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2007-06-18T22:51:16Z

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Hi, [[User talk:David Latapie#Your signature|Sledged answered your question]]. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 02:36, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:Thanks, got it. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:55, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

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{{Barnstar|I give you this Barnstar for getting rid of all the double redirects on D&D Wiki as of April 30th 2007. The double redirects were getting out of control with more than 500 present until Armond stepped up, took the initiative, and began to fix them, one by one. Thanks a ton! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:20, 30 April 2007 (MDT)}}

You know I couldn't have finished it without the sysop privileges you trusted me with. Thanks for that trust, GD! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 19:54, 30 April 2007 (MDT)

:(normally one puts barnstars on their user-page...) --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Assassin (3.5e Class)

2007-06-18T22:48:42Z

Armond: /* Complexity */

==Author's notes==

I wanted to put in the 25% chance of an instant kill on any critical hit from the Fire Emblem series, but I decided to behave. :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:56, 11 April 2007 (MDT)

== Complexity ==

First Off I must say this class is very complex and will be a pain to keep a track off, with ever refilling and depleting critical strikes, it made it really hard for me to even know what balance to give this class. I suggest trying to tidy this up a bit might make it a bit easier to understand.

Now onto balance:
The Critical Striked ability is the first thing that shouted broken, so lets say an assasin with a keen dagger, 17-20 Critical right? then he adds the + 4 bonus for this class, this is scoring a critical on a 13-20, it may be just me but at around that point critical strikes seem to lose their meaning. Also, on another note what do these critical points represent, they must have some flavour reason for te assasin needing to score a critical hit, at the moment it doesnt make much sense.

It also allows for them to carry a bunch of rats coup de grace the rats getting auto criticals and charging their crit points. I am sorry to say this but the base mechanic this class works around (The Critical points) In my opinion need to be revised, as at the moment it seems like it will be hard to work into a game both story wise and mechanically. That is all I have to say for now, I look forward to your response

On a side note, the save DC's of "spells" are very low and you may want to increase the save dc beyond 12 + Int Mod
[[User:Linkrulesx10|Linkrulesx10]] 05:34, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

:Thank you for your response. This class was based off the [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Assassin Guild Wars Assassin], who can have up to a 30% chance of landing a critical hit without breaking a sweat - and any assassin worth his salt brings something to increase that even more (such as a keen dagger, when translated into D&D). The other thing is that daggers seem to have a higher base chance to land a critical hit than other weapons (something like 10%). On the flip side, critical damage in GW is only max damage × <math>\sqrt(2)</math>. The thing both games share is that the assassin is forced to use low damage weapons.

:I guess the real problem was trying to convert the biggest feature of their critical hits into D&D; Assassins gain energy when they land critical hits, energy which is used for their attack skills (here called "critical attacks"). I think I broke it, though.

::Just threw in a strong nerf - target has to have a CR of at least equal to the assassin's. Goes against the GW thing of a higher crit chance on lower level enemies, but then again any time you're attacking an enemy ten levels lower than you the outcome is pretty much decided anyway, especially with a max level of 20. Also decreased duration of the critical strikes points to 24 hours. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 10:56, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

:Spell DCs: I thought about that at one point, and I thought I had changed it to 3×spell level, but I guess not. I'll do that now.

:Again, thanks for your comments - I want to make this a good class, and your input is helpful. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 10:56, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

::What if damage dealt is decreased as crit chance increases? What if for each +1 to a crit chance, you deal -1 damage for each die rolled on dagger attacks and effects created due to this spell and take a -1 penalty on bonus damage from critical attacks? The latter would likely have a cap - I'm thinking -4 or so, but I could be convinced otherwise. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:30, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, well if you want this class to absorb damage from a critical hit, you might have to put that in there, also, just a suggestion but might it be easier to combine the deadly arts and the critical strikes into one mechanic? As that would simplify things but it may lose the kind of flavour you are looking for (I have never played guild wars) Ok, if you don't mind I shall make a few more comments:

:::Maybe I am blind but can we get a definition on the difference between a primary, follow up and finishing attack it, I can work it our flavour wise but I can't see rules supporting it... If I may say, maybe instead of the crit attack theme you may want to focus on the idea that they start of combat with an initial attack, chain it on to a follow up and then finish it, using that kind of mechanic instead of the critical. These are all suggestions so feel free to ignore which ever one's don't fit. One more point, what it you made the spell DC's 10 + Half Class level + Int... [[User:Linkrulesx10|Linkrulesx10]] 21:54, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

::::The problem is that the only real way to define the attacks is by saying what follows what. Generally, a followup follows a primary and a final blow follows a followup, but there are a bunch of exceptions (palm strike, black spider strike, falling spider being just a few). About DCs, that sounds better than 3xlevel, I'll put it in. About arts, I really don't see how they would combine with crits - one's for attacking, and the other's basically spellcasting. About attacks and crits, I'm loathe to combine them, but if nothing better comes up I'll have to do that... Thanks again. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 23:39, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Smacked that one down with the nerfbat of doom. It's now effectively useless until level 5, though it's still a stat that increases based on level starting at a certain level. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 21:00, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

I have to agree that this class is unnecessarily complicated. The main problem is that you invent your own mechanics when there is a "D&D way to do it". I suggest you take a step away from the Guildwars assassin and towards D&D.
*Hex and Buff spell categories: Unnecessary. D&D does not make such a distinction in official rules, even though there are a lot of D&D spells that are either buffs or hexes (also called debuffs). Just remove that part, what is hex and what is buff can be understood just from descriptions. As for "must strike a hexed foe", remove all of them. It makes playing the class much easier.
*Disoriented condition: D&D already has a long list of conditions, [http://www.d20srd.org/indexes/conditions.htm see SRD]. Don't invent your own. Just replace disoriented with an official condition that fits the purpose.
*Clear up your definitions! "Deadly arts cannot benefit from Metamagic feats, since they aren't '''strictly''' spells. However, they can benefit from feats that deal with spell-like abilities." There is no "strictly" in game rules. Either they are spells, or they are spell-like abilities. Decide! If they are spell-like abilities, then it is not necessary to state that they are not spells. And don't create anything in between. If they are spell-like abilities, then arcane spell failure chance does not apply. If you want it to apply, make them spells!
*:WotC has set the precedent exception to this rule. Invocations are SLAs that are subject arcane spell failure (see the warlock in the ''[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/179250000 Complete Arcane]'' and/or the dragon adept in ''[http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/953837200 Dragon Magic]''). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:48, 14 June 2007 (MDT)
*The whole "charge your critical meter" thing works well in a computer game, but it is annoying at the game table. "Hey Bob, how many crit points did you have last session?" - "Ah, I had that on my not sheet... damn, can't find it!" Wait, I just stab Pete for subdual damage until my crit meter is up again!" Please change that. Ideally, the number of critical strikes should be limited per encounter.
*"The assassin cannot learn elite critical attacks unless he already knows three or more other critical attacks." - For everybody who can count, this means he can choose elite critical attacks from 11th level on. Wouldn't it be easier to just state it that way?
*"Critical attacks must always hit a foe that was hit in the previous ten rounds by the prerequisite attack type defined by the critical attack." Uhh, 10 rounds? Very few D&D combats last 10 rounds. And what good is an assassin that needs 10 rounds to dispose of a foe?
*"From 15th level onwards, the assassin can instead choose any rogue special abilities that he does not already have." - Vetoed. Rogue special abilities are for ''Rogues''. Don't steal the cream of other classes.
*It's not called "Health", it's called "Hit points". Use the proper D&D terms to avoid confusing the reader.
*Both "Critical Strikes" and "Dagger Mastery" increase the critical hit threat range. If I calculate right, the threat range increases by +7! That's way too much. With Keen or Improved Critical a level 17 Assassin has a threat range of 10-20!? But it's all kind of moot because his BAB is a crappy +12 and he has to confirm all threats. And critical hits won't make much difference. Really. At level 17, he does 1d6+Str+enhancement bonus base damage, but 6d6 Sneak Attack damage that remains the same regardless of criticals. So why bother.
*Shadowy Dodge (Su): - Again, that is an ability right out of the Guildwars, but D&D abilities don't work that way. What you are looking for is called "Hide in plain sight", as per Ranger ability.

I'm aware that these changes will bring more changes with them. For example, if the "critical meter" is removed, the Black Lotus Strike is useless and must be rewritten. But this is necessary. --[[User:Mkill|Mkill]] 02:57, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

:I have to admit you're right on this, and I have myself been considering the wisdom of making a class this complex, but job hunt, etc. is taking me away from the wiki a lot lately... I'm starting to think that this should be rewritten from the bottom up (which would, of course, call for an archive of the talk page). Perhaps it should be more a literal translation of the Assassin prestige class? The main thing I wanted was an assassin-like character (lots of damage, very fragile, but good at dodging to make up for it), but without the alignment restriction of the original. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:48, 18 June 2007 (MDT)

== capstone ability ==

The class, as it is now, does not gain anything at lvl 20 (also called the Rogue disease). A mere +1 BAB and +1 Will save, pretty much any multiclass will do better. Give it a cornerstone ability that is worth it! --[[User:Mkill|Mkill]] 23:57, 11 June 2007 (MDT)

:Yeah I noticed that, but I'm not sure what to put in there, or if Shadow Displacement should be lvl 20... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:53, 13 June 2007 (MDT)

::I have several ideas for a capstone ability but first we need to clean up the rest of the class. --[[User:Mkill|Mkill]] 02:57, 14 June 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Assassin (3.5e Class)

2007-06-14T05:53:14Z

Armond: /* capstone ability */

Assassin (3.5e Class)

2007-06-12T05:02:53Z

Armond: Major update - balance and cleanup - part 1

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= The Assassin =

The assassin is an unfailing assailant; most of his targets never see him, and fewer still survive his first assault. The assassin stays in the shadows until the time is right. When it is, he takes a single step, transporting his way to his target, and unleashes a lethal flurry of attacks before making his way back to safety. Those few that survive this attack are generally unable to find their assassin, who has blended perfectly with the shadows by that point. Even if they do, they may find that he is quite capable of short bursts of hand-to-hand combat - short enough to finish the weakened foe, but not long enough for the assassin to take damage.

The assassin is a subtle character, not wasting time hefting huge weapons to bring to bear or casting spells to destroy large portions of an area. Instead, he is best against a single target, taking little time to make his attacks.

The assassin's skills also focus on being able to survive while beyond the aid of his teammates, as he may well be beyond the healing ability of the party's cleric while waiting for an opportune moment to strike.

The assassin's abilities come at a steep cost: while he is an expert in the use of daggers and has excellent mobility, he is unable to use any other weapon or any armor heavier than light (and, indeed, loses nearly all of the benefits of this class if he violates these restrictions).

Note that this assassin is not a literal translation from the [[Assassin|Assassin prestige class]] into a base class; rather, this is an assassin stylized for combat without the alignment restrictions of the original and with new combat abilities. Additionally, this class should not be used in any campaign where the [[user:Armond/Deadly Assassin (DnD Prestige Class)|Deadly Assassin]] prestige class is used.

'''Adventure:''' Many assassins quest for payment or to exact vengeance for some slight (real or imagined) on their honor. Some of them, however, put their abilities to use in the fight for good; indeed, the demon lord Ahzalakh was struck down by a pair of blades belonging to the assassin who fought in the name of Pelor.

'''Characteristics:''' Many assassins are quiet, as there is no way to be sure of a kill if your target knows where you are. Some are contemplative as a result, curious as to the rights and wrongs of their profession. As they gain in power, some become cocky, while others become more and more quiet. It is a common joke among their companions that an increase in power for the assassin comes with the cost of muteness.

'''Alignment:''' Most assassins are in some way chaotic, with lawful characters being quite rare. Additionally, most are neutral or evil, but nothing restricts an assassin from putting his talents to use for good and law.

'''Religion:''' Many assassins identify with Nerull or Wee Jas, though Olidammara, Erythnul, and Vecna receive a significant amount of worship from members of this class. From the more holy deities, Heironeous is a common choice, though perhaps not among the more chaotic assassins. Those that focus on their form of spellcasting sometimes revere Boccob.

'''Background:''' Assassins are generally trained in secret by one already knowledgeable of the trade. They can live and grow with their masters, or they may move out after learning the basics; very few evil assassins live long with one another, however, due to the lack of trust between each other.

'''Races:''' [[Human]]s and [[Half-elf|Half-elves]] make good assassins due to their versatility, eagerness to succeed, and willingness to do whatever they need to to gain power. Some [[elf|elves]] take this class, but few [[dwarf|dwarves]], or [[half-orc]]s do. [[Gnome]]s neither prefer nor reject the way of the assassin, but [[halfling]]s generally tend to favor the [[rogue]].

'''Other Classes:''' Assassins get along well with Rogues and Ninjas, sharing similar abilities but different ways of using them. Likewise, they often conflict with [[Paladin]]s, not understanding their restrictions to the "code of honor". However, they appreciate their brute force in battle as a distraction from themselves, along with the same abilities in the [[Fighter]] and Samurai. Arcane and Divine spellcasters are always appreciated for support and healing.

'''Role:''' The assassin works best as a melee support character. He works best when the enemy is distracted, slipping in just long enough to add to the battle before getting out. As he must avoid being targeted with attacks, the assassin is not a strong frontline character. The assassin gains some durability at higher levels, but never as much as the Fighter or Paladin. Thus, the assassin is still best when he is not expected.

== Game Rule Information ==

Assassins have the following game statistics:

'''Abilities:''' [[Dexterity]] helps the assassin immensely, as it increases his low [[AC]], his combat ability with daggers, the effectiveness of his Critical Strikes, and his ability to stay hidden from his enemies. [[Wisdom]] increases the power of his Shadow Arts, and [[Intelligence]] assists his spellcasting and Deadly Arts.

'''Alignment:''' Any.

'''Starting Age:''' Complex.

'''Starting Gold:''' 4d4 × 10 gp (100 gp).

{| class="d20" id="Table: The Assassin"
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<div style="float: left;"> Table: The Assassin </div>
Hit Die: d6
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[Base Attack Bonus (terminology)|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[Saving Throws]]
! rowspan="2" style="text-align: center;" | Special
! colspan="2" | Deadly Arts Known
|-
! [[Saving Throws#Fortitude|Fort]]
! [[Saving Throws#Reflex|Ref]]
! [[Saving Throws#Will|Will]]
! 1st || 2nd
|-
| 1st || +0 || +0 || +2 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +1d6]], [[#Dagger Finesse|Dagger finesse]], [[#Shadow Vision|shadow vision]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 2nd || +1 || +0 || +3 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Two-Dagger Fighting|Two-dagger fighting]], [[#Critical Strikes|critical strikes +1]] || — || —
|-
| 3rd || +2 || +1 || +3 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Evasion|Evasion]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +2d6]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 4th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Run|Shadow run]] || 0 || —
|-
| 5th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Uncanny Dodge|Uncanny dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 0 || —
|- class="even"
| 6th || +4 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Walk|Shadow walk]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +3d6]] || 1 || —
|-
| 7th || +5 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +2]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 8th || +6/+1 || +2 || +6 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Uncanny Dodge|Improved uncanny dodge]], [[#Dagger Defense|dagger defense]] || 1 || —
|-
| 9th || +6/+1 || +3 || +6 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +4d6]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 10th || +7/+2 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 1 || —
|-
| 11th || +8/+3 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadowy Dodge|Shadowy dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack ]]|| 1 || 0
|- class="even"
| 12th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +3]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +5d6]] || 1 || 1
|-
| 13th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Evasion|Improved evasion]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || 1
|- class="even"
| 14th || +10/+5 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Dagger Mastery|Dagger mastery]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 15th || +11/+6/+1 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +6d6]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 1
|- class="even"
| 16th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 17th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +4]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 2
|- class="even"
| 18th || +13 /+8/+3|| +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Displacement|Shadow displacement]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +7d6]] || 3 || 2
|-
| 19th || +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]] || 3 || 3
|- class="even"
| 20th || +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +12 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 3 || 3
|-
| colspan="42" style="text-align: left; border: none;" |
'''Class Skills (4 + Int modifier per level; ×4 at 1st level)''' [[Balance (SRD Skill)|Balance]] ([[Dex]]), [[Climb (SRD Skill)|Climb]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration (Skill)|Concentration]] ([[Con]]), [[Craft (SRD Skill)|Craft]] ([[Int]]), [[SRD:Disable Device (Skill)|Disable Device]] ([[Int]]), [[Disguise (SRD Skill)|Disguise]] ([[Cha]]), [[Hide (SRD Skill)|Hide]] ([[Dex]]), [[Jump (SRD Skill)|Jump]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Knowledge (Skill)|Knowledge (Arcana)]] ([[Int]]), [[Listen (SRD Skill)|Listen]] ([[Wis]]), [[Move Silently (SRD Skill)|Move Silently]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Open Lock (Skill)|Open Lock]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Search (Skill)|Search]] ([[Int]]), [[Sleight of Hand (SRD Skill)|Sleight of Hand]] ([[Dex]]), [[Spot (SRD Skill)|Spot]] ([[Wis]]), [[Tumble (SRD Skill)|Tumble]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Use Rope (Skill)|Use Rope]] ([[Dex]]).
|}

== Class Features ==

The following terms are used in the description of the assassin:

''Bleeding:'' Some assassin attacks cause bleeding. A bleeding character loses 1d4 health at the beginning of his turn. A [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell or similar effect will remove this affliction. The target is allowed a Fortitude save after taking damage to remove the bleeding every time he takes damage from it (the result is applied after the damage).

Multiple bleeding effects do not stack; the effect with the longest duration supersedes the others.

''Buff:'' A buff spell is a type of [[#Deadly Arts|deadly art]] that causes a positive effect on its target. Buffs can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Haste]]'') may be considered buffs as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Daggers:'' For the purposes of this class, all of the following weapons are considered to be "daggers": [[Dagger (SRD Weapon)|Dagger]], [[Dirk (DnD Equipment)|Dirk]], [[Kama (SRD Weapon)|Kama]], [[Kukri (SRD Weapon)|Kukri]], [[Dagger, Punching (SRD Weapon)|Punching Dagger]], [[Sai (SRD Weapon)|Sai]], and [[Siangham (SRD Weapon)|Siangham]]. The dungeon master may determine that weapons similar to these will also qualify as daggers for this class.

''Deep wound:'' A character with a deep wound has his current and maximum health reduced by 20%, and suffers a -2 penalty to [[constitution]]. In addition, all healing on the character heals for 20% less hit points (other effects are unaffected; thus, a [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell still removes all afflictions, including this one, but heals for 20% less health than is stated). At the end of his turn each round, including the one in which the deep wound was applied, the victim is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the wound.

''Disoriented:'' A disoriented character cannot effectively focus his mind to cast spells, manifest powers, or perform similar acts. Such acts take twice as long to perform (a swift action becomes a move action [but still counts toward the limit of one swift action per turn], a move action becomes a standard action, and a standard action becomes a full-round action) and any [[SRD:Concentration (Skill)|Concentration]] checks to complete the action automatically fail. The target automatically fails a concentration check to maintain any such action being performed when it becomes disoriented.

''Elite ability:'' Some assassin abilities are more powerful than others. As such, they are marked as "elite abilities". The assassin can use a number of elite abilities per day equal to one-half his class level plus his wisdom modifier. Some deadly arts are elite abilities.

''Hex:'' A hex spell is a type of deadly art that causes a negative effect or condition on its target. Hexes can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Slow]]'') may be considered hexes as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Poison:'' Poison from this class works differently from normal poison. A poisoned character takes 1d6 damage at the beginning of each of his turns. This poison never deals ability damage. The assassin's poison is affected by spells, immunities, and so forth as though it were normal poison. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the poison every time he takes damage from it (the result is applied after the damage).

Multiple poisonous effects do not stack; the one with the longest duration supersedes the others. However, assassin poison stacks with normal poison.

''Shadow step:'' A shadow step is similar to a teleport; however, it only affects the assassin and any gear on his person. Whenever the assassin shadow steps, he disappears from his current location, travels through the Shadow Plane, and reappears in the new location. Bursts of shadow appear in both squares affected. Unless otherwise specified, shadow steps have unlimited range, but must begin and end on the same plane. If the assassin shadow steps to an occupied square, he is shoved towards the nearest space large enough to hold his body mass (which may or may not be within the same square, depending on what now occupies it) and takes 1d6 damage for each 5 feet traveled.

All of the following are class features of the assassin.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' The assassin is proficient with light armor and all daggers.

'''Sneak Attack ([[Ex]]):''' If an assassin can catch an opponent when she is unable to defend herself effectively from his attack, he can strike a vital spot for extra damage. This extra damage does not apply if the assassin wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

The assassin’s attack deals extra damage any time his target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the assassin [[Flanking (SRD Rules)|flanks]] his target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and it increases by 1d6 every assassin level divisible by three thereafter. Should the assassin score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied.

The assassin cannot take a -4 penalty to deal nonlethal damage with a sneak attack.

An assassin can sneak attack only living creatures with discernible anatomies - [[:Category:Undead Type|undead]], [[:Category:Construct Type|constructs]], [[:Category:Ooze Type|oozes]], [[:Category:Plant Type|plants]], and [[:Category:Incorporeal Subtype|incorporeal]] creatures lack vital areas to attack. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is not vulnerable to sneak attacks. The assassin must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. An assassin cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with [[Concealment (SRD Rules)|concealment]] or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.

'''Dagger Finesse:''' The assassin gains the [[Weapon Finesse]] feat for any dagger he chooses, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Shadow Vision ([[Ex]]):''' All assassins train in darkness due to their affinity with the shadows. As a result, an assassin gains [[low-light vision]]. If he already has low-light vision, he may choose to gain [[darkvision]] with a range of 60 feet or to double the effectiveness of his low-light vision. If he already has darkvision and low-light vision, he may instead choose to retain a semblance of color in his darkvision.

The assassin also gains a +1 bonus to any [[spot]] checks he makes, as his eyes have become slightly more fine-tuned due the stress of learning to see in what is normally too dark for him to see.

'''Two-Dagger Fighting:''' At 2nd level, the assassin gains the [[Two-Weapon Fighting]] feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' At 2nd level and above, the assassin has a critical strikes score of one. This score increases by one for every five additional class levels the assassin has. Whenever the assassin successfully makes a critical hit with one or more daggers against a target with a [[Challenge Rating]] no less than his own, he adds this number to his critical strikes pool. In addition, the threat range of any dagger the assassin wields is increased by one-half this level. These critical strikes points fade at the end of the encounter, and his critical strikes pool cannot exceed his class level. The assassin must have at least one point in his critical strikes pool in order to use a critical attack (see below). The assassin loses these benefits if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 3rd level and higher, an assassin can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If he makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, he instead takes no damage. The assassin loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of evasion.

'''Shadow Run ([[Su]]):''' At 4th level, the assassin learns the first of his Shadow Arts: the ability to be captured by the shadows at a later point. When the assassin activates this ability, his maximum speed increases by 10 feet for a number of rounds equal to his class level + his wisdom modifier. After those rounds pass, the assassin shadow steps to the square in which he activated this ability.

'''Deadly Arts ([[Sp]]):''' An assassin does not prepare or cast spells in quite the same way that other arcane spellcasters do. Instead, his training focuses on what are known as "deadly arts" - unique spells with different mechanics. (Because of the way they are used and the wide variety of abilities they cover, deadly arts are sometimes "cast", "used", or "activated", and may be referred to as "skills", "spells", or "abilities", though in truth they are always a combination of all of these.) These compliment the assassin's other talents, making him far more effective in battle. Daggers thrown in the process of using a deadly art are created as part of the casting. An assassin can use any deadly art he knows at will, with the following qualifications:

An assassin's deadly arts are spell-like abilities; using a deadly art is usually a move-equivalent action that provokes [[attacks of opportunity]], though some may be attacks. A deadly art can be disrupted, just as a spell can be ruined during casting. An assassin is entitled to a [[Concentration]] check to successfully use an deadly art if he is hit by an attack while casting, just as a spellcaster would be. An assassin can choose to use an art defensively, by making a successful Concentration check, to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity. An assassin's deadly arts are subject to spell resistance unless an art specifically states otherwise. An assassin's caster level with his deadly arts is equal to one-half his class level.

The save DC for a deadly art (if it allows a save) is 10 + the assassin's caster level + the assassin's Intelligence modifier. The assassin cannot cast a deadly art if he does not have an Intelligence score of at least 10 + spell level.

Deadly arts cannot benefit from Metamagic feats, since they aren't strictly spells. However, they can benefit from feats that deal with spell-like abilities.

Deadly arts are subject to arcane spell failure caused by armors, unlike other spell-like abilities. This applies to all kinds except for light armors, since the somatic components required for invocations are relatively simple. All deadly arts have a somatic component.

Deadly arts normally have a range of 100 feet. Some deadly arts have half the normal range; thus, their range is 50 feet. A few deadly arts have a range of touch or personal.

There are two levels of deadly arts. At 11th level, the assassin may choose to trade out any first-level spell he knows for another first-level spell.

The assassin only ever learns a limited number of deadly arts spells. He learns deadly arts according to the progression on Table: The Assassin above, plus bonus deadly arts according to his Intelligence modifier. These bonus deadly arts known are earned the same way bonus spells per day are earned, with one exception: The assassin may never have more than one bonus deadly art for each level.

The assassin chooses his deadly arts known from the [[#Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List|Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List]], below.

'''Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' Starting at 5th level, an assassin can react to danger before her senses would normally allow her to do so. He retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if he is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, he still loses her Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.

'''Critical Attack:''' At 5th level and every odd-numbered level thereafter, an assassin learns one critical attack. Each critical attack costs him at least one point from his critical strikes pool. Some critical attacks are elite abilities (see above); if so, this is mentioned in their entry as seen below. The assassin cannot learn elite critical attacks unless he already knows three or more other critical attacks.

Critical attack entries follow the following format: ''Name of attack:'' Elite (if elite) damage type (if applicable) type of critical attack. Description of the attack.

Critical attacks fall into one of three categories: primary attacks, followup attacks, and final blows. A critical attack cannot be used if the assassin does not have a number of points in his critical strikes pool at least equal to the number of points the critical attack would use. [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] never applies to critical attacks.

An assassin must attempt to deal the correct type of damage with his critical attack (slashing or piercing); thus, daggers that can deal either type of damage (or one dagger in each hand with one dealing slashing and the other dealing piercing damage) are extremely beneficial, as they may prevent the assassin from taking a -4 penalty on his attack roll. If no damage type is indicated, the assassin can choose to deal either type of damage (but cannot choose to do bludgeoning damage unless the attack description specifically states otherwise). The assassin cannot deal subdual damage with a critical attack unless the attack's description specifically states otherwise.

Any critical attacks that "fail" simply miss. A failed or incomplete critical attack still consumes points from the critical strikes pool, as does one that misses normally. A critical attack fails if its prerequisites are not met or if it does not strike a foe that is affected by the required attack type or hex. (Therefore, attempting to use a chain of critical attacks out of order will result in numerous attacks that do not hit and drain the assassin's critical strikes pool.)

The following are prerequisites of any critical attack: The assassin cannot make more than two critical attacks in one round, and never consecutively. The assassin can only make critical attacks with one or more daggers of any type, and only when wearing light or no armor and not wearing a shield. Critical attacks must always hit a foe that was hit in the previous ten rounds by the prerequisite attack type defined by the critical attack. If a critical attack requires the assassin to be buffed or to hit a hexed foe, these two restrictions do not apply so long as the assassin and/or his target are affected as required.

From 15th level onwards, the assassin can instead choose any [[SRD:Rogue (Class)#Special Abilities|rogue special abilities]] that he does not already have. He may not choose a feat in place of this special ability.

Critical attacks are chosen from the following list. The dungeon master may approve the use of additional critical attacks in the campaign, or disallow the use of certain critical attacks, as he sees fit.

''Black Lotus Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, you gain points toward your critical strikes pool as if you had landed a critical hit. (You do not deal critical damage with this attack unless you actually land a critical hit.) This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Black Spider Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, the target is poisoned for seven rounds. The assassin gains a +3 bonus on this attack roll. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Critical Strike:'' Final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack results in a critical hit. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Disrupting Stab:'' Piercing primary attack. If this attack hits, any spell being cast by target foe is automatically lost as though the caster had failed a [[Concentration (SRD Skill)|concentration]] check. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Falling Spider:'' Piercing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. This attack fails if it does not strike a prone foe. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to his class level (maximum +12). If this attack hits, the foe is poisoned for 5 rounds. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Dexterity modifier.

''Fox Fangs:'' Followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +12) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +6). This attack ignores the target's shield bonus to AC and uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Fox Strike:'' Piercing primary attack. You gain a bonus to this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds your class level (maximum +16). If you are buffed, you gain a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to 1 + one-half your assassin class level (maximum +12) and this attack ignores any shield bonus your target has to his AC. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Phoenix Strike:'' Slashing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. If you are not buffed, this attack misses. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +15) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +8). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Horns of the Ox:'' Piercing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds his class level (maximum +15). If this attack hits, the target is knocked [[Prone (SRD Term)|prone]]. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Jagged Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. If this attack hits, the target begins bleeding for four rounds. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Dexterity modifier.

''Moebius Strike:'' Final blow. Must follow a followup attack. You cannot learn this critical attack unless you could learn an elite critical attack.

''Nine Tail Strike:'' Slashing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack fails if you cannot make a full attack when you make this attack. You attack four times, each with a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Palm Strike ([[Su]]):'' Elite followup attack. This attack fails if you do not have at least one hand empty (except for a gauntlet, glove, or similar object). You can use the [[Quick Draw]] feat to sheathe a dagger before making this attack and draw it out again afterwards, and your [[#Dagger Finesse|Dagger Finesse]] applies to this attack. Make a melee touch attack against target foe. If that foe is hit, you deal 1d8 damage for every two class levels you have in assassin to that foe, plus your Wisdom bonus (if any). You deal one less damage for every two dice of damage you deal. This damage is not susceptible to reduction of any form. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Punishing Blow:'' Elite primary attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack and damage rolls equal to one-half his class level (maximum bonus +12). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Shattering Assault ([[Sp]]):'' Elite final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack is made with a +1 bonus and ignores any shield bonus to the target's AC. If it hits, the target is affected as though by a targeted [[Dispel Magic (DnD Spell|Dispel Magic]] effect; however, the assassin can remove no more than two magical effects on his foe with this attack. His caster level for this purpose equals his class level. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d6+2 rounds.

''Temple Strike ([[Ex]]):'' Elite bludgeoning finishing blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack deals damage as though you were one size smaller, and you take a -4 penalty on this attack roll because you are using the pommel of your dagger handle or the flat of your blade to deal nonlethal bludgeoning damage. If it attack hits, the target is [[Blinded (SRD Term)|blinded]] and disoriented for a number of rounds equal to the number of additional points the assassin spends on this attack from his critical strikes pool. If no additional points are invested into this attack, there is no additional effect. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for a number of rounds equal to the number of extra points you put into this attack. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to negate the blindness and disorientation with a DC of 16 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Strength modifier.

''Twisting Fangs:'' Piercing final blow. If you cannot make a full attack against your target with two different daggers, this attack fails. You make two attacks against your target, each with a +2 bonus on their attack rolls. If the first attack misses, so does the second one. If the first attack hits, your target begins bleeding. If the second attack hits, your target suffers from a deep wound. Both of these have a duration of a number of rounds equal to 2 + (your attack roll - your target's AC)/3. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DCs for this attack equal 10 + the assassin's Dexterity modifier + one-half the assassin's class level. The target takes a -2 penalty on its saving throws if both attacks hit.

''Unsuspecting Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. This attack's damage roll gains a +3 bonus. If your foe's health is above 85% of his maximum, you deal extra damage equal to your class level plus five (maximum +30). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d4+2 rounds.

''Wild Blow:'' Followup attack. This attack must attempt to [[sunder]] one shield the target is wielding, if possible. If the sunder attempt hits, you deal +2d6 damage and the target is disarmed of that shield automatically. If the target is not wielding a shield, this attack is made normally with a +3 bonus on the attack roll and you deal +1d4 damage per two class levels you have (maximum +10d4). This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool and does not provoke an attack of opportunity. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 2d3 rounds.

'''Shadow Walk ([[Su]]):''' At 6th level, the assassin learns more of his affinity with the shadows. For a number of times per day equal to his Wisdom modifier, he may shadow step to a square adjacent to a foe for five rounds, shadow stepping back to where he was at the end of the fifth. After using this skill, the assassin cannot use it again for five rounds.

'''Improved Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' An assassin of 8th level or higher can no longer be flanked.

This defense denies a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking her, unless the attacker has at least four more rogue levels than the target does.

If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

'''Dagger Defense ([[Ex]]):''' At 8th level, the assassin has practiced using his daggers so much that he can quickly block any attack made against him. As long as the assassin has at least one dagger drawn, he gains a +2 shield bonus to AC. He gains an additional +2 bonus if he has two daggers drawn, and an additional +1 bonus for each dagger drawn after that. The assassin gains this benefit even if he is flat-footed, so long as he has at least one dagger drawn and his arms have the mobility to move the daggers to block attacks (thus, if he is paralyzed or immobilized, he loses the bonus). However, the assassin loses the benefits of this ability if he is wearing medium or heavy armor or wielding a shield.

'''Shadowy Dodge ([[Su]]):''' At 11th level, the assassin learns how to pull shadows around himself to hide his position. He gains a number of Shadowy Dodge points equal to three × his Wisdom modifier. By spending any number of Shadowy Dodge points, he gains [[concealment]] for the same number of rounds or total concealment for half that number of rounds. Shadowy Dodge points are regenerated after 24 hours.

'''Improved Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 13th level, the assassin gains improved evasion. This ability works like evasion, except that while the assassin still takes no damage on a successful Reflex saving throw against attacks henceforth he henceforth takes only half damage on a failed save. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of improved evasion.

'''Dagger Mastery:''' At 14th level, the assassin is one with his daggers. Henceforth, he gains a +2 bonus on all attack rolls he makes with daggers, and the critical threat range of all daggers he wields increases by 1. In addition, he may use his sneak attacks and critical attacks to deal nonlethal damage at no penalty (effects other than damage do not apply to these attacks, however).

An assassin with this ability gains the [[SRD:Weapon Specialization (Feat)|Weapon Specialization]] feat with all daggers even if he does not meet the prerequisites.

'''Double Striking:''' At 16th level, the assassin's daggers are mere flashes of steel as they strike his foe. Every time he makes an attack with his daggers (other than a critical attack), he has a 20% chance to make two attacks instead. These attacks deal damage as weapons one size smaller, but can score critical hits normally.

'''Shadow Displacement ([[Su]]):''' At 18th level, the assassin is nearly a complete master of the shadows. As a swift action, he can shadow step to any creature that he can see within 100 feet, appearing in an adjacent square. When he chooses to end this ability (a free action), he shadow steps to the square where he activated this ability. This effect ends automatically after one hour. Should he use this ability again before dismissing it or its duration expires, it activates normally, but the square where the assassin returns to is reset to the new location. This is an elite ability.

== Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List ==

=== 1st level arts ===

'''Blinding Powder:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe and all adjacent foes are blinded for 1d3 rounds.

'''Caltrops:''' Target foe and all adjacent foes move 50% slower for 1d6 rounds. This skill has half the normal range.

'''Critical Eye:''' Buff spell. For 1d6 rounds, you have an additional 10% chance to land a critical threat. Whenever you successfully land a critical hit, you add one additional point to your critical strikes pool. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 2d4 rounds.

'''Dancing Daggers:''' This spell fails if you cannot make a full attack when you activate it. You throw three daggers formed of acid at your target. Make a ranged touch attack for each. These daggers strike for 1d3 acid damage + your intelligence modifier each. This art uses one points from the critical strikes pool and counts as a primary attack. After using this art, you cannot use it again for one round.

'''Dark Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to a square adjacent to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 33% for 1d4 rounds. After using this art, you cannot use it again for 2d8 rounds. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Entangling Asp:''' Must follow a primary attack. Target foe is knocked prone and is poisoned for a number of rounds equal to your intelligence modifier. A successful Fortitude save negates the prone effect and halves the number of rounds the target is poisoned. This spell has half the normal range.

'''Shadow Refuge:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, you gain 1d6 health for each point of intelligence modifier you have (maximum 3d6) at the beginning of your turn. At the end of the third round, if you attack, you gain an additional 2d6 health + your intelligence modifier. After using this spell, you cannot use it again for eight rounds.

'''Shameful Fear:''' Hex spell. For five rounds, target foe moves 10% faster than normal. At the end of each round, if that foe moved, he takes 1d4 damage. Each time the foe takes damage, he is allowed a Will save to remove this hex.

'''Way of Perfection:''' Buff spell. For 2d6 rounds, whenever you land a critical hit, you gain 1d6 health. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds.

'''Way of the Lotus:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, the next time you hit with a final blow, you add 1d4 points to your critical strikes pool.

=== 2nd level arts ===

'''Assassin's Promise:''' Hex spell. For 3d4 rounds, if target foe dies, all of your "recharging" abilities (those that you cannot use for a stated number of rounds) are recharged and you add a number of points to your critical strikes pool equal to your intelligence modifier (maximum 5). This is an elite ability. After using this art, you cannot use it again for two minutes (although you can use this hex to recharge itself).

'''Enduring Toxin:''' Hex spell. At the start of target foe's next turn, he takes 2d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). If that foe moves during that turn, Enduring Toxin is renewed unless the target succeeds at a Will save.

'''Impale:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe takes 3d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). That foe takes an additional 1d3 acid damage for each point of intelligence bonus you have and suffers a deep wound for a number of rounds equal to one-fourth your intelligence modifier. Once you use this ability, you cannot use it again for 1d4 rounds.

'''Iron Palm:''' Target touched foe takes 2d6 damage and is [[dazed]] for two rounds. A successful Fortitude save negates the dazed effect. This counts as a primary attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool, but after using this skill, you cannot use it again for 4d6 rounds.

'''Mantis Touch:''' Must follow a primary attack. Make a melee touch attack against target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 50% for 1d3 rounds unless that foe succeeds at a Fortitude save. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 1d6 rounds. This counts as a followup attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

'''Scorpion Wire:''' Hex spell. For 1d6 rounds, whenever there is more than 100 feet between you and target foe, you shadow step to that foe and that foe becomes prone. This spell has half the normal range. A successful Will save negates this hex.

'''Shadow Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 66% for 2d4 rounds + your intelligence modifier. This is an elite ability. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Shroud of Silence:''' Hex spell. For three rounds, you cannot cast spells or similar abilities (including, but not limited to, deadly arts, meldshaping, psionics, and epic spells, but not including attack-based spell-like abilities such as the ''Shattering Assault'' critical attack). For 1d4 rounds, target foe cannot cast spells. This is an elite ability. After your spells and similar abilities recharge, you cannot use this ability for 2d6 rounds.

'''Siphon Strength:''' Hex spell. For 1d3 rounds, target foe does half damage with his attacks and all your attacks have an additional 20% chance to land a critical hit against that foe. This is an elite ability.

'''Way of the Empty Palm:''' Buff spell. For a number of rounds equal to one-half your intelligence modifier, followup and final blow critical attacks do not drain points from your critical strikes pool. This is an elite ability. After using this ability, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds + your intelligence modifier.

= The Epic Assassin =

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|21st|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]]
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|22nd|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +5]]
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|25th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Epic Bonus Feats|bonus feat]]
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|26th|| style="text-align: left;" | 
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|27th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Epic Critical Strikes|critical strikes +6]]
|-class="even"
|28th|| style="text-align: left;" | 
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|29th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]]
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|30th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Bonus Feats|Bonus feat]]
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| colspan="42" class="skill" |
4 + [[Int]] modifier skill points per level.
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== Class Features ==

'''Critical Attack:''' The assassin continues to gain critical attacks as normal. If he chooses, he may instead research his own critical attack (subject to approval by the dungeon master).

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' The assassin's critical strikes ability continues to improve as normal, although he cannot have a chance of critical striking greater than 45% from this ability.

'''Bonus Feats:''' The epic assassin gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic assassin bonus feats) every five levels after 20th.

''Epic Assassin Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Blinding Speed (Epic Feat)|Blinding Speed]], [[SRD:Dexterous Fortitude (Epic Feat)|Dexterious Fortitude]], [[SRD:Dexterous Will (Epic Feat)|Dexterous Will]], [[SRD:Epic Dodge (Epic Feat)|Epic Dodge]], [[SRD:Epic Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Epic Reflexes]], [[SRD:Epic Speed (Epic Feat)|Epic Speed]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Focus (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Focus]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Specialization (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Specialization]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Improved Combat Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Improved Combat Reflexes]], [[SRD:Improved Sneak Attack (Epic Feat)|Improved Sneak Attack]], [[SRD:Lingering Damage (Epic Feat)|Lingering Damage]], [[SRD:Overwhelming Critical (Epic Feat)|Overwhelming Critical]], [[SRD:Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (Epic Feat)|Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting)]], [[SRD:Self-Concealment (Epic Feat)|Self-Concealment]], [[SRD:Sneak Attack of Opportunity (Epic Feat)|Sneak Attack of Opportunity]], [[SRD:Spellcasting Harrier (Epic Feat)|Spellcasting Harrier]], [[SRD:Superior Initiative (Epic Feat)|Superior Initiative]], [[SRD:Two-Weapon Rend (Epic Feat)|Two-Weapon Rend]].

1The assassin can only choose for this feat to apply to a type of daggers for which he meets the prerequisites.

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

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Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::Pipe character ("|") since it's not allowed as a page name, and it's used as a delimiter in parser functions, template parameters, and the like. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:56, 8 June 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I agree, | should do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:57, 8 June 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::: What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? [[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Sorry about not having worked on this for awhile, I have been rather busy. It will eventually be done, sorry for the delay. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Don't worry about it, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. Besides, it's not as long a wait as some other coding things I've waited for ''';)''' I know how complex things can get when you get deep into coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:18, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Lol... I didn't quite mean it that way (I have been busy lately), but whatever. It is done now. A page may be marked with <code><nowiki>{{deletepage}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki></code>. Let me know if there are any problems. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:26, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Good job, but <nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki> is causing my sandbox to freeze up. It displays the message properly ("The delete page template has properly been added. Please purge this page to see the effects."), but now it seems to be locked in an endless cycle of trying to purge the cache. (From a layman's point of view, it would appear to be constantly refreshing the page "http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Armond/Sandbox&action=purge".) Going to Candidates for Deletion and clicking the link there also puts me into the cycle. I'm not sure if it shows up on CfD because of the reason argument or not (I put on just a plain deletepage tag at first and that worked perfectly, which might have caused it to show up on CfD, though I didn't check). Small coding bug somewhere? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::Hello Armond. The problem was that it added slashes to prevent SQL injection attacks '''before''' it replaced the template, so your <code>don't</code> was messing it up. The problem has been fixed, and let me know if anything else weird like that happens. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:46, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::This is awesome. Can you tell me how you did all of that, please? I'd like to implement something similar on PvXwiki. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 10:44, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::Sure. I built a custom extension which can be found [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/DeleteBlock.php.txt here]. You need to import the templates Template:Delete and Template:Deletepage. It is more of a hack than an extension, so the following needs to be changed/added: <code>if ($articleId == '21619') { return; }</code> needs to be replaced with <code>if ($articleId == 'WHATEVER ARTICLE ID THE Template:Deletepage HAS') { return; }</code>. The following changes need to be made to the javascript of the site (common/wikibits.js):
<pre>// Hack for DeleteBlock:
function purgeThisPage(page)
{
window.location.href = "http://URL OF WEBSITE/w/index.php?title=" + page + "&action=purge";
}</pre>
:::::::::This should get it to work. Let me know how the install goes, and if you need anything else I will be more than happy to help. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:13, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::Ok. I think I can understand most of that. (Thankfully I'm not the one who will be implementing it.) Would there be any changes if it were applied to a different template, other than changing the targets from template:delete and template:deletepage to the proper templates, changing the article id number to the proper one, and making sure all the stuff the editor would see would make sense (i.e. don't say we're going to put a delete tag on the page when we're putting something else on it)? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:37, 11 June 2007 (MDT)

== Serberus, Thanks ==

:''Discussion moved to [[User talk:Serberus#Hello Serebus,]]''

== SRD ==

What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are
*Badaxe games
*Natural 20 press
*Other D20 systems
*or only WOTC?

[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:"''The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast''" (WotC)([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Reference_Document 1]). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

==Category headings==
Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)]] to appear on [[SRD:Magic Items]] and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)|the page]] to look like

<nowiki>[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>

I ''think'' that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help.
--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes ''sense''. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
:...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I changed the [[SRD:Barbarian (Class)|Barbarian]] and it seems to not change anything on [[All Base Classes]] or [[SRD:Character Classes]], and, because nothing has changed, I wonder if this works with Dynamic Page Lists (DPL's) and namespaces. I would be more than happy to let you experiment on a couple SRD pages to see if something you could do would make this work. If you would like to try do some experimenting just let me know an I will unlock a couple pages... Also, do you have any idea why it would not be working? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:11, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Well, like I said, I do know a little wikicode but I'm not familiar with the dynamic page list code, so I don't know whether that sort of category sorting works with it. I'll look on some wikimedia help-page and find out how it works, since it seems pretty useful, and get back to you.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:04, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::I left a message on the talk page for [http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php/Manual_-_DPL_parameters:_Controlling_output_order this], what seems to be the relevant page of the extension's own manual wiki; there's regular movement up to today on its recentchanges, so hopefully someone will notice.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]]-[[User talk:Mobius|Talk]] 21:09, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::It also maybe version sensitive. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:38, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Got it! Just switch your DPL code from ordermethod=title to ordermethod=titlewithoutnamespace and it ''should'' work.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]]-[[User talk:Mobius|Talk]] 08:17, 26 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::Thank you, Mobius. I was planning on hacking that into DPL, and so I am very glad that you looked into it, and found that it already exists! Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 09:27, 26 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::That only works with DPL2 version 1.1.9. This site is running 0.7.7. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 09:57, 26 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::Okay, okay, okay!! Happy now? [[Special:Version]]? (meant in a very humorous manner). — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:35, 26 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::Also, if there is a real demand for titlewithoutnamespaces, then I will integrate version 1.2.0 into DPL2CU. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:38, 26 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::It had problems, and will not be working right now. I will try to get around to fixing this in the near future, let me know if there is a demand. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:14, 30 May 2007 (MDT)

== *** WikiRPS is inaccessible *** ==

[[WikiRPS]] is dead. Long live WikiRPS! –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 06:29, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

:Sorry, this was caused by the DPL upgrade. It looks like it caused a lot more problems than I expected. Sorry. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:51, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

== Is User Extension ==

Hey Blue,

Could you test this extension? It's basically checks if a given string is a registered username on the wiki. I plan on using on the [[Template:Author|author template]] so that unregistered users don't need to use the ''isnotuser'' parameter.
<nowiki><?php
if ( !defined( 'MEDIAWIKI' ) ) {
die( 'This file is a MediaWiki extension, it is not a valid entry point' );
}

$wgExtensionFunctions[] = 'wfSetupIsUser';
$wgExtensionCredits['parserhook'][] = array(
'name' => 'Is User',
'url' => 'http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/User:Sledged',
'author' => 'Sledged',
'description' => 'Simple user existence-checking extension',
);

$wgHooks['LanguageGetMagic'][] = 'wfIsUserLanguageGetMagic';

/**
* if user exists
*/

class ExtIsUser
{
function isuser( &$parser, $name = '', $then = '', $else = '' )
{
global $wgAuth;

if ($wgAuth->userExists($name))
{
return $then;
}

return $else;
}
}

function wfSetupIsUser()
{
global $wgParser, $wgExtIsUser</nowiki><s>, $wgHooks</s><nowiki>;

$wgExtIsUser = new ExtIsUser;
$wgParser->setFunctionHook( 'isuser', array( &$wgExtIsUser, 'isuser' ) );
</nowiki><s>$wgHooks['ParserClearState'][] = array( &$wgExtParserFunctions, 'clearState' );</s><nowiki>
}

</nowiki><s>function wfParserFunctionsLanguageGetMagic( &$magicWords, $langCode )</s><nowiki>
function wfIsUserLanguageGetMagic( &$magicWords, $langCode )
{
switch ( $langCode )
{
default:
$magicWords['isuser'] = array( 0, 'isuser' );
}

return true;
}

?>
</nowiki>
—[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:06, 1 June 2007 (MDT)

:Minor edit. see above. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:57, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

::There seem to be a few problems with the processing that this extension will go through. I set up a magic word {{IS_USER}} which doesn't actually do anything, but would be used to figure it out, and if you look in the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&oldid=109036 sandbox] you will see that it does not work. I would be willing to make a bot to switch over the users that don't exist, and then possibly build an extension similar to <nowiki>{{deletepage}}</nowiki> that would figure out whether it is a user. Let me know what you think. You can also see the code that I am using at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/IsUser/IsUser.txt /w/extensions/IsUser/IsUser.txt]. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 11:29, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

:::Crap on a stick! It looks like the method <code>$wgAuth->userExists()</code> doesn't work the way I thought it would. (I knew it looked a little too straight forward.) I'll do some digging around and see what I can figure out. If I can get that part right the rest of it should (I really dislike using that word) work (along with yet a couple more edits). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:19, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

::::I did build a Perl subroutine that will determine whether a user exists or not, which you can see is implemented in the MoI code. Let me know if you want to get something working outside of MediaWiki, but things will become much clearer. It is also possible for me to port that code to PHP so it can be used as an extension, but it would do the same thing. Let me know what you think. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:58, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

:::::I suppose that would be better than delving into the code that produces the [[Special:Listusers|User list]] page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:12, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

== Username ==

can I change my username from Sam kay to Sam Kay please? {{unsigned|Sam Kay|07:06, 3 June 2007 (MDT)}}

:Sure! Let me know if it worked for you. I am not rebuilding the recent changes table, however, due to patrolling, but all new edits should be from Sam Kay. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:46, 7 June 2007 (MDT)

::yep, it worked. Thanks! {{Unsigned|Sam Kay|11:29, 11 June 2007 (MDT)}}

Assassin (3.5e Class)

2007-06-07T01:06:27Z

Armond: /* 2nd level arts */ seconds --> rounds

<dplc>Base Assassin (DnD Class)|{{Base Class Description|Base Assassin|NR|Combat-focused, Moderate Spellcasting|The Assassin steps through the shadows, finds his target, and strikes him down before returning from whence he came. But you'll have a job convincing anyone that they exist, as no one's ever seen one or the body of their targets. The good ones, at least.}}</dplc>
{{Balance}}
{{author
|author_name=Armond
|date_created=15:33, 19 March 2007 (MDT)
|status=v 1.1; Incomplete
}}

= The Assassin =

The assassin is an unfailing assailant; most of his targets never see him, and fewer still survive his first assault. The assassin stays in the shadows until the time is right. When it is, he takes a single step, transporting his way to his target, and unleashes a lethal flurry of attacks before making his way back to safety. Those few that survive this attack are generally unable to find their assassin, who has blended perfectly with the shadows by that point. Even if they do, they may find that he is quite capable of short bursts of hand-to-hand combat - short enough to finish the weakened foe, but not long enough for the assassin to take damage.

The assassin is a subtle character, not wasting time hefting huge weapons to bring to bear or casting spells to destroy large portions of an area. Instead, he is best against a single target, taking little time to make his attacks.

The most powerful of assassins may choose to fight in public, using the [[SRD:Disguise (Skill)|Disguise]] skill to avoid detection before making their attack and the [[SRD:Tumble (Skill)|Tumble]] skill to avoid attacks.

The assassin's abilities come at a steep cost: while he is an expert in the use of daggers and has excellent mobility, he is unable to use any other weapon or any armor heavier than light (and, indeed, nearly all of the benefits of this class if he violates these restrictions).

Note that this assassin is not a literal translation from the [[Assassin|Assassin prestige class]] into a base class; rather, this is an assassin stylized for combat without the alignment restrictions of the original and with new combat abilities. Additionally, this class should not be used in any campaign where the [[user:Armond/Deadly Assassin (DnD Prestige Class)|Deadly Assassin]] prestige class is used.

'''Adventure:''' Many assassins quest for payment or to exact vengeance for some slight (real or imagined) on their honor. Some of them, however, put their abilities to use in the fight for good; indeed, the demon lord Ahzalakh was struck down by a pair of blades belonging to the assassin who fought in the name of Pelor.

'''Characteristics:''' Many assassins are quiet, as there is no way to be sure of a kill if your target knows where you are. Some are contemplative as a result, curious as to the rights and wrongs of their profession. As they gain in power, some become cocky, while others become more and more quiet. It is a common joke among their companions that an increase in power for the assassin comes with the cost of muteness.

'''Alignment:''' Most deadly assassins are in some way chaotic, with lawful characters being quite rare. Additionally, most are neutral or evil, but nothing restricts an assassin from putting his talents to use for good and law.

'''Religion:''' Many deadly assassins identify with Nerull or Wee Jas, though Olidammara, Erythnul, and Vecna receive a significant amount of worship from members of this class. From the more holy deities, Heironeous is a common choice, though perhaps not among the more chaotic assassins. Those that focus on their form of spellcasting sometimes revere Boccob.

'''Background:''' Assassins are generally trained in secret by one already knowledgeable of the trade. They can live and grow with their masters, or they may move out after learning the basics; very few evil assassins live long with one another, however, due to the lack of trust between each other.

'''Races:''' [[Human]]s make good assassins due to their versatility, eagerness to succeed, and willingness to do whatever they need to to gain power. Some [[elf|elves]] take this class, but few [[dwarf|dwarves]], [[half-orc]]s, or [[half-elf|half-elves]] do. [[Gnome]]s neither prefer nor reject the way of the assassin, but [[halfling]]s generally tend to favor the [[rogue]].

'''Other Classes:''' Assassins get along well with Rogues and Ninjas, sharing similar abilities but different ways of using them. Likewise, they often conflict with [[Paladin]]s, not understanding their restrictions to the "code of honor". However, they appreciate their brute force in battle as a distraction from themselves, along with the same abilities in the [[Fighter]] and Samurai. Arcane and Divine spellcasters are always appreciated for support and healing.

'''Role:''' The assassin works best as a melee support character. He works best when the enemy is distracted, slipping in just long enough to add to the battle before getting out. As he must avoid being targeted with attacks, the assassin is not a strong frontline character. The assassin gains some durability at higher levels, but never as much as the Fighter or Paladin. Thus, the assassin is still best when he is not expected.

== Game Rule Information ==

Assassins have the following game statistics:

'''Abilities:''' [[Dexterity]] helps the deadly assassin immensely, as it increases his low [[AC]], his [[attack roll|attack]] and [[damage roll]]s with daggers, and his ability to stay hidden from his enemies. [[Wisdom]] increases the power of his Shadow Arts, and [[Intelligence]] assists his spellcasting and Deadly Arts.

'''Alignment:''' Any.

'''Starting Age:''' Complex.

'''Starting Gold:''' 4d4 × 10 gp (100 gp).

{| class="d20" id="Table: The Assassin"
|+ style="text-align: center;" |
<div style="float: left;"> Table: The Assassin </div>
Hit Die: d6
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[Base Attack Bonus (terminology)|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[Saving Throws]]
! rowspan="2" style="text-align: center;" | Special
! colspan="2" | Deadly Arts Known
|-
! [[Saving Throws#Fortitude|Fort]]
! [[Saving Throws#Reflex|Ref]]
! [[Saving Throws#Will|Will]]
! 1st || 2nd
|-
| 1st || +0 || +0 || +2 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +1d6]], [[#Two-Dagger Fighting|two-dagger fighting]], [[#Shadow Vision|shadow vision]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 2nd || +1 || +0 || +3 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Dagger Finesse|Dagger finesse]], [[#Critical Strikes|critical strikes +1]] || — || —
|-
| 3rd || +2 || +1 || +3 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Evasion|Evasion]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +2d6]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 4th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Run|Shadow run]] || 0 || —
|-
| 5th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Uncanny Dodge|Uncanny dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 0 || —
|- class="even"
| 6th || +4 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Walk|Shadow walk]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +3d6]] || 1 || —
|-
| 7th || +5 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +2]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 8th || +6/+1 || +2 || +6 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Uncanny Dodge|Improved uncanny dodge]], [[#Dagger Defense|dagger defense]] || 1 || —
|-
| 9th || +6/+1 || +3 || +6 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +4d6]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 10th || +7/+2 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 1 || —
|-
| 11th || +8/+3 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadowy Dodge|Shadowy dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack ]]|| 1 || 0
|- class="even"
| 12th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +3]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +5d6]] || 1 || 1
|-
| 13th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Evasion|Improved evasion]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || 1
|- class="even"
| 14th || +10/+5 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Dagger Mastery|Dagger mastery]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 15th || +11/+6/+1 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +6d6]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 1
|- class="even"
| 16th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 17th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +4]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 2
|- class="even"
| 18th || +13 /+8/+3|| +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Displacement|Shadow displacement]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +7d6]] || 3 || 2
|-
| 19th || +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]] || 3 || 3
|- class="even"
| 20th || +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +12 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 3 || 3
|-
| colspan="42" style="text-align: left; border: none;" |
'''Class Skills (4 + Int modifier per level; ×4 at 1st level)''' [[Balance (SRD Skill)|Balance]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Bluff (Skill)|Bluff]] ([[Cha]]), [[Climb (SRD Skill)|Climb]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration (Skill)|Concentration]] ([[Con]]), [[Craft (SRD Skill)|Craft]] ([[Int]]), [[SRD:Disable Device (Skill)|Disable Device]] ([[Int]]), [[Disguise (SRD Skill)|Disguise]] ([[Cha]]), [[Hide (SRD Skill)|Hide]] ([[Dex]]), [[Jump (SRD Skill)|Jump]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Knowledge (Skill)|Knowledge (Arcana)]] ([[Int]]), [[Listen (SRD Skill)|Listen]] ([[Wis]]), [[Move Silently (SRD Skill)|Move Silently]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Open Lock (Skill)|Open Lock]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Search (Skill)|Search]] ([[Int]]), [[Sleight of Hand (SRD Skill)|Sleight of Hand]] ([[Dex]]), [[Spot (SRD Skill)|Spot]] ([[Wis]]), [[Tumble (SRD Skill)|Tumble]] ([[Dex]]).
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== Class Features ==

All of the following are class features of the assassin.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' The assassin is proficient with light armor and all daggers.

The following terms are used in the description of the assassin:

''Bleeding:'' Some assassin attacks cause bleeding. A bleeding character loses 1d4 health at the beginning of his turn. A [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell or similar effect will remove this affliction. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the bleeding when he begins bleeding and each round thereafter.

''Buff:'' A buff spell is a type of [[#Deadly Arts|deadly art]] that causes a positive effect on its target. Buffs can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Haste]]'') may be considered buffs as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Daggers:'' For the purposes of this class, all of the following weapons are considered to be "daggers": [[Dagger (SRD Weapon)|Dagger]], [[Dirk (DnD Equipment)|Dirk]], [[Kama (SRD Weapon)|Kama]], [[Kukri (SRD Weapon)|Kukri]], [[Dagger, Punching (SRD Weapon)|Punching Dagger]], [[Sai (SRD Weapon)|Sai]], and [[Siangham (SRD Weapon)|Siangham]]. The dungeon master may determine that weapons similar to these will also qualify as daggers for this class.

''Deep wound:'' A character with a deep wound has his current and maximum health reduced by 20%, and suffers a -2 penalty to [[constitution]]. In addition, all healing on the character heals for 20% less hit points (other effects are unaffected; thus, a [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell still removes all afflictions, including this one, but heals for 20% less health than is stated). Each round, including the one in which the deep wound was applied, the victim is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the wound.

''Elite ability:'' Some assassin abilities are more powerful than others. As such, they are marked as "elite abilities". The assassin can use a number of elite abilities per day equal to one-half his class level plus his wisdom modifier. Some deadly arts are elite abilities.

''Hex:'' A hex spell is a type of deadly art that causes a negative effect or condition on its target. Hexes can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Slow]]'') may be considered hexes as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Poison:'' Poison from this class works differently from normal poison. A poisoned character takes 1d6 damage at the beginning of each of his turns. This poison never deals ability damage. The assassin's poison is affected by spells, immunities, and so forth as though it were normal poison. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the poison when the poison is inflicted upon it and every time it takes damage from the poison.

''Shadow step:'' A shadow step is similar to a teleport; however, it only affects the assassin and any gear on his person. Whenever the assassin shadow steps, he disappears from his current location and reappears in the new location. Bursts of shadow appear in both squares affected, evidence that he has just stepped into one shadow and out of another. Unless otherwise specified, shadow steps have unlimited range but cannot cross planes. If the assassin shadow steps to an occupied square, he is shoved towards the nearest space large enough to hold his body mass (which may or may not be within the same square, depending on what now occupies it) and takes 1d6 damage for each 5 feet traveled.

'''Sneak Attack ([[Ex]]):''' If an assassin can catch an opponent when she is unable to defend herself effectively from his attack, he can strike a vital spot for extra damage. This extra damage does not apply if the assassin wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

The assassin’s attack deals extra damage any time his target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the assassin [[Flanking (SRD Rules)|flanks]] his target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and it increases by 1d6 every assassin level divisible by three thereafter. Should the assassin score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied.

The assassin cannot take a -4 penalty to deal nonlethal damage with a sneak attack.

An assassin can sneak attack only living creatures with discernible anatomies - [[:Category:Undead Type|undead]], [[:Category:Construct Type|constructs]], [[:Category:Ooze Type|oozes]], [[:Category:Plant Type|plants]], and [[:Category:Incorporeal Subtype|incorporeal]] creatures lack vital areas to attack. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is not vulnerable to sneak attacks. The assassin must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. An assassin cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with [[Concealment (SRD Rules)|concealment]] or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.

'''Two-Dagger Fighting:''' The assassin gains the [[Two-Weapon Fighting]] feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Shadow Vision ([[Ex]]):''' All assassins train in darkness due to their affinity with the shadows. As a result, an assassin gains [[low-light vision]]. If he already has low-light vision, he may choose to gain [[darkvision]] with a range of 60 feet or to double the effectiveness of his low-light vision. If he already has darkvision and low-light vision, he may instead choose to extend the range of his darkvision by 60 feet (instead of doubling the effectiveness of his low-light vision). Unlike normal darkvision, the assassin's shadow vision allows him to retain a semblance of color in his darkvision.

The assassin also gains a +1 bonus to any [[spot]] checks he makes, as his eyes have become slightly more fine-tuned due the stress of learning to see in what is normally too dark for him to see.

'''Dagger Finesse:''' At 2nd level, the assassin gains the [[Weapon Finesse]] feat for any dagger he chooses, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' At 2nd level and above, the assassin has a critical strikes score equal to one plus one-fifth his class level. Whenever the assassin successfully makes a critical hit with one or more daggers on a target with a [[Challenge Rating]] no less than his own, he adds this number to his critical strikes pool. In addition, the threat range of any dagger the assassin wields is increased by one-half this level. These critical strikes points fade at the end of the encounter, and his critical strikes pool cannot exceed his class level. The deadly assassin must have at least one point in his critical strikes pool in order to use a critical attack (see below). The assassin loses these benefits if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 3rd level and higher, an assassin can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If he makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, he instead takes no damage. The assassin loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of evasion.

'''Shadow Run ([[Su]]):''' At 4th level, the assassin learns the first of his Shadow Arts: the ability to be captured by the shadows at a later point. When the assassin activates this ability, his maximum speed increases by 20% (rounded to the nearest 5-ft. increment) for a number of rounds equal to his class level + his wisdom modifier. After those rounds pass, the assassin shadow steps to the square in which he activated this ability.

'''Deadly Arts ([[Sp]]):''' An assassin does not prepare or cast spells in quite the same way that other arcane spellcasters do. Instead, his training focuses on what are known as "deadly arts" - unique spells with different mechanics. (Because they cover a wide variety of abilities, deadly arts are sometimes "cast", "used", or "activated", and may be referred to as "skills", "spells", or "abilities", though in truth they are always a combination of all of these.) These compliment the assassin's other talents, making him far more effective in battle. Daggers thrown in the process of using a deadly art are created as part of the casting. An assassin can use any deadly art he knows at will, with the following qualifications:

An assassin's deadly arts are spell-like abilities; using a deadly art is therefore an attack action that provokes [[attacks of opportunity]]. A deadly art can be disrupted, just as a spell can be ruined during casting. An assassin is entitled to a [[Concentration]] check to successfully use an deadly art if he is hit by an attack while casting, just as a spellcaster would be. An assassin can choose to use an art defensively, by making a successful Concentration check, to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity. An assassin's deadly arts are subject to spell resistance unless an art specifically states otherwise. An assassin's caster level with his deadly arts is equal to one-half his class level.

The save DC for a deadly art (if it allows a save) is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Intelligence modifier. The assassin cannot cast a deadly art if he does not have an Intelligence score of at least 10 + spell level.

Deadly arts cannot benefit from Metamagic feats, since they aren't strictly spells. However, they can benefit from feats that deal with Spell-Like Abilities.

Deadly arts are subject to arcane spell failure caused by armors, unlike other spell-like abilities. This applies to all kinds except for light armors, since the somatic components required for invocations are relatively simple. All deadly arts have a somatic component.

Deadly arts normally have a range of 100 feet. Some deadly arts have half the normal range; thus, their range is 50 feet. A few deadly arts have a range of touch.

There are two levels of deadly arts. At 11th level, the assassin may choose to trade out any first-level spell he knows for another first-level spell.

The assassin only ever learns a limited number of deadly arts spells. He learns deadly arts according to the progression on Table: The Assassin above, plus bonus deadly arts according to his Intelligence modifier. These bonus deadly arts known are earned the same way bonus spells per day are earned, with one exception: The assassin may never have more than one bonus deadly art for each level.

The assassin chooses his deadly arts known from the [[#Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List|Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List]], below.

'''Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' Starting at 5th level, an assassin can react to danger before her senses would normally allow her to do so. She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, she still loses her Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.

'''Critical Attack:''' At 5th level and every odd-numbered level thereafter, an assassin learns one critical attack. Each critical attack costs him at least one point from his critical strikes pool. Some critical attacks are elite abilities (see above); if so, this is mentioned in their entry as seen below. The assassin cannot learn elite critical attacks unless he already knows three or more other critical attacks.

Critical attack entries follow the following format: ''Name of attack:'' Elite (if elite) damage type (if applicable) type of critical attack. Description of the attack.

Critical attacks fall into one of three categories: primary attacks, followup attacks, and final blows. A critical attack cannot be used if the deadly assassin does not have a number of points in his critical strikes pool at least equal to the number of points the critical attack would use. [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] never applies to critical attacks.

An assassin must attempt to deal the correct type of damage with his critical attack (slashing or piercing); thus, daggers that can deal either type of damage (or one dagger in each hand with one dealing slashing and the other dealing piercing damage) are extremely beneficial, as they may prevent the assassin from taking a -4 penalty on his attack roll. If no damage type is indicated, the deadly assassin can choose to deal either type of damage (but cannot choose to do bludgeoning damage unless the attack description specifically states otherwise). The assassin cannot deal subdual damage with a critical attack unless the attack's description specifically states otherwise.

Any critical attacks that "fail" fail as though the assassin's [[SRD:Space/Reach (Creature Statistic)|reach]] was not enough to complete the attack. A failed or incomplete critical attack still consumes points from the critical strikes pool, as does one that misses. A critical attack fails if its prerequisites are not met or if it does not strike a foe that is affected by the required attack type or hex. (Therefore, attempting to use a chain of critical attacks out of order will result in numerous attacks that do not hit and drain the deadly assassin's critical strikes pool.)

The following are prerequisites of any critical attack: The assassin cannot make more than two critical attacks in one round, and never consecutively. The deadly assassin can only make critical attacks with one or more daggers of any type, and only when wearing light or no armor and not wearing a shield. Critical attacks must always hit a foe that was hit in the previous ten rounds by the prerequisite attack type defined by the critical attack. If a critical attack requires the assassin to be buffed or to hit a hexed foe, this time limit does not apply so long as the assassin and/or his target are affected as required.

From 15th level onwards, the assassin can instead choose any [[SRD:Rogue (Class)#Special Abilities|rogue special abilities]] that he does not already have. He may not choose a feat in place of this special ability.

Critical attacks are chosen from the following list. The dungeon master may approve the use of additional critical attacks in the campaign, or disallow the use of certain critical attacks, as he sees fit.

''Black Lotus Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, you gain half as many points toward your critical strikes pool that you would if you had made a critical hit. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Black Spider Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, the target is poisoned for seven rounds. The assassin gains a +3 bonus on this attack roll. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Critical Strike:'' Final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack results in a critical hit. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Disrupting Stab:'' Piercing primary attack. If this attack hits, any spell being cast by target foe is automatically lost as though the caster had failed a [[Concentration (SRD Skill)|concentration]] check. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Falling Spider:'' Piercing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. This attack fails if it does not strike a prone foe. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to his class level (maximum +12). If this attack hits, the foe is poisoned for 5 rounds. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Fox Fangs:'' Followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. The deadly assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +12) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +6). This attack ignores the target's shield bonus to AC and uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Fox Strike:'' Piercing primary attack. You gain a bonus to this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds his class level (maximum +16). If you are buffed, you gain a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to 1 + one-half your assassin class level (maximum +12) and this attack ignores any shield bonus your target has to his AC. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Phoenix Strike:'' Slashing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. If you are not buffed, this attack misses. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +15) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +8). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Horns of the Ox:'' Piercing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds his class level (maximum +15). If this attack hits, the target is knocked [[Prone (SRD Term)|prone]]. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Jagged Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. If this attack hits, the target begins bleeding for four rounds. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Nine Tail Strike:'' Slashing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack fails if you cannot make a full attack when you make this attack. You attack four times, each with a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Palm Strike ([[Su]]):'' Elite followup attack. This attack fails if you do not have at least one hand empty (except for a gauntlet, glove, or similar object). You can use the [[Quick Draw]] feat to sheathe a dagger before making this attack and draw it out again afterwards. Make a touch attack against target foe. If that foe is hit, you deal 1d8 damage for every two class levels you have in assassin to that foe, plus your Wisdom bonus (if any). You deal one less damage for every two dice of damage you deal. This damage is not susceptible to reduction of any form. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Punishing Blow:'' Elite primary attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack and damage rolls equal to one-half his class level (maximum bonus +12) and inflicts a deep wound for a number of rounds equal to 3 + one-fifth the assassin's class level. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC for this attack is equal to 10 + one-half the assassin's class level.

''Shattering Assault ([[Sp]]):'' Elite final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack is made with a +1 bonus and ignores any shield bonus to the target's AC. If it hits, the target is affected as though by a targeted [[Dispel Magic (DnD Spell|Dispel Magic]] effect; however, the assassin can remove no more than one magical effect on his foe with this attack. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d6+2 rounds.

''Temple Strike ([[Ex]]):'' Elite bludgeoning finishing blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack deals damage as though you were one size smaller, and you take a -4 penalty on this attack roll because you are using the pommel of your dagger handle or the flat of your blade to deal nonlethal bludgeoning damage. If it attack hits, the target is [[Blinded (SRD Term)|blinded]] for a number of rounds equal to the number of additional points the deadly assassin spends on this attack from his critical strikes pool. While a foe is blinded this way, any spells he casts take twice as long to cast (a swift or free action becomes a standard action, and a standard or move action becomes a full-round action; swift actions used this way still count towards the limit of one swift action per round) and automatically fails concentration checks to cast these spells (including any spell being cast when hit by this attack, if applicable). If no additional points are invested into this attack, there is no additional effect. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for a number of rounds equal to the number of extra points you put into this attack. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to negate the blindness with a DC of 16 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Twisting Fangs:'' Piercing final blow. If you cannot make a full attack against your target with two different daggers, this attack fails. You make two attacks against your target, each with a +2 bonus on their attack rolls. If the first attack misses, so does the second one. If the first attack hits, your target begins bleeding. If the second attack hits, your target suffers from a deep wound. Both of these have a duration of a number of rounds equal to 2 + (your attack roll - your target's AC)/5. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DCs for this attack equal 10 + the assassin's Wisdom modifier + one-half the assassin's class level.

''Unsuspecting Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. This attack's damage roll gains a +3 bonus. If your foe's health is above 85% of his maximum, you deal extra damage equal to your class level (maximum +20). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d4+2 rounds.

''Wild Blow:'' Followup attack. This attack must be made against one shield the target is wielding, if possible. If it hits the target's shield, the target is disarmed of that shield automatically. If the target is not wielding a shield, this attack is made normally with a +3 bonus on the attack and damage rolls. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 2d3 rounds.

'''Shadow Walk ([[Su]]):''' At 6th level, the assassin learns more of his affinity with the shadows. For a number of times per day equal to his Wisdom modifier, he may shadow step to a square adjacent to a foe for five rounds, shadow stepping back to where he was at the end of the fifth. After using this skill, the assassin cannot use it again for five rounds.

'''Improved Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' An assassin of 8th level or higher can no longer be flanked.

This defense denies a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking her, unless the attacker has at least four more rogue levels than the target does.

If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

'''Dagger Defense ([[Ex]]):''' At 8th level, the assassin has practiced using his daggers so much that he can quickly block any attack made against him. As long as the assassin has at least one dagger drawn, he gains a +2 shield bonus to AC. He gains an additional +2 bonus if he has two daggers drawn, and an additional +1 bonus for each dagger drawn after that. The deadly assassin gains this benefit even if he is flat-footed, so long as he has at least one dagger drawn and his arms have the mobility to move the daggers to block attacks (thus, if he is paralyzed or immobilized). However, the deadly assassin loses the benefits of this ability if he is wearing medium or heavy armor or wielding a shield.

'''Shadowy Dodge ([[Su]]):''' At 11th level, the assassin learns how to pull shadows around himself to hide his position. He gains a number of Shadowy Dodge points equal to three × his Wisdom modifier. By spending any number of Shadowy Dodge points, he gains [[concealment]] for the same number of rounds or total concealment for half that number of rounds. Shadowy Dodge points are regenerated after 24 hours.

'''Improved Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 13th level, the assassin gains improved evasion. This ability works like evasion, except that while the assassin still takes no damage on a successful Reflex saving throw against attacks henceforth she henceforth takes only half damage on a failed save. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of improved evasion.

'''Dagger Mastery:''' At 14th level, the assassin is one with his daggers. Henceforth, he gains a +2 bonus on all attack rolls and a +4 bonus to all damage rolls he makes with daggers, and the critical threat range of all daggers he wields increases by 1. In addition, he may use his sneak attacks and critical attacks to deal nonlethal damage at no penalty (effects other than damage do not apply to these attacks, however).

An assassin with this ability is treated as having the [[SRD:Weapon Specialization (Feat)|Weapon Specialization]] feat with all daggers.

'''Double Striking:''' At 16th level, the assassin's daggers are mere flashes of light as they strike his foe. Every time he makes an attack with his daggers (other than a critical attack), he has a 20% chance to make two attacks instead. These attacks deal damage as weapons one size smaller, but can score critical hits normally.

'''Shadow Displacement ([[Su]]):''' At 18th level, the assassin is nearly a complete master of the shadows. As a swift action, he can shadow step to any creature that he can see within 100 feet, appearing in an adjacent square. When he chooses to end this ability (a free action), he shadow steps to the square where he activated this ability. This effect ends automatically after one hour. Should he use this ability again before dismissing it or its duration expires, it activates normally, but the square where the assassin returns to is reset to the new location. This is an elite ability.

== Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List ==

=== 1st level arts ===

'''Blinding Powder:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe and all adjacent foes are blinded for 1d3 rounds.

'''Caltrops:''' Target foe and all adjacent foes move 50% slower for 1d6 rounds. This skill has half the normal range.

'''Critical Eye:''' Buff spell. For 1d6 rounds, you have an additional 10% chance to land a critical threat. Whenever you successfully land a critical hit, you add one additional point to your critical strikes pool. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 2d4 rounds.

'''Dancing Daggers:''' This spell fails if you cannot make a full attack when you activate it. You throw three daggers formed of acid at your target. Make a ranged touch attack for each. These daggers strike for 1d3 acid damage + your intelligence modifier each. This art uses one points from the critical strikes pool and counts as a primary attack. After using this art, you cannot use it again for one round.

'''Dark Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to a square adjacent to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 33% for 1d4 rounds. After using this art, you cannot use it again for 2d8 rounds. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Entangling Asp:''' Must follow a primary attack. Target foe is knocked prone and is poisoned for a number of rounds equal to your intelligence modifier. A successful Fortitude save negates the prone effect and halves the number of rounds the target is poisoned. This spell has half the normal range.

'''Shadow Refuge:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, you gain 1d6 health for each point of intelligence modifier you have (maximum 3d6) at the beginning of your turn. At the end of the third round, if you attack, you gain an additional 2d6 health + your intelligence modifier. After using this spell, you cannot use it again for eight rounds.

'''Shameful Fear:''' Hex spell. For five rounds, target foe moves 10% faster than normal. At the end of each round, if that foe moved, he takes 1d4 damage. Each time the foe takes damage, he is allowed a Will save to remove this hex.

'''Way of Perfection:''' Buff spell. For 2d6 rounds, whenever you land a critical hit, you gain 1d6 health. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds.

'''Way of the Lotus:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, the next time you hit with a final blow, you add 1d4 points to your critical strikes pool.

=== 2nd level arts ===

'''Assassin's Promise:''' Hex spell. For 3d4 rounds, if target foe dies, all of your "recharging" abilities (those that you cannot use for a stated number of rounds) are recharged and you add a number of points to your critical strikes pool equal to your intelligence modifier (maximum 5). This is an elite ability. After using this art, you cannot use it again for two minutes (although you can use this hex to recharge itself).

'''Enduring Toxin:''' Hex spell. At the start of target foe's next turn, he takes 2d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). If that foe moves during that turn, Enduring Toxin is renewed unless the target succeeds at a Will save.

'''Impale:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe takes 3d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). That foe takes an additional 1d3 acid damage for each point of intelligence bonus you have and suffers a deep wound for a number of rounds equal to one-fourth your intelligence modifier. Once you use this ability, you cannot use it again for 1d4 rounds.

'''Iron Palm:''' Target touched foe takes 2d6 damage and is [[dazed]] for two rounds. A successful Fortitude save negates the dazed effect. This counts as a primary attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool, but after using this skill, you cannot use it again for 4d6 rounds.

'''Mantis Touch:''' Must follow a primary attack. Make a melee touch attack against target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 50% for 1d3 rounds unless that foe succeeds at a Fortitude save. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 1d6 rounds. This counts as a followup attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

'''Scorpion Wire:''' Hex spell. For 1d6 rounds, whenever there is more than 100 feet between you and target foe, you shadow step to that foe and that foe becomes prone. This spell has half the normal range. A successful Will save negates this hex.

'''Shadow Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 66% for 2d4 rounds + your intelligence modifier. This is an elite ability. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Shroud of Silence:''' Hex spell. For three rounds, you cannot cast spells or similar abilities (including, but not limited to, deadly arts, meldshaping, psionics, and epic spells, but not including attack-based spell-like abilities such as the ''Shattering Assault'' critical attack). For 1d4 rounds, target foe cannot cast spells. This is an elite ability. After your spells and similar abilities recharge, you cannot use this ability for 2d6 rounds.

'''Siphon Strength:''' Hex spell. For 1d3 rounds, target foe does half damage with his attacks and all your attacks have an additional 20% chance to land a critical hit against that foe. This is an elite ability.

'''Way of the Empty Palm:''' Buff spell. For a number of rounds equal to one-half your intelligence modifier, followup and final blow critical attacks do not drain points from your critical strikes pool. This is an elite ability. After using this ability, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds + your intelligence modifier.

= The Epic Assassin =

{| class="d20" id="Table: The Epic Assassin"
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Table: The Epic Assassin 
Hit Die: d6
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!Level!! style="text-align: left;" | Special
|-
|21st|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]]
|-class="even"
|22nd|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +5]]
|-
|23rd|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]]
|-class="even"
|24th|| style="text-align: left;" | 
|-
|25th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Epic Bonus Feats|bonus feat]]
|-class="even"
|26th|| style="text-align: left;" | 
|-
|27th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Epic Critical Strikes|critical strikes +6]]
|-class="even"
|28th|| style="text-align: left;" | 
|-
|29th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Critical Attack|Critical attack]]
|-class="even"
|30th|| style="text-align: left;" | [[#Epic Bonus Feats|Bonus feat]]
|-
| colspan="42" class="skill" |
4 + [[Int]] modifier skill points per level.
|}

== Class Features ==

'''Critical Attack:''' The assassin continues to gain critical attacks as normal. If he chooses, he may instead research his own critical attack (subject to approval by the dungeon master).

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' The assassin's critical strikes ability continues to improve as normal, although he cannot have a chance of critical striking greater than 45% from this ability.

'''Bonus Feats:''' The epic assassin gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic assassin bonus feats) every five levels after 20th.

''Epic Assassin Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Blinding Speed (Epic Feat)|Blinding Speed]], [[SRD:Dexterous Fortitude (Epic Feat)|Dexterious Fortitude]], [[SRD:Dexterous Will (Epic Feat)|Dexterous Will]], [[SRD:Epic Dodge (Epic Feat)|Epic Dodge]], [[SRD:Epic Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Epic Reflexes]], [[SRD:Epic Speed (Epic Feat)|Epic Speed]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Focus (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Focus]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Specialization (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Specialization]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Improved Combat Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Improved Combat Reflexes]], [[SRD:Improved Sneak Attack (Epic Feat)|Improved Sneak Attack]], [[SRD:Lingering Damage (Epic Feat)|Lingering Damage]], [[SRD:Overwhelming Critical (Epic Feat)|Overwhelming Critical]], [[SRD:Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (Epic Feat)|Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting)]], [[SRD:Self-Concealment (Epic Feat)|Self-Concealment]], [[SRD:Sneak Attack of Opportunity (Epic Feat)|Sneak Attack of Opportunity]], [[SRD:Spellcasting Harrier (Epic Feat)|Spellcasting Harrier]], [[SRD:Superior Initiative (Epic Feat)|Superior Initiative]], [[SRD:Two-Weapon Rend (Epic Feat)|Two-Weapon Rend]].

1The assassin can only choose for this feat to apply to a type of daggers for which he meets the prerequisites.

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Assassin (3.5e Class)

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= The Assassin =

The assassin is an unfailing assailant; most of his targets never see him, and fewer still survive his first assault. The assassin stays in the shadows until the time is right. When it is, he takes a single step, transporting his way to his target, and unleashes a lethal flurry of attacks before making his way back to safety. Those few that survive this attack are generally unable to find their assassin, who has blended perfectly with the shadows by that point. Even if they do, they may find that he is quite capable of short bursts of hand-to-hand combat - short enough to finish the weakened foe, but not long enough for the assassin to take damage.

The assassin is a subtle character, not wasting time hefting huge weapons to bring to bear or casting spells to destroy large portions of an area. Instead, he is best against a single target, taking little time to make his attacks.

The most powerful of assassins may choose to fight in public, using the [[SRD:Disguise (Skill)|Disguise]] skill to avoid detection before making their attack and the [[SRD:Tumble (Skill)|Tumble]] skill to avoid attacks.

The assassin's abilities come at a steep cost: while he is an expert in the use of daggers and has excellent mobility, he is unable to use any other weapon or any armor heavier than light (and, indeed, nearly all of the benefits of this class if he violates these restrictions).

Note that this assassin is not a literal translation from the [[Assassin|Assassin prestige class]] into a base class; rather, this is an assassin stylized for combat without the alignment restrictions of the original and with new combat abilities. Additionally, this class should not be used in any campaign where the [[user:Armond/Deadly Assassin (DnD Prestige Class)|Deadly Assassin]] prestige class is used.

'''Adventure:''' Many assassins quest for payment or to exact vengeance for some slight (real or imagined) on their honor. Some of them, however, put their abilities to use in the fight for good; indeed, the demon lord Ahzalakh was struck down by a pair of blades belonging to the assassin who fought in the name of Pelor.

'''Characteristics:''' Many assassins are quiet, as there is no way to be sure of a kill if your target knows where you are. Some are contemplative as a result, curious as to the rights and wrongs of their profession. As they gain in power, some become cocky, while others become more and more quiet. It is a common joke among their companions that an increase in power for the assassin comes with the cost of muteness.

'''Alignment:''' Most deadly assassins are in some way chaotic, with lawful characters being quite rare. Additionally, most are neutral or evil, but nothing restricts an assassin from putting his talents to use for good and law.

'''Religion:''' Many deadly assassins identify with Nerull or Wee Jas, though Olidammara, Erythnul, and Vecna receive a significant amount of worship from members of this class. From the more holy deities, Heironeous is a common choice, though perhaps not among the more chaotic assassins. Those that focus on their form of spellcasting sometimes revere Boccob.

'''Background:''' Assassins are generally trained in secret by one already knowledgeable of the trade. They can live and grow with their masters, or they may move out after learning the basics; very few evil assassins live long with one another, however, due to the lack of trust between each other.

'''Races:''' [[Human]]s make good assassins due to their versatility, eagerness to succeed, and willingness to do whatever they need to to gain power. Some [[elf|elves]] take this class, but few [[dwarf|dwarves]], [[half-orc]]s, or [[half-elf|half-elves]] do. [[Gnome]]s neither prefer nor reject the way of the assassin, but [[halfling]]s generally tend to favor the [[rogue]].

'''Other Classes:''' Assassins get along well with Rogues and Ninjas, sharing similar abilities but different ways of using them. Likewise, they often conflict with [[Paladin]]s, not understanding their restrictions to the "code of honor". However, they appreciate their brute force in battle as a distraction from themselves, along with the same abilities in the [[Fighter]] and Samurai. Arcane and Divine spellcasters are always appreciated for support and healing.

'''Role:''' The assassin works best as a melee support character. He works best when the enemy is distracted, slipping in just long enough to add to the battle before getting out. As he must avoid being targeted with attacks, the assassin is not a strong frontline character. The assassin gains some durability at higher levels, but never as much as the Fighter or Paladin. Thus, the assassin is still best when he is not expected.

== Game Rule Information ==

Assassins have the following game statistics:

'''Abilities:''' [[Dexterity]] helps the deadly assassin immensely, as it increases his low [[AC]], his [[attack roll|attack]] and [[damage roll]]s with daggers, and his ability to stay hidden from his enemies. [[Wisdom]] increases the power of his Shadow Arts, and [[Intelligence]] assists his spellcasting and Deadly Arts.

'''Alignment:''' Any.

'''Starting Age:''' Complex.

'''Starting Gold:''' 4d4 × 10 gp (100 gp).

{| class="d20" id="Table: The Assassin"
|+ style="text-align: center;" |
<div style="float: left;"> Table: The Assassin </div>
Hit Die: d6
|-
! rowspan="2" | Level
! rowspan="2" | [[Base Attack Bonus (terminology)|Base Attack Bonus]]
! colspan="3" | [[Saving Throws]]
! rowspan="2" style="text-align: center;" | Special
! colspan="2" | Deadly Arts Known
|-
! [[Saving Throws#Fortitude|Fort]]
! [[Saving Throws#Reflex|Ref]]
! [[Saving Throws#Will|Will]]
! 1st || 2nd
|-
| 1st || +0 || +0 || +2 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +1d6]], [[#Two-Dagger Fighting|two-dagger fighting]], [[#Shadow Vision|shadow vision]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 2nd || +1 || +0 || +3 || +0 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Dagger Finesse|Dagger finesse]], [[#Critical Strikes|critical strikes +1]] || — || —
|-
| 3rd || +2 || +1 || +3 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Evasion|Evasion]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +2d6]] || — || —
|- class="even"
| 4th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Run|Shadow run]] || 0 || —
|-
| 5th || +3 || +1 || +4 || +1 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Uncanny Dodge|Uncanny dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 0 || —
|- class="even"
| 6th || +4 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Walk|Shadow walk]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +3d6]] || 1 || —
|-
| 7th || +5 || +2 || +5 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +2]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 8th || +6/+1 || +2 || +6 || +2 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Uncanny Dodge|Improved uncanny dodge]], [[#Dagger Defense|dagger defense]] || 1 || —
|-
| 9th || +6/+1 || +3 || +6 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +4d6]] || 1 || —
|- class="even"
| 10th || +7/+2 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 1 || —
|-
| 11th || +8/+3 || +3 || +7 || +3 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadowy Dodge|Shadowy dodge]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack ]]|| 1 || 0
|- class="even"
| 12th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +3]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +5d6]] || 1 || 1
|-
| 13th || +9/+4 || +4 || +8 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Improved Evasion|Improved evasion]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 1 || 1
|- class="even"
| 14th || +10/+5 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Dagger Mastery|Dagger mastery]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 15th || +11/+6/+1 || +4 || +9 || +4 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Sneak Attack|Sneak attack +6d6]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 1
|- class="even"
| 16th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] || 2 || 1
|-
| 17th || +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +10 || +5 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Strikes|Critical strikes +4]], [[#Critical Attack|critical attack]] || 2 || 2
|- class="even"
| 18th || +13 /+8/+3|| +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Shadow Displacement|Shadow displacement]], [[#Sneak Attack|sneak attack +7d6]] || 3 || 2
|-
| 19th || +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +11 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" | [[#Critical Attack|Critical attack]] || 3 || 3
|- class="even"
| 20th || +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +12 || +6 || style="text-align: left;" |  || 3 || 3
|-
| colspan="42" style="text-align: left; border: none;" |
'''Class Skills (4 + Int modifier per level; ×4 at 1st level)''' [[Balance (SRD Skill)|Balance]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Bluff (Skill)|Bluff]] ([[Cha]]), [[Climb (SRD Skill)|Climb]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration (Skill)|Concentration]] ([[Con]]), [[Craft (SRD Skill)|Craft]] ([[Int]]), [[SRD:Disable Device (Skill)|Disable Device]] ([[Int]]), [[Disguise (SRD Skill)|Disguise]] ([[Cha]]), [[Hide (SRD Skill)|Hide]] ([[Dex]]), [[Jump (SRD Skill)|Jump]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Knowledge (Skill)|Knowledge (Arcana)]] ([[Int]]), [[Listen (SRD Skill)|Listen]] ([[Wis]]), [[Move Silently (SRD Skill)|Move Silently]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Open Lock (Skill)|Open Lock]] ([[Dex]]), [[SRD:Search (Skill)|Search]] ([[Int]]), [[Sleight of Hand (SRD Skill)|Sleight of Hand]] ([[Dex]]), [[Spot (SRD Skill)|Spot]] ([[Wis]]), [[Tumble (SRD Skill)|Tumble]] ([[Dex]]).
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== Class Features ==

All of the following are class features of the assassin.

'''Weapon and Armor Proficiency:''' The assassin is proficient with light armor and all daggers.

The following terms are used in the description of the assassin:

''Bleeding:'' Some assassin attacks cause bleeding. A bleeding character loses 1d4 health at the beginning of his turn. A [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell or similar effect will remove this affliction. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the bleeding when he begins bleeding and each round thereafter.

''Buff:'' A buff spell is a type of [[#Deadly Arts|deadly art]] that causes a positive effect on its target. Buffs can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Haste]]'') may be considered buffs as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Daggers:'' For the purposes of this class, all of the following weapons are considered to be "daggers": [[Dagger (SRD Weapon)|Dagger]], [[Dirk (DnD Equipment)|Dirk]], [[Kama (SRD Weapon)|Kama]], [[Kukri (SRD Weapon)|Kukri]], [[Dagger, Punching (SRD Weapon)|Punching Dagger]], [[Sai (SRD Weapon)|Sai]], and [[Siangham (SRD Weapon)|Siangham]]. The dungeon master may determine that weapons similar to these will also qualify as daggers for this class.

''Deep wound:'' A character with a deep wound has his current and maximum health reduced by 20%, and suffers a -2 penalty to [[constitution]]. In addition, all healing on the character heals for 20% less hit points (other effects are unaffected; thus, a [[SRD:Heal (Spell)|Heal]] spell still removes all afflictions, including this one, but heals for 20% less health than is stated). Each round, including the one in which the deep wound was applied, the victim is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the wound.

''Elite ability:'' Some assassin abilities are more powerful than others. As such, they are marked as "elite abilities". The assassin can use a number of elite abilities per day equal to one-half his class level plus his wisdom modifier. Some deadly arts are elite abilities.

''Hex:'' A hex spell is a type of deadly art that causes a negative effect or condition on its target. Hexes can be ended in any way that other magical effects with durations can be ended. Other spells (such as ''[[Slow]]'') may be considered hexes as well, as determined by the dungeon master.

''Poison:'' Poison from this class works differently from normal poison. A poisoned character takes 1d6 damage at the beginning of each of his turns. This poison never deals ability damage. The assassin's poison is affected by spells, immunities, and so forth as though it were normal poison. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to remove the poison when the poison is inflicted upon it and every time it takes damage from the poison.

''Shadow step:'' A shadow step is similar to a teleport; however, it only affects the assassin and any gear on his person. Whenever the assassin shadow steps, he disappears from his current location and reappears in the new location. Bursts of shadow appear in both squares affected, evidence that he has just stepped into one shadow and out of another. Unless otherwise specified, shadow steps have unlimited range but cannot cross planes. If the assassin shadow steps to an occupied square, he is shoved towards the nearest space large enough to hold his body mass (which may or may not be within the same square, depending on what now occupies it) and takes 1d6 damage for each 5 feet traveled.

'''Sneak Attack ([[Ex]]):''' If an assassin can catch an opponent when she is unable to defend herself effectively from his attack, he can strike a vital spot for extra damage. This extra damage does not apply if the assassin wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

The assassin’s attack deals extra damage any time his target would be denied a Dexterity bonus to AC (whether the target actually has a Dexterity bonus or not), or when the assassin [[Flanking (SRD Rules)|flanks]] his target. This extra damage is 1d6 at 1st level, and it increases by 1d6 every assassin level divisible by three thereafter. Should the assassin score a critical hit with a sneak attack, this extra damage is not multiplied.

The assassin cannot take a -4 penalty to deal nonlethal damage with a sneak attack.

An assassin can sneak attack only living creatures with discernible anatomies - [[:Category:Undead Type|undead]], [[:Category:Construct Type|constructs]], [[:Category:Ooze Type|oozes]], [[:Category:Plant Type|plants]], and [[:Category:Incorporeal Subtype|incorporeal]] creatures lack vital areas to attack. Any creature that is immune to critical hits is not vulnerable to sneak attacks. The assassin must be able to see the target well enough to pick out a vital spot and must be able to reach such a spot. An assassin cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with [[Concealment (SRD Rules)|concealment]] or striking the limbs of a creature whose vitals are beyond reach.

'''Two-Dagger Fighting:''' The assassin gains the [[Two-Weapon Fighting]] feat, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Shadow Vision ([[Ex]]):''' All assassins train in darkness due to their affinity with the shadows. As a result, an assassin gains [[low-light vision]]. If he already has low-light vision, he may choose to gain [[darkvision]] with a range of 60 feet or to double the effectiveness of his low-light vision. If he already has darkvision and low-light vision, he may instead choose to extend the range of his darkvision by 60 feet (instead of doubling the effectiveness of his low-light vision). Unlike normal darkvision, the assassin's shadow vision allows him to retain a semblance of color in his darkvision.

The assassin also gains a +1 bonus to any [[spot]] checks he makes, as his eyes have become slightly more fine-tuned due the stress of learning to see in what is normally too dark for him to see.

'''Dagger Finesse:''' At 2nd level, the assassin gains the [[Weapon Finesse]] feat for any dagger he chooses, even if he does not meet the prerequisites. He loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' At 2nd level and above, the assassin has a critical strikes score equal to one plus one-fifth his class level. Whenever the assassin successfully makes a critical hit with one or more daggers on a target with a [[Challenge Rating]] no less than his own, he adds this number to his critical strikes pool. In addition, the threat range of any dagger the assassin wields is increased by one-half this level. These critical strikes points fade at the end of the encounter, and his critical strikes pool cannot exceed his class level. The deadly assassin must have at least one point in his critical strikes pool in order to use a critical attack (see below). The assassin loses these benefits if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light.

'''Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 3rd level and higher, an assassin can avoid even magical and unusual attacks with great agility. If he makes a successful Reflex saving throw against an attack that normally deals half damage on a successful save, he instead takes no damage. The assassin loses this benefit if he wields a weapon other than daggers or if he wears a shield or armor heavier than light. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of evasion.

'''Shadow Run ([[Su]]):''' At 4th level, the assassin learns the first of his Shadow Arts: the ability to be captured by the shadows at a later point. When the assassin activates this ability, his maximum speed increases by 20% (rounded to the nearest 5-ft. increment) for a number of rounds equal to his class level + his wisdom modifier. After those rounds pass, the assassin shadow steps to the square in which he activated this ability.

'''Deadly Arts ([[Sp]]):''' An assassin does not prepare or cast spells in quite the same way that other arcane spellcasters do. Instead, his training focuses on what are known as "deadly arts" - unique spells with different mechanics. (Because they cover a wide variety of abilities, deadly arts are sometimes "cast", "used", or "activated", and may be referred to as "skills", "spells", or "abilities", though in truth they are always a combination of all of these.) These compliment the assassin's other talents, making him far more effective in battle. Daggers thrown in the process of using a deadly art are created as part of the casting. An assassin can use any deadly art he knows at will, with the following qualifications:

An assassin's deadly arts are spell-like abilities; using a deadly art is therefore an attack action that provokes [[attacks of opportunity]]. A deadly art can be disrupted, just as a spell can be ruined during casting. An assassin is entitled to a [[Concentration]] check to successfully use an deadly art if he is hit by an attack while casting, just as a spellcaster would be. An assassin can choose to use an art defensively, by making a successful Concentration check, to avoid provoking attacks of opportunity. An assassin's deadly arts are subject to spell resistance unless an art specifically states otherwise. An assassin's caster level with his deadly arts is equal to one-half his class level.

The save DC for a deadly art (if it allows a save) is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Intelligence modifier. The assassin cannot cast a deadly art if he does not have an Intelligence score of at least 10 + spell level.

Deadly arts cannot benefit from Metamagic feats, since they aren't strictly spells. However, they can benefit from feats that deal with Spell-Like Abilities.

Deadly arts are subject to arcane spell failure caused by armors, unlike other spell-like abilities. This applies to all kinds except for light armors, since the somatic components required for invocations are relatively simple. All deadly arts have a somatic component.

Deadly arts normally have a range of 100 feet. Some deadly arts have half the normal range; thus, their range is 50 feet. A few deadly arts have a range of touch.

There are two levels of deadly arts. At 11th level, the assassin may choose to trade out any first-level spell he knows for another first-level spell.

The assassin only ever learns a limited number of deadly arts spells. He learns deadly arts according to the progression on Table: The Assassin above, plus bonus deadly arts according to his Intelligence modifier. These bonus deadly arts known are earned the same way bonus spells per day are earned, with one exception: The assassin may never have more than one bonus deadly art for each level.

The assassin chooses his deadly arts known from the [[#Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List|Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List]], below.

'''Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' Starting at 5th level, an assassin can react to danger before her senses would normally allow her to do so. She retains her Dexterity bonus to AC (if any) even if she is caught flat-footed or struck by an invisible attacker. However, she still loses her Dexterity bonus to AC if immobilized.

'''Critical Attack:''' At 5th level and every odd-numbered level thereafter, an assassin learns one critical attack. Each critical attack costs him at least one point from his critical strikes pool. Some critical attacks are elite abilities (see above); if so, this is mentioned in their entry as seen below. The assassin cannot learn elite critical attacks unless he already knows three or more other critical attacks.

Critical attack entries follow the following format: ''Name of attack:'' Elite (if elite) damage type (if applicable) type of critical attack. Description of the attack.

Critical attacks fall into one of three categories: primary attacks, followup attacks, and final blows. A critical attack cannot be used if the deadly assassin does not have a number of points in his critical strikes pool at least equal to the number of points the critical attack would use. [[#Double Striking|Double striking]] never applies to critical attacks.

An assassin must attempt to deal the correct type of damage with his critical attack (slashing or piercing); thus, daggers that can deal either type of damage (or one dagger in each hand with one dealing slashing and the other dealing piercing damage) are extremely beneficial, as they may prevent the assassin from taking a -4 penalty on his attack roll. If no damage type is indicated, the deadly assassin can choose to deal either type of damage (but cannot choose to do bludgeoning damage unless the attack description specifically states otherwise). The assassin cannot deal subdual damage with a critical attack unless the attack's description specifically states otherwise.

Any critical attacks that "fail" fail as though the assassin's [[SRD:Space/Reach (Creature Statistic)|reach]] was not enough to complete the attack. A failed or incomplete critical attack still consumes points from the critical strikes pool, as does one that misses. A critical attack fails if its prerequisites are not met or if it does not strike a foe that is affected by the required attack type or hex. (Therefore, attempting to use a chain of critical attacks out of order will result in numerous attacks that do not hit and drain the deadly assassin's critical strikes pool.)

The following are prerequisites of any critical attack: The assassin cannot make more than two critical attacks in one round, and never consecutively. The deadly assassin can only make critical attacks with one or more daggers of any type, and only when wearing light or no armor and not wearing a shield. Critical attacks must always hit a foe that was hit in the previous ten rounds by the prerequisite attack type defined by the critical attack. If a critical attack requires the assassin to be buffed or to hit a hexed foe, this time limit does not apply so long as the assassin and/or his target are affected as required.

From 15th level onwards, the assassin can instead choose any [[SRD:Rogue (Class)#Special Abilities|rogue special abilities]] that he does not already have. He may not choose a feat in place of this special ability.

Critical attacks are chosen from the following list. The dungeon master may approve the use of additional critical attacks in the campaign, or disallow the use of certain critical attacks, as he sees fit.

''Black Lotus Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, you gain half as many points toward your critical strikes pool that you would if you had made a critical hit. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Black Spider Strike:'' Followup attack. Must strike a hexed foe. If this attack hits, the target is poisoned for seven rounds. The assassin gains a +3 bonus on this attack roll. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Critical Strike:'' Final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack results in a critical hit. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Disrupting Stab:'' Piercing primary attack. If this attack hits, any spell being cast by target foe is automatically lost as though the caster had failed a [[Concentration (SRD Skill)|concentration]] check. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Falling Spider:'' Piercing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. This attack fails if it does not strike a prone foe. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to his class level (maximum +12). If this attack hits, the foe is poisoned for 5 rounds. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Fox Fangs:'' Followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. The deadly assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +12) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +6). This attack ignores the target's shield bonus to AC and uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Fox Strike:'' Piercing primary attack. You gain a bonus to this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds his class level (maximum +16). If you are buffed, you gain a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to 1 + one-half your assassin class level (maximum +12) and this attack ignores any shield bonus your target has to his AC. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Golden Phoenix Strike:'' Slashing followup attack. Must follow a primary attack. If you are not buffed, this attack misses. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack roll equal to his class level (maximum +15) and damage roll equal to one-half his class level (maximum +8). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

''Horns of the Ox:'' Piercing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's damage roll equal to two-thirds his class level (maximum +15). If this attack hits, the target is knocked [[Prone (SRD Term)|prone]]. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Jagged Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. If this attack hits, the target begins bleeding for four rounds. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC is 10 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Nine Tail Strike:'' Slashing final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack fails if you cannot make a full attack when you make this attack. You attack four times, each with a +2 bonus to attack and damage rolls. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool.

''Palm Strike ([[Su]]):'' Elite followup attack. This attack fails if you do not have at least one hand empty (except for a gauntlet, glove, or similar object). You can use the [[Quick Draw]] feat to sheathe a dagger before making this attack and draw it out again afterwards. Make a touch attack against target foe. If that foe is hit, you deal 1d8 damage for every two class levels you have in assassin to that foe, plus your Wisdom bonus (if any). You deal one less damage for every two dice of damage you deal. This damage is not susceptible to reduction of any form. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool.

''Punishing Blow:'' Elite primary attack. The assassin gains a bonus on this attack's attack and damage rolls equal to one-half his class level (maximum bonus +12) and inflicts a deep wound for a number of rounds equal to 3 + one-fifth the assassin's class level. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DC for this attack is equal to 10 + one-half the assassin's class level.

''Shattering Assault ([[Sp]]):'' Elite final blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack is made with a +1 bonus and ignores any shield bonus to the target's AC. If it hits, the target is affected as though by a targeted [[Dispel Magic (DnD Spell|Dispel Magic]] effect; however, the assassin can remove no more than one magical effect on his foe with this attack. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d6+2 rounds.

''Temple Strike ([[Ex]]):'' Elite bludgeoning finishing blow. Must follow a followup attack. This attack deals damage as though you were one size smaller, and you take a -4 penalty on this attack roll because you are using the pommel of your dagger handle or the flat of your blade to deal nonlethal bludgeoning damage. If it attack hits, the target is [[Blinded (SRD Term)|blinded]] for a number of rounds equal to the number of additional points the deadly assassin spends on this attack from his critical strikes pool. While a foe is blinded this way, any spells he casts take twice as long to cast (a swift or free action becomes a standard action, and a standard or move action becomes a full-round action; swift actions used this way still count towards the limit of one swift action per round) and automatically fails concentration checks to cast these spells (including any spell being cast when hit by this attack, if applicable). If no additional points are invested into this attack, there is no additional effect. This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for a number of rounds equal to the number of extra points you put into this attack. The target is allowed a Fortitude save to negate the blindness with a DC of 16 + one-half the assassin's class level + the assassin's Wisdom modifier.

''Twisting Fangs:'' Piercing final blow. If you cannot make a full attack against your target with two different daggers, this attack fails. You make two attacks against your target, each with a +2 bonus on their attack rolls. If the first attack misses, so does the second one. If the first attack hits, your target begins bleeding. If the second attack hits, your target suffers from a deep wound. Both of these have a duration of a number of rounds equal to 2 + (your attack roll - your target's AC)/5. This attack uses three points from the critical strikes pool. The Fortitude DCs for this attack equal 10 + the assassin's Wisdom modifier + one-half the assassin's class level.

''Unsuspecting Strike:'' Slashing primary attack. This attack's damage roll gains a +3 bonus. If your foe's health is above 85% of his maximum, you deal extra damage equal to your class level (maximum +20). This attack uses one point from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 1d4+2 rounds.

''Wild Blow:'' Followup attack. This attack must be made against one shield the target is wielding, if possible. If it hits the target's shield, the target is disarmed of that shield automatically. If the target is not wielding a shield, this attack is made normally with a +3 bonus on the attack and damage rolls. This attack uses two points from the critical strikes pool. After using this attack, you cannot use it again for 2d3 rounds.

'''Shadow Walk ([[Su]]):''' At 6th level, the assassin learns more of his affinity with the shadows. For a number of times per day equal to his Wisdom modifier, he may shadow step to a square adjacent to a foe for five rounds, shadow stepping back to where he was at the end of the fifth. After using this skill, the assassin cannot use it again for five rounds.

'''Improved Uncanny Dodge ([[Ex]]):''' An assassin of 8th level or higher can no longer be flanked.

This defense denies a rogue the ability to sneak attack the character by flanking her, unless the attacker has at least four more rogue levels than the target does.

If a character already has uncanny dodge (see above) from a second class, the character automatically gains improved uncanny dodge instead, and the levels from the classes that grant uncanny dodge stack to determine the minimum rogue level required to flank the character.

'''Dagger Defense ([[Ex]]):''' At 8th level, the assassin has practiced using his daggers so much that he can quickly block any attack made against him. As long as the assassin has at least one dagger drawn, he gains a +2 shield bonus to AC. He gains an additional +2 bonus if he has two daggers drawn, and an additional +1 bonus for each dagger drawn after that. The deadly assassin gains this benefit even if he is flat-footed, so long as he has at least one dagger drawn and his arms have the mobility to move the daggers to block attacks (thus, if he is paralyzed or immobilized). However, the deadly assassin loses the benefits of this ability if he is wearing medium or heavy armor or wielding a shield.

'''Shadowy Dodge ([[Su]]):''' At 11th level, the assassin learns how to pull shadows around himself to hide his position. He gains a number of Shadowy Dodge points equal to three × his Wisdom modifier. By spending any number of Shadowy Dodge points, he gains [[concealment]] for the same number of rounds or total concealment for half that number of rounds. Shadowy Dodge points are regenerated after 24 hours.

'''Improved Evasion ([[Ex]]):''' At 13th level, the assassin gains improved evasion. This ability works like evasion, except that while the assassin still takes no damage on a successful Reflex saving throw against attacks henceforth she henceforth takes only half damage on a failed save. A helpless assassin does not gain the benefit of improved evasion.

'''Dagger Mastery:''' At 14th level, the assassin is one with his daggers. Henceforth, he gains a +2 bonus on all attack rolls and a +4 bonus to all damage rolls he makes with daggers, and the critical threat range of all daggers he wields increases by 1. In addition, he may use his sneak attacks and critical attacks to deal nonlethal damage at no penalty (effects other than damage do not apply to these attacks, however).

An assassin with this ability is treated as having the [[SRD:Weapon Specialization (Feat)|Weapon Specialization]] feat with all daggers.

'''Double Striking:''' At 16th level, the assassin's daggers are mere flashes of light as they strike his foe. Every time he makes an attack with his daggers (other than a critical attack), he has a 20% chance to make two attacks instead. These attacks deal damage as weapons one size smaller, but can score critical hits normally.

'''Shadow Displacement ([[Su]]):''' At 18th level, the assassin is nearly a complete master of the shadows. As a swift action, he can shadow step to any creature that he can see within 100 feet, appearing in an adjacent square. When he chooses to end this ability (a free action), he shadow steps to the square where he activated this ability. This effect ends automatically after one hour. Should he use this ability again before dismissing it or its duration expires, it activates normally, but the square where the assassin returns to is reset to the new location. This is an elite ability.

== Assassin Deadly Arts Skills List ==

=== 1st level arts ===

'''Blinding Powder:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe and all adjacent foes are blinded for 1d3 rounds.

'''Caltrops:''' Target foe and all adjacent foes move 50% slower for 1d6 rounds. This skill has half the normal range.

'''Critical Eye:''' Buff spell. For 1d6 rounds, you have an additional 10% chance to land a critical threat. Whenever you successfully land a critical hit, you add one additional point to your critical strikes pool. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 2d4 rounds.

'''Dancing Daggers:''' This spell fails if you cannot make a full attack when you activate it. You throw three daggers formed of acid at your target. Make a ranged touch attack for each. These daggers strike for 1d3 acid damage + your intelligence modifier each. This art uses one points from the critical strikes pool and counts as a primary attack. After using this art, you cannot use it again for one round.

'''Dark Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to a square adjacent to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 33% for 1d4 rounds. After using this art, you cannot use it again for 2d8 rounds. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Entangling Asp:''' Must follow a primary attack. Target foe is knocked prone and is poisoned for a number of rounds equal to your intelligence modifier. A successful Fortitude save negates the prone effect and halves the number of rounds the target is poisoned. This spell has half the normal range.

'''Shadow Refuge:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, you gain 1d6 health for each point of intelligence modifier you have (maximum 3d6) at the beginning of your turn. At the end of the third round, if you attack, you gain an additional 2d6 health + your intelligence modifier. After using this spell, you cannot use it again for eight rounds.

'''Shameful Fear:''' Hex spell. For five rounds, target foe moves 10% faster than normal. At the end of each round, if that foe moved, he takes 1d4 damage. Each time the foe takes damage, he is allowed a Will save to remove this hex.

'''Way of Perfection:''' Buff spell. For 2d6 rounds, whenever you land a critical hit, you gain 1d6 health. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds.

'''Way of the Lotus:''' Buff spell. For three rounds, the next time you hit with a final blow, you add 1d4 points to your critical strikes pool.

=== 2nd level arts ===

'''Assassin's Promise:''' Hex spell. For 3d4 rounds, if target foe dies, all of your "recharging" abilities (those that you cannot use for a stated number of rounds) are recharged and you add a number of points to your critical strikes pool equal to your intelligence modifier (maximum 5). This is an elite ability. After using this art, you cannot use it again for two minutes (although you can use this hex to recharge itself).

'''Enduring Toxin:''' Hex spell. At the start of target foe's next turn, he takes 2d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). If that foe moves during that turn, Enduring Toxin is renewed unless the target succeeds at a Will save.

'''Impale:''' Must follow a final blow. Target foe takes 3d6 damage + your intelligence modifier (Fortitude half). That foe takes an additional 1d3 acid damage for each point of intelligence bonus you have and suffers a deep wound for a number of seconds equal to one-half your intelligence modifier. Once you use this ability, you cannot use it again for 1d4 rounds.

'''Iron Palm:''' Target touched foe takes 2d6 damage and is [[dazed]] for two rounds. A successful Fortitude save negates the dazed effect. This counts as a primary attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool, but after using this skill, you cannot use it again for 4d6 rounds.

'''Mantis Touch:''' Must follow a primary attack. Make a melee touch attack against target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 50% for 1d3 rounds unless that foe succeeds at a Fortitude save. After using this skill, you cannot use it again for 1d6 rounds. This counts as a followup attack and uses one point from the critical strikes pool.

'''Scorpion Wire:''' Hex spell. For 1d6 rounds, whenever there is more than 100 feet between you and target foe, you shadow step to that foe and that foe becomes prone. This spell has half the normal range. A successful Will save negates this hex.

'''Shadow Prison:''' Hex spell. Shadow step to target foe. That foe's movement speeds are reduced by 66% for 2d4 rounds + your intelligence modifier. This is an elite ability. A successful Will save negates this hex (but you still shadow step to an appropriate square).

'''Shroud of Silence:''' Hex spell. For three rounds, you cannot cast spells or similar abilities (including, but not limited to, deadly arts, meldshaping, psionics, and epic spells, but not including attack-based spell-like abilities such as the ''Shattering Assault'' critical attack). For 1d4 rounds, target foe cannot cast spells. This is an elite ability. After your spells and similar abilities recharge, you cannot use this ability for 2d6 rounds.

'''Siphon Strength:''' Hex spell. For 1d3 rounds, target foe does half damage with his attacks and all your attacks have an additional 20% chance to land a critical hit against that foe. This is an elite ability.

'''Way of the Empty Palm:''' Buff spell. For a number of rounds equal to one-half your intelligence modifier, followup and final blow critical attacks do not drain points from your critical strikes pool. This is an elite ability. After using this ability, you cannot use it again for 3d6 rounds + your intelligence modifier.

= The Epic Assassin =

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== Class Features ==

'''Critical Attack:''' The assassin continues to gain critical attacks as normal. If he chooses, he may instead research his own critical attack (subject to approval by the dungeon master).

'''Critical Strikes ([[Ex]]):''' The assassin's critical strikes ability continues to improve as normal, although he cannot have a chance of critical striking greater than 45% from this ability.

'''Bonus Feats:''' The epic assassin gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic assassin bonus feats) every five levels after 20th.

''Epic Assassin Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Blinding Speed (Epic Feat)|Blinding Speed]], [[SRD:Dexterous Fortitude (Epic Feat)|Dexterious Fortitude]], [[SRD:Dexterous Will (Epic Feat)|Dexterous Will]], [[SRD:Epic Dodge (Epic Feat)|Epic Dodge]], [[SRD:Epic Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Epic Reflexes]], [[SRD:Epic Speed (Epic Feat)|Epic Speed]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Focus (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Focus]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Specialization (Epic Feat)|Epic Weapon Specialization]][[#Note - Epic Weapon Feats|1]], [[SRD:Improved Combat Reflexes (Epic Feat)|Improved Combat Reflexes]], [[SRD:Improved Sneak Attack (Epic Feat)|Improved Sneak Attack]], [[SRD:Lingering Damage (Epic Feat)|Lingering Damage]], [[SRD:Overwhelming Critical (Epic Feat)|Overwhelming Critical]], [[SRD:Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting (Epic Feat)|Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting)]], [[SRD:Self-Concealment (Epic Feat)|Self-Concealment]], [[SRD:Sneak Attack of Opportunity (Epic Feat)|Sneak Attack of Opportunity]], [[SRD:Spellcasting Harrier (Epic Feat)|Spellcasting Harrier]], [[SRD:Superior Initiative (Epic Feat)|Superior Initiative]], [[SRD:Two-Weapon Rend (Epic Feat)|Two-Weapon Rend]].

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Wish to test a thing. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:16, 30 May 2007 (MDT)

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== Talk Pages Enough? ==

I personally believe that D&D Wiki's talk pages are not enough i think that a fourm and/or a chat room/section would be much easier to communicate with each other i often come on and have no idea of what has been/is going on! i believe fourms would help reduce that problem! that way i do not have to go through every ones talk pages to learn what is going on! the chat room would help new pepole (n00bs) like me know which admins are on so we can ask them for direct help not having to post it on green dragons and others user pages to ask! That way it is fast and efficient! i also believe it would attract more users! --[[User:MeDieViL|MeDieViL]] 16:19, 26 February 2007 (MST)

:Well... Recent Changes with "my watchlist" is a good way to check if pages that you have edited have been changed. However, the idea of a "discussion area" is being proposed in [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Other => Discussion & Guidelines]]. You may want to voice your opinion their and say you would use a "discussion area". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 26 February 2007 (MST)

== Unregistered users ==

What are the pros & cons of allowing unregistered users to edit pages? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:46, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:'''Pros:''' They often help clean up language, spelling, etc. on pages; they often contribute to talk pages nicely; most everyone who visits the site starts as an unregistered user until they decide they like the site and join.
:'''Cons:''' They often vandalize pages; they often change people's pages in superfluous and, many times, in negative ways (adding broken grammar, corrupting a concept, etc.); they often start pages with a very minor amount of text and then never return to complete the project; they often have little or no knowledge of wiki, so we have to format their pages for them; they don't understand how we use categories, etc. in creating pages (though we have instituted preloads and template to make this as easy as possible); and, finally, they virtually never return periodically to engage in the polishing and cooperative process of idea improvement, which is a main goal of the wiki. Further, I personally dislike when the rate things, since they often do what I consider a rather shoddy job-- they often have no sense of how the balance system works or simply arbitrarily assign a balance with inadequate or plainly mistaken reasoning ([[Talk:Diplomat (DnD Prestige Class)|example]]).
:—[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:44, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::They allow people like myself to not have to click the "remember password" on the school computers. (I can be pretty bad at forgetting to log in at school.) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::Honestly, I see IPs are amazing, without them a wiki is not a wiki. To be honest most new content on D&D Wiki is added by IPs; albeit sometimes very very bad content that is either spam or not balanced. Also, they do have their problems, which I think EldritchNumen covered very well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::::I agree. A wiki is about total community involvement, and that sometimes means users will not always be extremely active or "regulars"; at the same time, that doesn't mean that their contributions are meaningless. Quite the contrary; as Green Dragon mentioned, the wiki is not a wiki if editing is restricted categorically based upon user status. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:15, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::::Okay, thanks. I'm still new to this paradigm. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== +Project? ==

Is there a place where we can post about a project we want to start? (Sorry, I should know this...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:48, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:What kind of project? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::Shoot. It had something to do with Sorcerer and Wizard spells and converting them to a proper format or something like that... I've forgotten for now. I'll remember eventually. But where should I put it when I remember? Would here work? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:02, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Is the project formatting all the spells on D&D Wiki to the correct format - or what? I am a little confused still. If it is just a TODO item it should be posted on [[D&D Wiki:Things to do]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::::I remember now. I'll post it there, thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:44, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::No problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:43, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

== Locked? ==

Should this include <nowiki>{{Admin_Locked_Page}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:18, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:I think that template would be obtrusive on the main page because the main page has so little content on it. It's a small page and I would not want to put a large template on it. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::No strong opinion. I see your point. I'm actually making the locked template less intrusive on [http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/WikiRPS:Site_support WikiRPS]. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Hm... I like it - I may implemet it here. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== Double redirects - celebrate! ==

As of this moment, we now officially have less than six hundred double redirects! Thanks to everyone who's worked on this, and hopefully we'll be rid of them all soon.

On a side note, how did we get all these? >.> I get the feeling sometime before I became active here a bunch of pages were moved at least twice.

I'm going back to flooding recent changes with redirect fixes now... [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:14, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Mainly the SRD was moved to it's own namespace and DnD Monsters was changed to DnD Creatures. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::We're down to 500 exactly, not including ones on Candidates for Deletion and the locked ones I've thrown on your talk page. Woot. And there's the bell :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

== Page Titles ==

I've been changing pages so that the first heading is only depth 1 (one equal sign). Then I remembered something I'd read, and looked it up in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing&oldid=55026298#Organizing_your_writing Wikipedia's documentation]:

:''Start with 2 equals signs not 1 because 1 creates H1 tags which should be reserved for page title.''

So, to follow the official guidelines, any of our pages that currently start at depth 1 should start at depth 2 instead. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:52, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:On D&D Wiki H1 titles are mainly used only to reiderate the title on a certain page; to separate the content from templates etc. H1 titles are not used how H2 titles are used, ever. D&D Wiki has it's own little styles and sometimes Wikipedias guidelines are not the best choice for this site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:48, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Downtime ==

I am sorry for the downtime that D&D Wiki experienced today. The log files were not rotating properly in MySQL and had grown to be too large. This problem will not happen again. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

: ''':)''' No problem. We were a little concerned, but these sorts of things do happen! Don't worry about it-- –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:14, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images ==

Wikpedia's [[w:WP:FU|fair use]] policy states:

:An editor uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia must provide a detailed [[w:WP:IDP#Fair use rationale|"fair use" rationale]], or the uploaded material will be [[w:WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia|deleted]].

I would recommend this site adopt a similar policy, possibly including procedures for [[w:WP:FU#Tagging for review|tagging for review]].

I would also recommend that we follow [[w:Wikipedia:Five pillars|Wikipedia's lead]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]] on the part of someone posting an image. Until proven otherwise, we should assume that someone posting copyrighted material was unaware of the issues involved. (Indeed, I didn't consider the issues, myself, until someone else brought them up.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:Currently, it works as you said above (like how Wikipedia handles it) it just is not written out. If you would like to make a page about Images and copyrights please go ahead—D&D Wiki needs one! However, if you do not it will just be something that people will slowly come to understand and they will hope that D&D Wiki treats images the same as Wikipedia. Anyway, right now there are so little images on this site it is not a bog problem or a big issue, however that could easily change... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wikia ==

Kindred spirits? http://dnd.wikia.com/ --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:20, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:That wiki is older and very inactive (See RC and [http://dnd.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics stats]). Anyway, there content is not quite on the same levels as D&D Wiki, in my opinion (I know, I am biased). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::"There are 120,707 registered users..." That's impressive. You're right, they're not nearly as well developed, but I figured it would at least be a good source of GFPL material. I just copied over: images.wikia.com/dnd/images//7/75/Gold_piece.jpg. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:23, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::The reason they have so many users is because the users are the same throught the wikia wiki's. It's not that impressive as most of the users on the userlist have never seen that site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Ah, and here I thought it was a bug, when it was really a feature. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images available ==

[[Image:sai.png|thumb|right|Sai]]
I've uploaded a bunch of [[w:free content|free content]] images to [[wikirps:|WikiRPS]], and will be loading a bunch more. You can see what I've loaded so far by going to [[wikirps:Category:Weapon]] and scrolling to the bottom. <s>Once the image appears to the right of this paragraph, you'll know that Blue Dragon has set up image sharing.</s> –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 14:37, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

:Good work. Link to them as appropriate, and thanks for finding them all ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I have added the proper links. One question for the users of this wiki: Do you want me to create media.dandwiki.com and have all non-existing images point to there? There can only be one wiki which every wiki looks to for missing images, and I feel that media.dandwiki.com would be more appropriate than both wikis linking to each other. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:02, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I think that should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:38, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Not knowing much about it, I'm neutral. If it has advantages, go for it; if not, then don't. That's my two cents. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:26, 4 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::I'm not sure what you mean by ''non-existing images'' -- newly created images? -- but I like the idea of a central image repository. Thanks for thinking of this. Oh, wait, I get it. The link would look first on the local wiki, and only if it's not there, then it would look on media.dandwiki.com. I still like the idea, but I would hope SOP would be to upload all images to media.dandwiki.com, unless you can think of a drawback to this. (I can't.)

:::::Would it be possible to write a bot that moves all existing images from both sites over to media.dandwiki.com? That should be seamless with regard to pages that link them, right? We'd have to have a policy for collisions. Perhaps move all images from D&D Wiki, and then move all images from WikiRPS that don't duplicate an existing name. I'd be happy to review the remaining images. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:14, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::I moved them over, but I forgot to mention that there were two collisions. One was Padlock.png, and the other was Dirk.something. I looked the files over, and the both looked the same, so I just went ahead with the D&D Wiki version. There are backups of everything, so let me know if one of them is an outdated version. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I'm surprised there weren't more collisions.
:::::::I copied [[:Image:Padlock.png]] from D&D Wiki, so it makes sense the two copies would be the same. [[:Image:Dirk.png]] is the one I uploaded, so if there's a problem, it'll be on the D&D Wiki side, unless it's a different file you saw.
:::::::Thanks a lot for doing all this. [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] 22:40, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

== MediaWiki updated ==

I have recently upgraded this site to MW 1.10.0. As with all updates, this may cause problems. Please let me know if any arise. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:32, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

:Recent changed on 500 gives "''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 2 seconds exceeded in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/includes/Linker.php on line 71''". Also, all NPCs do not work (timeout). You should keep a log of the problems that arise with each update and ''fix them every update'' because this has been fixed many many times now. You could have just looked at old updates to see what had to be fixed then and do those before finishing the update. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, those have been fixed. You are correct -- I keep on forgetting that it is set to two by default. That might not need to be enabled anymore seeing that was code optimization for D&D Wiki on the old server. If you want, I can do a few test runs without it. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:57, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Is this the update that made diff pages change from the red text for changed content to the strikethroughs and underlines? Cause I kinda hate it, I dunno about you guys though... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

::::It is. –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:57, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Seeing that this update came from MediaWiki it would be a pain to hack it together so it goes red again... Also, even though it looks uglier, I think it is easier to use and becomes more useful. Personally, I have come to like it for it usefulness. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:43, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::''[http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/degustibusno.html De gustibus non est disputandum.]'' –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 08:40, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I have to ask how long it takes people to find the differences [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Sledged&curid=7446&diff=100569&oldid=100568 here]. Took me quite a while. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Hello Armond. I understand your point, I really do—however, there is another factor which should be considered. Both me and Green Dragon are red-green colorblind, and so it was very difficult with the old system to view the changes. I do realize that some of the changes are incredibly difficult to view, such as the one that you pointed out, but overall I believe it makes it easier for all people. I would be willing to hack back the old version depending on what the community wants, however. If this is a large enough issue, it should be put to the vote. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::In that case, I think it should stay as it is now. (I feel like an idiot, forgetting about colorblindness. Sorry...) However, I think it would be nicer if we had some sort of color distinguation - my mother tells me that her colorblind co-worker can see red-yellow just fine, so what if we kept the red-yellow and changed the green background to something else? I don't really know what to suggest (blue? purple? orange?), but I'm sure what works for our two top editors will be fine. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I wouldn't mind seeing both types of differentiation. The only thing I didn't like about the previous way was that you couldn't see changes in white space. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::The perfect solution (for all but Blue Dragon because he would most likely code it) would be to make a preference in "user-preferences" that would let one choose their style of diff's (color-coded or strikethroughs and lines). How does this idea sound? Would anyone use it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::In my experience it's nice to have a perfect solution, but it's always worth having a couple backup solutions because you're not overly likely to get the perfect one. I do think that sounds like a good idea (I would certainly use it, and I can see how others would use it too), but I think a couple backup ideas should be considered just in case. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What do you mean by backup? Also, should it be an option for the user to choose the color choices for an edit diff (so, no static colors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:38, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::Well, suppose Blue Dragon can't code it, for whatever reason. What do we do from there? I'd like to have a plan. As for color choices, that could be helpful if it can be implemented. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:22, 21 May 2007 (MDT)

== New Stat Block ==

I've created a new stat block to replace the old. The new one loads faster, allows for deity stats, and has a new system for statting out spellcasting, manifesting, invocation-using, utterances, stances, mysteries, etc. [[Bellinor Fenjornic (DnD NPC)]] is my demo for the new stat block. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:53, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:How did you get it to load so much faster? That is hands down the most useful thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::Extensive research over at [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta-Wiki] involving the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function parser functions] and the [[Template:x0|null template]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

== News ==

Does the new template look better than the old table? Also, are the colors bad or really bad and could someone please figure out some better colors? Finally, how should [[Template:News]] be organized? Oh, BTW, thanks to [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Main_Page PvXwiki] for the image and general idea (even though this one is not as well implemented with the inclusion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:11, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Scroll Image Thingy ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that scroll in the News area on the home page looks suspiciously like a Superior Dervish Rune found in the Guild Wars games. I could confirm this if necessary, but I'd like to know where the person who uploaded it got it. I'm still quite certain thats from Guild Wars, and if so, it's copyrighted. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 19:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:GD mentions above that it's from PvXwiki. I believe that's one of the pictures that ArenaNet made for general use. I will check with Gcardinal of PvXwiki, who made the site and likely knows where the picture is from. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:For reference: [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Image:Hp_news.png] [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gcardinal#Image:Hp_news.png] --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:57, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:Gcardinal is the site's founder and leader, by the way. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:23, 21 May 2007 (MDT)

::Good news - as per the second link there, we can keep the scroll. It's a darn nice scroll too :D --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 19:01, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

:::A couple things. First off, I think maybe it should be removed it is a possible copyright problem. I had no idea it was from Guild Wars (I have never played that game), however now that I know I do not think it would be the best idea to have it. For one it is not D&D related, for another it could lead to problems, and finally I personally do not think it looks as nice as the old class="d20" news table. So, what are the thoughts on this image? Should it stay or should it go? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:17, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

::::I don't think it's a copyright problem. We've used plenty of screenshots from the game, modified or otherwise, without any problems or complaints. If you'd like, I can ask Gaile Gray, their "talk to the community" person (I forget her actual title...) to take a peek and tell us for sure one way or another.

::::I am kind of fond of the brown headline thing, but I see what you mean about the loss of the "class" lines. Is there a way to re-integrate that, while keeping the headline, box, and so forth? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:32, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::We will keep it if you ask Gaile Gray and post her reply on [[dndmedia:Image talk:Hp news.png]]. Also, what do you think about how [[News]] looks now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Ah, that's what I was referring to with the brown headline and the class lines. Sorry if that wasn't clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 09:40, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::So, it looks better now, right? Also, have you contacted Gaile Gray yet? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:13, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Yes, it looks better. As for the image, I've [http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Gaile_Gray#Potential_image_copyright_problem left her a note], but she's not responded yet. (Not surprising, honestly, as she watches at least three fan sites and is the most popular person on all of them.) I'd say give her time, and if I don't get a response in a couple days, I'll move up in the chain of command. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:33, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:That link above doesn't seem to work, Green Dragon, so I'll post her response below:

::The best source of information concerning use of our intellectual property or any Guild Wars asset is contained within our [http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/termsofuse.php Terms of Use]. In that, we make it clear that Guild Wars sites using our art have certain implicit permissions, so that fansites are not required to ask permission each time they expand their pages. However, dndwiki is not a Guild Wars site. Therefore danddwiki must remove the image until such a time as they have written permission from '''ArenaNet''' to use the art. (Someone else cannot give that permission; permission must come from the owner of the IP and/or copyright.) Because the site in question is not a Guild Wars site, I would recommend that they use copyright-free art of some kind rather than using Guild Wars or other art specific to a certain property. --[[User:Gaile Gray|Gaile]] [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

:Shame... We could submit a request to ArenaNet, as she says, but in the meantime we have to take it down. I am, however, glad that DancingZombies pointed it out so we could get it cleared up. Thanks for that. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 13:28, 27 May 2007 (MDT)

::Are you folks able to access [[dndmedia:Image:Hp_news.png|the image]]? I get:
Fatal error: Cannot redeclare dynamicpagelist() in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/extensions/intersections/DynamicPageList2.php on line 568
::(pinging Blue Dragon) –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 06:42, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

:::The problem should be fixed, [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]]. Anyway, now that we have to change the image, which image do you think is a better choice, [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Bible_scroll_template.gif Bible scroll template.gif] or [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Nuvola_apps_knewsticker.png Nuvola apps knewsticker.png]? Or, even, does someone here have a better alternative? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 08:20, 30 May 2007 (MDT)

::::For some reason I seem to think that scrolls do better for news images than newspapers. Before I decide, though, does the wiki work better with some image types than others? I know there are a few wikis where I can't upload a few image types at all... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:12, 30 May 2007 (MDT)

== Vandal ==

When 204.113.90.117 got done vandalizing this site, he moved on to WikiRPS as 204.113.186.166, deleting content. Recommend you block that one, too. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:51, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

:Done. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:01, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

::<nowiki/>*sigh* I remember vandals would insert some crude text or link instead of just deleting content. They were far more amusing then. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:03, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

:::You [[w:Expletive#.22Bad_language.22|$#()*$%!*#@$%)]]! You can't keep living in the [[w:Profanity|()@$#)@#$*%)*]] past. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 13:08, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

== Page Display Errors --oh my! ==

It would seem there is a disturbance in The Force --or something to that effect. At any rate, quite a few pages in the Dungeons and Dragons and SRD sections of the wiki seem to be rather out of sorts. For example, [[DnD Character Optimizations]], [[All DnD Races]], and [[SRD:Races]] (to name a few) all display line after line of php errors rather than their contents (in both Firefox and IE at any rate). Normally I would assume it was just me, but [[Talk:All DnD Races|this talk page]] leads me to think otherwise. Is this just a temporary error or is there something more sinister going on in the nuts n' bolts of the wiki at large? Just wanted to call attention to it; seems a fair bit of a nuisance to casual perusal. --[[User:Rakankou|Rakankou]] 22:43, 27 May 2007 (MDT)

:I get the same errors, along with others (see [[#Scroll Image Thingy]] and [[User talk:Blue Dragon#*** WikiRPS is inaccessible ***]]. It may be coincidence, but we had a vandal attack a couple of days ago. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 06:46, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

::I believe it is an error with the DPL2.php script by Blue Dragon. I have alerted him to this page; hopefully he knows what is going on. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:31, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

:::This was caused by an upgrade to DPL 1.2.0. I have just downgraded for now, and will look into why the problems were occuring later on a test wiki. Sorry for all of these issues, and I am sorry that all of the wikis that were running off of the same extension code base but I did not modify LocalSettings.php on were completely inaccessible. Again, I am sorry. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:54, 28 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Main Page

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== Talk Pages Enough? ==

I personally believe that D&D Wiki's talk pages are not enough i think that a fourm and/or a chat room/section would be much easier to communicate with each other i often come on and have no idea of what has been/is going on! i believe fourms would help reduce that problem! that way i do not have to go through every ones talk pages to learn what is going on! the chat room would help new pepole (n00bs) like me know which admins are on so we can ask them for direct help not having to post it on green dragons and others user pages to ask! That way it is fast and efficient! i also believe it would attract more users! --[[User:MeDieViL|MeDieViL]] 16:19, 26 February 2007 (MST)

:Well... Recent Changes with "my watchlist" is a good way to check if pages that you have edited have been changed. However, the idea of a "discussion area" is being proposed in [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Other => Discussion & Guidelines]]. You may want to voice your opinion their and say you would use a "discussion area". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 26 February 2007 (MST)

== Unregistered users ==

What are the pros & cons of allowing unregistered users to edit pages? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:46, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:'''Pros:''' They often help clean up language, spelling, etc. on pages; they often contribute to talk pages nicely; most everyone who visits the site starts as an unregistered user until they decide they like the site and join.
:'''Cons:''' They often vandalize pages; they often change people's pages in superfluous and, many times, in negative ways (adding broken grammar, corrupting a concept, etc.); they often start pages with a very minor amount of text and then never return to complete the project; they often have little or no knowledge of wiki, so we have to format their pages for them; they don't understand how we use categories, etc. in creating pages (though we have instituted preloads and template to make this as easy as possible); and, finally, they virtually never return periodically to engage in the polishing and cooperative process of idea improvement, which is a main goal of the wiki. Further, I personally dislike when the rate things, since they often do what I consider a rather shoddy job-- they often have no sense of how the balance system works or simply arbitrarily assign a balance with inadequate or plainly mistaken reasoning ([[Talk:Diplomat (DnD Prestige Class)|example]]).
:—[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:44, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::They allow people like myself to not have to click the "remember password" on the school computers. (I can be pretty bad at forgetting to log in at school.) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::Honestly, I see IPs are amazing, without them a wiki is not a wiki. To be honest most new content on D&D Wiki is added by IPs; albeit sometimes very very bad content that is either spam or not balanced. Also, they do have their problems, which I think EldritchNumen covered very well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::::I agree. A wiki is about total community involvement, and that sometimes means users will not always be extremely active or "regulars"; at the same time, that doesn't mean that their contributions are meaningless. Quite the contrary; as Green Dragon mentioned, the wiki is not a wiki if editing is restricted categorically based upon user status. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:15, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::::Okay, thanks. I'm still new to this paradigm. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== +Project? ==

Is there a place where we can post about a project we want to start? (Sorry, I should know this...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:48, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:What kind of project? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::Shoot. It had something to do with Sorcerer and Wizard spells and converting them to a proper format or something like that... I've forgotten for now. I'll remember eventually. But where should I put it when I remember? Would here work? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:02, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Is the project formatting all the spells on D&D Wiki to the correct format - or what? I am a little confused still. If it is just a TODO item it should be posted on [[D&D Wiki:Things to do]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::::I remember now. I'll post it there, thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:44, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::No problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:43, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

== Locked? ==

Should this include <nowiki>{{Admin_Locked_Page}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:18, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:I think that template would be obtrusive on the main page because the main page has so little content on it. It's a small page and I would not want to put a large template on it. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::No strong opinion. I see your point. I'm actually making the locked template less intrusive on [http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/WikiRPS:Site_support WikiRPS]. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Hm... I like it - I may implemet it here. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== Double redirects - celebrate! ==

As of this moment, we now officially have less than six hundred double redirects! Thanks to everyone who's worked on this, and hopefully we'll be rid of them all soon.

On a side note, how did we get all these? >.> I get the feeling sometime before I became active here a bunch of pages were moved at least twice.

I'm going back to flooding recent changes with redirect fixes now... [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:14, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Mainly the SRD was moved to it's own namespace and DnD Monsters was changed to DnD Creatures. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::We're down to 500 exactly, not including ones on Candidates for Deletion and the locked ones I've thrown on your talk page. Woot. And there's the bell :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

== Page Titles ==

I've been changing pages so that the first heading is only depth 1 (one equal sign). Then I remembered something I'd read, and looked it up in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing&oldid=55026298#Organizing_your_writing Wikipedia's documentation]:

:''Start with 2 equals signs not 1 because 1 creates H1 tags which should be reserved for page title.''

So, to follow the official guidelines, any of our pages that currently start at depth 1 should start at depth 2 instead. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:52, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:On D&D Wiki H1 titles are mainly used only to reiderate the title on a certain page; to separate the content from templates etc. H1 titles are not used how H2 titles are used, ever. D&D Wiki has it's own little styles and sometimes Wikipedias guidelines are not the best choice for this site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:48, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Downtime ==

I am sorry for the downtime that D&D Wiki experienced today. The log files were not rotating properly in MySQL and had grown to be too large. This problem will not happen again. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

: ''':)''' No problem. We were a little concerned, but these sorts of things do happen! Don't worry about it-- –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:14, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images ==

Wikpedia's [[w:WP:FU|fair use]] policy states:

:An editor uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia must provide a detailed [[w:WP:IDP#Fair use rationale|"fair use" rationale]], or the uploaded material will be [[w:WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia|deleted]].

I would recommend this site adopt a similar policy, possibly including procedures for [[w:WP:FU#Tagging for review|tagging for review]].

I would also recommend that we follow [[w:Wikipedia:Five pillars|Wikipedia's lead]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]] on the part of someone posting an image. Until proven otherwise, we should assume that someone posting copyrighted material was unaware of the issues involved. (Indeed, I didn't consider the issues, myself, until someone else brought them up.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:Currently, it works as you said above (like how Wikipedia handles it) it just is not written out. If you would like to make a page about Images and copyrights please go ahead—D&D Wiki needs one! However, if you do not it will just be something that people will slowly come to understand and they will hope that D&D Wiki treats images the same as Wikipedia. Anyway, right now there are so little images on this site it is not a bog problem or a big issue, however that could easily change... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wikia ==

Kindred spirits? http://dnd.wikia.com/ --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:20, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:That wiki is older and very inactive (See RC and [http://dnd.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics stats]). Anyway, there content is not quite on the same levels as D&D Wiki, in my opinion (I know, I am biased). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::"There are 120,707 registered users..." That's impressive. You're right, they're not nearly as well developed, but I figured it would at least be a good source of GFPL material. I just copied over: images.wikia.com/dnd/images//7/75/Gold_piece.jpg. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:23, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::The reason they have so many users is because the users are the same throught the wikia wiki's. It's not that impressive as most of the users on the userlist have never seen that site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Ah, and here I thought it was a bug, when it was really a feature. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images available ==

[[Image:sai.png|thumb|right|Sai]]
I've uploaded a bunch of [[w:free content|free content]] images to [[wikirps:|WikiRPS]], and will be loading a bunch more. You can see what I've loaded so far by going to [[wikirps:Category:Weapon]] and scrolling to the bottom. <s>Once the image appears to the right of this paragraph, you'll know that Blue Dragon has set up image sharing.</s> –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 14:37, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

:Good work. Link to them as appropriate, and thanks for finding them all ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I have added the proper links. One question for the users of this wiki: Do you want me to create media.dandwiki.com and have all non-existing images point to there? There can only be one wiki which every wiki looks to for missing images, and I feel that media.dandwiki.com would be more appropriate than both wikis linking to each other. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:02, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I think that should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:38, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Not knowing much about it, I'm neutral. If it has advantages, go for it; if not, then don't. That's my two cents. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:26, 4 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::I'm not sure what you mean by ''non-existing images'' -- newly created images? -- but I like the idea of a central image repository. Thanks for thinking of this. Oh, wait, I get it. The link would look first on the local wiki, and only if it's not there, then it would look on media.dandwiki.com. I still like the idea, but I would hope SOP would be to upload all images to media.dandwiki.com, unless you can think of a drawback to this. (I can't.)

:::::Would it be possible to write a bot that moves all existing images from both sites over to media.dandwiki.com? That should be seamless with regard to pages that link them, right? We'd have to have a policy for collisions. Perhaps move all images from D&D Wiki, and then move all images from WikiRPS that don't duplicate an existing name. I'd be happy to review the remaining images. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:14, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::I moved them over, but I forgot to mention that there were two collisions. One was Padlock.png, and the other was Dirk.something. I looked the files over, and the both looked the same, so I just went ahead with the D&D Wiki version. There are backups of everything, so let me know if one of them is an outdated version. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I'm surprised there weren't more collisions.
:::::::I copied [[:Image:Padlock.png]] from D&D Wiki, so it makes sense the two copies would be the same. [[:Image:Dirk.png]] is the one I uploaded, so if there's a problem, it'll be on the D&D Wiki side, unless it's a different file you saw.
:::::::Thanks a lot for doing all this. [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] 22:40, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

== MediaWiki updated ==

I have recently upgraded this site to MW 1.10.0. As with all updates, this may cause problems. Please let me know if any arise. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:32, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

:Recent changed on 500 gives "''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 2 seconds exceeded in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/includes/Linker.php on line 71''". Also, all NPCs do not work (timeout). You should keep a log of the problems that arise with each update and ''fix them every update'' because this has been fixed many many times now. You could have just looked at old updates to see what had to be fixed then and do those before finishing the update. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, those have been fixed. You are correct -- I keep on forgetting that it is set to two by default. That might not need to be enabled anymore seeing that was code optimization for D&D Wiki on the old server. If you want, I can do a few test runs without it. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:57, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Is this the update that made diff pages change from the red text for changed content to the strikethroughs and underlines? Cause I kinda hate it, I dunno about you guys though... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

::::It is. –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:57, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Seeing that this update came from MediaWiki it would be a pain to hack it together so it goes red again... Also, even though it looks uglier, I think it is easier to use and becomes more useful. Personally, I have come to like it for it usefulness. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:43, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::''[http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/degustibusno.html De gustibus non est disputandum.]'' –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 08:40, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I have to ask how long it takes people to find the differences [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Sledged&curid=7446&diff=100569&oldid=100568 here]. Took me quite a while. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Hello Armond. I understand your point, I really do—however, there is another factor which should be considered. Both me and Green Dragon are red-green colorblind, and so it was very difficult with the old system to view the changes. I do realize that some of the changes are incredibly difficult to view, such as the one that you pointed out, but overall I believe it makes it easier for all people. I would be willing to hack back the old version depending on what the community wants, however. If this is a large enough issue, it should be put to the vote. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::In that case, I think it should stay as it is now. (I feel like an idiot, forgetting about colorblindness. Sorry...) However, I think it would be nicer if we had some sort of color distinguation - my mother tells me that her colorblind co-worker can see red-yellow just fine, so what if we kept the red-yellow and changed the green background to something else? I don't really know what to suggest (blue? purple? orange?), but I'm sure what works for our two top editors will be fine. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I wouldn't mind seeing both types of differentiation. The only thing I didn't like about the previous way was that you couldn't see changes in white space. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::The perfect solution (for all but Blue Dragon because he would most likely code it) would be to make a preference in "user-preferences" that would let one choose their style of diff's (color-coded or strikethroughs and lines). How does this idea sound? Would anyone use it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::In my experience it's nice to have a perfect solution, but it's always worth having a couple backup solutions because you're not overly likely to get the perfect one. I do think that sounds like a good idea (I would certainly use it, and I can see how others would use it too), but I think a couple backup ideas should be considered just in case. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What do you mean by backup? Also, should it be an option for the user to choose the color choices for an edit diff (so, no static colors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:38, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::Well, suppose Blue Dragon can't code it, for whatever reason. What do we do from there? I'd like to have a plan. As for color choices, that could be helpful if it can be implemented. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:22, 21 May 2007 (MDT)

== New Stat Block ==

I've created a new stat block to replace the old. The new one loads faster, allows for deity stats, and has a new system for statting out spellcasting, manifesting, invocation-using, utterances, stances, mysteries, etc. [[Bellinor Fenjornic (DnD NPC)]] is my demo for the new stat block. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:53, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:How did you get it to load so much faster? That is hands down the most useful thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::Extensive research over at [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta-Wiki] involving the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function parser functions] and the [[Template:x0|null template]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

== News ==

Does the new template look better than the old table? Also, are the colors bad or really bad and could someone please figure out some better colors? Finally, how should [[Template:News]] be organized? Oh, BTW, thanks to [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Main_Page PvXwiki] for the image and general idea (even though this one is not as well implemented with the inclusion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:11, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Scroll Image Thingy ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that scroll in the News area on the home page looks suspiciously like a Superior Dervish Rune found in the Guild Wars games. I could confirm this if necessary, but I'd like to know where the person who uploaded it got it. I'm still quite certain thats from Guild Wars, and if so, it's copyrighted. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 19:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:GD mentions above that it's from PvXwiki. I believe that's one of the pictures that ArenaNet made for general use. I will check with Gcardinal of PvXwiki, who made the site and likely knows where the picture is from. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:For reference: [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Image:Hp_news.png] [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gcardinal#Image:Hp_news.png] --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:57, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:Gcardinal is the site's founder and leader, by the way. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:23, 21 May 2007 (MDT)

::Good news - as per the second link there, we can keep the scroll. It's a darn nice scroll too :D --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 19:01, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

:::A couple things. First off, I think maybe it should be removed it is a possible copyright problem. I had no idea it was from Guild Wars (I have never played that game), however now that I know I do not think it would be the best idea to have it. For one it is not D&D related, for another it could lead to problems, and finally I personally do not think it looks as nice as the old class="d20" news table. So, what are the thoughts on this image? Should it stay or should it go? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:17, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

::::I don't think it's a copyright problem. We've used plenty of screenshots from the game, modified or otherwise, without any problems or complaints. If you'd like, I can ask Gaile Gray, their "talk to the community" person (I forget her actual title...) to take a peek and tell us for sure one way or another.

::::I am kind of fond of the brown headline thing, but I see what you mean about the loss of the "class" lines. Is there a way to re-integrate that, while keeping the headline, box, and so forth? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:32, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::We will keep it if you ask Gaile Gray and post her reply on [[dndmedia:Image talk:Hp news.png]]. Also, what do you think about how [[News]] looks now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Ah, that's what I was referring to with the brown headline and the class lines. Sorry if that wasn't clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 09:40, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::So, it looks better now, right? Also, have you contacted Gaile Gray yet? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:13, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Yes, it looks better. As for the image, I've [http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/User_talk:Gaile_Gray#Potential_image_copyright_problem left her a note], but she's not responded yet. (Not surprising, honestly, as she watches at least three fan sites and is the most popular person on all of them.) I'd say give her time, and if I don't get a response in a couple days, I'll move up in the chain of command. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:33, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:That link above doesn't seem to work, Green Dragon, so I'll post her response below:

::The best source of information concerning use of our intellectual property or any Guild Wars asset is contained within our [http://www.guildwars.com/support/legal/termsofuse.php Terms of Use]. In that, we make it clear that Guild Wars sites using our art have certain implicit permissions, so that fansites are not required to ask permission each time they expand their pages. However, dndwiki is not a Guild Wars site. Therefore danddwiki must remove the image until such a time as they have written permission from '''ArenaNet''' to use the art. (Someone else cannot give that permission; permission must come from the owner of the IP and/or copyright.) Because the site in question is not a Guild Wars site, I would recommend that they use copyright-free art of some kind rather than using Guild Wars or other art specific to a certain property. --[[User:Gaile Gray|Gaile]] [[Image:User gaile_2.png| ]] 23:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

:Shame... We could submit a request to ArenaNet, as she says, but in the meantime we have to take it down. I am, however, glad that DancingZombies pointed it out so we could get it cleared up. Thanks for that. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 13:28, 27 May 2007 (MDT)

== Vandal ==

When 204.113.90.117 got done vandalizing this site, he moved on to WikiRPS as 204.113.186.166, deleting content. Recommend you block that one, too. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:51, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

:Done. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:01, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

::<nowiki/>*sigh* I remember vandals would insert some crude text or link instead of just deleting content. They were far more amusing then. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:03, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

:::You [[w:Expletive#.22Bad_language.22|$#()*$%!*#@$%)]]! You can't keep living in the [[w:Profanity|()@$#)@#$*%)*]] past. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 13:08, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

User talk:Blue Dragon

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== # of Edits ==

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::: What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? [[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Sorry about not having worked on this for awhile, I have been rather busy. It will eventually be done, sorry for the delay. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Don't worry about it, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. Besides, it's not as long a wait as some other coding things I've waited for ''';)''' I know how complex things can get when you get deep into coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:18, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Lol... I didn't quite mean it that way (I have been busy lately), but whatever. It is done now. A page may be marked with <code><nowiki>{{deletepage}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki></code>. Let me know if there are any problems. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:26, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Good job, but <nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki> is causing my sandbox to freeze up. It displays the message properly ("The delete page template has properly been added. Please purge this page to see the effects."), but now it seems to be locked in an endless cycle of trying to purge the cache. (From a layman's point of view, it would appear to be constantly refreshing the page "http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Armond/Sandbox&action=purge".) Going to Candidates for Deletion and clicking the link there also puts me into the cycle. I'm not sure if it shows up on CfD because of the reason argument or not (I put on just a plain deletepage tag at first and that worked perfectly, which might have caused it to show up on CfD, though I didn't check). Small coding bug somewhere? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::Hello Armond. The problem was that it added slashes to prevent SQL injection attacks '''before''' it replaced the template, so your <code>don't</code> was messing it up. The problem has been fixed, and let me know if anything else weird like that happens. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:46, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::This is awesome. Can you tell me how you did all of that, please? I'd like to implement something similar on PvXwiki. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 10:44, 25 May 2007 (MDT)

== Serberus, Thanks ==

Thanks for the info but I prefer to be a number ... call it a quirk.

:No problem ''':)'''. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:28, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

== SRD ==

What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are
*Badaxe games
*Natural 20 press
*Other D20 systems
*or only WOTC?

[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:"''The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast''" (WotC)([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Reference_Document 1]). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

==Category headings==
Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)]] to appear on [[SRD:Magic Items]] and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)|the page]] to look like

<nowiki>[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>

I ''think'' that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help.
--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes ''sense''. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
:...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I changed the [[SRD:Barbarian (Class)|Barbarian]] and it seems to not change anything on [[All Base Classes]] or [[SRD:Character Classes]], and, because nothing has changed, I wonder if this works with Dynamic Page Lists (DPL's) and namespaces. I would be more than happy to let you experiment on a couple SRD pages to see if something you could do would make this work. If you would like to try do some experimenting just let me know an I will unlock a couple pages... Also, do you have any idea why it would not be working? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:11, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Well, like I said, I do know a little wikicode but I'm not familiar with the dynamic page list code, so I don't know whether that sort of category sorting works with it. I'll look on some wikimedia help-page and find out how it works, since it seems pretty useful, and get back to you.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:04, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::::I left a message on the talk page for [http://semeb.com/dpldemo/index.php/Manual_-_DPL_parameters:_Controlling_output_order this], what seems to be the relevant page of the extension's own manual wiki; there's regular movement up to today on its recentchanges, so hopefully someone will notice.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]]-[[User talk:Mobius|Talk]] 21:09, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::It also maybe version sensitive. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:38, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

== Does this count? ==

[[Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)|Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)]]
[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 15:07, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-24T20:33:28Z

Armond: /* Scroll Image Thingy */

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-24T15:40:45Z

Armond: /* Scroll Image Thingy */

User talk:Armond

2007-05-24T15:25:42Z

Armond:

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==Welcome to D&D Wiki==

Hello {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to D&D Wiki! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like D&D Wiki and decide to stay. I am the owner of the site, and if you have a question feel free to ask me, however when contacting anyone on D&D Wiki through talk pages please sign your name using four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Also, if you want to help D&D Wiki but just don't know how [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new drop me a note] and I'll see what I can do. However, when dropping me a note please tell me how much time you would like to spend working and how well you know the Wiki Format. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a D&D Wikian! If you need help ask me on my talk page , or just right here. Again, welcome! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:03, 3 December 2006 (MST)

== Rating the PrC's ==

D&D Wiki has quite a bit of Prestige Classes, with only two having been rated on D&D Wiki's rating scale. So, on a small mission to try to get ratings of PrC's done, I would like you to help. All you would have to do is go to [[DnD Classes]] then to any PrC page. Click on the PrC you would like to rate; then rate its balance by clicking on the "here" in the ''Please, help D&D Wiki by rating the balance of this item '''here'''''. I hope you can take the time to help D&D Wiki become a useful tool for every visitor that comes here; and thanks in advance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:29, 29 November 2006 (MST)

== Signature ==

Hi, [[User talk:David Latapie#Your signature|Sledged answered your question]]. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 02:36, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:Thanks, got it. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:55, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

== Barnstar ==

{{Barnstar|I give you this Barnstar for getting rid of all the double redirects on D&D Wiki as of April 30th 2007. The double redirects were getting out of control with more than 500 present until Armond stepped up, took the initiative, and began to fix them, one by one. Thanks a ton! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:20, 30 April 2007 (MDT)}}

You know I couldn't have finished it without the sysop privileges you trusted me with. Thanks for that trust, GD! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 19:54, 30 April 2007 (MDT)

:(normally one puts barnstars on their user-page...) --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/L4s

2007-05-24T15:04:48Z

Armond: /* L4s */

== L4s ==

So early on with this, there was an issue with the visual layout of the headers in that the font size for the L4s weren't small enough to distinguish them from L3s through just casual scanning. (Additionally, I've had the same problem with L4s and L5s.) So all the L4s were bumped up to L3s, the L3s bumped up to L2s, and the L2s bumped up to L1s.

There are three problems with this:
* L4s are effectively useless. For the reasons expressed above, they would be omitted from all pages, not just the class pages.
* The way L1s are used goes against Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_%28headings%29 Manual of Style].
* Without the L4s, we're limited to only five levels of headers, and for the most part we try to mimic the layout in WotC sourcebooks. However, their headers have six different levels (Chapter 10: Magic in the PHB is a good example of all six levels):
*# Chapter titles: "Chapter 10: Magic."
*# "Casting Spells," "Spell Descriptions," "Arcane Spells," "Divine Spells," and "Special Abilities." Also, each class starts with this header.
*# Under Spell Descriptions, "Name," "School (Subschool)," "[Descriptor]," "Level," etc. Each skill and each feat use this header.
*# Under School (Subschool), "Abjuration," "Conjuration," "Divination," "Evocation," etc. This is the level for the "Class Features" header.
*# Under Conjuration, "Calling," "Creation," "Healing," "Summoning," and "Teleportation." Each individual class feature uses this header except subsets of class features (see next header).
*# Under Aiming a Spell > Effect, "Ray" and "Spread." All the sub-features under the rogue's "Special Abilities" class feature use this header.

My solution is to change the CSS so that the L4s can be distinguished from the L3s and L5s through casual scanning of the page, and knock all the L1s, L2s, and L3s back down again to L2s, L3s, and L4s. Change L4s to use the same font as L3s now use, change L3s to look like L2s, L2s to L1s, and have the font-size of L1s increased just enough to differentiate them from what the new L2s. I feel that now's to time to address this, otherwise we run the risk of having to change all the class pages all over again.

The change will help the site both adhere to wikipedia standards and mirror the layout of WotC sourcebooks without compromising the visual effects for which we're aiming. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:48, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:While I don't think that Wikipedia should be the bible of how to write a wiki, I think you make good points. I agree that we should change the CSS, but as someone said elsewhere, local formatting is ugly while styles are elegant. I think we should check them after the change to see that they're visually distinguishable as well as visually appealing.

:Not knowing enough about CSS and such, I don't know if this will have any other resounding effects on other pages, but I think we should check for that too if possible. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:50, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::I agree that eliminating a level of headers is unacceptable, and using L1's indiscriminately instead of L2's is also unacceptable. However, I don't like the idea of making L3's look like L2's, in that it would make it too difficult to distinguish major sections. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 11:54, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::As it stands now, do you find it difficult to distinguish L1 sections from L2 sections? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:25, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::Alternative suggestion: Use the default formatting for all the headers, except make L4 italic. This makes L4 easy to distinguish from both L3 & L5, without causing undue confustion. See [[Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/L4s/Italic|L4s/Italic]].

::I would actually prefer to italicize L3, instead, but that wouldn't help with L4 vs. L5. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 11:54, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

::It might also help to reduce the size of L4 by 1px. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 21:56, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Italic L4s is visually appealing and distinguishable. I'd have to see an example of 1px less to really make a decision on it, if you can do that. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 09:04, 24 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/L4s

2007-05-23T17:50:18Z

Armond:

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-23T17:32:19Z

Armond: /* Scroll Image Thingy */

User talk:Blue Dragon

2007-05-23T17:26:19Z

Armond: /* Mediawiki code stuff */

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== # of Edits ==

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::: What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? [[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Sorry about not having worked on this for awhile, I have been rather busy. It will eventually be done, sorry for the delay. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Don't worry about it, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. Besides, it's not as long a wait as some other coding things I've waited for ''';)''' I know how complex things can get when you get deep into coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:18, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Lol... I didn't quite mean it that way (I have been busy lately), but whatever. It is done now. A page may be marked with <code><nowiki>{{deletepage}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki></code>. Let me know if there are any problems. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:26, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Good job, but <nowiki>{{deletepage|reason}}</nowiki> is causing my sandbox to freeze up. It displays the message properly ("The delete page template has properly been added. Please purge this page to see the effects."), but now it seems to be locked in an endless cycle of trying to purge the cache. (From a layman's point of view, it would appear to be constantly refreshing the page "http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Armond/Sandbox&action=purge".) Going to Candidates for Deletion and clicking the link there also puts me into the cycle. I'm not sure if it shows up on CfD because of the reason argument or not (I put on just a plain deletepage tag at first and that worked perfectly, which might have caused it to show up on CfD, though I didn't check). Small coding bug somewhere? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 11:26, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

== Serberus, Thanks ==

Thanks for the info but I prefer to be a number ... call it a quirk.

:No problem ''':)'''. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:28, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

== SRD ==

What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are
*Badaxe games
*Natural 20 press
*Other D20 systems
*or only WOTC?

[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:"''The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast''" (WotC)([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Reference_Document 1]). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

==Category headings==
Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)]] to appear on [[SRD:Magic Items]] and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)|the page]] to look like

<nowiki>[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>

I ''think'' that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help.
--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes ''sense''. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
:...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I changed the [[SRD:Barbarian (Class)|Barbarian]] and it seems to not change anything on [[All Base Classes]] or [[SRD:Character Classes]], and, because nothing has changed, I wonder if this works with Dynamic Page Lists (DPL's) and namespaces. I would be more than happy to let you experiment on a couple SRD pages to see if something you could do would make this work. If you would like to try do some experimenting just let me know an I will unlock a couple pages... Also, do you have any idea why it would not be working? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:11, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Well, like I said, I do know a little wikicode but I'm not familiar with the dynamic page list code, so I don't know whether that sort of category sorting works with it. I'll look on some wikimedia help-page and find out how it works, since it seems pretty useful, and get back to you.--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:04, 23 May 2007 (MDT)

== Does this count? ==

[[Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)|Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)]]
[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 15:07, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

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== Talk Pages Enough? ==

I personally believe that D&D Wiki's talk pages are not enough i think that a fourm and/or a chat room/section would be much easier to communicate with each other i often come on and have no idea of what has been/is going on! i believe fourms would help reduce that problem! that way i do not have to go through every ones talk pages to learn what is going on! the chat room would help new pepole (n00bs) like me know which admins are on so we can ask them for direct help not having to post it on green dragons and others user pages to ask! That way it is fast and efficient! i also believe it would attract more users! --[[User:MeDieViL|MeDieViL]] 16:19, 26 February 2007 (MST)

:Well... Recent Changes with "my watchlist" is a good way to check if pages that you have edited have been changed. However, the idea of a "discussion area" is being proposed in [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Other => Discussion & Guidelines]]. You may want to voice your opinion their and say you would use a "discussion area". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 26 February 2007 (MST)

== Unregistered users ==

What are the pros & cons of allowing unregistered users to edit pages? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:46, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:'''Pros:''' They often help clean up language, spelling, etc. on pages; they often contribute to talk pages nicely; most everyone who visits the site starts as an unregistered user until they decide they like the site and join.
:'''Cons:''' They often vandalize pages; they often change people's pages in superfluous and, many times, in negative ways (adding broken grammar, corrupting a concept, etc.); they often start pages with a very minor amount of text and then never return to complete the project; they often have little or no knowledge of wiki, so we have to format their pages for them; they don't understand how we use categories, etc. in creating pages (though we have instituted preloads and template to make this as easy as possible); and, finally, they virtually never return periodically to engage in the polishing and cooperative process of idea improvement, which is a main goal of the wiki. Further, I personally dislike when the rate things, since they often do what I consider a rather shoddy job-- they often have no sense of how the balance system works or simply arbitrarily assign a balance with inadequate or plainly mistaken reasoning ([[Talk:Diplomat (DnD Prestige Class)|example]]).
:—[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:44, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::They allow people like myself to not have to click the "remember password" on the school computers. (I can be pretty bad at forgetting to log in at school.) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::Honestly, I see IPs are amazing, without them a wiki is not a wiki. To be honest most new content on D&D Wiki is added by IPs; albeit sometimes very very bad content that is either spam or not balanced. Also, they do have their problems, which I think EldritchNumen covered very well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::::I agree. A wiki is about total community involvement, and that sometimes means users will not always be extremely active or "regulars"; at the same time, that doesn't mean that their contributions are meaningless. Quite the contrary; as Green Dragon mentioned, the wiki is not a wiki if editing is restricted categorically based upon user status. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:15, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::::Okay, thanks. I'm still new to this paradigm. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== +Project? ==

Is there a place where we can post about a project we want to start? (Sorry, I should know this...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:48, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:What kind of project? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::Shoot. It had something to do with Sorcerer and Wizard spells and converting them to a proper format or something like that... I've forgotten for now. I'll remember eventually. But where should I put it when I remember? Would here work? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:02, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Is the project formatting all the spells on D&D Wiki to the correct format - or what? I am a little confused still. If it is just a TODO item it should be posted on [[D&D Wiki:Things to do]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::::I remember now. I'll post it there, thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:44, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::No problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:43, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

== Locked? ==

Should this include <nowiki>{{Admin_Locked_Page}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:18, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:I think that template would be obtrusive on the main page because the main page has so little content on it. It's a small page and I would not want to put a large template on it. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::No strong opinion. I see your point. I'm actually making the locked template less intrusive on [http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/WikiRPS:Site_support WikiRPS]. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Hm... I like it - I may implemet it here. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== Double redirects - celebrate! ==

As of this moment, we now officially have less than six hundred double redirects! Thanks to everyone who's worked on this, and hopefully we'll be rid of them all soon.

On a side note, how did we get all these? >.> I get the feeling sometime before I became active here a bunch of pages were moved at least twice.

I'm going back to flooding recent changes with redirect fixes now... [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:14, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Mainly the SRD was moved to it's own namespace and DnD Monsters was changed to DnD Creatures. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::We're down to 500 exactly, not including ones on Candidates for Deletion and the locked ones I've thrown on your talk page. Woot. And there's the bell :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

== Page Titles ==

I've been changing pages so that the first heading is only depth 1 (one equal sign). Then I remembered something I'd read, and looked it up in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing&oldid=55026298#Organizing_your_writing Wikipedia's documentation]:

:''Start with 2 equals signs not 1 because 1 creates H1 tags which should be reserved for page title.''

So, to follow the official guidelines, any of our pages that currently start at depth 1 should start at depth 2 instead. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:52, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:On D&D Wiki H1 titles are mainly used only to reiderate the title on a certain page; to separate the content from templates etc. H1 titles are not used how H2 titles are used, ever. D&D Wiki has it's own little styles and sometimes Wikipedias guidelines are not the best choice for this site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:48, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Downtime ==

I am sorry for the downtime that D&D Wiki experienced today. The log files were not rotating properly in MySQL and had grown to be too large. This problem will not happen again. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

: ''':)''' No problem. We were a little concerned, but these sorts of things do happen! Don't worry about it-- –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:14, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images ==

Wikpedia's [[w:WP:FU|fair use]] policy states:

:An editor uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia must provide a detailed [[w:WP:IDP#Fair use rationale|"fair use" rationale]], or the uploaded material will be [[w:WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia|deleted]].

I would recommend this site adopt a similar policy, possibly including procedures for [[w:WP:FU#Tagging for review|tagging for review]].

I would also recommend that we follow [[w:Wikipedia:Five pillars|Wikipedia's lead]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]] on the part of someone posting an image. Until proven otherwise, we should assume that someone posting copyrighted material was unaware of the issues involved. (Indeed, I didn't consider the issues, myself, until someone else brought them up.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:Currently, it works as you said above (like how Wikipedia handles it) it just is not written out. If you would like to make a page about Images and copyrights please go ahead—D&D Wiki needs one! However, if you do not it will just be something that people will slowly come to understand and they will hope that D&D Wiki treats images the same as Wikipedia. Anyway, right now there are so little images on this site it is not a bog problem or a big issue, however that could easily change... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wikia ==

Kindred spirits? http://dnd.wikia.com/ --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:20, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:That wiki is older and very inactive (See RC and [http://dnd.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics stats]). Anyway, there content is not quite on the same levels as D&D Wiki, in my opinion (I know, I am biased). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::"There are 120,707 registered users..." That's impressive. You're right, they're not nearly as well developed, but I figured it would at least be a good source of GFPL material. I just copied over: images.wikia.com/dnd/images//7/75/Gold_piece.jpg. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:23, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::The reason they have so many users is because the users are the same throught the wikia wiki's. It's not that impressive as most of the users on the userlist have never seen that site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Ah, and here I thought it was a bug, when it was really a feature. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images available ==

[[Image:sai.png|thumb|right|Sai]]
I've uploaded a bunch of [[w:free content|free content]] images to [[wikirps:|WikiRPS]], and will be loading a bunch more. You can see what I've loaded so far by going to [[wikirps:Category:Weapon]] and scrolling to the bottom. <s>Once the image appears to the right of this paragraph, you'll know that Blue Dragon has set up image sharing.</s> –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 14:37, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

:Good work. Link to them as appropriate, and thanks for finding them all ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I have added the proper links. One question for the users of this wiki: Do you want me to create media.dandwiki.com and have all non-existing images point to there? There can only be one wiki which every wiki looks to for missing images, and I feel that media.dandwiki.com would be more appropriate than both wikis linking to each other. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:02, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I think that should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:38, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Not knowing much about it, I'm neutral. If it has advantages, go for it; if not, then don't. That's my two cents. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:26, 4 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::I'm not sure what you mean by ''non-existing images'' -- newly created images? -- but I like the idea of a central image repository. Thanks for thinking of this. Oh, wait, I get it. The link would look first on the local wiki, and only if it's not there, then it would look on media.dandwiki.com. I still like the idea, but I would hope SOP would be to upload all images to media.dandwiki.com, unless you can think of a drawback to this. (I can't.)

:::::Would it be possible to write a bot that moves all existing images from both sites over to media.dandwiki.com? That should be seamless with regard to pages that link them, right? We'd have to have a policy for collisions. Perhaps move all images from D&D Wiki, and then move all images from WikiRPS that don't duplicate an existing name. I'd be happy to review the remaining images. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:14, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::I moved them over, but I forgot to mention that there were two collisions. One was Padlock.png, and the other was Dirk.something. I looked the files over, and the both looked the same, so I just went ahead with the D&D Wiki version. There are backups of everything, so let me know if one of them is an outdated version. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I'm surprised there weren't more collisions.
:::::::I copied [[:Image:Padlock.png]] from D&D Wiki, so it makes sense the two copies would be the same. [[:Image:Dirk.png]] is the one I uploaded, so if there's a problem, it'll be on the D&D Wiki side, unless it's a different file you saw.
:::::::Thanks a lot for doing all this. [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] 22:40, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

== MediaWiki updated ==

I have recently upgraded this site to MW 1.10.0. As with all updates, this may cause problems. Please let me know if any arise. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:32, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

:Recent changed on 500 gives "''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 2 seconds exceeded in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/includes/Linker.php on line 71''". Also, all NPCs do not work (timeout). You should keep a log of the problems that arise with each update and ''fix them every update'' because this has been fixed many many times now. You could have just looked at old updates to see what had to be fixed then and do those before finishing the update. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, those have been fixed. You are correct -- I keep on forgetting that it is set to two by default. That might not need to be enabled anymore seeing that was code optimization for D&D Wiki on the old server. If you want, I can do a few test runs without it. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:57, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Is this the update that made diff pages change from the red text for changed content to the strikethroughs and underlines? Cause I kinda hate it, I dunno about you guys though... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

::::It is. –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:57, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Seeing that this update came from MediaWiki it would be a pain to hack it together so it goes red again... Also, even though it looks uglier, I think it is easier to use and becomes more useful. Personally, I have come to like it for it usefulness. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:43, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::''[http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/degustibusno.html De gustibus non est disputandum.]'' –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 08:40, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I have to ask how long it takes people to find the differences [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Sledged&curid=7446&diff=100569&oldid=100568 here]. Took me quite a while. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Hello Armond. I understand your point, I really do—however, there is another factor which should be considered. Both me and Green Dragon are red-green colorblind, and so it was very difficult with the old system to view the changes. I do realize that some of the changes are incredibly difficult to view, such as the one that you pointed out, but overall I believe it makes it easier for all people. I would be willing to hack back the old version depending on what the community wants, however. If this is a large enough issue, it should be put to the vote. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::In that case, I think it should stay as it is now. (I feel like an idiot, forgetting about colorblindness. Sorry...) However, I think it would be nicer if we had some sort of color distinguation - my mother tells me that her colorblind co-worker can see red-yellow just fine, so what if we kept the red-yellow and changed the green background to something else? I don't really know what to suggest (blue? purple? orange?), but I'm sure what works for our two top editors will be fine. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I wouldn't mind seeing both types of differentiation. The only thing I didn't like about the previous way was that you couldn't see changes in white space. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::The perfect solution (for all but Blue Dragon because he would most likely code it) would be to make a preference in "user-preferences" that would let one choose their style of diff's (color-coded or strikethroughs and lines). How does this idea sound? Would anyone use it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::In my experience it's nice to have a perfect solution, but it's always worth having a couple backup solutions because you're not overly likely to get the perfect one. I do think that sounds like a good idea (I would certainly use it, and I can see how others would use it too), but I think a couple backup ideas should be considered just in case. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What do you mean by backup? Also, should it be an option for the user to choose the color choices for an edit diff (so, no static colors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:38, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::Well, suppose Blue Dragon can't code it, for whatever reason. What do we do from there? I'd like to have a plan. As for color choices, that could be helpful if it can be implemented. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:22, 21 May 2007 (MDT)

== New Stat Block ==

I've created a new stat block to replace the old. The new one loads faster, allows for deity stats, and has a new system for statting out spellcasting, manifesting, invocation-using, utterances, stances, mysteries, etc. [[Bellinor Fenjornic (DnD NPC)]] is my demo for the new stat block. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:53, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:How did you get it to load so much faster? That is hands down the most useful thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::Extensive research over at [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta-Wiki] involving the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function parser functions] and the [[Template:x0|null template]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

== News ==

Does the new template look better than the old table? Also, are the colors bad or really bad and could someone please figure out some better colors? Finally, how should [[Template:News]] be organized? Oh, BTW, thanks to [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Main_Page PvXwiki] for the image and general idea (even though this one is not as well implemented with the inclusion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:11, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Scroll Image Thingy ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that scroll in the News area on the home page looks suspiciously like a Superior Dervish Rune found in the Guild Wars games. I could confirm this if necessary, but I'd like to know where the person who uploaded it got it. I'm still quite certain thats from Guild Wars, and if so, it's copyrighted. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 19:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:GD mentions above that it's from PvXwiki. I believe that's one of the pictures that ArenaNet made for general use. I will check with Gcardinal of PvXwiki, who made the site and likely knows where the picture is from. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:For reference: [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Image:Hp_news.png] [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gcardinal#Image:Hp_news.png] --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:57, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:Gcardinal is the site's founder and leader, by the way. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 15:23, 21 May 2007 (MDT)
::Good news - as per the second link there, we can keep the scroll. It's a darn nice scroll too :D --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 19:01, 22 May 2007 (MDT)

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Candidates for Deletion

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'''Please post below this line a page that you would want to have deleted. An admin will look it over, and delete it if necessary.'''

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==Pending Requests==

Also, see also all articles in [[:Category:Candidates for deletion]]
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==Recent Deletions==
*<s>Ikki (DnD Campaign Setting)</s> - No content whatsoever, so should be deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 19:11, 16 February 2007 (MST)

:*See [[Talk:Ikki (DnD Campaign Setting)]] --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:41, 16 February 2007 (MST)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:26, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

* <s>Image:SiegfriedArtwork.gif</s>: This is a copyrighted image from http://www.soularchive.jp/, whose [http://www.soularchive.jp/terms-e.html Terms of Use] deny permission to copy graphics. {{Unsigned|Cuthalion|20:07, 21 April 2007 (MDT)}}

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:46, 22 April 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Image:Gold piece.gif</s> - See <s>Image talk:Gold piece.gif</s> --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:00, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:33, 21 April 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Template:Example</s> - I meant to create this on [[wikirps:Template:Example|WikiRPS]]. Sorry. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 17:56, 13 April 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:22, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

*<s>+1d6 caster level fore every arcane spell(DnD Character Optimization), +1d6 caster level fore every arcane spell (DnD Character Optimization) (replaced bad spelling with proper page name), Young Hero of Time (DnD NPC Class), Talk:Young Hero of Time (DnD NPC Class) (not an NPC class), Organizations (The Twelve Swords Supplemnt) (misspelling), Random Nation Country Rules (DnD Variant rules), Random Nation Country Rules (DnD Variant rules) (someone mistyped move page), Hellfire and shadow Dragon (DnD Monster), Talk:Hellfire and shadow Dragon (DnD Monster), Talk:Hellfire and shadow Dragon (DnD Creature), Hellfire and shadow Dragon (DnD Creature) (has new name and those have capitalization mistakes), The Sword of Dispair (DnD Equipment) (typo).</s> Thanks for clearing out [[Special:Doubleredirects]]. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:18, 10 April 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:22, 10 April 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Nations (Twelve Swords Supplement)</s> - I have combined the content of this page with another, so this page is no longer needed. Delete Request by --[[User:EaTCarbS|EaTCarbS]] 13:10, 4 April 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 5 April 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Brawler (DnD Class), Druid Variant: Exorcist (DnD Class), Liberator (DnD Class), Maverick (DnD Class)</s> -- Please delete these, '''''now''''', flame censored by author --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:13, 23 March 2007 (MDT)

:*You have made worthwhile contributions in good faith, however I cannot delete all of these yet. I deleted "Maverick (DnD Class)" because nothing linked to that page except this page and [[User Base Classes with Descriptions]] - which are both insignificant links. However, and before I can delete the other classes, please get rid of all the links to them via the "What links here" function. Once nothing links to them I can delete them without creating red links all over D&D Wiki. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:55, 23 March 2007 (MDT)

::* Deleted all links to Brawler except "User Base Classes...". BTW, why are these being deleted? --[[User:Pwsnafu|Pwsnafu]] 18:06, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

:::* I am deleting these is because the author asked for them to be deleted — I think fulfilling a authors request is reason enough (no reason to not grant authors wishes ''':)'''). Anyway, some of these still need to have their links removed so they can be deleted... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

::::: I asked (or rather, demanded) to have these deleted because I was ticked at seeing banners on my work saying what a terrible job I had done. Thank you for honoring my request. Once the current [[Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)|standards discussion]] settles on conclusions, I'll be happy to put them back. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 18:21, 12 April 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Druid Protector (DnD Class), Druid Variant: Protector (DnD Class), Druid Exorcist, Liberator, Paladin Variant: Liberator (DnD Class)</s> - Deleted all links to Exorcist & Liberator. Candidates for deletion (redirects). BTW, when I removed links to Exorist from [[Talk:User Base Classes with Descriptions]], I had "Deletion Pending" in the Summary. Ignore that. --[[User:Pwsnafu|Pwsnafu]] 18:24, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Fighter Variant: Brawler (DnD Class), Brawler</s> - Redirects that need to be deleted (made them no longer function). --[[User:Pwsnafu|Pwsnafu]] 18:06, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Master Innitiative (D&D Fighter Feat), Talk:Selkan (DnDRace), Talk:Selkan (Dnd Race), Selkan (Dnd Race), Selkan (DnDRace), Master Innitiative (DnD Fighter Feat), Mercies Wrath (DnD SPell), Mercies Wrath (DnD Spell), Talk:Mercies Wrath (DnD SPell), Talk:Mercies Wrath (DnD Spell), Die Hard (SRD Feat), Overwhelming Critical(SRD Epic Feat)</s> - Misspellings found. <s>Psion Uncarnate (SRD Creature), Metamind (SRD Creature), Elocater (SRD Creature), Cerebremancer (SRD Creature)</s> - PrCs are not creatures. <s>Gold (SRD Creature), Babu (SRD Creature), Ogrillon (DnD Monster), Baller In Darkness (SRD Creature), Talk:Dragon, Base (DnD Monster), Thrild Swarm (DnD Monster), Creating A Pseudonatural Creature (SRD Epic Creature)</s> - Misspelled creature names. <s>Spike Armor (SRD Weapon), Hamemr, Gnome Hooked (SRD Weapon)</s> - Misspelled item name. <s>Talk:The Simbul's Spell Conjunction (DnD Spell), The Simbul's Spell Conjunction (DnD Spell)</s> - Copyright violation. -[[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:08, 20 March 2007 (MDT)

:*I deleted all the ones that have nothing linking to them. The blue ones need to be fixed (the links need to be linked to the correct location). Use "What Links Here" to find what links to the redirect in question. When you have fixed the links I will go ahead and finish deleting these. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:03, 20 March 2007 (MDT)

::*[[Dragon, True (SRD Creature)]] is locked, so I can't fix [[Gold (SRD Creature)]]. The rest are fixed. (Don't delete [[Special:DoubleRedirects]], though :P) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 08:49, 21 March 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 21 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>User:Armond/Assassin (DnD Class) and User:Armond/Deadly Assassin (DnD Class)</s>; name went through a bit of loop-de-loops before I decided on a final name. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:00, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

:Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 17:02, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>HALFLINGS (SRD Race), HUMANS (SRD Race), Wilder (SRD Creature), Treant,elder (SRD Epic Creature), Universal Solven (SRD Wondrous Item), Turn of Rebuke Undead (SRD Rules), Titan,elder (SRD Epic Creature), Thrallherd (SRD Creature), Tanglefood Bag (SRD Equipment), Steamp Mephit (SRD Creature), Soulknife (SRD Creature), Slayer (SRD Creature), Sharp-Shooting (SRD Divine Feat)</s> --[[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:25, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:*And the reason for deletion is...? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:43, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::*Misspelled double redirects. There's also a few classes listed as creatures. Note "TanglefooD Bag", "Universal Solven" (without a t), "Turn OF Rebuke Undead"... Little maintenance things like that. I've checked a couple of the "whatlinkshere" pages, and they're usually linked to by locked SRD pages. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 08:52, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

::Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:26, 15 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Knight</s> and <s>Knight (DnD Class)</s> both redirect to [[Cavalier (DnD Class)]]. Should these be deleted so one could make a Knight class later? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 08:55, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:41, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Blinding(SRD Armor Enhancement)</s> & <s>Skills I (MSRD)</s> Yet another typo in page making. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 22:03, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

::Deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Broomstick (misspelled feat name), HALF-ELVES (SRD Race), HALF-ORCS (SRD Race), GNOMES (SRD Race), Forgery (SRD Skill)f, ELVES (SRD Race), DWARVES (SRD Race), Character Classes I (SRD) (unless that one's somewhat useful for some reason that I don't know about), Blinding(SRD Magic Armor Enhancement).</s> I'm gonna stop scanning the double redirects page now, please delete as many as possible. (Note these are all simply redirects to a redirect to the proper page.).

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:20, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Board, Dire (SRD Creature), United States Colonial Marine Corps (Weapons/Armor/Equipment) and United States Colonial Marine Corps (D20 Modern Weapons/Armor/Equipment) as noone's going to type all that out when they're used to typing (D20 Equipment), The Clenched Fist of the Six-Fingered Hand (D20 Modern Monster CR 13) (combines two incorrect ways of naming a page...), Vengeful Magic Missile (Sor/Wiz 3 - D&D Spell)</s> (see previous).

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:15, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Ember (terminology), Redgar (terminology), Krusk (terminology)</s> - These are proper names of NPCs found in the Player's Handbook and mentioned in other works which contain no OGC, so they are neither SRD nor OGC and should be removed from the wiki. --[[User:Rakankou|Rakankou]] 18:01, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:11, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

*<s>Half-life</s> - this page is unnecessary. The one active link on it can be reached through [[DnD Creatures]]. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 19:28, 16 February 2007 (MST)
:*This page also has nothing linking to it. I would highly suggest it to be removed as well. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:33, 16 February 2007 (MST)

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:49, 8 March 2007 (MST)

*<s>User D20M NPC Classes</s> - This is not needed; there are no NPC classes in D20M. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 19:27, 16 February 2007 (MST)

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:47, 8 March 2007 (MST)

*<s>User D20M NPC Classes by Type</s> - See above. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 19:27, 16 February 2007 (MST)
:*I feel that these should stay as they are to let people understand that they can '''create''' the pages if they wish to. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:41, 16 February 2007 (MST)
::*I feel you misunderstand. There are '''''no''''' NPC classes in D20 modern. The equivalent are called "ordinaries" and they are formed in a different way. There literally is not room for NPC classes. It would be entirely redundant and a misuse of the system to create some. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:21, 16 February 2007 (MST)

::Deleted. [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:47, 8 March 2007 (MST)

*<s>Ancient Deities (Hellas Supplement)</s> - The page is obsolete. The page being used instead is [[Deities (Hellas Supplement)]]. (This is one of my pages that I accidentally created). --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 12:06, 2 February 2007 (MST)

::Deleted --[[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 12:25, 2 February 2007 (MST)

*<s>Highest</s> - Obsolete redirect. I changed all the pages to redirect to the correct page ([[Highest (Carallion Supplement)]]). --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 17:45, 1 February 2007 (MST)

::Deleted. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:59, 1 February 2007 (MST)

* <s>Dark Pope of the Final Church (D20 Modern Monster CR 11)</s> because it is a poorly named double of the [[Dark Pope of the Final Church (D20 Modern Monster)]] page. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 15:16, 18 December 2006 (MST)

::There are several others like this (with CR in the name, where it shouldn't be-- not good for standards); I'll list them all here later today or tomorrow when I get time (there are about 8 more that will also need the boot. The pages are all backed up and linked; the pages with cr in the name are now obsolete). --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 15:31, 18 December 2006 (MST)

:::Done & okay with leaving them here later. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:02, 18 December 2006 (MST)

* <s>MyClass (DnD Class)</s> - This pages needs to be deleted because it is a direct copyright violation. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 16:29, 9 December 2006 (MST)

::Done. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 9 December 2006 (MST)

* <s>Thiefling Character options</s> - This pages needs to be deleted because I missed something in changing the title, created another title, and as a result made a double redirect. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 04:13, 7 December 2006 (MST)

::Done. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 07:06, 7 December 2006 (MST)

* <s>IP address</s> - Nothing links to it. If needed users can link directly to Wikipedia. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 15:00, 6 December 2006 (MST)
::Except this page ;). It's now gone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:56, 6 December 2006 (MST)

*<s>Talk:Nerul's Shit Spray (DnD Spell or Power)</s> - the talk page needs to go just like the article. -[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:44, 5 December 2006 (MST)

::I will delete it once the discussion has resolved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 5 December 2006 (MST)

:::Done. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:15, 5 December 2006 (MST)
*<s>Death Attacks (Evaluation SRD)</s> - This pages needs to be deleted because it appears to be an obsolete redirect that is doubled. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 05:33, 6 November 2006 (MST). Deleted by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 07:57, 6 November 2006 (MST).

*<s>Vargas (Colossal+ weaponry) (DnD Character Optimization)</s>- This pages needs to be deleted because it appears to be an obsolete redirect that is doubled. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 05:33, 6 November 2006 (MST) Deleted by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 07:57, 6 November 2006 (MST).

*<s>Talk:Vargas (Colossal+ weaponry) (DnD Character Optimization)</s> - This pages needs to be deleted because it appears to be an obsolete redirect that is doubled. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 05:33, 6 November 2006 (MST) Deleted by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 07:57, 6 November 2006 (MST).

*<s>Parlour Tricks(DnD Special and Magical Feat)</s> - This pages needs to be deleted because it appears to be an obsolete redirect that is doubled. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 05:33, 6 November 2006 (MST) Deleted by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 07:57, 6 November 2006 (MST).

* <strike>Category:DnD Classes, Prestige</strike> and <strike>Category:DnD User Classes, Prestige</strike> - because [[:Category:Prestige Class]] and [[User Prestige Classes]] already fill these roles. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 14:01, 5 October 2006 (MDT)
* <strike>Talk:Additional B'er'den Feats (DnD Feats) - The page was deleted but its talk page is still there. I'm guessing the same is true for many of the other pages that have been deleted. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 14:36, 18 August 2006 (MDT)
* Rythmic Devourer (DnD Monster)</strike> Looks like it was meant to be added as a candidate a while ago. --[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 11:31, 31 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>(See '''[[Talk:Oneiros/Categories]]''' for discussion of the following deletes:)
**Category: Age of Titans - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Carallion - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Desperado Desert - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Eiren, The Middle Lands - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Land of Eritun - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Land of Everlasting Winter - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Lands of Blamakar - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Realm of Vemyn - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Sewer Rats - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Thammun-Ra Desert - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Thyllors: Murkwall - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: White Angel - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)
**Category: Wikiworld - Added "Setting" to new category name for clarity - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:23, 28 July 2006 (MDT)</strike> – '''All deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]'''
*<strike>Category:Campaign Setting</strike> - Simplified to just [[:Category:Setting]] - [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:09, 27 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>Template:GreenTable</strike> - Was suppose to be User subpage. - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 12:49, 27 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>Category:Gargatuan</strike> - Because I have an English degree and I still can't type - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:05, 26 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>Category:Terms</strike> - Not following my own guidelines on singular names - converted to [[:Category:Term]] - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 11:16, 26 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>Category:Rules</strike> - Ditto. Converted to [[:Category:Rule]] - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 11:16, 26 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>DnD Tremors Movies and self-made</strike> - Converted to Category - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:04, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>DnD Darwin IV - Alien Planet Beasts</strike> - Converted to Category - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:04, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>DnD Evolution</strike> - Converted to Category - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:04, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>DnD Aliens</strike> - Converted to Category - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:04, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>DnD Half-Life</strike> - Converted to Category - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 14:04, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
*<strike>Category:Movie Conversion</strike> - Making [[:Category:Conversion|Conversion]] and [[:Category:Movie|Movie]] separate categories - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 13:03, 25 July 2006 – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
* <strike>Category:CR1\6</strike> - Because I don't know how to work a forward slash... - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 09:55, 25 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]] – '''Note: Forward slashes are not recommended, but can be accessed by escaping the encoding (two forward slashes in a row).'''
* <strike>Category:Inhumans</strike> - Dupe of [[:Category:Inhuman]] (trying to keep new Cat. names singular) - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:47, 24 July 2006 – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
* <strike>User Race Group</strike> - Blank copy of [[User Race Groups]] (opposite problem from above) - Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 23:15, 24 July 2006 (MDT) – Deleted by [[User:Blue Dragon]]
* <strike>Archer (DnD Class) </strike> - Deletion request by creator/ZeroTakenaka
* <strike>Dragonwarrior (DnD Prestige Class) </strike> - Deletion request by creator/ZeroTakenaka
* <strike>DnD Divine Feats, Epic</strike> - This page seems too redundant. There's already an "Epic Feats" page and a "Divine Feats" page. - Delete request by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 21:22, 12 July 2006 (MDT)
* <strike>DnD Least Legacy Feats, DnD Lesser Legacy Feats, and DnD Greater Legacy Feats</strike> - No need for this level of granularity, since all Legacy feats can be and are all listed on the [[DnD Legacy Feats]] page. - Delete requested by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 21:22, 12 July 2006 (MDT)
* <strike>B'er'den, Curled (DnD Race)</strike> Not a separate race from [[B'er'den (DnD Race)]]. See that race for further comments ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>Additional B'er'den Feats (DnD Feats)</strike> The feats on the page have been broken out to their own and categorized properly ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>DnD Race Groups</strike> Page has been turned into a category. See [[:Category:DnD Race Groups]] for more details ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>Catgirls (DnD Race Group)</strike> Page has been turned into a category. See [[:Category:Catgirl Race Group]] ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>Inhumans (DnD Race Group)</strike> Page has been turned into a category. See [[:Category:Inhumans Race Group]] ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>Moogles (DnD Race Group)</strike> Page has been turned into a category. See [[:Category:Moogle Race Group]] ''-Delete request by [[User:Oneiros|Oneiros]] 07:32, 13 July 2006 (MDT)''
* <strike>New</strike> - Looks like this was meant to be a user page. Please wait till user has placed information elsewhere before deletion, please. - Delete request by [[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 05:37, 28 November 2006 (MST)
:* Page not deleted; all it needed was to be moved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:39, 30 November 2006 (MST)
::* Page deleted because the title was not specific, and is not going to be referenced by anything. It is better to keep a title as non specific as "New" off of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:32, 16 February 2007 (MST)

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==Candidates for Deletion that were not Deleted==

*[[Twelve Swords (DnD Campaign Setting)]] - I'm no longer working on it, so theres no reason to keep it. --[[User:EaTCarbS|EaTCarbS]] 18:19, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Should it just be made a stub and your name be taken off? I feel like it is such a waste to lose content... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:36, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:: I agree. It's got some good content and maybe someone will take up the torch one day to complete it. Plus, you have lots of cool weapons for it, so it does seem like a waste to just delete it all. -- [[User:Flession|Flession]] 17:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:::That would work for me. I just dont have the time to work on it. If someone else wants to do it, then thats fine--[[User:EaTCarbS|EaTCarbS]] 16:07, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

* [[Ring of sustanance (DnD Equipment)]] - Already exists in the SRD - Delete request by [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:43, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:*See [[Talk:Ring of Sustenance, Greater (DnD Equipment)]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

* [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Other)]] - This pages needs to be deleted because it has been merged with the new Help page [[Help:Standards and Formatting|Standards and Formatting]]. - Delete request by --[[User:Xenophon|Xenophon]] 12:48, 30 November 2006 (MST)

:* I'd actually recommend keeping the page seperate and creating a new page title "Standards and Guidelines" linked from the [[Dungeons and Dragons|DnD page]]. The "Standards and Guidelines" page would contain links to [[Help:Standards and Formatting]], [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Other)]], and [[Character Class Design Guidelines (DnD Other)]], and I'm sure there will be others who will come along with their own proposed guidelines, too. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 16:48, 30 November 2006 (MST)

::* I actually merged the [[When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Other)]] into the [[Help:Standards and Formatting]] by use of <nowiki>{{:When to Italicize and Capitalize (DnD Other)}}</nowiki>. This page will not be deleted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:39, 30 November 2006 (MST)

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User talk:Blue Dragon

2007-05-21T02:18:52Z

Armond: /* Mediawiki code stuff */

==MOI==

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== # of Edits ==

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::: What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? [[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Sorry about not having worked on this for awhile, I have been rather busy. It will eventually be done, sorry for the delay. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 10:57, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Don't worry about it, I'm sure you're doing the best you can. Besides, it's not as long a wait as some other coding things I've waited for ''';)''' I know how complex things can get when you get deep into coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:18, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

== Serberus, Thanks ==

Thanks for the info but I prefer to be a number ... call it a quirk.

== SRD ==

What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are
*Badaxe games
*Natural 20 press
*Other D20 systems
*or only WOTC?

[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:"''The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast''" (WotC)([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Reference_Document 1]). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

==Category headings==
Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)]] to appear on [[SRD:Magic Items]] and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)|the page]] to look like

<nowiki>[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>

I ''think'' that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help.
--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes ''sense''. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
:...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I changed the [[SRD:Barbarian (Class)|Barbarian]] and it seems to not change anything on [[All Base Classes]] or [[SRD:Character Classes]], and, because nothing has changed, I wonder if this works with Dynamic Page Lists (DPL's) and namespaces. I would be more than happy to let you experiment on a couple SRD pages to see if something you could do would make this work. If you would like to try do some experimenting just let me know an I will unlock a couple pages... Also, do you have any idea why it would not be working? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:11, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

== Does this count? ==

[[Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)|Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)]]
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2007-05-20T06:12:04Z

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== Your NPC Classes and NPC's ==

Recently I made the page [[User NPC Classes with Descriptions]], making each NPC Class need not only in the right category, but also added to this page. As I was looking over your recent NPC Class contributions I noticed none of them were on this page, and I decided you would rather add them [[User NPC Classes with Descriptions]] than have me do it. So, all your new NPC classes should be added to this page. Also, each NPC you make should be added to [[DnD NPC's]] as it has not been converted over to the new method of just using categories for organisation. Thanks so much, and I also hope you NPC Classes are in the right categories ([[:Category:Combat-Focused]], [[:Category:Bad Guy]], [[:Category:Good Guy]], [[:Category:Strong Spellcasting]], where applicable.). Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 12 November 2006 (MST)

== Rating the PrC's ==

D&D Wiki has quite a bit of Prestige Classes, with only two having been rated on D&D Wiki's rating scale. So, on a small mission to try to get ratings of PrC's done, I would like you to help. All you would have to do is go to [[DnD Classes]] then to any PrC page. Click on the PrC you would like to rate; then rate its balance by clicking on the "here" in the ''Please, help D&D Wiki by rating the balance of this item '''here'''''. I hope you can take the time to help D&D Wiki become a useful tool for every visitor that comes here; and thanks in advance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:29, 29 November 2006 (MST)

== SRD Editing Only ==

Hello. Recently, I was thinking that it might be a good idea to make a new level of power on D&D Wiki. Above ''Sysop'' would be something like ''SRD Editor'', and this would include the people that understand the SRD well enough to make changes without violating copyrights, etc. The 3 (possible 4...) people that would be in this group would be Me, You, and Sledged (Possibly Blue Dragon if he wants to be part of this group). Is this a good idea, or not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:Let me think about that. My gut says that it should be a separate editorship from admin. From SRD editorship, you get the ability to edit the SRD (but not move pags). From Admin, you get the ability to move pages.

::The reason I am saying this is because I would not (to be brutally honest) trust Pz.Az.0Maus, editing the SRD in any way. People like that, that for some reason become admins (I know, I know, my fault), seem not to understand the problems with wierd edits to the SRD. Just to give my reasons for this idea... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:16, 12 December 2006 (MST)

:::Protecting the SRD is good. So is getting help with it. In that, I'm conflicted. Run the thought past the other folks. We'll see if there's a consensus. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 20:20, 12 December 2006 (MST)

::::Okay, I will after the adminship candidates are over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:19, 12 December 2006 (MST)

== Mithral Shirt ==

The cost for a [[Mithral Shirt (SRD Magic Armor)|mithral shirt]] and the cost for a [[Chain Shirt (SRD Armor)|chain shirt]] with the mithral enhancement do not match. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 23:21, 22 December 2006 (MST)

:All that math needs checking. I'll put that on my to-do list. If you see any numbers that a wrong, please just correct and post errata on the discussion page. If you see a pattern of mistakes, you can fix the pattern (and alert me to the mistake), or just bop the error over to me. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 11:03, 23 December 2006 (MST)

== Weapon Description Pages ==

So I've been working on a layout to include more size-related information on the weapon description pages, and this is what I have so far (the base weapon is the [[Gauntlet (SRD Weapon)|gauntlet]]):

{| class="d20"
|-
| colspan="4" style="border: none;" |
{| class="d20 dragon monstats"
|-
! Critical:
| x2
|-
! Range Increment:
| —
|-
! Type:
| Bludgeoning
|}
|-
! Size || Cost || Damage || Weight
|-
| Fine || * || — || 1/16 lb.
|- class="even"
| Diminuative || * || — || 1/8 lb.
|-
| Tiny || * || 1 || 1/4 lb.
|- class="even"
| Small || 2 gp || 1d2 || 1/2 lb.
|-
| Medium || 2 gp || 1d3 || 1 lb.
|- class="even"
| Large || 4 gp || 1d4 || 2 lbs.
|-
| Huge || * || 1d6 || 4 lbs.
|- class="even"
| Gargantuan || * || 1d8 || 8 lbs.
|-
| Collossal || * || 2d6 || 16 lbs.
|-
| colspan="4" | * The SRD gives neither this value nor a means to determine it.
|}

What do you think? I'm considering making it into a template for user submitted weapons. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:24, 28 December 2006 (MST)

:Terrific. I was going to ask you to make a template. No need! Here's a few things that we could do:

:{| class="d20"
|-
! align="left" | Weapon !! Cost !! Damage !! align="left" | Enhancement !! Cost !! align="left" | Benefit
|-
| align="left" | Small || 1 cp || 1d2 || align="left" | Alchemical Silver || 10 gp || align="left" | -1 damage, weapon is silvered
|-
| align="left" | Medium || 2 cp || 1d3 || align="left" | Darkwood || 15 gp || align="left" | halve weight
|}

:Alternatively, we could put enhancements on a different table (with more appropriate formatting than this).

:{| class="d20" style="text-align: left"
|-
! !! Small !! Medium !! Large !! Benefit
|-
| Adamantine || 2 gp || 8 gp || 30 gp || Ignore DR
|-
| Mithril || 1 gp || 5 gp || 10 gp || Halve weight
|-
| +1 || 2,000 gp || 2,001 gp || 2005 gp || +1 to hit and damage
|}

:--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 14:24, 28 December 2006 (MST)

::How about this:

::{| class="d20" style="white-space: nowrap;"
|+ Enhancement Costs
|-
! || Steel || [[Adamantine (SRD Term)|Adamantine]] || [[Alchemical Silver (SRD Term)|Alchemical Silver]] || [[Cold Iron (SRD Term)|Cold Iron]] || [[Crystal, Deep (SRD Term)|Crystal, Deep]] || [[Crystal, Mundane (SRD Term)|Crystal, Mundane]] || [[Mithral (SRD Term)|Mithral]]
|-
| Average || 2 gp || — || 22 gp || 4 gp || — || — || —
|- class="even"
| Masterwork || 302 gp || 3,002 gp || 322 gp || 304 gp || 1,002 gp || 302 gp || 502 gp
|-
| +1 || 2,302 gp || 5,002 gp || 2,322 gp || 4,304 gp || 3,002 gp || 2,302 gp || 2,502 gp
|- class="even"
| +2 || 8,302 gp || 11,002 gp || 8,322 gp || 10,304 gp || 9,002 gp || 8,302 gp || 8,502 gp
|-
| +3 || 18,302 gp || 21,002 gp || 18,322 gp || 20,304 gp || 19,002 gp || 18,302 gp || 18,502 gp
|- class="even"
| +4 || 32,302 gp || 35,002 gp || 32,322 gp || 34,304 gp || 33,002 gp || 32,302 gp || 32,502 gp
|-
| +5 || 50,302 gp || 53,002 gp || 50,322 gp || 52,304 gp || 51,002 gp || 50,302 gp || 50,502 gp
|- class="even"
| +6* || 72,302 gp (720,302 gp) || 75,002 gp (723,002 gp) || 72,322 gp (720,322 gp) || 74,304 gp (722,304 gp) || 73,002 gp (721,002 gp) || 72,302 gp (720,302 gp) || 72,502 gp (720,502 gp)
|-
| +7* || 98,302 gp (980,302 gp) || 101,002 gp (983,002 gp) || 98,322 gp (980,322 gp) || 100,304 gp (982,304 gp) || 99,002 gp (981,002 gp) || 98,302 gp (980,302 gp) || 98,502 gp (980,502 gp)
|- class="even"
| +8* || 128,302 gp (1,280,302 gp) || 131,002 gp (1,283,002 gp) || 128,322 gp (1,280,322 gp) || 130,304 gp (1,282,304 gp) || 129,002 gp (1,281,002 gp) || 128,302 gp (1,280,302 gp) || 128,502 gp (1,280,502 gp)
|-
| +9* || 162,302 gp (1,620,302 gp) || 165,002 gp (1,623,002 gp) || 162,322 gp (1,620,322 gp) || 164,304 gp (1,622,304 gp) || 163,002 gp (1,621,002 gp) || 162,302 gp (1,620,302 gp) || 162,502 gp (1,620,502 gp)
|- class="even"
| +10* || 200,302 gp (2,000,302 gp) || 203,002 gp (2,003,002 gp) || 200,322 gp (2,000,322 gp) || 202,304 gp (2,002,304 gp) || 201,002 gp (2,001,002 gp) || 200,302 gp (2,000,302 gp) || 200,502 gp (2,000,502 gp)
|-
| +11 or more || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 302 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 3,002 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 322 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 2,304 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 1,002 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 302 gp || square of the bonus x20,000 gp + 502 gp
|-
| colspan="9" style="text-align: left;" | * If weapon has a magical bonus greater than +5 or a special ability worth more than +5, the weapon has the epic market price given in parenthesis.
|}

:: Note that darkwood is missing since it doesn't apply to the gauntlet. Also the header "Steel" will change depending on the weapon (e.g. "Wood" for a club, and "Steel/Wood" for an arrow). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 21:23, 28 December 2006 (MST)

:::Wow... that's... totally intimidating and overwhelming. No offense. That table makes my brain melt. (However, that's GREAT for a master enchantment chart. I will steal that for the SRD.)

:::So now, which data do we want to eliminate? When I first did that section in the SRD, I chose to list the most common prices. What if we just list the special materials costs for Standard and Masterwork, then included an enchantment guide below that? (Our readers can do the simple addition in their heads.) You also want to include darkwood, as negative information is information. (It then becomes clear that Darkwood is not there on purpose.) The result is far cleaner and less overwhelming, but contains the same information. The "'''magic'''" section needs to look better than I have it.

:::{| class="d20"
|-
|+Gauntlet Enhancements
|-
! align="left" | Material !! Average !! [[Masterwork Weapons (SRD Rules)|Masterwork]]1 !! align="left" | Special
|-
| align="left" | Steel || 2 gp || 302 gp || align="left" | —
|- class="even"
| align="left" | [[Adamantine (SRD Term)|Adamantine]] || — || 3,002 gp || align="left" | Bypass DR
|-
| align="left" | [[Alchemical Silver (SRD Term)|Alchemical Silver]] || 22 gp || 322 gp || align="left" | -1 damage
|- class="even"
| align="left" | [[Cold Iron (SRD Term)|Cold Iron]] || 4 gp || 304 gp || align="left" | If enchanted, costs additional 2,000 gp.
|-
| align="left" | [[Darkwood (SRD Term)|Darkwood]] || n/a || n/a || align="left" | 1/2 weight
|-class="even"
| align="left" | [[Crystal, Deep (SRD Term)|Crystal, Deep]] || — || 1,002 gp || align="left" | Psionic
|-
| align="left" | [[Crystal, Mundane (SRD Term)|Crystal, Mundane]] || — || 302 || align="left" | No rusting, not metal
|- class="even"
| align="left" | [[Mithral (SRD Term)|Mithral]] || — || 502 gp || align="left" | 1/2 weight
|-
| colspan="2" align="left" |
'''[[Magic Items: Weapons (SRD Rules)|Magic]] or [[Psionic Items: Weapons (SRD Rules)|Psionic]]''' 
+1 adds 2,000 gp 
+2 adds 8,000 gp 
+3 adds 18,000 gp 
+4 adds 32,000 gp 
+5 adds 50,000 gp
| colspan="2" align="left" |
 
+6 adds 72,000 gp2 
+7 adds 98,000 gp2 
+8 adds 128,000 gp2 
+9 adds 162,000 gp2 
+10 adds 200,000 gp2
|-
| colspan="4" align="left" |
# Wielding a masterwork weapon provides a +1 enhancement bonus on attack rolls. 
# If weapon has a magical bonus greater than +5 or a special ability worth more than +5, the weapon is epic. Multiply magic cost by 10.

|}

::::I suppose my table is a bit over the top. Your table looks good, though. Cleaning up the layout for the magic bonuses won't be too difficult. One thing I hadn't considered is that some weapons can be composed of both darkwood and a special metal or crystal, such as an arrow. Also, do you want to include hardness and hit points? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 11:31, 29 December 2006 (MST)

:::::Saying "no" to complication can be hard. Hardness and hitpoints should be worth it. (Nobody ever remembers that stuff, so having the reference helps.) Compound items cross into the "overly complicated" realm. That's lots of work for little payback. We should simplify double-weapons into double-weapons with both heads having the same material or the same enchantment, then put a note at the bottom that says as much. (People don't read the fine print about double-weapons, so we should just price them out correctly for being full doubles.) Since most materials don't affect hardness and hitpoints, I think that those numbers belong up with damage/weight/crit block. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 11:54, 29 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Here's what I have so far. I couldn't find a layout that looked good for the magical/psionic enhancements to be in the same table as the material enhancements, so I put them in their own table.

::::::The SRD doesn't explicitly give the hps for a gauntlet nor a direct means of figuring it out. My best guess is that it'd be about the same as a light blade.

::::::The SRD also doesn't say whether or not extra cost for magical cold iron weapons applies to psionic weapons, so I just said "magical," and left it up to the DM to decide whether or not to extend it (which may or may not have been WotC's intent).

::::::{| class="d20"
|-
| colspan="4" style="border: none;" |
::::::{| class="d20 dragon monstats"
|-
! Critical:
| x2
|-
! Range Increment:
| —
|-
! Type:
| Bludgeoning
|-
! Hardness:
| 10
|}
|-
! Size || Cost || Damage || Weight || hp
|-
| Fine || * || — || 1/16 lb. ||
|- class="even"
| Diminuative || * || — || 1/8 lb. ||
|-
| Tiny || * || 1 || 1/4 lb. ||
|- class="even"
| Small || 2 gp || 1d2 || 1/2 lb. ||
|-
| Medium || 2 gp || 1d3 || 1 lb. ||
|- class="even"
| Large || 4 gp || 1d4 || 2 lbs. ||
|-
| Huge || * || 1d6 || 4 lbs. ||
|- class="even"
| Gargantuan || * || 1d8 || 8 lbs. ||
|-
| Collossal || * || 2d6 || 16 lbs. ||
|-
| colspan="5" | * The SRD gives neither this value nor a means to determine it.
|}

::::::{| class="d20"
|+ Gauntlet Material Enhancements
|-
! style="text-align: left;" | Material !! Average !! [[Masterwork Weapons (SRD Rules)|Masterwork]]1 || Hardness || hp !! style="text-align: left;" | Special
|-
| style="text-align: left;" | Steel || 2 gp || 302 gp || 10 || || style="text-align: left;" | —
|- class="even"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Adamantine (SRD Term)|Adamantine]] || — || 3,002 gp || 20 || || style="text-align: left;" | Bypass hardness less than 20
|-
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Alchemical Silver (SRD Term)|Alchemical Silver]] || 22 gp || 322 gp || 8 || || style="text-align: left;" | -1 damage
|- class="even"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Cold Iron (SRD Term)|Cold Iron]] || 4 gp || 304 gp || 10 || || style="text-align: left;" | Magical enchantments cost an additional 2,000 gp.
|-
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Darkwood (SRD Term)|Darkwood]] || n/a || n/a || 5 || n/a || style="text-align: left;" | 1/2 weight
|-class="even"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Crystal, Deep (SRD Term)|Crystal, Deep]] || — || 1,002 gp || 10 || || style="text-align: left;" | Psionic
|-
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Crystal, Mundane (SRD Term)|Crystal, Mundane]] || — || 302 gp || 8 || || style="text-align: left;" | No rusting, not metal
|- class="even"
| style="text-align: left;" | [[Mithral (SRD Term)|Mithral]] || — || 502 gp || 15 || || style="text-align: left;" | 1/2 weight
|-
| colspan="6" style="text-align: left; font-size: smaller;" |
# Masterwork weapons have a +1 enhancement bonus on attack rolls.
|}

::::::{| class="d20"
|+ Gauntlet [[Magic Items: Weapons (SRD Rules)|Magical]]/[[Psionic Items: Weapons (SRD Rules)|Psionic]] Enhancements
|-
! Bonus Value !! Additional Cost1 || Hardness Increase2 || Additional hp2
|-
| +1 || +2,000 gp || +2 || +10
|- class="even"
| +2 || +8,000 gp || +4 || +20
|-
| +3 || +18,000 gp || +6 || +30
|- class="even"
| +4 || +32,000 gp || +8 || +40
|-
| +5 || +50,000 gp || +10 || +50
|- class="even"
| +6 || +72,000 gp3 || +12 || +60
|-
| +7 || +98,000 gp3 || +14 || +70
|- class="even"
| +8 || +128,000 gp3 || +16 || +80
|-
| +9 || +162,000 gp3 || +18 || +90
|- class="even"
| +10 || +200,000 gp3 || +20 || +100
|-
| +11 or more || + bonus x bonus x 20,000 gp || + enhancement bonus x 2 || + enhancement bonus x 10
|-
| colspan="4" style="text-align: left; font-size: smaller;" |
# Increase total cost for magical enhancement by 2,000 gp for [[Cold Iron (SRD Term)|cold iron]] weapons.
# Unlike the additional cost, the increase the weapon's hardness and hit points are only gained from the weapon's bonus, not its special abilities.
# If weapon has a magical bonus greater than +5 or a special ability worth more than +5, the weapon is epic. Multiply magic cost by 10.
|}

::::::—[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 20:06, 29 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::That's an astounding amount of data per weapon. I am honestly SHOCKED how much data is connected to a single weapon. I like this layout well enough to run with it. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 21:00, 29 December 2006 (MST)

::::::::That's D&D for you. It gets more complex with each edition. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 22:06, 29 December 2006 (MST)

== The Tireless Contributor Barnstar ==

Recently you passed 20,000 edits (375 edits ago) on D&D Wiki, the most of any D&D Wikian! Congratulations! So, for achieving this enormous task I give you The Tireless Contributor Barnstar. Thanks for helping with everything you have.

{{The Tireless Contributor Barnstar|I give you The Tireless Contributor Barnstar for reaching 20,000 edits, with every one of these edits being very worthwhile and very helpful. Every single one of these edits has helped make D&D Wiki what it is, thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:23, 31 December 2006 (MST)}}

== MSRD ==

Are you going to add the MSRD to D&D Wiki? If so, thanks in advance, it's been a long time in coming. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 31 December 2006 (MST)

== Email? ==

Hello Dmilewski, I was wondering if you had received an email from me recently. Thanks, --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:40, 2 January 2007 (MST)

:Yup. Edited my home page a bit. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:21, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Edits on [[Villainous Abilities (DnD Rules)]] ==

Recently IP 69.148.22.216 edited [[Villainous Abilities (DnD Rules)]]. Because you do not have a static IP address I am not sure if this is you. However, I am just alerting you so you know it was edited. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:41, 3 January 2007 (MST)

== Rating the [[Staffmage (DnD Prestige Class)|Staffmage]] ==

Hello. I was just wondering if you would mind rating the [[Staffmage (DnD Prestige Class)|Staffmage]] I just recently edited. All I want to see is how balanced I made it... If you could do this I would be very happy, thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 4 January 2007 (MST)

:Another question, would you mind rating the [[Ghost Monk (DnD Prestige Class)|Ghost Monk]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:50, 10 January 2007 (MST)

== Wikipedia ==

Recently you linked to many Wikipedia articles via SRD monsters. So, do you think it would be appropriate to have the Wikipedia article link to D&D Wiki's SRD Monster (also giving D&D Wiki more visitors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:33, 13 January 2007 (MST)

:I think it is perfectly appropriate. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 19:09, 13 January 2007 (MST)

::Okay. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:54, 14 January 2007 (MST)

== Environment Section... Where? ==

Where is the environment section of [http://www.wizards.com/d20/files/v35/WildernessandEnvironment.rtf "Wilderness, Weather, & Environment"] in the [[System Reference Document|SRD]]? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 16:51, 17 January 2007 (MST)

:Missing. I'll have to restore this.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 18:39, 17 January 2007 (MST)

== Working Mans BarnStar ==

{{The Working Man's Barnstar|Dmilewski added the ''entire'' MSRD to D&D Wiki and for doing this I give him this Barnstar. Adding the MSRD was a huge job, and Dmilewki cannot be congratulated enough. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 25 January 2007 (MST)}}
So, I give you this [[Template:The Working Man's Barnstar]] for adding the MSRD. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 25 January 2007 (MST)

== Feat Descriptors ==

So I was browsing through the feats, and I noticed that the way the categories are assigned, there's no way to view all the feats—and only those feats—with a specific descriptor. If I'm trying to put together a [[Psion (SRD Class)|psion]] and I'm trying to select my psion bonus feat—which has to be either psionic, metapsionic, or psionic item creation—and I go to [[:Category:Psionic Feats (SRD)]], I have to filter through feats like [[Antipsionic Magic (SRD Feat)|Antipsionic Magic]] and [[Autonomous (SRD Feat)|Autonomous]] which are related to psionics but aren't psionic feats in that they lack the [Psionic] descriptor.

I suggest having category pages specifically for feat descriptors:

* Category:Divine (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Epic (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:General (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Item Creation (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Metamagic (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Metapsionic (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Psionic (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Special (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Wild (Feat Descriptor)

And these descriptors would be assigned to the SRD category. Additionally, we could have more categories for user-contributed feats that have descriptors introduced by WotC products, but aren't part of the SRD:

* Category:Exalted (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Metabreath (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Monstrous (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Vile (Feat Descriptor)
* Category:Tactical (Feat Descriptor)
* etc...

—[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 12:25, 30 January 2007 (MST)

:The feats have been needing a review. Thanks for asking the question.

:If I am interpreting you correctly, I presume that the category would be <nowiki>[[Category:Wild (Feat Descriptor)]]</nowiki>? --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 13:17, 30 January 2007 (MST)

::Yup, that's it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 14:03, 30 January 2007 (MST)

:::I think that appending "Feat" would work sufficiently well. Example: Category: Wild Feat. I had a similar problem with "light", leading to Category:Light Armor and Category:Light Weapon. ("Light" is its own PITA category.) This is a bit more self-explanatory and easier to remember. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 14:27, 30 January 2007 (MST)

::::Got the categories made and populated:

::::* [[:Category:Divine Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Epic Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:General Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Item Creation Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Metamagic Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Metapsionic Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Psionic Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Special Feat]]
::::* [[:Category:Wild Feat]]

::::and three demo pages for the feats and rules:

::::* [[Feats Overview (SRD Rules Evaluation)]]
::::* [[Feats (SRD Rules Evaluational)]]
::::* [[Feats by Type (SRD Rules Evaluational)]]

::::Whatcha' think? ——[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:14, 3 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Smooth. Looks great! --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 13:41, 3 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Now all that needs to be done is to make [[DnD Feats]] work with the same categories... The SRD and the Homebrew items should be working together to help campaigns, they should not be separated and divided. Would you like me to help with the [[DnD Feats|DnD Feats's]] category changes? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:22, 3 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::Is [[Ability Surge (DnD General Feat)]] the kind of categories were aiming for? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:20, 3 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::Yup. That's it. If we add all the user feats, we'll need to create more categories. We'll need a category for each descriptor. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 09:56, 4 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::And we would have to re-organize [[DnD Feats]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:38, 4 February 2007 (MST)

== SRD Namespace ==

How would you feel about asking [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] to create a custom namespace for the SRD? I've been finding that as more and more articles get added to the wiki, it's getting harder and harder to search for specifics within the core rules. If the SRD had it's own namespace, searches could be limited to just that namespace. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:40, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:Great minds think alike. I've been thinking about that. We can do a single OGL namespace, an SRD namespace, or SRD and MSRD. I'm not sure which would work best. I'm currently leaning towards the namespaces called SRD and MSRD. (This makes it easy for folks to check the proper namespace when searching for something specific and to search each reference document separately.) Wade in with any implementation suggestions or improvement. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 14:59, 6 February 2007 (MST)

::I say just stick with SRD and MSRD namespaces. If more publishings are added, such as the OGC from [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dndacc/881560000 Unearthed Arcana] (which [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] expressed a willingness to do [[Category talk:Base Classes (SRD)|here]]), namespaces can be added for them, as well. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:54, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:::Great. Will you drop the note to BD?--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 17:55, 6 February 2007 (MST)

::::It's not going to happen, I think. Edit counts do not get carried over between different namespaces with the current version of MediaWiki their are more problems. If one wants to search through all of the namespaces, they cannot, they would have to go individually, etc. This has already been partially tried with the D20M section, and it never got off its feet. I don't think this is the best idea, however if you are worried about the ease of search I am sure I could ask Blue Dragon to make an extension (or something) that would make it so only "SRD Rules" "Just MSRD" or "Just SRD" search options exist. What are your opinions about a more customized search and not so much of splitting this site apart? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:53, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:::::I'm not talking about splitting the site. What I'm talking about is having "SRD:" appended to the title of every SRD page (though it's a bit more complicated than that), the same way that all the template titles begin with "Template:", category titles being with "Category:", and so on. So that when you do a [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=simple+search&fulltext=Search simple search], you can just select the checkboxes at the bottom of the search page for which namespaces to which you want to limit the search. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:26, 7 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Namespaces will do exactly what Sledged is talking about. Green Dragon is talking about splitting the site into four different sections, but a custom namespace would be perfectly acceptable. These namespaces have now been added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:58, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::Now to move all 3,514 pages. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:34, 7 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::I will move them all, don't feel pressured. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:51, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::I was gonna say break into managable chunks. It's the feats, spells, and FXs that'll be the time consumers. Also, I think since they will all have the (M)SRD namespace, the "SRD" in suffix of the titles could be removed. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 17:36, 7 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::That should be scriptable? Manually converted, that would change '''Widget (SRD Equipment)''' to '''SRD:Widget (Equipment)'''? Have I followed correctly?--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 08:52, 8 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::::That's what I'm talking about. Though if a script is going to be used, I wouldn't worry about it, unless modifying the script is a minor issue. Additionally, the script would have to make sure titles like '''Spells (SRD)''' don't end up as '''SRD:Spells ()'''. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:33, 8 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::If you guys want, I can make a script run database-end. It will save lots and lots of time, and will be just as accurate (depending on the rules that it is given). Let me know what you want. Thanks, --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:55, 8 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::::::Script it. By all means, script it. If it can convert references inside documents, that would just PERFECT. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 06:55, 9 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::::Database end will not work; the revisions of what has happened to ''every'' page must be present. A non-database script is the only way this will work and Blue Dragon is working on one now... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:57, 10 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::::::::The problems: Every category will be ''very'' screwed up as the SRD items are now only listed under the "S" instead of correctly alphabetically. Blue Dragon said he will fix this sometime. Also the links should work (redirects) however Blue Dragon will work on fixing them next. No need to do anything manually. Is this what you envisioned or is something wrong? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:31, 11 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::::::This is about the exact level of complication that I was expecting. It's a big project and snafus should show up. My thanks to Blue Dragon for doing the scripting. Changing namespaces is a load of work, but I do believe that having a dedicated search for the rules set is worth the effort. Hopefully Blue Dragon can submit his alterations upstream and other wikis can get the benefit of our problemsolving. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 06:36, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::::::::::[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:DynamicPageList2#Number_of_Columns DPL2] version 0.9 has a "column" parameter. If you set it to 3, and set "mode=unordered" you won't have to worry about the alphabetical headers. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 07:34, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::::::::We're on 0.7.7. We'll have to wait for Blue Dragon to update the server.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 09:18, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::::::::::::A question about that: Would the namespace still be listed (used). I mean would the SRD items still go under S when their are not just SRD items or would it disregard namespaces? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:28, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== CR List on Creature Page ==

I would find it convenient if there were links to the CR category pages directly from the SRD creature section. When I design an adventure I usually look for monsters by CR, not alphabetically. [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:36, 7 February 2007 (MST)

:I'll put that on my to-do list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 08:47, 8 February 2007 (MST)

::For SRD creatures, there seems to already be a page: [[:Category:Creatures by CR (SRD)]]. Nothing links to it, and it should probably be just a regular page instead of category; nothing has been assigned to it, and its content is the result of DPL tags.

::[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]], are you talking about a page for only SRD creatures, or both user-contributed and SRD creatures? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:33, 8 February 2007 (MST)

:::I added a links to Creatures by CR (SRD) under the creatures page. It never got moved into the creature page when we redid the SRD structure. This is supposed to be a category, as I want it to appear under the Category page. (I sometimes find things by category and find this useful.) --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 20:51, 8 February 2007 (MST)

::::I agree, that should help many people. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 10 February 2007 (MST)

:::::This is great! So handy, thanks a lot. And to answer [[User:Sledged|Sledged]], I only meant SRD creatures. The user-defined ones already have a listing by CR. [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 11:10, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Gotcha. Though I wasn't asking if you meant user creatures by themselves, but a page that has '''all''' the creatures on the wiki by CR; both user and SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:15, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::He can make wiki-wide pages like this himself. This will help show us that he's "admin material." It's a good DPL project, too. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 11:33, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]], your going for admin ([[RfA]])? And, yes, I do think it is a good thing to learn wiki-code better (especially dpl's) --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:50, 12 February 2007 (MST)

==Orphaned MSRD Pages==

<strike>I didn't know if you were aware, but there are several orphaned MSRD pages, especially revolving around classes (acolyte, archaic weaponsmaster, and many others). Any plan to fix this? --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 04:00, 10 February 2007 (MST)</strike>

:Just joking. Sorry. They were listed under orphaned pages, but I checked the MSRD and they are linked to. Must just be some flaw in the system. --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 04:04, 10 February 2007 (MST)

::DPL lists are included in the orphaned pages. To see the real orphaned pages (which is a little out-dated - I will update it today) use the Orphaned Pages - Excluding DPL and SRD (Should also include MSRD their). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:59, 10 February 2007 (MST)

== Spell Categories ==

I noticed you where trying figure out what to name the categories of spell (and power) descriptors. I have two suggestions. Either do the same way the feat descriptors were done (e.g. "Category:Fear Spell"), or use "effects" (e.g. "Category:Fear Effect") since all spells with a specific descriptor are also an effect of the same name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:35, 11 February 2007 (MST)

:Now that I think about it, "effect" would be better since it can cover spells, powers, spell-like, psi-like, supernatural, and exceptional abilities. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:40, 11 February 2007 (MST)

::Oooh. Good thinking. Consider it adopted. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 18:48, 11 February 2007 (MST)

== Quicken Redirect ==

I just noticed the [[Quicken]] redirect. If [[Quicken]] redirects to [[SRD:Quicken Spell (Feat)|Quicken Spell]], where does that leave the other quicken feats? ([[SRD:Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Feat)|Quicken Spell-Like Ability]], [[SRD:Quicken Power (Feat)|Quicken Power]], and [[SRD:Automatic Quicken Spell (Epic Feat)|Automatic Quicken Spell]].) —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:49, 28 February 2007 (MST)

: Good catch. Here's a question for you: how to we keep [Quicken] non-committed? Once we begin tagging using aliases, someone

:: "...will end up a redirecting term to one page when it applies to multiple terms." Is that along the lines of how you meant to finish that sentence? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:01, 28 February 2007 (MST)

:In general, most quickens refer to Quicken Spell, so that's not a bad default. What I did for other name-space collisions was to go with longer words. "Good" is "Good Effect." Quicken should be [Quicken Spell]. Enforcing that is more editorial policy. Honestly, I don't know how to lock in an empty page so that it forever turns red, which is what we would need to do to keep Quicken non-allocated.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 15:23, 28 February 2007 (MST)

::I don't think you can lock a page that doesn't exist. I tried it with [[MyClass (DnD Class)]] by creating the page, protecting it, then deleting it. Didn't work. I logged out and was able to create the page again.

::The only alternative of which I can think, is to make [Quicken] just a locked page hosting links to everything in the SRD to which it applies. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:01, 28 February 2007 (MST)

:::I think that is the best answer. It could look like something below. We can institute that as a standard and use that for any abbreviation collision, then LOCK IT.

:::''Quicken'' is an ambiguous term. Do you mean:
:::*[[SRD:Quicken Spell (Feat)|Quicken Spell Feat]]
:::*[[SRD:Quicken Power (Feat)|Quicken Power Feat]]
:::*[[SRD:Quicken Spell-Like Ability (Feat)|Quicken Spell-Like Ability]]
:::*[[SRD:Automatic Quicken Spell (Epic Feat)|Automatic Quicken Spell Epic Feat]]
:::--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:31, 28 February 2007 (MST)

::::I knew this would come up, and now is as good as any time to mention it. What we need is somethig like Wikipedia's "disambiguation page"; that would solve these problems (and be like Dmilewski's example - just better). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 28 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Exactly what I was thinking. How do they manage disambiguation on Wikipedia? Is it coding or manually created for every page with an ambiguous title? This problem (which has come up with quicken) applies to several other pages as well... in the next few days I'll try to go through the redirects and see which ones are problematic and make a list (if we have to do it manually; hopefully sledged or blue dragon can whip up some useful plug-in, but it seems like a fairly nasty issue at the apex of linguistics and computing...). "Weapons," for example, is a nasty redirect (it brings you to User Created Weapons, which has no link to the SRD weapons... which, to be honest, is actually rather irritating (because a redirect like this does not allow you to use search effectively!). —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 01:18, 1 March 2007 (MST)

::::::(Yeah, I could see this coming, too.) I'm happy to steal from the best. Off the top of my head, problem children include: good (alignment, spell effect, creature subtype), evil (alignment, spell effect, creature subtype), light (light effect, light weapon, light armor, light encumbrance), fire (fire effect, fire subtype) --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 06:05, 1 March 2007 (MST)

:::::::Until you get a system implemented, I will mark anything that I see as ambiguous as [[:Category:Ambiguous]]. That will make it easy to find pages that crop up.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 07:13, 3 March 2007 (MST)

::::::::I've started with four terms: [[quicken]], [[climb]], [[swim]], and [[run]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:35, 1 May 2007 (MDT)

== SRD Categories ==

Currently, none of the SRD classes are in categories such as [[:Category:Arcane Spellcasting]] or [[:Category:Divine Spellcasting]]. Is this something you're in charge of? (I was pointed in your direction, and nearly all the pages that need changing are locked to me...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 08:54, 21 March 2007 (MDT)

:I have not taken time to do this. If you crank out who should have which category, I'll paste the tags in. FYI, the usual page for requests is the SRD:Talk page. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 09:12, 21 March 2007 (MDT)

== Redirects: Categories and Definitions ==

What should be done with terms that have both a definition and a category of the same (or similar) name like "humanoid" (which currently redirects to the category). It's a bit of an inconvenience to type out "SRD:Humanoid Type (Creature Type)" every time I want to link to the term, but it would also be a pain to type out ":Category:Humanoid Type" every time to link to the category. (I link to both fairly often.) Of course making it a disambiguation page would just require the long text for linking to both pages. So I thought one solution would be to use the singular ("humanoid") to redirect to the definition, and the plural ("humanoids") to redirect to the category. But then I realized that it was a partial solution at best because of elves (race), elf (creature), and elf (subtype category), and there's also words whose plural and singular forms are the same ("fey," "undead," and "vermin").

What say you? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:50, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:I feel your pain. As it stands, the header for SRD creatures should point to the Type and Subtype definition. For the SRD, I hard coded those. We can set the dis-ambiguous sets of [Humanoid Type] and [Humanoid Category]. That partially solves the issue. At least, that gives us a "proper" answer. That doesn't solves the "improper" answer, what to do with the generic term [humanoid].

:My rule of thumb is this: point to a definition or rules wherever possible, and to a category page if there is no better place. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 17:34, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Neutral Alignment Category(ies) ==

Should there be two neutral categories to distinguish the law-chaos axis from the good-evil axis?
* [[:Category:Neutral (Law-Chaos) Alignment]]
* [[:Category:Neutral (Good-Evil) Alignment]]
—[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:23, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:I always hated that in the SRD. I would strongly encourage those categories (or similarly named ones). --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:46, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I don't see the use. However, it's easy enough to DPL up a page. If you want to add it, and there are folks who do find it useful, I don't see any harm.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 14:53, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

===Awesome Job===
you are teh 733tn3ss. You just moved 8 categories around to make it easier to search :)
[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 16:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:Is he l33t enough to merit a [[template:barnstar|barnstar]]? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:12, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Druid (Evaluational Base Class Layout)/Capitalized Abilities in Tables?

2007-05-20T06:09:48Z

Armond:

== Capitalized Abilities in Tables? ==

Recently, with all of IP 69.95.86.73's edits on certain classes I have come to a problem. First off I did not revert these edits because A) I like them and think they are okay and B) When we format all the classes to this new way it will get changed back anyways depending on the verdict here. So, I think title-like capitalization of abilities in tables looks better than just the first word capitalized on the entire level. I think we should title-like capitalize abilities in tables even though WotC does not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:42, 23 March 2007 (MDT)

:I don't like it, myself. Looks kinda ugly. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 08:32, 23 March 2007 (MDT)

::Should it be put to the vote? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:31, 23 March 2007 (MDT)

:::I can't think of any strong reason for one way or the other. I say go with inertia and follow WotC's lead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:48, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

::::Just for the record: <code>text-transform uppercase</code> may help get the code consistent. Beware, though, it does not respect any convention, it just uppercase any first letter, Like This Even Though A Word Shall Not Be Uppercased). By the way, remember my proposal for a template? That would help enforcing consistency. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 15:09, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... So, everyone is for keeping only the first letter of any certain levels abilities capitalized (Say NAY if you are not)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::: Could you provide some links, so that I may get a look? Thank you. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 20:38, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::::* Capitalized: [[Anchorite (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Battle Hedgehog (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Battle Herald (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Blink Warrior (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Blood Soldier (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Brother of the Scarred Hand (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Channeler (DnD Prestige Class)]]
:::::::* Only first word capitalized (except the occasional bonus feat): [[Aerial Cavalier (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Arcane Hunter (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Arcanist (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Archer of Artifice (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Gold Knight (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Gold Templar (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Grafter (DnD Prestige Class)]]

:::::::—[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:16, 25 March 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Nay (1). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::Am for keeping them. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:58, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::Although not as determinist as German, English has some rules regarding typography and cases. Check out [http://musicbrainz.org/doc/CapitalizationStandardEnglish CapitalizationStandardEnglish] [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) — [http://blog.empyree.org/en blog] 18:34, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::So, according to that, we should capitalize the abilities in the table, right? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:40, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::Right. Don’t forget some words are ''not'' capitalised (articles and adverbs, I think) {{Unsigned|David Latapie|18:45, 27 March 2007 (MST)}}

:::::::::::That article only addresses capitalization in titles. The section of the table that has the class features aren't titles. The titles would be the name of the table itself ("Table: The Druid") and the headers of each column; "Level," "Base Attack Bonus," "Fort Save," "Spells Per Day," etc. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:48, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::I'm not very good with English however I see the tables abilities as titles that lead to the abilities writing farther down on the page. Even though this is incorrect, this is how I, and I am sure many other people, see it. even though it may not be gramatically correct I still think capitilization on the abilities looks better than having them non-capitalized. Do you think that their is enough disagreement to put this to the vote? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::I see introductory text/definition term (the capacity in bold) as a title too. I consequently agree with Green Dragon here. Plus, this is what Wizards do in its book (See ''Arcane Dilettante'' in ''Dungeonscape'', p. 16). [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) — [http://blog.empyree.org/en blog] 04:59, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::Yes, but in the table the first word is still the only thing that's capitalized. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:26, 11 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::I share the intuition about titles. However, that intuition is overruled by desire for consistency. It's hard enough to remember which titles D&D capitalizes and which ones they don't, e.g. classes, races, attributes, skills, feats, spells, powers. My first preference would be to ask Wizards to establish a consistent policy, but assuming that's unlikely, I'd vote for local consistency. So, if a spell or power is not capitalized, I'd rather it ''never'' be capitalized, rather than add a second tier of confusion. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 13:26, 2 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::::Well, any non-automated process will induce errors, typos… by essence (not counting people who want to enforce the rules. Forking, anyone?) Here is a beginning: substantive and qualificative adjectives are always capitalised. I would add that in my native language, we do not capitalise (welll, we do, but much less, since we capitalise up to the first appelative). Still, this is a site in English, so we should follow the English rule (I would go as far as to say that when Wizards and English conflict, English should win. I never liked ''Orc'', this is ''orc'', except in a title, as the first word or a sentence or in poetry. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) — [http://blog.empyree.org/en blog] 15:19, 2 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::::If every word is to be capitalized in the table simply because it looks better is okay, but there's a potential problem with using this title line of reasoning, because by the same token, everything else that refers to special abilities would have be capitalized, too, not just what's in the table. All terms that refer to special abilities, just like the ones in the table, implicitly (or in some cases explicitly) refer to an ability description titled with that term. In fact, the same could be true every term (not just special abilities) that's used as a title: "attack of opportunity," "free action," "standard action," "cover," "concealment," "initiative," etc. Essentially, almost any text used as a hyperlink would be capitalized. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:26, 11 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::::::I agree with Sledged. But I'll change my vote if it means we can put this to rest. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 18:10, 18 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::::::We should probably do a final call on all the votes and finish this up. We still have to deal with NPC, prestige, and racial paragon classes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sledged|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.

::::::::::::::::::I want it known that while I'm not changing my vote (I honestly think the tables look a lot better with the lower case formatting), I'd be fine with having my vote ignored if it would bury this discussion. This is one of the only things left being discussed, isn't it? --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:09, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

:{| class="d20" style="text-align: left;"
|+ Capitalization of Abilities '''in the Table'''
|-
! Make them capitalized (example below)!! Capitalize first word only (example below)
|- class="even"
| Improved Charging of the Bulwark || Improved charging of the bulwark
|-
| [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] [[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] [[User:Alabastor|Alabastor]] [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] || [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] [[User:Armond|Armond]] [[User:Sledged|Sledged]]
|}

Edited first line a bit, as (obviously) it'll be capitalized outside the table and it was freaking me out a little :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:30, 9 April 2007 (MDT)

User talk:Blue Dragon

2007-05-20T06:02:02Z

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==MOI==

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== # of Edits ==

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::: What sort of Characters aren't able to be used in names? [[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 19:11, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Serberus, Thanks ==

Thanks for the info but I prefer to be a number ... call it a quirk.

== SRD ==

What classifies material as being SRD? specifically are
*Badaxe games
*Natural 20 press
*Other D20 systems
*or only WOTC?

[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 02:40, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:"''The System Reference Document, or SRD, is the collection of open gaming works licensed under the Open Gaming License (OGL) by Wizards of the Coast''" (WotC)([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_Reference_Document 1]). The SRD mainly encompasses the Players Handbook, Dungeon Masters Guide, and the Monster Manual and does not encompass Badaxe Games, Natural 20 Press, etc. These may or may not be licensed under the OGL, however having something licensed under the OGL does not mean it is SRD material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:32, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

==Category headings==
Just a wikicode tip: all the SRD articles would appear in categories listed under the first letter of the actual article name, rather than under S, if you put a category tag on the page in question with the name of the article past a pipe. So if you want [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)]] to appear on [[SRD:Magic Items]] and any other category pages under A instead of S, just change the cat tags on [[SRD:Assassin's Dagger (Magic Weapon)|the page]] to look like

<nowiki>[[Category:SRD|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Magic|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Equipment|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>
<nowiki>[[Category:Weapon|Assassin's Dagger]]</nowiki>

I ''think'' that should make category pages like that a bit nicer to navigate, unless there's some reason this wouldn't work--you clearly know more code than I do, and some of the stuff on your category pages isn't quite comprehensible to me, so maybe this trick is broken somehow under your setup. Just trying to help.
--[[User:Mobius|Mobius]] 08:29, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:...All of a sudden the random coding stuff I've seen elsewhere makes ''sense''. I highly recommend doing this, unless there's some hidden demon that'll blow the site up if we do.
:...Even then, it's just so useful... :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 00:02, 20 May 2007 (MDT)

== Does this count? ==

[[Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)|Talk:Ironbound (Prestige Class)]]
[[User:71.219.137.212|71.219.137.212]] 15:07, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

User:Armond

2007-05-20T05:58:45Z

Armond:

Yo.

Call me Armond. It's turning into my standard internet alias. You can find me on [http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/User:Armond Guildwiki], a wiki about the online game Guild Wars ([http://www.guildwiki.org/wiki/Main_page Main page]). I have a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Maethon wikipedia account], too. I've a decent knowledge of wikimedia programing from doing stuff on guildwiki for a while, but there's still a lot I'm not too certain about.

To be updated someday...

<s>[[User:Armond/Deadly Assassin (DnD Prestige Class)|Prestige class for me to work on.]]</s> Dunno if I like it as it is, it doesn't have the defense or mobility I was thinking of, thus... 
<s>[[User:Armond/Base Assassin (DnD Class)|Class for me to work on.]] Normal class version of the above.</s> Woot! Finished it! 
<s>[[Kahmai's Dirks (DnD Equipment)|Weapons to finish.]]</s> Ok, done that. 
<s>[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:DoubleRedirects&limit=500 Project for me to work on.]</s> Done - thanks to [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] for making me a sysop so I could get the locked ones! 
[[User Prestige Classes with Description|Prestige classes to rate.]] 
[[Candidates for Deletion]] 
[[Chi Path (DnD Feat)|More things to touch up.]]

{{Barnstar|I give you this Barnstar for getting rid of all the double redirects on D&D Wiki as of April 30th 2007. The double redirects were getting out of control with more than 500 present until Armond stepped up, took the initiative, and began to fix them, one by one. Thanks a ton! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:20, 30 April 2007 (MDT)}}
I guess I got a barnstar. Neat.

User talk:Armond

2007-05-20T05:58:22Z

Armond: /* Barnstar */ move

{{Messages of Interest|messages=
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==Welcome to D&D Wiki==

Hello {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to D&D Wiki! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like D&D Wiki and decide to stay. I am the owner of the site, and if you have a question feel free to ask me, however when contacting anyone on D&D Wiki through talk pages please sign your name using four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Also, if you want to help D&D Wiki but just don't know how [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new drop me a note] and I'll see what I can do. However, when dropping me a note please tell me how much time you would like to spend working and how well you know the Wiki Format. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a D&D Wikian! If you need help ask me on my talk page , or just right here. Again, welcome! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:03, 3 December 2006 (MST)

== Rating the PrC's ==

D&D Wiki has quite a bit of Prestige Classes, with only two having been rated on D&D Wiki's rating scale. So, on a small mission to try to get ratings of PrC's done, I would like you to help. All you would have to do is go to [[DnD Classes]] then to any PrC page. Click on the PrC you would like to rate; then rate its balance by clicking on the "here" in the ''Please, help D&D Wiki by rating the balance of this item '''here'''''. I hope you can take the time to help D&D Wiki become a useful tool for every visitor that comes here; and thanks in advance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:29, 29 November 2006 (MST)

== Signature ==

Hi, [[User talk:David Latapie#Your signature|Sledged answered your question]]. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 02:36, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:Thanks, got it. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:55, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

== Barnstar ==

You know I couldn't have finished it without the sysop privileges you trusted me with. Thanks for that trust, GD! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 19:54, 30 April 2007 (MDT)

:(normally one puts barnstars on their user-page...) --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Main Page

2007-05-20T05:57:10Z

Armond: /* Scroll Image Thingy */

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== Talk Pages Enough? ==

I personally believe that D&D Wiki's talk pages are not enough i think that a fourm and/or a chat room/section would be much easier to communicate with each other i often come on and have no idea of what has been/is going on! i believe fourms would help reduce that problem! that way i do not have to go through every ones talk pages to learn what is going on! the chat room would help new pepole (n00bs) like me know which admins are on so we can ask them for direct help not having to post it on green dragons and others user pages to ask! That way it is fast and efficient! i also believe it would attract more users! --[[User:MeDieViL|MeDieViL]] 16:19, 26 February 2007 (MST)

:Well... Recent Changes with "my watchlist" is a good way to check if pages that you have edited have been changed. However, the idea of a "discussion area" is being proposed in [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Other => Discussion & Guidelines]]. You may want to voice your opinion their and say you would use a "discussion area". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 26 February 2007 (MST)

== Unregistered users ==

What are the pros & cons of allowing unregistered users to edit pages? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:46, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:'''Pros:''' They often help clean up language, spelling, etc. on pages; they often contribute to talk pages nicely; most everyone who visits the site starts as an unregistered user until they decide they like the site and join.
:'''Cons:''' They often vandalize pages; they often change people's pages in superfluous and, many times, in negative ways (adding broken grammar, corrupting a concept, etc.); they often start pages with a very minor amount of text and then never return to complete the project; they often have little or no knowledge of wiki, so we have to format their pages for them; they don't understand how we use categories, etc. in creating pages (though we have instituted preloads and template to make this as easy as possible); and, finally, they virtually never return periodically to engage in the polishing and cooperative process of idea improvement, which is a main goal of the wiki. Further, I personally dislike when the rate things, since they often do what I consider a rather shoddy job-- they often have no sense of how the balance system works or simply arbitrarily assign a balance with inadequate or plainly mistaken reasoning ([[Talk:Diplomat (DnD Prestige Class)|example]]).
:—[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:44, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::They allow people like myself to not have to click the "remember password" on the school computers. (I can be pretty bad at forgetting to log in at school.) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::Honestly, I see IPs are amazing, without them a wiki is not a wiki. To be honest most new content on D&D Wiki is added by IPs; albeit sometimes very very bad content that is either spam or not balanced. Also, they do have their problems, which I think EldritchNumen covered very well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::::I agree. A wiki is about total community involvement, and that sometimes means users will not always be extremely active or "regulars"; at the same time, that doesn't mean that their contributions are meaningless. Quite the contrary; as Green Dragon mentioned, the wiki is not a wiki if editing is restricted categorically based upon user status. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:15, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::::Okay, thanks. I'm still new to this paradigm. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== +Project? ==

Is there a place where we can post about a project we want to start? (Sorry, I should know this...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:48, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:What kind of project? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::Shoot. It had something to do with Sorcerer and Wizard spells and converting them to a proper format or something like that... I've forgotten for now. I'll remember eventually. But where should I put it when I remember? Would here work? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:02, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Is the project formatting all the spells on D&D Wiki to the correct format - or what? I am a little confused still. If it is just a TODO item it should be posted on [[D&D Wiki:Things to do]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::::I remember now. I'll post it there, thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:44, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::No problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:43, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

== Locked? ==

Should this include <nowiki>{{Admin_Locked_Page}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:18, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:I think that template would be obtrusive on the main page because the main page has so little content on it. It's a small page and I would not want to put a large template on it. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::No strong opinion. I see your point. I'm actually making the locked template less intrusive on [http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/WikiRPS:Site_support WikiRPS]. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Hm... I like it - I may implemet it here. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== Double redirects - celebrate! ==

As of this moment, we now officially have less than six hundred double redirects! Thanks to everyone who's worked on this, and hopefully we'll be rid of them all soon.

On a side note, how did we get all these? >.> I get the feeling sometime before I became active here a bunch of pages were moved at least twice.

I'm going back to flooding recent changes with redirect fixes now... [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:14, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Mainly the SRD was moved to it's own namespace and DnD Monsters was changed to DnD Creatures. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::We're down to 500 exactly, not including ones on Candidates for Deletion and the locked ones I've thrown on your talk page. Woot. And there's the bell :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

== Page Titles ==

I've been changing pages so that the first heading is only depth 1 (one equal sign). Then I remembered something I'd read, and looked it up in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing&oldid=55026298#Organizing_your_writing Wikipedia's documentation]:

:''Start with 2 equals signs not 1 because 1 creates H1 tags which should be reserved for page title.''

So, to follow the official guidelines, any of our pages that currently start at depth 1 should start at depth 2 instead. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:52, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:On D&D Wiki H1 titles are mainly used only to reiderate the title on a certain page; to separate the content from templates etc. H1 titles are not used how H2 titles are used, ever. D&D Wiki has it's own little styles and sometimes Wikipedias guidelines are not the best choice for this site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:48, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Downtime ==

I am sorry for the downtime that D&D Wiki experienced today. The log files were not rotating properly in MySQL and had grown to be too large. This problem will not happen again. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

: ''':)''' No problem. We were a little concerned, but these sorts of things do happen! Don't worry about it-- –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:14, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images ==

Wikpedia's [[w:WP:FU|fair use]] policy states:

:An editor uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia must provide a detailed [[w:WP:IDP#Fair use rationale|"fair use" rationale]], or the uploaded material will be [[w:WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia|deleted]].

I would recommend this site adopt a similar policy, possibly including procedures for [[w:WP:FU#Tagging for review|tagging for review]].

I would also recommend that we follow [[w:Wikipedia:Five pillars|Wikipedia's lead]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]] on the part of someone posting an image. Until proven otherwise, we should assume that someone posting copyrighted material was unaware of the issues involved. (Indeed, I didn't consider the issues, myself, until someone else brought them up.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:Currently, it works as you said above (like how Wikipedia handles it) it just is not written out. If you would like to make a page about Images and copyrights please go ahead—D&D Wiki needs one! However, if you do not it will just be something that people will slowly come to understand and they will hope that D&D Wiki treats images the same as Wikipedia. Anyway, right now there are so little images on this site it is not a bog problem or a big issue, however that could easily change... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wikia ==

Kindred spirits? http://dnd.wikia.com/ --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:20, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:That wiki is older and very inactive (See RC and [http://dnd.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics stats]). Anyway, there content is not quite on the same levels as D&D Wiki, in my opinion (I know, I am biased). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::"There are 120,707 registered users..." That's impressive. You're right, they're not nearly as well developed, but I figured it would at least be a good source of GFPL material. I just copied over: images.wikia.com/dnd/images//7/75/Gold_piece.jpg. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:23, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::The reason they have so many users is because the users are the same throught the wikia wiki's. It's not that impressive as most of the users on the userlist have never seen that site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Ah, and here I thought it was a bug, when it was really a feature. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images available ==

[[Image:sai.png|thumb|right|Sai]]
I've uploaded a bunch of [[w:free content|free content]] images to [[wikirps:|WikiRPS]], and will be loading a bunch more. You can see what I've loaded so far by going to [[wikirps:Category:Weapon]] and scrolling to the bottom. <s>Once the image appears to the right of this paragraph, you'll know that Blue Dragon has set up image sharing.</s> –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 14:37, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

:Good work. Link to them as appropriate, and thanks for finding them all ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I have added the proper links. One question for the users of this wiki: Do you want me to create media.dandwiki.com and have all non-existing images point to there? There can only be one wiki which every wiki looks to for missing images, and I feel that media.dandwiki.com would be more appropriate than both wikis linking to each other. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:02, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I think that should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:38, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Not knowing much about it, I'm neutral. If it has advantages, go for it; if not, then don't. That's my two cents. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:26, 4 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::I'm not sure what you mean by ''non-existing images'' -- newly created images? -- but I like the idea of a central image repository. Thanks for thinking of this. Oh, wait, I get it. The link would look first on the local wiki, and only if it's not there, then it would look on media.dandwiki.com. I still like the idea, but I would hope SOP would be to upload all images to media.dandwiki.com, unless you can think of a drawback to this. (I can't.)

:::::Would it be possible to write a bot that moves all existing images from both sites over to media.dandwiki.com? That should be seamless with regard to pages that link them, right? We'd have to have a policy for collisions. Perhaps move all images from D&D Wiki, and then move all images from WikiRPS that don't duplicate an existing name. I'd be happy to review the remaining images. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:14, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::I moved them over, but I forgot to mention that there were two collisions. One was Padlock.png, and the other was Dirk.something. I looked the files over, and the both looked the same, so I just went ahead with the D&D Wiki version. There are backups of everything, so let me know if one of them is an outdated version. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I'm surprised there weren't more collisions.
:::::::I copied [[:Image:Padlock.png]] from D&D Wiki, so it makes sense the two copies would be the same. [[:Image:Dirk.png]] is the one I uploaded, so if there's a problem, it'll be on the D&D Wiki side, unless it's a different file you saw.
:::::::Thanks a lot for doing all this. [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] 22:40, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

== MediaWiki updated ==

I have recently upgraded this site to MW 1.10.0. As with all updates, this may cause problems. Please let me know if any arise. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:32, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

:Recent changed on 500 gives "''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 2 seconds exceeded in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/includes/Linker.php on line 71''". Also, all NPCs do not work (timeout). You should keep a log of the problems that arise with each update and ''fix them every update'' because this has been fixed many many times now. You could have just looked at old updates to see what had to be fixed then and do those before finishing the update. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, those have been fixed. You are correct -- I keep on forgetting that it is set to two by default. That might not need to be enabled anymore seeing that was code optimization for D&D Wiki on the old server. If you want, I can do a few test runs without it. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:57, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Is this the update that made diff pages change from the red text for changed content to the strikethroughs and underlines? Cause I kinda hate it, I dunno about you guys though... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

::::It is. –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:57, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Seeing that this update came from MediaWiki it would be a pain to hack it together so it goes red again... Also, even though it looks uglier, I think it is easier to use and becomes more useful. Personally, I have come to like it for it usefulness. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:43, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::''[http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/degustibusno.html De gustibus non est disputandum.]'' –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 08:40, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I have to ask how long it takes people to find the differences [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Sledged&curid=7446&diff=100569&oldid=100568 here]. Took me quite a while. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Hello Armond. I understand your point, I really do—however, there is another factor which should be considered. Both me and Green Dragon are red-green colorblind, and so it was very difficult with the old system to view the changes. I do realize that some of the changes are incredibly difficult to view, such as the one that you pointed out, but overall I believe it makes it easier for all people. I would be willing to hack back the old version depending on what the community wants, however. If this is a large enough issue, it should be put to the vote. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::In that case, I think it should stay as it is now. (I feel like an idiot, forgetting about colorblindness. Sorry...) However, I think it would be nicer if we had some sort of color distinguation - my mother tells me that her colorblind co-worker can see red-yellow just fine, so what if we kept the red-yellow and changed the green background to something else? I don't really know what to suggest (blue? purple? orange?), but I'm sure what works for our two top editors will be fine. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I wouldn't mind seeing both types of differentiation. The only thing I didn't like about the previous way was that you couldn't see changes in white space. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::The perfect solution (for all but Blue Dragon because he would most likely code it) would be to make a preference in "user-preferences" that would let one choose their style of diff's (color-coded or strikethroughs and lines). How does this idea sound? Would anyone use it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::In my experience it's nice to have a perfect solution, but it's always worth having a couple backup solutions because you're not overly likely to get the perfect one. I do think that sounds like a good idea (I would certainly use it, and I can see how others would use it too), but I think a couple backup ideas should be considered just in case. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What do you mean by backup? Also, should it be an option for the user to choose the color choices for an edit diff (so, no static colors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:38, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== New Stat Block ==

I've created a new stat block to replace the old. The new one loads faster, allows for deity stats, and has a new system for statting out spellcasting, manifesting, invocation-using, utterances, stances, mysteries, etc. [[Bellinor Fenjornic (DnD NPC)]] is my demo for the new stat block. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:53, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:How did you get it to load so much faster? That is hands down the most useful thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::Extensive research over at [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta-Wiki] involving the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function parser functions] and the [[Template:x0|null template]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

== News ==

Does the new template look better than the old table? Also, are the colors bad or really bad and could someone please figure out some better colors? Finally, how should [[Template:News]] be organized? Oh, BTW, thanks to [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Main_Page PvXwiki] for the image and general idea (even though this one is not as well implemented with the inclusion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:11, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Scroll Image Thingy ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that scroll in the News area on the home page looks suspiciously like a Superior Dervish Rune found in the Guild Wars games. I could confirm this if necessary, but I'd like to know where the person who uploaded it got it. I'm still quite certain thats from Guild Wars, and if so, it's copyrighted. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 19:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:GD mentions above that it's from PvXwiki. I believe that's one of the pictures that ArenaNet made for general use. I will check with Gcardinal of PvXwiki, who made the site and likely knows where the picture is from. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (MDT)
:For reference: [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Image:Hp_news.png] [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Gcardinal#Image:Hp_news.png] --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:57, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

Talk:Main Page

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== Talk Pages Enough? ==

I personally believe that D&D Wiki's talk pages are not enough i think that a fourm and/or a chat room/section would be much easier to communicate with each other i often come on and have no idea of what has been/is going on! i believe fourms would help reduce that problem! that way i do not have to go through every ones talk pages to learn what is going on! the chat room would help new pepole (n00bs) like me know which admins are on so we can ask them for direct help not having to post it on green dragons and others user pages to ask! That way it is fast and efficient! i also believe it would attract more users! --[[User:MeDieViL|MeDieViL]] 16:19, 26 February 2007 (MST)

:Well... Recent Changes with "my watchlist" is a good way to check if pages that you have edited have been changed. However, the idea of a "discussion area" is being proposed in [[Talk:Dungeons and Dragons#Other => Discussion & Guidelines]]. You may want to voice your opinion their and say you would use a "discussion area". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 26 February 2007 (MST)

== Unregistered users ==

What are the pros & cons of allowing unregistered users to edit pages? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 11:46, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:'''Pros:''' They often help clean up language, spelling, etc. on pages; they often contribute to talk pages nicely; most everyone who visits the site starts as an unregistered user until they decide they like the site and join.
:'''Cons:''' They often vandalize pages; they often change people's pages in superfluous and, many times, in negative ways (adding broken grammar, corrupting a concept, etc.); they often start pages with a very minor amount of text and then never return to complete the project; they often have little or no knowledge of wiki, so we have to format their pages for them; they don't understand how we use categories, etc. in creating pages (though we have instituted preloads and template to make this as easy as possible); and, finally, they virtually never return periodically to engage in the polishing and cooperative process of idea improvement, which is a main goal of the wiki. Further, I personally dislike when the rate things, since they often do what I consider a rather shoddy job-- they often have no sense of how the balance system works or simply arbitrarily assign a balance with inadequate or plainly mistaken reasoning ([[Talk:Diplomat (DnD Prestige Class)|example]]).
:—[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 14:44, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::They allow people like myself to not have to click the "remember password" on the school computers. (I can be pretty bad at forgetting to log in at school.) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:50, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::Honestly, I see IPs are amazing, without them a wiki is not a wiki. To be honest most new content on D&D Wiki is added by IPs; albeit sometimes very very bad content that is either spam or not balanced. Also, they do have their problems, which I think EldritchNumen covered very well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::::I agree. A wiki is about total community involvement, and that sometimes means users will not always be extremely active or "regulars"; at the same time, that doesn't mean that their contributions are meaningless. Quite the contrary; as Green Dragon mentioned, the wiki is not a wiki if editing is restricted categorically based upon user status. —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:15, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:::::Okay, thanks. I'm still new to this paradigm. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== +Project? ==

Is there a place where we can post about a project we want to start? (Sorry, I should know this...) [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:48, 6 March 2007 (MST)

:What kind of project? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 6 March 2007 (MST)

::Shoot. It had something to do with Sorcerer and Wizard spells and converting them to a proper format or something like that... I've forgotten for now. I'll remember eventually. But where should I put it when I remember? Would here work? [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:02, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Is the project formatting all the spells on D&D Wiki to the correct format - or what? I am a little confused still. If it is just a TODO item it should be posted on [[D&D Wiki:Things to do]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::::I remember now. I'll post it there, thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 14:44, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::No problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:43, 12 March 2007 (MDT)

== Locked? ==

Should this include <nowiki>{{Admin_Locked_Page}}</nowiki>? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:18, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:I think that template would be obtrusive on the main page because the main page has so little content on it. It's a small page and I would not want to put a large template on it. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:57, 7 March 2007 (MST)

::No strong opinion. I see your point. I'm actually making the locked template less intrusive on [http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/WikiRPS:Site_support WikiRPS]. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:06, 7 March 2007 (MST)

:::Hm... I like it - I may implemet it here. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:07, 7 March 2007 (MST)

== Double redirects - celebrate! ==

As of this moment, we now officially have less than six hundred double redirects! Thanks to everyone who's worked on this, and hopefully we'll be rid of them all soon.

On a side note, how did we get all these? >.> I get the feeling sometime before I became active here a bunch of pages were moved at least twice.

I'm going back to flooding recent changes with redirect fixes now... [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:14, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Mainly the SRD was moved to it's own namespace and DnD Monsters was changed to DnD Creatures. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

::We're down to 500 exactly, not including ones on Candidates for Deletion and the locked ones I've thrown on your talk page. Woot. And there's the bell :P [[User:Armond|Armond]] 12:35, 14 March 2007 (MDT)

== Page Titles ==

I've been changing pages so that the first heading is only depth 1 (one equal sign). Then I remembered something I'd read, and looked it up in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Help:Editing&oldid=55026298#Organizing_your_writing Wikipedia's documentation]:

:''Start with 2 equals signs not 1 because 1 creates H1 tags which should be reserved for page title.''

So, to follow the official guidelines, any of our pages that currently start at depth 1 should start at depth 2 instead. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:52, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:On D&D Wiki H1 titles are mainly used only to reiderate the title on a certain page; to separate the content from templates etc. H1 titles are not used how H2 titles are used, ever. D&D Wiki has it's own little styles and sometimes Wikipedias guidelines are not the best choice for this site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:48, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Downtime ==

I am sorry for the downtime that D&D Wiki experienced today. The log files were not rotating properly in MySQL and had grown to be too large. This problem will not happen again. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

: ''':)''' No problem. We were a little concerned, but these sorts of things do happen! Don't worry about it-- –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:14, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images ==

Wikpedia's [[w:WP:FU|fair use]] policy states:

:An editor uploading copyrighted material to Wikipedia must provide a detailed [[w:WP:IDP#Fair use rationale|"fair use" rationale]], or the uploaded material will be [[w:WP:CSD#Images.2FMedia|deleted]].

I would recommend this site adopt a similar policy, possibly including procedures for [[w:WP:FU#Tagging for review|tagging for review]].

I would also recommend that we follow [[w:Wikipedia:Five pillars|Wikipedia's lead]] and [[w:Wikipedia:Assume good faith|assume good faith]] on the part of someone posting an image. Until proven otherwise, we should assume that someone posting copyrighted material was unaware of the issues involved. (Indeed, I didn't consider the issues, myself, until someone else brought them up.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:56, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:Currently, it works as you said above (like how Wikipedia handles it) it just is not written out. If you would like to make a page about Images and copyrights please go ahead—D&D Wiki needs one! However, if you do not it will just be something that people will slowly come to understand and they will hope that D&D Wiki treats images the same as Wikipedia. Anyway, right now there are so little images on this site it is not a bog problem or a big issue, however that could easily change... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wikia ==

Kindred spirits? http://dnd.wikia.com/ --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:20, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

:That wiki is older and very inactive (See RC and [http://dnd.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Statistics stats]). Anyway, there content is not quite on the same levels as D&D Wiki, in my opinion (I know, I am biased). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 19 April 2007 (MDT)

::"There are 120,707 registered users..." That's impressive. You're right, they're not nearly as well developed, but I figured it would at least be a good source of GFPL material. I just copied over: images.wikia.com/dnd/images//7/75/Gold_piece.jpg. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:23, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:::The reason they have so many users is because the users are the same throught the wikia wiki's. It's not that impressive as most of the users on the userlist have never seen that site. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:54, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Ah, and here I thought it was a bug, when it was really a feature. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 22:02, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== Images available ==

[[Image:sai.png|thumb|right|Sai]]
I've uploaded a bunch of [[w:free content|free content]] images to [[wikirps:|WikiRPS]], and will be loading a bunch more. You can see what I've loaded so far by going to [[wikirps:Category:Weapon]] and scrolling to the bottom. <s>Once the image appears to the right of this paragraph, you'll know that Blue Dragon has set up image sharing.</s> –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 14:37, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

:Good work. Link to them as appropriate, and thanks for finding them all ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 2 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, I have added the proper links. One question for the users of this wiki: Do you want me to create media.dandwiki.com and have all non-existing images point to there? There can only be one wiki which every wiki looks to for missing images, and I feel that media.dandwiki.com would be more appropriate than both wikis linking to each other. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:02, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I think that should work. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:38, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Not knowing much about it, I'm neutral. If it has advantages, go for it; if not, then don't. That's my two cents. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 16:26, 4 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::I'm not sure what you mean by ''non-existing images'' -- newly created images? -- but I like the idea of a central image repository. Thanks for thinking of this. Oh, wait, I get it. The link would look first on the local wiki, and only if it's not there, then it would look on media.dandwiki.com. I still like the idea, but I would hope SOP would be to upload all images to media.dandwiki.com, unless you can think of a drawback to this. (I can't.)

:::::Would it be possible to write a bot that moves all existing images from both sites over to media.dandwiki.com? That should be seamless with regard to pages that link them, right? We'd have to have a policy for collisions. Perhaps move all images from D&D Wiki, and then move all images from WikiRPS that don't duplicate an existing name. I'd be happy to review the remaining images. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:14, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::I moved them over, but I forgot to mention that there were two collisions. One was Padlock.png, and the other was Dirk.something. I looked the files over, and the both looked the same, so I just went ahead with the D&D Wiki version. There are backups of everything, so let me know if one of them is an outdated version. Thanks! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:36, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I'm surprised there weren't more collisions.
:::::::I copied [[:Image:Padlock.png]] from D&D Wiki, so it makes sense the two copies would be the same. [[:Image:Dirk.png]] is the one I uploaded, so if there's a problem, it'll be on the D&D Wiki side, unless it's a different file you saw.
:::::::Thanks a lot for doing all this. [[User:Cuthalion|Cuthalion]] 22:40, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

== MediaWiki updated ==

I have recently upgraded this site to MW 1.10.0. As with all updates, this may cause problems. Please let me know if any arise. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:32, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

:Recent changed on 500 gives "''Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 2 seconds exceeded in /home/dandwiki-com/public_html/w/includes/Linker.php on line 71''". Also, all NPCs do not work (timeout). You should keep a log of the problems that arise with each update and ''fix them every update'' because this has been fixed many many times now. You could have just looked at old updates to see what had to be fixed then and do those before finishing the update. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 9 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, those have been fixed. You are correct -- I keep on forgetting that it is set to two by default. That might not need to be enabled anymore seeing that was code optimization for D&D Wiki on the old server. If you want, I can do a few test runs without it. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:57, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Is this the update that made diff pages change from the red text for changed content to the strikethroughs and underlines? Cause I kinda hate it, I dunno about you guys though... --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

::::It is. –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 16:57, 11 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Seeing that this update came from MediaWiki it would be a pain to hack it together so it goes red again... Also, even though it looks uglier, I think it is easier to use and becomes more useful. Personally, I have come to like it for it usefulness. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:43, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::''[http://www.bartleby.com/59/3/degustibusno.html De gustibus non est disputandum.]'' –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 08:40, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I have to ask how long it takes people to find the differences [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Sledged&curid=7446&diff=100569&oldid=100568 here]. Took me quite a while. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 17:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::Hello Armond. I understand your point, I really do—however, there is another factor which should be considered. Both me and Green Dragon are red-green colorblind, and so it was very difficult with the old system to view the changes. I do realize that some of the changes are incredibly difficult to view, such as the one that you pointed out, but overall I believe it makes it easier for all people. I would be willing to hack back the old version depending on what the community wants, however. If this is a large enough issue, it should be put to the vote. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:09, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::In that case, I think it should stay as it is now. (I feel like an idiot, forgetting about colorblindness. Sorry...) However, I think it would be nicer if we had some sort of color distinguation - my mother tells me that her colorblind co-worker can see red-yellow just fine, so what if we kept the red-yellow and changed the green background to something else? I don't really know what to suggest (blue? purple? orange?), but I'm sure what works for our two top editors will be fine. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::I wouldn't mind seeing both types of differentiation. The only thing I didn't like about the previous way was that you couldn't see changes in white space. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 22:25, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::The perfect solution (for all but Blue Dragon because he would most likely code it) would be to make a preference in "user-preferences" that would let one choose their style of diff's (color-coded or strikethroughs and lines). How does this idea sound? Would anyone use it? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::::::In my experience it's nice to have a perfect solution, but it's always worth having a couple backup solutions because you're not overly likely to get the perfect one. I do think that sounds like a good idea (I would certainly use it, and I can see how others would use it too), but I think a couple backup ideas should be considered just in case. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:45, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::::::::What do you mean by backup? Also, should it be an option for the user to choose the color choices for an edit diff (so, no static colors)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:38, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== New Stat Block ==

I've created a new stat block to replace the old. The new one loads faster, allows for deity stats, and has a new system for statting out spellcasting, manifesting, invocation-using, utterances, stances, mysteries, etc. [[Bellinor Fenjornic (DnD NPC)]] is my demo for the new stat block. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:53, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

:How did you get it to load so much faster? That is hands down the most useful thing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:36, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

::Extensive research over at [http://meta.wikimedia.org Meta-Wiki] involving the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Parser_function parser functions] and the [[Template:x0|null template]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:41, 12 May 2007 (MDT)

== News ==

Does the new template look better than the old table? Also, are the colors bad or really bad and could someone please figure out some better colors? Finally, how should [[Template:News]] be organized? Oh, BTW, thanks to [http://www.pvxbuilds.com/index.php?title=Main_Page PvXwiki] for the image and general idea (even though this one is not as well implemented with the inclusion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:11, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

== Scroll Image Thingy ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that scroll in the News area on the home page looks suspiciously like a Superior Dervish Rune found in the Guild Wars games. I could confirm this if necessary, but I'd like to know where the person who uploaded it got it. I'm still quite certain thats from Guild Wars, and if so, it's copyrighted. [[User:DancingZombies|DancingZombies]] 19:22, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

:GD mentions above that it's from PvXwiki. I believe that's one of the pictures that ArenaNet made for general use. I will check with Gcardinal of PvXwiki, who made the site and likely knows where the picture is from. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 23:54, 19 May 2007 (MDT)

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2007-05-17T20:47:09Z

Armond: remove MoIs

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==Welcome to D&D Wiki==

Hello {{PAGENAME}}, and welcome to D&D Wiki! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like D&D Wiki and decide to stay. I am the owner of the site, and if you have a question feel free to ask me, however when contacting anyone on D&D Wiki through talk pages please sign your name using four tildes <nowiki>(~~~~)</nowiki>; this will automatically produce your name and the date. Also, if you want to help D&D Wiki but just don't know how [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new drop me a note] and I'll see what I can do. However, when dropping me a note please tell me how much time you would like to spend working and how well you know the Wiki Format. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a D&D Wikian! If you need help ask me on my talk page , or just right here. Again, welcome! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:03, 3 December 2006 (MST)

== Rating the PrC's ==

D&D Wiki has quite a bit of Prestige Classes, with only two having been rated on D&D Wiki's rating scale. So, on a small mission to try to get ratings of PrC's done, I would like you to help. All you would have to do is go to [[DnD Classes]] then to any PrC page. Click on the PrC you would like to rate; then rate its balance by clicking on the "here" in the ''Please, help D&D Wiki by rating the balance of this item '''here'''''. I hope you can take the time to help D&D Wiki become a useful tool for every visitor that comes here; and thanks in advance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:29, 29 November 2006 (MST)

== Signature ==

Hi, [[User talk:David Latapie#Your signature|Sledged answered your question]]. [[User:David Latapie|David Latapie]] ([[User_talk:David Latapie|✒]] | [[Special:Emailuser/David Latapie|@]]) 02:36, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

:Thanks, got it. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 15:55, 27 March 2007 (MDT)

== Barnstar ==

{{Barnstar|I give you this Barnstar for getting rid of all the double redirects on D&D Wiki as of April 30th 2007. The double redirects were getting out of control with more than 500 present until Armond stepped up, took the initiative, and began to fix them, one by one. Thanks a ton! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:20, 30 April 2007 (MDT)}}

:You know I couldn't have finished it without the sysop privileges you trusted me with. Thanks for that trust, GD! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 19:54, 30 April 2007 (MDT)

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Combat School (3.5e Variant Rule)

2007-05-17T20:41:18Z

Armond: /* Chi Sight <nowiki>[</nowiki>Combat School<nowiki>]</nowiki> */ Chi --> Combat

{{author|author_name=dmilewski|date_created=2/9/2006|status=Preliminary}}

===Design Notes===

These are preliminary notes.

* Discourage casters from taking these feats
* Make them most attractive to Fighters and Rogues.
* Make this a fun alternative for monks.
* Discourage barbarians
* A fighter gains 10 feats, a character gains seven feats. This chain needs 17 feats to take a fighter through its full potential. (With requirements, you need more than that to fully exploit this direction. Good. Lots and lots of reason to pick a fighter here.)
* Make compatible with low-magic settings.
* Avoid unnecessary damage increases
* Make allowance for armor to scale in low-magic game
* Give a character reason to wear the armor once the bonus exceeds their armor
* Provide flexibility against a wide variety of creatures.
* Provide better and scaling armor than no armor, but not better than real armor
* Provide a substitute for a magic weapon, but not actually be better than a magic weapon.
* These have got to work with without magic weapons.
* Retain linear-scaling of the class.
* I mildly (or majorly) do some feat no-no's. Good.
* Account for the cheesiness that you see in duals. (You can never fully account for this.)
* May nor may not duplicate a published feat. I no longer know all feats and haven't for years.

==Going to Combat School==

Learning on your own is one thing. Being trained by a master is an entirely different thing. When a character goes to combat school, they gain knowledge and discipline that only a true master of melee can offer.

The following feats may only be taken as Fighter Bonus Feats, as general feats when leveling up a full BAB class, or as feats taken by rogues in exchange for Sneak Attack increases.

Schooled fighters are proud of their course of study and will proudly state who they studied under. Each master usually teach some variation of a certain style. These styles may be fanciful, such as "Flying Wind style," or more mundane, such as "Berlin" style.

===Combat School <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

You trained at an elite combat school or under the direction of a acknowledged master of the combat arts.

Requirements: Character 1st level, BAB +1

This feat provides benefits:

* [[Improved Unarmed Strike]]
* [[Improved Grapple]]
* [[Trained Stance]]

The combat arts are a difficult discipline. If your caster level rises above 2/3 your BAB, you loses the benefits of Trained Stance and all the feats that depend on it.

Notes: Although these benefits looks strong for 1st level, these three feats actually offer little benefit to the life of a character. Armed characters rarely make use of any of these feats unless they specialize in these areas. In those instances, that character make little use of the Martial Weapons feat.

===Trained Stance [General]===

Requirements: BAB +1 or better

As a [[swift action]], you activate this ability. You may substitute your BAB for ranks in [[Balance]]. If you lose your balance or becomes flat-footed, you lose the benefit of Trained Stance and all feats which depend on that state.

The following actions or conditions cause you to lose your Trained Stance:

* Rage (for the duration of the effect)
* Any spell that alters your BAB
* Use of a Quicken effect of any type
* Loss of balance, being tripped, becoming flat-footed, or some other effect which could reasonably hinder your character (such as ''[[web]]'', being ''held'', climbing a wall, etc.)

==Least Combat School Feats==

Each of the following feats requires the [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]] feat.

===Grounded Stance <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

While in a Trained Stance, treat your size category as one larger for defensive purposes (such as defending against [[bull rush]], [[disarming]], [[grappling]], and [[tripping]]). This feat stacks with any feat or ability that grants a similar bonus. You may take this feat multiple times, but no more than once every four levels. The effects of this feat stack.

Notes: Note that there is no guarantee that your opponents will ever use such an abilities on your character, so this line of optimization is of limited use.

===Trained Strike <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], [[Power Attack]]

You have learned to correctly put your entire body behind a hit. While in a Trained Stance, you treat one-handed melee weapons as two-handed melee weapon when determining damage. You double your [[Strength]] bonus to melee damage and yield +2 damage for every point placed into [[Power Attack]].

This effect does not apply to off-hand weapons or light weapons, but does apply to Unarmed Attacks.

Notes: As a feat, this feat is not overpowered. Two-handed weapon users can gain all the benefits of having a shield (via using a buckler) while using a two-handed weapon without using any feats at all. In comparison, this ability requires two feats.

===Trained Defenses <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], [[Armor Proficiency (Light)]]

Your training has toughened you and taught you how to protect yourself even if unarmored. When you are in a Trained Stance, you gain an armor bonus and an armor enhancement bonus.

Your armor enhancement bonus is based on your feats: Armor Proficiency (Light) gains a +2 armor bonus, Armor Proficiency (Medium) gains a +4 armor bonus, and Armor Proficiency (Heavy) gains a +6 armor bonus.

In addition, you gain an armor enhancement bonus based on your BAB.

{| class="d20"
|-
! Basic Attack Bonus || Armor Enhancement Bonus
|-
| +4 || +1
|- class="even"
| +8 || +2
|-
| +12 || +3
|-class="even"
| +16 || +4
|-
| +20 || +5
|}

When you lose your Combat Stance, you also lose the benefits of this ability.

Notes: In most instances, buying armor will give better protection than relying on this feat.

In most cases, the character's armor should be equal to or better than this feat. This feat is intended as a stop-gap for when a character has no armor or to provide a build direction for when a character does not wear any armor at all.

Enhancement bonuses do not stack, even if those bonuses are in armor abilities. A simple solution to this interaction is to take the best armor enhancement bonus, then subtract the special abilities bonus to determine the effective armor enhancement bonus.

If the player is using sub-par equipment, this feat can actually stack well, giving the user both the full benefit of AC and the abilities of the armor. This should only happen at higher levels. Given the power curve and wealth of the higher levels, this option is likely sub-optimal.

===Warding Hand <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], [[Shield Proficiency]]

When you are in a Trained Stance, and your off-hand is empty, or carrying a shield or a buckler, you gain a +1 shield bonus. If you have [[Tower Shield Proficiency]], this is a +2 bonus. This bonus does not stack with the shield's armor bonus.

When your BAB increases to +10 or better, your shield bonus increase to +2 (+4 with [[Tower Shield Proficiency]]).

You also gain a shield enhancement bonus based on your BAB.

{| class="d20"
|-
! Basic Attack Bonus || Shield Enhancement Bonus
|-
| +4 || +1
|- class="even"
| +8 || +2
|-
| +12 || +3
|-class="even"
| +16 || +4
|-
| +20 || +5
|}

When you lose your shield bonus (such as performing a [[shield bash]]), or lose your Trained Stance, you lose the benefits of this feat.

Notes: In most instances, buying a shield gives better protection than relying on this feat.

In most cases, the character's shield bonuses should be equal to or better than this feat. This feat is intended as a stop-gap for when a character has no armor, or more usually, when a character does not wear any armor at all.

Enhancement bonuses do not stack, even if those bonuses are in armor abilities. A simple solution to this interaction is to take the best shield enhancement bonus, then subtract the special abilities bonus to determine the effective shield enhancement bonus.

If the player is using sub-par equipment, this feat can actually stack well, giving the user both the full benefit of AC and the abilities of the shield. This should only happen at higher levels. Given the power curve and wealth of the higher levels, this option is likely sub-optimal.

==Lesser Combat School Feat==

These feats require all four least Combat School feats and a BAB +6 or better.

===Calisthenics <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

Your Fortitude save now equals 1/2 your total character level, including adjustments (such as templates and racial adjustments).

===Chi Leap <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Jump 10 ranks

As an attack action, you jump with with a bonus of 1 foot per level before calculating the final distance jumped.

===Balance Drills <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

Your Reflex save now equals 1/2 your total character level, including adjustments (such as templates and racial adjustments).

===Combat Sight <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Blind Fighting

While in a combat stance, gain Blindsight 5' radius. For each additional time that you choose this feat, add +5' to the radius.

===Keep Focused <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

Your Will save now equals 1/2 your total character level, including adjustments (such as templates and racial adjustments).

===Deflecting Move <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

While in a chi stance, when moving, and you have a shield bonus, designate an opponent. That opponent is denied one attack of opportunity caused by your movement action. This increases to two moves at 10th level, three at fifteenth, and four at 20th.

===Exotic Protection <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Warding Breath (+2 or better) or Warding Hand (+2 or better)

You may sacrifice some of your Warding Breath or Warding Hand enhancement bonus to gain an [[:Category:Armor Enhancement|armor enhancement]] or [[:category:shield enhancement|shield enhancement]] of equal value. You may set these protections as a [[swift action]]. Your Warding Breath or your Warding Hand enhancement bonus bonus may not be reduced below +1.

===Greater Chi Leap <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Chi Leap

You may end your turn in the middle of a leap.

===Grounded Push <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Grounded

While in a Trained Stance, treat your size category as one larger for offensive advantages (such as attempting bull rushes, grappling, and tripping). This feat stacks with any feat or ability that grants a similar bonus. You may take this feat multiple times, but may have no more than once copy for every four hit die you have. The effects stack. This feat does not enable the use of weapons larger than your size.

===Improved Warding <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Warding Breath or Warding Hand

When in a Trained Stance, your bonuses from Warding Hand now count against all touch attacks (including ethereal attacks and incorporeal attacks).

===Vertically Grounded <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], Grounded

While in a [[Combat School (DnD Feat)|Combat School]], gain the you gain a chi ability which mimics ''[[Up the Walls]]''. (You do not become psionic.) At 6th level, you may remain on the wall for two rounds before you must descend, three rounds at 11th, four at 16th, and five at 20th.

===One With Steel <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Category:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], [[Weapon Focus]], [[Weapon Expertise]]

While you are in a Trained Stance, as a swift action, you may add a weapon enhancement to your weapon as if you had cast ''[[greater magic weapon]]''. This effect lasts for one round.

==Greater Combat School Feats==

These feats require at least seven Chi feats and a BAB +10 or more.

===Always Ready Chi <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]], ECL 10+

You are always in a chi stance unless you lose your balance.

===Chi Energy Resistance <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

Req: weapon expertise

In chi stance, when fighting defensively or using weapon expertise (the effects stack), you gain energy resistance (all) equal to your armor enhancement bonus.

===Chi Energy Strike <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Trained Stance (DnD Feat)|Trained Stance]]

Req: BAB +5 or better

When using Weapon of Chi, you need not take the full enchantment bonus. Instead, you may use some of that bonus to give your weapon a weapon enhancement. At 5-8th is a +1 enhancement, 9-12 +2, 13-16th +3, 17-20th +4. You may not use an effect opposite to any of your alignments.

===Chi Evasion <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Combat School (DnD Feat)|Combat School]]

While in chi stance, you gain evasion.

===Chi Glide <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Combat School (DnD Feat)|Combat School]], Vertically Grounded

You may ''[[fly]]'' for one round. The duration increases to two rounds at ECL 6; three at ECL 11, and four at ECL 16. Each round that you step onto a solid surface and change directions starts you over again at round one.

===Hard Knock Life <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Combat School (DnD Feat)|Combat School]], any five Chi feats.

You gain a +2 bonus to your Constitution for purposes of determining your hit points.

===Chi Shatter <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[:Categor:Combat School|Combat School]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>===

Requirements: [[Improved Unarmed Strike]], [[Combat School (DnD Feat)|Combat School]], [[Power Attack]], [[Improved Sunder]]

As a standard or attack or an attack that is part of a full-attack action, you may strike at an inanimate object or a force effect. It the attack hits, treat this blow as if it were a ''disintegrate'' cast by a caster of level equal to your BAB. In addition, this ability may be used with a hurled weapon up to a distance of thirty feet.

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== I would like a DND email account ==

I don't know what you need as verification but here is:

my email is- cyberwolf247@yahoo.com,

my group site is-http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/Fan_Advance_Quarterly/,

my online profile is- http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=113162395 {{Unsigned|64.219.24.244|10:28, 6 December 2006}}

:So is the "@dndwiki.com" email offer still valid? Dos the price not include taxes, license and dock fees? Is the offer subject to approval, see your local retailer for details, must be 18 or older to play, void where prohibited, not available in all areas, no purchase necessary? Okay, I'm rambling, the point is, can I get one of these? and, of course, I would like it as my user name "skwyd" --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 10:11, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hello "skwyd@dandwiki.com" :). I have sent you an email through D&D Wiki letting you know what your password is. You may visit your webmail account by going to http://webmail.kgprog.com/ . I hope that it can be useful to you! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:14, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Awesome. However, due to my incompetence, or some other foul-up on my part, I cannot log in with the password that you sent me. And, again due to my incompetence (it was definitely that), the e-mail with that password has been deleted...any chance of you resending that e-mail? --[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 18:55, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Let me know if it works now. I hope that it will be useful to you, and this offer is still up to all D&D Wiki (and WikiRPS for an @wikirps.org email) members. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 20:01, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== # of Edits ==

Is there a way for non-admins to check the number of edits that a person has made, or is the aspect off-limits to us peons? :)
--[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:44, 10 December 2006 (MST)

:That is not off limits at all! To let you know the truth, right now the current admins just view the contributions of a user by 500, and then go to the last row and see how far down it goes. This is a horribly method of finding out the number of edits, and so I will be creating a special page that does that when I have some free time. Thanks for the idea, and it should be implemented in around a week! --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:41, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::The way your thinking of is... 1) Go to the User-Page. 2) Click "User Contributions". 3) Press 500. 4) Press "Oldest". 5) Start counting up.... (Or, in the address bar change the 500 to 2500, the max the server will allow; it will be much faster this way). Also, if you are wondering, you have under 350 edits :(... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::: :) Thanks! I knew I didn't have many; I was just curious how to find out. (lol, my number will also drop now because I've realized the utility of "preview." Now I will only have 1 edit per actual edit instead of 4! :) --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 22:08, 11 December 2006 (MST)

::::No problem. Although, the preview button is something I like... Makes it so I catch silly mistakes much more often (such as not signing a post, etc.). Anyway, no problem for checking your edits. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 11 December 2006 (MST)

:::::[[Special:UserEdits]] for all those who are interested. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:49, 27 December 2006 (MST)

::::::Oooh! Sleek! The result that's returned from putting in "Blue Dragon" is quite interesting. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 18:57, 27 December 2006 (MST)

:::::::He has 1,657 contributions as of this post (unless he posted a thing or two while I wrote this). :P --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:24, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::::I read wrong. 1,657, and he's not made an edit in the past 15 minutes at least. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:34, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Donation ==

You can add my name to the donation list. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 16:24, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Poladar ==

Yo blue dragon I am the author of the poladar page and i am sorry that my race needs work but see i dont play D & D and so i know little about it but i do like to write n stuff so i just wanted to make up my own race. So please dont be to disappointed with my page, I tried my best to make it work in D & D but i guess i failed. Oh well =). {{Unsigned|66.214.70.113|22:13, 2 January 2007 (MST)}}

:66.214.70.113, you did not fail at all. Ideas are what people need to improve upon, and all that is needed is a bit of tweaking to make everything work. The [[Poladar (DnD Race)|poladar]] is almost done, all that is needed it the racial traits, the things that D&D Players worry about the most, to be worked out. Please see [[Talk:Poladar (DnD Race)]] for the discussion on how that works. So, I will check out all your ideas and give you help on how to make them work with D&D. Please see the discussion page of all your items to see what all needs to be done. They should all work out to be very nice works of art. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 2 January 2007 (MST)

== Search Function ==

Do you know if the wiki's search function ignores three-letter words? "Imp" gets me no results even though I know there are at least two pages with that word (one of them being the [[Imp (SRD Creature)|SRD imp]]. My latest attempt was to try to find all the "Add New DnD ..." pages, but again "Add New DnD" gave me no results. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 13:25, 7 January 2007 (MST)

:Yes, the search function ignores words that are 3 letters or less. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:56, 7 January 2007 (MST)

== Request for Yet Another Extension ==

<nowiki/>*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/StringFunctions Innocent Grin]* —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] 15:30, 26 January 2007 (MST)

:Sledged, I am sorry to ruin your day ''':P'''... This extension does not work with MediaWiki 1.9, the version that this site uses. Sorry, however this extension will not work with D&D Wiki at the moment. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:51, 28 January 2007 (MST)

::Any chance that it might work now? It looks like they updated it 4 days after my initial request. I've got some Spell and Power templates that could make really good use of it. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:20, 27 February 2007 (MST)

:::It should now be working. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:45, 27 February 2007 (MST)

== The da Vinci Barnstar ==

{{The da Vinci Barnstar|Blue Dragon recently added a new method of search to D&D Wiki, going by title and then relevance. This search is better than Wikipedias, and for that reason Blue Dragon deserves to be recognized. Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 3 February 2007 (MST)}}

== Custom Namespaces ==

Hello! [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] and I are noticing increased difficulty in searching for specifics in the SRD. The more content the wiki has the more difficult it gets. Is it possible to create custom namespaces for the SRD and the MSRD? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:14, 6 February 2007 (MST)

:See [[User talk:Dmilewski#SRD Namespace]] before replying. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:55, 7 February 2007 (MST)

== Upload spreadsheet? ==

Green Dragon said you're the one to ask about [[Talk:Fighter_Variant:_Brawler_%28DnD_Class%29#Class Balance|uploading a spreadsheet]] (either .xls or .ods) for others to view. (I suppose the ideal would be to have it editable, but I suspect that's asking too much.) Is this possible? Right now the upload facility only allows images.

If I can't post it here, I may end up uploading it to Google and giving folks a pointer.

Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 08:06, 12 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Cuthalion, I have enabled uploading for the two file formats that you supplied, as well as other common document file formats (.doc, .odt, etc.). I hope that this helps, and if you have any other concerns then please let me know. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 15:08, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::Cool! Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 16:04, 12 February 2007 (MST)

::It didn't work. :( I still get the same error message:
:::'''Upload file'''
:::'''Upload warning'''
:::'''".ods" is not a recommended image file format.'''
::I get this even if I check "Ignore warnings". --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:11, 13 February 2007 (MST)

:::Sorry about that... I forgot about MIME types. It should now [hopefully] be fixed. Let me know if it works for you. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:45, 13 February 2007 (MST)

::::That did it. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:04, 13 February 2007 (MST)

== Skin Updater ==

I guess now's a good time to ask to get the [http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi skin updater] running again. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:49, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:The reason that it is broken is because MW 1.9.0 changed the main.css file quite a bit and I had to do a lot of modifications on our's to get it to work properly. Just make sure that your skin works with MW 1.9.0, and then I will be happy to re-enable it. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 17:15, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::Ah, I see. I'm only asking at this point because it looks like there'll be a change to the link colors. Additionally, the <h6>'s are largely unused (I don't use it because the text is smaller than the normal text, which it counter-intuitive for header text), so I'd like to modify the CSS to fill a specific role in the SRD. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:08, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::Okay, a diff of the files can be seen at [http://www.dandwiki.com/skins.diff.txt /skins.diff.txt]. Let me know if everything in the diff is the changes that you want, or copy over [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/skins/sledged/main.css /w/skins/sledged/main.css] to your file and make the necessary changes. Let me know when you are ready for the script to be put back in place. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 18:55, 19 February 2007 (MST)

::::Excellent! Thanks. Hopefully, it won't take me long to make changes. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:10, 19 February 2007 (MST)

:::::Good to go. Fortunately very little was removed; mostly added text. Looks like their setting things up for the next version of MediaWiki (2.0.0 maybe?). —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 10:06, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::Enabled. Let me know if something doesn't work. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 19:55, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::http://www.dandwiki.com/cgi-bin/updateskins.cgi keeps giving me a blank page. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 21:24, 20 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::'''Sigh'''... if only I would try things after I think that I fixed them... The problem was in me not sending out the header, so your browser took everything as a header, and of course that will not work. I re-added in print $cgi->header;, so it should work now. Sorry about that. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] 21:57, 20 February 2007 (MST)

:::::::::Can I say noob? jk, thanks for doing that (not that it really affects me though). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::Actually, not verifying the effectiveness of his software changes shows a certain level of confidence in his coding that only the most experienced software engineers and those of the highest expertise ever display.

::::::::::And I'm not just saying that because I (more than) occasionally make the same mistake.

::::::::::...

::::::::::Honest! —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:32, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::: lol. And, under the guise of innocence, the egos just continue to swell! ''':D''' --[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 23:47, 21 February 2007 (MST)

::::::::::::BTW, Sledged, it was an inside joke. I should not have brought it up on the Wiki. Blue Dragon and I know each other very well (as we are twins - fraternal) and it was an ongoing inside joke. Sorry for bringing it up, I did not know it would bring out this much of a reaction. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:40, 22 February 2007 (MST)

== Lost Page ==

Remember the problem that occurred with the [[Ärenn (Carallion Supplement)]] page? ([[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 3#Lost page|Here]] was the discussion.) It seems to have happened again with the page [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Search?search=%E2%80%932+Sword%2C+Cursed+%28SRD+Cursed+Item%29&go=Go –2 Sword, Cursed (SRD Cursed Item)]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:55, 22 February 2007 (MST)

:Hello Sledged. This page was a redirect to the Minus 2 Sword, Cursed page. Let me know what you want me to do with it - I can either fix it or delete it. The problem was created from the character encoding going from experimental UTF-8 back to latin1. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

== Error ==

:''Moved to: http://wikirps.dandwiki.com/wiki/User_talk:Blue_Dragon#Uninstalled_Math_Package''

== Spam blacklist ==

Do we use the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:FAQ#Where_do_I_get_the_spam_blacklist_from_and_how_do_I_install_it.3F spam blacklist] ? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 09:53, 8 March 2007 (MST)

:No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:35, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

== w: ==

I really like having the w: namespace over on wikirps. Thanks. However, it doesn't seem to work here, e.g. [[w:Help:Contents|Help]]. Is it called something else here? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 20:37, 10 March 2007 (MST)

:Added. --[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:44, 10 March 2007 (MST)

::Change it to "''wp:''" Wikipedia abreviates itself as wp and not w. Proof of this is in their help pages. WP:Help goes to Help:Contents whereas W:Help does nothing. Please change it, and Thanks. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:10, 11 March 2007 (MDT)

:::See [[w:Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link|Wikipedia:Interwikimedia link]]. I've confirmed that [http://www.mediawiki.org/ MediaWiki] and [http://en.wiktionary.org/ Wiktionary] use ''w:'', not ''wp:''. Maybe ''wp:'' is something internal to Wikipedia? --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 10:44, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

::::You are correct, wp: is an internal thing to a help page etc on Wikipedia. The Interwikimedia link is w:, and thanks for making me look into this - I now know something I did not before ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 18 March 2007 (MDT)

:::::Any time. :) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 07:10, 19 March 2007 (MDT)

== Email problems ==

When I started receiving emails from DnDWiki about my watchlist, it stopped sending me emails from [http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Main_Page Guildwiki]. The technician sysop over there said that it might be something on DnDwiki's end. Any ideas? Thanks. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 16:13, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. These issues are unrelated. What the sysop over there should do is first make sure that your email is correctly stored in the database, and then use exim to to manually connect to your SMTP server and see where the problem lies. You might also want to tell him to go through his /var/log/mail.err and see whether or not it reports that your emails are failing to send. I hope that you get this problem sifted out! --— [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:58, 13 March 2007 (MDT)

== Excuse Me ==

Who are you people to take my ideas WITHOUT PERMISSION then change them again WITHOUT PERMISSION and when I remove my own page you block the ORIGINAL AUTHOR from editting it?

This isn't a Wiki at all. The class was made BY ME, I own the original copy, all the original text, and all the renditions of the class. It is my intellectual property as it was stated when it was first removed.

It was NOT under ANY circumstance contributed. It TAKEN and COPIED. {{Unsigned|Nightscreamer20|01:22, 26 March 2007 (MST)}}

:Please read the discussion! The truth of it is, it is not your material, you hold no rights to it, what so ever! The reason that it is blocked is because you are incapable of understanding that, and we are trying to prevent spam. Please do not bother me with your posts when you can not read a discussion page, honestly! — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:33, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

==User Edit Counter==
Since they call you the techy, I assume you are the one who implemented the wonderful auto Edit counter. I was wondering how you went about that, as I spend alot of time over at Lostpedia and something like that would be magical.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 09:21, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Hooper. I would be happy to give you the source code for my edit count. Let me know if you will be able to add it as an extension on Lostpedia. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:34, 26 March 2007 (MDT)

::Shouldn't be too much of a problem. A few minor tweaks. I assume it'll work with any basic wiki system. Only one way to find out though I guess. Thanks for helping.  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 22:51, 26 March 2007 (MDT)
::Note though, how would I get that script, as it is a locked page?  [[User:Hooper|''' Hooper ''']][[User talk:Hooper|  talk  ]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|  contribs  ]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|  email  ]] 18:39, 28 March 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello Hooper. [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/extensions/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Hook] and [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/includes/SpecialUserEdits.php.txt SpecialUserEdits Page] should get you on your way. If you run into any problems implementing it, let me know and I will be more than happy to help you debug it. You also need to remember to include the hook file in extensions/ in your LocalSettings.php file. Let me know if it works or if there are problems. Remember, this code is all released under the GPL. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:17, 30 March 2007 (MDT)

== Poke! (AJAX MoI) ==

Just so you know, the AJAX interface is at the top of my screen, and underlays the main logo and edit tabs for pages... ie it is unusable. Has anyone else been having this problem? —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:34, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:I did, but then I hit "refresh" and it went away. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:49, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:BTW, Blue, does this have a mechanic that allows a user to send a MoI to multiple users? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 11:55, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::I was having that problem until I cleared my disk cache. (Firefox: Tools/Options/Advanced/Network) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 12:25, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::The "Section" field should be optional. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:47, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::Hello. The reason that these problems were occuring is because the JavaScript was uploaded, and then only after two or three minutes did I remember that the CSS had been updated as well. If this problem is still happening, please let me know! I have also made the section field optional. Thanks for all of the comments, and let me know if any more issues arrive. Also, Sledged, just press "Send an MoI" again and it will remember the same section, and then you will be able to send an MoI to a different user. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 15:48, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

::::Clearing the cashe fixed it for me. Thanks! —[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 18:56, 14 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Hm... I think it would be nice to be able to add commas to separate a list of users you would like to send the same MoI to—that would save more time than pressing "''MoI a user about this change''" again and be nicer. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:32, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::The problem with that is that a user's name can contain commas. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:14, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::::However, a character that's not allowed in user names could be used as a delimiter instead. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 18:39, 27 April 2007 (MDT)

::::::::If there is a demand, I will have no problem adding it in. Let me know what you want the delimiter to be, I could also change it to a textarea and have it be one user per line. Let me know what works for you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:31, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

== References ==

BD: Please add reference support as you did for [[WikiRPS]]. Thanks. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 21:00, 16 April 2007 (MDT)

: Aside from the extension and tag names—it seems inaptly named since it can used for any footnote—I like that extension. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:53, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:: Agreed. I think I've only used it in tables so far. I suppose the original developer had a different purpose in mind. --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:16, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

::: Nothing from stopping us from hacking and changing it around, so long as we keep the original author's name. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 15:20, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::: I wouldn't recommend that. It's the standard on Wikipedia, and we should conform to the standard unless we have a strong reason not to. (I was thinking it was also an HTML tag, but I haven't been able to confirm that.) --[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] 15:34, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

:::::Added. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:44, 17 April 2007 (MDT)

== MoI CSS ==

Hey, Blue, I removed the MoI CSS from in [[User:Sledged/sledged.css]] because I had already put it in [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:09, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

:Okay, thanks! I was not paying attention to your other edits. Sorry for all of the confusion. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 21:43, 20 April 2007 (MDT)

== AJAX MoI again ==

As seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Dmilewski&curid=2276&diff=95981&oldid=95829 here], the AJAX code seems to have a bit of a typo in it - it says a message is "for" a person instead of "from" them. I'm no expert at this, I don't know if this is something you can fix or if it's embedded somewhere (or even if it's part of the AJAX code at all - AJAX ''is'' a type of code, right?), but I thought I might let you know. [[User:Armond|Armond]] 11:35, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. This is part of the Perl CGI backend, so it is considered to be AJAX. I have fixed it so that it will now say "from" instead of "for". Thanks for pointing this out to me. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 17:57, 24 April 2007 (MDT)

::Not a problem, thanks for fixing it! [[User:Armond|Armond]] 13:37, 25 April 2007 (MDT)

== DLPC: Compensating for User Error ==

Remember how I didn't like that users had to enter the full page name in the <dlpc> tags? A similar issue is automatically generating the wiki-markup for the link to the page. For example, the [[Template:PrC Description]] page takes the first template parameter and uses to generate the link. So if the user puts in "Prestige Class" the result is "[<nowiki/>[Prestige Class (DnD Class)|Prestige Class]]." Two problems with this:
# The entered text has to be spelled ''exactly'' as it appears on the page title, so if it's misspelled, it generates a link to somewhere else.
# If the user creates the page as "Prestige Class(DnD Prestige Class)", "Prestige Class", or "Prestige Class (DnD Class)", again a link is generated to somewhere other than the page in question.
Both problems I've seen come up fairly frequently.

My proposed solution is this: in the function <code>renderDPLC</code>, replace the line that reads:

$data = addslashes($data);

with

<s>$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $title->getPrefixedText(), $data));</s>
$data = addslashes(str_replace('\$page\$', $parser->mTitle->getPrefixedText(), $data));

then, the templates can be changed from:

[<nowiki/>[{{{1}}} (DnD Prestige Class)|{{{1}}}]]

to

<nowiki>[[$page$|{{#if {{{1|}}}|{{{1}}}|$page$}}]]</nowiki>

What do you think? —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 12:30, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Sledged. I have made the changes that you suggested. I do not understand why it is difficult to type in the name correctly, but I guess that the whole system could be too intimidating for new users. Something that I was thinking about making for awhile now would be a non-wiki solution, where users could type in all of the information in textareas and then that would be parsed into a given template. I can build a system like that if you want, depending on whether or not you think it would help. Let me know what you want. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Hm... it actually looks like Aarnott has already started doing this! I guess that I could throw that into the wiki system, maybe using Ajax. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:47, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Screwed up. Slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 13:59, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Never mind. Just revert it back to the way it was. I just realized why this won't work even with the slight change. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:11, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Okay, I have reverted it back. Let me know if everything is working correctly. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 14:58, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::The dplc method on PrC's (and maybe others) does not work correctly. If the name is not present (or maybe the problem is the extra lines in the new organization method) the dlpc will show up something like <nowiki>style="text-align: left;"|PrC length</nowiki>. Sledged, you may want to look into the problem and try to fix it... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

== D&D Wiki Media members ==

BD: Could you please add [[WikiRPS]] members [[wikirps:User:Brilland]] and [[wikirps:User:Laveaux]] to D&D Wiki Media?

I think I need to petition for sysop status on D&D Wiki Media (not necessarily Bureaucrat status, for now). I'd like the ability to delete images that I post, such as when I change the file format (e.g. .jpg -> .png). I'd also like to volunteer to be a copyright watchdog. However, if that would require going through the whole D&D Wiki nominating process, I guess I can live without.

Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 22:48, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

:To become a sysop on media you ''must'' become one here as well. Simply start an [[RfA]] and see how it goes if you want to become a sysop. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:53, 6 May 2007 (MDT)

::Not true. The user database pulls users off of the D&D Wiki user database, but not their positions. I will find a way to merge the two user databases, but you might want to consider having me merge your current database with D&D Wiki and then pull your users off of D&D Wiki. I don't know, it is up to you. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 06:45, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Oh. I though that the user-list was from D&D Wiki (I looked closer and I now see just how wrong I was—no non-user-page users, no bots, etc). Also, I looked through the list and saw that all sysops on D&D Wiki were also sysops on media.dandwiki (now I notice not all sysops here are even sysops on media.dandwiki). With these two not well looked at or researched assumptions I made that comment, and now I see how wrong I was. Sorry for the confusion [[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]], and I hope you do not mind my laziness to look into the topic at hand or my overall ignorance too much. Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:43, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

::::No worries. Does this mean I can be a sysop on D&D Wiki Media? –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:24, 7 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::You are one right now (See the User List). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 09:47, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::Well, what d'ya know. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::All thanks to Blue Dragon, he made you a sysop, not me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:16, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== Interwiki media: link ==

BD: Is there an interwiki link to media.dandwiki.com? If not, could we get one (from WikiRPS, too, please)? I'm thinking '''media:'''. Thanks. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 12:19, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Cuthalion. Media points to the image source, so that link is already taken. <code>dndmedia:</code> should work now. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 18:40, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

== User Edit Count Grammar ==

'''<nowiki>:</nowiki>)''' In the spirit of your User Edit Count response (about Graham's number, etc.) I'd like to point out a small grammatical error (a victory of language nerds over computer nerds). You said: "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the world, combined." Simply restated, this says "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives of the combined world." I suspect, of course, that you intended to signify that all the ''hard drives'' were to be combined, not the world itself! :) Thus, your post should either read "...it could not fit on all of the combined hard drives of the world" or, to preserve your sense of apposition, "...it could not fit on all of the hard drives, combined, of the world." Just a bit of friendly teasing! :) Have a good day! –[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 21:40, 10 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hurray! Another grammar nazi like me!!!!!--[[User:Skwyd|Skwyd]] 09:46, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

::Thank you!! As you can see, I am clearly not an "English Nerd". I have changed it to your first suggestion, just because I liked the sound of it a bit more and was not too attached to the comma. Again, thanks! (And yes, I am so incredibly active on this site that most of my edits can not be seen on Recentchanges!) — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 16:10, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::Ok, I don't quite get that. Can "hard drives of the world" not count as a single unit? (I call them units, you can call them phrases, subjects, or whatever, my brain doesn't work like that :P.) In that case, the unit "hard drives of the world" would be combined, would it not? (Yeah, my last English test was today, but I'm of the opinion that you can never learn enough.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:02, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:::I guess I'm pointing out a difference between speaking and writing. When you say something like that, the accents show where the different units begin and end. When you're writing, that's not so clear. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 21:03, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

== Mediawiki code stuff ==

Me again, here to bother you with stuffs. I'm no expert at coding, but I'll do my best to explain my thoughts: If you look at [[Template talk:Delete]], it's unable to work properly unless it's subst:'d. My ''theory'' is that when the wiki "reads" a page with <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Delete|Delete]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, it sees the <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> tags as a "blip" on the page. This blip is non-existent, technically, but causes enough of a blip in the code that it separates the parts of the substituted tags in the eyes of the mediawiki "reader". Is there a way you can delve into the mediawiki base code or something and work around that? And if you can, could you give me an explanation of how to do it so I can give instructions on implementing it to the coder on another wiki? (Both of these two wikis have templates that could really use dynamic dates.)

Thanks for your help! --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 20:31, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:Hello Armond. I have created an extension that does what you want. It can be used similar to a template, and the transclusion is transparent. An example follows: <code><nowiki><deletepage>I do not like this page</deletepage></nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki><deletepage/></nowiki></code>. The reason that I see that it might not be used: It is much more HTML style than Wiki style. Let me know if you want me to play around with that aspect, and if you like the idea. If not, it is fine as well. Let me know what you think, — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 22:30, 16 May 2007 (MDT)

:On another thought, I could very easily integrate it into a wiki template. Let me know if you want me to pursue that path. — [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]]) 13:44, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I think it would be better if it were integrated into a template. Like you said, people are less likely to use HTML-orientated coding on a wiki - either they don't know wikicode and know HTML (in which case they won't know the deletepage tag you just made), or they know and are used to using wikicode (in which case they'll be uncomfortable using HTML style coding). How would you integrate it into a template? Would the deletepage tag be come a part of the delete template? Now you've got me curious. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:31, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

::I must say, however, that that's some pretty neat coding. --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:36, 17 May 2007 (MDT)

SRD Talk:Feint

2007-05-17T20:35:17Z

Armond:

== Links ==

This should have links. (It's locked or I'd put them in myself. Tell me why all the SRD pages are locked, again?) –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 20:47, 28 April 2007 (MDT)

:Same reason you lock any page. To keep it from being edited. And there's a good number of SRD pages that need to be hyperlinked. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:31, 3 May 2007 (MDT)

::Okay, so there are a lot of SRD pages that need to be edited, and they're locked to keep them from being edited. I think I get it now. No ... no, actually, I don't. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 11:52, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

:::No, no, no! At this point you're supposed to ask, "If there's a good number of SRD pages that need to be hyperlinked, why keep people from editing them?"

:::To which I would respond "I don't know for certain, but if I had to wager a guess, it would be because the SRD is the basis for all the user-submitted D&D content (with the possible exception of the variant and supplemental rules), and is considered immutable (barring official changes from WotC). There's a possibility that some would want to add their own interpretation of the rules to the SRD, add content from the core rule books that isn't OGC like the XP info and wealth by level, make 'corrections' based on obsolete, non-OGC, or unofficial third-party sources." —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 16:49, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::Close enough. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 17:15, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::Isn't that why people police recent changes, so inappropriate changes can be reverted? From [[w:Wiki|Wikipedia]]:

::::::''A defining characteristic of wiki technology is the ease with which pages can be created and updated. ... Critics of open-source wiki systems argue that these systems could be easily tampered with; while proponents argue that the community of users can catch malicious ''[or inaccurate]'' content and correct it. ... Wikis are generally designed with the philosophy of making it easy to correct mistakes, rather than making it difficult to make them. ...

:::::Yes, I know, D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia. Still, it seems to me the admins make an awful lot of unnecessary work for themselves, and frustration for the rest of the community, by not allowing general users to correct typos, add hyperlinks, and so on. What's more, a lot of needed changes don't get made at all -- how long have you known that a good number of SRD pages are missing links?

:::::Then there's the PR message of a wiki that doesn't allow users to edit content. It stinks.

:::::It seems to me it would serve your purpose to make SRD pages editable by registered users only. That would eliminate most of the risk, without hamstringing the community. –[[User:Cuthalion|Cúthalion]] ([[User talk:Cuthalion|talk]]) 18:39, 5 May 2007 (MDT)

::::::The SRD will not be unlocked, even to registered users. There are a couple or reasons for this. One is that when people come here to look at the SRD as WotC published it, they do not want to see an interpretation of the SRD, they want to see the SRD. Another reason is that I do not see why the SRD needs to be edited that badly. Yes, it can be improved but it works and there is not a major need for it to be edited right away. It will get done as more and more admins come into existance. Finally I think too many people, you included, put admins on a pedistool (40-year old virgin reference ''':)'''). Becoming an admin is not that big of deal, more are always needed, and admins really do not get more amazing benefits, its almost the same as being a user. So, what I am trying to get at is, is that if you really want to help link the SRD become an admin, it's not that hard and if you fail, you can always try again later. Overall, I just don't want the SRD to become a liability. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:18, 8 May 2007 (MDT)

:::::::I personally don't always like the SRD. I know this would be a huge amount of work, but would it be worth making copies of the SRD namespace pages as editable pages? Or would that violate copyright laws? (I am so sick of them from PvXwiki that if we're even bordering on a copyright infringement I say we skip it.) --[[User:Armond|Armond]] ([[User talk:Armond|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Armond|contribs]]) 14:35, 17 May 2007 (MDT)