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So someone could take a 1-level dip in this to gain +10 to balance, tumble, and jump? :-\ -- {{unsigned|76.169.236.139}}

:I guess, theoretically, you could. I was considering changing it so that he only gains the bonuses when he is unarmored an unencumbered, but the whole class seems to hinge on that as it is. Do you think it should be changed, or is it OK as it is? - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 11:09, 24 June 2009 (MDT)

::Why give it in the first place? Why not simply have those as class skills, and expect people to invest ranks in them rather than simply giving huge bonuses for free? Also, where does the damage for this class come from? Couldn't you just go Swordsage and get basically the same thing? Daredevil could be gotten earlier with the Up the Walls psionic feat if people wanted that ability, Superior Finesse is similar to the Shadow Blade feat (add dex to damage on top of str with shadow hand weapons) and Swordsages can move so incredibly fast that it seems as though they teleport (the Shadow Jaunt series). Furthermore , Swordsages have synergy with Iaijutsu Focus in the form of Ghost Blade, Death From Above, and Sapphire Nightmare Blade strikes, which make an enemy flatfooted. I just don't see Tenkens having a niche that Swordsages can't already fulfill... :-\ [[User:76.169.236.139|76.169.236.139]] 04:29, 26 June 2009 (MDT)

:::To be fair, the niche seems ideally like a combination of all those things rolled into one package. The reason for the bonuses is because normally a character can only have a maximum amount of ranks in a particular skill equal to their character level +3 (see [[SRD:Skills Summary]]). The Acrobatics feature overrides that and allows you you have unparalleled agility. [[SRD:Up the Walls|Up The Walls]] is a [[SRD:Psionic Feats|psionic feat]], which means you have to take at least one level is a psionics-based class in order to use it; Daredevil is an alternative to that, and because it's not a psionic ability it cannot be disabled in a power-suppressing area like Up The Walls could be. The Swordsage comparison is valid, but the tenken does not incorporate the variant rules system (stances, maneuvers, Iaijutsu Focus, etc.) presented in the Book of Nine Swords (a system that I personally dislike because I feel that choosing maneuvers that are supernatural abilities is reducing the martial classes down to almost spellcasters). I think that the idea of someone moving so quickly that it's like teleportation is terribly overused in homebrew D&D, and that the monk's presentation of fast movement is more balanced but somehow less trite. As for the attacks that make an enemy flat-footed, denying the Dex bonus to AC is good and all, but only particularly useful if you have some sneak attack damage to back it up (at least in my opinion). In addition, the swordsage has seven dead levels. I'm not totally being fair to it because it gains additional maneuvers, etc., but the fact remains that the tenken essentially has no dead levels (although I will admit that the levels with just a bonus feat might be cutting it close). To most of the homebrewers that I know of, dead levels are considered a bad thing, so perhaps they will see it (the tenken, I mean) as an alternative to playing a swordsage. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 06:27, 26 June 2009 (MDT)

:::Edit: As for where damage comes from, shukuchi allows the tenken to lay down five attacks per turn at higher levels, most of which (with maximum BAB) have a decent chance to hit. When combined with the ''[[haste]]'' effect, which gives them another attack at full BAB, the tenken can bring the pain, especially when his critical modifier is extended by Life on the Edge. Additionally, thanks to Superior Finesse, [[Dexterity]] is the only stat the tenken needs to increase to maximize has attack capabilities. Not to mention Astra at level 19, which combines all the previous abilities for a whopping 12 attacks at once. If you have a ''vorpal'' sword, chances are your opponent is doomed. Hope that helps. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:12, 26 June 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because the multiple attacks with low minuses at the start and the haste ability make it awesome {{unsigned|72.224.255.16}}

Personally I really only see one flaw in this class, and that is that you were trying to promote sword usage, but there are not many abilities that hinge upon this, to me it seems I could play a Tenken with an axe and it would bbe close to the same. {{unsigned|JohnnyCakes}}

:To be fair, the original idea was for a swordsman (the class is something of a tribute to ''Rurouni Kenshin'', after all), but it's intentionally ambiguous in order to allow variation. True, the examples all use swords, but the class features (correct me if there is a discrepancy) usually say "a single melee slashing weapon" in most relevant cases. So yeah, an axe tenken is fine; I was just trying to be consistent with my examples. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 18:25, 26 July 2009 (MDT)

==Shinsoke==

Awesome! At level 20 a Tenken is always hasted with a base speed (30+70)+30= 130ft. Can make an additional attack with haste and Shukuchi as a full round action for a +20/+20/+20/+20/+15/+10/+5. Add in his critical threat range, 50% miss chance, and dexterious Armor Class and you have one beasty dude. (I just pee'd my pants alittle.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:50, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:I'm glad that you like it. A rating would be appreciated. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 18:56, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because it might be a little overpowered. I very much enjoy all the abilities this class gives. (Especially before level 10.) Its always nice to be a bad ass in no armor. However I think this means your going to have alot of money to spend on other things while your team members fork over the cash for magic armors. Plus, its been done before. You also gain miss chances on top of your Armor Class bonuses when you move. I want to compare this class with a monk, but I'm afraid the monk would just get hammered against this class. I want to say your role in combat is Striker but your ability to avoid damage is pretty high. Maybe a d6 hit die or a rough penalty for not following a moral code is needed. Anyway, its your class and I think its freakin' awesome. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:32, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

: The monk is a bad class and nearly any other class would "hammer" it (even the Adept, an NPC class, is noted as better than the monk in study). The striker point; a striker is not meant to take damage, he is meant to avoid damage, as you noted. So the class would fit the striker niche very well. Magic armour, especially compared to Magic Weapons, are relatively cheap at each level of the game. AC isn't a very good way of measuring power though because AC doesn't scale well to BAB. If the class gives a miss chance, then it is doing something right. I'll comment more when I've read the class. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 20:28, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

::Uh, so I should have given it a 5/5? Dude, get your own rating. (This one is mine! Muhahahahaha!) jk.

::: Oh, no; I quite agree that it around a 4/5. It's a decent class, but it's not perfect. I've read over it and, it is a good rating. (All your ratings belong to us) --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:17, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

'''Wording - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because its wordy as hell. Lots of foreign words for me, a stupid American with a 4th grade reading level. There is lots of stuff to read and even more to keep track of on a table. I had to read the abilities more than once to understand their meaning and apply them in my head. If your a pro at Dnd this stuff makes sense instantly. If your new then this class can read very slowly and intimidating. (Spelling was good though.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:32, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:I'll admit that I'm kind of an English freak, so any complex words are probably a result of my own need to make it look good for myself. The foriegn words are mostly for flavor; they seem to have a better ring than "Fast", "Faster", "Very fast", "Super fast," etc. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 21:22, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because he uses the preload, links his stuff, keeps up his talk page, and has a bad ass picture. I might be oversimplifying this, but whatever. Nothing strikes me as superior about the formatting. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:32, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:I don't think the author's talk page has anything to do with the Formatting rating on a class. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 21:22, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

'''Flavor - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because its been done before. He wears no armor but still has a bad ass AC. Uses flurry-like attacks to increase damage. I thought the monk was the exception not the rule. Running on walls is awesome. Nothing negative there. The weird foriegn names are strange. They just confuse me but do give it a trendy asian feel. The picture is cool but the dude is wearing metal pads. His combat prowess is what makes him fun. Not his flavor, playstyle, fashion sense, or drowisms. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:32, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:Rethought it alittle after reading the rating section again. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:46, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

:The picture might not be totally representative of the class, but I never really considered metal pads to be defined necessarily as armor. He could still be considered unarmored with light clothing and some padding (padded armor, is, as far as I can tell, almost a full body suit). - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 21:22, 9 August 2009 (MDT)

== Crit range threat ==

Sorry about that, thought the IP was some random user trying to vandalize the class. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 10:34, 19 August 2009 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 4.5/5''' I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because its definitely overpowered and could use a tad bit of nurfing --[[Special:Contributions/209.33.219.129|209.33.219.129]] 17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

'''Wording - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it was very well explained and worded. i found no problem understanding the characteristics of this class --[[Special:Contributions/209.33.219.129|209.33.219.129]] 17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it follows the D&D criteria to the t. it has a great description, list of well described skills and abilities, a sample Tenken and everything else one could ask for in a homebrew class --[[Special:Contributions/209.33.219.129|209.33.219.129]] 17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

'''Flavor - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because the idea behind the tenken is pretty original, like mixing an Iaijutsu master, a Monk and a Weapons master. i have found this class very open ended and fun in a few campaigns --[[Special:Contributions/209.33.219.129|209.33.219.129]] 17:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== cool ==

ALL 5'S!!! awesome.
Question though, could u change it so that the speed bonus stacks with monks speed bonus for multiclassing?

== Rating ==

'''Power - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --[[Special:Contributions/201.227.134.140|201.227.134.140]] 09:27, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

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== Rating ==

'''Power - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because of the high BAB though no real combat focus. {{unsigned|86.3.119.182}}

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'''Power - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it is freaking epic! {{unsigned|139.142.162.60}}

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== Rating ==

'''Power - <<<5>>>/5''' I give this class a <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>> out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:18, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

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== Rating ==

Power - 4/5 I give this class a 4 out of 5 because if anything, this class is massively overpowered. I'd suggest removing the extra feats, as it already gets numerous ones throughout its progression keeping the attack penalty on shukuchi, balancing the extra attacks with a reasonable BAB penalty and removing unbounded, meaning the class still has something in the way of a weakness, keeping it commensurate with other classes. Compare it with the "Duelist" prestiege class for a class that operates in a similar manner to get an idea of strength comparisons.

Wording - 5/5 I give this class a 5 out of 5 because the wording provides a distinct exotic, asian influenced flair, while explaining what it is the character does and is supposed to be.
Formatting 5/5 I give this class a 5 out of 5 because the formatting is well done, looking as though it'd be right at home within any of the D&D official books.

Flavor - 4.5/5 I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because while not a new idea, this class tries to do an old concept in new ways, by making a fast, agile fighter that depends on speed instead of power, but also focuses on some of the non-combat ideas of this (running on walls, faster movement, etc.) The asian influence on it, while I'm personally not wild about, still fits well. The only suggestion for improvement in this section would be some sort of martial/moral code added, even if it's simply exercises these characters have to undertake in order to keep up their incredible speed. This would further flesh out the character as well as adding something in the way of limitations for a overpowered character class.

== Rating ==

'''Power - 0.5/5''' I give this class a 0.5 out of 5 because the only things balanced about this class are the saving throws. I've played in a campaign with this class before; there was no point in anyone else playing because the character was nigh untouchable and dealt a ridiculous amount of damage. The character was capable of soloing creatures that the rest of the party were unable to so much as scratch. It was '''''NOT''''' fun to be a part of. I believe that this class should only be used by players who want to "win" at the cost of everything and everyone else, and should only be allowed by DM's in campaigns where game balance is '''''not''''' a priority or even on the radar. I do not believe the class can be "fixed" without gutting it, which is unlikely to stand since many people seem so excited about it and would, from what I have read, likely kill any changes that would balance the class.
--[[User:Druindo|Druindo]] ([[User talk:Druindo|talk]]) 16:35, 24 March 2013 (MDT)

'''Wording - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because it was easy enough to read and understand. --[[User:Druindo|Druindo]] ([[User talk:Druindo|talk]]) 16:35, 24 March 2013 (MDT)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because I could follow the layout about as easily as from a book. --[[User:Druindo|Druindo]] ([[User talk:Druindo|talk]]) 16:35, 24 March 2013 (MDT)

'''Flavor - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because the flavor for this class was well done and I can understand the concept of the class quite well. --[[User:Druindo|Druindo]] ([[User talk:Druindo|talk]]) 16:35, 24 March 2013 (MDT)
 
I think this class is an awesome concept, but is too unbalanced for use in 99% of campaigns without significant work.

:I agree whole heartedly with your comment about power. If no one views it as a good thing to tackle the OP that this class is I might give it a go after I take a good once over on the overlord class.. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 20:50, 26 March 2013 (MDT)

::I do not agree much on assessment of this class as a more or less absolute power (albeit it needs some minor tweaking). I believe it is fundamentally flawed in that any spellcaster progressing at a decent rate can outright disable or destroy a member of this class provided they go for less of a "kill him through hit points" style and more of a "kill him with debuffs" style; even a 1st level Wizard can cast a Sleep spell (if the Tenken fails, he dies courtesy of a coup de grace later), cast a Color Spray spell (just all around bad news for anything below 5 HD, especially things below 3 HD, which is most any regular PC at 1st level), or Charm Person (the Tenken now likes the Wizard who he previously wished to kill). As things go on, a 5th level Wizard can cast Stinking Cloud, Deep Slumber (even more powerful Sleep spell, because why not?), Ray of Exhaustion, or Slow, among all the other spells he could cast from lower levels. This is not even trying to be creative, but a Tenken, even at higher levels, can be outright nullified by a clever spellcaster or a few spell savvy NPCs.

::While this isn't my personal project, having heavily researched the radical differences in power (Fighter or Monk's overall patheticness when compared to a Wizard, Cleric, or Druid), a Tenken is a high Tier 3 class. It excels very well at what it does, but retains distinct weaknesses (it lacks actual spell casting notably anti-caster spells like Anti-Magic Field, Dispel and Fly, or progression of previous spellcaster levels), and has easily countered features. Some however need reworking (Unbounded notably is permanent, instead of a daily, which would be perfectly reasonable). Continued, the Tenken does not have anything to survive "Save or Suck" or "Save or Die" (bad Will saves for starters, and no extremely powerful effects until 14th or so level, but his decent Wisdom score (which he should have) will mitigate that a bit), namely anything that would kill his Strength score (as he's a Dexterity class) outright can kill him with little effort.

::Overall, the class needs minor tuning and players need keep in mind a Tenken as a Tier 3 will radically outshine most non-casters because of that. I do not believe it is fundamentally broken or overpowered beyond functionality. Any DM approving a Tenken then should keep in mind its strengths and weaknesses, and counter them as appropriate.
:::--[[User:Argent Fatalis|Argent Fatalis]] ([[User talk:Argent Fatalis|talk]]) 01:35, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

::::I am well aware of the melee vs magic argument but there is a major difference - magic has limited uses per day. This on the other hand will have +20x4 / +15 / +10 / +5 with any weapon they use due to the haste. His AC will be nigh untouchable, his movement ensures he closes with any spell caster in a single melee (add in +20 and taking ten on tumble and he will never receive an attack of opportunity - ever.) This isn't even getting into the evasion ability, the ability to negate damage through reflex, concealment (which works against any touch attack spell) a free range increase on the damage that stacks with improved critical (which keen does not so the justification for that will be fun to read.) And at 20 he can negate 3 spells easily with the master ability, providing him more than ample time to ensure all the casters die. How the hell does this come off as even remotely balanced against the core mechanics of the SRD or any of the books? Its a grab bag of special abilities to try to create a blender that cannot die. That still doesn't even address a few of my major concerns on the needs balance template. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 13:48, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

::::Oh I also forgot he gets about 8 bonus feats total (so if you count them up he gets 3 less than a straight SRD fighter) [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 16:01, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

::::Because people need hard data to make informed decisions I did the following. I made 2 level 20 characters one a straight fighter and the other is this broken thing. This is the baseline for the stats I used: 16, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8 and the end result before I added anything into the mix was the following. The fighter winds up with an average of 140hp, (14 con the 16 went to str and I assumed +4 of the +5 went to that with an additional +1 to dex) an AC of 12 and an attack line of +25/+20/+15/+10. The tenken came out as 120hp (average out and some con as the fighter) 22AC which cover FF and touch (dex20 +5 wis14 +2 class+4 perma haste +1) and his attack line was +26/+26/+26/+26/+21/+16/+11. also as this character doesn't need to buy armor or a shield (since it actually drops his abilities significantly and make them less effective) he will essentially have 200k above what the fighter will have. With optimized equipment I got the fighter to 32 AC and the tenken to 40 all around, and spent 61k LESS on the tenken. And that 61k less was after I also dropped a cloak of resist +5 just to buff his saving throws more to ensure he won't die against an instant kill mage spell, bringing his weakest save to 15. Now it might just be me but when a sword and board fighter (aka someone who cannot use two weapons or a two handed weapon) can't catch up to this monstrous thing that you can use two weapons or a weapon two handed on AC wise it is not balanced. Monks can be difficult to hit but they won't deal the damage this thing does they don't get 8 free feats, they don't get the ability to stop sneak attacks, they don't get freedom of movement and they sure as hell don't get massive bonuses to skills and the ability to run on walls. The only reason to even possibly try to say this is balanced is because you want to use it to run all over your DM. The hexblade that is essentially magic immune is less broken than this thing, since in a single turn you can move 130ft anywhere you want to make sure the caster can't cast, you can take a weapon with reach to ensure you threaten him, and you can make 2 full attacks the next round with a DC20 fort save. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 16:36, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

::::Example 2 (better comparison) tenken vs balor: While you might expect a 1v1 match to instantly go to the CR20 creature that really isn't the case here as long as you assume the following for the level 20 Tenken. Cloak of resistance +5, Gloves of Dex +6, Bracers of Armor +8, ring of force shield (+2 AC), periapt of wisdom +6, vest of constitution +6, ring of prot +5, girdle of divine favor (+3 hit and damage), robe of heavy fortification (no ac on robe but 100% crit reduction), jovar +5 holy axiomatic thundering (2d6 18-20 x2 crit weapon). Important note this all falls under the 760k (approximately 500k give or take 25k) expected to be earned by the time you hit level 20 as part of a 4 man team, which you don't need with this class. Ok using the previous stat line I can get my AC to 44 (balor has a +31 to hit with a full round attack needing a 13 or better to hit with his BEST attack) though vorpal might even the fight out IF he can manage a 20 before you decimate him. The lowest save of the tenken is 16 and the best is 25 giving him exceptional saves throughout. now I know people will reference implosion but I can substitute reflex for that at 20 and rolling a 1 isn't hard. So freedom of movement up to the big nasty and proceed for first round. Assuming no natural 20s I will live through the first round and roll +36/+36/+36/+36/+31/+26/+21 and I will do that twice with the special ability. The weapon will inflict 6d6 (8d6 on 12-20 as currently written +d8) plus 20 (40 on crit) and with an AC of 35 I will most likely hit with everything except the last one so 12 hits in one round with an average damage of 39. taking in damage reduction of 15 for each strike drops me to 24, so a total of 288hp vs 290 the balors average. This does NOT include any criticals on my part. When a class can solo a Balor in one turn reliably it is broken. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 17:46, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

:::::An aside on example 2 I messed up on the tenken abilities he actually would have an additional +1 to hit, +1AC and +1 to reflex from perma haste, making it easier to kill a CR20 creature for a single level 20. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 18:21, 27 March 2013 (MDT)

::::::His onslaught of attacks are not equipped most notably with a Pounce for a full-attack at the end of his inevitable charge; meaning he's not going to get that flurry off by the time he reaches the caster or most dangerous target. He will certainly hurt at the end of that incredibly long distance charge, but not nearly as much as a Barbarian Ubercharger hybrid multiclass (again, a Tenken still hits like a freight train undeniably, but not quite that level). Spellcasters get Fly at 5th level, meaning a Tenken is still pretty far off from any potential he has; again, I do not deny he is an absolutely brutal threat up close, but without an ally casting Fly on him (or dedicated to buffing him), he's a sitting duck, and even if he does manage to Fly a Antimagic Field, . No spellcaster with a dedicated goal of killing the party is going to take on anything worse than a Fighter or Monk without some preparation; at level 20 he can negate 3 spells which have saves, meaning if the spells lack saves (Wish, Miracle, Blasphemy, etc) they can still absolutely destroy him, provided the DM allows effects such as instantaneous kills. Some classes never were balanced to begin with, the most notable offenders being the Artificer ("I can make ''anything''!" and "I can EXP and gold cheese."), the Wizard (''offenses too numerable to list''), the Cleric ("God says 'no'."), and the Druid ("reshaping the entire world because I felt like it."). By comparison, a Tenken does not stack up versus any of these, and any one of them can kill him well before he even knew he was under attack (Love's Pain nuke as a cheaty example).

::::::A SRD Fighter is possibly one of ''the'' worst classes to balance from. If anything the Tome of Battle melee classes (Crusader, Swordsage, Warblade are all very well done, with the Warblade being more of "what a Fighter should have been", barring Iron Heart Surge's absurdity if RAW) are the best semblance of balance for their lot, but that's still not enough against a dedicated and competent spellcaster.

::::::Again, even the best Sword and Board Fighter can't stand toe to toe with other tanking classes for anything (the notables being the Knight and the Crusader, the latter more so in some facets), let alone much of anything, even if pushed to the limit. The fact that the Celerity, Time Stop and Contingency spells exist at all make any idea that a non-caster is going first a bit hard to believe, and again, assuming someone goes full board with a Tenken (which the undoubtedly would), the Wizard, Cleric, Druid, what-have-you, is going to be one or more steps ahead if played well.

::::::A Balor one on one at 20 has great potential to do harm, especially as this is a 1v1 scenario; I don't foresee a Tenken making a 90ft vertical leap, well, really ever without someone really going out of their way to do that (a regular 8ft vertical leap is DC 32 with a running start, 64 without, so even with his 100+ movement speed, his DC is extremely high, and that's assuming the Balor is ''only'' flying at 90ft above the ground). Continued, a Balor won't be alone, as he'll use his Summon Demon to bring some friends (even another Balor) into the fight (sure, they likely won't do much, but they're a distraction), and he has a permanent True Seeing spell, making the effect of his Displacement (or Blur) passives non-existent. All while finding himself able to sit back and cast his Spell-Like Abilities without too much worry.

::::::I am not trying to argue a Tenken is "perfectly balanced" or "what is normal for a PC", what I am simply saying is that the perspective is skewed. Yes, a Tenken can put out absurd physical melee DPS, yes he can run on walls at incredible speed, yes he can dodge most any melee attack, and yes he saves tons of gold. I do not at all advise anyone use this class in a game as is, unless the DM is greatly experienced (to the point he knows most hard counters without much research), your group is just messing around and using homebrew for the hell of it, or if all other party members (and the campaign) are extremely high powered. The class absolutely needs fine tuning, but completely redesigning it? No, not at all. The permanent Freedom of Movement is the largest offender I note, alongside his average AC being a bit too high (bonus AC through levels being removed should make a palatable dent) and removal of Bonus Feats (or placing an extensive restriction on them).
:::::::--[[User:Argent Fatalis|Argent Fatalis]] ([[User talk:Argent Fatalis|talk]]) 07:42, 28 March 2013 (MDT)

::::::::If the goal is to turn this into a RoW addition by all means slap a symbol on it to let people know it isn't balanced with regular DnD and we can move on. The problem is that even with all those abilities this class still has more than an even chance against anything unless he is specifically targeted from the word go. Also some of the things you bring up are non factors. 1 If the guy is flying unless you are in a totally barren area with absolutely nothing you can charge grapple your opponent easily (130ft starting movement + any sort of height +20 + ranks = you are flying through the air with the greatest of ease, and he counts it all as normal movement) Same with the Balor. Wish doesn't negate saving throws, wish duplicates another spell so you would use its information including saving throw. You still won't produce any base class melee ANYWHERE in the entire 3.5 setting that isn't homebrewed that will come anywhere in the vicinity of this character for damage, AC, hitability, hit bonus. No corporeal thing can touch him, no touch attack will ever land and you are hard to hit for something that is suppose to be a challenge for a party of 4. The only way your scenerio works to say that he isn't overpowered is if someone gets the drop on him. News flash a surprise round can decimate anyone, unless you specifically have abilities up all the time or with huge durations. Besides with the 260k left if I was part of a party of 4 (and as this character I would just solo everything why split money when I won't have to.) As for time stop the target is not able to be hurt by you for the same amount of time it gives you. Yea you can use it as an "oh shit I need to buff" spell which if he knows what he is fighting will more likely be a teleport time spell. And with time stop congratulations you now only have 2 level 9 spells and one more I need to use my substitution on. Unless you are talking an instant kill spell (death ward is cheap and true seeing will negate the other half and isn't out of my price option) exactly how are you going to kill me with a 26 reflex save before you run out of spells or I figure out a way to get to you? Name any spell that will supposedly end this fight in your favor (just 7, 8 and 9 anything else is pretty much worthless) and I will show you a better than even chance that I can defeat it and wreck your world. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 11:28, 28 March 2013 (MDT)

::::::::Oh one more note even with true seeing and death ward I can still pull a command word SR32 magic item out which will put me within a few k of the 760k cap. That means SR32 High high save, immunity to most death effects and damage that isn't approachable by ANY other DnD non homebrew class. And the command word SR32 will last 20 minutes per cast and only costs 180k. So the only spell not already covered (implosion really since it is instant kill, non target roll, non death) means first you need a 12 on a d20 (8 if you took all the feats which as a cleric makes me scratch my head) then I get a massive save so I will save. In theory you could try it two more times if you haven't died or been disrupted on your full round concentration but lets face it after the first one he can either retreat and wait or he will end you. 65 feet isn't exactly a game changer. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 12:40, 28 March 2013 (MDT)

::::::::::Tivanir, your examples are really inept and do more to show the problem with the fighter and your incomplete knowledge of system mastery than any concern with this class. For the balor fight, the balor can simply summon another balor or marilith in the first round, and assuming they survive that first round, proceed to dazelock the tenken with ''blasphemy'' while the other destroys him. ''Holy'' is not a top tier enchantment option and it seems you've only included it for meta purposes so you can ignore the balor's DR, which otherwise bones the tenken pretty bad because he relies on attack spam. Even with that considered, a balor playing it safe would teleport straight into the air, summon his fiendish brethren, and then slowly descend to engage when he's ready. Using ''winged boots'' or the like allows you to ascend at half of your 60' fly speed. The tenken cannot touch the balor if the demon plays it right. The only way the tenken has a chance is if he gets a surprise round and uses Astra from a charge into a full attack, and even then there's a good chance the damage won't be enough. The balor destroys the tenken, all day every day. The balor is incredibly strong (some might say over-powered, but a wizard could take it). The tenken is middle ground. It's not better than a warblade or crusader, or other classes that are considered to be at a middle level of balance. The monk and the fighter are weak (no one who understands system mastery takes more than two levels of fighter, and no one should really take more than two levels of monk). Using them as your baseline comparison is nonplussing because the monk and fighter aren't balanced with the cleric and wizard. You can't ignore a lack of internal balance when it suits you and call it out when it does not. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 12:17, 30 March 2013 (MDT)

::::::::::::actually my knowledge is pretty thorough so please don't speak to it. As for trying the whole teleport up ok fine he is out of range I guess I will just be forced to run 700+ feet to an area small enough he can't (aren't enclosed rooms fun?) further if you have ever read the fiendish codex the summoning of others is a last resort for devils, particularly because then they owe the other demon. Lets go ahead with other examples of easy counters for the Balor 1 anti magic field cast on a dagger you toss first round. It hoses him a hell of a lot more than you. A wizard "can take it" is also assuming the Balor does terrible on his saving throw and also doesn't use any of his abilities. Simple damage could stop the wizard from being able to do anything (um hello teleport attack and 10 foot reach = wizard is done.) further unless the wizard gets exceptionally lucky with an instant kill there are no high level spells that will bone the Balor. Touch AC is high (not as high as the tenkens but still high enough you probably need 18-20 for energy drain.) the point of my above information was to provide an average. An average class should not be able to deal average damage and slaughter a Balor in the first round. Further unless the Balor specifically knows its a tenken why the hell would it teleport? And right after the first round it wouldn't get the option to assuming I roll a single 12 on all those attacks stated above? Also unlike the war blade with maneuvers and limits you gave this guy a buffet of abilities that work together and stack to the point it is ridiculous. As a side not i haven't seen the ToB nine swords but I will probably pick up the PDF. Again a fighter (generic any Melee toe to toe tanking class) isn't designed for super high output because eventually casters do run out of spells. The trade off for your lower damage is the fact you can quite seriously do it all day long. [[User:Tivanir|Tivanir]] ([[User talk:Tivanir|talk]]) 14:13, 30 March 2013 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Running away like a pansy doesn't win encounters. Plus they could simply teleport after you. So you can turtle in an enclosed space, no one cares, least of all the balor. He could use ''telekinesis'' and try to collapse it around you or snipe you or whatever. ''Antimagic field'' is localized to the object, so the balor simply throws it away, problem solved. He also still has DR and your ability to defeat it without your magic weapons goes out the window, so it could be advantageous for him. You cannot cast spells on him while he holds it. On other topics, one cannot teleport and attack in the same turn. Both require a standard action.
:::::::::::::Wizards usually have ''contingency'' for these types of things anyway. You have things like ''moment of prescience'' and ''time stop'' to ensure you survive long enough for the balor to make one bad roll and then good game. No spells? I must have missed the part where balor's were immune to death effects. Or there's a couple SR: No spells that would do it. I cannot recall them off the top of my head since I don't usually play a wizard of splatbook dive, but they do exist. One quickened and one maximized ''shivering touch'' would do it. Not sure how it interacts with quickening since there's a touch component, so maybe not the best example, but it's one of many. ''Finger of death'', ''dominate monster'', ''imprisonment'', ''baleful polymorph'', ''feeblemind''. Beating an SR 28 isn't that difficult. With Spell Penetration and Greater Spell Penetration you succeed on 4. Otherwise on an 8. That's 65% of the time you win in one round.
:::::::::::::The entire point of maneuvers is to combine them to do things that show synergy. As for other characters not dealing that kind of damage, here are some counterpoints ([[Knightly_Charger_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)|1]], [[Bladesinger_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)|2]], [[http://dandwiki.com/wiki/Eternal_Blade_of_the_Revenant_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)|3]]). As for the counterpoint about all day versus 15 minute work day, it is not valid if you won't survive to spam attacks. The trade off stupid and unbalanced. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 15:43, 30 March 2013 (MDT)

Talk:Tenken (3.5e Class)

2013-03-30T18:17:42Z

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Lizardfolk, Variant (3.5e Race)

2013-02-05T22:32:28Z

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|ability_adjust= +2 to any stat, −2 to any another stat
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|favored_class= [[Fighter]] and [[Cleric]]
|desc=An actually playable [[SRD:Lizardfolk]].
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=Lizardfolk=
[[Image:Original lizardman by unknown - resized.png|thumb|right|300px|A lizardfolk. It seems there was a disagreement.]]
The lizardfolk presented in the Monster Manual is intensely unsatisfying. This is a lizardfolk variant that makes lizardfolk [anything] a viable character to play. It's a fantasy game, if you want to play a lizard you should be able to play a damn lizard.

==Personality==

The lizardfolk are as varied in their personality as humans. Why do you want to stereotype them? Are you racist or something?

==Physical Description==

Lizardfolk exhibit a wide range of height, weight, and physical power, depending on the circumstances of their birth and their desired station in life. They tend between four and seven feet tall, and are generally between 150 and 250 pounds. Their most common scale colors are green, brown, and blue.

==Relations==

The lizardfolk and the [[SRD:Sahuagin|sahuagin]], when they meet, tend to not get along. The [[SRD:Sahuagin|sahuagin]] rule the seas, and the lizardfolk prefer to stick to marshy swamps near the coastlines. However, lizardfolk are capable of living underwater and some do; when they do they come into constant strife with the territorial [[SRD:Sahuagin|sahuagin]] empires.

Their relations with other races depend on the specific tribes and your campaign, as lizardfolk don't tend to any alignment.

==Alignment==

lizardfolk are usually of neutral good alignment.

==Lands==

Lizardfolk stick to marshy swampland, usually found near coastlines. However, they often migrate more inland as long as there are marshes and swamps for them to inhabit, and also outwards towards the ocean as they are capable of surviving underwater. They hunt best on land, however. More intellectual lizardfolk can be found in various cities throughout the world.

==Religion==

Lizardfolk religion are as varied as the lizardfolk tribes. This one depends on your campaign and what gods and tribes you have.

==Language==

Lizardfolk speak Draconic. They also tend to speak the common trade language of the world, Common.

==Names==

Lizardfolk names always have a lot of Ls, Ns, Rs, As, and Ys. Their first name tends to be one distinct word, but their last names tend to be multiple words, separated with apostrophes. Examples include "Lar Narya" and "Lyna Lyr'Yan'Nya".

==Racial Traits==

* Stat Adjustments: Lizardfolk are an incredibly varied group of individuals, and have more than one possible stat adjustment. +2 to one stat, and −2 to another. Most Lizardfolk have +2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence.
* [[SRD:Humanoid Type|Humanoid]] ([[SRD:Reptilian Subtype|Reptilian]], [[SRD:Aquatic Subtype|Aquatic]]): Lizardfolk are capable of breathing water and are fierce swimmers.
* [[SRD:Medium|Medium]]-sized.
* Lizardfolk [[base land speed]] is 30 feet.
* Lizardfolk [[SRD:Movement, Position, and Distance#Swim|swim speed]] is 40 feet.
* Lizardfolk [[SRD:Movement, Position, and Distance#Climb|climb speed]] is 10 feet.
* [[SRD:Natural Weapons|Natural Weapons]]: Lizardfolk have two claws and one bite. The claws deal 1d6 damage each, and the bite 1d8. The claws are its primary [[SRD:Natural Weapons|natural weapons]].
* Amphibious ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]): Despite being aquatic, lizardfolk are able to survive indefinitely on land.
*Lizardfolk also has low light vision. this is due excessive survival in the dark waters of the swamp and the depths of the sea.
* Monstrous ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]): Lizardfolk are one part monstrous in addition to being humanoid, and can qualify for [[DnD Monstrous Feats|Monstrous]] and [[DnD Fiend Feats|Fiend]] feats.
* [[SRD:Scent|Scent]] ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]).
* [[Automatic Languages]]: Common, Draconic. [[Bonus Languages]]: Any.
* [[Favored Class]]: [[SRD:Fighter|Fighter]].

==Vital Statistics==

{| class="d20" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
|+ Table: Lizardfolk Random Starting Ages
|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
! Adulthood || Simple || Moderate || Complex
|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
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{| class="d20" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
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|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
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|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
| colspan="5" class="foot" |
# At middle age, −1 to Str, Dex, and Con; +1 to Int, Wis, and Cha.
# At old age, −2 to Str, Dex, and Con; +1 to Int, Wis, and Cha.
# At venerable age, −3 to Str, Dex, and Con; +1 to Int, Wis, and Cha.
|}

Note: Some Lizardfolk survive much longer than their maximum age. This is usually due to some sort of magic or class feature.

{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="d20"
|-
|+ Table: Lizardfolk Random Height and Weight
|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
! style="text-align: left;" | Gender || Base Height || Height Modifier || Base Weight || Weight Modifier
|- style="white-space: nowrap;"
| style="text-align: left;" | Male || 4' || +3d10 || 150 lb. || × (2d6) lb.
|- class="even" style="white-space: nowrap;"
| style="text-align: left;" | Female || 4' 2" || +2d10 || 130 lb. || × (2d6) lb.
|}

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big>
|-
| '''This page contains external links.''' D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki
|}

::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

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Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[3.5e Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::{{Warning/Text}} [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:28, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/69592454.jpg/
{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::It will be so cool if that works - I can devote more time to making content instead of trawling Recent Changes for spam. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 09:56, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::Okay, so, this morning I check the Recent Changes and normally there's half a dozen bits of spam to remove. Today - nothing, all clean! Nice one Blue Dragon, high-fives all round. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2012 (MDT)
::::::::Wow, that's great news! Of course, it's an arms race... so I'll keep any more tricks in the bag for now. Please let me know if it starts up again, and I don't notice. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:32, 20 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
:I also Submitted a new Deity [[Karura (3.5e Deity) | Karura]] in the [[3.5e Greater Deities | 3.5e Greater Deities]] Page and it did not show up at all... I was also wondering if you could take a look at it when you have time... --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

== Magic missle stormer ==

Hello i was lookin at the featured article and was wondering if there was a way to convert this to 4th ed while still keeping the same concept. i am new to d&d and have tried to look into it on my own with lilmited luck. the problem im having is that some of the feats dont seem to exist anymore in 4th edition i am using the path guy character creator so that might be my problem as well but any help you could give would be awesome.

k so im dumb my email to send me any kind of feed back is anthony.yokum1@us.army.mil that prob would have been helpful in the last message.

:[[Talk:Magic_Missile_Stormer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)#4e]]! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:46, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

::The idea of the [[Magic Missile Stormer (3.5e Optimized Character Build)|Magic Missile Stormer]] is possible in 4e, but actually considering it an optimization may be a stretch. See above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 10:32, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

== Disturbing news about [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)/Chapter 5: Equipment/4e Upgrades]] ==

I found something disturbing in the above link. Apparently it is a ''Candidate for Deletion''. May I ask why? Also, has someone been going through the stuff that was in there and deleting everything from the Heroic Tier section? I don't want anyone deleting ANYTHING in D&D 4.0 Future unless I state that I want it deleted. You know what else that I find disturbing? There isn't even a "Delete" template shown on there. Is this an attempt to delete stuff behind my back? I want answers. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:10, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:I understand what happened now. I double checked what was to be deleted. Turns out it was a redirect. I apologize for jumping off the handle on that. Still though, I don't want anything to be deleted from D&D 4.0 Future without my consent. D&D 4.0 Future is a big project and a little overwhelming. -[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:13, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

::I hope the best for your edits as well. Unfortunately, the reviewing, removing, and improving templates do not care about authorship (they look at pages). If something has been incorrectly flagged, feel free to correct the situation though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:::I want to interject here to clarify that it's not appropriate to remove deletion tags from your own page, even if you think it wasn't appropriately added (most authors tend to think the tags are improperly added, so if we just went off of what they said nothing on this site would ever be improved). The proper procedure is to post on the talk page explaining why you believe the tag should be removed. When the mod goes through to check deletion candidates he will read and responses and decide from there whether or not the page should be deleted.

:::Secondly, if you are going to get so upset by the mere suggestion that someone will delete something you wrote, this is probably not the rite place for you. It has been said time and time again that once you post something here you relinquish control, and it can be "edited mercilessly" -- up to and including deletion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

::::One problem is that your Future pages have the 4e category, so are listed on all the 4e indexes. When I (or anyone else) review the quality/balance of these pages, we're not necessarily going to notice that it's for your sourcebook (which uses mechanics not compatible with vanilla 4e - attack/defense scales, damage types, and so on). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:31, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

:::::Also, I should have mentioned that what I said above is for the majority of the processes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:06, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Catagories ==

Just got 2 Quick Questions:

I was wondering if there is a section for Weapon Crystals or Armor Crystals? The kind that is listed in [[Magic Item Compendium (3.5e) | Magic Item Compendium]]...

I was also was wondering if there is a section for Intelligent Items?

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2012 (MDT)

== "Internal Error" when trying to edit talk page. ==

Hi GD, do you get an "internal error" message if you try to edit then save [[Talk:Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)]] ? Preview works. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

:I had the same problem. I think something in the text is triggering the spam filter. I could save the page if I blanked the whole thing, so it's got to be something in the text and not the page itself. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:03, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

== Half-forged ==

Hello sorry for modifying your half forged template w/out permission but after reading the message board most ppl were more interested in spellborg so i took the liberty of balancing and tweaking a couple of stats and making it to the best of my ability " d&d standards" ty for making the half forged templat

P.s. im not even sure if im talkin to the right person but hopefully i am .

== Question on format ==

I haven't heard back from JazzMan, so I thought you'd be next in line for me to ask. Where can I find D20 Modern creature, occupation, equipment, race, and vehicle templates?--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 06:24, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

:At their respetive preload locations. Go to pages like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Add_a_New_D20M_Creature&action=edit these] and go to the "preload" page. E.g. [[d20 Modern Creature Preload]]. Edit the preload to get the information that you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

== Help moving a page ==

How do I move a page? I need to move the Fallout Vehicle page to under the Fallout Equipment page.--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 13:05, 18 September 2012 (MDT)

== Putting out as far as I can! ==

Hi green dragon, I had posted this also on Badgers page, but I wanted to put it somewhere else to make sure others would get to it just in case.

"Hi badger, I'm sure this happens a lot but I just pulled your name first from the Admin list, hoping to get someone to talk to. Anyway, my question was aimed towards the lack of content that exists for 3.5 and has not been posted. While I understand that a lot of classes are not core, Psion as well as its including features are listed, and so I thought I might request to put up more classes, such as from the Magic of Incarnum book, or the Complete Warrior, Divine, Ect. I would love to punch in as much time as needed to get this done. My players love this wiki and I have no time to go fishing for spells in countless books. Please let me know. Thanks :) "

Feel free to email me back at aleadbrick@gmail.com
:I'll jump in here. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but for copyright reasons we cannot reprint WoTC material that is not in the System Reference Document.[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35] Your energy would be best spent helping us [[Meta Pages|improve what's already here]].[[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:48, 3 October 2012 (MDT)

== Feedback please! ==

I've been very busy at the Wikia version of this site, only to find that nobody's there. So I decided to pack up and relocate my ideas here so I could get some feedback on them. Could you please take a look at what I've got? Thanks. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 19:11, 13 October 2012 (MDT)

:First off please remove [[Template:Author]] from your pages. Your contributions are linked to your account and to pages' histories (see their history tab). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:56, 15 October 2012 (MDT)

::Are we best of deleting that template? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:35, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

:::Yes, along with the variations that are floating around. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 08:51, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

== Noticed something that could use some editing ==

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Master is the link to your guys page which i realized inst fully published and finalized and i noticed a few errors with it, under the first ability/feat or whatever you get weapon study doesnt exist. You can actually find the weapon master prestige class in Sword & Fist Page 39 and weapon study isnt in there and its also a D10 character to verify that part under the status at the top. Also i noticed this http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Weapon_Mastery_(3.5e_Feat) has not been completed and id like to point out the information for that can be found in Player Handbook 2 Page 81. Thats pretty much all i have found for now. As a disclaimer im just trying to help and make some possible adjustments. I in no way am giving permission to copy any of the information from the books but trying to help the site become as accurate with there information as possible.
:It seems the page was copied straight out of Sword & Fist, and therefore a copyright violation. Thank-you for pointing this out, it has now been removed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 04:40, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

== Looking to help out ==

Hey, I just got back into my account on this site to work on my Campaign Setting and I'd really like to help out with editing and cleaning up the site, I've always loved it as a resource! Also I'd like to eventually apply for admin so I figured I'd start working now. What pages need the most help? --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (MST)

:I would take a look at the [[To-Do List]] as well as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing Article templates]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:30, 14 November 2012 (MST)

::Wow, there are just an astonishing amount of articles that need to be fleshed out. I think I'm going to start on the to-do list but is there some system for deleting pages that go to long as a stub? Because that list is incredibly immense. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:41, 14 November 2012 (MST) Right so I'm diving into 'Make sure all creatures that do not have an image have Template:ImageNeeded present.' tasker for now - just going to go top down on all the more mechanical tasks. I'll keep you posted. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:47, 14 November 2012 (MST)

== Relocation request ==

I've made a trait (Living Balloon, 3.5, link [[Living Balloon (3.5e Trait)|here]], and on hindsight I figure it would make a better template. Could you help me make the transfer, or should I delete the trait page and start afresh on the template?

:Just move the page (top bar). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 22:31, 16 November 2012 (MST)

==Weirdness==
Hey Green Dragon, I am not sure exactly how, but someone left my signature on a very low rating for the [[Zen Archer (3.5e Class)]] page. The Siggy is legit, with a time stamp and everything. I am worried that it may have been one of the anonymous users who tried to change my [[Shaolin Monk (3.5e Prestige Class)]] page. I confess that I am a little shaken up. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 10:59, 21 December 2012 (MST)
:Possible bug? The ratings were left by IP 76.114.18.20 who left 4 tildes to sign. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=prev&oldid=590240] The tildes didn't get translated to a signature until several edits later when Raweno created a new section [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=next&oldid=601322]. Wierd. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:16, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::Very. But at least it's probably innocent weird. Thanks bro'.--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 12:17, 21 December 2012 (MST)

:::If you un-comment out someone's edit and then save with that signature stamp, it will then stamp your signature. Just remove the unstamped signatures from that point and add {{tl|Unsigned}}. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:28, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::::Cool. I think that it looks right, but if you haven't guessed yet, I am massively incompetent, so you might take a look. Thanks a bunch Green Dragon!--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 18:11, 21 December 2012 (MST)

== Wiki theme ==

Hi. I really, really love this wiki theme. I've been messing with different ones on the private site I use for my play-by-post game, but the canned ones out there just aren't quite doing it for me. Did you start from scratch with this theme, or did you build it on top of one of the commonly available ones?

== Request ==

You can change my user name from '''Rouge Luffy''' to '''Rogue Luffy'''? (It was grammer mistake).
[[User talk:Rouge Luffy|Rouge Luffy talk]] 13:13, 14 January 2013 (MST)

:It's spelled "grammar," bro. Furthermore, the mistake in question, like the one highlighted here, was a spelling error. Good day to you, sir. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2013 (MST)

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big>
|-
| '''This page contains external links.''' D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki
|}

::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

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Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[3.5e Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/69592454.jpg/
{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::It will be so cool if that works - I can devote more time to making content instead of trawling Recent Changes for spam. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 09:56, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::Okay, so, this morning I check the Recent Changes and normally there's half a dozen bits of spam to remove. Today - nothing, all clean! Nice one Blue Dragon, high-fives all round. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2012 (MDT)
::::::::Wow, that's great news! Of course, it's an arms race... so I'll keep any more tricks in the bag for now. Please let me know if it starts up again, and I don't notice. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:32, 20 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
:I also Submitted a new Deity [[Karura (3.5e Deity) | Karura]] in the [[3.5e Greater Deities | 3.5e Greater Deities]] Page and it did not show up at all... I was also wondering if you could take a look at it when you have time... --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

== Magic missle stormer ==

Hello i was lookin at the featured article and was wondering if there was a way to convert this to 4th ed while still keeping the same concept. i am new to d&d and have tried to look into it on my own with lilmited luck. the problem im having is that some of the feats dont seem to exist anymore in 4th edition i am using the path guy character creator so that might be my problem as well but any help you could give would be awesome.

k so im dumb my email to send me any kind of feed back is anthony.yokum1@us.army.mil that prob would have been helpful in the last message.

:[[Talk:Magic_Missile_Stormer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)#4e]]! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:46, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

::The idea of the [[Magic Missile Stormer (3.5e Optimized Character Build)|Magic Missile Stormer]] is possible in 4e, but actually considering it an optimization may be a stretch. See above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 10:32, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

== Disturbing news about [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)/Chapter 5: Equipment/4e Upgrades]] ==

I found something disturbing in the above link. Apparently it is a ''Candidate for Deletion''. May I ask why? Also, has someone been going through the stuff that was in there and deleting everything from the Heroic Tier section? I don't want anyone deleting ANYTHING in D&D 4.0 Future unless I state that I want it deleted. You know what else that I find disturbing? There isn't even a "Delete" template shown on there. Is this an attempt to delete stuff behind my back? I want answers. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:10, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:I understand what happened now. I double checked what was to be deleted. Turns out it was a redirect. I apologize for jumping off the handle on that. Still though, I don't want anything to be deleted from D&D 4.0 Future without my consent. D&D 4.0 Future is a big project and a little overwhelming. -[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:13, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

::I hope the best for your edits as well. Unfortunately, the reviewing, removing, and improving templates do not care about authorship (they look at pages). If something has been incorrectly flagged, feel free to correct the situation though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:::I want to interject here to clarify that it's not appropriate to remove deletion tags from your own page, even if you think it wasn't appropriately added (most authors tend to think the tags are improperly added, so if we just went off of what they said nothing on this site would ever be improved). The proper procedure is to post on the talk page explaining why you believe the tag should be removed. When the mod goes through to check deletion candidates he will read and responses and decide from there whether or not the page should be deleted.

:::Secondly, if you are going to get so upset by the mere suggestion that someone will delete something you wrote, this is probably not the rite place for you. It has been said time and time again that once you post something here you relinquish control, and it can be "edited mercilessly" -- up to and including deletion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

::::One problem is that your Future pages have the 4e category, so are listed on all the 4e indexes. When I (or anyone else) review the quality/balance of these pages, we're not necessarily going to notice that it's for your sourcebook (which uses mechanics not compatible with vanilla 4e - attack/defense scales, damage types, and so on). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:31, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

:::::Also, I should have mentioned that what I said above is for the majority of the processes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:06, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Catagories ==

Just got 2 Quick Questions:

I was wondering if there is a section for Weapon Crystals or Armor Crystals? The kind that is listed in [[Magic Item Compendium (3.5e) | Magic Item Compendium]]...

I was also was wondering if there is a section for Intelligent Items?

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2012 (MDT)

== "Internal Error" when trying to edit talk page. ==

Hi GD, do you get an "internal error" message if you try to edit then save [[Talk:Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)]] ? Preview works. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

:I had the same problem. I think something in the text is triggering the spam filter. I could save the page if I blanked the whole thing, so it's got to be something in the text and not the page itself. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:03, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

== Half-forged ==

Hello sorry for modifying your half forged template w/out permission but after reading the message board most ppl were more interested in spellborg so i took the liberty of balancing and tweaking a couple of stats and making it to the best of my ability " d&d standards" ty for making the half forged templat

P.s. im not even sure if im talkin to the right person but hopefully i am .

== Question on format ==

I haven't heard back from JazzMan, so I thought you'd be next in line for me to ask. Where can I find D20 Modern creature, occupation, equipment, race, and vehicle templates?--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 06:24, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

:At their respetive preload locations. Go to pages like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Add_a_New_D20M_Creature&action=edit these] and go to the "preload" page. E.g. [[d20 Modern Creature Preload]]. Edit the preload to get the information that you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

== Help moving a page ==

How do I move a page? I need to move the Fallout Vehicle page to under the Fallout Equipment page.--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 13:05, 18 September 2012 (MDT)

== Putting out as far as I can! ==

Hi green dragon, I had posted this also on Badgers page, but I wanted to put it somewhere else to make sure others would get to it just in case.

"Hi badger, I'm sure this happens a lot but I just pulled your name first from the Admin list, hoping to get someone to talk to. Anyway, my question was aimed towards the lack of content that exists for 3.5 and has not been posted. While I understand that a lot of classes are not core, Psion as well as its including features are listed, and so I thought I might request to put up more classes, such as from the Magic of Incarnum book, or the Complete Warrior, Divine, Ect. I would love to punch in as much time as needed to get this done. My players love this wiki and I have no time to go fishing for spells in countless books. Please let me know. Thanks :) "

Feel free to email me back at aleadbrick@gmail.com
:I'll jump in here. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but for copyright reasons we cannot reprint WoTC material that is not in the System Reference Document.[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35] Your energy would be best spent helping us [[Meta Pages|improve what's already here]].[[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:48, 3 October 2012 (MDT)

== Feedback please! ==

I've been very busy at the Wikia version of this site, only to find that nobody's there. So I decided to pack up and relocate my ideas here so I could get some feedback on them. Could you please take a look at what I've got? Thanks. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 19:11, 13 October 2012 (MDT)

:First off please remove [[Template:Author]] from your pages. Your contributions are linked to your account and to pages' histories (see their history tab). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:56, 15 October 2012 (MDT)

::Are we best of deleting that template? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:35, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

:::Yes, along with the variations that are floating around. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 08:51, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

== Noticed something that could use some editing ==

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Master is the link to your guys page which i realized inst fully published and finalized and i noticed a few errors with it, under the first ability/feat or whatever you get weapon study doesnt exist. You can actually find the weapon master prestige class in Sword & Fist Page 39 and weapon study isnt in there and its also a D10 character to verify that part under the status at the top. Also i noticed this http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Weapon_Mastery_(3.5e_Feat) has not been completed and id like to point out the information for that can be found in Player Handbook 2 Page 81. Thats pretty much all i have found for now. As a disclaimer im just trying to help and make some possible adjustments. I in no way am giving permission to copy any of the information from the books but trying to help the site become as accurate with there information as possible.
:It seems the page was copied straight out of Sword & Fist, and therefore a copyright violation. Thank-you for pointing this out, it has now been removed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 04:40, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

== Looking to help out ==

Hey, I just got back into my account on this site to work on my Campaign Setting and I'd really like to help out with editing and cleaning up the site, I've always loved it as a resource! Also I'd like to eventually apply for admin so I figured I'd start working now. What pages need the most help? --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (MST)

:I would take a look at the [[To-Do List]] as well as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing Article templates]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:30, 14 November 2012 (MST)

::Wow, there are just an astonishing amount of articles that need to be fleshed out. I think I'm going to start on the to-do list but is there some system for deleting pages that go to long as a stub? Because that list is incredibly immense. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:41, 14 November 2012 (MST) Right so I'm diving into 'Make sure all creatures that do not have an image have Template:ImageNeeded present.' tasker for now - just going to go top down on all the more mechanical tasks. I'll keep you posted. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:47, 14 November 2012 (MST)

== Relocation request ==

I've made a trait (Living Balloon, 3.5, link [[Living Balloon (3.5e Trait)|here]], and on hindsight I figure it would make a better template. Could you help me make the transfer, or should I delete the trait page and start afresh on the template?

:Just move the page (top bar). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 22:31, 16 November 2012 (MST)

==Weirdness==
Hey Green Dragon, I am not sure exactly how, but someone left my signature on a very low rating for the [[Zen Archer (3.5e Class)]] page. The Siggy is legit, with a time stamp and everything. I am worried that it may have been one of the anonymous users who tried to change my [[Shaolin Monk (3.5e Prestige Class)]] page. I confess that I am a little shaken up. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 10:59, 21 December 2012 (MST)
:Possible bug? The ratings were left by IP 76.114.18.20 who left 4 tildes to sign. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=prev&oldid=590240] The tildes didn't get translated to a signature until several edits later when Raweno created a new section [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=next&oldid=601322]. Wierd. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:16, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::Very. But at least it's probably innocent weird. Thanks bro'.--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 12:17, 21 December 2012 (MST)

:::If you un-comment out someone's edit and then save with that signature stamp, it will then stamp your signature. Just remove the unstamped signatures from that point and add {{tl|Unsigned}}. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:28, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::::Cool. I think that it looks right, but if you haven't guessed yet, I am massively incompetent, so you might take a look. Thanks a bunch Green Dragon!--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 18:11, 21 December 2012 (MST)

== Wiki theme ==

Hi. I really, really love this wiki theme. I've been messing with different ones on the private site I use for my play-by-post game, but the canned ones out there just aren't quite doing it for me. Did you start from scratch with this theme, or did you build it on top of one of the commonly available ones?

== Request ==

You can change my user name from '''Rouge Luffy''' to '''Rogue Luffy'''? (It was grammer mistake).
[[User talk:Rouge Luffy|Rouge Luffy talk]] 13:13, 14 January 2013 (MST)

:It's spelled "grammar," bro. Furthermore, the mistake in question, like the one of highlighted here, was a spelling error. Good day to you, sir. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2013 (MST)

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big>
|-
| '''This page contains external links.''' D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki
|}

::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

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Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[3.5e Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/69592454.jpg/
{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::It will be so cool if that works - I can devote more time to making content instead of trawling Recent Changes for spam. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 09:56, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::Okay, so, this morning I check the Recent Changes and normally there's half a dozen bits of spam to remove. Today - nothing, all clean! Nice one Blue Dragon, high-fives all round. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2012 (MDT)
::::::::Wow, that's great news! Of course, it's an arms race... so I'll keep any more tricks in the bag for now. Please let me know if it starts up again, and I don't notice. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:32, 20 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
:I also Submitted a new Deity [[Karura (3.5e Deity) | Karura]] in the [[3.5e Greater Deities | 3.5e Greater Deities]] Page and it did not show up at all... I was also wondering if you could take a look at it when you have time... --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

== Magic missle stormer ==

Hello i was lookin at the featured article and was wondering if there was a way to convert this to 4th ed while still keeping the same concept. i am new to d&d and have tried to look into it on my own with lilmited luck. the problem im having is that some of the feats dont seem to exist anymore in 4th edition i am using the path guy character creator so that might be my problem as well but any help you could give would be awesome.

k so im dumb my email to send me any kind of feed back is anthony.yokum1@us.army.mil that prob would have been helpful in the last message.

:[[Talk:Magic_Missile_Stormer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)#4e]]! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:46, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

::The idea of the [[Magic Missile Stormer (3.5e Optimized Character Build)|Magic Missile Stormer]] is possible in 4e, but actually considering it an optimization may be a stretch. See above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 10:32, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

== Disturbing news about [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)/Chapter 5: Equipment/4e Upgrades]] ==

I found something disturbing in the above link. Apparently it is a ''Candidate for Deletion''. May I ask why? Also, has someone been going through the stuff that was in there and deleting everything from the Heroic Tier section? I don't want anyone deleting ANYTHING in D&D 4.0 Future unless I state that I want it deleted. You know what else that I find disturbing? There isn't even a "Delete" template shown on there. Is this an attempt to delete stuff behind my back? I want answers. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:10, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:I understand what happened now. I double checked what was to be deleted. Turns out it was a redirect. I apologize for jumping off the handle on that. Still though, I don't want anything to be deleted from D&D 4.0 Future without my consent. D&D 4.0 Future is a big project and a little overwhelming. -[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:13, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

::I hope the best for your edits as well. Unfortunately, the reviewing, removing, and improving templates do not care about authorship (they look at pages). If something has been incorrectly flagged, feel free to correct the situation though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:::I want to interject here to clarify that it's not appropriate to remove deletion tags from your own page, even if you think it wasn't appropriately added (most authors tend to think the tags are improperly added, so if we just went off of what they said nothing on this site would ever be improved). The proper procedure is to post on the talk page explaining why you believe the tag should be removed. When the mod goes through to check deletion candidates he will read and responses and decide from there whether or not the page should be deleted.

:::Secondly, if you are going to get so upset by the mere suggestion that someone will delete something you wrote, this is probably not the rite place for you. It has been said time and time again that once you post something here you relinquish control, and it can be "edited mercilessly" -- up to and including deletion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

::::One problem is that your Future pages have the 4e category, so are listed on all the 4e indexes. When I (or anyone else) review the quality/balance of these pages, we're not necessarily going to notice that it's for your sourcebook (which uses mechanics not compatible with vanilla 4e - attack/defense scales, damage types, and so on). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:31, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

:::::Also, I should have mentioned that what I said above is for the majority of the processes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:06, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Catagories ==

Just got 2 Quick Questions:

I was wondering if there is a section for Weapon Crystals or Armor Crystals? The kind that is listed in [[Magic Item Compendium (3.5e) | Magic Item Compendium]]...

I was also was wondering if there is a section for Intelligent Items?

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2012 (MDT)

== "Internal Error" when trying to edit talk page. ==

Hi GD, do you get an "internal error" message if you try to edit then save [[Talk:Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)]] ? Preview works. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

:I had the same problem. I think something in the text is triggering the spam filter. I could save the page if I blanked the whole thing, so it's got to be something in the text and not the page itself. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:03, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

== Half-forged ==

Hello sorry for modifying your half forged template w/out permission but after reading the message board most ppl were more interested in spellborg so i took the liberty of balancing and tweaking a couple of stats and making it to the best of my ability " d&d standards" ty for making the half forged templat

P.s. im not even sure if im talkin to the right person but hopefully i am .

== Question on format ==

I haven't heard back from JazzMan, so I thought you'd be next in line for me to ask. Where can I find D20 Modern creature, occupation, equipment, race, and vehicle templates?--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 06:24, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

:At their respetive preload locations. Go to pages like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Add_a_New_D20M_Creature&action=edit these] and go to the "preload" page. E.g. [[d20 Modern Creature Preload]]. Edit the preload to get the information that you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

== Help moving a page ==

How do I move a page? I need to move the Fallout Vehicle page to under the Fallout Equipment page.--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 13:05, 18 September 2012 (MDT)

== Putting out as far as I can! ==

Hi green dragon, I had posted this also on Badgers page, but I wanted to put it somewhere else to make sure others would get to it just in case.

"Hi badger, I'm sure this happens a lot but I just pulled your name first from the Admin list, hoping to get someone to talk to. Anyway, my question was aimed towards the lack of content that exists for 3.5 and has not been posted. While I understand that a lot of classes are not core, Psion as well as its including features are listed, and so I thought I might request to put up more classes, such as from the Magic of Incarnum book, or the Complete Warrior, Divine, Ect. I would love to punch in as much time as needed to get this done. My players love this wiki and I have no time to go fishing for spells in countless books. Please let me know. Thanks :) "

Feel free to email me back at aleadbrick@gmail.com
:I'll jump in here. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but for copyright reasons we cannot reprint WoTC material that is not in the System Reference Document.[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35] Your energy would be best spent helping us [[Meta Pages|improve what's already here]].[[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:48, 3 October 2012 (MDT)

== Feedback please! ==

I've been very busy at the Wikia version of this site, only to find that nobody's there. So I decided to pack up and relocate my ideas here so I could get some feedback on them. Could you please take a look at what I've got? Thanks. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 19:11, 13 October 2012 (MDT)

:First off please remove [[Template:Author]] from your pages. Your contributions are linked to your account and to pages' histories (see their history tab). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:56, 15 October 2012 (MDT)

::Are we best of deleting that template? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:35, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

:::Yes, along with the variations that are floating around. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 08:51, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

== Noticed something that could use some editing ==

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Master is the link to your guys page which i realized inst fully published and finalized and i noticed a few errors with it, under the first ability/feat or whatever you get weapon study doesnt exist. You can actually find the weapon master prestige class in Sword & Fist Page 39 and weapon study isnt in there and its also a D10 character to verify that part under the status at the top. Also i noticed this http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Weapon_Mastery_(3.5e_Feat) has not been completed and id like to point out the information for that can be found in Player Handbook 2 Page 81. Thats pretty much all i have found for now. As a disclaimer im just trying to help and make some possible adjustments. I in no way am giving permission to copy any of the information from the books but trying to help the site become as accurate with there information as possible.
:It seems the page was copied straight out of Sword & Fist, and therefore a copyright violation. Thank-you for pointing this out, it has now been removed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 04:40, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

== Looking to help out ==

Hey, I just got back into my account on this site to work on my Campaign Setting and I'd really like to help out with editing and cleaning up the site, I've always loved it as a resource! Also I'd like to eventually apply for admin so I figured I'd start working now. What pages need the most help? --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (MST)

:I would take a look at the [[To-Do List]] as well as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing Article templates]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:30, 14 November 2012 (MST)

::Wow, there are just an astonishing amount of articles that need to be fleshed out. I think I'm going to start on the to-do list but is there some system for deleting pages that go to long as a stub? Because that list is incredibly immense. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:41, 14 November 2012 (MST) Right so I'm diving into 'Make sure all creatures that do not have an image have Template:ImageNeeded present.' tasker for now - just going to go top down on all the more mechanical tasks. I'll keep you posted. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:47, 14 November 2012 (MST)

== Relocation request ==

I've made a trait (Living Balloon, 3.5, link [[Living Balloon (3.5e Trait)|here]], and on hindsight I figure it would make a better template. Could you help me make the transfer, or should I delete the trait page and start afresh on the template?

:Just move the page (top bar). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 22:31, 16 November 2012 (MST)

==Weirdness==
Hey Green Dragon, I am not sure exactly how, but someone left my signature on a very low rating for the [[Zen Archer (3.5e Class)]] page. The Siggy is legit, with a time stamp and everything. I am worried that it may have been one of the anonymous users who tried to change my [[Shaolin Monk (3.5e Prestige Class)]] page. I confess that I am a little shaken up. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 10:59, 21 December 2012 (MST)
:Possible bug? The ratings were left by IP 76.114.18.20 who left 4 tildes to sign. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=prev&oldid=590240] The tildes didn't get translated to a signature until several edits later when Raweno created a new section [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=next&oldid=601322]. Wierd. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:16, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::Very. But at least it's probably innocent weird. Thanks bro'.--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 12:17, 21 December 2012 (MST)

:::If you un-comment out someone's edit and then save with that signature stamp, it will then stamp your signature. Just remove the unstamped signatures from that point and add {{tl|Unsigned}}. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:28, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::::Cool. I think that it looks right, but if you haven't guessed yet, I am massively incompetent, so you might take a look. Thanks a bunch Green Dragon!--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 18:11, 21 December 2012 (MST)

== Wiki theme ==

Hi. I really, really love this wiki theme. I've been messing with different ones on the private site I use for my play-by-post game, but the canned ones out there just aren't quite doing it for me. Did you start from scratch with this theme, or did you build it on top of one of the commonly available ones?

== Request ==

You can change my user name from '''Rouge Luffy''' to '''Rogue Luffy'''? (It was grammer mistake).
[[User talk:Rouge Luffy|Rouge Luffy talk]] 13:13, 14 January 2013 (MST)

:It's spelled "grammar," bro. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2013 (MST)

Ochremancer (3.5e Class)

2013-01-16T03:05:43Z

Jota: reverting bad grammatical and balance edits

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==Ochremancer==
A terrible disease can usually be contracted by consuming the flesh of an [[SRD:Ooze|ooze]]. Most who acquire such afflictions die in terrible agony, but every once in a while a survivor may find themselves endowed with the powers of an ooze.

===Making an Ochremancer===

An ochremancer is a formidable foe capable of both absorbing punishment and unleashing a torrent of corrosive acid that devastates his enemies.

'''Abilities:''' [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] is the most important ability for an ochremancer. Even though the abilities that require saving throws are few and far between, they all hinge on the ochremancer's Constitution score. A high [[SRD:Dexterity|Dexterity]] is also useful, increasing his attack bonus for ranged touch attacks as well as his [[SRD:Armor Class|Armor Class]].

'''Races:''' Any race can take up the mantle of the ochremancer, but squeamishness is not an advisable trait, and the inherently vile nature of the class makes many "civilized" races shy away from it. Those who follow the path of the ochremancer are typically somewhat perverse, if not evil, individuals. The uniquely variable nature of humans makes them the most apt ochremancers.

'''Alignment:''' Any, although a tendency towards evil is typical. Good-aligned societies rarely wish to have anything to do with oozes, which epitomize filth and, usually by association, evil.

'''Starting Gold:''' 2d4×10 gp (50 gp)

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' Moderate.

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Hit Die: d8
|-
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! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
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| class="left" | [[#Sludge Bomb|Sludge Bomb]], [[#Caustic Slime|Caustic Slime]], [[#Blindsight|Blindsight]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +3 || +1 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Achromatic|Achromatic]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +1 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Electricity Resistance|Electricity Resistance 5]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +4 || +1 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Emulsion Adhesive|Emulsion Adhesive]], [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +1]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +4 || +2 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification 25%]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +5 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Dissimilation|Dissimilation]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +5 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Ketoacidosis|Ketoacidosis]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +6 || +3 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Electricity Resistance|Electricity Resistance 10]], [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +2]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +6 || +3 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 2/day
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +7 || +3 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification 50%]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +7 || +3 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Denaturation|Denaturation]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +8 || +4 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Electricity Resistance|Electricity Resistance 15]], [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +3]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +8 || +4 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 3/day, [[#Swell|Swell]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +9 || +4 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Metamorphosis|Metamorphosis]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +9 || +5 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification 75%]], [[#Ooze Control|Ooze Control]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +10 || +5 || +10
| class="left" | [[#Electricity Resistance|Electricity Resistance 20]], [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +4]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +10 || +5 || +10
| class="left" | [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 4/day
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +11 || +6 || +11
| class="left" | [[#Amorphous|Amorphous]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +11 || +6 || +11
| class="left" | [[#Wall of Sludge|Wall of Sludge]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +12 || +6 || +12
| class="left" | [[#The Blob|The Blob]], [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +5]]
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
[[Balance]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[Bluff]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[Climb]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[Concentration]] ([[SRD:Constitution|Con]]), [[Escape Artist]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[Hide]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Knowledge Skill|Knowledge (dungeoneering)]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[Listen]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[Move Silently]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[Search]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[Spellcraft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[Spot]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[Tumble]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]).
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the ochremancer.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' An ochremancer is proficient with all simple weapons and all light armor but no shields.

'''{{#anc:Sludge Bomb}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer has the ability to create a mass of sickly, pungently smelling goop that he can launch from his hand as a ranged touch attack once per round as an attack action. A sludge bomb deals 1d6 points of acid damage per ochremancer level. No saving throw is allowed on this effect, but [[damage reduction]] and acid resistance do apply. There are no range increments for the sludge bomb, but its range is equal to 50 feet + 10 feet per ochremancer level. At an ochremancer's preference, he can use a sludge bomb to deal 1d6 less damage per level of his Ochremancer level (range variables included).

'''{{#anc:Caustic Slime}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer’s flesh is covered by a thin layer of corrosive liquid that deals acid damage to any object he touches. For every full round of contact he has with an object, he deals an amount of damage to it equal to ½ his HD + his [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier. The ochremancer can suppress this ability at will, and limit it such that only objects he touches with his hands will be affected (worn items and equipment will remain functional). Due to its composition, the slime does not affect organic materials.

'''{{#anc:Blindsight}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer takes on many traits of the oozes he reveres. Even though he is not blind, an ochremancer gains [[blindsight]] up to a distance of 5 feet per level.

'''{{#anc:Achromatic}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer can alter his body chemistry to make him colorless and completely transparent at will. He may now use the [[Hide]] skill while being observed, and gains a bonus to [[Hide]] checks equal to one half his ochremancer level (rounded down).

'''{{#anc:Electricity Resistance}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' The acid coating (and eventually composing) the ochremancer’s body is tremendously strong, taking on the proprieties of most other oozes. He gains electricity resistance 5 at 3rd level. This value increases to 10 at 8th level, 15 at 12th level, and finally 20 at 16th level.

'''{{#anc:Viscosity}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 4th level, an ochremancer’s flesh has thickened to the point where it absorbs the force of attacks (imagine trying to slash a sword through a cube of molasses). He gains a +1 [[SRD:Armor Class#Natural Armor|natural armor]] bonus, which increases by +1 every four levels thereafter. This bonus stacks with any other form of natural armor the ochremancer may have.

'''{{#anc:Emulsion Adhesive}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer has the able to secrete a sticky substance from his pores that adheres instantly to solid surfaces. At 4th level, he can climb walls and other sheer surfaces as if under the effect of a ''[[spider climb]]'' spell.

'''{{#anc:Fortifcation}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer’s body is highly resistant to weapons. He is unaffected by 25% of [[critical hits]] at 5th level. This resistance increases to 50% at 10th level and 75% at 15th level.

'''{{#anc:Dissimilation}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 6th level, an ochremancer gains the ability to break down his body into formless goo. In this form, his base speed decreases to 10 feet and he cannot run; he can, however, slip through small holes and narrow openings, even cracks, without making an [[Escape Artist]] check. His Dexterity drops to 1 in this form and he loses any bonuses offered by worn armor, but he retains his natural armor bonus and gains [[damage reduction]] at a rate of one half his class level rounded down (so at 6th level he would have DR 3/-.) Through inexplicable means, anything under that of a light load that the ochremancer carries with him is shifted as well and unharmed by the transformation, while everything else is left behind (and takes acid damage). The ochremancer loses his ability to make attacks or use his sludge bomb while dissimilated, but any creature that comes into contact with him (through a melee attack or otherwise) takes 1d6 points of acid damage per two levels of ochremancer and any object that he designates is automatically affected by his caustic slime.

Dissimulating and stimulating is a move-equivalent action that provokes an [[SRD:Attack of Opportunity|attack of opportunity]].

'''{{#anc:Ketoacidosis}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer’s veins are no longer filled with blood, but instead with a viscous, acidic ichor that creates a powerful defense mechanism. When a 7th level ochremancer is struck by a melee [[SRD:Piercing Weapon|piercing]] or [[SRD:Slashing Weapon|slashing weapon]], the attacker must succeed on a [[SRD:Saving Throw|Reflex]] save (DC 10 + damage dealt) or take 1d4 points of acid damage.

'''{{#anc:Mercurial Vapors}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' As a standard action, a 10th level ochremancer can release a cloud of toxic fumes in a 20 foot radius twice per day, and gains an additional daily use of this ability every four levels thereafter. Those caught in this cloud must succeed a [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] save (DC 10 + ½ ochremancer level + ochremancer’s [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier) or be [[SRD:Nauseated|nauseated]] for 1d4 rounds. Anyone who succeeds the saving throw against the fumes quickly acclimates and is immune to the effects of mercurial vapors for 24 hours.

'''{{#anc:Denaturation}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 11th level, the acid generated by an ochremancer is so potent that it bypasses the acid resistance of other creatures. He may now bypass an amount of acid resistance equal to his ochremancer level plus his [[Constitution]] modifier.

'''{{#anc:Swell}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer of 13th level or higher has attained a great deal of control over his [[#Dissimilation|dissimilated]] form. When he dissimilates, he may now assume the form of a cube of solid sludge instead of the normal puddle of ooze. This cube takes up an amount of space equal to a creature one size larger than the ochremancer. In this alternate form of dissimilation he loses his damage reduction and ability to slip through cracks, but instead gains the ability to mow down and engulf creatures the size of the cube or smaller that fail a [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Reflex]] save (DC 10 + ½ ochremancer level + [[Constitution]] modifier) when he attempts to move through them. Success indicates that the opponent is merely pushed back instead of being engulfed. Attempting to engulf a creature provokes an [[SRD:Attack of Opportunity|attack of opportunity]] against the ochremancer, but an opponent who attempts the attack of opportunity loses their Reflex save and is automatically engulfed.

An engulfed creature takes 1d6 points of acid damage per two ochremancer levels (round down) per turn that they are inside the ochremancer. An ochremancer that chooses to try and engulf a foe cannot perform any other actions during his turn. This ability is, instead, a standard action

'''{{#anc:Metamorphosis}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' Using the fluid properties of his body, a 14th level ochremancer is able to reshape the contours of his physical form at will. This is similar to the ''[[alter self]]'' spell, except the changes are physical and therefore cannot be dispelled. Since the metamorphosis is achieved by changing the chemical structure of his body, most of the ochremancer’s other abilities (except ketoacidosis) are negated in this form, and as a result he must forego his disguise to reach full combat effectiveness. The ochremancer will also instantly, involuntarily change forms if physically damaged, due to the activation of his ketoacidosis. Voluntarily shifting forms, either to a different form or to his natural form, is a standard action.

'''{{#anc:Ooze Control}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-like|Sp]]):''' An ochremancer, at level 15, can personally control Oozes, or even other ochremancers. An Ochremancer may control ooze or "ooze-afflicted" creatures of up to twice his Ochremancer level. For an Ochremancer to control said creatures, he must part a little of his afflicted body within an Ooze or an Ochremancer. A typical way would be to hit them with a Sludge bomb, or a similar ochremancer ability, though, as a standard action, he can set apart a small portion of his slime body and launch it toward an ooze or Ochremancer. This is similar to using a sludge bomb with no damage, but with the same range increments. In either case, Oozes are given no Will Save to avoid this effect, though Ochremancers can resist control with a Will Save (DC 10 + ½ ochremancer level + controlling ochremancer’s [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier). A successful save resists control and foils any further attempts for 24 hours.

The ability functions as the spell ''[[dominate person]]'' except it only affects oozes or ochremancers. The caster level is equal to the ochremancer level and he can use this ability up to as many times per day as his ochremancer level. If an ooze's HD exceeds his allotted control, the newly controlled ooze creatures falls under your control and previous castings become uncontrolled (you choose which creatures are released).

Oozes typically have no intelligence, so the control of regular oozes are that of simple commands. Ochremancers, however, can communicate with the controller as the spell's description. Unlike the spell, ''[[protection from evil]]'' or a similar ward does not bar the effects of giving command or sensory motion, though an ''[[antimagic field]]'' or wide area alignment effect (opposed by the controller's alignment) does, though does not release control of the ochremancer. Ochremancers, but not oozes, remember their controllers.

This ability can also be used to create new ochremancers or "Ooze afflicted" creatures. Ooze afflicted are creatures who have fallen prey to an ochremancer's terrible influence, but still retain some of their abilities prior to unwillingly taking the curse (unlike those who willingly multiclass as normal). Ooze afflicted have at least one of their class levels converted into an ochremancer level (1d4/½ ochremancer's [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier, value rolled by DM) though the subject can choose which number of class levels to affect. Willing, but not helpless, creatures can freely accept the ooze (albeit, taking the damage below) and take class levels as normal without affecting their current classes, but those who are non-willing are entitled to a Will Save (DC 10 + ½ ochremancer level + controlling ochremancer’s [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier). Success and the creature thwarts this effect and is rendered immune to the effect for 1 hour per the subject's [[SRD:Constitution|Constitution]] modifier. If failed, the subject painfully mutates into a ooze-like creature, taking 1d4 acid damage every round for 1 minute. Creatures so affected this way are subject to control by the caster or another Ochremancer of similar or higher level.

Both effects of this ability only affects humanoids or a creature of a similar type of the ochremancer's, as well as a creature their size category, one size larger or smaller than the caster. Once a creature is ooze afflicted, it's permanent and the victim changes his abilities as follows of a creature equal to the number of levels affected; however the sudden change in class does not affect normal multiclass restrictions (as the transformation is unwilling), so a creature can level up in their previous class without penalty (if they still have the class) or choose to level in ochremancer if desired. This ability only affects class level Hit dice, not creatures' natural Hit dice (so animals and most monsters are naturally immune to this ability) and recipients or victims must be living creatures. Only Limited Wish, Miracle or Wish can restore levels lost this way. Effects that prevent polymorphism also prevent the effect of this ability.

'''{{#anc:Amorphous}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' An ochremancer no longer has any discernible anatomy at 18th level. He now cannot be [[flanked]], and is immune to critical hits as well as [[SRD:Rogue#Class Features#Sneak Attack|sneak attacks]] and [[SRD:Nonlethal Damage|nonlethal damage]].

'''{{#anc:Wall of Sludge}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 19th level, the ochremancer’s ability to [[#Swell|swell]] increases in size and potency. When he decides to swell, he may now form a cube up to two size categories larger than his normal size. In addition, an engulfed opponent takes damage as if he had been attacked by the ochremancer’s [[#Sludge Bomb|sludge bomb]].

'''{{#anc:The Blob}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 20th level, the ochremancer’s journey of transformation has reached its peak. His type now changes to [[SRD:Ooze|ooze]], but he retains his [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] score and therefore the vulnerability to [[:Category:Mind-Affecting Effect|mind-affecting effects]]. As an ooze, he is now immortal and does not need to eat or sleep, but he must still breathe. He is now immune to [[SRD:Poison|poison]], [[SRD:Sleep|sleep effects]], [[SRD:Paralyzed|paralysis]], [[SRD:Polymorph|polymorphing]], and [[SRD:Stunned|stunning]], His electricity resistance also turns to electricity immunity. He also gains a slam attack based on his size (see table below).

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ {{#anc:Table: Ochremancer Slam Attack}}
|-
! rowspan="1" | Ochremancer Level || Slam Damage
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Fine || 1d2
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Diminutive || 1d3
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Tiny || 1d4
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Small || 1d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Medium || 1d8
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Large || 2d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Huge || 2d8
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Gargantuan || 4d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| Colossal || 4d8
|}

In his natural form (his ooze form), the ochremancer is now considered [[SRD:Blinded|blind]], although he still has his blindsight ability. If he changes forms using metamorphosis, he regains his normal vision but loses the benefits of blindsight.

====Epic Ochremancer====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic Ochremancer}}</div>
Hit Die: d8
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 21st || class="left" | [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 5/day
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 22nd || class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 24th || class="left" | [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +6]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 25th || class="left" | [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 6/day
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 26th || class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 27th || class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 28th || class="left" | [[#Viscosity|Viscosity +7]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 29th || class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]], [[#Mercurial Vapors|Mercurial Vapors]] 7/day
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 30th || class="left" |
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''Sludge Bomb:''' The epic ochremancer's sludge bomb continues to increase in damage by 1d6 at every level after 20th.

'''Blindsight:''' The epic ochremancer's blindsight continues to increase by 5 feet per level.

'''Mercurial Vapors:''' The epic ochremancer gains more daily uses of his mercurial vapors ability at 21st, 25th and 29th level.

'''Viscosity:''' The epic ochremancer continues to gain bonuses to his natural armor every four levels after 20th.

'''{{#anc: Bonus Feats }}:''' The epic ochremancer gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic ochremancer bonus feats) every three levels after 20th.

''Epic Ochremancer Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Armor Skin|Armor Skin]], [[SRD:Damage Reduction (Feat)|Damage Reduction]], [[SRD:Energy Resistance (Feat)|Energy Resistance]], [[Epic Endurance]], [[Epic Fortitude]], [[Epic Prowess]], [[SRD:Epic Reputation|Epic Reputation]], [[SRD:Epic Speed|Epic Speed]], [[Epic Toughness]], [[SRD:Fast Healing (Feat)|Fast Healing]], [[Great Constitution]], [[SRD:Great Dexterity|Great Dexterity]], [[Perfect Health]], [[SRD:Superior Initiative|Superior Initiative]].

====Human Ochremancer Starting Package====

'''Weapons:''' [[Heavy mace]].

'''Skill Selection:''' Pick a number of skills equal to 4 + [[Int]] modifier.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|-
! class="left" | Skill || Ranks || Ability || Armor Check Penalty
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | [[Balance]] || 4 || [[Dex]] || -1
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | [[Concentration]] || 4 || [[Con]] || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | [[Escape Artist]] || 4 || [[Dex]] || -1
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | [[Hide]] || 4 || [[Dex]] || -1
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | [[Spellcraft]] || 4 || [[Int]] || —
|}

'''Feat:''' [[Point Blank Shot]]

'''Bonus Feats:''' [[Improved Initiative]].

'''Gear:''' Studded leather armor, bedroll.

'''Gold:''' 25 gp.

===Campaign Information===

====Playing an Ochremancer====

'''Religion:''' In keeping with expectations, ochremancers tend to worship deities of pestilience and disease, particularly those who count oozes amongst their allies. Demons lords, such as Juiblex, also have a particular following amongs evil ochremancers.

'''Other Classes:''' An ochremancer is an ooze (or at least a wanna-be ooze), plain and simple. As a result, his popularity among others will likely take a dip due to the repulsive nature of most oozes. Despite this, he is usually capable of getting along with others, assuming they look past his somewhat horrific reputation.

'''Combat:''' Due to his ability to resist weapon damage, the ochremancer has the ability to be a functional front-line combatant. But he is best used as a ranged support character who can pelt opponents with sludge bombs while remaining unmolested.

'''Advancement:''' Evil ochremancers typically become cancer mages or thralls of the demon lord Juiblex (both prestige classes from the ''[[Book of Vile Darkness]]''). It is also not uncommon for ochremancers to multi-class as [[SRD:Rogue|rogues]], supplementing their rare infiltration skills with rogue abilities.

====Ochremancers in the World====

{{quote|''The acid I use will soon be used to cleanse the world, and one day soon, you will all be baptized in it.''|orig=Grissom, human ochremancer}}

An ochremancer carries with him a tremendous spite for humanoids, now feeling more of a kinship with oozes. While this does not bar him from cooperating with fellow party members, he will keep himself as aloof and distant as possible.

'''Daily Life:''' An ochremancer usually resides in the pits of society, reveling in the filth and excrement that people casually discard. Such places are the breeding grounds for oozes, and as a result the ochremancer feels at home there.

'''Notables:''' The names of specific ochremancers are erased by historians, who shudder to even think of them and usually choose to omit them from historical records.

'''Organizations:''' While most ochremancers share a commonality in their reverence for oozes, they never congregate and no official organization exists between them The treat each other much the same way an ooze would treat a fellow ooze: with ambivalence at best and in most cases with open hostility.

'''NPC Reactions:''' The reputation (and foul stench) of an ooze follows the ochremancer everywhere he goes. Due to the circumstances of their creation, ochremancers are shunned as carriers of disease (although they tend to be resistant to diseases).

====Ochremancer Lore====

Characters with ranks in [[SRD:Knowledge Skill|Knowledge (dungeoneering)]] can research ochremancers to learn more about them. When a character makes a skill check, read or paraphrase the following, including information from lower DCs.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ Knowledge (dungeoneering)
! DC || class="left" | Result
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 5 || class="left" | Ochremancers are beings who have gained the powers of an ooze.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 10 || class="left" | Ochremancers, like their ooze brethren, prefer to live in dank, filthy places, far away from the cleanliness of civilization.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 15 || class="left" | An ochremancer has numerous acid-based abilities, not the least of which is the power to create a ball of acid called a sludge bomb.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 20 || class="left" | Ochremancers are the survivors of diseases contracted by eating an aberration or ooze.
|}

====Ochremancers in the Game====

An ocremancer is tremendously versatile, able to be a front-line or a support fighter. With his abilities of infiltration (dissimilation), lockpicking (casutic slime) and disguise (metamorphosis) he can also to an effective (if unorthodox) substitute for a rogue.

'''Adaptation:''' Oozes exist in most campaigns, and as a result adaptation of the ochremancer is extremely simple.

'''Sample Encounter:'''

''EL 10:'' After defeating a [[black pudding]], the PC's discover its master, a 12th level ocremancer who reveals himself and attacks.

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==Fire Mage==
{{quote|Yes, fire ''is'' cool.}}

A Fire Mage is someone who burns their own soul out to burn the bodies of others. Tactically, they shine against groups of enemies, because fires spread across the battlefield like a plague.

===Making a Fire Mage===

'''Alignment:''' Fire is a destructive force, and a lot of Fire Mages are Chaotic. But they don't have to be.

'''Races:''' Fire Mages appear in all races.

'''Starting Gold:''' 6d6×10 gp (210 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' As [[SRD:Rogue|Rogue]].

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Fire Mage}}</div>
Hit Die: d8
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]
|-
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +2 || +2 || +2
| class="left" | [[#Fire Resistance|Fire Resistance]], [[#Fire Burst|Fire Burst]], [[#Fire Bolts|Fire Bolts]], [[#Impress Flames|Impress Flames]], [[#Fire Magic|Fire Magic]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +3 || +3 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Ignite|Ignite]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +3 || +3 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Piercing Flames|Piercing Flames]], [[#Hand of Fire|Hand of Fire]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +4 || +4 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Fire Immunity|Fire Immunity]], [[#Smokeless Flame|Smokeless Flame]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +4 || +4 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Fireballs|Fireballs]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +5 || +5 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Mindfire|Mindfire]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +5 || +5 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Visions of Flame|Visions of Flame]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +6 || +6 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Soul of Cinders|Soul of Cinders]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +6 || +6 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Sculpt Flames|Sculpt Flames]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +7 || +7 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Conflagration|Conflagration]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +7 || +7 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Beacon|Beacon]], [[#Firewalk|Firewalk]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +8 || +8 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Bonds of Fire|Bonds of Fire]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +8 || +8 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Fire Clouds|Fire Clouds]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +9 || +9 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Searing Light|Searing Light]], [[#Ray of Light|Ray of Light]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+6 || +9 || +9 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Sending|Sending]], [[#Rain of Fire|Rain of Fire]]
|}
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Concentration (Con), Disguise (Cha), Escape Artist (Dex), Handle Animal (Cha), Intimidate (Cha), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Move Silently (Dex), Profession (-), Ride (Dex), Search (Int), Spellcraft (Int), Spot (Wis), Survival (Wis), and Use Rope (Dex).

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Fire Mage.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' Fire Mages are proficient with all simple weapons, as well as the whip, all martial axes, and all sizes and varieties of scimitar (including falchions). Fire Mages are proficient with light armor but not with shields of any kind, except bucklers.

'''{{#anc:Fire Resistance}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A Fire Mage has a Resistance to Fire equal to twice his level.

'''''{{#anc:Fire Burst}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' As a standard action, a Fire Mage can emit a burst of flame from his body, striking all creatures and objects within 10' of his position except himself. This burst of flames inflicts 1d6 of fire damage, with an allowed Reflex Save for half (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier).

'''''{{#anc:Fire Bolts}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A fire mage can throw bolts of fire as an attack action. A fire bolt travels out to short range, and inflicts 1d6 of fire damage per level. A fire bolt strikes its target with a ranged touch attack.

'''{{#anc:Impress Flames}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' Every time a Fire Mage inflicts Fire damage on any target, whether with his class abilities or another source of fire, he inflicts an amount of extra Fire Damage equal to his class level or his Charisma modifier, whichever is less.

'''{{#anc:Fire Magic}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A Fire Mage is considered to have every spell with the Fire Descriptor on his spell list for the purpose of activating magic items.

'''''{{#anc:Ignite}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' As a standard action, a 2nd level Fire Mage can cause any creature or object to burst into flame. A creature on fire suffers 1d6 of Fire damage per round (the Mage's Impress Flames ability applies to each round of course), and the creature can attempt to put itself out with a DC 15 Reflex save (see the DMG, p. 303). This ability can be used out to Medium range, and it always hits.

'''{{#anc:Piercing Flames}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' From 3rd level on, a Fire Mage's Fire cuts through Fire Resistance, hardness, and Immunity. No more than {{1/2}} of the damage inflicted by his fire damage can be negated by hardness or immunity or resistance to Fire. In addition, the Fire Mage ignores the first 5 points of Fire Resistance that a target has.

'''{{#anc:Hand of Fire}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' A 3rd level Fire Mage can set fire to their own body, causing them to count as armed at all times, even with unarmed attacks. The Fire Mage also causes an extra 1d6 of Fire damage with all melee attacks.

'''{{#anc:Fire Immunity}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A 4th level Fire Mage is immune to Fire.

'''''{{#anc:Smokeless Flame}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 4th level Fire Mage can create fires that produce no heat and do not burn. These fires can be anything from the size of a torch to a bonfire, and produce light accordingly. Each lasts until the next time the sun rises. Smokeless Flame can be created anywhere within Medium range.

'''''{{#anc:Fireballs}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 5th level Fire Mage can hurl explosive fire anywhere within Long Range as a Full Round Action. This Fire explodes into a 20' radius burst and inflicts 1d6 of Fire Damage per level. All creatures within the area are entitled to a Reflex save to halve damage (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier).

'''''{{#anc:Mindfire}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 6th level Fire Mage can start a Fire in a creature's mind, duplicating the effects of ''[[SRD:Rage|rage]]'' or ''[[SRD:Confusion|confusion]]'' for a number of minutes equal to his Level. The victim must be within Medium Range, and is entitled to a Will Save to negate this effect (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier). This is a Mind influencing Compulsion effect.

'''''{{#anc:Visions of Flame}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 7th level Fire Mage can ''[[SRD:Contact Other Plane|contact other plane]]'' to communicate with the denizens of the Elemental Plane of Fire. A Fire Mage is in no danger of becoming insane or damaged by this experience.

'''''{{#anc:Soul of Cinders}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' An 8th level Fire Mage has burnt his soul to ash, and is no longer susceptible to Energy Drain or Fear.

'''''{{#anc:Sculpt Flames}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 9th level Fire Mage can create delicate shapes and walls made of fire. The Fire is fully shapeable, but cannot pass through more than 2 squares per level. Any creature passing through a square with fire in it suffers 1d6 of fire damage per level. A creature which is in a square that is being filled with fire is entitled to a Reflex Save (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier) to move to the nearest non-flaming square as an immediate action. These fires persist for 1 round per level. Alternately, the Fire Mage can replicate a ''[[SRD:Wall of Fire|wall of fire]]'' which persists for 1 minute per level.

'''''{{#anc:Conflagration}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' At 10th level, a Fire Mage can surround himself with a nimbus of flames that extends for 10' in all directions from his person. All other targets in this area suffer a d10 of Fire Damage per level, but are entitled to a Reflex Save (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier). In addition, a Fire Mage can cast ''[[SRD:Fire Shield|fire shield]]'' at will (Hot Shield only).

'''''{{#anc:Beacon}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' An 11th level Fire Mage can create a magically permanent bonfire as a standard action. He always knows exactly where each Beacon he has created is (Even if he is on another plane) and will know if it is put out by any means.

'''''{{#anc:Firewalk}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' At 11th level a Fire Mage can walk into any fire large enough to fit his person and appear in any other fire that is likewise of sufficient size anywhere on any plane of existence. The Fire Mage must know where the target fire is. The Fire Mage can take any number of willing creatures or carried objects that are also able to fit in both flames.

'''''{{#anc:Bonds of Fire}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 12th level Fire Mage can craft solid fire and entrap a victim in it. The bonds will immobilize a creature which fails a Reflex Save (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier), and will ''[[SRD:Entangle|entangle]]'' the creature unless it succeeds in its save by more than 5. A creature can attempt to escape by taking a Full round action to make a Strength or Escape Artist test with a DC equal to the [[SRD:Use Rope|Use Rope]] Skill Result of the Fire Mage. The victim suffers 20 points of Fire Damage per round, and the bonds of fire last until the victim escapes or the Fire Mage dismisses them.

'''''{{#anc:Fire Clouds}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' As a Full Round Action, a 13th level Fire Mage can create huge billowing clouds of Fire. The Fire Clouds must be created within Long range, and persist for 3 rounds whether they are still in range or not. The cloud is shapeable, and covers at most 3 10' cubes per Level. Each round, everyone and everything inside the cloud suffers 1d6 of Fire damage per level, but is entitled to a Reflex save for half damage (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier).

'''''{{#anc:Searing Light}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 14th level Fire Mage can call levels of illumination that are painful and destructive as the unmitigated baleful glare of the sun itself. All darkness within 5 miles is dispelled, and everything is illuminated. All undead suffer 10 points of damage per round. All creatures specifically vulnerable to light suffer 10 damage per round (thus, vampires suffer 20 damage per round). All creatures are [[SRD:Dazzled|Dazzled]]. Creatures must pass a Fortitude save (DC 10 + {{1/2}} Level + Charisma Modifier) every minute or become [[SRD:Blinded|blind]] for the remainder of the effect. Creatures that are blinded when the effect ends are entitled to another Fortitude save to get their vision back, but if they fail this save the blinding is permanent. This effect lasts until the Fire Mage dismisses it or he is incapacitated.

'''''{{#anc:Ray of Light}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' As an attack action, a 14th level Fire Mage can fire a ray of Light at any target within Short Range. It inflicts 1d6 of Light Damage per level if it hits with a Ranged Touch Attack. Undead take 10 extra damage. Creatures specifically vulnerable to Light suffer an additional 10 damage.

'''''{{#anc:Sending}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' A 15th level Fire Mage can send a message, as the ''[[SRD:Sending|sending]]'' spell to any creature on any plane of existence with a standard action and receive a reply even if they are on different planes of existence.

'''''{{#anc:Rain of Fire}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' At 15th level, the Fire Mage can open the skies and dump raw inferno upon all who would oppose him. The fires inflict 1d6 of Fire Damage per level, and victims are permitted a Reflex save (DC 10 + {{1/2}} level + Charisma Modifier). The Fire Mage chooses which squares are struck with fire, and the only limits to how many squares can burn is how many squares the Fire Mage can see. There are no range limits to this power save line of sight.

===External Links===
* [http://www.tgdmb.com/viewtopic.php?p=40214 Source]

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Skin of Reincarnation (3.5e Armor)

2012-09-22T18:51:32Z

Jota: formatting

{{3.5e Magic Item
|name=Skin of Reincarnation
|cl=Variable, see text
|prerequisites=''[[SRD:Reincarnate|reincarnate]]'' (caster level 7), ''[[SRD:Contingency|contingency]]'' (caster level 11), and [[SRD:Craft_Magic_Arms_and_Armor|craft magic arms and armor]]; the same character need not supply both spells, and only one character needs the requisite feat.
|aura=Strong
|school=Transmutation
|price=110,000
|weight=0
|description=This skin adheres to an individual permanently. After it adheres to someone, whether they want to or not, they reincarnate whenever they die. After 10 uses the skin is no longer functions and can be removed. Anyone wearing the skin is immune to polymorphing effects and cannot forego this immunity for any reason.
}}

[[Category:Armor]]
[[Category:Torso Slot]]

Talk:Gambler (3.5e Class)

2012-09-22T18:38:35Z

Jota: Undo revision 590008 by 109.74.151.67 (talk)

== Changes to this class ==

Feel free to make suggestions or spelling/grammer changes. please Discuss any actual changes to the class with me first. I would be happy to make it more balanced or clarify things, but it was created with help from another person, and I would like to involve them. Thanks [[User:Kazesama|Kazesama]] 12:11, 28 May 2008 (MDT)

:It might help if you were to post descriptions of the class's abilities for us to read.

::hehe, yeah sorry, i've been trying to on that. just school and preparing for our next campaign day kinda overloaded me. sorry. i'm getting to that now. [[User:Kazesama|Kazesama]] 23:24, 28 May 2008 (MDT)

:::Ok, everything i can think of is done except for the tables for drawing cards with percentile dice, and the table for "Crap Shoot" and the Table for the effect of each card. these are all things my buddy has, so i'll hopefully post them by the start of next week. [[User:Kazesama|Kazesama]] 00:47, 29 May 2008 (MDT)

::::Are you still going upload the card table and the Crap Shoot table? I would love to play this class if so.

:::I'd like to see something more focused on using Bluff, Sense Motive, and luck manipulation in combat, and less focused on being Gambit.

== Adopting the class ==

[[User:Kazesama|Kazesama]], I'd like to adopt this class. It hasn't seen any work since 2008, so I'm going to get started soon. If you plan to finish it, let me know. If you just want to use the current version as a reference, but don't want to finish it, here is a link: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Gambler_(3.5e_Class)&oldid=381303 http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Gambler_(3.5e_Class)&oldid=381303]. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:58, 16 July 2009 (MDT)

:Well, I'm basically done the class now. It isn't much like what you had at all, but I think that the changes have taken it in a much better direction. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:14, 21 July 2009 (MDT)

== Review ==

I'd appreciate any comments/suggestions to make this class better. I feel like it isn't focused enough in what it does (though that may not be a bad thing for a base class). I also probably need something for level 19. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:30, 21 July 2009 (MDT)

:I'm testing out the class in a campaign and found a few things that could use some tweaking. A couple things that the class doesn't really do is utilize the Profession: Gambling skill and Luck rerolls. I think both of them can be worked into the class a bit more. For example, set a DC on the Reload abilities based on the number of cards missing from the deck and do a Gambling check to determine success. I feel that some class features could be replaced with ones that grant and/or utilize luck rerolls. You already grant bonus luck feats, why not come up with something for the class itself. IE, using a luck reroll to discard a card drawn for a class ability and draw a replacement keeping the new result. Also, possibly making the dice bomb and other dice based abilities have a cooldown (shared between abilities, these are some hot dice!) like a breath weapon (1d4+1 rounds). As I play with it, we're tweaking things here and there between sessions to make it a bit more balanced. [[User:Nam-Ereh-Won|Nam-Ereh-Won]]

:I find some of abilities are currently too spam-able. I think that there should either be a cooldown period for the Flashy Shuffle or a card cost (like with Card Swirl). I was going to talk about Crap Shoot and some of the spells on their being a little powerful to be used constantly, but other classes get them at lower levels (so no problems there). Hot Streak should come earlier. The symbols don't seem to fit with the class, but (sorry for the pun) trap cards are a good idea. By which I mean, setting down cards that have random effects ranging from damage to healing spells as traps. I think there should be references to different card games and dice games. Like Poker Hands that have effects (with stronger hands having better or stronger effects). -[[User:Drseymour|Dr. Seymour]] 19:03, 10 October 2011 (MDT)

== Rating ==

'''Power - <<<5>>>/5''' I give this class a <<<5>>> out of 5 because <<<the gambler is quite capable of keeping up with other "wizard" level classes>>> --[[User:Balthuras|Balthuras]] 08:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

'''Wording - <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>>/5''' I give this class a <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>> out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --[[User:Balthuras|Balthuras]] 08:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>>/5''' I give this class a <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>> out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --[[User:Balthuras|Balthuras]] 08:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

'''Flavor - <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>>/5''' I give this class a <<<Insert Your Rating Here>>> out of 5 because <<<insert why you gave the rating and how to improve it>>> --[[User:Balthuras|Balthuras]] 08:27, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

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== Rating ==

'''Power - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because the effects may be random, but they are never bad, they just keep getting better. --~~~~

'''Wording - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because the class ability's have good naming, and the ability's possible are perfectly suitible --~~~~

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== Rating ==

'''Power - 4.5/5''' I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because All of it's attacks are touch ranged, this makes for hitting enemies very easy --~~~~

'''Wording - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 easy to understand and fun to play--~~~~

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it works --~~~~

'''Flavor - 4.5/5''' I give this class a 4.5 out of 5 because it is an interesting dynamic character that works really well and is amazingly fun to play --~~~~

Talk:Two-Handed Spell (3.5e Feat)

2012-09-22T18:33:41Z

Jota:

wtf is this shit, its not look like srd feat so in which book is this from?
or move it into user-made

:It is in the homebrew content section (see Category:User), it just has odd formatting (I think, I'm not sure what passes for standard around here anymore). Pretty much everything not preceded by SRD: (a la [[SRD:Barbarian]]) is homebrew. I would also add that this is broken as hell. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 22:42, 16 August 2012 (MDT)

:: It should be balanced now. Constructive criticism is still welcome. [[User:Dozen|Dozen]] ([[User talk:Dozen|talk]]) 13:38, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

:::I still don't see this as particularly balanced because 1) as a wizard I'd expect you to have two hands free most of the time and 2) because it does not use up a higher spell level (as metamagic typically does) to compensate for the bonuses from metamagic. This is essentially Spell Focus and Greater Spell Focus combined and applied to all spells with no cost. Even if the intended implication is that you have to have three or more hands free, the relative inaccessibility of the feat to most casters doesn't mean it's any more balanced. I don't want to say this is a dead-end concept, but I would clarify the three or more hands thing (if that's the case) and try to find some way to offer a creative boost to power without just making bigger numbers. This is really treading on the territory of ''heighten spell'' as it is. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 12:33, 22 September 2012 (MDT)

Talk:Gambler (3.5e Class)

2012-09-22T15:00:25Z

Jota: spam

Thief-Acrobat (3.5e Class)

2012-09-22T14:33:49Z

Jota: Undo revision 589528 by Rouge Luffy (talk) - Tome class

{{stub|Missing epic information, a starting package, and campaign information.}}
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|desc=While the common rogue is a thief, con-man, and scout extraordinaire, the thief acrobat is a highly trained specialist in the art of housebreaking and feats of dexterity and acrobatics. As an adventurer, they are masters of negotiating difficult terrain and situations with flair and panache. Masters of athletics and gymnastics, they hone their art to a level that seems to be magical to the uninitiated. Most use these skills to gain the easy score or poorly defended hoard, but some take up the life of an adventurer as a chance to test their purely mortals skills against the world full of magic and supernatural creatures.
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<noinclude>==Thief-Acrobat==</noinclude><includeonly>===Thief-Acrobat===</includeonly>
{{quote|They put their safe on the ceiling, it's like they wanted me to take these scrolls.}}

While the common rogue is a thief, con-man, and scout extraordinaire, the thief acrobat is a highly trained specialist in the art of housebreaking and feats of dexterity and acrobatics. As an adventurer, they are masters of negotiating difficult terrain and situations with flair and panache. Masters of athletics and gymnastics, they hone their art to a level that seems to be magical to the uninitiated. Most use these skills to gain the easy score or poorly defended hoard, but some take up the life of an adventurer as a chance to test their purely mortals skills against the world full of magic and supernatural creatures.

<noinclude>===Making a Thief-Acrobat===</noinclude><includeonly>====Making a Thief-Acrobat====</includeonly>

'''Races:''' Any.

'''Alignment:''' Any.

'''Starting Gold:''' 4d4x10 gp (100 gp).

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' As [[SRD:Rogue|Rogue]].

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Thief-Acrobat}}</div>
Hit Die: d6
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special

|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +2 || +0
| class="left" | [[#Acrobatic Flair|Acrobatic Flair]], [[#Trapfinding|Trapfinding]], [[#Pole Jump|Pole Jump]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +3 || +0
| class="left" | [[#Evasion|Evasion]], Sneak Attack +1d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +3 || +1
| class="left" | [[#Sure Climb|Sure Climb]], [[#Kip Up|Kip Up]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | [[#Detect Magic|Detect Magic]], [[#Grapple Line|Grapple Line]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +4 || +1
| class="left" | [[#Rapid Stealth|Rapid Stealth]], Sneak Attack +2d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | [[#Mercurial Charge|Mercurial Charge]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +5 || +2
| class="left" | Sneak Attack +3d6, [[#Unsettling Choreography|Unsettling Choreography]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +6 || +2
| class="left" | [[#Improved Evasion|Improved Evasion]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +6 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Athletic Cascade|Athletic Cascade]], Sneak Attack +4d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Skill Mastery|Skill Mastery]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +7 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Aggressive Stealth|Aggressive Stealth]], Sneak Attack +5d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Dedicated Evasion|Dedicated Evasion]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Power Slide|Power Slide]], Sneak Attack +6d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +9 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Shadow Tumble|Shadow Tumble]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+6 || +5 || +9 || +5
| class="left" | Sneak Attack +7d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+7 || +5 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Death from Above|Death from Above]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+7 || +5 || +10 || +5
| class="left" | Sneak Attack +8d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+8 || +6 || +11 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Supreme Skill Mastery|Supreme Skill Mastery]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+9 || +6 || +11 || +6
| class="left" | Sneak Attack +9d6
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+10 || +6 || +12 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Supreme Evasion|Supreme Evasion]]
|}
'''Class Skills (6 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Appraise (Int), Balance (Dex), Bluff (Cha), Climb (Str), Craft (Int), Diplomacy (Cha), Disable Device (Int), Escape Artist (Dex), Hide (Dex), Jump (Str), Listen (Wis), Open Lock (Dex), Move Silently (Dex), Perform (Cha), Profession (Wis), Search (Int), Sense Motive (Wis), Sleight of Hand (Dex), Spot (Wis), Swim (Str), Tumble (Dex), Use Magic Device (Cha), and Use Rope (Dex)..

<noinclude>====Class Features====</noinclude><includeonly>=====Class Features=====</includeonly>

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' Thief Acrobats are proficient with all simple weapons, as well as the sap, the shortsword, the whip, the bolas, the long staff, and the shuriken. Thief Acrobats are proficient with light armor but not with shields of any kind.

'''{{#anc:Trapfinding}}:''' At 1st level, Thief Acrobats can use the Search skill to locate traps when the task has a Difficulty Class higher than 20. Finding a nonmagical trap has a DC of at least 20, or higher if it is well hidden. Finding a magic trap has a DC of 25 + the level of the spell used to create it. Thief Acrobats can use the Disable Device skill to disarm magic traps. A magic trap generally has a DC of 25 + the level of the spell used to create it. An Thief Acrobat who beats a trap’s DC by 10 or more with a Disable Device check can study a trap, figure out how it works, and bypass it (with her party) without disarming it.

'''{{#anc:Acrobatic Flair}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A Thief Acrobat may move her full movement while using the Tumble or Balance skill without suffering a penalty or increasing the DC of her check.

'''{{#anc:Pole Jump}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' If holding a pole, spear, staff, long staff, or other pole-like object in both hands, a Thief Acrobat can add twice her reach to her final distance moved during a Jump check, and in this instance her jump distances are not limited by her height.

'''{{#anc:Sneak Attack}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 2nd level, a Thief Acrobat gains the sneak attack ability as a Rogue. Her sneak attacks inflict an extra d6 of damage at 2nd level. This damage increases by 1d6 at levels 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 15, 17, and 19.

'''{{#anc:Evasion}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' If a 2nd level Thief Acrobat succeeds in a Reflex Save to halve damage, she suffers no damage instead.

'''{{#anc:Sure Climb}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 3rd level, a Thief Acrobat gains a [[SRD:Climb Speed|climb speed]] equal to half her land speed.

'''{{#anc:Kip Up}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 3rd level, a Thief Acrobat may stand up from [[SRD:Prone|prone]] as a free action that does not provoke an attack of opportunity.

'''''{{#anc:Detect Magic}}'' ([[Sp]]):''' At 4th level, a Thief Acrobat may use ''[[SRD:Detect Magic|detect magic]]'' at-will as a spell-like ability. A Thief Acrobat may use her Appraise Skill in place of her Spellcraft in order to glean additional information from her detect magic.

'''{{#anc:Grapple Line}}:''' At 4th level, a Thief Acrobat becomes a master of using grapples and grappling lines. By firing a missile weapon designed as a grappling weapon at an unoccupied square and doing at least 1 point of damage to an object filling that square (wall, ceiling, statue, etc) or a securely affixed object (ceiling post, small statue affixed to floor, etc), a Thief Acrobat can run a rope from his current potion to that location as a full round action. He may then use this rope to make Balance or Climb checks as normal.

Weapons designed as grappling weapons have a simple pulley and loop attached at the end and are balanced for this modification, and have at least a 50’ length of strong thread running through it and connected to a rope so that it can be pulled through swiftly. They cost an additional +1 GP each (ammunition costs as much as normal weapons), and suffer a 5 ft reduction in range increment. Many grappling weapons are made out of [[SRD:Adamantine|adamantine]] in order to better penetrate hard materials like stone.

'''{{#anc:Rapid Stealth}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At level 5, the Thief Acrobat does not suffer the -10 penalty to Move Silently or Hide for moving at her full normal speed. She still suffers the normal -20 penalties to hide and move silently for running or fighting if she performs those actions.

'''{{#anc:Mercurial Charge}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At level 6, a Thief Acrobat need not move in a straight line to charge, nor must she charge the closest available space. She still may not move back on herself during a charge, and her charge move still ends as soon as she threatens her target.

'''{{#anc:Unsettling Choreography}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A Thief Acrobat of 7th level is adept at making other creatures fall down, and may use her Dexterity Modifier in place of her Strength modifier when making a [[SRD:Trip|trip]] or [[SRD:Bull Rush|bull rush]] attempt.

'''{{#anc:Improved Evasion}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' When a Thief Acrobat of 8th level fails a Reflex Save to halve damage, she takes half damage anyway.

'''{{#anc:Athletic Cascade}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 9th level, if a Thief Acrobat moves before making an attack, for the purposes of flanking she may count any square she has moved through as threatening an opponent, in addition to the space she is actually attacking from. In this manner, she may even flank with herself.

'''{{#anc:Skill Mastery}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 10th level, a Thief Acrobat is able to take 10 on any Appraise, Balance, Disable Device, Jump, Hide, Move Silently, and Tumble checks even in stressful or dangerous situations.

'''{{#anc:Aggressive Stealth}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' A Thief Acrobat of 11th level does not suffer the -20 penalty to Hide or Move Silently checks for running or fighting.

'''{{#anc:Dedicated Evasion}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 12th level, a Thief Acrobat gains the ability to evade with almost supernatural skill. As a standard action, she can add her Thief Acrobat level as a Dodge bonus to her Reflex Saves and AC for one round.

'''{{#anc:Power Slide}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' If a 13th level Thief Acrobat takes damage from an attack, she may allow herself to be flung backwards, thereby lessening the impact. She may make a Balance check with a DC equal to the damage inflicted and if she succeeds, she suffers only half damage. This is a skill check, not a Saving Throw, so abilities such as [[#Evasion|Evasion]] do not apply. She is moved away from the source of damage by 5' for every 5 points of damage (or part there of) negated in this way. If there is not enough space for her to move, she suffers a d6 of damage for each square not moved. If she passes through an occupied square, the Thief Acrobat would have to make a tumble check to avoid attacks of opportunity.

'''{{#anc:Shadow Tumble}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 14th level, a Thief Acrobat has learned to tumble through the Plane of Shadow. She may make a tumble check with a DC equal to 10 plus five for every square she wishes to pass through another plane of existence. Intervening terrain, even [[SRD:Wall of Force|walls of force]] have no effect on movement through the plane of shadow. The Thief Acrobat's total distance moved does not increase, no matter how much of it may be taken through the plane of shadow.

'''{{#anc:Death from Above}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 16th level, the Thief Acrobat has learned to used the energy of a fall to devastating effect. If the Thief Acrobat can fall at least 30’ (by falling from a height or by using a Jump check) and end in her enemy's square, any attacks made at the end of that fall do triple damage. Sneak Attack is not multiplied in this way.

'''{{#anc:Supreme Skill Mastery}}:''' At 19th level, a Thief Acrobat is able to take 20 on any Appraise, Balance, Disable Device, Jump, Hide, Move Silently, and Tumble checks even in stressful or dangerous situations, and does not take twenty times as long as usual for taking 20.

'''{{#anc:Supreme Evasion}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 20th level, a Thief acrobat takes no damage from any effect requiring a Reflex save.
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==See Also==
* [[Dungeonomicon (DnD Other)]]

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Talk:Gambler (3.5e Class)

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Talk:Thief-Acrobat (3.5e Class)

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== Rating ==

'''Power - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because I've always thought this class was balanced, it was even my favorite out of the Dungeonomicon. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 21:56, 20 April 2009 (MDT)

'''Wording - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because everything stated on the page is easily understood. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 21:56, 20 April 2009 (MDT)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 2.5/5''' I give this class a 2.5 out of 5 because massive portions of the preload are missing, though, interwiki linking is decently comprehensive. (also, you have a incomplete link in the Power Slide entry) → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 21:56, 20 April 2009 (MDT)

'''Flavor - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because, as I stated above, this is my favorite out of the Dungeonomicon. → [[User:Rithaniel|Rith]] [[User talk:Rithaniel|(talk)]] 21:56, 20 April 2009 (MDT)

== Base Attack Bonus ==

Is there a reason this uses conventional attacks (15/10/5) rather than the modified variant seemingly preferred by other Tome classes (15/10/10)? -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:39, 25 June 2009 (MDT)

:I could have sworn they were all Tome-styles. Maybe someone snuck an edit by me and Surgo. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 22:42, 25 June 2009 (MDT)

::I can fix it, if you want. Tome classes rock. It'd be my pleasure. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 15:38, 29 June 2009 (MDT)

:::Fixed. It doesn't make sense for the T-A to have the traditional BAB when it isn't even that powerful by Tome standards. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 16:41, 29 June 2009 (MDT)

::::Meh, ANY class should have the Tome BAB. Wizards didn't playtest properly when they wrote the rules anyway. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 13:57, 30 June 2009 (MDT)

== "Homebrew" ==

Isn't Thief-Acrobat directly from Complete Adventurer?

:The class name maybe. Everything else? No.--[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 20:37, 22 October 2009 (MDT)

== Extremely overpowered ==

While, from a personal perspective, I love this class and its goals (I myself re-imaged the Shadow Dancer to accomplish the same goal as this class), it seems to me to be extremely over powered.
* The immunity to all reflex-save events is inappropriate. The mechanism in place in D&D to reflect that something is adept at avoiding damage by reacting is the reflex save itself. If you want to say that a thief acrobat is very adept at avoiding things that require a reflex save, then give it a better reflex save. Just saying "nope, immune" is not an appropriate use of existing D&D mechanisms. The method proposed in this class ignores the fact that as fast as a thief-acrobat is, there is always the potential for something faster. Improved Evasion as written is about as far as I think anything should go for this. This class should simply adopt a higher reflex save to accomplish this goal.
* Using yourself to flank an opponent is... interesting. Perhaps we should just toss in the ability to sneak attack constructs and a free greater truedeath crystal for undead while we're at it? Then, hey, we can sneak attack anything, anywhere, any time. I suggest that playing sneakily should be a prerequisite for sneak attack, and that it's not appropriate to start doling out cheap ways to make it usable anywhere. This ability needs deleting.
* Both acrobatic flair and rapid stealth give the thief-acrobat the ability to use skills without penalties for things that are difficult. This is also inappropriate because, again, it is ignoring the already established method for making someone better at something, which is simply the skill itself. If you want to say a thief-acrobat is better at balancing, tumbling, or hiding, then give a bonus to the appropriate skills. Making the skill checks easier for one class is just silly. As it is written just it looks like a way to give a bonus to hide, tumble, balance, etc without making it look as bad on paper to a DM as just saying the thief-acrobat gets a +10 to all those skills. Interesting ways to accomplish the same goal are improved skill synergies (every 5 of one gives a 2 bonus to another), or better yet increasing the maximum ranks you can buy for certain skills. Perhaps while one skill point buys one rank of tumble, you can buy another half a rank with a second skill point. That way for certain skills you get a bonus, but it is balanced by increased skill point cost.
* Shadow-tumble? At level 14 you should have 17 ranks of tumble, plus enough DEX that with a take 10, you should easily get a 30. So unlimited times per day you can just poof yourself 4 squares through solid rock, force effects, doors, etc. Does a prismatic wall even affect this?
* Auto-take 20? That's something that greater deities get. Enough said.

As a player, the choice of one class over another should be a hard one. One where the pros and cons are balanced against your personal play style and RP options. As it is, if I had this and a rogue in front of me, this wins hands down, every time. It is this, more than anything that red-flags this class to me. There are no real cons to this class, and a whole load of pros, from the player perspective.

In fact, this class is a soloists dream. Which is another red flag. It's way too much of a dream. For the cost of a single rank of sneak attack, and the open locks skill (which the same author already advocates rolling into disable device, and this class gets that), you turn a rogue into a one-person army. Don't even need a wizard, because the thief-acrobat can detect magic and use appraise to analyze magic items. Even the holy-grail rogue "use magic device" and "trap sense" abilities are tossed in, making no real cons and further limiting the need for anyone else in the party. Not only is it overpowered, but it will discourage team playing. I wouldn't want to play in a party with this character (unless it was me), and as a DM there is no way I'd allow one.

This class is in serious need of balancing. Several of the abilities need to be stripped completely, and others need per-day limits.
-- [[User:Kurt|Kurt]] 14:05, 28 November 2009 (MST)

:I'm too mentally exhausted to give full credit to your comments (try taking Sedimentary Petrology's final and see what it does to you). However, right now, my assessment is that you're doing a knee-jerk because the class features ''look'' awesome, without actually stopping to think about the mechanics and the context of the levels at which these abilities are gained. It happens to a lot of people when they see a Frank and K class (it was a shock for me, too). When my brain has sufficiently recovered to let me address your posts in full detail, with references to level-appropriate abilities, I shall be happy to do so. Until then, I'm going to rest and make myself a turkey sandwich. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 14:27, 28 November 2009 (MST)

::I apologize for the delay, but I am now ready to roll. So, let's go, shall we?
::* I stand by my previous assessment that you're suffering from a knee-jerk reaction to the shock of seeing something so different, and have yet to actually take a look at how the written mechanics interact with the game. The immunity to reflex saves isn't gamebreaking, nor is the idea unprecedented (which your argument makes it out to be). Having an energy subtype gives you immunity to an entire energy set. As for why it's not gamebreaking: Of effects targeting the three saves, I'd honestly rather get hit by an effect targeting a Reflex save, rather than a fort or will save. Most Reflex-requiring effects do HP damage. Most effects doing HP damage won't actually kill you right off the bat. But failing a Fort save will very probably kill you, and failing a Will save is a ticket to beginning your day with being told, "Good morning, mind slave!"
::* Your objection to the Thief-Acrobat's ability to flank with yourself leads me to believe you didn't actually visualize how it'd work. Or think much about the name being Thief-'''Acrobat'''. The T-A being able to flank with himself encourages a high-mobility combat style which is both interesting and justified by the class's flavor. I'd hardly expect one to stand in one spot across from the Fighter and just repeatedly stab. Also, I hate to break it to you, but some of the non-Core splatbooks ''do'' have abilities to let Sneak Attack target undead or constructs. They can even be put in wands, so a little Use Magic Device could score these for you.
::* In a similar vein, Hiding and Moving Silently both are handled really poorly in the SRD. You seriously expect me to believe than I can only pass unnoticed when I'm in the shadows or have cover? Oh, and, get this: Later on, most things have darkvision, so there aren't any actual shadows for you to use to hide in, unless you're hiding in magical darkness...and magical darkness hurts you, too. Likewise, the penalties get so stiff it's hard to use them when they might otherwise be useful. Also, heck, they're both made more or less useless when the casters get Invisibility and Silence, both of which last for minutes. For the record, both of those are level 2 spells.
::* You're seriously worried about a short-range essentially teleport effect at level 14? No, really: Wizards get Dimension Door at level '''7''', and it has Long Range. It is straight-up better in every way than Shadow Tumble, except it has limited uses a day. Even then, it can be used so many times that, well, the caster is set. When you're level 14, the Wizard has had level 7 spells for an entire level. He can not only teleport, he can cast things like Plane Shift (which can be used to quite literally ''send you to Hell'' if you fail a Will save.) The Wizard also has Finger of Death (he can poke you and kill you if you fail a Fort save). He also has Forcecage. Seriously, Forcecage traditionally shuts down non-casters. All the effects that can counter it are only domain of casters. You can't even use a dispelling weapon it. On the divine side of the level 14 fence, Clerics get things like Holy Word and Destruction. Heck, back at level 7, they were getting Divine Power. You know, the spell that gives the caster BAB equal to his caster level (i.e, same as a martial class of the same level) along with +6 strength? Oh, yeah, the CR 14 monsters are kicking your butt, too. Nalfeshnees get Greater Teleport, at will-- much better effect than the Shadow Tumble.
::* Auto-take 20 is actually pretty appropriate for a class that lives and dies by its skills when it gets so far. If they are honest-to-goodness specializing in using their skills, they should be able to use them reliably. Why tell someone they can do awesome stuff...and then say only in really unlikely circumstances. Also, the official D&D rules for deities make no sense and prove nothing. There's the occasional useful bit, just like in the rest of Epic territory, but the idea that an ability is overpowered because it comes from there does not, on examination, hold water.
::* The class isn't a soloist dream. It does get abilities (rather than numbers), and it does get a degree of reliability early on, trading in the versatility of the SRD Rogue (including skill points and class skills) for being able to regularly handle the thieving and sneaking and scouting--you know, the things sneaky people are traditionally supposed to do.
::There. I have proven that the Thief-Acrobat is not overpowered for any of its levels, nor are any of the mentioned abilities overpowered, and they stick to the theme pretty well. Heck, I have demonstrated that the game is actually full things of outclassing the abilities you have issue with. Some of those things are actually found at much earlier levels than the Thief-Acrobat gets an equivalent effect. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 21:22, 2 December 2009 (MST)

:::Genowhirl is da' real deal! Nuff said. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 11:19, 3 December 2009 (MST)

::::I needed the mental exercise after four days or so of letting my brain rest (i.e, reading, going to work, and grinding on Kingdom Hearts). Also, hey, Kurt, thanks for being so polite in your original analysis. A lot of people would just go, "overpowered warmonger mary sue lol" and leave it at that. You provided some decent reasons for your opinion--reasons that I can sympathize with (I was there once, myself), but that I know don't stand up against the rest of the game. Thanks. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 11:45, 3 December 2009 (MST)

::::You still didn't address the fact that at 20th the T-A is immune to effects requiring a Reflex save. What's the point of even having a Reflex save score by then if you're entirely immune? Having at least a chance to fail makes more sense... [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 18:44, 6 December 2009 (MST)

:::::Actually, I did. By 20th level, you just don't worry about Reflex saves. By then, anything that wants to kill you or take you out can actually do it outright by any number of means (Finger of Death, Wail of the Banshee, Planeshift, Dominate, etc.) that being immune to Reflex saves basically comes up against breath weapons, which don't do that much damage (I think a CR 20 Dragon might be better off using its natural weapons and relying on the fact that it's much bigger and stronger than you are to take you out. I'm not entirely sure; I'd have to check the math). Anyway, the T-A has gotten abilities relating to evasion so far, why worry about it getting an auto-pass on the save which...Well, the save that if you fail, won't actually kill you. It's not a big deal, and it fits the theme of the class and falls in with the progression. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 18:56, 6 December 2009 (MST)

:::::I suppose, but it looks like a huge arbitrary chunk of Iwinium against said damage sources. For instance, it means you could stand ground-zero to a massive epic area-effect spell going off and not feel a scratch. Hell, one million all going off around your body all at once, and nothing happens... If anything was made to slaughter an entire army of warmages, it would be a 20th-level T-A. But hey, it's YOUR class, not mine. Personally, on a failed save, for supreme evasion I might have put "Takes minimal damage (or 10% damage, even) on a failed save". That said, if nobody objects to something like this, then my planned revamp of the Paladin isn't going to have any problems either. All in all, though, it's a good class, and you have made your point. Cheers to a job well done, Genowhirl. Good to see we have great authors sticking around. [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 19:40, 6 December 2009 (MST)

:::::I would, however put sneak attack +1d6 at 3rd level, rather than second so as to not look as front-loaded, and also to make the SA progression look more logically consistent (I have seen a couple S&S classes do this: Bandit & Shadowsworn). [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 19:44, 6 December 2009 (MST)

== Dino's Edits ==

Go against the author's original request, are boring and unimaginative, and subtract from the flavor of the class. Don't make me revert them again. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 21:26, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Overpowered ==

to all dungen masters. if you have been playing for a while, then only a glance woth tell u that this class is way, way to overpowerd. an if not. you have now been officaly warnd. do not let player's plays this class, even when they ask very nicly! cuz you will find it to be a hugh sore on your side, just as i did!! instead cheack out the reviste 3.5 acrobat thif pristige class, on wizards home pages. ( from: angry dungen master) {{unsigned|84.210.43.230}}

:To all dungeon masters: the individual above me clearly has a multitude of issues, both concerning the ability to properly use the English language and the ability to judge balance for 3.5e classes. This class offers a small vertical upgrade over the base rogue. That's it. [[Halfling Hurler (3.5e Optimized Character Build)|Rogues are already flanking without help and dealing fricktons of damage anyway]], and the abilities offered in this class give a rogue more options but don't significantly enhance it's combat capabilities. This is covered somewhat already on this talk page, but making the rogue better at what it was actually intended to do isn't really offering a noticeable damage upgrade, it just makes the damage dealt more consistent on a round-to-round basis, and perhaps makes the rogue a little less squishy (appropriate given the mismatched scaling of BAB and AC). Furthermore, Use Magic Device is one of the biggest reasons rogues are capable in the first place, not their class abilities, so reducing the rogue's dependence on UMD by bringing their class abilities into a similar vein of power only increases the breadth of the rogue's options, not their outright power.

:TL; DR - class is fine, ignore OP. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:44, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
::Hey, in fact, why not do the work of rogue optimization for them! [[User:Atypicaloracle|Atypicaloracle]]

:::There's more truth in that than you'd like there to be. If a class has a shtick (barbarians do melee combat pretty much no matter what, assassins kill one thing at a time, knights defend, monks go for unarmed, etc), they should be able to just bloody well use that shtick. If the shtick isn't that mechanically viable but has a recognized niche in the game (the barbarian's tendency to go toe-to-toe with things larger and stronger than it is comes to mind), it needs some help from the class's features. So, sure, a class -should- have what it need to fulfill expectations, with variety coming from the feats and other choices. If you nail it right, the feats add more versatility/neat tricks than they do vertical power. Meaning you have a strong class but it's hard to significantly increase its power level. But does not contain traps for the unwary. I think we've gone over that before, you and I. --[[User:Genowhirl|Genowhirl]] 23:17, 21 September 2010 (MDT)

Thief-Acrobat (3.5e Class)

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Fire Mage (3.5e Class)

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Metahand (3.5e Prestige Class)

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|imgcaption=Zachary Rist, a metahand
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|rating_flavor= 5
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|status=Complete
|editing=please discuss before editting
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|desc=A metahand is a warrior of unusual standing, who focuses upon honing his prowess in battle with the tools that he is granted, instead of stretching his limits and attempting to master every possible form of fighting.
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|minlvl=7
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==Metahand==

{{quote
|Some people fight the good fight, some people fight the bad fight. What about me you ask? I fight for the sake of fighting.
|orig=Kanten Jaus, [[SRD:Half-Giants (Race)|Half-Giant]] Metahand}}

A metahand is someone who tries to master the art of combat in a way that few ever try realize is possible. Instead of focusing themselves on speed or wielding massive weapons, they focus on using the tools they are granted to the best of their physical ability. To the point that they can kill practically anything with even the weakest tool.

===Becoming a Metahand===

A person who would seek to take levels in metahand is someone who wishes to further his ability in melee combat. A metahand is a master of combat, and is rarely ever outstripped in a given battle. They are calculating warriors who can be found at any location upon the battlefield, filling any role that they could possibly fill.

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! Base Attack Bonus:
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! Saves:
| +5 [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]].
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! Feats:
| [[SRD:Weapon Focus|Weapon Focus (Any)]].
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! Special:
| Must have killed a creature with a [[SRD:Standard Actions#Critical Hits|critical hit]].
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| class="left" | [[#Imparing Strike|Imparing Strike]] ([[Ex]]), [[#Fighters Blood|Fighters Blood]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 2nd || +2 || +3 || +0 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Dice Mastery|Dice Mastery]] (d4)
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 3rd || +3 || +3 || +1 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 4th || +4 || +4 || +1 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Dice Mastery|Dice Mastery]] (d6)
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 5th || +5 || +4 || +1 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Inner Sight|Inner Sight]] ([[Ex]])
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 6th || +6 || +5 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]], [[#Dice Mastery|Dice Mastery]] (d8)
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 7th || +7 || +5 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Maul|Maul]] ([[Ex]])
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 8th || +8 || +6 || +2 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Dice Mastery|Dice Mastery]] (d10)
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 9th || +9 || +6 || +3 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 10th || +10 || +7 || +3 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Checkmate|Checkmate]] ([[Ex]]), [[#Dice Mastery|Dice Mastery]] (d12)
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (2 + [[Int]] modifier per level)''' 
[[SRD:Climb Skill|Climb]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Craft Skill|Craft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Forgery Skill|Forgery]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Intimidate Skill|Intimidate]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Jump Skill|Jump]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Search Skill|Search]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Sense Motive Skill|Sense Motive]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim Skill|Swim]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Tumble Skill|Tumble]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]).
|}

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ {{#anc:Table: The [[SRD:Epic Level Basics|Epic]] Metahand}}
|-
! Level || Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 11th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 12th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 13th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 14th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 15th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 16th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 17th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 18th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feat|Bonus Feat]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 19th|| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 20th|| class="left" |
|}

====Class Features====

All of the following are class features of the Metahand.

'''{{#anc:Imparing Strike}} ([[Ex]]):''' A metahand has [[SRD:Strength|strength]] that few can match, and the [[SRD:Intelligence|intelligence]] to put that [[SRD:Strength|strength]] to good use. A number of times per day equal to the character's level in metahand, a metahand may declare a particular strike he makes (whether or not it be a sneak attack or an attack made as part of a [[SRD:Full-Round Actions#Full Attack|full-round attack option]]) as an imparing strike. If an imparing strike inflicts damage on an opponent, then the target of that attack must make a [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throw (DC 10 + half the metahand's Hit Die + the metahand's [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] modifier) or take an imparement penalty to their [[SRD:Armor Class|AC]] equal to the metahands [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] modifier for a number of rounds equal to the metahands [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] modifier.

'''{{#anc:Fighters Blood}}:''' A characters levels in metahand stack with any levels he may possess in [[SRD:Fighter|fighter]] to determine his [[SRD:Fighter|fighter]] level for the purpose of qualifying for feats. For example, a 7th-level [[SRD:Fighter|fighter]]/3rd-level metahand is considered having 10 levels in [[SRD:Fighter|fighter]] for the purpose of qualifying for feats.

'''{{#anc:Dice Mastery}}:''' A metahand is a man who focuses on dealing as much damage possible, and who learns to do so with unnerving consistancy. Starting at second level, a metahand gains the ability to maximize the roll on a number of d4 a day equal to his [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] modifier × his level in metahand. For example, a character with 3 levels in metahand and [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] 18 could take maximum damage on up to 12 d4 rolls in a single day. A metahand can only maximize a die roll in this way if the die is being rolled to determine the damage of a melee attack. At each even level after second (4th, 6th, 8th, and 10th), the metahand gains the ability to affect a dice of a single size larger (d6 at 4th level, d8 at 6th level, etc.), though, the total of dice he can maximize in this way remains the same.

'''{{#anc:Bonus Feats}}:''' At 3th level, a metahand gets a bonus combat-oriented feat. The metahand gains an additional bonus feat at every three metahand levels thereafter (6th and 9th). These bonus feats must be drawn from the feats noted as [[SRD:Fighter Bonus Feats|fighter bonus feats]]. A metahand must still meet all prerequisites for a bonus feat, including ability score and base attack bonus minimums.

'''{{#anc:Inner Sight}} ([[Ex]]):''' Metahands are masters of the battlefield, and can almost feel their enemies coming at them. At fifth level, a metahand gains the ability to add 1 point of [[SRD:Intelligence|Intelligence]] bonus (if any) per metahand [[SRD:Class|class]] level to his [[SRD:Armor Class|AC]] in the form of an insight bonus.

'''{{#anc:Maul}} ([[Ex]]):''' A metahand is a master of decimating his foes in as little time as he possibly can. At seventh level, a metahand gains the ability to make all damage over all attacks made by him in a single round be considered to be a single attack for purposes of [[SRD:Damage Reduction|damage reduction]], [[SRD:Loss of Hit Points#Massive Damage|massive damage]] or any effect dependant on damage per attack.

'''{{#anc:Checkmate}} ([[Ex]]):''' A metahands prowess upon the battlefield is rarely ever matched, and it seems at times that a metahand's weapons seek out their target of their own accord, becoming almost impossible to dodge. At tenth level, a metahand gains the ability to automatically confirm any [[SRD:Standard Actions#Critical Hits|critical threat]] that he rolls.

The epic Metahand gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic metahand feats) at 12th level, and every 3 levels after after 12th level.

''Epic Metahand Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Armor Skin|Armor Skin]], [[SRD:Combat Archery|Combat Archery]], [[SRD:Damage Reduction|Damage Reduction]], [[SRD:Devastating Critical|Devastating Critical]], [[SRD:Dire Charge|Dire Charge]], [[SRD:Distant Shot|Distant Shot]], [[SRD:Energy Resistance|Energy Resistance]], [[SRD:Epic Leadership|Epic Leadership]], [[SRD:Epic Prowess|Epic Prowess]], [[SRD:Epic Toughness|Epic Toughness]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Focus|Epic Weapon Focus]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Specialization|Epic Weapon Specialization]], [[SRD:Improved Combat Reflexes|Improved Combat Reflexes]], [[SRD:Improved Manyshot|Improved Manyshot]], [[SRD:Instant Reload|Instant Reload]], [[SRD:Overwhelming Critical|Overwhelming Critical]], [[SRD:Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting|Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting]], [[SRD:Reflect Arrows|Reflect Arrows]], [[SRD:Spellcasting Harrier|Spellcasting Harrier]], [[SRD:Storm of Throws|Storm of Throws]], [[SRD:Superior Initiative|Superior Initiative]], [[SRD:Swarm of Arrows|Swarm of Arrows]], [[SRD:Two-Weapon Rend|Two-Weapon Rend]], [[SRD:Uncanny Accuracy|Uncanny Accuracy]].

===Campaign Information===

====Playing a Metahand====

'''Combat:''' Metahands are truly, very versatile warriors, and can fill many rolls upon the battlefield, from the agressive knight who seeks to decimate his foes quickly and without mercy, to the calm, collected assassin who sweeps in, strikes a blow that few could bare to witness, and drops off again, into the darkness. Metahands are truly, very maleable in a battle, though they almost always reserve themselves for hand to hand, believing it to be the only true way to fight.

'''Advancement:''' More often than not, it is in the characters best interest to continue taking levels in metahand, though, should they seek to take levels in other classes, they have many paths open to them. For example, a metahand who has a paticular love for the location where he grew up, or enjoys travelling, may seek to take levels in [[SRD:Horizon Walker|horizon walker]] to allow himself to become more adept at fighting across many places. On the other hand, a metahand may seek to take levels in [[SRD:Assassin|assassin]], and allow himself to become even more adept at the art of killing.

'''Resources:''' Metahands are a rare breed of warriors. They are usually found on the road, never staying in one place for very long. Though, should a metahand ever actually manage to find another one of his kind, then they will almost always strike up a friendship on the spot, for the ways that a person follows to become a metahand tend to make that metahand begin to think a certain way.

====Metahands in the World====

{{quote|You will remember me, you will all remember me.|orig=Alton Szűcs, [[SRD:Humans (Race)|Human]] Metahand}}

A metahand can be found anywhere in the world that their journeys take them. They are usually drawn towards places that are prone to battle, so that they may test their prowess upon warriors who have fought in battles in the past. Some metahands are calm and steady individuals, who seek to protect their home at all costs, and rarely ever leave for journeys, as other people might.

'''NPC Reactions:''' To the average NPC, a metahand will appear similar to any other warrior, given they may seem more intellgent than other warriors, though, this is only gleaned after the NPC has spoken to the metahand for a while. Upon the battlefield, an NPC may see a metahand as an unusual threat, and may not know quite how to approach him in battle.

====Metahand Lore====

Characters with ranks in [[SRD:Gather Information Skill|gather information]] can research metahands to learn more about them. When a character makes a skill check, read or paraphrase the following, including information from lower DCs.

{| class="d20" {{#vardefine: odd | 0}}
|+ [[SRD:Gather Information Skill|Gather Information]]
! DC || class="left" | Result
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 11 || class="left" | A metahand is a warrior.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 16 || class="left" | A metahand is someone who seeks to master combat in uncommon ways.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 21 || class="left" | Metahands are very intelligent most of the time.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 26 || class="left" | A person who manages this level of success can learn the name and whereabouts of a specific metahand.
|}

====Metahands in the Game====

Metahands are masters of combat. They fight, most often, purely for the sake of testing their prowess upon the battlefield. While this is true, there are times when a person will seek out the path of the metahand for the another purpose, whether it be for strength to protect those dear to them, or for the ability to seek revenge upon someone, and actually manage to get it. Truly, metahands have no set place in the world.

'''Adaptation:''' While metahands normally lack a preset place in the world, some campaigns may need them to have one, so that the campaign may move along smoothly. For example, in a campaign where everyone in the world is enslaved, and no one, except for the rich, may do as they see fit, a metahand could arise, from a military training camp, where children are taught how to fight and kill. On the other hand, in a world where melee combat is viewed as obsolete and barbaric, a metahand could be one who is in touch with nature, driving back the arcane casters and their false forms of battle.

'''Sample Encounter:''' Irayura Tohi was a strange child growing up. He never ran with the herd, instead wandering through the forest of his own volition. He never took to the courting frenzy that gripped some of the other stallions, nor did he seem to care too much for the opposite sex. After a time, he actually left the herd, beginning to wander across the wilderness far beyond his old territory. During this time in his life, he climbed mountains, plunged deep into caves, made friends, and fought many foes. One day, he was exploring the tomb of some long forgotten king, and he found something. There was an altar with a scythe upon it, and the blade of the scythe glowed with white hot energy, never dying out, never even dimming. He lifted this weapon from its resting place, dust falling from it as he did so, and swung it once, twice, three times. For some reason, this beautiful weapon seemed to call out to him, and so he decided to keep it, throwing it onto his back. Then he noticed something, upon the alter that he had taken the weapon from, were words. They looked like instructions of some kind. He stood there for a long time, reading every passage he could find written upon the altar, little did he know, that he was reading the notes of the king who was buried here, the only instructions ever written to becoming a metahand. Soon he left the tomb, his mind heavy with knowledge of unusual ways of fighting, and went on his way. Today he still wanders across the world, though, since he found that altar, he has yet to meet an opponent who can match him in battle.

''EL 18:'' {{:Irayura Tohi (3.5e NPC)}}

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Samurai 2 (3.5e Class)

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:''This page details a derivative of the [[Samurai (3.5e Class)|Tome Samurai]]. You may be looking for the Samurai found in the [[Complete Warrior]].''
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==Samurai2==</noinclude><includeonly>===Samurai2===</includeonly>
{{quote|My ancestors had words for people who would do such a thing. They were not nice words.}}

The war torn countrysides of many a land are held together with tremendous amounts of dedicated work by masters of weaponry and honor. These martial specialists represent the structure of society by their very existence, and beat the living crap out of any who would dare to stand against it.

At least, that's the idea. In truth, there are those who take upon the mantle of the Samurai only to betray its ideals. Those who trample the fabric of the social network they are supposedly sworn to protect.

<noinclude>===Making a Samurai===</noinclude><includeonly>====Making a Samurai====</includeonly>

With your peculiar set of abilities, you are the anti-tank gun. With your Kiai! ability, you are practically gauranteed to win personal combat--as long as you have uses of it left. As you gain Samurai levels, you gain more abilities which negate defenses, allowing you to, for example, demolish the formerly-invulnerable Wall of Force and escape the mighty Forcecage. Your ability to commune with the dead gives you something to do when you're trying to find out where to go next. Your armor and HP are relatively fragile, making you something of a glass cannon--nonetheless, you will be able to reave your way through crowds of opponents, and no matter what your opponent is, you will eventually be able to hurt it.

'''Alignment:''' The Samurai can be of any alignment. All of them must maintain the veneer of honor and civility, though there is no reason that they have to actually be Lawful.

'''Races:''' The Samurai is primarily found in societies where the law of the land is held in primacy over other things. So while a Samurai himself does not have to be Lawful, Lawful races bear the vast majority of Samurai.

'''Starting Gold:''' 4d6x10 gp (140 gold), plus one [[SRD:Masterwork Weapons|masterwork weapon]].

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' As [[SRD:Fighter|Fighter]].

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Samurai}}</div>
Hit Die: d8
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s
! rowspan="2" | Special
|-
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|1st|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +2
| class="left" | [[#Ancestral Weaponry|Ancestral Weaponry]], [[#Pledge of Loyalty|Pledge of Loyalty]] bonus feat.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|2nd|| class="left" | +2 || +0 || +0 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Horde Breaker|Horde Breaker]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +3
| class="left" | [[#Kiai!|Kiai!]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +1 || +1 || +4
| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +1 || +1 || +4
| class="left" | [[#Ancestral Guidance|Ancestral Guidance]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Blindfighting|Blindfighting]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +2 || +2 || +5
| class="left" | [[#Iaijutsu|Iaijutsu]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +2 || +2 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Parry Magic|Parry Magic]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +3 || +3 || +6
| class="left" | [[#Subtle Cut|Subtle Cut]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +3 || +3 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Blade of Devastation|Blade of Devastation]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+6 || +3 || +3 || +7
| class="left" | [[#Iaijutsu Focus|Iaijutsu Focus]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+7 || +4 || +4 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Cut Magic|Cut Magic]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+8 || +4 || +4 || +8
| class="left" | [[#Deny Caster Defenses|Deny Caster Defenses]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+9 || +4 || +4 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Final Cut|Final Cut]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+10 || +5 || +5 || +9
| class="left" | [[#Iaijutsu Master|Iaijutsu Master]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+11/+11 || +5 || +5 || +10
| class="left" | [[#Reflect Magic|Reflect Magic]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+12/+12 || +5 || +5 || +10
| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+13/+13 || +6 || +6 || +11
| class="left" | [[#Deny Armor|Deny Armor]]
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+14/+14 || +6 || +6 || +11
| class="left" |
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+15/+15 || +6 || +6 || +12
| class="left" | [[#Iaijutsu Grandmaster|Iaijutsu Grandmaster]]
|}
'''Class Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
[[SRD:Balance|Balance]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Climb|Climb]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration|Concentration]] ([[Con]]), [[SRD:Craft|Craft]] ([[Int]]), [[SRD:Diplomacy|Diplomacy]] ([[Cha]]), [[SRD:Escape Artist|Escape Artist]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Hide|Hide]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Jump|Jump]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Knowledge|Knowledge]] (all skills individually) ([[Int]]), [[SRD:Listen|Listen]] ([[Wis]]), [[SRD:Move Silently|Move Silently]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Perform|Perform]] ([[Cha]]), [[SRD:Profession|Profession]] ([[Wis]]), [[SRD:Sense Motive|Sense Motive]] ([[Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim|Swim]] ([[Str]]), and [[SRD:Tumble|Tumble]] ([[Dex]]).

<noinclude>====Class Features====</noinclude><includeonly>=====Class Features=====</includeonly>

All of the following are class features of the Samurai.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' Samurai are proficient with all simple and martial weapons, as well as a single exotic weapon appropriate to the Samurai's tradition. Samurai are proficient with light and medium Armor, but not with shields of any kind.

'''{{#anc:Ancestral Weaponry}}:''' Every culture with a Samurai tradition has a signature weapon that Samurai from that culture use. Whether it is the [[SRD:Spiked Chain|Spiked Chain]] of the Hobgoblin Khanate of Khadun or the Katana of the Human Empire of Rokugan, the weapon serves as a symbol of the office and prowess of the Samurai.

A samurai can only have one weapon designated as his Ancestral Weapon at a time, and this weapon must be a [[SRD:Masterwork Weapons|masterwork weapon]] exalted by the Samurai's warrior culture. He must perform a 24 hour ritual to call his ancestral spirits into the weapon and designate it as his Ancestral Weapon. This ritual costs 100 gp in incense and offerings, and once performed grants the following abilities:

*Counts as his Ancestral Weapon for all Samurai abilities.
*Has a minimum enhancement bonus to attack and damage equal to his level divided by two (maximum of +10 for a samurai of 20th level or lower).
*The Ancestral weapon has double HPs and +10 [[SRD:Breaking and Entering#Hardness|Hardness]], and has the [[SRD:Ghost Touch (Weapon Enhancement)|Ghost Touch]] special property.
*For every 5 kills with his Ancestral Weapon, the Samurai receives 2d8+4 of health back.

:''Example: Bandy Humaido is a halfling samurai, and his people greatly extort the halfling skiprock as a weapon of war – but because the skiprock is thrown weapon ammunition, it is inappropriate as an Ancestral Weapon (which, of course, you could only have one of). As such, Bandy instead draws the power of his ancestors into a short sword.''

'''{{#anc:Pledge of Loyalty}}:''' Samurai pledge their loyalty to a Lord, a figure of temporal power and head of a noble family or clan. To retain this Lord, they must follow this Lord's orders and uphold any Code of Conduct the Lord obeys. As long as a Samurai does these two things, he cannot be forced to act against his Lord or Lord's family by mind-affecting effects.

Samurai who have broken their vows to their lord are called ronin, while samurai who have never been pledged to a lord or are unwilling to do so are weaponmasters called kensai, sword saints, or simply "master swordsman" or other descriptive title. Regardless of their name, Samurai without a Lord receive a +4 bonus against mind-affecting effects.

'''{{#anc:Horde Breaker}}:''' A Samurai gains [[Horde Breaker (DnD Feat)|Horde Breaker]] as a bonus feat at 2nd level. If the Samurai already has this feat, he may choose a [[Tome Combat Feats|Combat Feat]] instead, but only if he meets the prerequisites of that feat.

'''{{#anc:Kiai!}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 3rd level, a Samurai may convert a successful strike into a confirmed [[SRD:Critical Hit|critical hit]]. He may use this ability a number of times per day equal to his half his Samurai level + 3. This ability is a free action that is declared after the strike is rolled and confirmed as a hit, but before damage is rolled. This ability cannot be used on [[SRD:Attacks of Opportunity|Attacks of Opportunity]].

'''''{{#anc:Ancestral Guidance}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' At 5th level, a Samurai may seek guidance from his ancestors. This counts as a ''[[SRD:Commune|commune]]'' effect that can be used once a day. A samurai can also seek guidance from other peoples' ancestors if they are available. This works like a ''[[SRD:Speak with Dead|speak with dead]]'' effect that may be used once per day.

'''{{#anc:Blindfighting}}:''' A Samurai gains [[Blind Fighting (DnD Feat)|Blind Fighting]] as a bonus feat at 6th level. If the Samurai already has this feat, he may choose a [[Tome Combat Feats|Combat Feat instead]], but only if he meets the prerequisites of that feat.

'''{{#anc:Iaijutsu}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' When a 7th level Samurai has the [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)#Advanced Combat|Edge]] on an opponent, he may take an [[SRD:Attack of Opportunity|Attack of Opportunity]] against that opponent as an [[SRD:Immediate Actions|immediate action]] when ever the opponent tries to move, even a 5ft step, and once per turn in general.
example: Lasserine, a Kensai Samurai, takes an Attack of Opportunity to make an attack when she normally could not. such as an extra at the end or start of a Full Attack, or after a full movement. Then in addition, her target tries to take a 5ft step, she may then make another attack of opportunity. All this, so long as she has the Edge.

'''{{#anc:Parry Magic}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 8th level, a Samurai may use his Ancestral Weapon to parry magic targeted at him. When the Samurai is targeted by a spell or supernatural ability, he may take an [[SRD:Attack of Opportunity]] against the [[SRD:Aiming a Spell (Spell Descriptor)|targeted]] effect. If he can make an attack roll against an AC equal to the spell or effect's DC with this Attack of Opportunity, the effect does not affect him.

'''{{#anc:Subtle Cut}}:''' A Samurai gains [[Subtle_cut|Subtle Cut]] as a bonus feat at 9th level. If the Samurai already has this feat, he may choose another [[Tome Combat Feats|Combat Feat]] instead, but only if he meets the prerequisites of that feat.

'''{{#anc:Blade of Devastation}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 10th level, the Samurai may attack enemies within his reach through objects and walls, his Ancestral Weapon automatically destroying any unattended object or wall in the way with a [[SRD:Breaking and Entering#Hardness|Hardness]] less than 20. As a result, enemies do not gain cover bonuses against an attacking Samurai. This effect can also pierce [[SRD:Force Effect|force effects]].

As a standard action, he can also destroy unattended objects of any Hardness with a successful Ancestral weapon attack, or dispel up to a 10' by 10' section of a [force] effect.

'''{{#anc:Iaijutsu Focus}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 11th level, a Samurai may make up to his per round limit of [[SRD:Attacks of Opportunity|Attacks of Opportunity]] against any opponent(s) that he threatens as an [[SRD:Immediate Actions|immediate action]].

'''{{#anc:Cut Magic}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 12th level, a Samurai may attack ongoing spell effects by attacking the square they are in for [[SRD:Aiming a Spell (Spell Descriptor)|Area of Effect]] effects or the object or person for [[SRD:Aiming a Spell (Spell Descriptor)|targeted]] effects (which does damage as normal to the object or person). This attack is handled like the Samurai's [[#Parry Magic|Parry Magic]] ability, but it only dispels a 10' by 10' section of an Area of Effect spell or spell-like ability.

'''{{#anc:Deny Caster Defenses}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 13th level, a Samurai attacking with his Ancestral Weapon ignores any AC bonuses on his targets that come from spells or spell-like abilities.

'''{{#anc:Final Cut}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 14th level, a Samurai's Ancestral Weapon gains the Vorpal special quality, even if it is not a slashing weapon.

'''{{#anc:Iaijutsu Master}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 15th level, any enemy struck by a Samurai's [[SRD:Attacks of Opportunity|Attacks of Opportunity]] must make a Fortitude save against a DC equal to 10 + {{1/2}} the Samurai's HD + the Samurai's Wisdom bonus or be [[SRD:Dazed|dazed]] for one round. A successful save against this effect makes the enemy immune to this effect for five rounds.

'''{{#anc:Reflect Magic}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 16th level, an spell effect that would be dispelled by a successful use of the Samurai's [[#Parry Magic|Parry Magic]] ability can instead be reflected back on the caster, as per a ''[[SRD:Spell Turning|spell turning]]'' effect.

'''{{#anc:Deny Armor}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' At 18th level, a Samurai attacking with his Ancestral Weapon ignores any AC bonuses on his targets that come from [[SRD:Armor Bonus|armor]] or [[SRD:Natural Armor|natural armor]].

'''{{#anc:Iaijutsu Grandmaster}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' At 20th level, any [[SRD:Attack of Opportunity|Attack of Opportunity]] made by the Samurai is automatically a [[SRD:Critical Hit|confirmed critical hit]].

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