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== MoI ==

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i can't rate dragonblooded!

==Media Wiki Update==
Are there any particular coding differences we should be aware of with the new update?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:44, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

:Not that I'm aware of yet. A few things still haven't been worked out yet, but overall coding should remain [roughly] the same. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 04:56, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== serious lag, and errors when searching. ==

Since D&D wiki has updated to using sphinx to search, I have experienced repeated erors in searches. It said to report any problems at the top of the page, so that's what I am doing.

:Can you please let me know what kind of errors you are experiencing? Are you not happy with the relevancy of the searches or are there frequent technical errors? — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 04:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

==URL==
Whenever I try to go to Dandwiki.com through my URL I get an error page yet whenever I Google Dandwiki I can use the link to get here.

:Make sure you're typing in '''www.dandwiki.com''' and not www.dan'''d'''dwiki.com. The word "and" is actually not completed, so the url reads D an D wiki, not D and D wiki. You wrote it correctly here but just make sure you aren't doing that when typing it in.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 04:03, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

::Both url's work. We have both domains of dandwiki.com and danddwiki.com (it was kept at dandwiki.com for searching reasons). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:38, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

:::This should be fixed now for the upgrade. Thanks for the bug report. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 04:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== Pooka 4e Race ==

Having just finished the write-up for the 4e Pooka race, I was unaware that there was already a 3.5e Pooka race here. Would it be at all possible to have the name of the new race changed to 'Pooka (4E Race)' instead of just 'Pooka', so as not to get them mixed up?

Incidentally, is there anything you feel could improve the write-up?

== DLPC ==

All of the 3.5e feats are incorrectly formatted due to DLPC no longer being a proper function.
On top of this It looks like properties aren't working properly either, but this could just be the dlpc not working. Either way there are some affected templates, and fixing the template will fix this issue, but most likely the DLPC can no longer be used for sorting. I'm unsure how this affects the rest of the site. - [[User:Sleaker|Sleaker]] 23:00, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

== Questions ==

Hello,

1) I have submitted an item that didn't show up (Thrillseeker base class)Additionally my friends have submitted classes some of which have been published and some which has not, they can not figure out why either. His contributions were Legend of the Swamp, and Ambassador of Slime.
AND
2) When I look at all the prestige classes, it stops at S.. and there is no link to go to the second page or see the rest of the prestige classes.
AND
3) This site is very cool and very needed, for the 3.5 community that didn't make the switch. Thank you.

== Captcha ==

Hello. I was just wondering. I understand how the new captcha can help keep down on spam and vandalism and bots, but its also really annoying. Everytime you change or add a interwiki link from one article to another it registers it as a outgoing off-site link and forces a captcha. Can the program be altered to only do that for off-site wikis and not interwiki links? I'm going to hold off on continuing the removal of double redirects until someone can answer this, as its just too annoying.

Additionally, have I missed the button or is the MOI feature gone?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 00:04, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

== Uploading creature images ==

I cannot seem to upload image files for a new creature. It says I need to be logged in even if I already am. It says:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

(SQL query hidden)

from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'ddmediadb'@'localhost' for table 'wdd_user' (localhost)".

== Problem ==

This keeps happening when I try logging on.

Database error
From D&D Wiki Media
Jump to: navigation, search
A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'ddmediadb'@'localhost' for table 'wdd_user' (localhost)".
Retrieved from "http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:UserLogin"--[[Special:Contributions/69.144.80.54|69.144.80.54]] 23:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

== Wizard's on you'r a$$? ==

What's up? a lot of stuff I used to access I can't anymore. Such as weapon magic/creation rules.

Also gonna post my firearm rules for D&D 3.5

Later Phill

:See [[SRD:Creating Magic Items]]. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 03:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

== Spell page problems ==
The Aiming a Spell line (target/targets/area/effect) on the spell pages (see [[SRD:Heal|Heal]]) is broken. —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 13:32, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I fixed the template to not use VariablesExtension (which is broken).—[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:33, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Could you look at my 4e race and critique, please? ==

== 4e Race Elf, Gray ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Elf, Gray (4e Race)#Comments]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== tavern ==

Will you ever bring it back?

I used to love going in there and chatting with every one about all the D&D related issues i was having as a new DM. Now that it is gone I feel that a small piece of my self as left aswell.

please send your reply to my email backdizzy11@hotmail.com as im not sure when i will next log in here.

== Category ==

Should this really have the "race" category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:34, 25 December 2010 (MST)

== Welcome back ==

Welcome back? I haven't seen you active recently, and just wanted to wave.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 08:37, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

:He's been around. Still, though, he doesn't do what you would consider typical administrative work (more developmental things) and that may be why you have not seen him. But, he's actually really been helping out a lot with the development of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:27, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks! '''waves back''' — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:07, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

== recaptcha at the media wiki ==

Hi BD, can you update the recaptcha at the media wiki too? The newer one seems a bit better, and the spam over there is pretty bad. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:31, 22 May 2012 (MDT)

== Barnstar ==

{{Barnstar|I give you this barnstar for merging D&D Wiki Media Repository into D&D Wiki. Thanks for consolidating files and user accounts. Thanks for preserving the file's histories. Thanks for removing the spam that D&D Wiki Media Repository housed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2012 (MDT)}}

Thanks! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:46, 27 May 2012 (MDT)
:Phew, that halves my workload, cool. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:51, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== spaaaam ==

I'm deleting about two New Page spams per day, so whatever captcha we're using has been cracked. Time to change to a different one? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:17, 19 March 2013 (MDT)

:Thanks for letting me know. I'm going to try Asirra again---hopefully there won't be too many compatibility issues for people. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:55, 19 March 2013 (MDT)

== errors ==

Hi BD - I often get an error message beginning "A database error has occurred. Did you forget to run maintenance/update.php after upgrading? See: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Upgrading#Run_the_update_script" when moving or deleting pages. Any ideas? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 06:44, 21 March 2013 (MDT)

:Thanks for bringing this to my attention. The recent 1.19.4 update I must have missed running the update script for. Please let me know if it happens again :) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:49, 21 March 2013 (MDT)

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

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Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[3.5e Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::The recent overhaul of the [[3.5e_Feats|Feats]] page should fix the tables on most of the pages. There only pages that still need to be updated are [[3.5e_Racial_Feats|Racial Feats]], [[DnD_The_Gift_Feats|The Gift Feats]], and the [[3.5e_Class_Feats|Class Feats']] and [[3.5e_Fighter_Feats|Fighter Feats']] sub-pages. --[[User:Salasay|Salasay Δ]] 11:29, 17 January 2013 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::{{Warning/Text}} [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:28, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

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{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::It will be so cool if that works - I can devote more time to making content instead of trawling Recent Changes for spam. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 09:56, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::Okay, so, this morning I check the Recent Changes and normally there's half a dozen bits of spam to remove. Today - nothing, all clean! Nice one Blue Dragon, high-fives all round. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2012 (MDT)
::::::::Wow, that's great news! Of course, it's an arms race... so I'll keep any more tricks in the bag for now. Please let me know if it starts up again, and I don't notice. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:32, 20 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
:I also Submitted a new Deity [[Karura (3.5e Deity) | Karura]] in the [[3.5e Greater Deities | 3.5e Greater Deities]] Page and it did not show up at all... I was also wondering if you could take a look at it when you have time... --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

== Magic missle stormer ==

Hello i was lookin at the featured article and was wondering if there was a way to convert this to 4th ed while still keeping the same concept. i am new to d&d and have tried to look into it on my own with lilmited luck. the problem im having is that some of the feats dont seem to exist anymore in 4th edition i am using the path guy character creator so that might be my problem as well but any help you could give would be awesome.

k so im dumb my email to send me any kind of feed back is anthony.yokum1@us.army.mil that prob would have been helpful in the last message.

:[[Talk:Magic_Missile_Stormer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)#4e]]! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:46, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

::The idea of the [[Magic Missile Stormer (3.5e Optimized Character Build)|Magic Missile Stormer]] is possible in 4e, but actually considering it an optimization may be a stretch. See above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 10:32, 21 August 2012 (MDT)

== Disturbing news about [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)/Chapter 5: Equipment/4e Upgrades]] ==

I found something disturbing in the above link. Apparently it is a ''Candidate for Deletion''. May I ask why? Also, has someone been going through the stuff that was in there and deleting everything from the Heroic Tier section? I don't want anyone deleting ANYTHING in D&D 4.0 Future unless I state that I want it deleted. You know what else that I find disturbing? There isn't even a "Delete" template shown on there. Is this an attempt to delete stuff behind my back? I want answers. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:10, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:I understand what happened now. I double checked what was to be deleted. Turns out it was a redirect. I apologize for jumping off the handle on that. Still though, I don't want anything to be deleted from D&D 4.0 Future without my consent. D&D 4.0 Future is a big project and a little overwhelming. -[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 16:13, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

::I hope the best for your edits as well. Unfortunately, the reviewing, removing, and improving templates do not care about authorship (they look at pages). If something has been incorrectly flagged, feel free to correct the situation though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:23, 23 August 2012 (MDT)

:::I want to interject here to clarify that it's not appropriate to remove deletion tags from your own page, even if you think it wasn't appropriately added (most authors tend to think the tags are improperly added, so if we just went off of what they said nothing on this site would ever be improved). The proper procedure is to post on the talk page explaining why you believe the tag should be removed. When the mod goes through to check deletion candidates he will read and responses and decide from there whether or not the page should be deleted.

:::Secondly, if you are going to get so upset by the mere suggestion that someone will delete something you wrote, this is probably not the rite place for you. It has been said time and time again that once you post something here you relinquish control, and it can be "edited mercilessly" -- up to and including deletion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

::::One problem is that your Future pages have the 4e category, so are listed on all the 4e indexes. When I (or anyone else) review the quality/balance of these pages, we're not necessarily going to notice that it's for your sourcebook (which uses mechanics not compatible with vanilla 4e - attack/defense scales, damage types, and so on). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:31, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

:::::Also, I should have mentioned that what I said above is for the majority of the processes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:06, 25 August 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Catagories ==

Just got 2 Quick Questions:

I was wondering if there is a section for Weapon Crystals or Armor Crystals? The kind that is listed in [[Magic Item Compendium (3.5e) | Magic Item Compendium]]...

I was also was wondering if there is a section for Intelligent Items?

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 19:04, 6 September 2012 (MDT)

== "Internal Error" when trying to edit talk page. ==

Hi GD, do you get an "internal error" message if you try to edit then save [[Talk:Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)]] ? Preview works. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:46, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

:I had the same problem. I think something in the text is triggering the spam filter. I could save the page if I blanked the whole thing, so it's got to be something in the text and not the page itself. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:03, 8 September 2012 (MDT)

== Half-forged ==

Hello sorry for modifying your half forged template w/out permission but after reading the message board most ppl were more interested in spellborg so i took the liberty of balancing and tweaking a couple of stats and making it to the best of my ability " d&d standards" ty for making the half forged templat

P.s. im not even sure if im talkin to the right person but hopefully i am .

== Question on format ==

I haven't heard back from JazzMan, so I thought you'd be next in line for me to ask. Where can I find D20 Modern creature, occupation, equipment, race, and vehicle templates?--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 06:24, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

:At their respetive preload locations. Go to pages like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Add_a_New_D20M_Creature&action=edit these] and go to the "preload" page. E.g. [[d20 Modern Creature Preload]]. Edit the preload to get the information that you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:12, 13 September 2012 (MDT)

== Help moving a page ==

How do I move a page? I need to move the Fallout Vehicle page to under the Fallout Equipment page.--[[User:Joba Tett|Joba Tett]] ([[User talk:Joba Tett|talk]]) 13:05, 18 September 2012 (MDT)

== Putting out as far as I can! ==

Hi green dragon, I had posted this also on Badgers page, but I wanted to put it somewhere else to make sure others would get to it just in case.

"Hi badger, I'm sure this happens a lot but I just pulled your name first from the Admin list, hoping to get someone to talk to. Anyway, my question was aimed towards the lack of content that exists for 3.5 and has not been posted. While I understand that a lot of classes are not core, Psion as well as its including features are listed, and so I thought I might request to put up more classes, such as from the Magic of Incarnum book, or the Complete Warrior, Divine, Ect. I would love to punch in as much time as needed to get this done. My players love this wiki and I have no time to go fishing for spells in countless books. Please let me know. Thanks :) "

Feel free to email me back at aleadbrick@gmail.com
:I'll jump in here. We appreciate your enthusiasm, but for copyright reasons we cannot reprint WoTC material that is not in the System Reference Document.[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35] Your energy would be best spent helping us [[Meta Pages|improve what's already here]].[[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:48, 3 October 2012 (MDT)

== Feedback please! ==

I've been very busy at the Wikia version of this site, only to find that nobody's there. So I decided to pack up and relocate my ideas here so I could get some feedback on them. Could you please take a look at what I've got? Thanks. --[[User:Luigifan18|Luigifan18]] ([[User talk:Luigifan18|talk]]) 19:11, 13 October 2012 (MDT)

:First off please remove [[Template:Author]] from your pages. Your contributions are linked to your account and to pages' histories (see their history tab). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:56, 15 October 2012 (MDT)

::Are we best of deleting that template? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:35, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

:::Yes, along with the variations that are floating around. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 08:51, 16 October 2012 (MDT)

== Noticed something that could use some editing ==

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Master is the link to your guys page which i realized inst fully published and finalized and i noticed a few errors with it, under the first ability/feat or whatever you get weapon study doesnt exist. You can actually find the weapon master prestige class in Sword & Fist Page 39 and weapon study isnt in there and its also a D10 character to verify that part under the status at the top. Also i noticed this http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Weapon_Mastery_(3.5e_Feat) has not been completed and id like to point out the information for that can be found in Player Handbook 2 Page 81. Thats pretty much all i have found for now. As a disclaimer im just trying to help and make some possible adjustments. I in no way am giving permission to copy any of the information from the books but trying to help the site become as accurate with there information as possible.
:It seems the page was copied straight out of Sword & Fist, and therefore a copyright violation. Thank-you for pointing this out, it has now been removed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 04:40, 17 October 2012 (MDT)

== Looking to help out ==

Hey, I just got back into my account on this site to work on my Campaign Setting and I'd really like to help out with editing and cleaning up the site, I've always loved it as a resource! Also I'd like to eventually apply for admin so I figured I'd start working now. What pages need the most help? --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (MST)

:I would take a look at the [[To-Do List]] as well as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing Article templates]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 19:30, 14 November 2012 (MST)

::Wow, there are just an astonishing amount of articles that need to be fleshed out. I think I'm going to start on the to-do list but is there some system for deleting pages that go to long as a stub? Because that list is incredibly immense. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:41, 14 November 2012 (MST) Right so I'm diving into 'Make sure all creatures that do not have an image have Template:ImageNeeded present.' tasker for now - just going to go top down on all the more mechanical tasks. I'll keep you posted. --[[User:Ixidor|Ixidor]] ([[User talk:Ixidor|talk]]) 20:47, 14 November 2012 (MST)

== Relocation request ==

I've made a trait (Living Balloon, 3.5, link [[Living Balloon (3.5e Trait)|here]], and on hindsight I figure it would make a better template. Could you help me make the transfer, or should I delete the trait page and start afresh on the template?

:Just move the page (top bar). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 22:31, 16 November 2012 (MST)

==Weirdness==
Hey Green Dragon, I am not sure exactly how, but someone left my signature on a very low rating for the [[Zen Archer (3.5e Class)]] page. The Siggy is legit, with a time stamp and everything. I am worried that it may have been one of the anonymous users who tried to change my [[Shaolin Monk (3.5e Prestige Class)]] page. I confess that I am a little shaken up. Thank you for your time and attention to this matter. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 10:59, 21 December 2012 (MST)
:Possible bug? The ratings were left by IP 76.114.18.20 who left 4 tildes to sign. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=prev&oldid=590240] The tildes didn't get translated to a signature until several edits later when Raweno created a new section [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Zen_Archer_(3.5e_Class)&diff=next&oldid=601322]. Wierd. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:16, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::Very. But at least it's probably innocent weird. Thanks bro'.--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 12:17, 21 December 2012 (MST)

:::If you un-comment out someone's edit and then save with that signature stamp, it will then stamp your signature. Just remove the unstamped signatures from that point and add {{tl|Unsigned}}. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:28, 21 December 2012 (MST)
::::Cool. I think that it looks right, but if you haven't guessed yet, I am massively incompetent, so you might take a look. Thanks a bunch Green Dragon!--[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] ([[User talk:Raweno|talk]]) 18:11, 21 December 2012 (MST)

== Wiki theme ==

Hi. I really, really love this wiki theme. I've been messing with different ones on the private site I use for my play-by-post game, but the canned ones out there just aren't quite doing it for me. Did you start from scratch with this theme, or did you build it on top of one of the commonly available ones?

:See also [[D&D Wiki:About]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:01, 20 January 2013 (MST)

== Request ==

You can change my user name from '''Rouge Luffy''' to '''Rogue Luffy'''? (It was grammer mistake).
[[User talk:Rouge Luffy|Rouge Luffy talk]] 13:13, 14 January 2013 (MST)

:It's spelled "grammar," bro. Furthermore, the mistake in question, like the one highlighted here, was a spelling error. Good day to you, sir. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 20:10, 15 January 2013 (MST)

::I would contact [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 13:01, 20 January 2013 (MST)

:::I went ahead and changed your username in the database and moved your talk page. Any references in wiki text itself will still need to be changed, however. If you have any problems logging in please let us know. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:11, 20 January 2013 (MST)

== Barnstar and Helper Categories ==

I recently found out about the award system on this wiki (Barnstars). I was thinking that since most of the people with Barnstars are experienced enough to help the average User with whatever they need help with, maybe we could compile a list of people with Barnstars, and have the Barnstar Template link to it?

On a related note, I think that it would be a good idea to make a list of people who can be contacted by other users to help with any issues or questions that they might have. For both the Barnstar and the "Helpers" page, inclusion would involve putting a Category on your homepage, like for example <nowiki>[[Category:Helper]] or [[Category:Barnstar]]</nowiki>. The To-Do lists "stub" and "needs balancing" pages are too large to be of any use, because there are a lot of people who have made a perfectly good class, and then forgot or didn't bother to remove the "stub" tags from the page. We could also edit the Templates to include a link to the Help page, so that people would know about it. If you give me the go-ahead, I'll start working to set both pages up. --[[User:Salasay|Salasay Δ]] 07:13, 18 January 2013 (MST)

:Made a page for the "Helpers". Can be found [[3.5e_Helpers_Page|here]]. There are four categories that a User could put on his homepage to become a helper: <nowiki>[[Category:Balancing Helper]] to help balance a class, [[Category:General Helper]] for random DnD help, [[Category:Formatting Helper]] for help with Formatting, and [[Category:Helper]] as the mother category for the other three</nowiki>. The different categories determine what kind of assistance the User will provide. For example, my forte is mostly in balanceing and just general DnD help, not formatting, so i put <nowiki>[[Category:Balancing Helper]], [[Category:General Helper]], and [[Category:Helper]]</nowiki> on my homepage. What do you think about the idea? --[[User:Salasay|Salasay Δ]] 09:21, 19 January 2013 (MST)

::I created [[:Category:Barnstar Recognition]]. Maybe we could make a page which just lists the users and their talk pages for contacting them (not sure how though with all those user subpages). The helpers, if you do not mind, should be added to [[Category:Needs Review]] (as a link or somesuch, I am sure that there must be a good way to implement them). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:52, 20 January 2013 (MST)

User talk:Rouge Luffy

2013-01-20T20:07:28Z

Blue Dragon: Blue Dragon moved page User talk:Rouge Luffy to User talk:Rogue Luffy: User requested username change

#REDIRECT [[User talk:Rogue Luffy]]

User talk:Rogue Luffy

2013-01-20T20:07:13Z

Blue Dragon: Blue Dragon moved page User talk:Rouge Luffy to User talk:Rogue Luffy: User requested username change

== Namespaces ==

I moved your proposed changes of the Tome Fighter to [[Fighter, Tome (Rouge Luffy Variant) (3.5e Class)]]. The reasoning behind such a switch is as follows: one, your changes constitute a drastic overhaul of the article, rather than minor alteration which preserve the spirit and idea of the original, and two, if people were allowed to make such changes at the drop of a hat there would simply be endless namespace wars over who gets what. Feel free to move it to a different name of your choosing, but not back into the Fighter, Tome (3.5e Class) namespace. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] ([[User talk:Jota|talk]]) 09:47, 16 August 2012 (MDT)

== Moving pages ==

Please be careful when moving pages. You really made a mess of things this morning. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:39, 3 September 2012 (MDT)

I've blocked you for 1 month because you are continuing to make [[Special:Contributions/Rouge_Luffy|strange page moves]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:13, 28 September 2012 (MDT)

== Request ==

Some can change my user name from ''Rouge Luffy'' to ''Rogue Luffy'' (It was grammer mistake).
:Only [[User:Blue Dragon]] or [[User:Green Dragon]] can change a username. You could email one of them (use [[Special:EmailUser/Green_Dragon|this]] or [[Special:EmailUser/Blue_Dragon|this]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 16:50, 13 January 2013 (MST)

Talk:Arachonomicon; the Book of Spiderkind (4e Sourcebook)

2012-09-11T22:01:31Z

Blue Dragon: Reverted edits by Blue Dragon (talk) to last revision by Jazzman831

{{Featured Article Nominee}}
== To Be Added ==

This is a list of things I will add to this sourcebook. If anybody has ideas, please share them [[Discussion:Does anybody know of any 3rd edition stuff that I could convert for the Arachonomican?|here]] or add them to the list (I will remove things I don't want to add). --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 03:29, 9 November 2008 (MST)

<tasks>
[x] [[Spider Disciple (4e Paragon Path)|Spider Disciple]]
[x] Templated Spiders ([[Husk Spider (4e Template)|Husk Spider]] and [[Celestial Spider (4e Template)|Celestial Spider]])
[x] [[Chosen of the Spider Queen (4e Epic Destiny)|Chosen of the Spider Queen]]
</tasks>

== Featured Article Nomination ==

This article and all of its associated content is the best homebrew 4e addition we have at this point. Sam Kay has done an excellent job in putting up his information in a easily navigational way and said material is very well written and done.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:36, 25 January 2009 (MST)

'''Support''' — As per above  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 10:36, 25 January 2009 (MST)

'''Support''' — I have seen this source book develop from the begining and have talked and discussed with Sam countless time about it, also I'm the graphics designer for the cover and future PDF ''':D'''. Overall Sam has brilliant work here that I think only he will surpass until some home prodigy appears. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 14:02, 27 January 2009 (MST)

<s>'''Comment'''</s> — You do know that it's not finished yet? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:47, 25 January 2009 (MST)

:And probably won't be for some time! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:47, 25 January 2009 (MST)

::Yes, but I believe it is already grand enough to warrant atleast the discussion that an FA nom can provide, and I truly believe it is worthy of inclusion in the wiki's top brass.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 11:14, 25 January 2009 (MST)

:::Apart from a few <s>example encouners</s>, only the <s>drow</s> and <s>drider</s> creature entries, the sourcebook are left to do, and then it is completed. Huzzah! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 04:53, 25 February 2009 (MST)

::::It is finally completed! Huzzah! -- [[Image:SamAutosig.JPG]]'''[[User:Sam Kay| Sam Kay ''']][[User talk:Sam Kay|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Sam Kay|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Sam Kay|  email  ]] 12:41, 2 June 2009 (MDT)

::::: Huzzah! Congrats I know you have been working hard on this. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 13:01, 2 June 2009 (MDT)

::::::Well, can we re-begin this discussion then, as I still feel this is a FA worthy portion of the wiki.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:11, 29 August 2009 (MDT)

'''Support''' This book is very thorough, with lots of useful information and interesting flavor. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]] 10:57, 15 October 2010 (MDT)

'''support''' this article is the best one I have seen yet, with useful information and a lot of hard work, one of Sam Kays best works. [[User:greenstyle|greenstyle]]

'''Comment''' — The tables throughout need to be changed to 4e tables. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:57, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Download? ==

Can I download this anywhere as a PDF? One of my players wants to use this, but I really don't want him to have to have the internet is a dispute comes up, because that is sometimes not possible for us. Thank you!

:As this sourcebook is being written, it is also being copied into a word document. Once the sourcebook is complete, the word document will be available to download and print (though it will be fairly large). For now, however, you can find printable versions of each article (go to the article, and click "printable version" on the toolbox section of the navigation thingy). Just print out everything he wishes to use, and have it on the table while you play (that is what I do). Oh, and if he does try out this sourcebook, thank him for me and let me know how it works out! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 05:37, 27 January 2009 (MST)

::Wow. If you need any help Sam, I have software that can assist in making the layouts so that the eventual pdf will be searchable and have the table of contents and such. Though I'm sure you have the ability to turn the word into a basic pdf. Anyone can download primopdf for free. It'll be a nice addition once its downloadable.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 07:38, 27 January 2009 (MST)

::: Probably wont be nescesarry after I remake the cover for the source book one of the thing I'm working on for Kay will be a pdf. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]]

== Draegloth? ==

Seeing as you've done the drider, can we have the draegloth as a race here, too? The supplement as it is is cool, but the draegloth were my favorites out of the 3.5 supps. ^w^ --[[User:Ddragon Necrophades|Ddragon Necrophades]] 18:49, 28 January 2009 (MST)

:The plan is (and has always been) to do draegloths (along with chitines and ettercaps) as playable monster races in the campains (or maybe monsters) chapter. The draegloth should be in line with a player race (maybe with afew racial feats in tow), so fear not. You could play one. As a side note, I'm also doing rules for the ritual needed to create a draegloth in the campains chapter. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 13:19, 29 January 2009 (MST)

::Yes! Draegloth for win! @w@ --[[User:Ddragon Necrophades|Ddragon Necrophades]] 18:57, 29 January 2009 (MST)

:::[[Draegloth (4e Creature)|Here]]. Lots of draegloth. And playable draegloth (with feats)! Even the draegloth creation ritual. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 06:03, 3 February 2009 (MST)

== Any More Graphics ==

Sam I was wondering if you need any more graphics done for the book? [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 03:54, 30 January 2009 (MST)

:Ah, sorry, one thing. The "By Sam Kay" and "D&D Wiki" are off center in the logo for this book. The top title may be to. Not sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:17, 12 March 2009 (MDT)

::The title is (I've already checked), but that is fine; the titles etc. on 4e books are also off centre, because of the spine (I checked that too). The off centreness of the title, author (i.e. me!) and "D&D Wiki" therefore fits in with the rulebooks it is emulating. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 14:52, 12 March 2009 (MDT)

:::I don't want to sound rude however I really think the image could be improved. What are your thoughts [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]], or do you think it is good as is? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:02, 3 June 2009 (MDT)

:::: Yes it could be improved, as i amde that graphic, and i know i could have amde it better, time is the issue here. I have exams right now. What I will most likely do is, when me and Sam Kay finish our campaign setting, updating the arachonmicon cover to be simmilar to what i am planning for the covers of the AoW Players Guide and Campaign Guide. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 12:20, 3 June 2009 (MDT)

== One class each? ==

I must be starting to sound demanding by now, but I'm getting curious. Are you planning on making a leader and/or defender for the arachane source, too, or is it just going to be the two you've outlined? --[[User:Ddragon Necrophades|Ddragon Necrophades]] 16:03, 31 January 2009 (MST)

:Just the two. I was thinking of others, but I deemed it unessasary (technically, divine characters who gain their powers from one or other of the spider queens are drawing power from the great web, as that is where the spider queens get their power from). Essentially, clerics and paladins of Arachne or Lolth are the arachane defenders and controllers! I suppose that powers for the cleric/paladin of the spider queen might be an idea... but the radiant powers in the PhB would easily work for followers of the queen of the twilight web, and I'll be sorting evil clerics/paladins in my next project (perfect for followers of Lolth), so it is really unnessasary. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 16:44, 31 January 2009 (MST)

== Rating ==

'''Power -4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because this had a lot of help, but not a lot of stuff for the magical spider races.

'''Wording - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because it was nicely worded, but still able to be comprehended by the not so smart people that use this.

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because everything was easy to find

'''Flavor - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because even though this is a cool book, it isnt that original. the model dungeons and dragons books of the necronomicon have been beat badly.

Im gonna have to disagree with the ratings on flavor, this sourcebook has so much more orignal content then books like Libris Mortis, and Dracomicon which tend to have repeated through the editions [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 04:12, 4 February 2009 (MST)

:Just one thing; sourcebooks have the same rating system as the campaign settings (out of 5, based on completeness), not the same rating system as classes. I'm also not sure about what you mean about "not alot of stuff for the magical spider races". There are alot more drow feats than there are racial feats for any individual race in the PHB. There is plenty of other stuff, too. 2 classes, nearly 160 powers, 22 paragon paths, 1 epic destiny, 120 feats and afew magic items. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 13:34, 4 February 2009 (MST)

==Rating==

I give this soucebook a 5/5, because it is obvious how much time was put into this sourcebook and its quality, definitly some of the best work on the DnD Wiki --[[User:Storm Elf5|Storm Elf5]] 19:41, 16 May 2009 (MDT)

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Detect Alignment Variant Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)

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See the [[Netbook_of_Alignment_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)|Netbook of Alignment]] for more alignment - related rules.

=Detect Alignment Variant Rules=
The D&D Wiki [[SRD:Spells|SRD spells]] are among the best descriptions of the spell affects of [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] [[:Category:Detect Spell|detection]] I have seen, but they might work differently in [[3.5e_Campaign_Settings|homebrew universes]]. Here are some ideas:

====Increasing Sensitivity====
A starting first level [[SRD:Paladin|paladin]] is only starting to be sensitive to evil, so the least evil things and differences between different evil things are either not detected or require an additional [[SRD:Concentration_Skill|concentration]] or [[SRD:Spot_Skill|spot]] check. As a caster gains experience, they get much better at [[:Category:Detect Spell|detecting]] such things. An extremely high - level [[SRD:Paladin|paladin]] might conceivably be able to guess the exact [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] and [[SRD:Challenge_Rating_(Creature_Statistic)|challenge rating]] / equivalent level of a target or even that a tribal chieftain has the heart of a Noble Demon behind his Evil Overlord fascade.

====Standing Out Against the Foliage====
Things that are different or unusual are easier to detect than things that are commonplace. If a city is filled with evil people, or the universe itself is tainted with evil (such as the Ravenloft setting), [[SRD:Detect_Good|detect good]] will be an easier to use and more effective spell than [[SRD:Detect_Evil|detect evil]]. In a world full of people of mixed loyalties and weak [[SRD:Alignment|alignments]], anything exclusively good, evil, lawful, or chaotic will stick out. A spellbook with 10% evil - based spells, an [[SRD:Orc|orc]] [[Child_(3.5e Template)|child]], a [[SRD:Neutral_Good|neutral good]] [[SRD:Fighter|fighter]] with a checkered past, or the [[SRD:Neutral_Evil|neutral evil]] merchant who would leave a customer destitute but die to save his family might not show up or require a [[SRD:Spot_Skill|spot]] check because their 'commitment' to any particular [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] isn't quite strong enough to be clearly visible.

====Evil is as Evil Does====
Deeds speak louder than words, so beings who have done truely despicable things without seeking some form of atonement, and those in the process of doing an evil deed show up as evil, but an innocent person would not, even if of [[SRD:Alignment#GOOD_VS._EVIL|evil alignment]]. Inanimate objects show up if [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] - based spells were used in their enchantment.

====Sin Stinks====
[[SRD:Detect_Evil|Detect evil]] can and at least sometimes will [[:Category:Detect Spell|detect]] everyone and everything that has been corrupted by evil, even a little. In other words, almost anyone who isn't exceptionally good or innocent such as:
*The shopkeeper who cheated on his taxes.
*The village idiot who stole food from the shopkeeper.
*The party member who once killed an "innocent" [[SRD:Goblin|goblin]] in cold blood.

====Evil Residue====
Evil, good, lawful, and chaotic deeds and their impact on other people leave behind a 'spiritual residue' much like DNA at a crime scene. Thus a [[:Category:Detect Spell|detect]] [[SRD:Detect_Evil|evil]] spell would reveal not only an evil - enchanted object, evil people, and places where evil spells were performed, but might also detect a torture chamber, a victim of abuse, or objects exposed to great evil. The caster might gain a sense of sorrow, loss, contamination, etc. rather than villainy when the target is something other than a being, spell, or object that is 'currently' evil.

====Aiar Alignment Sense====
The Aiar are this author's homebrew celestial race. They have an innate sense that acts like an omnidirectional Detect Evil spell that is on their whole lives. However, it is not as precise as a Detect Evil spell: they only have a premonition of safety or danger in a given direction. The sense is a combination of Standing Out Against the Foliage and Sin Stinks, but it is normally very faint; creatures that are only minor evil show up at a range of 20 feet; but epic - level creatures of pure evil show up a mile or so away. This gives the Aiar a survival advantage that's a bit like animals that flee moments before an earthquake, but they cannot determine which beings in a crowd are evil. If there is only one person 5 feet away, however, and no one else within a 20 foot radius, there IS a good chance they can guess the alignment of that person.

=Adventure Ideas=
====The DM's Revenge====
This adventure is designed to be used when a [[Dungeon Master (3.5e Deity)|DM]] gets stuck with a bunch of players who like to overuse [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] [[:Category:Detect Spell|detecting]] [[SRD:Magic_Overview|magic]].

Suddenly [[Detect_Alignment_Variant_Rules_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)#Sin_Stinks|everyone]] any [[SRD:Alignment|alignment]] [[:Category:Detect Spell|detecting]] [[:Category:Spell|spell]] is cast upon starts detecting positive. If the players are wise, they'll realize that something is messing with the local [[SRD:Magic_Overview|magic]] and seek to solve the mystery; otherwise it is likely the characters will kill or otherwise persecute a (mostly) innocent person. If appropriate, have local authorities notice the crime and investigate (or form a vengeance committee). Meanwhile, any [[SRD:Paladin|paladins]], [[SRD:Cleric|clerics]], etc. of good - aligned [[3.5e_Deities|deities]] loose all their powers because of the party's evil deed!

Allow the characters to encounter a high - level [[SRD:Cleric|priest]], oracle, wandering [[Sage (3.5e Prestige Class)|sage]], [[SRD:Gold Dragon|gold dragon]], etc. who explains that they must atone for their deeds and their powers will be fully restored. The attonement might include a financial penalty such as making a particularly appropriate major charatable donation, or a psychologically difficult journey such as visiting a town where the local authorities are biased against the characters or helping a former enemy in need. The moment the assignment is complete, the player character's abilities all return to normal.

Along the way, there will be additional side plots; the whole adventure should be geared toward the purpose of teaching the characters they cannot always trust divination abilities. As a reward for completing the adventure, the characters should have an opportunity to advance a level or else gain a slightly better ability to use the spell that caused the trouble in the first place.

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Talk:Shinigami (3.5e Class)

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== Rating ==

'''Formatting - 4/5:''' I give this a 4 out of 5 on formatting because no links are present either to the SRD or the class features from the table. Other than that, it looks good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:15, 22 February 2008 (MST)

== Few sugestions ==

I loved the approach you gave to the "Shinigami" thing (I'm a huge fan of Bleach). Now for the sugestions:

1st: The spell list is just broken. It grants spontaneous divine spellcasting, with a mix of wizard/sorcerer only spells AND the ability to learn any spell through study. Even though it only goes up to level 6 and has a small spells known list, I think it should be reviewed, specially the learning spell not in the list thing.

2nd: The shikai looks good, but the bankai seems a little restrictive. The shinigami bankais have at least 10 templates which are all mixed up and with some special unique abilities. Maybe the bankai should have like an ability A, B, C, D... instead of a fixed table, then you could choose from any ability of the corresponding grade or lower (as ability A, B, or C could be put in the ability C slot). Maybe they should have some pre-requisites for abilities that improve (such as HD, damage size...), but that would give more customization.

3rd: The summoning seems a little weak, since it leaves the shinigami without his zanpakutou and gives a CR 11 creature, wich owuldn't pose a threat to a CR 15 creature the shinigami should be fighting. Even with HD bonus, the summon is too weak.

4th: I don't see this class playing in a party with fighters, monks, wizards and the like, since it's pretty much directed to a Bleach oriented universe. So, power issues aren't actually an issue, since Hollows and other monsters would be designed to pose an appropriate challenge. Still, full BAB and spellcasting is too much and two good saves is too much. Btw, the only weak save (Ref) is the one that comes to my mind as first for a shinigami (they always move SOOO fast...)--[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 00:23, 25 April 2008 (MDT)

:Oh, I have attention. Thank you, let's see....

:1st- Actually I just C/P'ed that right from the SRD's sorcerer. I think that line is just supposed to suggest "DM's can change the spell list if needed or make up new spells" and not actually indicating that they can learn any spell they want, which wasn't my intent. I will have a look over the spell list though... I have the same problem I had with DBZ and balancing the use of powerful fighting and powerful supernatural ability in the same package. I am tempted to split it up into a Shinigami, Fighter and Shinigami, Caster class. I'll get back to that one later.

:2nd- Did have trouble with that, I tried to minimize it for shake of space. However I like your idea, of piecing together a bankai's powers. I'll work on that part now.

:3rd-Understood, I'll revamp that when I revamp Bankai.

:4th-I actually mean to try and build a D&D version of a Shinigami. While I don't doubt that the game would probably be tailored with Hallows and the like, for sake of mutable flavor I am trying to build it in mind of having a world where not all your friends can just hop out of their bodies. It's difficult, but thinking them as fighters tailored to handle the ethereal and incorporeal seemed to be a good start. Now.... good point about the Reflex save. If I find something I can dumb down (probably spellcasting), I may make Reflex good, and Will as an intermediate save deal, like the Grace ability for Swashbucklers. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 11:30, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

::As some general suggestions without a detailed reading of the class yet... When designing the class, I would think of Shinigami other than Ichigo since he is generally an exception. The casting would likely be a few evocations and things like ''[[SRD:Hold Person|Hold Person]]'' or ''[[SRD:Resilient Sphere|Resilient Sphere]]''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:24, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

:::Indeed (actually both were on the spell list until I wiped it recently for re-design. They'll probably return though). I scoured the interwebs for the various kido spells, so I'll try to include all I can, balance willing.

:::I'm going ahead with a variant which is more casting heavy. I see PrC, with continuing zanpaktou progression but less BAB, hp, and fightin'. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 20:55, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

:::(EDIT) I think that casting version will be it's own base class. Anyway, I'll save high level kidos for that. For this class, I'd like someone to give a look-see over the spell selection and number. Half are just appropriate for ghost-hunters, the other half is based off kido in serious (Shot of Blue Fire = Fireball, etc). As it's a mostly fighter class, said powers come at later level in an effort to balance. When I make the caster variant, it will be more like cleric/druid and have a more classic progression, with Fireball coming about the time this fighter version is just getting first level spells). -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:20, 26 April 2008 (MDT)

::::I guess a spellcasting and a fighter class would be better, pretty much like Rukia and Ichigo. Sorry about the 1st thing, I just see my players saying "well, I'm studying invisibility, greater so I'll learn it..." and that kind of thing that would unbalance the game. Im planning on creating an anime campaign, so seeing anime classes are wonderful. If you need any help, I'm here xD. --[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 01:32, 27 April 2008 (MDT)

==Balance Check==

It's ready to review. Seems to be some debate over full or medium BAB given the last change. Rather than edit it back (since if I can get away with it, full BAB would be nice), time to ask around about balance. The spells, while handy, I figure are low key... the big things are the class powers and bankai. Are they too much? Is full BAB good? Saves too much? Hit me. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 13:19, 4 August 2008 (MDT)

== More Ideas ==

Here are some ideas you could kick around.

1 For the ''Shikai Special Ability'' at Level 10, it might be good to be able to trade the spell-like ability for ranged attacks (with melee Zanpakutos) or maby even a few aria attacks (with either range or melee Zanpakutos). These would probably be like 3-5/Day (or more).

2 I personally think that the range for the Dimension Door spell is a little big for ''Flash Step'' (level 5). I think that maby 1/4 of the spell rage would be fitting for ''Flash step''.

3 A +10ft speed might be a nice accompanyment to the ''Flash Step''. In the Bleach series everyone is always moving fast but isn't always ''Flash Stepping''. -Tyraxor, 16:01, 21 January 2009 (MTD)

:1) What range do you suppose would fit? It sounds nice. 2) Really? Well, in conjunction with 3) it sounds about right. Thanks for the input, I think I'll mess with this a bit then. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 19:47, 21 January 2009 (MST)

== Even More Ideas!! ==

here be some of my suggestions (i know 'be' should say 'are' but too bad)

# Make the original kido spells, it might take a while but there are only a few and they are all on a bleach wiki with descriptions and the incantations.
# Why not make the shikai and bankai special abilities like player's can make original spells at like 7th-9th level? it would add more originality to every character.
# Ummmm.... nope that's it --- [[User:Stryker-Fyre|Styrker-Fyre]] 11:37, 15 September 2009 (MST)

:I has a more to suggest
:# For Kido spells you could make it a point-based system like Spiritual Pressure Points or something like that.
:# For the summoning thing you should keep the sword because the two characters who summon something ( Mayuri Kurotsuchi and Sajin Komamaura) both kept their swords.
:# I forgot to read it but do you have original shikai and bankai abilities coz you should make them , in addition you could make names for the swords depending on abilities.
:# and Final. You could always make flash step similar to the Jumper Class teleporting ability though you would have to tone it down.P.S i would make all these changes cept im lazy and have BAD balance issues and would probably make underpowered and overpowered abilities otherwise i would have made (NOOOO!) another shingami class even though there are like 7 shinigami classes now and *trails off* I know all the creators of them classes should work together an make one final absolutely brilliant shinigami class..... i stop talking now--[[User:Stryker-Fyre|Stryker-Fyre]] 12:24, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

::Since this author is no longer really active on D&D Wiki feel free to adopt this article and implement, in a balanced way, good ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Few Suggestions ==

I am a huge fan of bleach and D&D. Having watched the anime and played the game I think it is very difficult to create both a balanced class and an accurate depiction of the characteristics seen in the anime. I have the following generic suggestions:

1. As level grows no verbal component for spells. this is because high level characters do not use incantations for their spells. (for example no verbal needed for spells -2 levels of the highest spell level you can cast.) this means less casting time. Also material components should be used only in high level spells. (the only material comp. I remember seeing in bleach is blood, so perhaps the higher level spells should cost hp + reiatsu)

2. Regarding all shinigami abilities: They are all based on reiatsu so there should be a reiatsu point system both for spells and shikai/bankai/shunpo abilities. (Something like a pool of potential the shinigami taps in and can use as he likes depending on character)

3. Regarding bankai: It is supposed to be about 10 times as strong as shikai which i dont think is properly reflected (except in the vizard shinigami prestige class)

== Rating ==

'''Power - 3/5''' I give this class a 3 out of 5 because it doesn't seem to function that well in a game that doesn't involve incorporeal creatures, although it doesn't do horrible without them. But it's good that you gave us a warning beforehand. :) --[[User:Lhurgyo|Lhurgyo]] 19:02, 29 September 2010 (MDT)

'''Wording - 5/5''' I give this class a 5 out of 5 because you really stuck to the D&D wording really closely, heck, I'd mistake this for a normal class if I saw it in a book. --[[User:Lhurgyo|Lhurgyo]] 19:02, 29 September 2010 (MDT)

'''[[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)|Formatting]] - 2/5''' I give this class a 2 out of 5 because it is filled with minor spelling errors, giving it a less-than-average score. --[[User:Lhurgyo|Lhurgyo]] 19:02, 29 September 2010 (MDT)

'''Flavor - 4/5''' I give this class a 4 out of 5 because it has a very nice flavor to it, although not very useful in most games (which is mostly forgiven by your warning). --[[User:Lhurgyo|Lhurgyo]] 19:02, 29 September 2010 (MDT)

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big>
|-
| '''This page contains external links.''' D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki
|}

::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

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Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[DnD Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/69592454.jpg/
{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::It will be so cool if that works - I can devote more time to making content instead of trawling Recent Changes for spam. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 09:56, 19 August 2012 (MDT)
:::::::Okay, so, this morning I check the Recent Changes and normally there's half a dozen bits of spam to remove. Today - nothing, all clean! Nice one Blue Dragon, high-fives all round. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:53, 20 August 2012 (MDT)
::::::::Wow, that's great news! Of course, it's an arms race... so I'll keep any more tricks in the bag for now. Please let me know if it starts up again, and I don't notice. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:32, 20 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)
:I also Submitted a new Deity [[Karura (3.5e Deity) | Karura]] in the [[3.5e Greater Deities | 3.5e Greater Deities]] Page and it did not show up at all... I was also wondering if you could take a look at it when you have time... --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 23:15, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

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== Rating Please ==

I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC).
 
Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)

== 4 Edition Summaries ==

Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.

I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Campaign Settings ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)

== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==

Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)

:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)

::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)

::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Magician ==

I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}

:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Warning Policy Input ==

Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)

:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)

== Giants ==

Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)

:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==

Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)

::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)

== Just another new guy asking around... ==

SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:

Spell Slayer

This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)

Crystalline Weapon property

This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this).
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)

Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).

:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)

== Hello ==

Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)

::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)

Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.

== new type of creature ==

Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}

:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)

== Can you create your own monster and how? ==

How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)

:See also "[[3.5e Creatures|Create new creature]]". Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)

== Classes ==

Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.

Thank you for your time and consideration
Playerdb

:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deleting images ==

Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

== update ==

Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)

::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Featured Article Nomination? ==

What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)

== Not updating ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)

== Deities secion ==

I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.

:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)

:The 'Not Appropriate' part made me snicker a bit, honestly, as I had to consider whether D&D was serious business, for a moment. That said, it's just as easy to pass by the joke deities and move onto a real one. Until the number becomes far greater than the number of real deities, I say it is alright to leave it as it is. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:15, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

== Reploids ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)

== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==

I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)

== Adding Content ==

Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}

:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)

== help looking ==

i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.

:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)

== Was just wondering... ==

Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)

::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)

== Question??? ==

Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)

:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:

* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.
* Each subrace have a class
* Each social caste have classes based on them.

Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:

* only racial classes gives hp
* carrier classes doesn't give HP
* gold is removed

--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)

:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==

Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{User:Klas Wullt|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}

:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)

Thanks for the Offer.
Here, I just made on class.
Please take a took at it.
[[Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class)]].

:Sorry for taking your time, I want two things!
:I am writing lots of notes on my computer how to make the setting better
:so I need to ask somethings.

:*About Categories
:First, Sorry if I ask this, but I sort the pages by category?

:*About the Setting Points.
:Second, what does it take to make my Setting improve from 3/5 where it is now to the 4/5 rating that I want?
:Detailed starting adventures?, detailed city maps?

::Yes, you should add [[:Category:Teoryran Setting]] to the things which relate to Teoryran. To improve it, a discussion for its talk page, you should probably format Teoryran so one can find their way back, one can find all the pages about Teoryran, etc. Also deities, pantheons, character options, quests, encounters, and maybe more, and missing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

===Requests 4/5 points===
I have added pantheons, gods and someother things.
I dont have much game mechanical information yet.
Please take a look after the updates. Thanks for your time.

====Questions====
Will finnishing all the classess for all the races?, raise the setting rating?

== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==

Hi Green,

I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)

Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.

Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.

I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships

Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)

I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista

Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)

Are you able to help?

Thanks

--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)

== Blades Of Keran ==
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

== Economist talk page ==

So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...

::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?

Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.

::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now– I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?

:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).

::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::How about this:

{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big>
|-
| '''This page contains external links.''' D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki
|}

::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).

::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]

== Hi ==
I need help with footers and links.

:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)

== hello ==

I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant
and Ork noble races.
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.

The race pages are to big,
any suggestions of how to cut them up and
sort them in different sections?

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

== hi ==

Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world
and their lands somewhere else.

:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)

Yes; sorry for being unclear.
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes
if they are not exactly base classes either?
Variant rules?
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?
Or are they paragon classes?
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting
lack addresses and take up extra memory.

Hello.
We need a racial class category like that from Savage Species.
Savage Species offers levels all the way up
and they don’t just raise abilities at level 3.
Can I make a suppliment page
where I have my own classess,
I might do it, you can delete if its improper.
I would like some criticism for my classes.

:I imagine what you are talking about should work as a [[3.5e Racial Paragon Classes|racial paragon class]] with a specific [[3.5e Races|race]] made for it. Though you may want to mention that you are using the monster class rules from [[Savage Species]]. If they are not racial paragon classes then yes, you should make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and link them from there. Don't worry about taking up space. It's of no concern. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:29, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

:It does help alot, I think I prefere the combo Savage Species+ Paragon. and have started to work on it.Now my problem lies with what features to distribute.But aren't there any category where you can submit Savage Species Monster classes? Paragon classes, mostly allows you to reduce the weaknesses of a race, as I see it anyway, while monster classes sort of build the race from zero and up.The attempt to create different "races" for aristocrats and commoners,end up making them very similar except that commoners gets penalties the nobles don't.I have a dozen ideas, and edit back and forth.Still, if you took a look at these I made,you can se specific balancing is a problem.
--[[User:Klas]] 10:46,08 Juli 2011 (?)

== Edit Revert? ==

Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).

::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines.
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].

:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters

::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.

::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.

::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' — what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}

:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::No. For example "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)

:::::::You are correct. When you submit content you are agreeing to license it under the GNU FDL v1.2. However, you are ''not'' agreeing to ''exclusively'' license it under the GNU FDL v1.2, ''nor are you giving up your copyright''. You are free to release it under other licenses (which may have other conditions), to other people, whenever you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:56, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

::::::::Not if what it is licensed under forbids it. For example "no other conditions whatsoever" means just that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:54, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

== Campaign Setting ==

My campaign setting is no longer showing up on the 3.5e Homebrew for campaign settings. I don't really know much about moving pages and such so I actually need help with this. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 00:02, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I fixed it.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:30, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

I need help with balancing my classes.

I also have a question.

Can I write off, feats from books and put under the class?
I found some cannon feats I wanted to use?

-------

Thanks, I don't know who that is. --[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 22:39, 31 May 2011 (MDT)

:If you supply me with a link I can help you balance the classes. Yes, you can use feats. Reference books with <tt><nowiki>'s</nowiki></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:19, 13 June 2011 (MDT)

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).

== Race Posts ==

I recently posted a race, but cannot find it when I go through the Homebrew races for 3.5e. Did I not post it correctly? The name of the race is Kyree (plural).
[[User:Grimli93|Grimli93]] 10:31, 1 June 2011 (MDT)

:I'm pretty sure I fixed it. You left the <!- and -!> on in the category sections. I also fixed a few other problems on the page without changing any of your work.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:21, 2 June 2011 (MDT)

== Keran (3.5e Races) ==

Why have you recently edited the names of many of my races from "Race Name (Keran Race)" to "Race Name, Keran (3.5e Race)"? In my opinion it was unnecessary and I am confused to why you did it?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:06, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:Races should be labeled as "Race". I added "Keran" to some to distinguish them as part of [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]] where their was already something of the same name. How they used to be named made a problem on the dynamic race pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::Didn't notice the problems. And if thats so then why not rename all of them? Also some of what you renamed doesn't have Keran in the title. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:18, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I guess I can. Some don't have "Keran" because I was not certain if you want it there or not. It doesn't need to be (the reason for the some was that it makes sense to not have variant attached to the page), but they all can have "Keran" present. I am uncertain. I'm actually working on the disambiguation page [[Elf]] and didn't do the others as such. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:21, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::So why did they need to say 3.5e? I didn't think they required it to be 3.5e.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::I put that there because they use 3.5e rules. I think I am confused. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:39, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::You didn't do that for other Disambiguations. For example [[Fighter|Fighter]].--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:43, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::I'm not understanding what your saying. I have not yet saved [[Elf]], if that helps at all. I was actually talking about the Keran races I moved above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:45, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::I was more asking why do they need to be (3.5e Race) for disambiguation. Also if it is just because of it is 3.5 material then shouldn't Cora races also be changed?.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:55, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::Yes, it is because it is 3.5e material. I am doing it because disambiguation pages require alphabetization and moving them now makes it much smoother. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:57, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::::::Okay. But how come the elves now don't have Keran as part of the page title? Not that thats a problem just wondering. Because you changed the name for the Lizardfolk as well (I'm guessing for the same reasons as the Elves) but they still have the Keran as part of there title.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:13, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::I did that because the lizardfolk had other lizardfolk races with the same name present. I can do that for the elves, which were the only elves with that name, if you want. It's your call. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::::::::It's fine now I was just confused before.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:23, 4 June 2011 (MDT)

== Prestige Base Classes ==

In Blades Of Keran I was going to create new prestige classes. The only problem is that I want my prestige classes to like a Base Class with slight requirements. And as I wanted to make them full base classes, I was hoping to give them a full 1-20 level progression without having to use Epic Level Rules. So would they be still classed as Prestige Classes?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 23:10, 24 June 2011 (MDT)

:No. They would not work with [[SRD:Multiclass Characters]]. Making a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] about them and linking them from that page would be appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:19, 25 June 2011 (MDT)

== Creating an Infrastructure Category for SRD Pages ==

I was working on a sortable DPL for 3.5e SRD Creatures (as an example for what we could do for 3e Monsters), and I came across a problem. It seems that we have pages like "Evil Creatures" marked as "Creatures", which naturally creates a problem when making a DPL of all creatures. My solution to this would be one of two options: Remove "Creatures" category from pages like "Evil Creatures", or create a new category like "SRD Infrastructure", which we could add to all pages like "Evil Creatures" that are labeled "Creature" but aren't actually creatures. We already have a category by that name, so we'd need to name it something else, but the idea stands. What are your thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:51, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:Or just remove [[:Category:Creature]] from that page and replace it with [[:Category:Creature List]]? If it's a widespread problem an infrastructure category may make more sense though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::Ehh, I've just figured out a way to do what I wanted to do without having to change anything. I'm not sure if it is a better solution (efficiency-wise), but it's less work in the present, so I like it well enough. Do you know much about DPL tables? I'm trying to figure out how to insert text into a cell that with an empty parameter (similar to how we have NFR or NR for classes that aren't fully rated on the 3.5e Class Homebrew table). Do you know how to do that, or better yet, do you know of a website that would be able to teach me how? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:39, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

:::I know some about dpl's. An empty parameter? You could just do something like <tt><code><nowiki>|include={<!-template->}:noneparam:<!-include1->, etc</nowiki></code></tt>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:53, 26 June 2011 (MDT)

::::I don't think that's quite what I'm trying to do. If you check out [[User:Badger/sandbox12|my attempt]], you'll notice that entries like "Air Elemental" have blank spaces in the table. That is because they have multiple copies of the template I am querying on the page, so it won't return anything. My plan was to make it so if the box for "CR" was empty, the table would put in some line of text like "Varies". That way there would be no empty cells in the table. I'm still trying to get the hang of DPLs, so I'm not sure what code does what. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:03, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

:::::Nevermind, I don't need to do that for this list anymore, but if you know of a useful resource I'd love to get it. My google searches aren't as helpful as I'd like them to be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

::::::[http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki Mediawiki.org] has things about extensions. Sorry, I do not know how to default dpl results. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:11, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== Vacation ==

I will be going away for the next few weeks. If everyone could keep up on vandalism and spam that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 27 June 2011 (MDT)

== goofed on a new class ==

I created a new class, Cantrip Master, but my logon expired so it went online but did not show as I started it. Is there some way to rectify that?

Thank you for your help

Dan {{unsigned|Ubergeek63}}

:Hey [[User:Ubergeek63|Dan]], GD is on vacation. I can try to help, but I don't think I truly understand what you're trying to say above. Can you give a link to the [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diff] or [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Ubergeek63 diffs] in question to help us see what problem you're having? Or explain in a little more detail? Also, remember to sign your posts by the use of four tildes (i.e. <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 17:16, 29 June 2011 (MDT)

== Any Suggestions for a Discussion? ==

Mm any suggestions for what to put at my talk page?
Is it possible to allow for others to expand or edit my setting?
I would like to try to engage others to contribute.

:That would more be something for the campaign settings discussion page. Your talk is where other users will talk to you. If you mean your userpage, you may want to look at other user's userpages to get some ideas. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:25, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Just curious. ==

Why is there no Ambidexterity in the 3.0 edition feat list? {{unsigned|Dorkmuncher}}

:The feats in that list are SRD only - meaning they are the officially released feats that we are legally allowed to have. If something is not listed there, and it was an official feat, then it was not released in such a way to allow us to host it. {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 06:03, 9 July 2011 (MDT)

== Marroar and his torrent of unbalancing ==

You'll probably have already noticed and what not, but it's beginning to bug me. I noticed a guy named [[User:Marroar|Marroar]] with edits all over the place, mostly tiny ones, but hundreds of them. It seems like everything he touches becomes unbalanced as anything, particularly with some changes he tried to make to a race of my original creation, and even seen more so at [[Dragon Rider (3.5e Class)|Dragon Rider]], in which the nearly the entire history is tiny, horrible alterations to an already sketchy class, including some that go completely against the fundamental functions of the class page, like giving out ability adjustments just for taking the class. You'll see what I mean, if you look at it. Not sure if he's just a spammer or just really bad at this stuff, or just trying to con his DM or something. It's just bothersome to have some guy scurrying about waving broken-ness all over the place. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:07, 10 July 2011 (MDT)

:When you see this happening the correct procedure is to undo the edit and explain why it was a non-constructive edit. I did this where it was appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:23, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Noted. I'm going to continue disliking him, though, and this other IP who keeps breaking loadouts. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:43, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

:::If he's doing it to a number of articles, I recommend you give a more detailed explanation on his/her talk page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:17, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::::Well, it was about 20 days ago that I posted this, initially, and I've not seen him around. He seemed to target any page with the word "Dragon" in it, though, as he kept doing it to Dragon Rider, Dragonkin, and so on. That said, I'll get back to him if he shows up, again. The IP, however, does not have a talk page, I don't think, and has not registered, that I've seen. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:39, 31 July 2011 (MDT)

:::::IP's do have talk pages, they just aren't all that useful unless the person has the same IP the next time they log in. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:01, 1 August 2011 (MDT)

== Pathfinder Spells ==

Would I be allowed to add spells from PathFinders SRD to this site and put it in the Homebrew section. I will make sure each page says that is from the Pathfinder SRD so that the creator's get there credit. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:24, 19 July 2011 (MDT)

:Which license are they released under? If it is OGC then by all means, yes. You would want to do it with the same format as something like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

::Its OGL. But that means its should be fine then doesn't it. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:39, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

:::Yup. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:42, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== How else can I help? ==

I have been making a few pages and have a lot of free time on my hands so I was wonder how else I could be of service. I know wiki formatting enough to piece things together and I can end up doing a pretty good job. [[User:Dsnake1|Dsnake1]] 21:44, 24 July 2011 (MDT)

:There are many places where you could be of service. For example all [[:Category:Base Class|base classes]] need to be gone through with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] templates. Is this something you may be interested in doing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:33, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Nomination ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:Is this a good place to announce a nomination? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 13:50, 26 July 2011 (MDT)

::For an article to become a featured article? Just follow the [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees|Featured Article Nominee]] method. An RfA? You should mention it on their talk (if it is you then just make it and it will be posted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 29 July 2011 (MDT)

== Geostase ==

It appears that you are using the name "geostase" as the name of one of your game creatures. Please be advised that geostase is a registered trademark (United States Patent and Trademark Office Registration No. 4,000,187) for our slope stability analysis engineering software. Thank you for your cooperation in not using this name. Best Regards, Dr. Garry H. Gregory, Ph.D., P.E., D.GE Principal Consultant GREGORY GEOTECHNICAL 2001 West 44th Avenue Stillwater, Oklahoma ggregory@gregeo.com {{Unsigned|173.245.50.176|22:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)}}

:It can be changed, yes. And feel free to change it. I don't think it applies to us since "A legal presumption of your ownership of the mark and your exclusive right to use the mark nationwide on or in connection with the goods/services listed in the registration; " ([http://www.uspto.gov/faq/trademarks.jsp#_Toc275426681 source]) and it is registered for "Computer programs for stability analysis of soil slopes in the field of engineering." Please correct me if I am wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

::Sounds fine, to me. I highly doubt that a small, homebrew'd creature with the same name will interfere with their company operations or deployment, nor does it really fit either of those two items, especially since the first states the trademark only extends as far as connection to those goods and services are concerned, and a D&D creature is certainly not connected to it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:39, 30 July 2011 (MDT)

== Question ==

Greetings, is there a place I can ask questions on here for specific things? As in help on characer creation or ideas for part of a campaign world I am creating? The only place I can think of for stuff like this is the sandbox but.. I highly doubt anyone will actually comment on anything I say or ask. That aside, do you know of any place I can chat with people about these things in real time? I am joining a gestalt campaign here in a few days and have questions regarding item creation, but due to the time between now and actual play, I would like to get feedback instantly versus a few hours to days. Otherwise this wouldnt bother me. Thanks for your time in reading this and even more so if you reply. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:11, 3 August 2011 (MDT)

== Greetings. ==

Greetings, Green Dragon. I really enjoy your site. You have the most fantastic pages. I just wish to Ask how you are holding up? Are the working Spirit Strong? Becourse i hope it is :) It would be sad to see this wonder go inactive. So, i have never tried to Edit anything, but i wish to add a class. Archpriest of Wee Jas. So i hope to contribute. Even if just a little. My most heartfelt thanks for all the great work on this site.

-Narf- [From twcenter.net]

== Site nominated for an Award ==
*See: [[Talk:Main_Page#Site_nominated_for_an_Award]] {{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 18:54, 14 August 2011 (MDT)

== New User Accounts and Spam ==

As I know you have noticed, we've gotten a recent wave of spammers making accounts, and then posting trash on their user pages that oughtn't be there. Is there a captcha involved with creating a new user account? If not, can there be? If there is, can we check to make sure it's working? Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:33, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

:According to [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ConfirmEdit_Test_Plan ConfirmEdit's Test Plan] number 4 both number one and two work for me. The ReCaptcha is there and a "Login error Incorrect or missing confirmation code." message shows up with an incorrect confirmation. Maybe automated networks are better then ReCaptcha's is or they are done by humans. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 17 August 2011 (MDT)

== Foreclosing a Class ==

This spring I created the [[Enlightened Soul]] prestige class for 3.5. I've been meant to finish it up over the summer, but life, and my limited knowledge of wiki magic, continually got in the way, and I'm sad to say I don't see that changing. I do however still like the idea of the class, and would love to see it finished. My request then, is that you, or someone more interested in it, simply apply the finishing touches. I am absolutely available for any questions you may have. Thanks for your time. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 20:38, 21 August 2011 (MDT)
:Ignore the above. Until my books get in, I have a lot of free time, and have actually more or less finished the Enlightened Soul. Check it out if you'd like.--[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 07:08, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== Requests 5/5 points ==

I ask to get 5/5.

I have profoundly coverer,geography,monsters, races, societies, gods
and background stories.
I don't have any adventures thought.

== A question about deletion ==

So, I was just wondering, what are our policies on deleting "completed" material? Is there a minimum rating a "finished" class must have, or face deletion? If the general consensus on the discussion page is "make it go away", and it's been at least two weeks, can I delete it without hesitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:50, 23 August 2011 (MDT)

:Not if there is enough content to be playable. Can one play with a few class features for the starting levels? Probably (and then they could improve the class from that stage).
:Anyone can add {{tl|delete}} so criteria is present for the deletion of that content. If you did delete content which was playable you should go back and restore it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::I'm just looking at classes, like [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|this one]], that have been marked for deletion for months. It is marked as a base class, but should be moved to prestige class if we intend to keep it. Anyway, it has class features all spelled out, but it's a mess of formatting, there is virtually no fluff, and the vast majority of the ratings (at least, the ones I trust) have said horrible things about the class. I see no reason why we should bother to keep this class, especially since it has had no productive edits since 2009. However, if you feel this is the type of content you want to keep around, I can just move it to prestige class and swap out <nowiki> {{delete}} for {{wikify}}</nowiki>. In my opinion we should have some sort of "this isn't going to get better and it is terrible now, we might as well trash it" policy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:41, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::Yes, there is enough content there to keep it. Is it correct? No, it needs work. Things should (if you have enough time please help) work more correctly with the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles]] templates. This means that those which do not work should be moved to a separate section (like [[DnD Base Classes]]) and those that do are to be more easily accessible. This removes problems such as [[Anti-Christ_(3.5e_Class)|Anti-Christ]] however leaves it enough room for it to be improved upon. If you have deleted others which are playable (I have found a few, however I have not looked well) please restore those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

::::I think I've been pretty careful about deleting content that wasn't up to snuff. I know we disagree on that Taco article, but that may be because it was an April fool's class, and I figured that no one but the original creator would bother to write more fluff for it (it is my opinion that one joke doesn't make a joke page, and that page had very few). I can't think of any pages that I've deleted that were questionable. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

:::::I may look more, however you could be rather correct. That was one I found, as well as one with a history earlier then the deletion template was added then was removed to make for the delete template. That was probably just a oversight problem on your part though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

==Jedi base class, prestige class, d20, consolidation==
I stumbled upon the Jedi class here, and although certain aspects of Star Wars should remain out of D&D, I still think the philosophy and characterization is a good thing for roleplaying in the D&D universe, even if the flashy too powerful lightsaber doesn't belong in the hands of a starting character. I see this class as a fusion of a Paladin and a Monk and a Psion. I don't normally edit here, but I wanted to get started something that cleared up the problem of a start class Jedi. I think that is very wrong, it should take a longer time than than to get there, but I don't think a Padawan class makes sense either as it requires a Master Jedi. Then again, training characters is common, from level to level and for skills and skill improvement, so a Padawan Class might also work. I started this and hopefully you know of people who are interested in developing it: '''[[Jedi (3.5e Prestige Class)]]''' 
I would like to eventually see these base class Jedi removed in favor of Prestige classes.

[[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Sentinel (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Knight (DnD Class)]] 
[[Jedi, Alternitive (3.5e Class)]] 
[[Jedi Alternatives (3.5e Class)]]

From the following website:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi#Specialization

'''''JEDI RANKS''''' 
# Jedi Initiate 
# Jedi Padawan 
# Jedi Knight 
# Jedi Master 
# Jedi Councilor 
# Master of the Order 
# Grand Master 
'''''SPECIALIZATION''''' 
Jedi Guardian 
# Jedi Ace 
# Lightsaber Instructor 
# Jedi Peacekeeper 
# Jedi Weapon Master 
Jedi Consular 
# Jedi Ambassador 
# Jedi Diplomat 
# Jedi Healer 
# Jedi Lore Keeper 
# Jedi Researcher 
# Jedi Seer 
Jedi Sentinel 
# Jedi investigator 
# Jedi Shadow 
# Jedi Watchman 
Army of Light ranks
# Jedi Commander 
# Jedi General 
# Jedi Lord 

None of this necessarily has to do with anything Sci-fi related, I remember reading a copy of the Priest's Handbook and it had a system for creating Religions that included Philosophies instead of Deities. I'll see if I can find another copy and maybe download it. [[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.62|173.245.55.62]] 10:01, 30 August 2011 (MDT)

== Omissions ==

The NoBF is missing the Practiced Spellcaster feat.
This feat (and Practiced Turning, probably others) could benefit from a better description of the limitation (such as saying it is mostly to benefit multiclassed characters).

Searching for edits to the NoBF was totally screwed. I'm not sure about other things listed here, nothing else showed an option to search for edits (I'm busy with other stuff too, so I gave up quick though).

Show new changes starting from [Todays's Date]
There was no way to change the start date. I don't know if changing the range to 30 days mattered or not, since it still started with "Today".
I think I can safely assume that no changes have been made in the last 16 hours, so the fact that it didn't list any changes means nothing.

Keep up the good work. :)

P.S. Don't be seduced by the Dark Side. Stay with D&D and avoid v4.

EricFranklin@Mail.com

== Warning policy rework ==

I'm working on an official warning policy that should more clearly illustrate the purposes of the system. The new policy can be found [[User:Badger/sandbox13|here]]. If you would contribute thoughts on the talk page, that would be most helpful. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 4 September 2011 (MDT)

== 2.5e Homebrew What Links Here ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:2.5e Homebrew#What Links Here]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 5 September 2011 (MDT)

== Enlightened Soul BAB and save issues ==

You placed a notice on the [[#enlightened soul (3.5e prestige class)|enlightened soul]] stating that it did not adhere to wiki formatting, as the table does not have BAB and saves listed. While this is accurate, it is also an epic prestige class, and as such adheres to epic rules in this regard. I felt uncomfortable taking down the notice myself, but would highly appreciate it if you would, or leave a fuller explanation why it would be necessary in the talk section. Thanks for your time and your hard work. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:31, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

:Ah, I didn't notice that. Sorry, I forgot to look at the prerequisites. Feel free to remove and add templates as appropriate as that is why they are there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 6 September 2011 (MDT)

::Thanks much; I've put a lot of time into that class and am rather proud of it. Is there any chance that it might be featured article material, or, barring that, at least high enough quality to warrant a proper review? Granted, I have no doubt that that requires quite a bit of time from you, but I've rather run into a brick wall in terms of improving the class on my own ideas. As always, thanks for your time and effort. --[[User:Lefthandroger|Lefthandroger]] 15:49, 7 September 2011 (MDT)

== Help ==

I can't replace my Vilethrone map.
The old map always appears,.

:On the [http://media.dandwiki.com media repository] did you use the "''Upload a new version of this file''" option? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:09, 9 September 2011 (MDT)

::It may also be that the setting of your pixels on your new map image is too small. Put it in without any pixel limit, and then make it smaller as you need it. When it returns to the old map, use the last setting that used your new map. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:12, 29 September 2011 (MDT)

:::Additionally logging in was not working with Firefox at the time and you may have initially uploaded it with Internet Explorer and then not have seen any options, such as "''Upload a new version of this file''", present. If you see this again please let someone know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:47, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== Spam (again/still) ==

As I'm sure you've noticed, the spamming is getting a little out of hand. Is something not working right? I thought CAPTCHA was supposed to stop this. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:48, 17 September 2011 (MDT)

:Any updates here? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:36, 4 October 2011 (MDT)

::The default CloudFlare threat challenge page settings have now been changed to "high" so more suspicious traffic will be challenged with Captchas. Does this help? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

:::Hopefully that'll do the trick without catching too many "real" editors. I guess we will have to wait and see. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:57, 8 October 2011 (MDT)

::::Hard to say...but, i think spam is hurting the wiki, and if these are our counter measures, we have to use them. However, maybe we could implement them to only hit someone on log on, not every time they visit the front page. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 21:10, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:::::[https://www.cloudflare.com/plans Here] are their options. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:38, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

:Please do. [[2.5e Homebrew]] as well as [[:Category:2.5e]] provide direction as to where 2.5e pages can be found. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:11, 1 October 2011 (MDT)

== 2e Management ==

I was actually wondering if I could help edit the many articles that could come into 2e Homebrew (e.g making guidelines, telling people if thier customs break rules ETC.)

== Can Spammers be a 4e Race? ==

I'm tired of the non-paid advertising put on this site. I was wondering, therefore, if it would be okay if I create a race out of these 'spammers', a.k.a. those whose only purpose on this site is to make it their own free commercial. Or would that be against the warning policy? I wouldn't say or write anything threatening or offensive, although the people sending spam should be criticized for a lack of decency. It's a shame that such a good site is being infiltrated by these advertisements, and it's also a shame to all companies who rightfully ''pay'' to have a product advertised instead of taking advantage of the internet. Anyways, I just wanted to know whether or not I could create a scathing "Spammer (4e Race)" If not, then that's okay. (Also note, I won't be able to be on the site for the next two days, but after that I would have all the time in the world to create the race, if it's acceptable.) --[[User:Obake|Obake]] 20:04, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

:Don't include any swear words, external links, or advertisements. Do include the template <nowiki>{{April_Fools}}</nowiki>. Have fun. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:24, 30 September 2011 (MDT)

== Just wanted to let you know ==

Hey green dragon. It's me, Dj00345. Since I created the 2.5e Homebrew, I have been watching the recent changes log to see if anyone creates anything for the 2.5e Homebrew. I just fixed one page created by someone, they forgot the categories that would link it to a certain page, I was wondering if I can do that for any 2.5e page that doesn't make it to the right places??? Apparently when I created the Homebrew, something happened that screwed things up. Just wanted to let you know. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:08, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

:Yes, if someone creates a page in the wrong place or forgets to add the correct categories, feel free to fix it if you know the correct place it should be. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:21, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::You can feel free to do this for any page in the wrong place, not just ones in 2.5e. It's one of those jobs that admins tend to do, but anyone can move a page if they want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

::: ok was just making sure! Thanks! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:11, 7 October 2011 (MDT)

== New 4e Deity Template ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I created a new Deity Template that follows the 4e Player's Handbook. It's [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/4e Deity Template|here.]] I am also going to do a Racial Hybrid system like the Class Hybrid system. If there's any ideas for that, I'm open for suggestions. I'll create a draft of it in my sandbox.

--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:06, 14 October 2011 (MDT)

::I'm finished with my Racial Hybrid system, if you want to check [[User:Axl/My Sandbox/Racial Hybrid System|it]]. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:39, 5 November 2011 (MDT)

== Welcome Message ==

I'm not really sure what your system is, but you could probably save yourself some time if you only welcomed the people who were still around. I counted about 30 people in this most recent batch that I have blocked for being spammers. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:23, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

:It would probably save time, true, but in any case I just go up the user creation log so I click them in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:28, 30 October 2011 (MDT)

== Cloud flare ==

The new ip protection tool you are using is stop ping me from accessing at work

:What is the error message you are getting exactly? Does it prompt for a captcha? Was this the case a month ago (before the protection settings were increased based off levels of vandalism)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:03, 2 November 2011 (MDT)

::Mind if I pop in here? Are you sure that it's the ip protection tool, or if it's your work place blocking it? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:43, 4 November 2011 (MDT)

== 4e Race Preload ==

:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Race Preload#Racial Options]].'' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 21 December 2011 (MST)

== Restarting the Warmage ==

Hey Green Dragon. I appreciate the effort on your part on keeping my idea from being deleted over the past couple of years. I've seriously neglected completing it, but to be honest I was in the process of creating powers as I posted the first information on the class over two years ago. I've recently happened upon my old notebooks and have been revising old powers I'd written there (but not posted here) and have reformed my approach to the class. I'm currently in school for Game Art and Design, so this is a wonderful outlet for my Systems Design work. As such, I'll be completing this class over the next few months.

Again, I thank you for your unexpected patience in this matter.

--[[User:Biral|Biral]] 18:22, 28 November 2011 (MST)

== Help and review ==
== Greetings Green Dragon == 
I am but a humble servant of fantasy world and seek to enlighten my self. 
I have contributed a few things to this wiki and have used a lot more for my own campaigns. 
But so fare I haven't seen much user activity on this mighty site other then new things being added from time to time. 
I know there is a discussion page for literally every thing in her, but they don't seam to be used that much (or am I just browsing the wrong subjects?). 
 
There fore I write to you as the first administrator I have detected and humbly ask if there is a place where I can ask people so go over my additions? 
Also I would like to use this opportunity to applaud you for you work as I know that it can sometimes be frustrating being an admin. 
 
Sincerely 
[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:ElvenKingSlave Elven King Slave]]

:Which pages in particular? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:: If you go to my user page they are all linked under "my submissions", but her they are for quick reference.
::[[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Weapon_Summoner_(3.5e_Class)#Class_Features Weapon Summoner(3.5 class)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Boltgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Boltgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Lasgun_(3.5e_Equipment) Lasgun(3.5 Equipment)]][[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class) Shield_Knight_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)]] 
::--'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 02:09, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I took a look at them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:09, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::Thanks ill find time to adjust them. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 15:23, 1 December 2011 (MST)

:::::No problem. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:42, 1 December 2011 (MST)

::::::I have done some changes as you suggested and since none of my friends come with any constructive suggestions I would like you to look at it again when you have time and tell me if its still underpowered (If I understood your balance issue correct) --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 08:08, 2 December 2011 (MST)

:::::::I took a look at it again. If you need any help let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:31, 2 December 2011 (MST)

::::::::I have redone most of the features and would like an opinion when you have time. --'''[[User:ElvenKingSlave|ElvenKingSlave]]''' · [[Exalted Wiki:Human|Weapons Summoner]] · [[User talk:ElvenKingSlave|Talk]] 04:46, 5 December 2011 (MST)

== Sourcebook/Campaign ==

Hi Green Dragon, I wonder if it is possible to put a Campaign in the sourcebook section. I think this would make reading and understanding the Campaign easier. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 18:03, 28 November 2011 (MST)

:Of course. It may make sense to link to the campaign as appropriate. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 28 November 2011 (MST)

::I don't understand your answer.
::I think this might be because I didn't explain myself enough. I want to contribute an adventure but find that the source book template would make it way simpler to understand. So can I put an adventure in the sourcebook section? --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 08:25, 29 November 2011 (MST)

:::I worded it to be vague ''';)'''. I did this because you should link to it or transclude it. If your wiki syntax has not reached this level of understanding I intended my answer to imply that you could supply a link (and I would fix it). Of course neither must be the case as eventually it would be corrected one way or the other– no matter how you went about it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:36, 29 November 2011 (MST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have not actually put the campaign up yet, but when I do, I will link it here. --[[User:Warkan|Warkan]] 19:53, 30 November 2011 (MST)

== Formatting and licensing for transcriptions ==

Greetings-
I've been working on and off on transcribing one of Mongoose Publishing's books in the Quintessential series ([[The Quintessential Monk]]). I'm pretty sure I've been getting the formatting in acceptable shape, but would love someone with an experienced eye to take a look. However, the main question I have is about the OGL. I've been taking the "please help transcribe" tags on [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content|this]] page at face value, and have basically been doing just that: a word-for-word transcription. Are there exceptions or limitations to what can and can't be legally duplicated on the internet? I'm not very clear on how the OGL works. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --[[User:Klichka|Klichka]] 17:21, 6 December 2011 (MST)

:The formatting works. The ideal is like [[Crime and Punishment - The Players Sourcebook of the Law]] with the links but if you don't do it like that someone will come along eventually and format it like that.
:You can post every word. The exceptions are Product Identity which basically can only be used by Wizards anyway. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:58, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Looking for advice... and help. ==

I have built a few things here on the D&DWiki page, all under the 3.5 sections; (Jachyrines, Matter Shifter, Velloreans, SoulChain Warrior, Slithzirkhai and a few others).

I am trying to find someone who can look these over and tell me if I have over-powered them or made the Level Adjustment on the races right.

Also, I am looking at building two "mirror" 3.5 classes, the Lunarian and Solarian... Basically mages that draw their power from the Moon and Sun, respectively. I am wanting to do it up like the psion with "Spell Points" vs a set number of spells per day, so they have like a set amoung of "Lunar Power" or "Solar Power" to cast spells with. Its just I want to make sure I go about it right, so if you know of anyone who can give me advice on how to go about this without overpowering it, but not making it completely weak and useless, that'd be great. And yes, they'd each have powers they gain on certain levels related to their source of power.

Also, is there any word on getting the small book "Secret College of Necromancy" transcribed into the site? I used to own it, my ex lost it, and now I can't find a new one. Just curious.

Many Thanks for any help;
Tom.

== Redirect ==

Um, the redirect isn't working properly. I want to move my <s>User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power</s> to [[User: Axl/My Sandbox/4e Future Power Preload]], but it already has that name as a redirect. While I was trying to move it, I clicked the cancel button on my browser so that I could change it to the latter link, but it instead goes to the former when I click on the link. Can this be fixed, and when is the 4e Power creator going to be fixed? The reason why I created the 4e Future Power Preload was so that I would not have to type out the links that say <!-[[Main Page]] → [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] →-> etc. What I'll do is I'll create a breadcrumb that I'll just type into the power while I'm creating it, but could you fix the redirect? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:30, 24 December 2011 (MST)

:Are those pages now how you wanted them to be?
:Also, [[Add New 4e Power]] is working– or what do you mean is not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:46, 27 December 2011 (MST)

::When I tried it in my D&D 4.0 Future sourcebook, it didn't work. I thought that the add power in my sourcebook and the homebrew was the same. I have since changed it. I'll try it again, this time in the homebrew. Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:30, 30 December 2011 (MST)

::Oh, did you fix the redirector? I said it wrong. I said "could you fix the redirect?" when I should have said "could you fix the redirector?". Sorry about that. I'm deleting the 4e Future Power Preload. Sorry for the hassle. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:31, 30 December 2011 (MST)

== 4e race design guideline ==

Hi Green Dragon, just a quick question about my article [[4e Race Design (DnD Guideline)]]. I see it's been copied to [[4e Race Add Instructions‎]] - If make further updates (and I do have some planned), will this need to be copied over manually? I was also hoping someone else familiar with 4e mechanics could check through this before it's used "officially", what do you think? ''':)''' [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:20, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:I read through it and it seemed to cover the design bases well. And no, when you change it will automatically change (it is transcluded). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 4 January 2012 (MST)
::Great, thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 15:50, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Stub tag removal ==

I recently created a new prestige class, [[Badass (3.5e Prestige Class)]]. It isn't rated yet or anything, but for the most part it is complete. How do I go about getting the stub tag removed? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 15:01, 4 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the wording on [[Template:Stub]] make more sense now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 4 January 2012 (MST)

== Fixing double redirects ==

There are quite a few double redirects to be cleaned up manually, and they have been accumulating far faster than they have been fixed manually. Due to this, I was wondering if it would be worth it to have a programming adept wiki user, or hire somebody in your area to design a program to automatically fix the problem by cleaning up double redirects. I'm fairly certain Wikipedia has a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Computer_help_desk/double_redirect_study form of this]. Would it be possible to base the program off a similar idea? With the number of double redirects growing it may be worth investing the time. On a similar note, if a program like this is made, would it be possible to alter it slightly to perform other menial tasks around the wiki such as moving (DnD) pages to their respective edition? I realize many of them have already been moved, however some are still in the wrong places. --[[Special:Contributions/173.245.55.116|173.245.55.116]] 22:05, 8 January 2012 (MST)

:Does the following python code help you?
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the urllib library to access MediaWiki's API
import urllib.request
from urllib.parse import quote_plus, urlencode
from urllib.error import URLError, HTTPError
from http.cookiejar import CookieJar

# Also, to parse the output data we need to handle XML
import xml.dom.minidom as minidom

# We need to handle HTML parsing
from html.parser import HTMLParser
import re

# We need to be able to handle temporary download files
from uuid import uuid4
import os

# Here, we are going to build an HTML parser for editing pages
class EditPageParser(HTMLParser):
# We are looking for:
wpStarttime = ''
wpEdittime = ''
wpEditToken = ''
wpSave = ''
wpAutoSummary = ''

def handle_starttag(self, tag, attrs):
# Determine if this is a tag we are interested in
if tag == "input":
name = ""
value = ""
for attr in attrs:
if str(attr[0]) == "value":
value = str(attr[1])
elif str(attr[0]) == "name":
name = str(attr[1])

# Now, we can save the value to the given vars
if name == "wpStarttime":
self.wpStarttime = value
elif name == "wpEdittime":
self.wpEdittime = value
elif name == "wpEditToken":
self.wpEditToken = value
elif name == "wpSave":
self.wpSave = value
elif name == "wpAutoSummary":
self.wpAutoSummary = value

class MWBot:
"""This is the most basic structure for a simple MediaWiki bot.

It supports the following functions:
"""

def __init__(self, wikiurl):
"""This will set the URL for this instance to the provided URL

Parameters:
The arguments should look something like the following:
wikiurl = "http://www.WIKINAME.com/w/"
"""

self.url = wikiurl
self.cookiejar = CookieJar()

# We need a regular expression to parse the content from a textarea
self.wpTextbox1_sub = re.compile(
r"""^.*<textarea.*?name="wpTextbox1".*?>(.*?)</textarea>.*$""", \
re.I | re.M | re.S)

def _retrieve_page(self, url, headers=None, post=None):
"""This function will retrieve and return the given URL"""

opener = urllib.request.build_opener(urllib.request.HTTPCookieProcessor(self.cookiejar))
data = None
if post:
data = urlencode(post)
try:
request = opener.open(url, data=data)
except HTTPError as e:
print('Request failed with HTTP error code: %s' % e.code)
return (None, None)
except URLError as e:
print('Request to URL failed: %s' % e.reason)
return (None, None)

# Now, save the file [hack]
filename = "/tmp/MWBot.download-%s" % uuid4()
with open(filename, 'wb') as fh:
fh.write(request.read())
headers = request.headers

# We need to read in and load the file
with open(filename, 'r') as fh:
result = fh.read()

# Now remove the temporary file
os.remove(filename)

# Now, we should have the appropriate response page
return (result,headers)

def _list_request(self, args, keep, keepchildren=None, cont=None):
"""This function will perform a basic request to the API for lists

Parameters:
The arguments for the request should be a dict in args, structured
in the following manner: {'action': 'query', 'prop': '...} etc.

The XML args desired should be stored in the list keep.

If keepchildren is specified, then any child nodes in keepchildren
will be have their first child's content saved

If cont is true, then the query-continue field will be returned

Returns:
A list of all XML items found in keep. This will be a list of
args in a dict.
"""

# First, we need to build the query URL
# TODO: Sanitize inputs!
url = self.url + "api.php"
url += "?format=xml"
for arg in args:
url += "&%s=%s" % (quote_plus(arg), quote_plus(args[arg]))

# Perform the actual request
(result,headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not result:
return False

# Now, we need to parse the XML response
# We are only going to keep the XML args specified in keep
dom = minidom.parseString(result)

# We want to keep stuff in the query
query = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query")[0]

main_query = query.lastChild

# We can look through all items to main_query,
# saving items in keep
list = []
for item in main_query.childNodes:
temp = {}
# Grab all of the items
for wanted in keep:
temp[wanted] = item.getAttribute(wanted)
if keepchildren:
for child in keepchildren:
content = item.getElementsByTagName(child)[0].firstChild.\
firstChild.data
temp[child] = content
# Now, add this result to the global list
list.append(temp)

# Determine if we want to keep the continue
new_cont = None
if cont:
try:
query_continue = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("query-continue")[0]
child = query_continue.firstChild
new_cont = child.getAttribute(cont)
except:
new_cont = None

if cont:
return list, new_cont
else:
return cont

def start_edit_page(self, title):
"""Return the content of a page about to be edited"""

# First, we need to get:
# wpStarttime
# wpEdittime
# wpEditToken
# wpSave
# wpAutoSummary

# We are going to need to request the "action=edit" page
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=edit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url)
if not editpage:
return False

# Then, we can pass this page through our parser
self.editparser = EditPageParser()
self.editparser.feed(editpage)

# Unfortunately, we cannot use the parser to grab the page content
# (it breaks on brackets)
# Thus, we will use regular expressions
content = re.sub(self.wpTextbox1_sub, r"\g<1>", editpage)

# We need to unescape this
content = content.replace(">", ">").replace("<", "<")
content = content.replace(""", "\"").replace("&", "&")
content = content.rstrip()

# We can now return the content to be modified
return content

def finish_edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will complete editing a given page"""

# First, we need to construct the POST fields
data = []
data.append(("wpStarttime", self.editparser.wpStarttime))
data.append(("wpEdittime", self.editparser.wpEdittime))
data.append(("wpEditToken", self.editparser.wpEditToken))
data.append(("wpSave", self.editparser.wpSave))
data.append(("wpMinoredit", "1"))
data.append(("wpAutoSummary", self.editparser.wpAutoSummary))

# We need to include the new page contents as well as the edit summary
data.append(("wpTextbox1", newcontent))
data.append(("wpSummary", summary))

# Now, we need to perform the actual request
url = self.url + "index.php"
url += "?title=" + quote_plus(title)
url += "&action=submit"
(editpage,editpage_headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

if not editpage:
return False

# We are done with the given editparser
del self.editparser

return True

def edit_page(self, title, newcontent, summary):
"""This will edit the give page"""

# Load the page to be editted
self.start_edit_page(title)

# Then, finish the page and return the result
return self.finish_edit_page(title, newcontent, summary)

def get_embeddedin_pagetitles(self, pagetitle, cont=None):
"""This will return a list of all page ids of pages embedded in

Parameters:
The title of the page being queried must be specified
The title to continue at

Returns:
A list of the pageids of embedded pages
The title to continue with

Note: This will return the first 50 results.
"""

# First, we need to construct the query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["list"] = "embeddedin"
args["eititle"] = pagetitle
args["eilimit"] = "50"
if cont:
args["eicontinue"] = cont

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")

result, new_cont = self._list_request(args, keep, None, "eicontinue")
if result == False:
return False

# To just return the page ids, we need to
# move all of the data out of dictionaries
titles = []
for item in result:
titles.append(item["title"])

return titles, new_cont

def get_page_contents(self, pageid=None, pagetitle=None):
"""This will return the contents of a page

Parameters:
You can query for the particular page by either page id or page
title. If pageid is set, then pagetitle will be ignored.

Returns:
The contents of the page
"""

# First, we need to construct the appropriate query
args = {}
args["action"] = "query"
args["prop"] = "revisions"
args["rvprop"] = "content"
# Determine whether to use pageid or pagetitle
if pageid:
args["pageids"] = pageid
else:
args["titles"] = pagetitle

# Now, we can query for the page
keep = []
keep.append("title")
keepchildren = []
keepchildren.append("revisions")

result = self._list_request(args, keep, keepchildren)
if result == False:
return false

return result[0]['revisions']

def login(self, username, password):
"""This will log in a given user

Parameters:
username - a string containing the username to log in as
password - a string containing the password to use to login
"""

# We need to construct the login URL
url = self.url + "api.php?format=xml"

data = []
data.append(("action", "login"))
data.append(("lgname", username))
data.append(("lgpassword", password))

# Now, carry out the login request
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# Now, we need to parse and send the request again, but this time
# with the login token as well
dom = minidom.parseString(page)

# We want to get the login token
token = dom.getElementsByTagName("api")[0]\
.getElementsByTagName("login")[0].getAttribute("token")
data.append(("lgtoken", token))

# Now, we want carry out the login request again
(page, headers) = self._retrieve_page(url, post=data)

# TODO: Carry out a "is this success" procedure
if not page:
return False

return True</pre>
:The following shows how to use the above code.
<pre>#!/usr/bin/python3.0

# This program is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
# it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
# the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
# (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.

# We need to use the MWBot
from mwbot import MWBot

# We need to use regular expressions
import re

# Also, we want to flush output
import sys

# Load the bot specifically for D&D wiki
bot = MWBot("http://www.dandwiki.com/w/")

# First, login as Green Dragon
bot.login("USERNAME", "PASSWORD")

# We need some regular expressions to match
authors_match = re.compile(r"""\|authors=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
datecreated_match = re.compile(r"""\|datecreated=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
adopters_match = re.compile(r"""\|adopters=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)
dateadopted_match = re.compile(r"""\|dateadopted=.*?\n""", re.I | re.M | re.S)

# Retrieve the list of pages embedding Template:Author
cont = None
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Racial Paragon Class Infobox", cont=cont)
while pages:

print("Found pages: ")
print(pages)
print("\nWorking:")

for page in pages:
# Work on each page found
print("\t> %s" % page, end="")
sys.stdout.flush()

# If this page contains a colon, warn it
if page.find(":") != -1:
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("WW\tPage name has a colon: %s\n" % page)

# If the page is a talk page, don't touch it
if page.find("talk:") != -1:
print(" ! Will not edit talk page.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tTried to modify talk page: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Grab the content from the page
contents = bot.start_edit_page(page)
contents_old = contents

# Find and remove the |authors= part
contents = re.sub(authors_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |datecreated= part
contents = re.sub(datecreated_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |adopters= part
contents = re.sub(adopters_match, "", contents)

# Find and remove the |dateadopted= part
contents = re.sub(dateadopted_match, "", contents)

# Check and see if there was no change here
if contents == contents_old:
print(" ! ERROR: No change made")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tDid not make any change: %s\n" % page)
continue

# Save the new contents back
success = bot.finish_edit_page(page, contents, r"""Removed history related parameters -- If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox for authorship. Keep in mind "my preferences" -> "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed".""")
if success == False:
print(" ! unable to save changes.")
with open('infobox_author_removal.badlist.txt', 'a') as fh:
fh.write("EE\tUnable to save changes: %s\n" % page)
else:
print(" corrected.")

print("")

if cont == None:
print("")
print("No more continuation")
sys.exit(0)

# Load the next set of pages
pages, cont = bot.get_embeddedin_pagetitles("Template:DnD Base Class Infobox", cont)

print("Continue at:")
print(cont)</pre>
:--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:48, 9 January 2012 (MST)

::It's also worth mentioning that this particular user has been blanking pages outside of the rules and guidelines of dandwiki. Please do not do that. Propose deletion instead, or make a discussion about it. Never just blank a page, as that can and often is seen as vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:35, 23 February 2012 (MST)

== Deity Ranks ==

For some reason their is an error with the deity pages. In the Divine Rank field, when you enter in an applicable information it comes up as {{{DR}}} on the actual page. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 05:55, 12 January 2012 (MST)

:I made the divine rank parameter only show up when text is present in that parameter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:55, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Forging your own items ==

Hey! if you reach certain level, are you able to forge, or even create your own weapons, armor, ect. Cuz i wanna make "shell armor" (armor resembling the shell of an armadillo.) --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 22:38, 9 January 2012 (MST)

:In which edition? In 4e they removed it because it did not fit the heroic intents of the game. Feel free to make the [[4e Equipment|armor]] and buy it though or make a [[4e Rules|variant rule]] about crafting in 4e. In 3.5e I would recommend making the item and then all you have to do is use [[SRD:Craft (Skill)|Craft]] (Armorsmithing) to make it in-game. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:51, 10 January 2012 (MST)

== Flaw submission problem ==

Hi Green Dragon,
Just signed up for D&D Wiki, though I've been here before.
I'm trying to submit a character flaw, and the only thing that shows up on the character flaws page is the title, but none of the description and whatnot. Am I doing something wrong, or do the submissions have to be reviewed first? I'll paste the flaw here so maybe you can tell me if the coding is wrong or something... Thanks! =edit= Pasted it in and only that one line shows up.. Argh..

{{3.5e Flaw
|name= Large Breasts
|types= General
|summary= Generally, your large breasts tend to get in the way.
|drawback= For whatever reason, your character has been quite well -ahem- endowed. As a result, ever since coming of age your character has noticed a few drawbacks. For one, any Acrobatic checks the character makes take a -5 penalty. The penalty is increased by 1 for each cup size the female has above D.
Additionally, any time the character needs to squeeze through a tight spot, her breasts will get in the way again. Any time she has to squeeze through a small tunnel, doorway, escape through a small window, or even push her way through a group of people, she must make an Escape artist check equal to 10 + 1/2 her character level rounded down. The same rule of 1 added to the DC for each size larger than D cup size applies here as well.
|roleplay= Generally this can be used for humor's sake, or for misfortune's sake that is up to your DM and how good of a sense of humor he has. I was a very humorous DM with a gentleman who had a curvy female Ninja, and invariably he would mess up the acrobatics roll, so we started joking about her breasts getting in the way, hence this flaw's creation; "Well Dustin, because you chose to build such a well rounded character... Would you care to roll your acrobatics check to jump from that rooftop to the next? A 19. Well normally that jump's DC would be 15. However, since you built such a 'well rounded' character, your DC was 21 because of her DD size chest you keep bragging about. Well luckily you did make the jump, but because of the unequal weight distribution, your character takes a bit of a tumble upon landing, and doesn't land on her feet but rather her stomach and face. She isn't hurt, well, maybe her pride is".

|prereqs= Must be FEMALE, Must have breasts of D size or greater
|benefit= This flaw gives two benefits: 1 extra feat, and a +2 on Diplomacy checks with any male or female who is attracted to your character
|normal=
|special= The +2 to Diplomacy only works if your character has 16 Charisma or higher!
}}

----

:Green Dragon,
::I would like to see this flaw removed. It is immoral. Please, remove it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:12, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::And pages like [[Juvenile Hypertrophy (3.5e Trait)]] and [[Elves, Fey (3.5e Race)‎]]. Feel free to add [[Template:Delete]] or [[Template:Wording]] to them and see what happens. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:54, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::I am unaware of a policy that requires removal of content based on Axl's morality. If this becomes a real debate, expect strong push-back from me. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 13:36, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::I understand the policy situation, however if Axl could give a convincing reason for the disregarding of that policy it would get done. This is coming from "''[[Meta Pages#Policies|[i]f a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining D&D Wiki, ignore it]]''". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I could understand if the feat was blatantly offensive to a reasonable person(happens to be the definition of pornography in the US, as far as the law is concerned), but if a feat is of an adult theme, and well written, I see no way that removing it would improve the wiki. In the above mentioned feat, I feel it is poorly written, but maintains good taste, if a little tongue in cheek. Also, if someone were to desire to make an anime themed character, such traits would really help flesh it out(pun intended). --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 15:06, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::I agree that it could be hard, but one could argue that it is picking an audience while disregarding other audiences (what if someone is not attracted to large breasts, for example). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::It is my understanding that we do not yield to moral, ethical, or social quandaries of any single user, with the content on this site, in regards to the subject matter of the content. Slap an adult disclaimer on the page to fulfill our obligations towards younger or inappropriate audiences, and if Axl wants to propose deletion, let him be met by the community. Otherwise, it'd stay as it is, I believe. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 19:53, 29 March 2012 (MDT)

==Review Request System==

I've noticed that it can be somewhat difficult to get reviews on user content, usually requiring contacting individual reviewers to ask for a review. Now, this system does work, but it is far from optimal, especially for newer users on the wiki. What I propose is a new template, say, <nowiki>{{requestreview}}</nowiki>, that would effectively generate a list of completed pages that the author would like feedback on. I don't know a lot about templates, but I don't think it should be especially difficult to start this up. It is my opinion that we'll end up with higher-quality pages overall if we do this. What do you think? -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 13:20, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:That's not a bad idea (and it'd be really easy to implement -- just have the template add pages to [[:Category:NeedsReview]] or whatever). I see two flaws with it though. 1) a lot of people who post content... don't exactly stick around. We'd need some sort of criteria for removing pages from the category. This shouldn't be a big issue, really. 2) as I've argued [[Discussion:I think it's time to change the rating system|here]], the rating system is very much messed up and in need of a fix. We really should fix that before we ask people to use it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:00, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::The first issue could be fixed fairly easily, with a bot that removes the template if it was added over two weeks ago, although I don't know it that is feasible. Thus abandoned pages, or pages that have been rated, would drop off the list in two weeks.

::I agree with you about the rating system being messed up, but it does provide a way to get feedback on pages. That is to say, it may not work well, but it's better than nothing. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:43, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::I changed the protection for [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. Feel free to add a requestreview template and then I will lock it up again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:08, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::Okay, I think I did it right, but I'm not sure. I used the others as a guide for formatting, so it should work okay, but I'm notoriously bad at coding. My apologies if I broke the page. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 16:21, 24 January 2012 (MST)

:::::I locked [[Template:Reviewing Template]] back up. It looks good, and I think that after someone reviews the page the template can get removed. I don't think that we need a time frame. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:13, 24 January 2012 (MST)

::::::I'm not sure you understood the meaning behind the template. The idea was to provide a way for users to request feedback on a page through the rating system. I should have been more clear about that; looking back, I realize now that I wasn't at all clear about what I meant. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 08:40, 25 January 2012 (MST)

:::::::Well the rating system is not wiki-wide (since [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] is a much better option). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 25 January 2012 (MST)

== Trying to do this right. ==

So I recently created an optimized character build, a melee oriented Dread Necromancer, and I was wondering if you could help me clean it up a bit (with formatting and such). I would like it too look professional, and I simply lack the wiki know how to do so.

Please and thank you,
Eonir

Link: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Melee_Specialized_Dread_Necromancer_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)

:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:58, 31 January 2012 (MST)

== Adding an SRD Class ==

I would like to add the Favored Soul class to the wiki. How would I go about doing so?

:The Favored Soul from [[Complete Divine]] is not licensed under the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]] so it cannot be posted here. If you want to, however, you can make more [[Publication List|publications]] look like Complete Divine therefore being more useable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:26, 1 February 2012 (MST)

::I assume you mean going into books like [[Magic of Incarnum|Magic of Incarnum]] and updating some of the pertinent information there?--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:32, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::Right. That is the closest we can get to letting people know about classes such as the Favored Soul. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:39, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::: Got it. I will start on that one. Thanks! --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:40, 1 February 2012 (MST)

:::::Could you do me a favor and check the [[Publication List|publications]] I have updated, please. I want to make sure I am doing the right thing before I continue with any others. The list of what I have worked on is on my user page. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 6 March 2012 (MST)

::::::The publications that you improved are much better. You are definitely doing the right thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:53, 8 March 2012 (MST)

:::::::Thanks for checking them out.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:57, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Changing the Feat Section ==

I have a suggestion GD. I noticed while adding 3.5e feats they don't instantly add to the tables, I checked the code and noticed that each feat has to placed into the table. Wouldn't it be faster and more efficent for adding new feats if it worked like the Spell List section?--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:01, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:Yes. Some of those pages are very old and are not dynamic. Others, however, are. For example [[DnD Heritage Feats]] is the most useful version, but problems still exist (why are there those "—"'s at the end). Yes, they should all be updated to the DnD Heritage Feats. Also [[Template:3e Feat Table Row Test L2]] needs to be corrected (that is where the problem is coming from). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::GD, while we are on the subject of feats, is there a way we can add feats from the other published items, i.e. [[Complete Divine]] to the Feat tables, or are we going to keep those seperate? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:07, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::Since they cannot be used in a game (the mechanics are not present) we will not. Feats from [[3.5e Open Game Content]] are supposed to be added, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:40, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::What if we added the mechanics? Or can we? Maybe I am just confused. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:47, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::We cannot add the mechanics. They are not licensed under an appropriate license, notably the [[Open Game License v1.0a|OGL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:50, 9 February 2012 (MST)

::::::OK, I will stick with the brief summaries. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:52, 9 February 2012 (MST)

:::::::Brief quotes (research papers do this) or summaries (think about movie summaries for example) should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 9 February 2012 (MST)

== Race creation ==

Hey, I'm sorry for writing on your little guied line page. I'm a bit confused on where I'm soupose to start the creation. You see, the setting isint the same as I last visited. Whenever I type in a name for my race I'm sent to the guide line page. I'm not sure where to start my race page. After being sent to guide lines page where do I go?

:After using the inputbox on [[4e Races]] can you scroll to the bottom of that page and is there then an edit box? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:53, 12 February 2012 (MST)

== Campaign dieties ==

GD, I know yo have been adding dieties, but I was wondering if there is a particular place where dieties such as Reorx from Dragonlance, Dol Darn from Eberron, or even Lolth from the Realms be listed? Would I create a "pantheon" on your handy-dandy dieties page and specify "Dragonlance Dieties" and list them or do yo have a better suggestion? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:09, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:You can make a pantheon for them. Please, however, do not add the deities since they are not OGC. Take a look at [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]] for inspiration on completing such a task while keeping it within the licensing situation. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:16, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::I am sorry, but I am going to need some clarification. I can make the pantheon and list their names and a brief summary, or don't even mention their names? If I can submit the pantheon, would it look a bit like what Wikipedia has if you typed in "Dragonlance Dieties?" --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 10:49, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::You can mention their names. Yes, "Dragonlance Deities" is great information, but I don't think that is a pantheon. Start with a pantheon and then we can talk about the individual deities.
:::The wording does not need to be just a "brief summary". As long as you wrote it (or it is licensed appropriately) you can write it, like [[Outer Planes (3.5e Environment)]], explaining the situation to the unknowing reader. Using this wording you will be able to cover the topic well enough, I think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:01, 22 February 2012 (MST)

::::Well, for Dragonlance there are twenty-five dieties for most ages, and that number drops by one during the Age of Mortals. Dwarves don't believe in one set, elves another etc. It really is one pantheon. I will create a page as an example, and if it doesn't work, we can delete it, and my feelings won't be hurt. That work for you? --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 11:17, 22 February 2012 (MST)

:::::That's fine, and if it is a pantheon then I am wrong– but that does not mean your page will be wrong. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:19, 22 February 2012 (MST)

== Deletions ==

Hi Green Dragon, if I can just get a clarification on what I've been calling "only author requests deletion" (which has mostly been cases where a contributor realizes they've made some fundamental mistake, and no other contributors have been involved). If I understand correctly 1) This is okay as long as it's gone through the normal minimum 2 weeks of being tagged for deletion without being contested, and 2) "only contributor requests deletion" ''itself'' isn't a deletion rationale - the article must be considered on its own merits. Correct?

Thanks again for your support and advice. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:41, 29 February 2012 (MST)

Also... ''so much spam removed!'' I feel like I'm doing spring cleaning. Still a lot to do though. If you get chance, I advise looking into an alternative to reCaptcha, as apparently the spambot writers have found an exploit in it. This is why so many forums and wikis that use reCaptcha have been hit hard by spam from January onwards. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 13:46, 29 February 2012 (MST)

:I already mentioned this on Marasmusine's [[User_Talk:Marasmusine|talk]] page, but there's a reCapcha alternative that uses a different system. Perhaps if we used both systems that would help. -[[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:24, 29 February 2012 (MST)

::The page must be considered on its own merits. Keep in mind "I want this done", "it should be so", etc are not legitimate reasons. Deletion is about the page– we don't care what people think (it would make for too many situations where subjectivity rules). For example please see [[Blackstone Knight (3.5e Class)]].
::I'll see what is a good route for this spam problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:56, 2 March 2012 (MST)
:::Oki doki. I've been at Wikipedia so long that their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion speedy deletion] process is ingrained in me (in this case, their criteria G7). Clearly some of these criteria we do have (G11 for spam, and I would hope G10 and G12. Also G9 would effectively be your right as site owner) but I will otherwise adjust my thinking :)
:::On a related note, at Wikipedia an admin wouldn't delete an article that they themselves proposed for deletion. That way at least two users have reviewed an article before it's removed. Similarly, I don't intend to delete anything at [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] that I've personally tagged (unless you think that's OK). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 01:53, 3 March 2012 (MST)

::::Ya, all those speedy deletion reasons seem pretty good.
::::I would wait and see what happens to the pages you make candidates. If their reason is a speedy deletion reason then I would encourage the opposite behavior of waiting, but in other instances it makes sense. Use precedents when possible and if there are no precedents then use your judgement I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:27, 3 March 2012 (MST)

:::::Honestly, if we kept by a policy that you can't delete anything that you've tagged, the category would never get cleaned up. For instance, a while back I went through a bunch of the d20 Modern stuff to add deletion tags; there's not really anyone else on the wiki who's into d20 Modern, so nobody commented on the deletion tags. I just waited significantly longer than the traditional 2 weeks before deleting anything. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:02, 10 March 2012 (MST)

::Silverkin, what reCaptcha alternative are you talking about? I'd be happy to implement whatever will help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:43, 18 March 2012 (MDT)

== What am I doing wrong with starting discussions? ==

GD, I know I had this issue before, and thought I fixed it. Why aren't my discussions showing up in the table? I follow all instructions as far as creating them, but for some reason it will not show up in the table. Here's what I tried to put in today: [[Discussion:Has anyone played the Dragonheart Mage Prestige?]]. Thanks. --[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:54, 6 March 2012 (MST)

:You needed the page to be in the discussion namespace. If that was the only one, then it is now showing up. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:33, 8 March 2012 (MST)

== Unblock an IP ==

Hi GD, [[User:Geomax]] contacted me saying his IP is blocked. His actual account isn't blocked but I don't think I have the permissions to check is IP. Can you look into this? Thanks. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 00:49, 7 March 2012 (MST)

:Having said that, he appears to be able to edit pages. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 07:59, 7 March 2012 (MST)

::I just checked and yes, none of [[User:Geomax]]'s IPs are blocked. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:15, 7 March 2012 (MST)

== Tirr Campaign ==

The Tirr Campaign is a work in progress. Please stop vandalizing and removing its campaign specific pages. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:33, 21 March 2012 (MDT)

:No pages have removed. They have been moved. I should have dealt with the links. See also [[3.5e Environments]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:08, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::Those are campaign specific pages, and you're moving them to generic environment and deity categories, as well as changing names of pages to names that are incorrect and do not reflect the nature of the pages (Such as the Pantheon of Tirr), and you have not followed through on every conversion, as some links remain unchanged, even if you seemed to have reason for what you're doing. As I've seen, there have been no rules or guideline changes that support your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Campaign, and only few categories of pages, so any claim to otherwise is not supported by your actions. As such, your actions should be considered vandalism. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:10, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::You are claiming to be the sole author of pages that I have created and maintained in your reasons for deleting and moving them. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:14, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::Is that what their history shows? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::Since you have deleted said pages, I cannot see their history; Before the unnecessary moving and deleting, and after it, I was essentially the only contributor with the exception of your supposed corrections. Why are you vandalizing my campaign pages? Again, there's no policy defending your actions, and you've only targeted the Tirr Setting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:26, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::I've taken this discussion primarily to the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Page]] to gain perspective and forum, as well as to make suggestion in order to achieve clarification regarding this matter. I reserve further discussion for that. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:27, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::1) check the history before stating such things. 2) Do not bring discussions to the main page about a certain campaign setting (how do those relate?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:24, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Your edits on the recent changes page, regarding the deleted pages, are a part of the history, I assume. I cannot check the articles history when it has been deleted, but your statement as reason for a deletion is what I was referring to. Secondly, the discussion on the main pages is regarding the policies of campaign settings in general, though you know that, now. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 14:56, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::What deleted article's history do you need checked? I can look at them if you give me a link to the original title. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:57, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::It is largely irrelevant, now, though I appreciate the offer. When this was still an issue and the actions were still questionable, it appeared that he was moving my articles and deleting the old ones, saying he was the sole author in his editing reasons, which show up on the recent changes page. Now that I understand his actions, it is unnecessary. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:04, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::Ok. The only thing I could find that he deleted were the redirect pages that were created when he moved pages. In this case the "and the only contributor was Green Dragon" text that comes up is automatic from the system, not something GD would have added himself. Moving and removing pages can get a little weird sometimes. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:12, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Thank you. I will keep that in mind, in the future. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:21, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::Histories are moved with the pages. Try it sometime. Look at a page's history, move it, and see what happens to the history. It will all go to the new location, the moving history will be added, and the old page will get a new history (the moved history). So removing one's edits are done in an entirely different manner. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:44, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Policies ==

I thought I had made it clear I no longer wish for anything I've posted here to remain. "Not a good enough reason?" Must I copyright everything I've written or something?! --[[User:ScryersEve|Scryer's Eve]] ([[User_talk:ScryersEve|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ScryersEve|contribs]]) 14:40, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

:This happens periodically and it's always the same: by posting to this website you are giving up full control of your work. It is not a depository of copyrighted information, it is a collaborative work environment. Every time you edit you agree to the disclaimer "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." There's been legal arguments back and forth, but short of a real copyright lawyer sending cease and desist letters the outcome will be the same as it always has been: "not wanting something" is not a good enough reason to delete any page on the wiki. If it can be deleted for any reason listed in our deletion policy, then and only then can it be a candidate for deletion. (Note that even when you delete something it is still accessible. Admins can read every edit of every deleted page ever put on the wiki. Even if you ''did'' have copyright over the things you submit the software won't allow us to permanently delete something so we still are in violation of copyright.) Note that IANAL, but the policy's been this way from the get-go, and I really don't anticipate Green Dragon changing it any time soon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:15, 22 March 2012 (MDT)

::I believe there was a clause in the v1.2 legislation that stated this only applied when "not the sole contributor of" the content; basically meaning that if you were the only editor of that specific page, it belonged to you. That said, I am not sure if that remains or of the status of the pages mentioned. Either way, given the unique nature of wiki machinations, copyright in regards to unpublished DnD content has an incredibly bleak level of enforceability, if there is such a word, and as above, nothing short of a legally binding cease and desist order will be effective if the administrator is in opposition to the removal. Whether we believe your content should be removed or not is irrelevant, in this case, I'm afraid, so I cannot offer help. It's either Green Dragon's Consent or getting a legal document to enforce the claim. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 00:05, 23 March 2012 (MDT)

:::Nope. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:07, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

::::{{Warning/Text}} [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 02:28, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

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:::::What about that was lying, direct rudeness or ill-considered accusations? You cannot dictate what I think, after all. I know my thoughts quite well, and what I've thought in the past, and present. And we do have a problem with IPs and bots. And he can take his articles elsewhere, if he wants, leaving the ones he has here, well, here. You appear to be warning me out of anger for other concurrent discussions, as this hardly qualifies as what you've labelled it. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 15:01, 26 March 2012 (MDT)

== Anti-Christ ==

Hi GD, just want to confer with you on this one. I see [[Anti-Christ (3.5e Class)]] was briefly discussed above as an example of an article that is "complete" but universally derided. As it has now been tagged for deletion for over a year now without improvement, and no-one has contested the deletion proposal, I've gone ahead and removed it (and good riddance in my opinion).

I'd like your opinion on that - I'll restore it if you think it needs to remain. Thanks, [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:05, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:Ya. If that page had been improved I may say don't, but it looks to me like someone just made it to but a lot of overpowered "dark" class features together to become a "critique on religion". Not only did it seem ineffective, it did not make use of D&D well and deletion seems warranted to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:15, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

::Hah, yes, I've ''have'' been checking "what links here" but sometimes when there's a complete clusterflap of redirects I end up missing some. For example, <s>Talk:Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s> was listed for deletion and that led me on a merry chase to get <s>Talk:Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls, LotR (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (LotR Race)</s>, <s>Talk:Trolls (DnD Race)</s>, <s>Trolls (DnD Race)</s> and <s>Trolls Ã¢â‚¬â€LotR (DnD Race)</s>! Thanks for catching the ones I missed.

::I can also regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. And, oh my goodness, have you seen [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 09:58, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

:::I should have looked closer as many of the deleted pages related to the same page (I now see that). When that happens I make mistakes sometimes too, since keeping track of the tabs can be lost in the process. I understand where you are coming from.
:::You can regularly check [[Special:BrokenRedirects]]. I keep thinking that sometime someone will make a bot (a kinda smart one) that will deal with those pages. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:04, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== Help - IP confusion ==

My brother(who I live with) is having some trouble registering an account.

He wrote a message to you that I am passing on, since he is unable to send it himself.

I hope you are able to help fix the problem.

That said, here is my brother's message:

Hello

When trying to create an account on the site, I got the first error, then when trying to contact you, I got the second error.
However, my IP is not even close to the one that is supposed to be blocked.
I used whatismyipaddress.com to double check, and with this message, I include a link to a screen shot, showing the results of that site.

First error:

Cannot create account

Account creation from this IP address (173.245.53.168) has been blocked by Green Dragon.

The reason given by Green Dragon is Spamming links to external sites

Second error:

Permission error

You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason:

Your username or IP address has been blocked.

The block was made by Green Dragon. The reason given is Spamming links to external sites.

Start of block: 15:05, 29 March 2012
Expiry of block: indefinite
Intended blockee: 173.245.53.168

You can contact Green Dragon or another administrator to discuss the block. You cannot use the 'e-mail this user' feature unless a valid e-mail address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 173.245.53.168, and the block ID is #2309. Please include all above details in any queries you make.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/69592454.jpg/
{{unsigned|Sirmethos}}

:I have unblocked the IP. Let me know if this helps! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:44, 3 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP unblock works ==

Hey

This is the aforementioned brother, who has now been able to create an account, so the unblocking of the IP works.
Many thanks :) {{unsigned|Kainboa}}

:No Problem. Welcome! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:29, 4 April 2012 (MDT)

== Wrongfully IP Blocked ==

Hello friend, I attempted to make an account several days ago and was unable to until 4/5/2012, as apparently my IP specifically was blocked for 'spamming links' to outside sites. Unfortunately, I had no account to begin with until this moment here. So i'm unsure if someone was just using my IP to spam the D&D Wiki itself given I had no account at the time.

As such, I was unable to communicate with any of the personnel (admins) until 4/5/2012+, I think it might be in the best interest to provide emails on the admin user pages that do not require me to go to user only pages should this arise for other individuals, when one doesn't have an account in the first place. I've been fairly patient and merely want to let you know about this.

Thanks, Lord Valarath Ti'nirion

You may reach me at valarath@hotmail.com, or my talk page here [[LValarath]] Thanks again for your time.

:I'm pretty sure that if you try to edit a page a message should come up with a link for you to email the blocker. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:55, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

Unfortunately, I didn't have an account at the time, so, editing wasn't an option and didn't bring up much of anything, but, I do appreciate the response, thanks! --[[User:LValarath|Valarath]]

6/5/2012

== Ursanare vital stats ==

I found the Ursanare page and have decided to create a campaign that involves them. My problem for this is that the page dosen't include the ageing effects and random age/weight/height systems. I like to develop my NPCs based on these stats. If you could add that(or if you could let me do it), I would be grateful.

Thanks for your time,
Rick Keller
--JhessianZ

:Feel free to add vital statistics. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:53, 11 April 2012 (MDT)

== IP continues to randomly boost articles ==

As the title states, we've been having a number of anonymous edits lately, boosting attributes of various races, classes, and even some flaws and feats. They're also removing templates from articles, such as balance concerns and April Fools' Disclaimers. The IP in question is 71.217.38.58. I know you've banned similar IPs, possibly the same person refreshing his addresses or something, but is there a way to take care of him, and if so, please do, if you've no qualms with doing so. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 06:07, 12 April 2012 (MDT)

== Homebrew Disclaimer ==

On a forum I frequent, there was a common complaint about this site, this complaint being that most new players get confused thinking that the homebrew material is WotC material. Would there be a way to place a disclaimer or similar on the homebrew pages. If so then I would assist in placing the disclaimer on the pages.

This would likely increase the credibility of this site. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 02:30, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:So, at the moment, we have things the other way round, with the SRD pages having the disclaimer. "Homebrew" is mentioned in the breadcrumb at the bottom of homebrew pages, but do you think it would be better to have some kind of disclaimer at the top? [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:28, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::I am aware of the SRD in the Titles, the OGL templates, and the information at the bottom of every page. But it seems that isn't enough for others (not 100% sure why). I think it would be best for a disclaimer to be placed at the top of the homebrew pages.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 03:42, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::Homebrew, is part of the name. Part of the category. Part of the very definition of the word, for Pete's sake. 'Homebrew' in and of itself means, 'Not WotC material'. Break it down. Just look at the word. 'Home' and 'Brew'. Combined. Or? "Made at home." Thus, 'Homebrew' ...Now? Your saying you already know this? Good. Thats good. (But!) ...Some people don't. And 'we', the community, need to post a disclaimer to help these stray puppies out. Right? Som because they don't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', which is everywhere! You click on it. ...We need to do more work?! NO WAY. That's nuts! Let em' rot! If you are not educated enough to understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew', you are not educated enough to be playing this game. Let alone participating in the building and development of this website. This community does not pander to mobs. (All yours GD. Take it away.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:45, 16 April 2012 (MDT)
::::I know where Milo is coming from though. I recently spoke to a player new to the game, interested in using one of our 3.5e classes, and I ''think'' she was under the impression that it was "offical". In this case the class was rather complicated and undefined in areas and she was disappointed when I suggested it would need an experienced player and DM to run. Still, I'm not sure how any amount of disclaimerage would help. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 04:04, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::Jay, while we understand the difference perfectly and see it as clear as day, it seems this is a huge problem in the eyes of the D&D Community. So if you don't want to help make this wiki a better site you shouldn't be the type of person allowed to participating in the building and development of this website.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:10, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::Milo. Your words wound me, my friend. Lets stay objective here. Your 'Forum Community' has a problem with this site. Not the D&D Community as a whole. Naughty naughty. Thus, you requested a massive change in size and scope. Come on. Let's be real here. If your 'Forum Community' can't understand the meaning of the word 'Homebrew'. Then no 'Disclaimer' this-side-of-Kansas is going to help them. I'm not insulting your friends. Just trying to avoid pasteing the words ''(Homebrew: Not WotC: Not SRD: 3.5e: Which is not 4e: Or 5e either:)'' ...above every article on the site. I have standards for intelligence. And my standard score for this website is +0 for rolled stats. Anything lower? And we shouldn't be pandering. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:33, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::Jay, you don't seem to actually grasp the reason behind my suggestion. As it isn't intelligence that is the problem with the individuals. It is actually ignorance. People who have only recently started to play likely wouldn't notice the fact that the page doesn't have SRD in the title and might not have even heard of SRD, also they likely wouldn't read the footer of the page.

:::::::As for this sites reputation, it is commonly known in the D&D community as being horrible. The reason I mention the forum I frequent is because it was a Thread on that forum that raised this suggestion. My forum community does understand the word Homebrew (which is evident as it has a Homebrew section), but the problem lies in the friends of them who are new to play the game and end up asking to use the homebrew material. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 04:46, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::Alright man. I can't convince you. I get it. But is it really our communities job as a DnD Wiki to educate every single new gamer in the universe? Edit every article again and again until the world 'gets it'. ...I'll let you pick your battles. Go ahead and fight the good fight. But I've been there man. ...And your walking a long and lonely road. No good dead goes unpunished eh? Good luck. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:53, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::I agree with Jay on this. This wiki has a very short learning curve. If you come here, and read the help file, you will know these are not "Official". I don't think having a template, or even making the whole page bright red will educate them. Also, a template at the top of just about every article would be hideous. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 07:01, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::Strangely I have been on this site for 4 years and has never been on any of the help pages. And this wiki's learning curve is rather flat, it expects everyone to already understand what SRD and Homebrew. While that is generally fine, most people outside of this site see this as a serious problem. As for the look, it wouldn't be like a Deletion Template, I was thinking more the OGL Top template. I suggest it says something such as ''The following content is unofficial content and is not endorsed by Wizards of the Coast.'' that at the top of the page would likely suffice.

:::::::::This whole problem comes from new players who come to this site, they don't seem to come from the main page, instead coming from an article. This means they likely will not notice the page is part of the homebrew section. If one of the first things they notice is this disclaimer I believe it will help stop misunderstandings. I aim for this suggestion to help the reputation of this site.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::I think that it is unimportant whether any of us believe we should, or should not, teach people things we believe they should already know. We, as editors, and possibly the core of the community as it stands, only have one duty: To maintain this site, a '''wiki''', in a way that leads to the greatest possible level of accessibility and communicates the greatest possible level of understanding of its content. If this change, a top-level policy change, can be considered ultimately beneficial with little to no change in the function of our little encyclopedia, then we should do it.

::::::::::Simply put, its not a whole lot of work to just stick a new template into any page we see lacking it, and we are better for it. Whether we should have to, or not, is largely irrelevant to our duty as editors. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 08:27, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::I am definately in agreement with JW. People just need to pay attention to all details they read and apply some common sense rules. To me "Homebrew" means created by other players. Also, on the [[3.5e Open Game Content]] page, it lists what SRD is. There shouldn't be any confusion. Isn't to me, and I know I am not the brightest bulb in the fixture.--[[User:Irykyl| Irykyl]] 09:23, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

::::::::::::Can you change the background by namespace? Then we could just watermark such a message on the SRD namespace and a different one in the Main namespace (for example). Templateing all the pages with such a template is pointless. Working within the namespaces is the only real option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I always asked Blue Dragon and Tarkis about stuff like that. Somebody who knew more about Wiki Coding and shortcuts. I don't have an answer for you GD. Sorry man. Maybe one of these other guys is familiar with namespaces. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:26, 16 April 2012 (MDT)

== Images for OGC pages ==

I have talked to a lot of fellow D&D players located here in Saskatchewan, Canada and they seem to all have a similar request. They would love to see the Open Game Content pages to contain picture of the weapons/armor/items/creatures since most do not have descriptions. I know it is a big request with the massive amount of pages, but most of them feel that if the Homebrew pages are required to have pictures, so should the OGC pages.

I am a big fan of this site and use it all the time. I just wanted to say thank you for all the work you do here.

--[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] 11:54, 22 April 2012 (MDT)

:I think that is a great idea. Do you have some images to put on those pages? I can give you permissions to do that if you have some images. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:58, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Sounds like a fun project... I am willing to take the time (when I have it) to add the images. --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 20:22, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::Which images? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:40, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

== Redirect deleting and Captcha ==

Hi GD, two quickies:
#Is it necessary for deletion proposals for "unneeded redirects" and "double redirects" to go through the two-week incubation period for deletions, or can I treat them as "speedy deletions"? I'm weary about having to add a delete template to every page in [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] rather than dealing with them straight away.
#Regarding an alternative to Captcha, [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Anti-spam_features#CAPTCHAs MediaWiki] suggests " Asirra CAPTCHA" as an alternative (which asks users to distinguish between cats and dogs), might be worth looking into. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 14:00, 24 April 2012 (MDT)

Do people have to pass CAPTCHA to create an account? if so, it isn't working. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] 16:33, 24 April 2012 (MDT)
::It works generally, but there are tools go get past it ("decaptcha"). If it works 99.99% of the time, a modest 10000 daily spambot hits can still create 10 registered accounts per day. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:10, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:I'd think it should be considered "delete at-will" or speedy deletion worthy in respect to content; In regards to Unneeded Redirects, there usually is ''no'' content on the page to be deleted, and therefore seems like a justified deletion. That said, still Green Dragon's call. Just making commentary in favor. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:15, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::As normal, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion Wikipedia:Criteria for Speedy Deletion] is applicable. With regard to G7 the non-criteria below, "''Author deletion requests made in bad faith''", affirms that G7 is not a problem with its multi-sided nature. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 25 April 2012 (MDT)
:::I hadn't noticed that caveat before... good call. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 10:17, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:For some reason it is making me go through CAPTCHA and because of the blocks on my computer I can't click the request access button would there be some way for me to bypass it or something.----[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 21:23, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

::Nevermind, for some reason it is gone. And I can access the site again.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:14, 25 April 2012 (MDT)

:We had stuck with ReCaptcha for so long because I really appreciate the digitizing books aspect of it. It's a pity that it's not working so well anymore! I've moved over to FancyCaptcha now. Please let me know if it keeps on letting such large amounts of spam through. Thanks, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:11, 8 May 2012 (MDT)

::Thanks BD, I hope it works, as tagging all those articles is getting old. --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 07:08, 9 May 2012 (MDT)
:::Well, we have a different ''kind'' of spam now, with long markov-chain titles. It might be less frequent now, I'll give it a few more days and then run some statistics. BTW my wife has given birth to a beautiful baby girl so I will be a bit less active for a while. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 11:50, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Congratulations, Marasmusine, best wishes to your wife and little girl! --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 13:16, 11 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::Congratulations as well Marasmusine! I hope all is going well. With regards to the spam problem, I'm trying something out that might set us apart enough from "the flock" that spam bots will decide to pursue their advertising elsewhere (I also tried to clean the spam up a bit, hopefully we're in a better place now). I setup the CAPTCHA so that one of the letters has been removed from one of the words. To correctly pass the CAPTCHA, the missing letter must be filled in. Of course, if a spammer really cares to counter this technique it would be trivial, but I'm hoping if D&D Wiki is the only site doing it, the spam will stop coming. Please let me know if anyone runs into any problems, or if you have a better idea! (I've had no luck getting Asirra working well across different systems---I might pursue this again in a few months). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 08:35, 19 August 2012 (MDT)

== d&d wiki media ==

Hi GD, there are a large number of [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Category:Deletion_candidate deletion candidates] at our media wiki. Some are copyright infringements, some are unused images (I assume that D&D Wiki is the only site that uses D&D Wiki Media). I don't have admin privileges over there so I don't know if you want to handle it or can allow me to go through them. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] 03:02, 26 April 2012 (MDT)

:Bump! [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 03:45, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

::GD, In addition to the above issue, the media wiki is also [http://media.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30&namespace=2 reeking with spam]. Please consider giving me admin status there so I can start cleaning up. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 15:45, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

:::I made all the admins on D&D Wiki admins on D&D Wiki Media as well. Some of those images, though, actually are used so I would not delete them so speedily (make sure to check ''on D&D Wiki'' since the links do not work across sites). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 16:46, 20 May 2012 (MDT)

::::Okay, I'll find alternate images where possible. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 00:24, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::I mean that images like [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Godward_The_Delphic_Oracle.jpg] are actually used in Endhaven (I don't know how that was marked as "unused"). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 09:35, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

::::::Gotcha, I'll double-check such things. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 12:08, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:::::::D&D Wiki Media Repository has been merged into D&D Wiki so the spam is countered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:38, 27 May 2012 (MDT)

== Page of traits and flaws malfunctioning ==

Hi Peter. So the page of traits and flaws has some problem. It has something with the database. Could you, or send some one, to see what's he problem?
I would, but I'm new with the wiki technology.
Thx for the atention.

== Formatting Issues affecting a large portion of the site have appeared recently; Needs attention ==

So, here's hoping this isn't just my browser, but for some reason, I'm seeing a lot of strange formatting issues on most pages: Balance Templates are aligned left, and Category boxes are now vertical. I looked through recent changes, but couldn't find anything that would have been relevant. Anyone see the same things, and if so, got any ideas on how to rectify it? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 08:28, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

:Its the upgrade. I think the alignment is a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]] (the part about alignment options) and the categories we are still unsure about. Not positive how to fix the first problem though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 11:41, 9 May 2012 (MDT)

::The last update, as far as the wiki's history says, was on the seventh of April, though. I don't the problem has been around for a month, at least, not that I've noticed. It literally just seemed to appear within the last week or two. Did you mean an upgrade in the webshell/backend? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] ([[User talk:Jwguy|talk]]) 10:46, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

:::MediaWiki's upgrade to 1.19.0. I should have got templates, but I am certain there are still more problems (e.g. categories). See the [[Template:News|news]] for information on how to proceed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 17:37, 10 May 2012 (MDT)

== Klas Wullt and his Settings ==

Hello.
I wonder if I can talk to someone generally about my setting.
I have been working hard to add some of the features I was suggested to, in order to raise it
to closer to 5/5 setting.
It might seem pretentious.
I have been off line a long time but now I am motivated again.

In particular I wonder about style advice.

== Welcome script ==

I think your script is creating welcome pages for deleted spam accounts(example:[[User talk:Neurigere1983|Neurigere1983]]) --[[User:Ganre|Ganre]] ([[User talk:Ganre|talk]]) 11:34, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

:Actually I don't use a script to welcome new users, so I just go down the new users log and click all the talk pages. It's easier for me to do all of them in case I make mistakes, so I can then see that they are all blue links. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 12:49, 21 May 2012 (MDT)

== Permanent Access ==

Hi GD, for some reason the site it's bloking me still. My PC is clean. So can you give permanent access to the D&D Wiki? Thx

:You will have to give me more information. Is it Cloudflare or MediaWiki? What is the error message that you are seeing? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] ([[User talk:Green Dragon|talk]]) 20:04, 28 May 2012 (MDT)

== Preload typos ==

There are a few spelling mistakes in the Class/Racial Paragon Class preload ("mulitplying", "Abbrieviated", "innapplicable") and the Prestige Class preload ("persue", "thows", "abreviated"). There's also well over three hundred pages that still have the errors in them, but that's probably not fixable.

== IP block problems ==

Hi GD, just want to let you know that [[User_talk:Marasmusine#What_is_this.3F|This problem happened again]]. I've unblocked the source account so hopefully our contributor can edit again, but perhaps you could check the IPs and make sure she's clear. I am not going to block any more spam accounts (spambot hits are one-shot affairs anyway, hardly seems any point in blocking them). [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 01:29, 10 June 2012 (MDT)

== Keeping track of new/ongoing discussions? ==
Hey, I asked a question on [[Help talk:Talk Pages]] but I figured my best odds of getting an answer were here. You might still want to reply on that page though (I'll put it on my watchlist). Thanks in advance! [[User:BOb666777|BOb666777]] ([[User talk:BOb666777|talk]]) 08:48, 21 June 2012 (MDT)

== Tisvelk ==

Hey, I created a race called the [[Tisvelk]]. I was hoping you could take a look at it and give me some advice, or just tell me what you think.

== problem adding a race ==

Hello, Just a quick question, I have put together a race to contribute on here and it says "When you're done creating your race's new page, don't forget to put an entry into the proper Level Adjusted Races table" how do you do that? I cant seem to figure it out. the name of the race is "Seafaring" It's a 3.5 LA=1
Thanks,
Steve
:Hi Steve, I've fixed this for you. The "comment" markers in [[Seafaring (3.5e Race)]] needed removing. At the bottom, it now says <nowiki>[[Category:LA1]]</nowiki> which means it's automatically listed at [[LA 1 Races]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:40, 25 June 2012 (MDT)

Thanks. Learn something new every day. :)

== I need some help with a build !! ==

Hi, i don't know who i can ask this, i'am new on this
community sorry.
I need some help with this build :

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sacred_Fist_of_the_Silver_Flame_%283.5e_Optimized_Character_Build%29

about the armor class, how can the monk wear a full armor plate and that does not lose the flurry
of blows, because the ability of the Shiba Protector from Faiths of Eberron:

Holy Armor (Ex): Beginning at 2nd level, you
retain the AC bonus granted by your monk levels
(including Wisdom bonus to AC), even when wearing
armor or carrying a shield or a medium or heavy load.
This doesn’t extend to any other monk class features
lost when wearing armor or carryinga load (such as fast
movement and flurry of blows).

does not let you wear armor and retain the flurry of blows ability.

thanks

dean_iper@hotmail.com

== armored flurry of blows feat, rating ! ==

hi, i would really appreciate an opinion for this feat, it's my first contribution, i'am new
here so i surely need some experience to become better.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Armored_flurry_of_blows_%283.5e_Feat%29

and i would like to ask you, where can i find my feat on this site, what category or else ??

:The Main talk page is really the best place to ask for page evaluations, but here's my advice. You should add some categories: type "<nowiki>[[Category:Flurry of Blows Feat]] [[Category:Martial Style Feat]] [[Category:3.5e]] [[Category:Feat]] [[Category:User]]</nowiki>" at the bottom. You could list it manually at [[3.5e Martial Style Feats]], but really that page needs rewriting so that it automatically lists the appropriate feats. Be aware that there is an almost identical feat, [[Armored Monk (3.5e Feat)]]. Those more familiar with Monks than me should discuss as to which is the more balanced. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (MDT)
:Also noticed that your feat doesn't use the preload. Try using the form at [[Add New DnD Character Option]]. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 08:02, 1 July 2012 (MDT)

thanks, but where in the main page can i ask for a rating ?
and what is this preload ?
i did the feat with the add new dnd charachter option!
:Hi Dean, you can sign your posts by type four tildes ("<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>"). The main talk page is at [[Talk:Main Page]]. Using the "Create New Feat" button would have "preloaded" a template and some categories into your page. You just need to fill in the template fields and it organizes the formatting for you. Have a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Armored_Monk_(3.5e_Feat)&action=edit this example] - if you like you can copy it over to your page and alter it as needed. [[User:Marasmusine|Marasmusine]] ([[User talk:Marasmusine|talk]]) 02:58, 2 July 2012 (MDT)

thank you for everything !!!

== Fixing the linking in the powers. ==
:Thank you very much for changing how the links work for those powers, I tried alot of combinations but couldn't get it to work properly. Also thank you for fixing the formatting in the class page I really appreciate it! --[[User:TechyKat|TechyKat]] ([[User talk:TechyKat|talk]]) 17:37, 5 July 2012 (MDT)

== Fox bad link ==

The link for Add your own [[Form:3.5 Creature Overview| Creature Overview]] says "page does not exist" on the [[3.5e Creature Overviews | 3.5e Creature Overviews]] page. Would it be possible to get this working or have a link to be able to create a 3.5 Creature Overview please?

Thanks --[[User:Korminor|Korminor]] ([[User talk:Korminor|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2012 (MDT)

== Lesser Deity List ==

I submitted a new Deity, "[[Yusograd the Free]]." I specified information about him on the main page, but it didn't show up on the [[3.5e Lesser Deities]] page (except his name). I saw that you were the main editor of that page, so I was wondering if you could explain and possibly fix the issue? I couldn't figure out how to edit the list (breadcrumb?), as it didn't show the actual items when I tried.
-[[User:Yusograd|Yusograd]] ([[User talk:Yusograd|talk]]) 18:22, 21 July 2012 (MDT)

== I'm not quite sure how to... ==

Hey Green Dragon,
:I was just wondering if I could somehow *cough (advertise)* help with my sourcebook, D&D 4.0 Future Sourcebook. It's a little slow going and I'm not on here often anymore. I just need a little bit of help. So, I don't know if I'm allowed to do that. Just let me know on my talk page, okay? It'll be best because I'll probably forget about the question and then I won't check over here (unless I do remember, but can you just contact me on my talk page?). Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] ([[User talk:Axl|talk]]) 18:28, 15 August 2012 (MDT)

Talk:Detect Alignment Variant Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)

2012-08-17T18:54:50Z

Blue Dragon: /* Too many links */ new section

MadMan(3.5e Class)

2012-08-17T18:41:22Z

Blue Dragon: Removed spam link

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== MadMan ==

He's Mad.

=== Making a Madman ===

'''Abilities:''' Strength and Dex.

'''Races:''' Human.

'''Alignment:''' Chaotic neutral.

'''Starting Gold:''' Gold?.

'''[[SRD:Race Descriptions#Starting Age|Starting Age]]:''' normal.

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|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|3rd|| class="left" | +3 || +3 || +1 || +1
| class="left" | Anger, Critical Precision +1
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|4th||class="left" | +4 || +4 || +1 || +1
| class="left" | Improved Trip
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|5th||class="left" | +5 || +4 || +1 || +1
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|6th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +5 || +2 || +2
| class="left" | Critical Precision +2
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|7th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +5 || +2 || +2
| class="left" | Recklessness
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|8th||class="left" | +8/+3 || + 6|| +2 || +2
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|9th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +6 || +3 || +3
| class="left" | Critical Precision +3
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|10th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +7 || +3 || +3
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|11th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +7 || +3 || +3
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|12th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +8 || +4 || +4
| class="left" | Critical Precision +4
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|13th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +8 || +4 || +4
| class="left" | Heedless
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|14th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +9 || +4 || +4
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|15th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || + || + || +
| class="left" | Critical Precision +5
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|16th||class="left" | +16/+11/+6/+1 || +9 || +5 || +5
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|17th||class="left" | +17/+12/+7/+2 || +10 || +5 || +5
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|18th||class="left" | +18/+13/+8/+3 || +10 || + 5|| +5
| class="left" | Critical Precision +6
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|19th||class="left" | +19/+14/+9/+4 || +11 || +6 || +6
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
|20th||class="left" | +20/+15/+10/+5 || +12 || +6 || +6
| class="left" |
|—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—||—
|—||—||—
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
'''Class Skills (5 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, ×4 at 1st level)''' 
Intimidate, Balance, Jump, Swim
|}

==== Class Features ====

Impatient Madman takes -2 to all Concentrate, Bluff, Sense Motive, Craft(any kind), Disguise, Gather Information, Move Silently, Open Lock and Use Rope checks. Madman gains a +3 to all Initiative checks.

Reckless Madman's strikes find their way to target weak points, at a cost to his defense. Madman's attacks gain X2 to weapon critical range at a cost of -2 to AC. Can be stacked with other critical like enhancements.

Two weapon Fighting Gains the feat Two Weapon Fighting

Critical Precision Improves the confirmation of critical hits

Recklessness Through experience, Madman has learned where to strike for weak points although his impatients has gotten the best of him. He gains a X3 critical range at the cost of -4 to AC.

Heedless Further extends his ability to strike weak points, but has become rash and forgetful defensively. Madman's attacks gain X3 to weapon critical range at the cost of -6 to AC.

Anger For every 20 points of damage taken, Madman's critical damage multiplies by X1.5. When he lands a critical strike, the counter for Anger resets to his base critical damage bonus.

Improved Trip Gains this feat regardless of meeting the prerequisites.
'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' Light and Medium Armor, Weapons in accordance to Unarmed Strikes such as Gauntlets.

'''{{#anc:Spells}}:''' <-Delete this section if this class does not cast spells. description of spellcasting abilities: on what stat save DCs are based, on what stat bonus spells are based, and what stat determines the highest level spell that can be cast.->. <-pluralized class name-> choose their spells from the following list:

0—<-spells, spells, spells->

1st—<-spells, spells, spells->

2nd—<-spells, spells, spells->

3rd—<-spells, spells, spells->

4th—<-spells, spells, spells->

5th—<-spells, spells, spells->

6th—<-spells, spells, spells->

7th—<-spells, spells, spells->

8th—<-spells, spells, spells->

9th—<-spells, spells, spells->

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ {{#anc:Table: <-class name-> Spells Known}}
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level || colspan="10" | Spells Known
|-
! 0 || 1st || 2nd || 3rd || 4th || 5th || 6th || 7th || 8th || 9th
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 1st || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 2nd || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 3rd || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 4th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 5th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 6th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 7th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 8th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 9th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 10th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 11th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 12th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 13th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 14th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 15th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 16th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 17th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 18th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 19th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 20th || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || — || —
|}

'''{{#anc:Power Points/Day}}:''' A <-class name->’s ability to manifest [[SRD:Powers|powers]] is limited by the [[SRD:Power Points|power points]] he has available. His base daily allotment of [[SRD:Power Points|power points]] is given on [[#Table: <-class name->|Table: <-class name->]]. In addition, he receives bonus [[SRD:Power Points|power points]] per day if he has a high <-relevant ability-> score (see [[SRD:Ability Scores#Ability Modifiers and Bonus Power Points|Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Power Points]]). His race may also provide bonus [[SRD:Power Points|power points]] per day, as may certain feats and items.

'''{{#anc:Powers Known}}:''' <-Delete this section if this class does not manifest powers. description of manifesting abilities: on what stat save DCs are based, on what stat bonus powers points are based, and what stat determines the highest level power that can be manifested.->. <-pluralized class name-> choose their powers from the following list:

0—<-powers, powers, powers->

1st—<-powers, powers, powers->

2nd—<-powers, powers, powers->

3rd—<-powers, powers, powers->

4th—<-powers, powers, powers->

5th—<-powers, powers, powers->

6th—<-powers, powers, powers->

7th—<-powers, powers, powers->

8th—<-powers, powers, powers->

9th—<-powers, powers, powers->

'''{{#anc:Maximum Power Level Known}}:''' This column determines the highest level power he can learn at this level.

To learn or manifest a power, a <-class name-> must have an <-relevant ability-> score of at least 10 + the power’s level.

'''{{#anc:<-extraordinary class feature->}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Extraordinary|Ex]]):''' <-class feature game rule information->

'''''{{#anc:<-psi-like class feature->}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Psi-Like|Ps]]):''' <-class feature game rule information->

'''''{{#anc:<-spell-like class feature->}}'' ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Spell-Like|Sp]]):''' <-class feature game rule information->

'''{{#anc:<-supernatural class feature->}} ([[SRD:Special Abilities Overview#Supernatural|Su]]):''' <-class feature game rule information->

'''{{#anc:<-class feature->}}:''' <-class feature game rule information->

''{{#anc:<-subclass feature ->}} <-"(Ex)", "(Su)", "(Sp)", or "(Ps)" if applicable.->:'' <-subclass feature game rule information->

<-Lather, rinse...->

<-... repeat as necessary.->

==== Ex-<-pluralized class name-> ====

<-Describe what happens when a character violates the alignment restrictions of any other class restrictions. If there are no behavior or alignment restrictions delete this section->.

==== Epic <-class name-> ====

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ class="epic" |
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Epic <-class name->}}</div>
Hit Die: d<-Die size for Hit Die->
|-
! Level !! Special
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 21st || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 22nd || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 23rd || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 24th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 25th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 26th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 27th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 28th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 29th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 30th || class="left" | <-any improvements to class features gained at this level, including any bonus feats->
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
<-number of skill points-> + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

'''<-existing class feature->:''' <-how this class feature increases or accumulates at epic levels->

'''<-another existing class feature->:''' <-how this class feature increases or accumulates at epic levels->

<-Lather, rinse...->

<-... repeat.->

'''{{#anc: Bonus Feats }}:''' The epic <-class name-> gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic <-class name-> bonus feats) every <-number of feats per level-> levels after 20th.

''Epic <-class name-> Bonus Feat List:'' <-list of bonus epic feats->.

==== <-Sample race of your choice-> <-class name-> Starting Package ====

'''Weapons:''' <-Weapon selection for starting at 1st level with this class.->.

'''Skill Selection:''' Pick a number of skills equal to 4 + [[Int]] modifier.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|-
! class="left" | Skill || Ranks || Ability || Armor Check Penalty
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | <-Skill name-> || <-4 for class skills and 2 for cross-class skills-> || <-Abbrieviated key ability-> || <-armor check penalty based on starting armor. If innapplicable put "—"->
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| class="left" | <-Skill name-> || <-4 for class skills and 2 for cross-class skills-> || <-Abbrieviated key ability-> || <-armor check penalty based on starting armor. If innapplicable put "—"->
<-copy and paste the rows as necessary.->
|}

'''Feat:''' <-1st-level feat selection->.

'''Bonus Feats:''' <-1st-level feat bonus feats due to class or sample race. remove this section if this sample doesn't get any bonus feats at 1st level. ->.

'''Gear:''' <-Starting armor and other equipment outside of weapons.->.

'''Gold:''' <-Starting gold using this package.->.

=== Campaign Information ===

==== Playing a <-class name-> ====

'''Religion:''' <-description of how this class typically (but no exclusively) approaches religion including likely portfolios it would worship->.

'''Other Classes:''' <-How this class typically interacts with other classes and how characters of this class interact with characters of other classes->.

'''Combat:''' <-Typical role in combat->.

'''Advancement:''' <-Typical advancement options for characters with this class. Include desirable multiclass options->.

==== <-pluralized class name-> in the World ====

{{quote|<-Some quote from a character of this class->|orig=<-NPC name->, <-race-> <-class->}}

<-Where characters of this class fit in a d20 world.->

'''Daily Life:''' <-day in the life of a character of this class->.

'''Notables:''' <-notable NPCs of this class->.

'''Organizations:''' <-info on what, where, when, and how characters of this class congregate and assemble->.

'''NPC Reactions:''' <-How NPCs react to PCs of this class->.

==== <-class name-> Lore ====

Characters with ranks in <-the appropriate skills-> can research <-pluralized class name-> to learn more about them. When a character makes a skill check, read or paraphrase the following, including information from lower DCs.

{| class="{{d20}}"
|+ <-the appropriate skills->
! DC || class="left" | Result
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 5 || class="left" | <-common knowledge->.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 10 || class="left" | <-not so common knowledge->.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 15 || class="left" | <-rare information->.
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"
| 20 || class="left" | <-very rare information->.
|}

==== <-pluralized class name-> in the Game ====

<-How characters of this class fit in the game (PC and NPC) and what roles they play.->

'''Adaptation:''' <-Possible variant conceptions of this class.->.

'''Sample Encounter:''' <-DM placement for NPCs of this class.->.

''EL :'' <-Encounter scenario and character info on sample NPC including stat block. The CR of the NPC is typically the same as the EL for the encounter.->.

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User:Jeffrywith1e

2012-08-17T16:07:23Z

Blue Dragon: Reverting changes, seems legitimate

[http://jeffrywith1e.googlepages.com/home Safe House]

[[/Workshop|Workshop]]

User:Jeffrywith1e

2012-08-17T16:06:26Z

Blue Dragon:

http:<slash><slash>jeffrywith1e.googlepages.com/home -- Safe House

[[/Workshop|Workshop]]

User:Jeffrywith1e

2012-08-17T16:06:06Z

Blue Dragon: Removing actual link

http://jeffrywith1e.googlepages.com/home -- Safe House

[[/Workshop|Workshop]]

Mad Dog (D20 Modern Creature)

2012-08-17T14:52:48Z

Blue Dragon: Reverted edits by Dogboy13 (talk) to last revision by Green Dragon

'''Dog, Mad:''' CR 5; Medium Animal; HD 6d8+18, hp 45, Mas 19; Init +2, Spd 40 ft.; Def 16 (+2 Dex, +4 natural); BAB +4, Grap +8; Atk bite +8 melee (1d6+6); S/R 5 ft./5 ft.; SA improved grab, rage, trip (+4); SQ ferocity, low-light vision, scent; AL none; SV Fort +10, Ref +7, Will +3; AP 0, Rep +0; Str 18, Dex 14, Con 16, Int 2, Wis 12, Cha 6.
*'''Skills:''' Jump +7 (+9 running), Listen +8, Spot +5, Survival +1 (+5 tracking)
*'''Feats:''' Alertness, Great Fortitude, Improved Damage Threshold, Track (B)

*'''Combat'''
A mad dog attacks mainly by jumping at its opponent's throat or arms and holding on. If more than one dog is attacking, each will randomly decide to use their improved grab ability or their trip ability. Both abilities cannot be used at the same time. A mad dog that successfully grapples an opponent will not let go, even if it suffers massive damage.

*'''Ferocity (Ex):''' A mad dog is such a tenacious combatant that it continues to fight without penalty even while disabled and dying.

*'''Improved Grab (Ex):''' To use this ability, a mad dog must hit with its bite attack. It can then attempt to start a grapple as a free action without provoking an attack of opportunity.

*'''Rage (Ex):''' A mad dog that takes damage in combat flies into a berserk rage on its next turn, clawing and biting madly until either it or its opponent are dead. It gains +4 to Strength, +4 to Constitution, and -2 to Defense. The creature cannot end its rage voluntarily.

*'''Trip (Ex):''' A mad dog that hits with a bite attack can attempt to trip the opponent (+4 check modifier) as a free action without making a touch attack or provoking an attack of opportunity. If the attempt fails, the opponent cannot react to trip the dog. The dog cannot attempt to trip and use its improved grab ability at the same time.

*'''Skills:''' A dog gains a +2 racial bonus to Jump checks. It also gains a +4 racial bonus to Survival checks to track by scent.

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Talk:Lord of the Dead (3.5e Prestige Class)

2012-08-17T14:28:12Z

Blue Dragon: Revert to spam free version

==Clean-up==

Alright, I saw this was on the to-do list, and had some time to help out... not sure if non-admins are supposed to do this... and I hope I didn't butcher it too badly haha.[[User:Furbuggy|Furbuggy]] 16:52, 15 April 2007 (MDT)

:Made about 20billion changes to the article, cleaning it up and stuff. Still needs more work. [[User:Furbuggy|Furbuggy]] 18:02, 15 April 2007 (MDT)

::Better? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

==Balance 7/10==

Not sure about balance here or even if I should be the one who puts it in, but it seems to me this is pretty balanced. It is basically the Mystic Theurge- it trades the 1st and 10th level of double classing for a few special abilities. The latter seems to out weigh the first, so I gave it a 7/10, because it seemed reasonable. However... the requirements seem a little low. Maybe make the minimum level be somewhere in the 6-8 range?
Please someone check this- I am not sure about this.
[[User:Furbuggy|Furbuggy]] 17:38, 15 April 2007 (MDT)

== To Do ==

A bunch of things need to be cleaned up. For example:
#Include the BA, saves, etc. in the class table.
#The abilities need to be formatted (individually).
#The overall structure of the article needs to be organized. For an example, see the [[Courier (DnD Prestige Class)]].
–[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:25, 15 April 2007 (MDT)

:Should now be better... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:10, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::I cleaned up a lot of the spelling and grammatical errors, mostly involving capitalization and what-not. I replaced many of the unimportant "lord of the dead"s with just "Lord". Personally, I believe that the whole prestige class should be renamed to something less tedious, such as "Death Lord," or something. I also changed all the "his/her"s to just "his". The opening flavor text desperately needs to be cleaned up, as it is redundant and repetitive (it says "believes/knows that true power comes from" three times), and is just really over-complicated. I'm not sure what the author was going for, so I'll leave it alone for now. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 10:43, 18 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hm... Are you sure you would not like to give the flavor text a stab at? I think it needs to be made better as well... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:04, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::::I worked on it a bit. [[User:Furbuggy|Furbuggy]] 04:49, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::It is looking better, now a part about Lord of the Dead's as NPCs and what classes are the most common choices is needed to finish the desciption area. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:44, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== the class ==

this is a great class idea the problem is that to attain the "lich" template you have to be lvl 20 where it only requires lvl 11 and you have to have 5 levels of cleric and wizard to even take it another way to do basicly the same thing is to take 3 wizard and 3 cleric and go mystic thurge and gain the template in 4 class levels when broke down so that you are a lich at lvl 15 so maybe to make this worth taking lower the requirements to the same as a mystic thurge but that is just an idea

Oerth -- The New Frontier (3.5e Campaign Setting)

2012-08-17T14:19:22Z

Blue Dragon: Reverted edits by Neville865845 (talk) to last revision by Green Dragon

{{Campaign Setting Rating|2}}

= History =

Oerth, the only known inhabitable planet in the Prime Material Plane, is soon to be plagued by war once more. Tensions are high, and political ties are falling apart.

Just 21 years ago, in 444 C.Y., there was a great war that ravaged all of Oerth. The Dwarven homeland of Moradriel, led by Lord Dwovin, began building its army so that it would rival the armies of the Elven nations Ehlone and Corella. Tensions grew more and more, and when a Half-orc from an organization called "The Black Eye" assassinated the Duke of Kord, Kord declared war on Gruumshiek, and soon all the countries on the continent of Eora were engaged in a vicious battle (not including Heiros and Hextos, who have constantly been waging their own private wars for centuries). As continents oversees began to get involved, they discovered internal conflicts of their own rising up. Yondar split into two countries, losing some of its land to a rogue-packed country which called itself Olidamm (and has yet to set up its capital). The continent Magus, which once possessed enough wielders of good magic to hold back the Wastes of Nerull, was suddenly infected with the plague of evil. The Wastes of Nerull even expanded to the lower continent of Andis. Erythyus, also known as the Great Wastes, grew to envelop Kord and form a barrier between Kord and Gruumshiek, and even the land of the Gnomes, Garlold, was hurt.

The war lasted 4 years -- longer than any war in the history of the Prime Material Plane. Millions were killed, and nearly every single country's border was shifted (with the sole exception of Kas-Vec, a land that hasn't changed for thousands of years), earning the title "The Great War". In the aftermath of the war, 448 C.Y., the Treaty of Amanodel forced Moradriel to pay for the costs of war for each country, and shut down its army. The Dwarves of Moradriel were nearly politically exiled from every other country. So they waited...

15 years later, a Dwarven leader known as Morduri Theril came to power and established an organization known as the Olor Sammans (OlSa -- National Shieldbrothers in Common). They began persecuting all of the populace in Moradriel who didn't worship Moradin, and have just recently begun expanding their empire, taking over parts of countries like Peloran, Ehlone, and Erythyus. The adventurers begin in this time period, about 20 1/2 years after the end of The Great War. But the upcoming war isn't the only interesting thing here...

Psionics. The New Frontier; the new battleground. As the need for new ways to fight gets greater, new formats of war are developed. People who call themselves Psions are coming out from literally nowhere and claiming mastery of something called Psionics. As these people become more and more common, the countries of Oerth are quickly learning to add Psionics into their military, and new ways of using these Powers are being developed. Already, extremely emotional people have honed their emotions to manifest powers (Wilders), while others have added their Psionic Talent to physical prowess (Psychic Warriors). Finally, the most exotic of the new classes is the Soulknife: A person with the power to take their mental energy and give it physical form.

The adventurers start off as members of a relatively small squadron of trainees for the war. As they gain levels, they take harder and harder missions until they're active members of the war effort, potentially even leading armies into battle, or taking the fight to other planes.

(A picture of a map of Oerth):
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/Leturnmaster/Oerth.jpg

= Races =
The races are widely varied, with some being more common than others:

'''Common Races:'''
* [[Humans]] -- They're found everything... like, literally everywhere. Humans come in all sorts of different shapes and sizes, with different skin tones and hair tones and eye colors too. They're the most changeable of the races. The primarily human countries are Peloran, Heiros, and Hextos.
* [[Elves]] -- This race lives in Ehlone and Corella, primarily. They stick to their private homes, mostly, being quite isolationist most of the time. The coming war has pressured them to ally with Peloran, though they haven't expressed much enthusiasm towards the subject.
* [[Dwarves]] -- Dwellers in Moradriel, Heiros, Hextos, and Garlan primarily, this race is also found in the Lands of the Lawful. Dwarves have a strong empathic bond with each other, and when Moradriel was persecuted in The Great War, many Dwarves fought against their homelands in support. However, mixed feelings about what is known as Moradin's Genocide split the Dwarves nearly in half now.
* [[Halfling]] -- Dwellers mostly of Yondar and Olidamm, the Halflings are more or less impartial to the war. However, other nations hardly hesitate to travel to their lands and try to obtain raw materials, so the Halflings must side with someone. Much of Olidamm is consists of freelancers, while Yondar is split about 75-25 against Moradriel.
* [[Gnomes]] -- The little tricksters that inhabit most Eura are constantly picked on by their neighbors. Garlan, the Gnome's country, was the first to be taken over by Moradriel. Because of their worship towards Garl Glittergold, many Gnomes have died in Moradin's Genocide. They have no choice -- the must support the Dwarves.
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Hobgoblin|Hobgoblins]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook. Favored class can be anything.) Hobgoblins, like humans, are adept at just about whatever they put their mind to. They're also hairy bandits, and are commonly persecuted by most of the other common races.

'''Uncommon Races:'''
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Half-Orc|Half-orcs]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Half-orcs, unlike their orc predecessors, are cunning as well as cruel. They don't waste time and are incredibly well-versed in the ways of dragging information out of people. They can be hired as professional killers (or killers training to be professional)
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Drow|Drow]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Drow are a secretive race, having lived below ground for hundreds of years. In the darkness, they're veritable masters, and their extra dexterity only adds to this potential. However, it takes a lot to pull a Drow out of the Underdark and into modern society. Something very interesting needs to happen, or something very disastrous.
* [[Xephs]] -- an isolated island in the Arborean Strait has produced a humanlike race with great agility and psionic talent. The Xephs are a happy-go-lucky group of people who aren't enthusiastic about war. Nevertheless, as countries begin to try to take their people for study, the Xephs are beginning to fight back.
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Orc|Orcs]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Orcs, who eat anything and everything, brawl for any reason, and are more or less hated by just about every other intelligent race in existance, live mainly on the plains of Erythyus and in Gruumshiek. Tribes of Orcs band together every so often and join either side (whichever one will get them the best short-term advantage). Orcs join out of desire to smash things, and conscripts aren't common.

'''Rare Races:'''
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Goblin|Goblins]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Goblins, who dwell mainly in the Great Wastes of Erythyus, are hardly a common sight. Most are cowardly, and Erythyus doesn't have enough organization to implement and effective draft. However, some the richer Goblins who can afford a [[SRD:Worg#Worg|Worg]] become riders (such as [[Knight, Tome (3.5e Class)#Knight|Knights]]), and others can become successful Rouges, who may join either side for whatever reason.
* [[Maenads]] -- The Maenads are a race who hail from secluded areas of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlands Outlands] (the center of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Planes Outer Planes]). Their emotions and natural psionic talent makes them formidable fighters.
* [[SRD:Elans (Race)#Elans|Elans]] -- Despite how recent Psionics are, humans have already taken to the ideas with a passion. A certain group of humans, who call themselves Elans, have undergone rituals that make them naturally psionic and nearly immortal. Elans make for some of the best psions, and it is believed that humans living in the Astral Plane were the ones who brought the secrets of Psionics to Oerth.
* [[Half-elves]] -- It does happen every once in blue moon. A curious elf and a passionate human come together and bring forth children. These people, who find no peace with any other race, wander alone. They develop skills due to spending their lives this way, and don't like to affiliate with others. Half-elves need to be caught during their travels and conscripted, or could join the army out of curiousity. But its certainly not a common sight.
* Synads -- (Data for this race is taken from the [http://www.scribd.com/doc/16136033/Classes-Complete-Psionic Complete Psionics Handbook]) Synads, natives of the Plane of Shadow, live on Oerth mostly in secret. Rumors of their race are widespread, causing great hostility towards the race. Because they can be so easily recognized, Synads try hard to not use all of their psionic power each day so that they are not discovered. However, they excel in just about anything they attempt (much like humans).
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Aasimar|Aasimar]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Aasimar are those of just about any race who have a trace of otherwordly beauty in their bloodline (meaning that Erinyes and Mariliths can yield Aasimars as well, so not all Aasimars are good). This overcomes just about any other racial traits that they otherwise would have, and makes them quite striking. Aasimars with non-good Outsider ancestry have [[Anti-Paladin (DnD Class)#Anti-Paladin|Anti-Paladins]] as a favored class, instead of [[Paladin]].
* [[Races of War (3.5e Sourcebook)/Playing Unusual Races#Tielfing|Tielfings]] -- (Data for this race is taken from the Races of War 3.5e Sourcebook) The Tielfings are the chaotic and not-so-good-looking descendents of Devils and Demons (other than succubi-like creautures, Erinyes, and the lot who count as Aasimar instead). They're commonly unaccepted by others, and keep a tight isolationist policy in the ways of relations to just about anybody else. They also have a second-nature knowledge of the species that they descended from, and gain a +2 to all Bluff, Diplomacy, Sense Motive, and Spot checks agaisnt that creatures of that kind.

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Talk:Shinigami (3.5e Class)

2012-08-17T13:39:28Z

Blue Dragon: Actually, removing rating entirely, not even enough time was taken to ensure it was formatted. Next time, follow the nowiki instructions

Talk:Shinigami (3.5e Class)

2012-08-17T13:38:12Z

Blue Dragon: /* Rating */ cleaning up someone's previous attempt at a rating

Talk:3.5e Open Game Content

2012-08-16T21:35:10Z

Blue Dragon:

'''Initial Comment removed as it broke the behavioral policy on solicitation'''

::D&D wiki has been around for four years. How long as the Grand OGL Wiki been in existence? Our site is not mimicing anyone, and actually came abour originally as a way to keep material that was "lost" in the muck of the Wizards of the Coast forums from being gone forever.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The Grand OGL Wiki was started in September 2008 as a place to collect OGC from participating publisher. If you want to copy that material over here feel free to, it just seems like a waste of time when a pointer to the content on the GOW would suffice. —[[Special:Contributions/216.65.161.190|Mark]] 2010-02-20 18:21

::::We had an edit conflict. I had actually just wrote that research indicated a late 08 site creation for you. We have been around since February of 2006 and we came from WotC forums. We've had a wiki spin off of us recently, and I feel confident enough to say that users of both sites are not intending to mimic your site. This page existed two years + before yours came into existence, so we just can't even begin to understand the mimic statement. (Using the same logic we could argue - why create your page at all when ours already existed - as well as the d20srd page??). We just happen to share the same content in different ways is all.
::::Actually, it seems like we are aiming at two different audiences. The content on this page is for OGL D&D material, where it seems your site aims towards all games published under the OGL - if I am reading correctly. Admittingly D&D is a big one, but this page's contents are D&D-specific. We also have a D20 Modern page for it's MSRD material.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::'''Note to other readers''': Through a twitter discussion we realized we had a mis-understanding. Seems it is actually just that we share a contributor. This page was created before the other site existed, but a shared contributor sent in info to both sites ''(at least thats what it looks like)''. However, I've still removed comments from a different contributor to this OGL site from the main page as it was, well, rude and claimed something that just isn't true.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::Steve Russell here, no I have never contributed tot his page, the page in question is a copy paste looting. Since the content exists no where else except in the world, and I did not post it here and neither did Mark, at best its poor form at worst its insulting. {{unsigned|Steve russell|2010-02-20 18:40}}

:::::::Hello Steve. Once again, let us get our facts straight and remain civil. Our website existed two years before yours, and this page some nine months. The edit in question that added the content is what is recent. Under further inspection, it is apparent that the edit in question was added by our admin, Green Dragon. If the content was OGC, then it could of been pulled from a simple OGC search of some sort. Obviously we want to eventually include all that content. Additionally, being that it is OGL, I do not see why it is even an issue.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::::'''Summary''': the user noticed that we had a link, a ''dead red link to a non-existent'' page and their first edits were extremely rude and hostile, more so on the part of Steve here. Partially understandable since he didn't understand our system or such, but still bad. The way they worded their first edits made it seem like a website that came years after us tried to claim our entire site copied theirs, which just isn't true. Because of these initially very rude comments, it was hard to gather exactly what was wrong. Anyways, once finally understanding, I just removed the link as it was dead and had been pulled from a OGC list. Though, if we kept it and made the page it would of been ''perfectly legal to list it since it was released as OGC'', I was nice. I informed the user I did this, and then the user said he wasn't hostile, that hostility would of been a ''"cease order to shut down our hosting"''. It is sad that such hostilities came from what basically amounted to free publicity, as our site is extremely more well known than theirs. Furthermore, our content is wholly different from theirs. I tried to learn more but could not for the life of me understand their navigation system (which perhaps gave me a feel of how they didn't understand ours enough to '''create a page that didn't exist in order to ask for it to be deleted''').
::::::::'''Conclusion''': I was beyond nice and understanding and the one user left a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm not afraid to say that. I could of waited to let an admin handle it but I tried to help as I was online, and an admin may even revert my edit. To come here claiming that our site ''(and by proxy even the transientwiki)'' was just here to mimic them is ridiculous. You know what, I created a myspace page but other guys named Hooper have myspace pages so I'm going to go be rude to them for being mimics....... [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 02:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::For a bit of context, the content intended to be copied to the wiki is [http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/lpub here]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 05:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::"Looting" seems like a harsh word for something that's licensed under the [[OGL]]. Especially since the material in question hasn't even been transcribed yet. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 06:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::So your only point of contention is the time and effort someone spends in transcribing OGC that's readily available elsewhere? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 06:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::I agree with Sledged, to get angry and argue that we're looting when it can be argued their entire site looted (though I wouldn't argue that, I'm just saying it uses the same logic) is insane.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::One can distribute the names of publishers to the public. With regard to other things please see [[Talk:Open Game License v1.0a#Attribution in Copyright Notice]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sword & Sorcery World of Warcraft RPG ==

Is this site interested in the Sword & Sorcery World of Warcraft RPG? It is based off 3.5 and is covered under the OGL. [[User:Master K|Master K]] 10:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:OGL? Sure. Please feel free to add it (starting here - or you can start on the [[Publication List]]) and add the appropriate templates to designate who the content is from, what it is licensed under, etc. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

What the-

Is there even a slayers guide to female gamers or a slayers guide to rules lawyers? TThat just doesn't seem right.

== Slayers guide ==

Ok, I seriously doubt that there is really a book called "The Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers". Anyone want to show some proof, or did some sexist @#$&% of a vandal put that in there?
-YBB aka [[Special:Contributions/70.58.217.107|70.58.217.107]] 08:57, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

:[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1903980488 Proof] that the slayer's guide to female gamers exists. Feel free to shake your head at humanity. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

::I added some of the information ([[The Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers]]) which you can access if you are curious. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:05, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

Talk:3.5e Open Game Content

2012-08-16T21:34:30Z

Blue Dragon: Reverted edits by Spam cleanup script (talk) to last revision by Jazzman831

'''Initial Comment removed as it broke the behavioral policy on solicitation'''

::D&D wiki has been around for four years. How long as the Grand OGL Wiki been in existence? Our site is not mimicing anyone, and actually came abour originally as a way to keep material that was "lost" in the muck of the Wizards of the Coast forums from being gone forever.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:03, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::The Grand OGL Wiki was started in September 2008 as a place to collect OGC from participating publisher. If you want to copy that material over here feel free to, it just seems like a waste of time when a pointer to the content on the GOW would suffice. —[[Special:Contributions/216.65.161.190|Mark]] 2010-02-20 18:21

::::We had an edit conflict. I had actually just wrote that research indicated a late 08 site creation for you. We have been around since February of 2006 and we came from WotC forums. We've had a wiki spin off of us recently, and I feel confident enough to say that users of both sites are not intending to mimic your site. This page existed two years + before yours came into existence, so we just can't even begin to understand the mimic statement. (Using the same logic we could argue - why create your page at all when ours already existed - as well as the d20srd page??). We just happen to share the same content in different ways is all.
::::Actually, it seems like we are aiming at two different audiences. The content on this page is for OGL D&D material, where it seems your site aims towards all games published under the OGL - if I am reading correctly. Admittingly D&D is a big one, but this page's contents are D&D-specific. We also have a D20 Modern page for it's MSRD material.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:25, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::'''Note to other readers''': Through a twitter discussion we realized we had a mis-understanding. Seems it is actually just that we share a contributor. This page was created before the other site existed, but a shared contributor sent in info to both sites ''(at least thats what it looks like)''. However, I've still removed comments from a different contributor to this OGL site from the main page as it was, well, rude and claimed something that just isn't true.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:33, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::Steve Russell here, no I have never contributed tot his page, the page in question is a copy paste looting. Since the content exists no where else except in the world, and I did not post it here and neither did Mark, at best its poor form at worst its insulting. {{unsigned|Steve russell|2010-02-20 18:40}}

:::::::Hello Steve. Once again, let us get our facts straight and remain civil. Our website existed two years before yours, and this page some nine months. The edit in question that added the content is what is recent. Under further inspection, it is apparent that the edit in question was added by our admin, Green Dragon. If the content was OGC, then it could of been pulled from a simple OGC search of some sort. Obviously we want to eventually include all that content. Additionally, being that it is OGL, I do not see why it is even an issue.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 01:42, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::::'''Summary''': the user noticed that we had a link, a ''dead red link to a non-existent'' page and their first edits were extremely rude and hostile, more so on the part of Steve here. Partially understandable since he didn't understand our system or such, but still bad. The way they worded their first edits made it seem like a website that came years after us tried to claim our entire site copied theirs, which just isn't true. Because of these initially very rude comments, it was hard to gather exactly what was wrong. Anyways, once finally understanding, I just removed the link as it was dead and had been pulled from a OGC list. Though, if we kept it and made the page it would of been ''perfectly legal to list it since it was released as OGC'', I was nice. I informed the user I did this, and then the user said he wasn't hostile, that hostility would of been a ''"cease order to shut down our hosting"''. It is sad that such hostilities came from what basically amounted to free publicity, as our site is extremely more well known than theirs. Furthermore, our content is wholly different from theirs. I tried to learn more but could not for the life of me understand their navigation system (which perhaps gave me a feel of how they didn't understand ours enough to '''create a page that didn't exist in order to ask for it to be deleted''').
::::::::'''Conclusion''': I was beyond nice and understanding and the one user left a bad taste in my mouth, and I'm not afraid to say that. I could of waited to let an admin handle it but I tried to help as I was online, and an admin may even revert my edit. To come here claiming that our site ''(and by proxy even the transientwiki)'' was just here to mimic them is ridiculous. You know what, I created a myspace page but other guys named Hooper have myspace pages so I'm going to go be rude to them for being mimics....... [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 02:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::::For a bit of context, the content intended to be copied to the wiki is [http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/lpub here]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 05:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::::"Looting" seems like a harsh word for something that's licensed under the [[OGL]]. Especially since the material in question hasn't even been transcribed yet. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 06:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::So your only point of contention is the time and effort someone spends in transcribing OGC that's readily available elsewhere? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 06:12, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

:::::I agree with Sledged, to get angry and argue that we're looting when it can be argued their entire site looted (though I wouldn't argue that, I'm just saying it uses the same logic) is insane.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 15:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

::::::One can distribute the names of publishers to the public. With regard to other things please see [[Talk:Open Game License v1.0a#Attribution in Copyright Notice]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

== Sword & Sorcery World of Warcraft RPG ==

Is this site interested in the Sword & Sorcery World of Warcraft RPG? It is based off 3.5 and is covered under the OGL. [[User:Master K|Master K]] 10:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:OGL? Sure. Please feel free to add it (starting here - or you can start on the [[Publication List]]) and add the appropriate templates to designate who the content is from, what it is licensed under, etc. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

What the-

Is there even a slayers guide to female gamers or a slayers guide to rules lawyers? TThat just doesn't seem right.

== Slayers guide ==

Ok, I seriously doubt that there is really a book called "The Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers". Anyone want to show some proof, or did some sexist @#$&% of a vandal put that in there?
-YBB aka [[Special:Contributions/70.58.217.107|70.58.217.107]] 08:57, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

:[http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1903980488?SubscriptionId=0QCHRJVSKG6F3BRGBNG2&tag=pbs_00005-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1903980488 Proof] that the slayer's guide to female gamers exists. Feel free to shake your head at humanity. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

::I added some of the information ([[The Slayer's Guide to Female Gamers]]) which you can access if you are curious. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:05, 13 March 2011 (MDT)

Talk:D20 Modern

2012-08-16T21:24:45Z

Blue Dragon: /* Please */

== Phoenix v0.1 ==

I have a free d20 Modern expansion pack that I've been working on. It's a superhero system, the goal of which is to maintain total d20 compatibility and be an expansion pack, not a standalone product. You can find it here (http://members.shaw.ca/orionuk/Phoenix.v0.1.pdf). There are seven chapters.

Ch1 "Building a Hero" (character creation).

Ch2 "Classes" (superhero classes, built on the D&D model)

Ch3 "Skills" (the d20 Modern skills, arranged by class)

Ch4 "Feats" (a complete list of all D&D and d20 Modern feats, with some Psionic feats thrown in, and 40+ pages of original feats)

Ch5 "Powers" (50+ pages of superhero-style powers, from Flight to Extra Limbs to Webbing)

Ch6 "Combat and Movement" (fighting with superstrength, swinging, fighting in zero-G)

Ch7 "Running the Game" (the GMing chapter, notes on superheroes as a genre, tips on running any RPG)

Please feel free to download the game! It's a hobby project. If you email the address listed in the Introduction, I will send you any and all updates to the system that I make in the future. Updates come out every six weeks or so, or when I feel like avoiding my dissertation.

== Please ==

Please add a section for Advanced Classes. Modern class structure follows the order of:

* Base Class
* Advanced Class
* Prestige Class

Advanced Classes are 10 levels, Prestige Classes are 5 levels. Base classes do not change often, though there have been (a couple) variant base classes created. The most customization of classes takes place in Advanced Classes. ~ ShadoStahker, WotC Modern board member

:I added it, thank you for telling me that. I do not play D20 Modern often, so...

::No problem, thanks for putting it up. I know a couple people on the WotC boards are also interested in a NPCs section (may be a good idea for the D&D part too). As well, there may be interest in a "talent trees" section for fan-made base class talent trees (if you aren't familiar, they're similar to class-specific feat trees, for base classes only). ~ ShadoStahker

:::NPCs... There's a link to such a wiki here: [link broken, removed]

::::Actually, there's DnD NPCs there as well. --[[User:PsiSeveredHead|PsiSeveredHead]] 21:26, 15 February 2006 (MST) WotC board member

== Hello ==
My name is [[User:Wolfen Fenrison|Wolfen]] , some of you may remember me from the WotC boards, anyway I'm the admid for the D20 modern section so any questions or requests can be directed at me, thank you.

:Hey Wolfen. The only thing I can think of is a "Talent Trees" section. I personally don't use expanded talent trees, but I know some do. They may fit under "Variant Rules", though. Also, the main page is now unlocked. I don't know if you'd want to lock it again, but I'd assume so. ~ ShadoStahker

::You are correct expanded talent trees should go under varient rules -Wolfen

== Hi ==

This is blackknight5k from the wotc boards, how's it going? Anyways, I was thinking that it might be a good idea to more organize d20 modern with something like "d20 past, d20 modern, d20 future" because I know no one likes to go through d20 past stuff to get to a new mecha, or something like that. It might not be a problem now, but it might become a little cluttered if this wiki takes off.

:neccesity... as of late i hae become rather busy, finding a job, kingdom hearts 2, important stuff like that. but maby latter this week the d20 modern page will get a major update. as for sections for past and future, submissions should be marked for modern, past, or future. - Wolfen

::Em Back... Well the update I promised is done, and I updated my campaign setting, it is good to see all the material has been posted since green dragon and I concived this section and then handed it over to me. My hope is that as this game grows and evolves community support and creativity will grow as well, and remember the only stupid idea is the one not acted upon. - Wolfen

:::I agree with ''blackknight5k'' we need to break down d20 Modern into d20 Past, d20 Modern, d20 Future, and most all d20 Apocalypse. These variations are core to d20 Modern and if they sub-catagories are implemented now it will stop confusion in the future. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 18:15, 7 February 2007 (MST)

::::I say okay, lets do it. However, before anything else, all the D20 Past need to be part of [[:Category:D20 Past]], all the D20 Modern need to be a part of [[:Category:D20 Modern]], etc. When this is done the change will be easy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:15, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:::::The category right now is D20M for modern stuff. It would be easy enough to use D20P for past, D20F for future, and D20A for apocalypse. And the shorthand would be kept. Do we want to do it this way or the longer way (spelling out modern, past, etc.)? I personally prefer the shorthand... --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:03, 9 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Shorthand. When I posted that I did not think of good "Shorthands" so I just wrote them long. Good thinking and the Shorthands should be used. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:40, 11 February 2007 (MST)

== Keep em coming guys ==

I'm very pleased with the amount of matirial that is getting posted (the oil elemental is very sweet), I'm working on more stuff my self but job huntinh has priority right now. -Wolfen

== Categories ==

Are there any D20 modern categories? Virtually none of the pages have categories or "return to" bars. I'll start to add some, but I need to know what categories there are and (if there are none) what should be made (besides the obvious: D20 modern feats, classes, etc.). Help? --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:50, 18 December 2006 (MST)

:To be honest, I really don't care that much about D20M. I don't play it, and I only added it to this site as an afterthought. So... when a new item is posted, or when the D&D section of D&D Wiki changes, I do not change the D20M section to reflect the D&D change. This section is a ''very'' primitive version of the D&D section. If you would like, go ahead and update it, and try to make it like the D&D section. If you have any questions of what categories are correct for what please feel free to ask me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:55, 18 December 2006 (MST)

== Admin Cat change... ==

Could an admin please change the category of this page from "D20Modern" to "D20 Modern". The second category will be the one used for all the D20 Modern pages. Thanks! --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:49, 19 December 2006 (MST)

:I changed the category; but not to what you wanted. I think all D20M material should be under D20M category, not D20 Modern. I changed it to reflect this. Will this work for your modernization of [[D20 Modern]]? Now for the reason: In the begginging of the D&D section of this site, all the cateories were [[:Category:Dungeons and Dragons]], and as the D&D seciton changed all the categories became [[:Category:DnD]] (Even though many are still part of [[:Category:Dungeons and Dragons]]). So, since you are bringing this up to date, all the categories should be brought up to date. I hope I made sense... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:02, 19 December 2006 (MST)

== Updating Check Boxes ==

I changed the equipment splash page. It can have a green check mark now. I'll fix up the rest in the coming days. ''':)''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:00, 9 February 2007 (MST)

:Feats now, also. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:35, 10 February 2007 (MST)

::And Races and FX Abilities. All have been updated to mirror the DnD pages. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:45, 10 February 2007 (MST)

:::For the classes description on this page, the "and NPC..." should be removed. There are not NPC classes in D20 Modern. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:04, 10 February 2007 (MST)

::::Okay...
::::*Classes
::::**<strike>The actual pages need a dlpc header so they show up on the "With Descriptions" pages</strike>
::::**<strike>Since the MSRD has been added all the MSRD classes need to be linked to here just like [[DnD Classes]].</strike>
::::**the "By type" pages need to be made with dlpcu's.
::::*Equipment
::::**This needs to be like [[DnD Equipment]] with the table (maybe?).
::::*Feats
::::**Shouldn't these be organized into general categories than put into wikitables (like [[DnD Feats]])?
::::*FX Abilities
::::**They need to be broken up by class than (so it is ''more'' advanced than [[DnD Feats]]) into dpl's by level.
::::*Races
::::**There must be a LA page; an all page, and the LA pages should include a dplcu list (like LA 6 races on [[3.5e Races]]). Also, this page needs to look like [[3.5e Races]] when done (LA on the side with links to other places throughout).
::::This is all I can think of now, and I am sorry if this is a lot (I left all the harder ones to be done later ''':)'''). If you want help ask and I will be more than willing to help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:08, 11 February 2007 (MST)

:::::I'm going to put off working on the equipment and FX Abilities for now, since there is almost no content there. It can be updated later, if necessary. For now the simply DPLC lists I've implemented should work. Classes is first up for work; I'm actually finally getting there on some of the things to do. Next up will be races and, as I go, fixing all the tables into the "d20" class (I'm doing this as I go, for the most part). --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Okay. So far classes looks better than before. Good work so far. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Checklist of Updates and Revisions ==

# Add preload functions:
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Character Optimizations]]</s>
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Classes]]</s>
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Feats]]</s>
#*[[D20 Modern Races]]
#*[[D20 Modern Creatures]]
#*[[D20 Modern NPCs]]
# D20 Modern Classes:
#*<s> Add dplcus for classes by type.</s>
#* <s>Make the MSRD links link to ''only'' the class type in question with their own dlp page while not linking to [[Classes (MSRD)]].</s>
# Update all tables to d20 class.
# <s>Update all categories to newest system.</s>
# Change all the pages to the formatting used in the preload (the very old pages are just haphazardly thrown together, and it doesn't look very professional).
# Make a D20 Modern specific creature template (with Massive Damage Threshold, etc.).
# Major overhaul of [[D20 Modern Races]]; it needs to look like the DnD version, with LA categories, an "All" page, etc.

::This is mainly just for me, and will grow as other important things come up. But feel free to add things if they come up. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 17:03, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::Some of this is going to be a pain to do without the ability to edit the MSRD. For example, the categories should be renamed, and the pages need to be split (there needs to be just a MSRD:Basic Classes page, that has the category "Basic Class (MSRD)", etc. Otherwise setting up some of the pages, such as the class splash page, can't be done with any sort of efficiency or order (see 2B above about classes, for example)... --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 15:13, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::Hm... All I can say is ask Dmilewski as he is in charge of the MSRD ''or'' just go for an RfA. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:43, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:::::I removed all the checks and x's from the page, primarily to make it look better. Is this okay? I figured I know pretty well what still has to be updated, and I'm keeping a running list here, so we don't need to clutter the home page with it... what do you think? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 00:06, 9 March 2007 (MST)

::::::I only speak for myself however it should be okay. Since you have taken over D20M I am sure you know what needs to be done. Removing the X's is a good move so visitors understand their is content even though X's used to be their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 9 March 2007 (MST)

== Homebrew Occupations? ==

Please do add a category for homebrew occupations, I have some I'd like to share. [[User:81.233.196.49|81.233.196.49]] 04:31, 1 June 2008 (MDT)

:Done. Enjoy! ''':)''' —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 13:27, 2 June 2008 (MDT)

==Homebrew to-do list==
We definitely need to sort out the re organisation of the classes at least... --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 16:05, 14 November 2008 (MST)

== Add Homebrew Skills? ==

Please add a category for homebrew skills, I have some ideas that I would like to share. -[[User:Sarrow|Sarrow]] 23:08, 8 February 2009 (MST)

== Elven Avenger... ==

I have an elven avenger and I need help on any homebrewing abilities that anyone can think of. Please help, Vega Theren...

== How do I make an animal? ==

Ok so i have no clue how to do this but i want to make an Exploding Chicken animal for D20M Apocalypse and all i know is that its a regular chicken that explodes when within 15ft of any nonchaotic for 1d6 damage at a range of 20ft. they have a total health of 3. they also are weak and are just mobile... firecracker i guess would be the best way of puting it. my DM said to just put it on here cause he wants to see what others think. thanks! --[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 20:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

:What do you mean by make it? There aren't really any rules to govern exploding chickens, so you will pretty much have to make them up yourself. I would say start with a chicken (might have to steal the stats from D&D (if they exist) or create your own), and just add a special quality called Explode. The explosion would probably require a reflex save for half damage (DC = 10 + chicken's Con mod). Probably more more than a CR 1/2 or 1. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:10, 23 January 2011 (MST)

== Home brew skill. Craft: Tailoring ==

Basically what i want to do with this class is enable my players to make stuff like vests, coats, bags, bullet proofs vests, those kinds of things. I have a decent idea of everything but my problem is my mind runs blank when i try to figure out the size encreasments, how much it would weight, and how many TU it would be worth. I also am running out of ideas for which this could be useble too. Please help me with this.
- - Sam Fullerton (Ozzy1234567890's DM)

:Well, just look at the standard [[MSRD:Craft (Skill)|crafting]] rules and go from there. Every item your players can make need a wealth DC, a craft DC, and a creation time. Technically, tailoring would only be good for items of clothing, most of which your players won't care about. You might expand it to textiles, allowing them to make anything out of cloth. So any cloth armor, back packs, special clothing, and so on would be game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:25, 2 February 2011 (MST)

::We were thinking more like what OTHER people think some of these things should be (the more spacific, the better). That way its more likely to be ballenced and the like. --[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 08:09, 3 February 2011 (MST)

:::So your players are tailoring to make money? That's just a [[MSRD:Profession (Skill)|Profession]] check, not a craft check. If you have to put a price on it, they wouldn't be any different than the prices [[MSRD:General Equipment|already listed]] for clothing. Other than that, tailoring just plain isn't that practical of a skill in a straight-up modern game. (How often in the movies does the hero stop from his assault on the bad guys to tailor a suit?) I mean, what would "other" people thing of a bag or a coat?

:::I'm not sure what you mean by size increasing -- you mean your characters want to make clothing for larger characters? The same applies as to what I said above: you need to make a wealth DC, a craft DC and a creation time. Off the top of my head, clothing might way 50% more each time you increase it's size (so a 10lb medium jacket is 15lbs large, 22lbs huge, 33 lbs gargantuan). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 3 February 2011 (MST)

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== Phoenix v0.1 ==

I have a free d20 Modern expansion pack that I've been working on. It's a superhero system, the goal of which is to maintain total d20 compatibility and be an expansion pack, not a standalone product. You can find it here (http://members.shaw.ca/orionuk/Phoenix.v0.1.pdf). There are seven chapters.

Ch1 "Building a Hero" (character creation).

Ch2 "Classes" (superhero classes, built on the D&D model)

Ch3 "Skills" (the d20 Modern skills, arranged by class)

Ch4 "Feats" (a complete list of all D&D and d20 Modern feats, with some Psionic feats thrown in, and 40+ pages of original feats)

Ch5 "Powers" (50+ pages of superhero-style powers, from Flight to Extra Limbs to Webbing)

Ch6 "Combat and Movement" (fighting with superstrength, swinging, fighting in zero-G)

Ch7 "Running the Game" (the GMing chapter, notes on superheroes as a genre, tips on running any RPG)

Please feel free to download the game! It's a hobby project. If you email the address listed in the Introduction, I will send you any and all updates to the system that I make in the future. Updates come out every six weeks or so, or when I feel like avoiding my dissertation.

== Please ==

Please add a section for Advanced Classes. Modern class structure follows the order of:

* Base Class
* Advanced Class
* Prestige Class

Advanced Classes are 10 levels, Prestige Classes are 5 levels. Base classes do not change often, though there have been (a couple) variant base classes created. The most customization of classes takes place in Advanced Classes. ~ ShadoStahker, WotC Modern board member

:I added it, thank you for telling me that. I do not play D20 Modern often, so...

::No problem, thanks for putting it up. I know a couple people on the WotC boards are also interested in a NPCs section (may be a good idea for the D&D part too). As well, there may be interest in a "talent trees" section for fan-made base class talent trees (if you aren't familiar, they're similar to class-specific feat trees, for base classes only). ~ ShadoStahker

:::NPCs... There's a link to such a wiki here: http://d20npcs.wikicities.com/wiki/D20_Modern_NPCs_by_Challenge_Rating

::::Actually, there's DnD NPCs there as well. --[[User:PsiSeveredHead|PsiSeveredHead]] 21:26, 15 February 2006 (MST) WotC board member

== Hello ==
My name is [[User:Wolfen Fenrison|Wolfen]] , some of you may remember me from the WotC boards, anyway I'm the admid for the D20 modern section so any questions or requests can be directed at me, thank you.

:Hey Wolfen. The only thing I can think of is a "Talent Trees" section. I personally don't use expanded talent trees, but I know some do. They may fit under "Variant Rules", though. Also, the main page is now unlocked. I don't know if you'd want to lock it again, but I'd assume so. ~ ShadoStahker

::You are correct expanded talent trees should go under varient rules -Wolfen

== Hi ==

This is blackknight5k from the wotc boards, how's it going? Anyways, I was thinking that it might be a good idea to more organize d20 modern with something like "d20 past, d20 modern, d20 future" because I know no one likes to go through d20 past stuff to get to a new mecha, or something like that. It might not be a problem now, but it might become a little cluttered if this wiki takes off.

:neccesity... as of late i hae become rather busy, finding a job, kingdom hearts 2, important stuff like that. but maby latter this week the d20 modern page will get a major update. as for sections for past and future, submissions should be marked for modern, past, or future. - Wolfen

::Em Back... Well the update I promised is done, and I updated my campaign setting, it is good to see all the material has been posted since green dragon and I concived this section and then handed it over to me. My hope is that as this game grows and evolves community support and creativity will grow as well, and remember the only stupid idea is the one not acted upon. - Wolfen

:::I agree with ''blackknight5k'' we need to break down d20 Modern into d20 Past, d20 Modern, d20 Future, and most all d20 Apocalypse. These variations are core to d20 Modern and if they sub-catagories are implemented now it will stop confusion in the future. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 18:15, 7 February 2007 (MST)

::::I say okay, lets do it. However, before anything else, all the D20 Past need to be part of [[:Category:D20 Past]], all the D20 Modern need to be a part of [[:Category:D20 Modern]], etc. When this is done the change will be easy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:15, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:::::The category right now is D20M for modern stuff. It would be easy enough to use D20P for past, D20F for future, and D20A for apocalypse. And the shorthand would be kept. Do we want to do it this way or the longer way (spelling out modern, past, etc.)? I personally prefer the shorthand... --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:03, 9 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Shorthand. When I posted that I did not think of good "Shorthands" so I just wrote them long. Good thinking and the Shorthands should be used. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:40, 11 February 2007 (MST)

== Keep em coming guys ==

I'm very pleased with the amount of matirial that is getting posted (the oil elemental is very sweet), I'm working on more stuff my self but job huntinh has priority right now. -Wolfen

== Categories ==

Are there any D20 modern categories? Virtually none of the pages have categories or "return to" bars. I'll start to add some, but I need to know what categories there are and (if there are none) what should be made (besides the obvious: D20 modern feats, classes, etc.). Help? --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:50, 18 December 2006 (MST)

:To be honest, I really don't care that much about D20M. I don't play it, and I only added it to this site as an afterthought. So... when a new item is posted, or when the D&D section of D&D Wiki changes, I do not change the D20M section to reflect the D&D change. This section is a ''very'' primitive version of the D&D section. If you would like, go ahead and update it, and try to make it like the D&D section. If you have any questions of what categories are correct for what please feel free to ask me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:55, 18 December 2006 (MST)

== Admin Cat change... ==

Could an admin please change the category of this page from "D20Modern" to "D20 Modern". The second category will be the one used for all the D20 Modern pages. Thanks! --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:49, 19 December 2006 (MST)

:I changed the category; but not to what you wanted. I think all D20M material should be under D20M category, not D20 Modern. I changed it to reflect this. Will this work for your modernization of [[D20 Modern]]? Now for the reason: In the begginging of the D&D section of this site, all the cateories were [[:Category:Dungeons and Dragons]], and as the D&D seciton changed all the categories became [[:Category:DnD]] (Even though many are still part of [[:Category:Dungeons and Dragons]]). So, since you are bringing this up to date, all the categories should be brought up to date. I hope I made sense... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:02, 19 December 2006 (MST)

== Updating Check Boxes ==

I changed the equipment splash page. It can have a green check mark now. I'll fix up the rest in the coming days. ''':)''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:00, 9 February 2007 (MST)

:Feats now, also. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:35, 10 February 2007 (MST)

::And Races and FX Abilities. All have been updated to mirror the DnD pages. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 03:45, 10 February 2007 (MST)

:::For the classes description on this page, the "and NPC..." should be removed. There are not NPC classes in D20 Modern. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:04, 10 February 2007 (MST)

::::Okay...
::::*Classes
::::**<strike>The actual pages need a dlpc header so they show up on the "With Descriptions" pages</strike>
::::**<strike>Since the MSRD has been added all the MSRD classes need to be linked to here just like [[DnD Classes]].</strike>
::::**the "By type" pages need to be made with dlpcu's.
::::*Equipment
::::**This needs to be like [[DnD Equipment]] with the table (maybe?).
::::*Feats
::::**Shouldn't these be organized into general categories than put into wikitables (like [[DnD Feats]])?
::::*FX Abilities
::::**They need to be broken up by class than (so it is ''more'' advanced than [[DnD Feats]]) into dpl's by level.
::::*Races
::::**There must be a LA page; an all page, and the LA pages should include a dplcu list (like LA 6 races on [[3.5e Races]]). Also, this page needs to look like [[3.5e Races]] when done (LA on the side with links to other places throughout).
::::This is all I can think of now, and I am sorry if this is a lot (I left all the harder ones to be done later ''':)'''). If you want help ask and I will be more than willing to help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:08, 11 February 2007 (MST)

:::::I'm going to put off working on the equipment and FX Abilities for now, since there is almost no content there. It can be updated later, if necessary. For now the simply DPLC lists I've implemented should work. Classes is first up for work; I'm actually finally getting there on some of the things to do. Next up will be races and, as I go, fixing all the tables into the "d20" class (I'm doing this as I go, for the most part). --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 02:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Okay. So far classes looks better than before. Good work so far. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Checklist of Updates and Revisions ==

# Add preload functions:
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Character Optimizations]]</s>
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Classes]]</s>
#*<s>[[D20 Modern Feats]]</s>
#*[[D20 Modern Races]]
#*[[D20 Modern Creatures]]
#*[[D20 Modern NPCs]]
# D20 Modern Classes:
#*<s> Add dplcus for classes by type.</s>
#* <s>Make the MSRD links link to ''only'' the class type in question with their own dlp page while not linking to [[Classes (MSRD)]].</s>
# Update all tables to d20 class.
# <s>Update all categories to newest system.</s>
# Change all the pages to the formatting used in the preload (the very old pages are just haphazardly thrown together, and it doesn't look very professional).
# Make a D20 Modern specific creature template (with Massive Damage Threshold, etc.).
# Major overhaul of [[D20 Modern Races]]; it needs to look like the DnD version, with LA categories, an "All" page, etc.

::This is mainly just for me, and will grow as other important things come up. But feel free to add things if they come up. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 17:03, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::Some of this is going to be a pain to do without the ability to edit the MSRD. For example, the categories should be renamed, and the pages need to be split (there needs to be just a MSRD:Basic Classes page, that has the category "Basic Class (MSRD)", etc. Otherwise setting up some of the pages, such as the class splash page, can't be done with any sort of efficiency or order (see 2B above about classes, for example)... --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 15:13, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::Hm... All I can say is ask Dmilewski as he is in charge of the MSRD ''or'' just go for an RfA. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:43, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:::::I removed all the checks and x's from the page, primarily to make it look better. Is this okay? I figured I know pretty well what still has to be updated, and I'm keeping a running list here, so we don't need to clutter the home page with it... what do you think? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 00:06, 9 March 2007 (MST)

::::::I only speak for myself however it should be okay. Since you have taken over D20M I am sure you know what needs to be done. Removing the X's is a good move so visitors understand their is content even though X's used to be their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 9 March 2007 (MST)

== Homebrew Occupations? ==

Please do add a category for homebrew occupations, I have some I'd like to share. [[User:81.233.196.49|81.233.196.49]] 04:31, 1 June 2008 (MDT)

:Done. Enjoy! ''':)''' —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 13:27, 2 June 2008 (MDT)

==Homebrew to-do list==
We definitely need to sort out the re organisation of the classes at least... --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 16:05, 14 November 2008 (MST)

== Add Homebrew Skills? ==

Please add a category for homebrew skills, I have some ideas that I would like to share. -[[User:Sarrow|Sarrow]] 23:08, 8 February 2009 (MST)

== Elven Avenger... ==

I have an elven avenger and I need help on any homebrewing abilities that anyone can think of. Please help, Vega Theren...

== How do I make an animal? ==

Ok so i have no clue how to do this but i want to make an Exploding Chicken animal for D20M Apocalypse and all i know is that its a regular chicken that explodes when within 15ft of any nonchaotic for 1d6 damage at a range of 20ft. they have a total health of 3. they also are weak and are just mobile... firecracker i guess would be the best way of puting it. my DM said to just put it on here cause he wants to see what others think. thanks! --[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 20:43, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

:What do you mean by make it? There aren't really any rules to govern exploding chickens, so you will pretty much have to make them up yourself. I would say start with a chicken (might have to steal the stats from D&D (if they exist) or create your own), and just add a special quality called Explode. The explosion would probably require a reflex save for half damage (DC = 10 + chicken's Con mod). Probably more more than a CR 1/2 or 1. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:10, 23 January 2011 (MST)

== Home brew skill. Craft: Tailoring ==

Basically what i want to do with this class is enable my players to make stuff like vests, coats, bags, bullet proofs vests, those kinds of things. I have a decent idea of everything but my problem is my mind runs blank when i try to figure out the size encreasments, how much it would weight, and how many TU it would be worth. I also am running out of ideas for which this could be useble too. Please help me with this.
- - Sam Fullerton (Ozzy1234567890's DM)

:Well, just look at the standard [[MSRD:Craft (Skill)|crafting]] rules and go from there. Every item your players can make need a wealth DC, a craft DC, and a creation time. Technically, tailoring would only be good for items of clothing, most of which your players won't care about. You might expand it to textiles, allowing them to make anything out of cloth. So any cloth armor, back packs, special clothing, and so on would be game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:25, 2 February 2011 (MST)

::We were thinking more like what OTHER people think some of these things should be (the more spacific, the better). That way its more likely to be ballenced and the like. --[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 08:09, 3 February 2011 (MST)

:::So your players are tailoring to make money? That's just a [[MSRD:Profession (Skill)|Profession]] check, not a craft check. If you have to put a price on it, they wouldn't be any different than the prices [[MSRD:General Equipment|already listed]] for clothing. Other than that, tailoring just plain isn't that practical of a skill in a straight-up modern game. (How often in the movies does the hero stop from his assault on the bad guys to tailor a suit?) I mean, what would "other" people thing of a bag or a coat?

:::I'm not sure what you mean by size increasing -- you mean your characters want to make clothing for larger characters? The same applies as to what I said above: you need to make a wealth DC, a craft DC and a creation time. Off the top of my head, clothing might way 50% more each time you increase it's size (so a 10lb medium jacket is 15lbs large, 22lbs huge, 33 lbs gargantuan). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 3 February 2011 (MST)

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