've only been on your wiki for a very, very short time, but I liked it very much. And now I see that a lot of contributors, in both data and actions, just leave. That sucks. The withdrawal of their past and/or future ocntributions is a very bad thing for the health and diversity of this wiki. So, I understand you "own" the site, that's nice. And I do have to agree with you on some points, firstly that you do have the final say in whatever happens on this site. You own it. They probably shouldn't have banned you, and I can understand that could make you very upset. The other thing I agree on, one of your earlier points, is that anyone is free to leave and go to another wiki. And now, since mainly admins -by definition relatively powerful members of the community- were involved in this struggle, and were grieved in it, a lot of the most useful contributors are leaving your site, along with a sizable amount of regular users. This is not in the best interest of your wiki.

::::::::::: Now, I'd just wish it'd all clear up and you guys merge again in one wiki, but I don't think that's going to happen. it would be what is best for the wiki and the community behind it, but I guess all people involved are too busy complaining. I think what the admins want is an apology and an explanation worthy of someone more than three years old, because while you do own the wiki, you do not own the community. On the other hand, I think you want to have the last word in whatever happens, making sure nothing happens to your wiki without your knowledge and approval. While this may not be healthy for the site, it is understandablr, and it would only require that any major change would be run past you, and that you are involved in planning and executing any such major change. I think this would not be too much to be asked from the admins. However, you'd still need to explain why something should be implemented or not, because the amount of work put into it by one party should elicit an equal or similar amount of work to negate it. Anyway, what if both parties just state what they'd want, instead of my guesswork? Is there still hope?

::::::::::::{{quote|Is there still hope?}}
::::::::::::The short answer is no. Those of us who are leaving no longer have anything we want from Green Dragon, we no longer have any demands, and there is nothing he can do to regain our trust. We have made our decision, and there is absolutely no possibility that we will come back. I cannot stress this enough: '''it's too late'''. Green Dragon has lost a large chunk of his active userbase, and you are absolutely free to join us in our new wiki. Out of courtesy to Green Dragon, I will not link the new wiki on this site; however, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for the link. --Daniel Draco 07:30, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

== The Tavern ==

If you don't mind, please come to the tavern. Things must be discussed. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 15:21, 12 August 2009 (MDT)

== Google Ads ==
Will the wiki be trying to alleviate operation costs permanently with the new ads? Just curious. I know it had been a bit since the last fundraiser.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 23:00, 15 August 2009 (MDT)

:A question I have. I'm not sure how these are appearing to others, but I'm not getting the typical Google Smart Ads that put up something similar. I'm just getting random junk ads (i.e. for Solar Power or Natural Herbs). I would think Smart Ads that put up D&D like stuff would get more clicks and thus more money coming in. I don't know how they run it, it just surprised me that it wasn't a "smart ads" type of program. I'm seeing smart ads on the normal pages - it looks like its mainly the login/logoff pages and pages being editted that just throw up a random thing.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:14, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

== An attempt to help you maintain your patrons ==

I feel it neccessary to speak up at least once on all of this bullshit. I am only reading about this whole 'power struggle', but from what I have seen, you have been totally unreasonable. The admins of your site wanted to improve it (as there ARE way too many 'dambass' pages floating around), and you seemed to be taking well to their ideas (putting your own spin on it, but staying with the general idea). Then when they began to impliment said actions (which you agreed on), you shot it down, claiming it was illogical. You yourself agreed to this illogical action. Then when ONE arrogant moron of an admin bans you from your site (which I agree was totally uncalled for), you end all adminship and close the site. Then you proceed to go into full-on tyrant mode. Now, you ask for an intelligent question, here; I understand temporarily revoking all admin rights until you sorted it out, to avoid being banned again. But why shut down the site for ANY period of time, in consequence punishing the little-folk for one morons actions? You really do need to help us to understand what is going on in your head. If you can do this without throwing some sort of an insult at someone, you may have a chance at saving your site. But at the rate these talks are going, you are going to lose not only the majority of your patrons, but also 9/10ths of your homebrew material. I love this site and the immense material that it holds, but if you continue on your current path, I am sorry to say that I will be one of the ones that leaves for the greener pastures of the newly created site. I do hope you chafe course and help us to understand what is going on in your head tho. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 00:50, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

: Just wanted to speak up, it's true that it ''did'' inconvenience us "little folk" when the site went down. That same day I had wanted to show someone my guide for a game they had the same day to show them the basics of character building, but was unable to due to the site being completely down and short messages taking its place. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:54, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

:: Er... Aarnott is not a moron. What he did was in line with the Wikipedia policies that this site adheres to and was meant to tell Green Dragon that he was acting way out of line. The act, itself, was perfectly called for; Green Dragon was banning people attempting to talk to him about what he'd done and, by extrapolating from this sequence of events, it's safe to say that saying "wtf r u doin" on his talk page would have gotten Aarnott banned as well, in whatever kind of blind fury that had overtaken Green Dragon.
:: As noted, Sabreheim's post is completely misinformed, then. The site probably won't lose most of it's good homebrew material because Green Dragon probably won't let it happen; nevermind he's done it before, he doesn't seem to be accepting Speedy Deletion (again, part of the policies he's noted this wiki adheres to, time and time again), this is probably due to his realization that people ARE leaving and he doesn't want to lose traffic or articles. Maybe someone should have thought about that before... --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:35, 16 August 2009 (MDT)

== Thank You! ==

I just wanted to say thank you for the welcome and mention that I hope my presence here can help the community. :) I have some homebrew items to add that I'm not sure how to make up---the HTML here is tricky---but I will be going over the editing pages to find out how to add them. One final thing, though: Where would diseases go on the Wiki? I have quite a few medieval illness piled up and would like to add them. [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 03:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:I made a new section: [[3.5e Diseases]]. I would love to hear what you think about it or what could be improved with it (if needed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::The page is good, though I am having a difficult time trying to figure out what a naturally-caused disease (bacterial, viral, etc) would be in the scheme of Su, Ps, Sp or Ex. I'm going to mark it as Ex for the moment, unless you can somehow change that to include Nd or Na for "Naturally occuring diseases" (though I am aware this would involve adding a new page to the homebrew to explain away the natural aspects). As for the explanation of the disease, I'll have to look them up again, heh. It looks great and thanks again! [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 12:50, 20 September 2009 (MDT)

== Permissions Issue ==

I have an issue maintaining the SRD. I've lost the ability to edit. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:40, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:Ah, you must have missed the wikipocalypse. There is a very good summary of it [[User talk:Calidore_Chase#To_recap|here]]. If you want a link to the new wiki, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for it. --Daniel Draco 13:08, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::I'll give them back soon. Sorry I just had an issue with the backend of D&D Wiki (and a bit of the frontend as well) and as a result permissions were changed (for the moment I am the only bureaucrat and only admin). I'll give them back in a few days, I'm just letting things calm down a bit, etc. If you need them now (I trust you enough) could you let me know please within a few hours? I am going to drive for a few days and will not have internet for a bit; so if you let me know sooner then later I will have time to give them back to you. Also I am going to keep it with me being the only bureaucrat; just so you know. But I will give back all the admin privileges soon (or now - depending). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::: So... basically this wiki will go unadmined for a few days? >_> I've reverted vandalism on at least 2 pages (don't remember if I did others) and the offender wasn't blocked. If you're away or aren't keeping watch on the wiki, at the very least assign people who will block vandals, take on administrative duties, and so on? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I know. I have been re-thinking about which admins I can trust on D&D Wiki and am not positive if I want to give back admin rights now and/or to whom. Although I see what you mean. I will post another thing before I head off a bit after I think about it a bit more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:55, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I will have internet once again around the 19thish. I'll (for the moment) keep userrights how they are - although probably on the 19th or 20th I will reinstate them. If people would not mind please keep an eye out for vandals (and thanks already [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] for doing so). And sorry about that SRD issue - I hope waiting a few days will work as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::I can wait until the bullets stop flying. When I get time, I'll wade through the vast arguments going. I only look at SRD changes on a daily basis, so I am amazingly ignorant of the recent iconoclasm. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:55, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Alright. Also I will give permissions back when things have calmed down; no need to worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

==Professionalism==

Hmm, lots of chatter these days about admin drama. Even us little-known users have taken notice. Looks like a few admins are displeased. We little-known users hope this minor conflict will all be resolved soon. I myself would like to thank GreenDragon for cancelling the Rating Group idea. IMO it was a thoughtful decision. I would also like to thank all Admins for the great work they do and have done on behalf of the community. Thank you all Admins for your wonderful ideas and contributions. We small-town users look forward the resolution of this minor conflict of interest. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

:The problem is that he ''didn't'' cancel it. He stated that he didn't like idea. He never vetoed it. He never said that he was putting any authority into his disagreement. All disagreement he stated was phrased conversationally. It wasn't until he '''''banned''''' TK-Squared for starting to implement it that we had any indication that he was giving it an official "no". Using such an aggressive action as a ban as the first indication of a veto is, in my opinion, not professional at all.
:I would also like to point out that the issue has been resolved. The resolution is that those of us who don't feel that we can trust Green Dragon anymore have moved to a new wiki (which I will gladly link to you [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|via private means of communication]]). --Daniel Draco 16:02, 17 August 2009 (MDT)

==Vandalism==
I have reason to believe that TK has resorted to vandalism[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=TK-Squared&namespace=&year=&month=-1] in his disgust with you. Admins have better ability to control this than I, and I really don't feel like running around in circular thought with an individual anymore. Could you try to step in on this? Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:23, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

: Shame he saw fit to demote all his System Operators because of his tantrum, ain't it? I sure could just get Surgo down here right now to do something about it. What a shame, looks like I get to do what I want with my work, eh? Now, stop vandalising my pages. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:26, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::You realize that your above statement just proves your own childishness. Maybe Green Dragon was wrong to begin with, but now he is fully justified. D&Dwiki is a collaborative effort. You have repeatedly refused to collaborate with other individuals. This should be the final straw. GD, if available, I would like to open up a Request for Ban on TK.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:28, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::: You're not quite getting it, are you? The Ratings Committee? That was a "collaborative effort". Quite a few people agreed on it, so I went about helping realize the dream. So, where was the "community" when Green Dragon said "No, you're banned for doing this"? I don't know; maybe you're feigning ignorance or maybe this internet is REALLY getting to you, you throw around thinks like "being childish" and "your argument now sux" and "refusal to collaborate with others".
::: And it's hilarious. This entire thing; hilarious. Especially since Green Dragon's gone for 2-3 days. Dear, oh dear. Looks like I'll actually have control over my own creations, what a novelty. Chill out, relax. Play some b-ball outside-a school. Would you have your oral orifice so wrapped if you were banned during the tantrum? Dear, oh dear. But, at least you've stopped vandalising my pages. Chin chin, old chap. --18:36, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::The thing is Liam, I do understand, and I personally feel like GD overstepped and was wrong too. You know how you win in a situation like this? Obviously not, because devolving into vandalism kills any argument you had. Now you're no better than what you said he was, and you have no high ground to stand on. Revert to your typical "e-bullying" trying to make yourself feel better, but I'm not impressed. You reacted incorrectly to the situation, and for as much as you talk about being mature, you repeatedly showcase that you are not. I require no response from you, good day.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:41, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::: Yeah, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikihounding#Posting_of_personal_information Liam]. I'd like to request a ban from George here for calling me weird names. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:54, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::You admitted your identity in the Tavern smart one (remember, I'm the one who combs through the Tavern histories!). Freely given information may be freely repeated. Those who lose their sense of anonymity tend to lose their e-peen bullying nature as well.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:01, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::: So... are we using wikipedia policies? Or not? Or only when it's convenient? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 19:02, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::: All my actions are within the Wikipedia Policies. Please brush up, Timothy. Furthermore, oh no; my name is been revealed. OH SHIT, IF ONLY PEOPLE DIDN'T FIND OUT I'm LIAM BENJAMIN WHITE. Oh wait. Nice try, Hooper, nice try. But, you're still not funny enough; try to add some irony or wit! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:09, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Sure, your last name is "[[w:Dodds_(surname)|White]]." Sure thing. Yawn.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:12, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::: Sure is. Why? Worried someone lied on the internet? Should have your stalking up to date, buddy. I saw what you tried to do with the yawn there, but it just didn't have any kick to it. I mean, I know being funny doesn't come natural to some people (unlike myself, of course), but at least try. Go on, put some effort into it, George. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:18, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::I second [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]]'s thoughts above. (Sorry Ghost, just saw that).  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 19:21, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::Woah, sorry about that. Got called away to do some cool stuff, etc. Anyway, as I was saying; you've got to try to be funnier. If you get a few jokes in, a few witty quips and maybe touch on some irony, you'll loosen up, y'know. Also, still doing Hunter? I tried Hunter once, got to 40 and changed from BM to Marksman. Totally a mistake, I think, and stopped playing it. Oh, and, er... Stop agreeing with people, or something. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:45, 18 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Wow, [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] I think you need a break. First off insults are not a good option, stalking is not a good option, and overall I think you need to take a break for a bit. I think (instead of posting things all the time) you should spend 30 minutes thinking about the rating commitie thing (and what it could mean), that websites have backends, and that some people are shit as people. After that maybe you should post; keeping in mind civility. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:18, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

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:What, exactly (and I mean that), is your objection to the Rating Committee? I was not as for it as others, but it did seem like a step in the right direction, so I'm curious as to why you are so adamantly opposed to it. And please don't call me stupid for calling it a step in the right direction, I just want to know why you hate it so. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:38, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

::First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content). Other then that reason there is no reason for a committee; one can also find people and email then about things to keep everything in check or to check articles for completeness in any case. Adding a fake hierarchical tier onto D&D Wiki for no reason is pointless and counterproductive in my mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

:::"First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content)."
:::I feel the need to point out here that this claim is completely unsubstantiated. If, to quote you, "we use logic here", then statements must be proven in order to be accepted as truth (according to the very definition of logic). --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 00:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::: I've had disagreements with several other users as to what's "balanced" or not. If there was such a committee, would it make my comments worth less than those of people who were on the committee? Would they be disregarded out of hand? Who would make sure they weren't? What if the committee couldn't disagree on what's balanced? Why should they have the primary say in what's balanced and what isn't? As human beings, we're all biased. On a public forum such as this where everyone should be equal, it doesn't feel right that there are those who count for more--the obvious exception being admins of course, since admin duties require a level of authority beyond that of general users for locking pages, blocking vandalists, etc. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:06, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::I have a few thoughts on the matter, some of which are in accordance with what you (Green Dragon) just professed, other that are not.
:::::#I agree that the template system is advantageous in that anyone can apply templates, but if the two systems have different goals (read on) the superiority of the template reviewing process should be expected.
:::::#With that said, there's no reason why the two systems could not exist side by side. The template reviewing system exists to bring articles up to an acceptable quality (improvement), while a rating committee would exist to acknowledge articles of superior quality (recognition). That's what I think the rating committee idea was at least in part about. There are thousands of 'useable' articles on the wiki, yet we have had only five featured articles (one of which, [[Cassia (3.5e Deity)|Cassia]], we seemed to agree was not really FA quality). To put it in a more tame light, a rating committee would be a compromise between the five featured articles in existence and a mountain of unsorted mediocrity.
:::::#You say fake hierarchical tier... given that some of the users in question were just that, users, you have a point, and I understand your concern. But if you were to have a category or rank for these users, such as sysop or moderator, or whatever (something other than generic user--pardon my unfamiliarity with the subject matter) then said hierarchy would not be fake, but rather real. If such status were obtained the same way as a Request for Adminship and could be lost in the same manner, that would mitigate a few of the concerns, I think. Having certain limitations or requirements, such as a mandatory X articles reviewed per month but no more than Y nominations per month would ensure an activity level that the template reviewing system can only dream of. Committee members could be exempt at times due to other responsibilities (i.e. life), but you get the idea. There's nothing that creates interest like progress. Knowing your article is in queue for a look over by someone relatively well-respected within the community--it gives an incentive that the template reviewing process cannot really emulate.
:::::#As for the reasoning for such a committee, well it's really about recognition, isn't it? We are all on here for various reasons, whether is to share our own ideas or to borrow from those of others, but I don't think anyone posts anything in that hope that it sits ignored for all eternity. That's the other nice thing about a rating committee, that it could recognize more than our numerical class rating system can. Flaws, feats, weapon enhancements, whatever: ingenuity rewarded wherever it may be found, not just in a select area that commands variable levels of interest from different users.
:::::In conclusion, I'm not sure that such a system would work now even if you were to endorse it, because to be frank, there aren't that many users here I would trust with that power (and let's face it, that's what it is, and you are right to be cautious with how such authority is distributed). Anyway, like the disenchanted and departed members of the wiki maintained, this was supposed to be in the best interests of the wiki. There's no reason you couldn't give it a trial run and see how you, and the community at large, like it. I will address Ghostwheel's just added concern in a moment, but right now I want to get this up for consideration. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:10, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::@Ghostwheel: to answer your concern, you have balance points. That way, Tome classes can be well-received within their own vacuum, and so can other classes with more orthodox power levels. My other thought would be that the committee wouldn't look over each submitted article as a whole (that would take far too long), but rather one person would review an article, and it would be taking off the waiting list. If the article's author was unsatisfied, they could re-submit it, and when it's time came it would have to be reviewed by a different committee member than the original reviewer. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:17, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::: If it's as you described it, it seems more like a committee whose purpose is finding articles, making sure their quality (not balance) is up to snuff, and potentially making them featured articles--that doesn't sound bad in the least. However, about Tome classes being in their own vacuum, perhaps we should make some sort of template for tome classes that adds the caveat explaining in what sort of environment the Tome classes were made for--that is, one in which all the clerics use DMM to buff themselves to incredible heights, the wizards are gods, and druids roam the landscape (if I'm understanding correctly). That said, [[Jester_(3.5e_Class)|there]] [[Thief-Acrobat_(3.5e_Class)|are]] [[Assassin,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|a]] [[Monk,_Tome_(DnD_Class)|few]] [[Knight,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome]] [[Fighter,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|classes]] [[Shadowdancer,_Tome_(DnD_Prestige_Class)|that]] feel balanced for the most part, even in games that don't use [[User:Ghostwheel/3.x_Banned_List|cheesy]] (at least IMO) material. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::To be frank, balance is a part of quality. But as you say, the goal of a rating committee would be to, in my mind, find quality articles, not balanced ones (although as I say, the two do tend to go hand in hand). For classes, I would say that [[User:Jota#Ratings|anything I rate a 17 or above]] on the current scale would get my vote (were I on such a committee), which includes articles for which I have had some reservations about their power. A 12.50 or so out of 15 (no flavor/formatting) might also suffice. Other material is a little different, but that's all semantics right now. As for your other idea, talk of something similar happened in the past, although it was never implemented. Part of the reason was the disclaimer was incorrect, since Tome material is not the explicit creation of solely Frank and K: -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:11, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::[[Template:Frank and K material]]

::::::::: Hmmm... perhaps it might simply be worded differently? Something along the lines of, "This page contains materials based on the original work created by Frank & K. As such, it has been made with the concept in mind that a character of a certain level should be able to take on creatures with a CR equal to their level without much trouble, as well as assuming a certain power level of all characters, and is balanced in a way as to allow for this."
::::::::: However, even with this I'm unsure if it would work, since many people wouldn't understand exactly what this meant--that clerics go crazy with DMM, wizards go before everyone else with Celerity, and druids become bears that fly around, summoning whirlwinds and shooting fire from their eyes, so without some sort of explanation somewhere just that might be problematic.
::::::::: Also, even that text is misleading; for me, ToB + XPH material is where I find my "sweet spot" for balance, and many of the classes presented there (no, I don't mean the Soulknife) are able to take down a monster of their CR (though the CR guidelines have their own problems, but let's not get sidetracked too far) without too much trouble, especially under ideal conditions. Yet these classes are underpowered compared to some of the classes (I'm especially looking at you, Prestige Classes) published under Tome material, which leads to some discrepancy in what we said before. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 01:21, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Perhaps those classes were made with the idea in mind that no prestige class levels would be taken (Tome Barbarian, for example). Most base classes that are not Tome material seem inferior to prestige classes once those PrC's are accessible, given that for many PrC's you can acquire many of the same benefits that the base class would grant you (bonus spell levels for casters, etc.) while also providing unique abilities. Under such an assumption, why would you ever take levels in a base class (say, wizard) again after you have reached the requirements for a desired PrC? As a result, the aforementioned Tome Barbarian is loaded with powerful abilities so that it can be competitive at every level with a prestige-classed wizard even if the player took Tome Barbarian at every level. It's an incentive to go all the way to level 20, which is something that rarely seems to be done with most SRD classes. So, yeah, they probably seem overpowered, at least compared to the SRD Classes that many supporters of Tome material consider so weak that they're almost ineffectual at high levels. Now, this doesn't always seem to be the case with Tome material (in the case of classes that are shortened to 15 levels to allow, one would guess, for PrC advancement).
::::::::::I'm not sure if I was on base with that at all; my head is still whirring from reading the rest of the conversation thus far. Pardon me if I was mistaken. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 06:28, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

: Close, but not quite what I meant when I mentioned Prestige Classes. You can see my personal philosophy on prestige classes [[Talk:Magus_Portalus_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|here]] (bottom-most post there currently); thus, prestige classes [[Ninja_of_Gax_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|that]] [[Paladin_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|give]] [[Defiler_of_Temples_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|you]] [[Seeker_of_the_Lost_Wizard_Traditions_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|casting]] without really losing anything, or having prereqs that force you to sacrifice something don't sit well with me. Straight wizards and clerics are powerful enough as-is without PrC abilities; adding PrCs make them even stronger, which causes imbalance. Do you get what I'm trying to say? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 12:20, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::Ah, I see. The tome PrC's essentially are unbalanced because every level adds bonus spellcasting as well as class features (therefore, if they alternated between class features and spellcasting levels, they would be more balanced)? It makes sense, but I'm not 100% sure I agree. I can't really make a rebuttal at this time, but I'll give it some thought. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 14:25, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::If they lost even 1 level of spellcasting at 1st level of the PrC, I'd probably say they were a lot more balanced, since then at least they're losing ''something'' to gain all the yummy class features. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:27, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::I agree [[User:Jota|Jota]]. Someone (if desirable) should contact MW and see if they could make it so one could make new userprivilege groups (like what you are talking about). I thought about this at the time however I am not positive if MW would ever make that change.
::::Also, here everyone goes who wanted to be part of some fake committee. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]], [[User:Rithaniel|Rithaniel]], [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]], [[User:Jota|Jota]], [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]], [[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]], [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]], and [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] (if you guys can only think this small) I appoint you to FA reviewers!!!!! Feel free to nominate articles for FA status, review them for FA status, etc etc. HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK!!! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::(don't worry everyone else - there is no need to be appointed - only a need to know enough about D&D). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::GD, I assume you're being sarcastic? In addition, some of the people you're yelling at had nothing to do with this. They're people I, personally, nomianted, some of which had never even heard about the RC idea. Thus, I hope you don't plan on taking more retaliatory action on the list as a whole. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:42, 20 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Insubstantially patronizing us, eh GD? That's a fantastic way to get back on our good sides. Note the sarcastic tone in my voice.
:::::::I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly.
:::::::Also, if you're going to elevate yourself above the rest of us, that makes you not just the owner, but also the de facto leader. As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously. Your last comment displayed neither, and in fact displayed the exact opposites of those needed qualities. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 06:28, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances. Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee. At this time one cannot. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::I really like the way Green Dragon runs this site. Its like the military. Have a problem? Then the answer is: "To bad. Lifes not fair. Suck it." For guys like me, this makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work Green Dragon. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:18, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

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:There are two possibilities there:
:#The internet is a poor medium for sarcasm.
:#You must be oxygen-deprived from receiving a white dragon from Green Dragon. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 20:25, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

::@Jay Freedman: Ah, but this is not the military. And even a military setting, without the active participation and satisfaction of the individual the whole will wither and die. To continue your military analogy, this would be like if the sergeant of a company ordered all of his men to charge blindly at a superior enemy with no sound reasoning. The veteran members, sensing flaws in the sergeant's plan, desert quickly after realizing that nothing will change their superior's mind and take all their weapons and ammunition with them. The rest of the company is left with what they have, but without veteran leadership their performance will suffer.

::Poor example aside, let me just say that while GD may have been right in being angry at being banned from his own site, the other admins were in effect pushed towards those measures by repeated occurences of GD punishing those who were only acting in what they had collectively agreed to be the Wiki's best interests (since there has already been a huge quarrel on this issue I will try to speak no more of it). The point is, the site is pretty much irrevocably fractured, with basically the entire trusted user base (some exceptions exist) gone within a period of a few days. Even some who have elected to stay are still left without the admins who helped make this Wiki a better site as well as without a seriously reasonable and unbiased explanation of why the conflict took place (most people who have been reading up on this know that it's pretty much because of the conflict over a possible Ratings Committee proposal, but others who were not involved in said conflict were banned as well).

::As the situation stands presently, there is now a rival Wiki comprising the users who are attempting to form their own vision of D&D Wiki without Green Dragon. There is also a huge pile-up of junk pages and dumb IP edits since none of the admins are left to monitor the day-to-day activities of the Wiki (while he may be the owner of this site, Green is to the extent of my knowledge only one person and can only do so much). In that sense, things now seem in a pretty bad state. How can you concievably call that a good way to run any website, let alone one that basically depends on the contributions of its users for appeal? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 20:57, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

== Daniel Draco's Counterpoints ==

I would like to point out to everyone that GD has once again banned me, for a period of one day, on the basis of my last comment, which he categorized as "Intimidating behaviour/harassment". So, first, my rebuttal:
* CHAPTER ONE -- "Whine Kampf"
:* "As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously." ''--me''
:* "One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances." ''--Green Dragon''
:* Huh. Really. Alright, hypothetical situation. Metaphor Incorporated1 is a company2 of moderate size, with happy, active, and loyal staff3. Its CEO4, Sue d'Nim5, has always been capable and at least somewhat reasonable in her6 job. One day, a client7 does something that she6 disagrees with, but which her6 staff3 thought was a good idea. In an action that is universally seen as irrational8, she6 put all her6 staff3 on suspension for an indefinite period of time, regardless of whether or not they were involved. When finally they regain the ability to communicate with her6, Sue d'Nim5 refuses to offer any explanation or apology for her6 words and actions, which continue to be generally irrational8. Fed up with her6 ridiculously inappropriate actions, a leader emerges among the disgruntled staff3: Lee Dur9. He goes off to found a new company2, Metaphors Unlimited10, bringing along with him a good portion of the staff3 and clients7, leaving Sue d'Nim5 behind. The end. Now tell me, if Sue d'Nim5 had been respectful and professional, would she6 have lost so much?
:* Footnotes:
:# The D&D Wiki
:# website
:# admin(s)
:# owner
:# Green Dragon
:# his/he/him
:# user(s)
:# psychotic
:# Surgo
:# Dungeons and Dragons Wiki

* CHAPTER TWO -- "Brain (Dis-)Trust"
:* "I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly." ''--me''
:* "Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee." ''--Green Dragon''
:* "committee: a body of persons delegated to consider, investigate, take action on, or report on some matter" ''--Merriam-Webster''
:* "Assuming we are all persons: had the committee actually formed, we would have been delegated (assigned responsibility and authority) to take action on rating articles; therefore, we would have been a committee." ''--the core principles of logic''
* CONCLUSION
:* I would like to point out that I am fully aware that this post is, somewhat ironically, disrespectful and unprofessional. The differences are that 1) I am not the owner of the site and 2) I have not taken any substantial action with this post, where a substantial action is something such as banning every admin. --Daniel Draco 22:06, 21 August 2009 (MDT)

: Oh, so it's ''Surgo'' who runs the new site? Well, forget ''that'', then. I could barely stand his manner when he was admin... I think I'll stay. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 14:39, 22 August 2009 (MDT)

::Wow, it's been a while since I posted here. I haven't really kept up on everything that has been going on, but I don't think my lack of reading is relevant to replying to your comment, Mythos. Surgo is a very good admin for the new wiki. I had my reservations about him before because he can come off as an abrasive individual, but he has really stepped up and done an excellent job. To me, there doesn't even seem to be a choice anymore, however. One stray comment here will randomly provoke a ban (this will probably be my last comment here anyways, so I'm not too concerned about speaking up).

::Surgo doesn't have any interest in leveraging the fact that it is "his website" to get his way. It isn't even hosted by him: he wouldn't even have any grounds to do that if he tried. In fact, there is someone Surgo reports to (so to speak) that if he started acting out of line like a supreme dictator, the community could go this other person to instead of being at his mercy. I don't know about you, but the thought of losing 2 years of my dedication and work at the whim of one person that '''bans people for trying to discuss things rationally''' seems like a bad idea.

::It's not going to make a huge difference to me one way or another if you decide to come to the new wiki or not. I just hope that anyone who thinks "bleck, Surgo is terrible" '''considers carefully''' the choice that they are making. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:59, 23 August 2009 (MDT)

:::And, as always, I will gladly give the link to anyone [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|privately]]. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:57, 23 August 2009 (MDT)

== Editing someone else's homebrew class ==

You may have noticed that I've taken an interest in the jewelmancer class, and it seems to have been abandoned by it's creator, but not marked for deletion (therefore un-open to adoption). I just want to be sure that I won't be causing any problems if I make extensive edits like what I posted on the discussion page. I've read the wiki behaviour guidelines, but I know that there tends to be certain customs in groups that aren't always spelled out, so I figured I would ask before hand to be sure I don't cause any trouble. I'm also new to doing such intensive edits on a wiki page, and perhaps a bit shy about it. Thank you for your time.

== Your New Adoption Policy ==

If I can get the original author to agree, or even if that isn't that case, could pages liked TK-Squared's, and whomever wants their material deleted simply be locked instead of removing the author template and putting them up for adoption? I say this because you have [[User:Jeeves|some ignorant asshole]] running around changing things that other people liked and rated highly into something entirely different. I can understand your desire to keep this material because most of it is pretty good, but I think if you want to do that it would be better to lock it with the original author template rather than put these things up for adoption. Most of them are finished anyway, so it's not like you'd be locking something half-completed. Afterward they can be maintained in the same manner that Dmilewski maintains the SRD: post it on a talk page, and an admin can make the requisite corrections. My big issue with this is credit where credit is not due. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 06:56, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:I find it interesting that a user pops up immediately after the adoption thing comes up, and is very knowledgeable in the workings of the wiki. I hate to cast doubt on anyone, and would love to be proven wrong, but I feel like the user may be someone else trying to abuse or make little of the adoption change. Just thoughts.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 08:01, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::Wow, play nice guys. Maybe this chap could become a big contributor to the wiki. Ain't stuff here always submitted with the warning "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." I mean he did adopt the stuff legit. Of course, I have noticed his idea's of balance are different. But that could be a good thing right? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:17, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Yeah, after re-reading the above I came across wrong. I just want us to be cautious after recent events, to make sure people don't try to sabotage anything. But after re-reading this particular persons contribs, I actually personally agree with some of the changes. Mostly seems legit, just different from the original author's intent. That is going to be a touchy subject. Personally I'll play it safe and just make variants if I want to change something, to try to keep the peace.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:42, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::: While I am not entirely pleased with these gross and misinformed edits on my once-beautiful and nigh-perfect creations, I suppose attempting to do anything about it would only allow me to revel in the backlash from ardent "supporters", although not the exact word I planned to use, of Green Dragon's nigh-despotic regime, so I'll do simply what I can.

:::: All pages "adopted" by Jeeves that were once my creations or were adopted previously by me '''do not''' have my permission to be redistributed/altered (kept on this wiki) under the title that I published them in, include all previous revisions. This is my right as the original creator of the material under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (GFDL) and cannot be argued with (GFDL Section 4, Subsection A). Furthermore, I expect an exact copy of all my previous versions to be kept in the history, otherwise this will contravene the GFDL Section 4, Subsection I.

:::: This should be done quickly and with efficiency. I do not include the adoption of my articles by Jota at this current time, since he has not made any edits to them and they are, essentially, still my work and have not been redistributed and/or altered. Thanking you for your swift compliance with my wishes. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:39, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::TK, as long as the history of an active page is shown - it meets all the requirements. You may be misinterpreting that bit of the text of License. There was even a wikipedia arbitration case on the matter way back in the day. Plus, you didn't catch this part: ''"You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the copies you make or distribute."''. Not saying I agree either way, just putting it here.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:47, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

{{quote|A. Use in the Title Page (and on the covers, if any) a title distinct from that of the Document, and from those of previous versions (which should, if there were any, be listed in the History section of the Document). ''You may use the same title as a previous version if the original publisher of that version gives permission.''|orig=[http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GNU Free Distribution License]]}}

:::::: --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:51, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::The wording of that bit doesn't make sense in regards to wikis, it is very ambiguous. Does it mean previous version of the same page, or previously deleted page by the same title? Two different things. Hmmm. Looking into.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:55, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Reading legal text is like running in circles. Or nascar. But after reading and going through support pages on it, it appears like its basically right. But it has never had to been enforced because people either outright delete the pages or they just move the page to a new page name, both of which are legal apparently. Odd. GNU Free is about four legal loopholes away from public domain.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 14:22, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::To touch on another thing, could you please expound on why Sulacu's name should be removed from the deviant page? I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:11, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::You cannot license that license. We use the GNU FDL not the GFLD. -- [User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:13, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::this: ::::::::::The "GFDL" '''is''' the [[GNU Free Documentation License]]. Your latest edits violate section 4, part B, of that license (which all the content on this wiki is licensed under). -- {{User:Wolf_Dancer|Wolf_Dancer]] 9:20, 25 August.

:::::::::::Oh, that. It's called the history tab - I am not sure if you have ever heard about it or not. Like on Wikipedia (pretty sure). Sorry, I thought you were talking about the GGPL; above I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:31, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

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:When you say 'you cannot license that license'... are you referring to me? I'm still not sure you've answer my question... -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:36, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::History tab. Wikipedia does not even use authors; fyi. And they use the same license. I please say do not talk if you do not know what you are talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:41, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::You don't need authors to present facts. No one invents a fact, it just is. In contrast, the deviant is Sulacu's creation regardless of where it is presented, and it would not have existed had she not taken the time to create it. As far as that other stuff, I couldn't really give two expletives about Wikipedia policies since sometimes this site seems to follow them, at other times not so much. Furthermore, you could do a better job of not being so demeaning. There were edits between yours and mine; how am I to know who you are addressing with your run-on sentences? -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:52, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

::::'''DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!''' means that it is under the GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 25 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::To respond to one of Hooper's earlier points, I agree that technical measures can't be taken to prevent work from being viewed or copied on a Wiki. But in this particular case, the [[User:Jeeves|person]] adopting TK's work is editing it, which goes beyond the idea of copying it for redistribution. I don't know anything about Wikipedia's policies (in all honesty, I am of the opinion that a Wiki such as this cannot and should not be governed by the same rules as Wikipedia), but the fact remains that Jeeves is taking credit for TK's work when all he did was emasculate the classes under the ''false'' premise that they are overpowered. He didn't use any normal things (like, say, the discussion page, a balance template, or some combination of both); all he did was change the numerical values of the class from acceptable to piss-poor and take all the credit for their good points when all he did was make them suck. Original homebrew work that has been judged to be of good quality (like much of the work left by TK and others has) deserves just as much respect as SRD material (especially because quite a bit of SRD material sucks). -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:00, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

::::::@Jay Freedman: Additionally, even if he legitimately adopted it, what's the point of changing an adopted work when the general community was pretty much happy with it (a 20/20 rating with no arguments to the contrary sounds like that to me)? If he wanted to make his own terribly underpowered, dirt-eating variant, he could go ahead and do so by making his own version on a seperate page. "Edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" should imply that they can take it and use an edited version for themselves, not change that actual work already present on the page. Adopted or not, his changes are simply a load of crap. In my opinion, if he ever becomes a big-time user, this place will really have gone to hell. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:12, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::::@TG Cid. Yeah, his edits are pretty cocky. It would seem like a silly thing to do, to assume your judgement is better than this communities. I was hoping his edits would be positive. Guess I'm just a nice guy... Anyway. I hope he decides to fix his edits and just create varients. (Everybody loves Varients right? Hell yeah!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:46, 26 August 2009 (MDT)(and may the force by with you)

::::::::Ya, one can always respond about his edits on that articles talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:13, 26 August 2009 (MDT)

== Candidates for Deletion ==

I was going through the "Wanted Categories" page, making categories not redlinked and such. I ran across the old '''[[:Category:Candidates for deletion]]''' from before the time we did Deletion the way we do now. Anyways, it has a few articles that still link to it - and I was going to remove it from the page and place them up for proper deletion, but the pages continuously reload and do very odd stuff, and I cant remove them. Could you take a look at it and see what it does for you? Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:24, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:Linked. I think that should work, if not I'll revert. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:29, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::Okay, I was finally able to work around it. They were all made by the same user, [[User:Eyedog|Eyedog]], and he was using '''deletepage''' instead of just '''delete''', and it was doing some weird stuff. I've restored all the content to the pages and placed the proper deletion tag on it.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 11:38, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:::[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Delete&diff=prev&oldid=289062]. Actually that category was the old category in [[Template:Delete]] (one can change it... I have no idea how stupid you guys are...). It was also used as a medium category too; by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== My Pages ==

Could you please go ahead and lock them? --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:34, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:I gave back userrights (save for your RfA) so anyone can. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:59, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::Could you please add [[Template:Locked Page]] to them as well please, [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] (or someone)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

:::Ok I take care of that. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 19:42, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

::::Done. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:40, 30 August 2009 (MDT)

:::::Thanks a lot for doing that, by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Request ==

I would like to the deletion of most of my uncompleted work, I can do so with my administrative power but I want to make sure the pages won't be restored (I will put the pages I don't like to adoption). Thank you for your understanding. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:13, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

:Lord Dhazriel, if you're leaving or just deleting some old work, please, let me go through the stuff you've published and possibly not finished. There's a lot of good ideas you had started that somebody ought to preserve... I'll do it, even. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 21:48, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

::You should just add the template and have it go through the standard process (see if anyone wants to adopt it, etc. Just like everyone normally does.). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:58, 31 August 2009 (MDT)

:::I know, however unfinished campaign setting or work compendium may be a little out of line for adoption. Also Mythos, feel free to adopt anything I put in adoption. This is why I am requesting the ability to delete these by bypassing the normal process. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:17, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I mean why? They are still good ideas if one does decide to adopt it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:24, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Well I can't see how someone can actually adopt my work compendium. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 10:28, 1 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Move it to a / of their usernamespace? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:02, 2 September 2009 (MDT)

== Template:PatronageRace ==

GreenDragon, you left a comment on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page about it needing "to be made into a variant rule section (with sub-pages from the CS)" I don't understand what that means. I am new to wiki'ing, so that all sounds like gibberish to me. I left a comment on the talk page for clarification but haven't gotten a response. Could you explain to me what I need to do? --[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:15, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:See also [[Template talk:PatronageRace#Editing Question]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:: I responded. You erred. These are not variant races and Patronage is not a Third Edition Campaign--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:21, 4 September 2009 (MDT)

:::You left a new comment on my CS page indicatgin I shouldn't have "back to" links at the bottoms of my pages. Where did I include "back to" links on the bottom of any of my pages?! You still insist I have to fix my races, but as I've explained, there's nothing to fix. I don't have any variant races, and now I don't even have race-specific pages!! I don't know what you want, GD. Do you want me not to use Templates at all? Is that the problem? Please explain to me why you still think the way I present races in my CS is an issue because I can't figure it out.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 05:35, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Well, in this singular instance of breadcrumbs/back to, I think you misread that, wrecan. You're -supposed- to have breadcrumbs on your pages; the note says that they do not have them right now. If you don't know what this is referring too, I can give you some examples. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 07:55, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::I figured out what you meant by "back to" links and eliminated them. Please get rid of that ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my CS page. And, as previously requested, please get rid of the ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page. Despite the name of the template, it's not a race template, and the pages that use it are simply describing the make up of different Realms in my CS.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:00, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::I did misread! Sorry about that. okay. I'll start putting Back to links in. I thought that was optional.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:04, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Actually, you never even got the actual back-to footers, which means that you don't know what they actually are. That's no problem, I'll put a few examples on your pages and you can take it from there. This part, at least, I can help with. I'm as lost as you are with the rest of what GD wants, though. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:08, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Thanks!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:11, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Wait--oh, you just got it on the anthropophage article. Good job, but man, this is getting confusing, and I've got to leave right about now. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:16, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::I'm a quick study. Thanks for your help. I think I've added Back To links to all my CS articles. Thanks for the help!!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:34, 8 September 2009 (MDT)

== Protection Request ==

I'd like to request that [[Reflexman (3.5e Optimized Character Build)]] be locked with the needs balance playtesting template. After reviewing the talk page, I feel like short term bans may be needed to myself, Jota, and Ghostwheel for edit warring. However, I still request the page reflect the true current state of the article.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:54, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:These guys dont need short term bans. They just need to learn from their mistake and move on. (And remember, Jay loves you all equally.) Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:31, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

::Bans are not issued by anyone above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:27, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== GD edits Reflexman ==

I noticed you where browsing through the Talk page of the Reflexman Build. You where listing warnings for cussing and formatting it for users. I think that is awesome. I really never thought you would actually take the time to browse that puppy for content. If I had an award for above-and-beyond the call of duty, I would give it to you. Good job GD! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 21:39, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

:Agreed. Having one active wiki admin with so much to do paying that much attention to one article, even if it has been a hotbed, well, thanks. Plus, on behalf of us all, apologies on all the formatting issues. I saw how many times you had to fix that. Wow. We suck at talk pages apparently.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:41, 3 September 2009 (MDT)

::I did not finish the formatting if someone wants to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

==Protection Request==
Hey Green Dragon, I was wondering if I could get a Protection from IP's template placed on my [[Hybrid Elite Warrior (3.5e Class)]]. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 13:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

:Please, please, please... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 5 September 2009 (MDT)(I heard begging helps)

::There's little reason to ask a second time. Either GD hasn't seen this page yet (in which case posting a second inquiry on the same page is useless) or he just hasn't gotten around to doing it yet (hardly an inconcievable scenario, given that he's the only active admin left). Even this reply seems like a waste of bandwidth. Besides, has anyone even tried to edit them (IP's, I mean)? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 16:41, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Um well, no, I guess. This is a preemptive strike. I plan on taking a vacation from this wiki and that article is the only one I want preserved from anonymous hit-an-runs. Seeing as GD is the only active admin. I thought it might be a good idea. And, asking twice makes me appear desperate and mildly determined,(all at the same time). Haha. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:02, 5 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I will lock it in given time (when I see this again) but I gave userrights back... any other admin could be asked as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:34, 9 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Gotta ask...who are the "other admins"? Given the recent stir up could we get a page set up that keeps a list of "active" admins, so the rest of us know who to contact if we need help and you are busy? -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 05:53, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Well, I am still semi-active... I can lock pages at least once a week.. (just depends on if I remember to check the wiki.) --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:35, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Thanks for the response Sabre. I also found the "Meta Page" that has the Admins listed on it (although it is out-of-date and lists many non-Admins on it). I really think it should be moved up a level or two with a direct link to it from the "Main Page" (if it took me a few tries I think most would never find it). But again thanks for your response Sabre. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 09:25, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::They are actually admins, just don't use this wiki anymore. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:47, 14 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Many still use this wiki; the list can be found on [[RfA]] (the main blue link). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:32, 15 September 2009 (MDT)

== Confusing Edit ==

On [[Snake (4e Creature)|one of my pages]] you recently added [[Template:Wikify]] with the following explanation (and I quote): ''The ":" should not be in the Encounter Groups (see preload or Books for reference). Instead an extra line should be added. ALso either a breadcrumb should be added or the current "Back To" footer condensed ("by Level" etc).'' I am not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. There is no colon anywhere in the Encounter Groups section, nor could I find anything else in that section that seemed off, much less something that warranted the template. The second part is also poorly worded, and all I pulled out of it is that you want me to change the Back To footers in some manner. Please clarify what you want changed, as I really am at a loss O.o --[[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 18:44, 9 September 2009 (MDT)

:I edited the page. If you look at my last edit does that clear up any confusion? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:56, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::Oh, I see what happened. You mentioned the Encounter Groups section, but you actually meant the Lore sections. I feel I should point out, however, that the colons are part of the preload and not something that I specifically added. Might be worth removing them from the preload if it is preferred that they not be added. Also, on the issue of the Back To footer, did you mean that instead of this:
:::Back to [[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] → [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] → [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]] → [[4e Level 3 Creatures|Level 3 Creatures]].
::It should be condensed to this:
:::Back to [[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] → [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] → [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]]
::If so, that's another minor error you might want to look into, as the preload includes the former example and not the latter. Thanks for the clarification. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 12:46, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Oh, your right. I meant the lore section instead, sorry. I must have not been thinking at the time. Although the colons have been removed from the preload for quite some while now ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=4e_Creature_Preload&diff=next&oldid=287610]). If you store a old copy of the preload on your computer you may want to update it (of course not using the old table and switching to the template (which needs to be updated on the preload sometime). And for the breadcrumb I would just use [[Template:4e Creatures Level 7 Breadcrumb]], etc. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 10 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Ah, that would be the problem then - I've had my copy of the preload saved for several months now. I've added a breadcrumb for each CR on the page (something I normally do but must have forgotten on that page). Thanks again for taking the time to clarify what needed to be changed. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 22:17, 13 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::Ya, I know what you mean. I would imagine another main reason is because the template for the creatures is not added as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 15 September 2009 (MDT)

== Clean Up ==

Noticed you hadn't gotten around to organizing the gallery on your user page. I will probably arrange them for you soon if you don't find the time. As a professional artist myself, a clean gallery is a must. Oh, and your talk page is super long and has a million MOI's on it. Time to clean your room GD. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:50, 15 September 2009 (MDT)(The OCD guy.)

:Ya, I know. I always clean my damn userpage with time (see all the archives). Also, I find that the current layout of the pictures has a nice artistic touch; I find the placement to not only invoke thought and wonder but also stretch ones thoughts. Although, to be honest, they are slowly getting old on my userpage and I may remove them soon. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 16 September 2009 (MDT)

::Sounds good. You da' boss. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:04, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::It's my userpage... You are in charge of your userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== What Happened to the Tavern?! ==

Hey, what happened to the tavern. It simply is not working, and the search doesnt seem to be working the same either. Changes? {{Unsigned|Dumai|17:52, 17 September 2009 (MDT)}}

:I need to get a bit more RAM to be able to get the Tavern back up and running with the servers. Most likely I will spend some of the google ads money on buying some more RAM. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::What kind of funds need to be raised? Perhaps a fundraiser like years ago?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:54, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

:::I was planning on using some google ads money for RAM but if people think that a little fundraiser should be organized as well I am more then willing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::::I'm sure every bit could help. $5 and $10 here and there can't hurt at least.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:59, 17 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Do we even HAVE anybody left who still posts here? Besides us three, that is... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 10:59, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Yes, the site has been just as active lately as ever, only the "tavern crowd" is gone. The site is improving on a daily basis and will continue to do so. In the last 30 days alone there have been over 42 active users (plus plenty of IP edits), so yes, yes we are very active considering.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 11:05, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::Thank God. I hated having to go in there to ask for feedback and getting sarcastic commentary. Maybe it's funny to the younger users, but to an old-timer like myself it seemed pretty juvenile and pointless. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 13:09, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Same here. I put up with it for years but recently started treating them the same way they treat others and they literally can not handle it. They freak out. Really pathetic actually. I hope this helps others learn how to be properly collaborative in the future.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:44, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Maybe we could have a vote and see if more users like the tavern or not. Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::It could be a good idea. I like the ''idea'' of a wiki chat, but in practice it was nothing more than a distraction from the actual wiki. Voting would be good, especially if removing the tavern could assist in site performance.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 20:29, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:It is my solemn opinion that the Tavern chat system should be repaired and remain. My love for it is unconditional, despite the fact that it tends to be immature in many ways and attract the least virtuous of viewers it was a place I could always count on to give me some source of entertainment or conversation, however minimal. One of the greatest delights I had when I used to frequent this site, as I am beginning to do again presently, was popping onto the Tavern in the middle of looking through articles and thinking about what would be useful in a future campaign. I would always find a witty conversationalist or a helpful tinkerer out and about amidst all of the chaos, and it helped to know I was not alone. The Tavern, in my opinion, is a reinforcement of the comradeship of this Wiki, and can be utilized to go there for quick instant messaging communication instead of relatively sluggish editing of each others pages. My piece has been said for now, and my vote is for keeping the Tavern. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 15:22, 25 September 2009 (MDT)

::Taking the above, and giving it thought, the Tavern can be a great tool. Especially if the former abrasive temperaments are no longer present, it can be a really great way to bring in new wiki users. Combing through the old logs shows that many potential users were ran off because of the attitude within it. But as Harry shows above, even with that it did great things. Perhaps we should place this discussion on "hold" until the tavern is ready to come back online, and then hold it in a better place so all can discuss ways to make the tavern better and more manageable??  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:30, 25 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Bollocks. The crowd that used the tavern (with a few notable exceptions) constantly strayed off-topic, and it came out as bunch of sentence fragments that tried to be witty and failed miserably. Especially TK's "Your mama" jokes, for instance.... I go on there looking for feedback on my work, and everybody would rather take cheap shots than actually offer constructive advice. Although I hate to say it, but for all his snide attitude, Surgo DID point me toward Frank Trollman's material... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 02:56, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Well do you guys think it helped more or hurt more? All we need to do is vote... It is all opinion; nothing to discuss. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:27, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Mediawiki ==

In going through the media side of the site, I've noticed many users have basically used it as a personal storage unit. It is filled with images that are not used in any articles whatsoever (though unlike wikipedia our images don't always say what pages link to them, odd...). I was wondering if a purging of the mediawiki would help improve the server performance?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 14:52, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I concur. Many of the images I uploaded, (as awesome as the are), are no longer linked to an article. It certainly sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Ghostwheel's Ban ==

I think [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has already paid enough and his ban is over in two day, amybe we could unblock him so he can actually tell his version of the facts? I don't want to do it myself in case you disagreed, it why I ask. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I strongly disagree with this. Firstly, there is no side of any story, as it was just a personal subpage note. Secondly, he showed his lack of respect to honor the ban when he broke policy and posted using his IP. If anything, his ban should be prolonged for that reason alone.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:47, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::Your both mistaken. With Check User [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has not been posting. Or which IP do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:53, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:::He admitted to it on Surgo's page on the other wiki as well as on another user's page there. I would link, but don't want to spam, as I feel as though that may be.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

::::[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258703 OBJECTION!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258715 DURR...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258720 PWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258730 UHOH...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258734 2xPWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258738 WTFPWNED!] --[[User:208.90.100.111|208.90.100.111]] 11:41, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::All I would need is the IP... It's called "Chck User" (please use google at this moment if you are not positive as to what I am talking about). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

== Not Twins ==

This may seem redundant to you ''(GD)'' and I, but I thought it would be good to note that we are not the same individual, do not always agree (nor even agree a lot of the times), nor do we even know each other offline. Before the rumors get started, even though some already have.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

:I don't know you... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)

== Taking Author Information off Pages ==

Would you please refrain from removing author templates from (my) articles? Whether or not they've priorly been marked for deletion, they should remain associated with their respective principal authors, as per article 4B of [[D&D Wiki:Copyrights|D&D Wiki:Copyrights]]. Thank you. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:01, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

:History as well... As explained over and over again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:17, 19 September 2009 (MDT)

::And I am asking you over and over again to refrain from removing the author templates. Being the person identified in the history of these particular pages as the first editor makes this request more than reasonable. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 08:04, 20 September 2009 (MDT)

:::It seems you decided to respond to my aforementioned reasonable request by making [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Ghast%2C_Deathless_%283.5e_Creature%29&oldid=415512 this] and several other similar edits to my pages, in which you removed yet more author boxes and more references to my personal user category from my pages. What, are you just going to ignore me and merrily continue this scandalous behaviour instead without the courtesy of a direct response? I don't remotely care how much 'cleaner' you think the history is, I will not stand for seeing my work vandalized. '''NOT EVEN BY SITE ADMINS! AM I FINALLY GETTING THROUGH TO YOU!?'''

:::If you want to erase all evidence of my existence from this wiki for what happened back in August, then fine. DELETE ALL MY STUFF. '''ALL OF IT.''' And I'll be happy to stay gone. If you're unwilling to do that, then don't touch it. I expected such sensible and gentlemanly conduct to go without saying, but apparently the word ethics does not mean a thing to you. This is the last time I will ask you this in a civil manner. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 12:57, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article. One more non-logical response and I will issue a ban to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::''<"Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article."''>

:::::... What are these sentence fragments even supposed to mean? The only responses I see that are incoherent and devoid of any logic are yours. Are you just being deliberately vague so you'd have a solid excuse to ban me when I respond? That's not to say that I ''ever'' saw ''anyone'' getting ''anything'' close to a ban for 'non-logic' back when I signed onto this wiki in May 2007. I never saw anyone getting their author box deleted from their articles back then either. Even omitting the fact that the author boxes disappear from my articles, what possible justification could you have for deleting my ''personal user-based category'' (<nowiki>[[Category:User Sulacu]]</nowiki>) from the article pages as well? That's like taking pages out of my user page's dpl lists. Isn't that like undermining the system of my pages on your wiki, as well as a form of 'orphaning pages' or whatever it is called (hence, 'vandalism', if you're too logic-deficient to see where I'm going)?

:::::Seriously, I've had more than enough of your stupid antics, and your pigheaded falling back upon your new favorite word, 'non-logic', which you seem to invoke primarily when people say something you don't like. As a faithful and dedicated contributor to your wiki for over two whole years, and the creator of over three hundred standing pages of homebrew articles currently displayed on the site, please honor my final request to leave those pages be, and stop being such a freaking bludger. A little admission on your side will make this whole affair a lot less smelly, and both our lives a lot easier. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:27, 26 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Banned. One needs to be understand civility and understand who is who on D&D Wiki. Stop just pestering people and making problems where none exist. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Out of curiosity, why was Sulacu banned? She was obviously upset that her name was being removed from the things that she had created, so it's not like she did anything wrong. I mean, I know I've not been here a long time, but Sulacu seems to have posted a high amount of quality homebrew, so shouldn't she be entitled to have her name on what she's made? I guess it may just be thinking aloud though. But really, consider if someone should be banned for voicing objections to losing the right to the things they made. I think a good example is if say someone took the Dandwiki from you Green, and removed every trace of you from it. Wouldn't you be upset and slightly protest against it? Obviously I'm not saying that that should happen, but I feel that it is a good example. Please reconsider this flurry of author removals, people merely just want to keep their name on what they've devoted time and effort into. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 16:11, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Although I won't comment on the ban, as far as comparing having a wiki that GD pays to maintain and content that a user freely posts online, it isn't really a good example.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:03, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::For the last time or your getting banned too; it's history and usercontributions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::What? Is this really what it's come to? I've never talked to you before and you are threatening to ban me for attempting to give my opinion and suggestions on something? Isn't this supposed to be a community-run site? I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused as to why it's suddenly everyone being banned for speaking. You didn't even answer my question, so obviously you are ignoring the average user, which isn't the path that any admin should take. If you feel like being a dictator and banning everyone, go ahead. Go ahead and ban every last person that brought quality work to this wiki. Go ahead and ban until there's no one left except for your butt-buddy troll Hooper and yourself. I'm through here. It used to be a nice place to come to and the community was friendly, and the few times you stopped in the tavern, it was nice to talk to you. What happened to you? Whatever. It doesn't matter. This wiki is going downhill in quality, I just think you are blind to it right now, but you'll realize it here soon. Hooper, I know you are probably reading this too. Stop instigating things over at the Wikia. If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. I know I personally just want this whole thing to end and for the separation to be finished quickly and painlessly. With that note, I fully expect to be banned by the dictatorship that this wiki has turned into. Just remember, the First Amendment is in place to protect the unpopular opinion, and you are crushing it beneath your heel by banning everyone who isn't Hooper. Just remember that YOU ruined your wiki by driving off those that kept it running smoothly. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 20:12, 28 September 2009.

::::::::::::I have never said anything to anyone from wikia in my life. You don't know me — don't say that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::He said that Hooper was instigating things at wikia.. Geez, if this is the way the administration of this site is I'm not going to put my homebrew on here, I'm going to make sure the people I know don't ruin their work by having it stolen by this wiki.

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:As I haven't even visited the other in seemingly forever, and you guys are here still causing problems - well, you get the picture. Are you done calling people who don't know each other "butt buddys" while also calling them the trolls ''(??? - Irony?)'' so that we can get back to work? You state ''"If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone."'' yet here you are, when no one is messing with you. Either contribute or stop starting problems. Thanks in advance for your cooperation.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 06:34, 29 September 2009 (MDT)

::I don't have any take on Sulacu or any other user on this site, really. I only came in and started editing recently, after all, myself. I have been thinking on this for a while, though. Why ''exactly'' is author information being taken off of pages? Watch and History are reasonably insufficient in accrediting the idea of a creature or idea to authors, even if not so terribly important. Since it's homebrew, anyways, I am sure it's not so bad to afford someone that little bit of pride in seeing their name in the author template of their articles. Also, which articles are subject to this? So far, I've only ever seen creatures having their templates removed, which I don't quite understand. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 01:42, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::I never said anyone was doing anything on Wikia. I could care less about Wikia — people going to a different site is not a war in my mind. D&D Wiki (about now) averages 8,000 unique visitors a day — I don't care about you. A war is a war in my mind. Think about logically — why in hells name would I care? As long as you guys do not transfer any content from D&D Wiki to Wikia (all the content here is under the GNU FDL v1.2 - putting it under the CC is a violation of the law and liable to be sued) or doing anything related (please see the GNU FDL - I, as the owner of D&D Wiki have the rights, additionally I, as the owner, can invoke aspects of the GNU FDL v1.2 as I wish too).
::::And why is the author template being removed? It hinders reading, and hinders a wiki-structure (editing for improvement not just saying "mine mine mine", etc.) Most people, before editing, do check history and before use many do too (seeing something from an IP is less likely as something, say, which comes from an established user). It just hurts the wiki - removing it helps the overall structure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:19, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::I personally feel as though the author template adds a bit of authenticity to articles of homebrew. Sure, while in some cases, items simply are corrupted or bettered by the many anonymous edits that are to be expected on the internet, but in other cases, it's a nice gesture of pride to find an idea or page that you're proud of, and have your name sitting at the top. All as well, while I may not agree, It's not important, and I suppose I can understand that as a sufficient reason. Thank you for answering. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:50, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::::(Haha, Jwguy is editing in above me.) Hopefully the author box will be completely removed from all articles and preloads. This is a Wiki. No article submitted to the site is considered static and unchanging. Should you wish to keep your pet projects to yourself, do not submit them here. Under every edit box are the words "''If you don't want your writing to edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" You have been warned and forewarned. Author boxes are a privilege, not a right. Again, hopefully they will be universally removed. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:54, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::::Okay, I agree that's it a kind of a gesture of pride to see ones username on a page... But it's also a wiki. However another reason for the removed I see is that it creates editing problems. For example sometimes when I am playing I print something out, correct it, however do not change it since I do not want to have to talk to that author about it. If I was not the owner (rather a standard user or IP) I imagine I would feel more inclined and accepted to change it freely. I feel it creates more freedom for the perfection of content. However I see both sides. Currently I removed them from 4e deities, 4e races, and the preload for 4e creatures (and a few their). Personally I would like to wait a matter of months and see how those sections respond. Already I have seen positive improvements from the 4e deities section by IP's - which is a good sign - however it is still to early to say. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 6 November 2009 (MST)

::::::::Sorry, it was my understanding from most of the wikis that I've been that the colon indentation is used to identify who is replying to whom, as well as keep track of subject. I read your post, Jay, but simply had nothing to say about it, so I went ahead and continued to reply towards Green Dragon's last post, which is the reason for the way I posted. I had assumed this was normal.

::::::::That said, I don't mind, either way. I appreciate you taking the time to appease my curiousity on this matter, however, Green dragon. As said, I like the idea of the authenticity and author templates, but they don't matter so much as to fight over them, to me. If it comes down to it, I'll go around taking them down, myself; I just wanted to get the reasoning for it before I conjectured any of my own, which you've provided, certainly. I can realize what problems you see for it, and they are well based and reasonable for it's exclusion, so really it's just my opinion that differs. Functionality is more important when it comes to this kind of site, I believe, and pride, while a encouraging thing as well, is subservient to that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:49, 6 November 2009 (MST)

:::::::::@ Jwguy. No problem bro. I figured you had a good reason anyway. Thanks for being so vocal about your opinions. Your not the only one who feels the way you do. Keep up the good work. Peace! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:33, 6 November 2009 (MST)

== Why Did You Delete the Bloodline I Posted? ==

I'd like to know why you deleted the optional Bloodline (Brachyurus) I developed and posted.

The only comment I see, and its only a single line in the deletion log, is "This is not OGL".

I would appreciate ''some'' explanation. At the very least, the minimum courtesy of informing me. To top it off, you ''also'' deleted the Discussion topic I started in which I asked for any feedback.

If you don't want new people posting anything, just say so. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 21:29, 21 September 2009 (MDT).

:It is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]], right? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 September 2009 (MDT)

::It is also, according to your [[SRD:Brachyurus|website]], in the SRD? And the Bloodline was entirely my own construction; I am not aware of anything similar that has been published. None of which explains why you would delete the Discussion where I ask for feedback - a perfect place, I would think, to have this discussion. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:58, 21 September 2009 (MDT)

:::That's ones not from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]... That's SRD (probably MM or who knows). If the bloodlines was your ''own'' creation ''DO NOT'' put "this is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]" on the bottom of the page. Also [[DnD Discussion|Discussions]] are for ''questions'' (not like a forum...). If you want something reviewed, like always, post it on the damn talk page. Not their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 22 September 2009 (MDT)

::::You are saying that you really thought I copied the bloodline from the Epic Level Handbook? Have you seen the UA style Bloodlines ''anywhere'' but in UA? And does that mean you did not even bother reading what I had written on the Talk page before you deleted it all?
::::Anyway, are you saying you would be fine with me posting the Brachyurus Bloodline I designed if I make it clear that I was the one who put it together?
::::re: Discussions, ok, I hadn't realized it was not a forum. Still, I would have appreciated ''some'' information ''somewhere'' about why you deleted my work. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 16:48, 22 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::This is what I saw:
:::::<nowiki> ==== Brachyurus ====</nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> </nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> [[SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus]] is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook. </nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> {| class="{{d20}}" style="text-align: left;"</nowiki>
:::::<nowiki> |+ {{#anc:Brachyurus Bloodline Traits}}</nowiki>
:::::(from a deleted revisions preview). Or is that part just superficial? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:02, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::Should I assume you noticed the "SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus" portion of what you quoted? --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:11, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::That's called a piped link... Not sure if you have ever heard of formatting or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:33, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

::::::::It seems clear that you are taking the issues behind this discussion much less seriously than I am. Therefore I will stop wasting my time with you. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:52, 23 September 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::That is a PIPED link. Without the piped link it looks like: "Brachyurus is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook."... let's see... can that be here? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:23, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== When do Unrated homebrew prestige classes become Rated? ==

My Void Knight prestige class now has 2 ratings (3 if my own counts), and I was just wondering how/when exactly the unrated classes were relisted as rated. Edit: Forgot to sign [[User:Desril|Desril]] 15:09, 30 September 2009 (MDT)

:Really it is just a matter of doing the switch. You can alter that yourself.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:46, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

::Once all the ratings have been added one can. Although one cannot just create rating; [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should have said that one can correct the ratings from the talk page onto the articles page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:41, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

:::Yes, after reading my post I should clarify that once rated you can add that information to the class page with the proper rating it was given shown.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:14, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::::Also, if you want to help rate things, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Spheres in relation to the Tome of Fiends ==

The sphere pages connected to the Tome of Fiends, namely the Bone, Venom, Carnage and Bubbles, I believe, that you have already reverted, are ''not'', to my knowledge thus far, User items, and are in the sourcebook. Adding the User Category, on that level, is not necessary, nor correct, and it also interferes with the function on the page for the [[Tome_of_Fiends_(3.5e_Sourcebook)/Spheres_and_Feats#Fiendish_Spheres|Spheres]] listing, which has been separated so that User-made Spheres and Official Spheres from the Sourcebook can be better recognized.

If you feel that you are undeniably correct in maintaining that the Spheres you are moving are User made and that perhaps I have been mistaken, please state so and proceed, but if not, and I believe they are not, they should be as they were before the reverting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 23:17, 27 September 2009 (MDT)

:Tome Material is not official material from established publisers or OGL - it is just homebrew Frank & K stuff. Thus, it is User content. It is hard to define something as "official" when it is all entirely user homebrew - even if that user homebrew is well established.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:13, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::Well could we use that Tome article as the rule source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)
::This is, admittedly, true, given the nature of the Tome of Fiends, itself. Even in that case, however, the Tome of Fiends has no user category, and as a sourcebook, I use 'official' to simply designate those spheres which were created along with the sourcebook. I feel it would be best to separate the Homebrew'd spheres, in respect to the Tome, from those included by the authors, if only to maintain that the standard provided by the author shouldn't be confused with the likely standards of added-in spheres.

::That all said and done, I could simply use another category, which I don't have much of a problem with; I'm rather delightfully partial to the Tome of Fiends, myself, and the Spheres even more. I just want to get it looking nice and neat, and without as much clutter and fully distinguishing their authors. So, that said, what is going to be used for the categories? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:10, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== WikiRPS ==

I saw you had did some alterations to the navigation. I was wondering if a link to the WikiRPS site would help get some more activity over there? Or if you're even still interested in that. Just curious as to the goals/future of that project.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:36, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:They have their own wiki since a while now; [http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiRPS] (although using the same things, etc). I don't understand what your question is (see also [[DnD Variant Rules]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:18, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

::Yes, I know they do. I guess my question is: "Do you think it would be beneficial to include a link to that wiki on our navigation here, perhaps near where we link to the media repository?"  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 13:48, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

:::We do. It's linked to from [[DnD Variant Rules]]; as discussed and implemented since a long time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:50, 28 September 2009 (MDT)

== Incorrect Adoptionations ==

Y HALO THAR. Recently I adopted a dozen or so pages because I have some future plans with them, and the original owner, Sulacu, is gone and all. I noticed you reversed those adoptions. Is something the matter, we're permitted to adopt unnamed and user-less articles are we not? Even more so if we actually have permission from the original owner? If you could redo those adoptions for me, that sure would be swell, it makes it easier to find when I don't have to comb through the history and just look up "User Eiji". Domo arigato desu desu desu-chan, ie! -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:00, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:Eiji, your recent discussions in the chat your splinter group is using showcases those adoptions as bad faith adoptions. However, even with that fact, I can't speak for GD's decision. I believe a previous editor said "just stay away and leave us alone" and that has been our wiki's attitude. I humbly request you follow suit. Thanks.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:02, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::Hi Hooper-desu! ''':D''' Well, it's very good faith actually, but the lower caste aren't supposed to talk to the upper caste. Wink wink, joke joke, nudge nudge. Anyway, I'm actually still active here (out of necessity, but that's a discussion for another time), so I can't leave.
::Anyway, awaitin' the Green Drag-man. I'll just leave this 'ere. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:11, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::As your most recent quote on the subject was the following: ''"the reason I'd adopt them is to keep GD's dirty mitts off them"'' as stated in your IRC channel, I'd say that clearly constitutes a bad faith adoption. Alas, however, GD shall tell us both how it went down, so I agree with your thoughts on waiting for him.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:14, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Where'd I say that? That's silly Hooper. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::If GD requests it he will be shown proof of that and other things you've said of recent regarding the adoption. Ever since that chat channel decided to bring up the idea of using pirate software against this site I've daily logged on and pulled that day's chats from it. Thankfully, nothing as vile as the pirate attack threats has been discussed since.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::Of course not. You know, internet... it's full of people who talk for the hell of it, and talk is cheap. Why just yesterday I was claiming to be wearing a dress, when I was really wearing TWO dresses. :D But Hooper, we've gotten totally off the subject, so, for Green Dragon's sake I'm reseting the indent and reposting my point (I hope he doesn't mind). {{Unsigned|Eiji|20:23, 1 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:::::::Just placing my 2 cents Hooper but is it entirely ethical/legal to record and store chats without notifying those being recorded? Just wondering if perhaps playing secret agent in the chat room is the best use of your time which should be invested in this wiki, not in the wikia. Back on topic: if an article is up for adoption, what makes one user more or less worthy of adoption than another? One who has made as many contributions as Eiji is certainly able to competently handle an article, unless you are saying you trust a complete stranger to claim ownership of the article over an established contributor to this wiki. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 21:34, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::You did it wrong... And D&D Wiki is fine; no malicious software should be able to do much of anything. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:49, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::Ah, I'm doing it wrong? Well then, how may I do it right so I can get them re-adopted? -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:51, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::Just don't. Just edit the damn things; it makes much much more sense (your name is added, what you did is shown, and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you, one can look with ''my watchlist'' the pages as they change, etc etc. [[Template:Author]] is just more of a hassle then much else (history; when created; does not change). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::Explain that second part to me again? I'm trying to get the pages to appear on my User: Eiji page so I don't have to search through recent changes (also, I'd like credit for adopting them too, but I haven't bothered yet to look/copy paste the ownership box/dunno how to go about that). Anyway, the link repository is what I'm currently doing with my pages right, having them appear in my User: Eiji page automatically instead of linking them one by one. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:58, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::::::{{quote|...and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you...
|orig=--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)
}}
::::::::::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Sorry, might be a little slow but... uh, I don't get it. Can you rephrase it in a different way, as right now it seems like you're saying we can't put things on our User page we didn't originally make and just adopted. Or... something, I'm not really sure. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:08, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Right; for example I have nothing (theoretically) to do with the images on my userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::Oooh. Aww, that makes me sad... that means we aren't allowed to adopt anymore (at least, not in the normal sense of "I now own this", we can only edit... but then, so can everyone's else so it's a moot point). Well, there's nothing I can do. ''':(''' They were nice articles too.
::Oh well. /thread and all. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

:::Ya, but I find that usercontributions are much better then [[Template:Author]] and I find that when using history everything is much more fair then under the [[Template:Author]] system (each edit is that edit; not under someone elses' name). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 1 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Posting under an IP because I don't want Hooper to think that I am an active user of this wiki (GD, he is seriously retarded and I would avoid giving him adminship at any point unless you want this place crashing down even worse -- I can easily back up this claim with evidence, just look at 90% of his contribs on talk pages). Anyways... To clarify, are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article? --[[User:208.90.101.99|208.90.101.99]] 06:23, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::Personal attacks should be refrained from, and they make any point you think you have become lost in your antics "anonymous". This isn't a forum for insanity or attacks or opinions, take that to salin.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:15, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::I apologize -- that comment was out of line and pretty immature. I'm still a little sore over what happened and when I do visit this wiki (in this case I was responding to a private email about an optimized build I wrote a while back), I do the stupid thing of looking at the recent changes and get bothered by what is going on. This was my "home" for a long time after all. I can take a conversation up privately with you if you want to discuss why I think many of your actions are bad for the wiki, but needless to say, I sincerely hope that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] does not make you an admin until your behavior changes. I say that out of my old dedication to this wiki, not my new found bitterness. But, as I said, this is something for a private conversation and doesn't belong here on GD's talk page.

:::::::Thank you. I'm not seeking adminship, nor do I personally feel I need to be anything close to an admin, so I doubt such a conversation is necessary. [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:57, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::To restate my questions to GD: "Are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article?" --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:53, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::They do seem to hinder articles at time; however that is a long process. I say we should work on things which are a little more handalable at the moment. Maybe with in the year or two; who knows. Or what are your opinions and thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:43, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

== Euhm.... ==

Well, something very strange is happening here... I'd say adopting things to keep them safe is in good faith, and it is my perhaps not very humble opinion that playing secret agent in a chatroom is quite unethical. Additionally, I think it's unethical to remove an author's name from the front of the page, since that's where the focus is, no matter where else information on the original author can be found. Furthermore, I agree with some arguments brought in against Green Dragon, seeing as he acts in a seemingly random manner, getting angry and threatening with bans for little reason.

I tried (much earlier) to reason with both parties, and GD didn't even answer. Not ever.

I'm taking my creations. I created them, so they are my property, and I do not care which laws you quote. According to some test and multiple real-life experiences, I turn out to be CG, and I cannot abide a regime like this. I shan't use guerilla tactics or whatever to negative effect for this wiki, because it is rather pointless; it will be dead by itself without my interference soon enough. To summarize, I take possession of my work, and I will not comply with any attempts to restore them.

Further reasons for abandoning this wiki include a disturbing lack of interest in discussion pages; no one has shown an interest in several things I pointed out in several different discussion pages, and rather few of my own things where commented upon (seeing as I mean to implement those things I find interesting or design myself, I'd like a little more discussion about things like balance and powerlevel). Another point is the apparent failure of internal consistency in at least some creatures of the animal type and a tendency not to do anything about it.

I bid you adieu. I expect my pages to remain gone when I have removed them, and I expect there will not be a problem with that. I have no need for either wiki laws or dictatorial outlashings (they should be mutually exclusive, but reality proves to be otherwise, ey?), and I shall not abide either. [[User:Deranged|Deranged]] 16:18, 2 October 2009 (MDT)

:Imitating behavior/harassment. Banned. Content is content, usercontributions are usercontributions, and history is history. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:43, 3 October 2009 (MDT)

== WTF ==

Why is the tavern not working, still?! It's been nearly three months? {{Unsigned|Zetsumeimaru|17:52, 3 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:I know... One the servers got changed around a bit and as such the tavern is not configured right; another is that, as a discussion, we are not positive if we want a chat room. It seems to be there are differing opinions about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:40, 3 October 2009 (MDT)

== Elaboration ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Omniarcanist of Caladon (3.5e Prestige Class)#Epic]] --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:18, 13 October 2009 (MDT).''

== Just looking... ==

I was just looking through some history and can I ask what MW is in reference to here:

"I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted. Please learn something about MW before posting here (it's comparable to '''clicking''' the links above and '''looking''' at them). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:52, 10 September 2009 (MDT)"

Thanks. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:15, 15 October 2009 (MDT)

:MW is always MediaWiki. Where was this response? If you source it or supply a link I can better let you know what I meant. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:06, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::It is on [[Requests for Adminship/Surgo2|Surgo's nomination]] for adminship. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:44, 22 October 2009 (MDT)

:::Surgo was not following the deletion policy. I had to restore pages he/she wrongly deleted. For this to make more sense to you maybe [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&user=Surgo&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 This (&limit=500)] is a better associated link (the blue links are restored - the red are deleted). If you see any other problems please let me know (where he/she deleted good content). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:49, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::With the current deletion policy (That on [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]) he did not break any rules. It states: "In most cases 14 days after a page is nominated for deletion it will be deleted." Hence, there was no reason for those not to be deleted. Either that or you use the argument that it also says: "When nominating an incomplete page for deletion please make sure that it is not being actively improved upon." Which implies that it must be an incomplete page, though on a wiki nothing is ever complete so that cannot be an argument against it. I would like to know how you think that Surgo wasn't following the deletion policy and then we can amend it to make it clearer. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::The pages had zero reason to be deleted. Were nominated for deletion a day before and were deleted right after. That's breaking the rules. Watch out; or you'll get banned. I've explained this 100000 times. I'm done explaining it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:47, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::Actually, you had never explained that on Surgo's nomination page (and I haven't seen it anywhere else). They were nominated for deletion at least two weeks before: Aug 13 2009 nomination and 4 September 2009 deletion for many of them. There reason for deletion was that the author did not want them on the wiki, in the past that has been accepted though after recent events it was decided un-officially that it would not be, this was not put on the deletion page. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 23:08, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::Oh, your right about the times. That's probably why I did not say that on the nomination. It's because it is good content - one should never delete good content. "''I restored all of the deleted pages right after they were wrongly deleted.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 25 October 2009 (MDT)

::::::::I still think we need to clarify the deletion policy. Though my thoughts on the articles on this wiki are that they should be owned by the contributers and can be deleted by them if they wish. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::::::That's not how they are. They are under the GNU FDL "''If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here.''" for example. If one reads the the GNU FDL 1.2 then you will see more as to what I am talking about. And the deletion time frame is a little variable - the important part is that no playable, good, etc content gets deleted. That's the main idea. If you read the "Adminship" message it explains deletion a bit from an admin side and the category explains deletion from a wiki-side. Please keep in mind that was just Surgo's 2nd adminship - not the reason for (h)im/er being banned. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:03, 26 October 2009 (MDT)

== Edit Summary Question ==

You just told me what barnstars are, and I thank you, though I had guessed their purpose, 'twas a kind gesture. But I was wondering why you edited it with the summary "Discussions get archived not removed....". Would you care to elaborate on your reasoning, or was it not pertaining to me? --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 13:14, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

:Basically, don't just delete something from your page, archive it. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:09, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::Yes, you may not have noticed, but if you look at the actual [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SgtLion&diff=420227&oldid=420152 diff] in question, he re-added the welcome message you had previously removed. That was what he was actually talking about in the summary.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:16, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

:::I replied and used the edit summary to explain my edit. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Ah, right, that was a mistake on my part. Thank you, everyone. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 23:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)

== Talosoi ==

A few days ago, I created the talosoi, a race of apelike people who live in dense jungles and ride giant wasps around. I decided to put it here, to share it with everyone else. But, since I didn't know anything about wiki formatting then, I put all of the separate types of talosoi as its own creature. Before I could realize my mistake, I put 6 new creatures on here, each of them a different talosoi (eg Talosoi Archer, Talosoi Shaman, Talosoi Chieftan, etc.). I wanted to know if there was anyway I could move all of those creatures to a single page. If was not, I would want to know if I could delete these pages and start again with the same creatures, but just under a different name (instead of talosoi, then it would be toldosoi or something like that). Thanks! {{Unsigned|Breo sabre|20:50, 21 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:If you merge them all onto one page (save the ones you cannot - the mounts; wasps, etc.) and add [[Template:Delete]] to the now merged ones it should cover your problem. Although one ''can'' "merge" all the pages together with their respective revision histories it's a long process and complicated; it's easier this way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 October 2009 (MDT)

== D20 Modern Material ==

:''Discussion moved from [[User talk:Tabris#D20/4e Issues]]'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

Please do not move my weapon contributions (namely flashbang, phosphorus grenade and smoke bomb.) as they were not made for d20 modern but instead as homebrew weapons for the dnd 4e game which I DM for.

If there is a way to set my creations to private please let me know as I do not want my contributions to be edited at all. I like them as they are but I do not know how to change the editing options to locked/protected. {{Unsigned|Tabris|01:23, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:Please read the warning when you are editing on the site. It reads as follows: ''"If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here."''.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 06:36, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

::Thats not helpful at all Hooper, I'm aware of this however my equipment is posted under 4e equipment for a reason: It's 4e equipment {{Unsigned|Tabris|15:27, 27 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:::I believe that the reasons some of the pages have been misappropriated is that they were not all originally coded the way fourth edition material should of been, giving the appearance of D&D or D20 equipment. Admins are busy so it is easy to see how that may have been the issue. Anyways, please note that the identifier on the pages should read "(4e Equipment)" not "(4E Equipment)" and in the future I wouldn't edit war with an admin, just make a nice and simple explanation and ask why they think something is not what it is ''(i.e. in this case just ask what is giving GD the impression it is D20 equipment and then fix that before doing all this reverting)''. Just usually not a good idea to remove admin edits.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:28, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

::::Please sign your posts using four tildes, like so: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. Please see your talk page for more info.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 16:29, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

:::::You can move them to a subuserpage of your userpage area; at most (keeping them 4e) and changing the templates around so they do not show up anywhere. Simply flashbang grenades, phosphorus grenades and smoke bombs do not fit into 4e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 27 October 2009 (MDT)

== Editing, Overdeity ==

Hey, I got a question about the deities. When making them, I'm confused about how to write the "What type of god is it" part. If you look Saran up, you see on the page, there is that error, I need help on that. Thanks! {{Unsigned|CelticHippie|20:17, 28 October 2009 (MDT)}}

:That should help. See the diff in question to see the edit change. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 28 October 2009 (MDT)

== Canidates for Deletion ==

Hey GD. I was looking through some of the articles in the Deletion Catagory. There are more than a few that have been unedited and abandoned for many months. I say this because I have about 15 articles I made myself that need to be deleted. How often does this site clear out those pages? Thanks. (Wow, I just noticed their are 3 pages worth of stuff waiting to be deleted. Almost 500 articles.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:31, 29 October 2009 (MDT)

:It's getting worked on... Just keep adding them. A matter of weeks ago it was more then double the current amount (six or more pages) - so it's slowly getting cleared. Everything has to get by-hand looked at (since "What links here", talk pages, links, etc can be strange) so it's just a work in progress. They will get deleted though if need be (or authorship stripped). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 29 October 2009 (MDT)

::Sounds good. Thanks for the update. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:19, 31 October 2009 (MDT)

== Arcane Archer ==

I rated the Arcane Archer class, but the number of ratings nor the overall ratings didnt change, why is this? --[[User:Zackrb|Zackrb]]

:You posted your rating on the talk page. But, that is only half of rating. You must edit the article itself to reflect your rating. Their are placeholders for ratings when editing the article itself. Updating these causes a overall rating to appear on the article when viewed. (Please remember to sign your posts.) --[[User:129.123.245.182|129.123.245.182]] 03:04, 2 November 2009 (MST)

== Thanks for helping me fix my format ==

--[[User:Frodo Goofball|Frodo Goofball]] 06:30, 9 November 2009 (MST)

== NEW ==

Her im kinda new here and a was gonna set up a page for my friends to use my Digimon and Pokemon races and classes i know that might sound stupid but hey to each his own, any way you put up my renamon page for deletion and a wasen't done with it yet i'm not sure wether it was because of that or the fact that it's a digimon, if you don't want digimon and stuff on there a will not put it on there :) just let me know.
(p.s.) i did'nt understand the way you set stuff up till now so i understand if the page was just in the way {{Unsigned|Corycodered|01:00, 12 November 2009 (MDT)}}

:Well what is it? A creature? It's not formatted like anything... If you follow a preload (go to a certain section and click the "add" button - that text) and update the current thing to fit that the delete template will be removed. If you don't want to do that of course you can move it to a subuserpage of yours (e.g. User:Corycodered/Renamon) then no formatting is needed. But one of those is needed for the delete template to be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:17, 12 November 2009 (MST)

I'd like my user page deleted, if possible. Thanks
[[User:Palantini|Palantini]] 16:51, 14 November 2009 (MST)

== WikiRPS ==

Hello. I joined this wiki from the WikiRPS, and I've been trying to find out who is running that wiki. While I could and probably will eventually get active here, right now I'm more driven towards working on a more broad system, adapting historical, current, and sci-fi culture, weapons, and technology to an open RPS, not necessarily D&D. Thanks. --[[User:Madkcat|Madkcat]] 00:47, 18 November 2009 (MST)

:Pretty sure [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] is, although [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] may be as well (I am not sure), or DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:53, 18 November 2009 (MST)

::As far as I have been able to find, [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] hasn't been active since December '07, [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] June '09 and DotHectate ([http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Special:Listusers/sysop Special:Listadmins]) since June '08 on WikiRPS.
::I have some ideas of what to do, and how I'd like to do it, but I don't want to start messing with the Wiki until I can talk with someone who was/is active in WikiRPS to make sure I'm not stepping on toes, or causing problems by jumping in running.
::--[[User:Madkcat|madkcat]] 01:18, 18 November 2009 (MST)

:::I'm not in charge on WikiRPS. This wiki, where I did the initial setup, I know what's going on. There I do not — I have maybe only gone there a matter of times. you would have to ask one of them what's going on. Sorry about that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 18 November 2009 (MST)

== Language Style ==

As a born British English man, I'm somewhat accustomed to the British language. But I only could assume that this D&D Wiki is American, so in my language fixing, I didn't change anything like "armor" to "Armour" or vica versa, because I was unaware of what to do about it. So now I ask you, do I correct spellings to American or British English? Or something else, if that's how you roll.--[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 11:01, 22 November 2009 (MST)

:It's American English. I recommend taking a look at [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:51, 22 November 2009 (MST)

::Guessed as much. And thanks, I'll take a look at that. Your response and help is appreciated. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 00:02, 23 November 2009 (MST)

:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 23 November 2009 (MST)

== Vacation ==

I am taking a short five day long vacation or so down to New Mexico. I will have limited computer access however if everyone could keep an eye out for malicious edits, vandalism, etc it would be much appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:23, 25 November 2009 (MST)

== could u help? ==

Hi i was trying to find out if a slam attack is like an unarmed strike for the perpose of feats?

If u could e-mail me what u think that would be great

wolffboy66@yahoo.ca

== Hey ==

Im the one that sent the recent 7 dollar through paypal, can you keep me updated when you guys run donation drives so i can donate what i can. Also if you dont mind can you look over some the contributions that i made since i signed up to see if you feel they are constructive. Mainly i feel in love with aura guardian but want some feedback before i keep at it.

Thanks!
Starcry/novabladex

Aura Guardian (3.5e Class)

2009-12-06T19:17:07Z

Starcry:

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==Guardian==
[[Image:Guardian.jpg|thumb|A Guardian.]]
===Making a Guardian===

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Abilities:''' Guardians spend their time defending others in the party, so a high CON is key. Also having a high STR will aid in fending off the enemies that are on the assault.

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any Non-chaotic, Non-Evil.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d4×10 gp (150 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +2 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +1

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Uncanny Dodge

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | Guardian Stature

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Swift Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +2

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +1
| class="left" | Stable Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Improved Uncanny Dodge

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | Extend Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +3

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | Special Mount

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +8 || +3
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | Swiftest aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Dual Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +4

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Negative Aura

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Bonus Feat

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +11 || +11 || +5
| class="left" | Aura Burst

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Mystic Transfer

|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | Guardian Aura +5, Final Honor

|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Handle Animal (Cha), Heal (Wis), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Ride (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Guardian.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' A guardian is proficient with all simple and martial weapons and with all armor (heavy, medium, and light) and shields (including tower shields).

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of many auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. The Guardian may use only auras that are of the same or lower level than his total levels in Guardian. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance 2 to the energy type of your choice per bonus of the aura.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise. Allies also gain a bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks equal to 2x the Guardians aura bonus. Any ally who does not any of the skills that Travelers cloak gains then with 5 ranks in each while under the effect of Travelers Cloak.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv10):''' Allies gain a +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects for each point of the Guardians Aura bonus. If an ally fails a saving throw against any fear effect he may roll the dice a second time, taking the higher of the two rolls, the ally only gains half the morale bonus (rounded up) on the second dice roll.

'''Travelers Speed (Lv15):''' Allies and any mount in range of this aura double their normal base land speed while under the effect of this aura. This aura may be used 1 hour per day per point of aura bonus. If at any time during the use of this aura any ally under its effect makes an aggressive action against anything (including inanimate objects) this aura's effects ends and may not be used again for 24 hours.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft +10ft per aura bonus point.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 10 temporary hp per Aura bonus point while under the effects of this aura.

'''''Aura Bonus:''''' At First level a guardian gains a +1 bonus to his auras this increases by +1 every 5 levels thereafter so it becomes +2 at 5th level +3 at 10th level and so on.

'''''{{#anc:Uncanny Dodge }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' Starting at 2nd level, a guardian can react to danger before his senses would normally allow him to do so. He retains his Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses his Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.

If a guardian already has uncanny dodge from a different class he automatically gains improved uncanny dodge (see below) instead.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian’s Stature }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' When a guardian reaches 5th level, he no longer takes the movement penalty for wearing heavy armor or carrying a heavy load. All other penalties, such as check penalties and spell failure, still apply regularly.

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' At 7th level, a guardian gets a bonus combat-oriented feat. The guardian gains an additional bonus feat at 12th level and 18th. These bonus feats must be drawn from the feats noted as fighter bonus feats. A guardian must still meet all prerequisites for a bonus feat, including ability score and base attack bonus minimums.

These bonus feats are in addition to the feat that a character of any class gets from advancing levels. A guardian is not limited to the list of fighter bonus feats when choosing these feats.

'''''{{#anc:Improved Uncanny Dodge }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian of 8th level or higher can no longer be flanked.

This defense denies a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking him, unless the attacker has at least four more rogue levels than the target has guardian levels.

If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

'''''{{#anc:Special Mount }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' Upon reaching 5th level, a guardian gains the service of an unusually intelligent, strong, and loyal steed to serve him in his mission. This mount is usually a heavy warhorse (for a Medium guardian) or a warpony (for a Small guardian). However, guardians may choose other mounts with the approval of the GM.

Once per day, as a full-round action, a guardian may magically call his mount from the celestial realms in which it resides. This ability is the equivalent of a spell of a level equal to one-third the guardian’s level. The mount immediately appears adjacent to the guardian and remains for 2 hours per guardian level; it may be dismissed at any time as a free action. The mount is the same creature each time it is summoned, though the guardian may release a particular mount from service.

Each time the mount is called, it appears in full health, regardless of any damage it may have taken previously. The mount also appears wearing or carrying any gear it had when it was last dismissed. Calling a mount is a conjuration (calling) effect.

Should the guardian’s mount die, it immediately disappears, leaving behind any equipment it was carrying. The guardian may not summon another mount for thirty days or until he gains a guardian level, whichever comes first, even if the mount is somehow returned from the dead. During this thirty-day period, the guardian takes a –1 penalty on attack and weapon damage rolls and looses its Guardian Aura ability.

'''''{{#anc:Final Honor }}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A guardian may attempt to sacrifice himself to kill an opponent at time of sacrifice. If target beats save (Fortitude DC 20 + Con Mod + highest attack bonus), than its health is reduced by 50%, and the guardian instantly dies. If target fails the save, they are instantly killed and so is the guardian. If the guardian is killed this way, then he becomes an honored servant of a deity. This ability is only useable once and requires three rounds to prepare, and he cannot perform any action during these three rounds and must be in sight of the target.

====Ex-Guardians====

When a guardian becomes chaotic, he looses his Guardian Aura and Special Mount. He cannot thereafter gain levels as a guardian until he atones (see the '''''atonement''''' spell description, page 201, PHB 3.5)

====Epic Guardian====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Guardian}}</div>
Hit Die: d12
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 21st || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 24th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 25th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +6
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 26th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 27th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 28th || class="left" | Bonus Feat
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 29th || class="left" | -
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"
| 30th || class="left" | Guardian Aura +7, Bonus Feat
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
3 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''''{{#anc:Bonus Feat }}''''' The epic guardian gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic fighter bonus feats) every two levels after 20th.

Epic Fighter Bonus Feat List: Armor Skin, Combat Archery, Damage Reduction, Devastating Critical, Dire Charge, Distant Shot, Energy Resistance, Epic Endurance, Epic Leadership, Epic Prowess, Epic Toughness, Epic Weapon Focus, Epic Weapon Specialization, Exceptional Deflection, Improved Combat Reflexes, Improved Manyshot, Improved Stunning Fist, Improved Whirlwind Attack, Infinite Deflection, Instant Reload, Legendary Commander, Legendary Rider, Legendary Wrestler, Overwhelming Critical, Penetrate Damage Reduction, Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting, Reflect Arrows, Spellcasting Harrier, Storm of Throws, Superior Initiative, Swarm of Arrows, Two-Weapon Rend, Uncanny Accuracy. In addition to the feats on this list, the fighter may treat any feat designated as a Fighter Bonus Feat, but not listed here, as being on his or her bonus feat list.

'''''{{#anc:Guardian Aura }} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''''' A guardian can choose one of seven auras that affect all allies within 30ft. Only one aura can be active one at a time. It takes a standard action to activate the aura. This is a constant effect that lasts until the guardian dies or is considered unconscious.

'''--Auras--'''

'''Protector’s Defense (Lv1):''' Allies gain AC equal to aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Defender’s Strike (Lv1):''' Allies gain +1 to their Base Attack Bonus equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this ability.

'''Elemental Defense (Lv5):''' Allies gain resistance to the energy type of your choice equal to the aura’s bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

'''Protector’s Courage (Lv5):''' Allies gain a +4 morale bonus on saving throws against fear effects.

'''Travelers Cloak (Lv10):''' Allies gain the aura’s bonus to Disguise.

'''Defender’s Sight (Lv15):''' Allies gain the ability of Darkvision 30ft.

'''Fortification (Lv20):''' Allies gain 5 hp X the aura bonus. The guardian does not benefit from this.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Guardian====

{{Section Description Needed}}

'''Religion:''' Most Guardians in the world do not follow one deity. However they are known to follow any god that provides protection as one of their domains.

'''Other Classes:''' Guardians fit into just about every adventuring party that they come by or join. They tent to be very helpful in many ways as far as setting up camps or helping fix a broken cart. Most Guardians become either Clerics, following toward stronger ways to protect, or become Fighters becoming stronger on their own.

'''Combat:''' Typically a Guardian takes up the front line of combat in most situations. They will not focus on seeking out an opponent, they rather help an ally overcome their's and protect them.

====Guardians in the World====

{{Section Description Needed}}

{{quote| My life for yours!|orig=Dykon, Human Aura Guardian}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregtate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' Due to the fact that the sole reason for an Aura Guardian to live is to protect others most everyone loves them. Wizards enjoy adventuring with Aura Guardians more than almost any other class due to the fact that they are able to cast freely and feel safe when concentrating on a spell, while sorcerers enjoy the protection provides conflicts sometimes arise due to the free spirited nature of the sorcerer. Ranged attackers also enjoy the protection provided. Rouges, ninjas, and the like are often put off by the fact that they must remain so close the the Guardian in order to truly benefit them and its a little hard to be sneaky with a walking pile of metal 20 feet away.

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