https://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php?action=feedcontributions&user=Spamage+Damage&feedformat=atomD&D Wiki - User contributions [en]2024-03-29T08:05:46ZUser contributionsMediaWiki 1.35.8https://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=238219User talk:Green Dragon2008-03-11T16:53:53Z<p>Spamage Damage: New section: Brawler class</p>
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== Spells to look at ==<br />
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* [[Kaioken (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Ki Barrage (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Alchemical Domain (DnD Cleric Domain)]]<br />
* [[Ki Ball (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Spirit Bomb (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Epic Fireball (DnD Epic Spell)]]<br />
* [[Kamehameha Wave (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Envy Domain (DnD Cleric Domain)]]<br />
* [[Summon Hecatoncheires (DnD Epic Spell)]]<br />
* [[Special Beam Cannon (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Avatar (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Complete Restoration (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Spectrum (DnD Cleric Domain)]]<br />
* [[Culture Control (DnD Epic Spell)]]<br />
* [[Alternative Spider Domain (DnD Cleric Domain)]]<br />
* [[Ki Bullet (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Word (DnD Cleric Domain)]]<br />
* [[Kamehameha Wave, Greater (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Ki Barrage, Lesser (DnD Spell)]]<br />
* [[Kamehameha Wave, Lesser (DnD Spell)]]<br />
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== Copyright Issues and Legal Hoopla ==<br />
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Hi,<br />
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Just a quick question as far as making classes, monsters, etc. acquired from a premade source go. Exactly how far is considered plagarism and a legal issue?<br />
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Let's take 2 examples. One class I'm working on (will stick it up here after I get some peer feedback from my group)is inspired by a classic Warhammer plague monk. However, I never use the words "Skaven" or "Plague Monk" throughout the class page and he does not solely rely upon disease, unlike in Warhammer.<br />
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The other example is a blatant conversion of the "Pyro" from Team Fortress 2 into a DnD class. This is the one I'm more concerned about.<br />
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What do you suggest? --[[User:Barnacle Ed|Barnacle Ed]] 12:20, 16 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] to the bottom and it should be okay. Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:27, 17 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. I'll stick that on the final draft of the Pyro once I finish it --[[User:Barnacle Ed|Barnacle Ed]] 16:50, 17 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::Sounds good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:06, 18 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Should there be ==<br />
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An Elder Evil section for homebrew and SRD? *By elder evil I mean like the ones introduced in the new elder evil book* Because they don't fit in either the monster nor the deity niche. Considering their uniqueness such as their own qualities and their sign, as well as their aspects, they seem different enough for their own section. --[[User:Shockwave91012|Shockwave91012]] 11:08, 18 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I would start by adding them to [[DnD Other|Other]] and as we get more and more submission we can make a separate section for them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:05, 18 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Any creature with stats go in either the creature section or the NPC section (maybe both). We can create a subsection for unique creatures. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:06, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::Just as [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] said ''';)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== D&D Wiki's Birthday ==<br />
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Me and D&D Wiki Share the same Birthday LOL {{Unsigned|Ktonos|04:39, 23 February 2008 (MST)}}<br />
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:Nice! That's already two people with the same birthday, it must be a popular one ''':P'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:13, 23 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Modification ==<br />
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Is there a way, to protect my page for edition on it material (not that i don't understand the meaning of a wiki but you understand that i put a lot of effort in those pages), or at least being warned when someone edit one of my page. If someone have a good idea i am likely to agreed for the change but i would like if by example someone change the statistic of my elves for the base elves. I hope you understand my point (my player will refer at the wiki).<br />
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With all respect [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]]. 09:42, 25 February 2008<br />
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:Yes, we can lock your page so that no one but sys admins can edit it, you can also 'watch' your page and when you go to your watchlist it will tell you when the page has been changed. If you want the pages locked, please post a list of which pages you would like locked. And please sign all your posts like by adding <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> to the end of your post. Thank you --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 11:19, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::You really have three choices here. One is to "watch" the page in question (edit the page, check "Watch this page" (right below the edit summary), and then press "Save page"). Another option is to lock the page from all edits save sysop edits, and the last choice is to lock the page from all IP edits. Let me know what you decide to do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::hmmmm....what would be the benefices of each of those --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Mister DM]] 19:23, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::Watching your page will allow you to go to your "watchlist" (at the top right) and see if any changes have been made. The advantage to that is if any users want to correct spelling or grammar on you page (which I often do when I see it), they can just do it. Blocking it from IPs can prevent vandalism, but users here revert any vandalism that happens anyways. Locking it in general can be a pain because you will have to ask for it to be unlocked to edit it, but nobody else will make any changes to it. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:27, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::I must admit me that i do a lot of spelling error... Put it on my watchlist seem to be the best solution but follow a whole campaign will be hard, locking it from ip seem like a good idea because i update my stock every ten seconds....User won't destroy my page anyway. I must reflect on this.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Mister DM]] 23:20, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::: Okay i want to lock them from, my player are mischievous and would be happy to spoil my work or to change some of my rule for the benefit of their characters.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Mister DM]] 12:10, 1 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::::An IP lock or a full lock? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:12, 1 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::::::When i talk about spelling error, an IP lock, i don't believe i did't wrote the most important, ironic no.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 14:52, 1 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::I am sorry, I do not understand what you are saying... Would you prefer an IP lock on your CS? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::: Yes an IP lock on my campaign setting, sorry english is not my native language so i may do some mistake.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 20:43, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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==The WotC forums==<br />
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Well I waited this long hoping maybe they just didn't get to my message yet... And it seems... I HAVE BEEN IGNORED. So I am guessing that means no. And sorry i haven't been on in quite the while, school is hell right now. Football is sucking up most of my time. And i just built my new computer. GO PROCESSING POWER.<br />
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Anyway, it sucks that we can't save the compendium... Now i need to find something else to work on =(<br />
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(it would be nice if you gave me something specific...) also i have a ton of stuff from AD&D both the original and the 2nd edition. Things like advanced wizard info, advanced paladin, psionics... Fiend folio... If there is anything out of AD&D you need I can let you know if i have it.--[[User:Cerin616|Cerin616, Drew]] 16:51, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Hm... If you are looking for a task I would recommend adding information about every 3rd party published item to D&D Wiki via the [[Publication List]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:32, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Nice! I have a ton of onld DnD books, and about a billion editions of dragon magazine somewhere. What exactly needs doing in the Dragon Magazine section. I have all the old ones. 2 big stacks.almost 100 mags. I also have polyhedron, another periodical. A bunch of them.--[[User:Cerin616|Cerin616, Drew]] 17:16, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::To get a more detailed synopsis of what needs to be done just ask [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]]. I am sure he will be more than happy to help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:51, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Animal Leader ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Animal Leader (DnD Class)#Commentary]]&nbsp;<small>As it pertained just to that class --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:07, 4 March 2008 (MST)</small>''<br />
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== Dogs ==<br />
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When i was thinking of the dog race i was developing, and i was wondering if i can make one race page and have multiple races on it {{Unsigned|Xdeletedx|16:53, 27 February 2008 (MST)}}<br />
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:I don't really understand what you are asking. Would you mind elaborating more? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:22, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::You make one race and put that on one page, then you make variants for that race but you thought of a lot of them and deciede to put them all on the one race page. --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 02:32, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::Hm... I would actually recommend separate pages for each variant to the main race. Just like them together. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Lorechaser ==<br />
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I hope the recent score reduction you made in the "formatting" section in the [[Lorechaser (DnD Class)|Lorechaser]] class wasn't because of my edits...was it? ''':S''' --[[User:Othtim|Othtim]] 17:33, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Not at all. It was just because I have gotten more accustomed to rating classes. It was just that I looked over the class again and I thought "this class really is not a 4..." What really brought it down to a three were things I had overlooked the first time, such as the headers. It was not your edits at all, it was me mis-rating it the first time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== About the Brenthar's Hammer quest. ==<br />
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Is it ok if I just start adding stuff to that and fixing things? I have some ideas right now.--[[User:Hatman|Hatman]] 13:40, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Yup, please feel free to help it out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:44, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks.--[[User:Hatman|Hatman]] 09:03, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Campaign and Homebrew ==<br />
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I have a problem, normally my campaign items should bear the (Ascyria Supplement) but the homebrew section must bear the (DnD) right. I want to place my campaing item in the homebrew section too but when i feel out of the way when the (Ascyria Supplement) appear. I tried to do redirection page but it never appeared and i think i cause a bit of mess (renaming one of my item three times). The big problem is some of my item (human, elves etc.) may bear the same name as other articles i tought putting Elves, Ascyria (Dnd Race) to show the difference will it be a good idea. I must excuse for the mess i have done and unfortunately the mess that will come if i do an error. If im wrong somewhere in the line correct me please.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 20:40, 4 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Elves, Ascyria (DnD Race) would be correct. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== SRD Sorcerer/ Wizard list problem ==<br />
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I don't know if you know but the wizard sorcerer spell list have some problem. I was browsing spell for my witch class when i saw that many of the links were not exact. By example the spell nightmare direct us on the creature and mass bull strength is uncompleted. I can't list them but they are many, if it was on my i would have corrected it but i can't edit the pages so.... hope i helped you.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 19:04, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Spider Rider Prestige Class ==<br />
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I just thought I think that the first class should be considered made a featured article should be [[USer:Sam Kay| Sam Kay's]] Spider Rider prestige class as its had a great deal of work put into it and is of IMO a WOTC standard. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 05:59, 6 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:If you believe that class to be FA material please nominate it! go to [[Featured Articles]] and follow the instructions for nomination. --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 06:15, 6 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:: Done [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 06:30, 6 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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==Barkeep==<br />
You might want to check out the changes to barkeep and make sure that they are not vandalism. The same user vandalized one of my articles, but did so by making little changes that may not be readily apparent. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 09:54, 11 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Brawler class ==<br />
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the class is originally mine but i've had some computer problems. i appreciate the help be how do i make it my own again</div>Spamage Damagehttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Brawler_(3.5e_Class)&diff=238218Talk:Brawler (3.5e Class)2008-03-11T16:49:13Z<p>Spamage Damage: /* Confusing.... */</p>
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== Fix 'Create New Base Class' template ==<br />
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I notice this again says, "NPC Class Description", just like the first class I created. This time I made sure to use the 'Create New Base Class' template. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:14, 9 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Got it. Thanks for the heads up. &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:18, 9 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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Let's see.<br />
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# The dplc block says "(DnD Base Class)". It should say "(DnD Class)", right?<br />
# It also has a blank field where I think you want it to say "NR".<br />
# The Balance block should have more fields, right? Something like:<br />
::<nowiki>{{Balance|Not-rated|<!-- Insert name of your class here -->|DnD_Class}}</nowiki><br />
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I'm just going by the changes Green Dragon made to my first class.<br />
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--[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:48, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:So many details they all get lost so easily.<br />
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:# Yes, you're correct. It's fixed now.<br />
:# It can stay blank. I've changed the template so that puts "NR" by default.<br />
:# No, the template now only takes one parameter.<br />
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:I should probably make [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] aware of the changes. &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:48, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:: I imagine you just did. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:19, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::The dplc looks good. It works like it is right now. Also, sorry for taking so long to respond, I have been sick and have not looked at every edit yet (working.... working...). I really am sorry however I am slowly getting done (If you want to see if I have looked at your edits check Recent Changed "patrolled" - I do them all user by user). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:28, 11 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Fixed, what was I thinking last night. The name was wrong, that was the problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:40, 12 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::why dose it have a 1d5 unarmed strike?, you see I don't believe they have those...lol {{Unsigned|Zombiecow|12:41, 13 December 2007 (MST)}}<br />
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::::::Thats because this discussion is for an old old class that had this same name... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 15 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Multiclassing with Fighter ==<br />
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With this class, multiclassing XP penalty will be the only reason characters ever take any more than two levels of fighter. If a fighter 2 takes 18 levels of brawler instead of 18 more levels of fighter, the character will get [[Improved Unarmed Strike (SRD Feat)|Improved Unarmed Strike]], one more fighter bonus feat, and a larger Hit Die size. The only thing that will suffer is reflex and will saves, and then only marginally. &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:47, 9 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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: I see your point. Is it better now? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:05, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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: FYI, one reason for the imbalance was because I consider the Fighter to be [[#Class Balance|disadvantaged]], and another because I created the Brawler merely as a stepping stone on the way to Pugilist (not yet uploaded). --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:03, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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: I also conceived of the Brawler as a Fighter variant, so multiclassing between them never crossed my mind. Is there a precedent for how to handle multiclassing between variants of the same class? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:08, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:: Ah, I see. Then the title should be changed to "Fighter Variant: Brawler (DnD Class)."<br />
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::: How do I do that? The same will apply to the [[Thug_%28DnD_Class%29|Thug]], which I just entered. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:30, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::: Click on the "move" tab at the top. &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 19:00, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:: For handling multiclassing with variants, page 48 of the UA has this to say:<br />
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::;''Multiclassing And Variant Classes''<br />
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::''Multiclassing between variants of the same class is a tricky subject. In cases where a single class offers a variety of paths (such as the totem barbarian or the monk fighting styles), the easiest solution is simply to bar multiclassing between different versions of the same class (just as a character can't multiclass between different versions of specialist wizards). For variants that are wholly separate from the character class—such as the bardic sage or the urban ranger—multiclassing, even into multiple variants of the same class, is probably okay. Identical class features should stack if gained from multiple versions of the same class (except for spellcasting, which is always separate).''<br />
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::''In any case, only the first version of a favored class is treated as favored; a halfling rogue/wizard who later begins gaining levels in the wilderness rogue variant class can't treat both the rogue and wilderness rogue classes as favored, only the class gained first (in this case, rogue). Under no circumstances does spellcasting ability from multiple classes (even variants of the same class) stack. A character with levels of bard and levels of bardic sage has two separate caster levels and two separate sets of spells per day, even though the classes are very similar.''<br />
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::Question: How would this class interact multiclassed with the monk? &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:48, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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::: Hmmm. Hadn't considered that one, either. I think my inclination would be not to have the abilities stack, just use whichever class is better. What do you think? After all, the brawler is supposed to be an unarmed alternative for someone without the discipline to become a monk. Conceptually, it's halfway between a fighter and a monk.<br />
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::: Hey, I never wrote that anywhere in the description, did I? I'll have to remedy that.<br />
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::: The Pugilist prestige class, which I hope to enter this afternoon, has provisions for improving the unarmed combat abilities of a base class. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:30, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::: Based on the fact that the brawler only gets unarmed benfits using only fists, I'd say keep them seperate. &mdash;[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 19:03, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Class Balance ==<br />
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I suppose [[#Multiclassing with Fighter|this]] is as good an occasion as any to bring this up. I wrote up a spreadsheet comparing the abilities of the various classes (which, unfortunately, I can't show you because the upload facility only allows images). I tried various weighting heuristics, but no matter high I sliced it, the SRD Fighter class always came out looking disadvantaged. In the most favorable analysis, I still had to bump it up to d12 HD and 2 good saving throws to balance it out with the other classes, particularly combat-oriented classes and clerics. (I found it nearly impossible to integrate wizards and sorcerers into the analysis, since their strength does not build incrementally in the same way.)<br />
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Now, I readily confess that I've only had minimal experience with 3.5 edition, and I don't think I've ever played a character above 10th level in any edition. (Nor would I want to.) My analysis focuses almost exclusively on the first 10 levels. (Originally, I only looked at the first 6 levels, but I decided that was too shortsighted.) Yet I remain at a loss to explain this discrepancy.<br />
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# In your (anyone's) experience, is the Fighter as powerful as other classes (ignoring arcane casters for the moment)?<br />
## Is your answer different at low levels and at high levels?<br />
# How many fighter bonus feats would you trade for:<br />
## uncanny dodge?<br />
## evasion?<br />
## trapfinding?<br />
## sneak attack?<br />
## rage?<br />
## wild shape?<br />
## good Reflex saves?<br />
## good Will saves?<br />
## fast movement?<br />
## favored enemy?<br />
## unarmed damage as a monk?<br />
## flurry of blows as a monk?<br />
## detect evil as a paladin?<br />
## turn undead as a paladin?<br />
## turn undead as a cleric?<br />
# How many standard feats is weapon specialization worth?<br />
# What is the airspeed of an unladen swallow?<br />
# Is there any way for me to upload my spreadsheet for comments?<br />
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Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:03, 10 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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:I see the fighter as underpowered. <br />
:# I have seen it as good if not better than other classes; at lower levels. I see it as - at lower levels it is better than other classes (for the first 3?) then it kinda tuckers out and becomes a very bad un-flavorful character choice.<br />
:# Not sure, a lot more than the fighter gets, especially to make all these abilites better and better (like some classes give). <br />
:# 2 or 1?<br />
:# Shit................ 14mph?<br />
:# Ask [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] if their is a way to upload spreadsheets and make them visible to other people. He should know of a way. <br />
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:18, 11 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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::''is the Fighter as powerful as other classes (ignoring arcane casters for the moment)? Is your answer different at low levels and at high levels?'' I'll answer it this way: its dependent on magical weapons and PrC. <br />
::A base class Lv 20 Fgt is dependent on magical weapons to do damage (which may or not be common), and he needs either lots of specialization or lots of items. Either way, a player needs to think about char-op early. With CW PrC or BoED you have a lot more room, but that only lessens the problem (eg Drow Weapons Master). I have never seen an epic Fgt because everyone goes for BoED stuff anyway. It helps if the party mage will craft weapons for our him, but still unlikely.<br />
::My point is, at high levels its a moot question. Fighters stand out at low levels (unless there is a Pal), and then multi-off. Think of Fgt as a class to access PrC. Oh, to answer your question, it is on par at low levels. --[[User:Pwsnafu|Pwsnafu]] 21:23, 13 March 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Mark for deletion ==<br />
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Please delete this class. Thank you. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 06:53, 22 March 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:Please use [[Candidates for Deletion]]. Thank you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 23 March 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::If you dont mind me asking why is Brawler marked for deletion --[[User:Lo-Chi|Lt.Dan]] 19:18, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] created a brawler class a while ago, and then decided to have it deleted. Then another user decided to make a class by the same name. This talk page is left-over from the first brawler class. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:30, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::ok i got confused --[[User:Lo-Chi|Lt.Dan]] 11:43, 14 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Rating - 8/10 ==<br />
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I think the class will make a great class for D&D players who like the monk class but not the honor code --[[User:Lo-Chi|Lt.Dan]] 19:15, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:I am sorry to let you know, however one is not allowed to rates one owns class. Sorry about that, however this rating will not be counted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:40, 15 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Brawler is not my class someone i kow made it not me --[[User:Lo-Chi|Lt.Dan]] 11:02, 17 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Well, in that case, the rating will be used. Sorry about that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:04, 17 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::This rating has been nullified with the implementation of the new [[Rating System]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:49, 20 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Confusing.... ==<br />
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I was going to use this class for one of my character but I don't understand this class. For Licking you Wounds +1 it says "Heal yourself 1D5\ per 1/2 your ranks in Heal." what does "1D5\ per 1/2" mean? And what about hide the pain? "A Brawler won't take a knee at low HP as most character would." Knee? What does that mean? And what does the +1 or +2 mean after those 2 abilities? Is that a bonus you get for using the ability at that level? Please explain. And reword the abilities. It would be a great class. --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 17:17, 24 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:BTW im going to help fix this class up --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 17:23, 24 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Please feel free to help it along. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:43, 24 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Im sorry guys this was my first class, i appreciate the help be please don't change to much i thought it was a good idea, i was slowly working on it<br />
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== Stances ==<br />
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can someone tell me if the stances are balanced, please? I put them thinking that making a stance would give you some kind of advangtage. Put your suggestions up as well. --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 18:53, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:How many times a day can the brawler be in a stance? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:35, 25 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::it can be anytime per day but you can only use it during encounters and 2 rounds per point of constitution they have --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 12:51, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::So, does it decrease the constitution after it is used? The reason I am asking is because, how it is currently written, one could constantly stay in a stance. After it comes to an end they could start another once again. I feel the wording on this ability could be improved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:16, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::That's a good idea. --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 23:41, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::You now take constitution damage. --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 23:45, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::::Hm, the wording is a little controversial right now... "...and can't use it until all of your constitution is healed. These are the.." That means, after every time one uses a stance, they cannot use another until their constitution is full? I think maybe it should state something like "If the player has 5 or less constitution they cannot enter a stance". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:20, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Thank you for that --[[User:Xdeletedx|Xdeletedx]] 02:29, 28 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Personally, I think it would be better to make it a per encounter thing- you can go into a stance once per encounter for one round per two constitution points, and cannot use the same or another stance until the encounter ends. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 14:18, 1 March 2008 (MST)</div>Spamage Damage