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<div><!--I originally thought that Jazzman831's vandalism of Ehsteve's articles was just collateral damage, used to help create a false pretense for vandalizing my own articles. But I have just looked at Ehsteve's user contributions, particularly those to Green Dragon's talk page, and I see now that Jazzman831's vandalism of Ehsteve's articles was probably personally motivated as well.--></div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Yulia_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=521655Yulia (3.5e Deity)2011-06-07T07:08:11Z<p>Archetyper: </p>
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|align=Neutral Good<br />
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|calign=Neutral Good, Chaotic Good<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Good Domain|Good]], [[SRD:Healing Domain|Healing]], [[SRD:Glory Domain|Glory]]<br />
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Yulia was spawned by the primordial divine energy, simultaneously with her sister [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], who is her opposite.<br />
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Yulia is the progenitor of angels and archangels. She has been known as 'the holy ghost', though this is not the same 'holy ghost' that is mentioned in Christianity. With very rare exceptions, Yulia dwells in the ethereal plane and has little influence upon the material plain. Even within the ethereal plain, Yulia dwells in a far-off and isolated area, concealed by a large expanse of semitransparent white fog. Yulia shuns the material plane, and if she is forcibly summoned out into the material plane, her horrific power is unleashed upon those who summon her.<br />
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Yulia is more-or-less humanoid in form. As a result of her great power, and status as an overdiety, Yulia has a semi-ethereal form. She is a nude female, who is white in color and semi-transparent, and has semi-transparent white ethereal gas emanating from her. She also has very long hair that reaches down to her feet, and this hair surrounds her body and mingles with the emanating gas. She moves around kind of like a mermaid, with her back arched backward such that she faces forward, and her arms, legs, and lower torso point backward, trailing behind. But unlike a mermaid, her propulsion is magical and therefore does not involve physical propulsive movements.<br />
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Yulia never carries any weapons, or any other objects for that matter, nor does she ever wear any clothing or armor of any kind. Because she is semi-ethereal, she does not interact with such solid objects normally. In the presence of Yulia, material beings, objects, spirits, and gods alike become semi-liquid and warped around like taffy. That also happens to the high archangels that she herself has spawned, but said archangels are unique in that they revert to their previous state after leaving the presence of Yulia.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Yulia does not particularly seek followers or have dogma, being as she is mostly reclusive on the ethereal plane. Yulia's followers act by her example. The resulting dogma can be summed up as: "Love and nurture that which is good and delicate. Appreciate silence, stillness, and beauty.".<br />
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In imitation of Yulia's appearance, the clergy of Yulia wear a white semi-transparent gossamer fabric which covers their entire body, including their face, and they wear nothing else, except in cold weather. The clergy of Yulia are dedicated to helping good beings, both intelligent beings and animals.<br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=A dead leaf blowing in the wind<br />
|plane=The Material Plane<br />
|align=True Neutral<br />
|port=Death, Unconsciousness, Forgetting, Impermanence, Indifference<br />
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If there is any god that is the most ancient of all gods, it is Lohm. Lohm was spawned by the primordial divine energy, which split in two to form the god Lohm, and a cloud of what could be called 'divine life energy', which counterbalanced the death and impermanence that Lohm embodied. The divine life energy then spawned the two sisters [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], the god of pleasure, and [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], the god of suffering.<br />
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Lohm lacks a particularly defined form, but when she appears she looks vaguely like a gray-colored adolescent girl with straight hair and a blank expression on her face. She is neither beautiful nor ugly, but plain-looking, though she is rarely seen clearly enough to make that judgment anyway. When she is seen, which is rare, it is only as a head, not an entire body. Lohm appears vaguely in the shapes of clouds, or appears in a barely-visible transparent form in the air. Lohm never exists in a form that is both opaque and well-defined.<br />
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Lohm dwells in the atmosphere of the material plane, usually invisibly, seeking out beings who are lost or otherwise alone or apart from society, whose souls she seeks to reap when they die. She also reaps the souls of her own clerics. Souls reaped by Lohm are not sent to one of the various afterlife planes, but are made to vanish into non-existence. Lohm reaps the souls of the recently deceased by placing her hand upon them, which causes the soul to lose coherence and disperse like vapor.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Lohm's teaching is simple. It can be summed up as: "Everything comes to an end. Don't try to preserve anything."<br />
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Lohm is an unpopular god, and Lohm's followers are few in number. Followers of Lohm are especially rare among species that are typically lively, purposeful, avaricious, and/or ambitious.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm wear clothes made of thin cotton cloth, which represent impermanence due to their vulnerability to both biodegradation and fire.<br />
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In stark contrast to most gods' temples, it is forbidden that the temples of Lohm be constructed of long-lasting materials like cut stones, bricks, or bronze, because such materials represent relative permanence, in contrast to the impermanence that Lohm represents. Lohm's temples are typically constructed of such things as bamboo, paper, and thatched reeds. Lohm's temples are located in random and out-of-the-way places in nature, most of them on plains or hills.<br />
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The clerics at any temple of Lohm tear apart and bury the temple every 10 to 20 year, and build a new one in a new random location.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm bury the bodies of their dead without coffins or other covering, in unmarked graves, and do not keep any records or keepsakes of their dead.<br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=g<br />
|sym=An eagle skull<br />
|plane=Khalas, Gehenna<br />
|align=Chaotic Neutral<br />
|port=Combat, Combat Death, Hunting, Independence, Weapons, Bones<br />
|calign=Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Good, Chaotic Evil<br />
|dom=[[SRD:War Domain|War]], [[SRD:Liberation Domain|Liberation]], [[SRD:Death Domain|Death]]<br />
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This Santana is no relation to the latin rock group of the same name.<br />
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Santana is the 4th-born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. There are only a few archangels that are more powerful than Santana. Some mortals have conflated Santana with Satan. Santana is not quite what Yulia had hoped for when she created him. She had intended to create a noble warrior that would fight for justice, but Santana turned out to be a combat-loving being who was not much concerned with the fight against evil. Santana will fight against evil only when doing so is an unavoidable necessity. Over centuries of personal participation in battles, Santana's flesh has long since been burned away, but he doesn't mind, because he is a powerful deity who doesn't need eyes to see or need muscles to move.<br />
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Like most of the most powerful deities, Santana does not look like an ordinary humanoid. Santana is a skeleton, whose bones are brownish due to fire and aging. His skull is that of an eagle with a large fierce beak. Santana's feet are also like those of a bird of prey, and he has fierce talons on his toes. As archangels often do, Santana has 2 large wings attached to his back. Santana's wings are mostly skeletal like the rest of his body, though attached to his wing bones is connective tissue and scraggly black feathers. Those black feathers on the wings are not Santana's original feathers, but a later growth; Santana was originally covered with gold-brown colored feathers, before his original feathers and other flesh was burned off. As male archangels often do, Santana wears a roman-style cuirass. Santana's cuirass is made of steel, and has some simple embossed designs on it that are a darker gray than that of the surrounding steel. The cuirass also has flaring extensions around the shoulders. Santana has a steel bastard sword, as well as a leather belt with a scabbard. Aside from Santana's cuirass and belt, he wears no other clothes, such that his head, arms, legs, and hips are exposed bone.<br />
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Santana fights with a sword out of preference, but he hardly needs to use a sword, or any weapon, due to his godly powers. Santana is able to attack with an 'abrasion blast'- an emanation of a cone of abrasive mineral grains moving at very high speed, like a sandblaster.<br />
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Santana's lair is carved out of a stoney mountainside in Khalas, in Gehenna. Santana often ventures to Acheron to add to the carnage, where he is an unwelcome guest and therefore has plenty of foes to fight.<br />
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Santana is not particularly interested in gaining followers or teaching dogma. However, he will often interact with mortals, mostly for the sake of fighting in a battle, and it is from these interactions that mortals have come to know Santana and emulate him. This dogma can be summed up as: "Live independently, live to fight, and don't fear death."<br />
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Santana's 'clergy' can hardly be called that, since they are rather independent. The clergy emulate the character of Santana. Their activities range from highway robbery to fighting the soldiers of tyrants. They often wear ragged clothes.<br />
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Santana's temples are usually humble, consisting only of an alter made of stones and lashed-together bones, that is located in some cave or similar rough shelter. However, there are a few grander temples- stone brick pyramids with a large alter on the top.<br />
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|sym=A white flame (before his defeat); A yellow flame (after his defeat)<br />
|plane=Chamada, Gehenna<br />
|align=Neutral Evil<br />
|port=Light (before his defeat), Darkness (after his defeat), Creation, Destruction (before his defeat), Decay (after his defeat), Death, Power, Magic, Knowledge<br />
|calign=usually CE, NE, LE; less often CN, TN<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Creation Domain|Creation]], [[SRD:Death Domain|Death]], [[SRD:Repose Domain|Repose]], [[SRD:Magic Domain|Magic]], [[SRD:Knowledge Domain|Knowledge]]<br />
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Lucifer was the first-born and most powerful of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Many mortals have conflated Lucifer with Satan. Lucifer was originally a great servant of righteousness. Because Lucifer was so righteous, Yulia allowed him to suckle her breasts more and more, which made Lucifer more and more powerful. He gained such power that he became an overdeity.<br />
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Lucifer was a handsome being, with wavy shoulder-length light brown hair and tanned skin. His irises were of a green-tinged light brown color, and glistened like crystal. As is common in archangels, he had 2 large wings attached to his back. His wings had white feathers. Lucifer wore only a very loosely wrapped white cloth sheet.<br />
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Eventually, Lucifer came to revel in his great power, and became corrupted by it. As far as evil characters go, Lucifer is unusual in that his evil comes not from an evil nature, but from the way that his great power warped his mind. Lucifer turned rogue, and used the material plane as fodder for exercising his great power. He viewed the lives of all mortals as worthless ants, and killed millions of them during his reign.<br />
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Lucifer usually did not fight with weapons, but he hardly needed to. Lucifer typically dealt with enemies with his white light attack, which consists of an enormous number of photons, like those released from a nuclear bomb. Lucifer could customize the power of his white light attack, ranging it's power from infinitesimal to extremely powerful. The white light attack was sufficiently powerful to quickly melt or vaporize most enemies. Lucifer could emanate powerful white light from any part on his body, but his most powerful white light attacks only emanated from the palm of his hand. In cases where an enemy actually managed to anger Lucifer however, he would not simply burn them away with the white light attack, but would subject them to horrific torment and disfigurement.<br />
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Lucifer's reign of terror was brought to an end when the archangel [[Athena (3.5e Deity)|Athena]] requested that Yulia enchant her curved and serrated dagger with great power. The dagger was enchanted with the power to damage the spirit along with the flesh. When Lucifer was raping Athena, she pulled out the concealed dagger and severed Lucifer's penis at it's base. Not only was Lucifer's penis severed in both flesh and spirit, but the decapitation destroyed Lucifer's spiritual integrity, which caused major rifts of scarring and burning damage throughout his body, and destroyed much of his angelic power. As Lucifer writhed in pain, Athena cast him out of the angelic realm. Lucifer was naked when he was cast out, having been in the process of rape.<br />
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The rifts of damage throughout Lucifer's body had created meandering lines of visible dark red-and-black scarring throughout his flesh. His irises became red as a consequence of internal bleeding. His hair follicles were damaged, causing his current hair to fall out, and causing his new hair to be rougher and duller in hue. Having lost his connections to the angelic, Lucifer's white feathers which were symbolic of good now fell out, and the new feathers which grew in were black.<br />
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After having been cast out of the realm of angels, Lucifer established his lair in an underground cavern in Gehenna.<br />
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Although Lucifer was defeated and lost much of his power, he was still the most powerful of the high archangels (though by a comparatively small margin), and he came to attract followers among the beings in the material plane. Lucifer, having lost the white cloth sheet which he had used as clothing, made a new cloth sheet, this one black, which he likewise wrapped around himself loosely, though not as loosely as he had wrapped his previous cloth. Unlike his previous cloth, he used this one to cover most of his body, including having part of it hang above his face as a hood, to shadow his scarred face.<br />
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Since Lucifer's white light attack had lost most of it's power, Lucifer sought to develop new powerful attacks. He developed his ability to cause decay in other beings and objects, and this became his most powerful attack, particularly when emanated from the palm of his hand (akin to his white light attack).<br />
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Lucifer teaches:<br />
<br>"Power and personal greatness and the pleasure thereof are the only things worth living for.<br />
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The clerics of Lucifer gain power from Lucifer himself, and this power has a corrupting effect on the mind. The more power the clerics get from Lucifer, the more warped and evil their minds become. Since this power turns beings evil, it is most often sought by beings who are already evil, although some neutral-aligned beings seek the power of Lucifer as well, for the sheer sake of power. Some of such neutral-aligned being have consequently been corrupted by the power of Lucifer and turned evil.<br />
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The clergy of Lucifer are widely hated. Even many evil-aligned beings hate the clerics of Lucifer, believing them to have too much power. Therefore many clerics of Lucifer are closet members. In imitation of Lucifer, the clerics of Lucifer wear loose black robes. In imitation of Lucifer, the clerics of Lucifer are always seeking greater power. At one time, some of Lucifer's most zealous male followers cut off their own penises so as to more closely resemble Lucifer, but that behavior stopped when Lucifer told his followers not to do so.<br />
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|sym=A ring of black thorny vine<br />
|plane=The Ethereal Plane<br />
|align=Chaotic Evil<br />
|port=Suffering, Torture, Suffocation, Nightmares, Horror<br />
|calign=Chaotic Evil<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Evil Domain|Evil]], [[SRD:Madness Domain|Madness]]<br />
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Hreth was spawned by the primordial divine energy, simultaneously with her sister [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], who is her opposite. Yulia is the embodiment of pleasure, whereas Hreth is the embodiment of suffering. Those two primordial sisters are among the most ancient of the gods, being only less ancient than [[Lohm (3.5e Deity)|Lohm]].<br />
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Unlike Yulia, Hreth has not spawned any archangels, nor otherwise worked on behalf of any ideal. Hreth is too chaotic to do so.<br />
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Yulia and Hreth are fundamentally linked together. They occupy the same place, but within parallel dimensions, in the ethereal plane. Whenever a being tries to summon Yulia, Hreth soon appears instead. Whenever a being tries to reach Yulia by going to her realm in the ethereal plane, Hreth will try to pull them over across to her own dimension, and the closer that one gets to Yulia, the stronger the pull. Only the rare beings whose souls are devoid of evil are immune to Hreth's pull.<br />
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Hreth is among the most feared of the gods, though she would easily be the most feared of all if she were not reclusive.<br />
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Like her sister Yulia, Hreth appears roughly like a nude adult female humanoid. Like Yulia, Hreth moves with her head leading and her body trailing behind, although Hreth's body trails at a diagonal angle in contrast to Yulia's which is completely horizontal. Like Yulia, Hreth has long and plentiful hair. Like Yulia, Hreth is surrounded by an aura of gaseous streams. Every other physical aspect about Yulia and Hreth is opposite. Hreth is dull black in color, as are the streams of gaseous aura that emanate from her body. Hreth's body is very skinny, sinewy, and shriveled, appearing sick, starved, and old. Hreth's hair is disheveled and wild, extending in all directions. Hreth's face is very ugly; her lips and cheeks are so shriveled and shrunken that they are receded, showing her teeth, her nose is shriveled and shrunken such that her nose is small and upturned, and her eyes are shriveled and shrunken deep into her eye sockets. Hreth's breasts are flattened, sagging, and shriveled.<br />
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Hreth's breasts can secrete a thick, black, oily substance akin to tar. In diametric contrast to Yulia's breast milk which imparts great pleasure, Hreth's breast milk imparts great suffering.<br />
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Hreth is too chaotic to have any real dogma. If Hreth has any dogma, it is simply: "Make every conscious being suffer!!"<br />
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The clerics of Hreth are very few in number, because Hreth is a very unpopular god. Even among evil-aligned beings she is unpopular. Only among some demon species, and some typically evil species of the material plane (such as drow elves, hags, and grimlocks) does Hreth have more-than-marginal popularity. Among non-drow elves, humans, dwarves, and gnomes, less than 1 percent are followers of Hreth. The followers of Hreth are only the most sadistic and/or mentally disturbed of beings.<br />
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The clerics of Hreth wear coarsely-cut black-stained hooded cloaks made of hide. They are often adorned with such things as raw bloody sinews and bloody pulled teeth. In addition to their hoods, they also often wear ugly masks. The clerics of Hreth practice self-mutilation and tooth-filing, as well as torturing animals and humanoids. Some of them also torture themselves.<br />
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The temples of Hreth are hidden away, most of them in swamps and forests. The temples of Hreth are small and crudely constructed. They are made with walls of large piled-up stones, with or without mortar to help hold them together, and the roof preferably consists of large stone slab(s), or, failing that, a bunch of branches. Weeds or other vegetation often grows on or around the temple. The temples lack an artificial floor, and are filthy inside- often infested with spiders or other vermin.<br />
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Athena is the second-born and second most powerful of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Athena was created to be the lover of the archangel [[Lucifer (3.5e Deity)|Lucifer]]. After Lucifer turned evil, Athena asked Yulia to enchant her dagger with the power to cut through spirit, and Yulia granted the request. Athena then refused to have sex with Lucifer. When Lucifer raped her, she used the enchanted dagger to sever Lucifer's penis at it's base, and as Lucifer writhed in pain, she cast him out of the realm of angels. Athena never had sex after that time, but she doesn't need to, because Lucifer's severed penis inside of her provides all the sexual pleasure she desires.<br />
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Athena monitors the souls of mortals, seeking out the most evil ones. Upon such evil beings she places a curse, which will turn their soul into a wretched blob known as a lemure upon their death.<br />
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Athena has pale skin, curly dark brown hair, and brown eyes. In contrast to mortal humans, Athena's flesh is rather hard, her muscles as hard as stone, and this makes her especially tough in battle. Because of the firmness of her flesh, Athena's breasts project out horizontally. As is common in archangels, Athena has 2 large wings attached to her back. Her wings have white feathers.<br />
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Athena wears an ancient-greek-style helmet which covers up much of her hair. The helmet usually has the visor tilted up, such that Athena's face is exposed. Athena wears a thin white cloth sheet that is wrapped around her, and she wears leather sandals, with straps that wrap around diagonally up her calves. She sometimes also carries a broad-bladed greatsword in a scabbard strapped to her back, particularly when she is leading armies of mortals.<br />
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In battle, Athena only uses a greatsword when fighting alongside mortals, so as to imitate the way that mortals fight. Since Athena has the strength of a god, she has no problem wielding the greatsword with one hand rather than two. Athena hardly needs to use a greatsword, or any weapon, due to her godly powers. Athena is able to make a very powerful attack by openning her mouth wide and shooting out a conical blast of bits of red-orange lava.<br />
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Athena's lair is in Venya, on Mount Celestia. Athena's lair is a marble temple on a mountainside that is covered with pine trees and snow. The temple has many tall columns of marble, supporting very high roofs.<br />
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Athena teaches her followers to defend the innocent, fight for liberty, and punish evil beings.<br />
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Athena's clergy dress in imitation of Athena, and follow Athena's teachings. In battle however, Athena's followers usually wear armor, since a thin white cloth sheet provides minimal protection.<br />
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Athena's temples are made in imitation of the style of Athena's lair, being made of marble, and incorporating marble columns.<br />
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|plane=Murcuria, Mount Celestia<br />
|align=Neutral Good<br />
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Apollo is the 3rd-born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Apollo was spawned after the archangel [[Lucifer (3.5e Deity)|Lucifer]] turned evil and was defeated not long after. Apollo was intended to be a replacement for Lucifer.<br />
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Apollo is a handsome being. He has tanned skin, semi-curly shoulder-length blond hair, and blue eyes. He is relatively effeminate for a male deity. As is common in archangels, Apollo has 2 large wings attached to his back. His wings have white feathers. Apollo has gained a reputation as the best male lover among the gods, and female deities and mortals have sought him out for him to make love to them.<br />
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Apollo wears a thin white cloth tunic, which covers his torso, shoulders, and pelvis, and reaches to mid-thigh. On top of that he wears a roman-style cuirass, as is common in male archangels. Apollo's cuirass is made of pure gold, and has simple embossed designs on it.<br />
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Apollo is not much of a fighter. Apollo is able to attack by forming balls of light in the palms of his hands and shooting them at opponents, but that is not a particularly powerful attack. In a fight against other powerful gods, Apollo typically can not hold his own, so he prefers to fight alongside other gods.<br />
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Apollo's lair is in Murcuria, on Mount Celestia. Apollo's lair is a large stationary cloud in the sky.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Apollo teaches:<br />
<br>"Beauty is a virtue. To serve beauty is to serve righteousness."<br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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The clergy of Apollo dress beautifully, wearing intricately detailed articles made of gold, silver, and copper. Such articles are padded underneath with cloth, so as to reduce the lightning hazard. The clergy of Apollo create beautiful things. <br />
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Apollo's temples are exceptionally beautiful. They are made of marble, and in the interior there are various paintings and sculptures, and even music boxes. The temples double as art museums. Since the temples of Apollo are often attacked by raiders and thieves, they are well guarded.<br />
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Aphrodite is the 5th and last born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]].<br />
Aphrodite was created so as to embody the love aspect of Yulia.<br />
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Aphrodite has semi-curly blonde hair that reaches down to her feet, as the hair of Yulia does. Aphrodite's breasts are large and long, and have large pink areolas. As is common in archangels, Aphrodite has 2 large wings attached to her back. Her wings have white feathers, and her feathers are particularly soft and fluffy. Aphrodite wears no clothes, and carries no weapon or other equipment.<br />
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Aphrodite is not much of a fighter at all. She prefers to avoid fights, only fighting when it is unavoidable. Aphrodite nonetheless has a powerful attack due to her godly power. Aphrodite can cause anything that her skin touches to loose strength in it's chemical bonds, and cause individual biological cells to detach from eachother, causing whatever she touches to turn into a semi-liquid mush.<br />
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Aphrodite's lair is in Amoria, in Elysium. Aphrodite's lair is in a roughly circular clearing in a forest. The clearing has green grass on the ground. At the center of the clearing is Aphrodite's lair. Aphrodite's lair is an unassuming cottage, made of stones & mortar, logs & tar, and a chimney. However, when one enters the clearing in the forest, one can feel the love emanating from the cottage. The cottage, and the green grassy clearing that surrounds it, is protected by very powerful magic, which reduces the power of any magical attacks to a minuscule fraction of their original power, and reduces the size of weapons and intended attackers to the size of mice. With the exception of attackers, being within the clearing causes any wounds or other ailments to slowly heal. Being within the cottage itself causes any wounds or other ailments to rapidly heal.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Aphrodite teaches that physical affection is a form of giving.<br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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The clerics of Aphrodite are nude when weather permits, in imitation of Aphrodite.<br />
The clerics of Aphrodite act by giving love and affection to good humanoids and animals that do not have it.<br />
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The temples of Aphrodite are modeled after Aphrodite's lair, being made like large cottages.<br />
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[[Category:Greater Deity]]</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=520092User talk:Archetyper2011-05-28T07:21:18Z<p>Archetyper: Jazzman831 says: People who bring light to malicious acts are 'denigrating other users'</p>
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== Banning ==<br />
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Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Jazzman831#Regarding Administrative Editing]]. --[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::With regard to your 1 week banning, this was the reason. Although unfortunate, those who vandalize pages (for example, see also [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]) normally get banned for longer lengths of time, and your edits are disregarding the scriptural base of [[God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)|God, Christian Faith]] and [[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai]] (e.g., who wants to include God, Christian Faith or Adonai into their campaign if its not correct?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 16 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Correcting the alignment to make it consistent with what the bible says is precisely what I was doing, and you know it. The Book of Revelation and the punishments prescribed in the Torah are quite clear on the matter. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 02:11, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== On Recent Reverts ==<br />
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Just a heads up, your pages were edited not because of a vendetta, but because of a new (or newly enforced) policy. It is policy that "User Categories" (such as yours) are being phased out, along with author templates. As part of this, Jazzman was doing his administrative duties by removing the categories that are no longer used. While I can't begin to assume I know why Jazzman started with you, my guess is it has to do with your username beginning with "A", considering before you was "AnimeOtaku137", and after you came "Arkangelkight", "Ehsteve", and others that continue on in alphabetical order. I'm sorry if you took this as an affront to you or your creations. You can still create lists of your contributions on your Userpage, but we no longer have user categories. You can read the discussion [[Template_talk:Author#Removal|here]]. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:That's actually quite unrelated. [[Special:NewPages]] may be of more interest to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:42, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::GD, after spending about twenty minutes looking over edit histories of Ehsteve, Archetyper, and Jazzman I can't figure out why you think a list of new pages would be important. Care to elaborate? The only edits Jazzman made to anything Archetyper wrote was removing the category "User:Archetyper" from the bottom of every page (and a few minor spelling corrections). Same for Ehsteve. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:44, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Just elaborating on what it's being phased out with. It's not being phased out with [[Template:Author]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::That NewPage thing doesn't seem to work. I don't think it's showing anything earlier than 2011 (though it did help me to find the link I was looking for (below).... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:37, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes, as you can tell by my [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110514234349&target=Jazzman831 contributions], the only thing you did to be singled out first was to have a name that started with the letter "A". As you can see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=user here], you are still the first one on the list. This policy has actually been around for a while, but like most things it gets sporadically enforced at best. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh, I just noticed your userpage as well. First of all, I thought we already discussed denegrating other users? As it is, I was not and am not aware of any reasoning to have a vendetta against Ehsteve. His last edit was October of 09; I had only had 11 edits at that point, most of which were grammar/spelling corrections in articles I was using for a game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:38, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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I have noticed that you and Green Dragon go out of your way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.<br />
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The fact is that anyone can see in your user contribution history that you deleted the user category from all of my articles just a few hours after the God, Christian Faith conflict, and anyone can see that I am one of only two users whose user categories you deleted from several articles. Unfortunately, your act of blocking me with the lie that I was trolling (which is what you were doing by repeatedly using false pretenses and false portrayal) does not appear in your user contributions, as that would have made your personal motive clear without even having to click on any edit. You have now also expended yet more time by deleting my user categories yet again, while having expended no time deleting anyone else's user categories.<br />
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I know that you are not actually trying to fool me, any more than a bully is trying to fool a person to whom he says "stop hitting yourself". By constantly making false pretenses for your malicious acts despite the fact that you know that I know that they are false, you are trolling me, apparently in an attempt to make me angry, and to get me to make some angry remark that might make me look bad.<br />
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And what do you mean when you say "I thought we already discussed denegrating other users"? Are you implying that what my userpage says is somehow denegrating? If so, then you are in gross violation of wikipedia's civility policy, which clearly classifies lies as a type of incivility.<br />
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As for Ehsteve and your relation to him, you and Green Dragon are close buddies, such that a conflict with one can be seen as a conflict with the other as well. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:54, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* clearly it doesn't actually matter what I say; I either I'm part of some vast conspiracy or I'm lying about being part of some vast conspiracy. (I would like to clarify one thing, though: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=Jazzman831&page=&year=&month=-1 here] is a list of users I've blocked. It's not hidden in any way.) Participate on the wiki if you want, but starting today we will have 0 tolerance for you denigrating other users (including using your userpage as a sounding board to complain about them), making polemical or vandalizing edits (including reversing alignments without any attempt at discussion or explanation), or anything generally nonconstructive. Call us hypocrites if you like (just not on the wiki, because that's that denigrating thing I mentioned), but if you hate it so much, nobody is making you participate. If you want to find another D&D-based wiki which has users who for whatever reason hate Green Dragon (and who will no doubt confirm that I actually have no idea who Ehsteve is), I would be more than happy to point you in the right direction. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:37, 27 May 2011 (MDT) PS: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Category_talk:User:Dj00345&oldid=515784 Check out this contribution history.]<br />
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Funny how you denigrate me as believing that you are "part of some vast conspiracy", and yet you claim to be opposed to denigration of users.<br />
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Your statement that you have no personal motivation against Ehsteve is plausible, because it might just be a coincidence that collateral damage hit ''him'', so I have no particular desire to argue on that point. I have therefore editted my user page by inserting the word 'probably'.<br />
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Funny how you use the word 'them' to refer to ''yourself'', in the statement "including using your userpage as a sounding board to complain about them". And by 'complain', you clearly mean 'speak of malicious acts which you would prefer to not be spoken of'. Furthermore you libellously call such noble reporting 'denigrating other users'. You are saying that people who bring light to malicious acts are perpetrating malicious acts, like saying that black is white and night is day.<br />
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Funny how you libellously portray my corrections of the alignments of God, Christian Faith and Adonai as 'polemical or vandalizing edits'. By twisting the truth to that extent, you are clearly trolling me, to try to get me to say some angry remark that you can use to call me uncivil. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:21, 28 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Archetyper&diff=520084User:Archetyper2011-05-28T06:22:56Z<p>Archetyper: </p>
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I originally thought that Jazzman831's vandalism of Ehsteve's articles was just collateral damage, used to help create a false pretense for vandalizing my own articles. But I have just looked at Ehsteve's user contributions, particularly those to Green Dragon's talk page, and I see now that Jazzman831's vandalism of Ehsteve's articles was probably personally motivated as well.</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=519963User talk:Archetyper2011-05-27T08:23:13Z<p>Archetyper: /* On Recent Reverts */</p>
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Formatting on D&D Wiki (or any wiki for that matter) can be very difficult, and if you need help a good place to start is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] on Wikipedia (or even their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Introduction] page). This will explain basic wiki formatting and should provide quite a few useful links that explain more specific areas of wiki formatting. Again, if you have any questions about formatting on D&D Wiki please ask them as, I imagine, anybody will be more than happy to help you get them answered.<br />
;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to ask specific D&D-related questions on [[DnD Discussion]]s. Anyway, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon ([[Image:Signature_icon.png]]). This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to enjoy D&D Wiki and the community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 21 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Banning ==<br />
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Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Jazzman831#Regarding Administrative Editing]]. --[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::With regard to your 1 week banning, this was the reason. Although unfortunate, those who vandalize pages (for example, see also [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]) normally get banned for longer lengths of time, and your edits are disregarding the scriptural base of [[God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)|God, Christian Faith]] and [[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai]] (e.g., who wants to include God, Christian Faith or Adonai into their campaign if its not correct?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 16 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Correcting the alignment to make it consistent with what the bible says is precisely what I was doing, and you know it. The Book of Revelation and the punishments prescribed in the Torah are quite clear on the matter. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 02:11, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== On Recent Reverts ==<br />
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Just a heads up, your pages were edited not because of a vendetta, but because of a new (or newly enforced) policy. It is policy that "User Categories" (such as yours) are being phased out, along with author templates. As part of this, Jazzman was doing his administrative duties by removing the categories that are no longer used. While I can't begin to assume I know why Jazzman started with you, my guess is it has to do with your username beginning with "A", considering before you was "AnimeOtaku137", and after you came "Arkangelkight", "Ehsteve", and others that continue on in alphabetical order. I'm sorry if you took this as an affront to you or your creations. You can still create lists of your contributions on your Userpage, but we no longer have user categories. You can read the discussion [[Template_talk:Author#Removal|here]]. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:That's actually quite unrelated. [[Special:NewPages]] may be of more interest to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:42, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::GD, after spending about twenty minutes looking over edit histories of Ehsteve, Archetyper, and Jazzman I can't figure out why you think a list of new pages would be important. Care to elaborate? The only edits Jazzman made to anything Archetyper wrote was removing the category "User:Archetyper" from the bottom of every page (and a few minor spelling corrections). Same for Ehsteve. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:44, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Just elaborating on what it's being phased out with. It's not being phased out with [[Template:Author]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes, as you can tell by my [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110514234349&target=Jazzman831 contributions], the only thing you did to be singled out first was to have a name that started with the letter "A". As you can see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=user here], you are still the first one on the list. This policy has actually been around for a while, but like most things it gets sporadically enforced at best. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh, I just noticed your userpage as well. First of all, I thought we already discussed denegrating other users? As it is, I was not and am not aware of any reasoning to have a vendetta against Ehsteve. His last edit was October of 09; I had only had 11 edits at that point, most of which were grammar/spelling corrections in articles I was using for a game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:38, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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I have noticed that you and Green Dragon go out of your way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.<br />
<br />
The fact is that anyone can see in your user contribution history that you deleted the user category from all of my articles just a few hours after the God, Christian Faith conflict, and anyone can see that I am one of only two users whose user categories you deleted from several articles. Unfortunately, your act of blocking me with the lie that I was trolling (which is what you were doing by repeatedly using false pretenses and false portrayal) does not appear in your user contributions, as that would have made your personal motive clear without even having to click on any edit. You have now also expended yet more time by deleting my user categories yet again, while having expended no time deleting anyone else's user categories.<br />
<br />
I know that you are not actually trying to fool me, any more than a bully is trying to fool a person to whom he says "stop hitting yourself". By constantly making false pretenses for your malicious acts despite the fact that you know that I know that they are false, you are trolling me, apparently in an attempt to make me angry, and to get me to make some angry remark that might make me look bad.<br />
<br />
And what do you mean when you say "I thought we already discussed denegrating other users"? Are you implying that what my userpage says is somehow denegrating? If so, then you are in gross violation of wikipedia's civility policy, which clearly classifies lies as a type of incivility.<br />
<br />
As for Ehsteve and your relation to him, you and Green Dragon are close buddies, such that a conflict with one can be seen as a conflict with the other as well. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:54, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=519962User talk:Archetyper2011-05-27T08:12:28Z<p>Archetyper: /* Banning */</p>
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;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to ask specific D&D-related questions on [[DnD Discussion]]s. Anyway, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon ([[Image:Signature_icon.png]]). This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to enjoy D&D Wiki and the community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 21 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Banning ==<br />
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Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Jazzman831#Regarding Administrative Editing]]. --[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::With regard to your 1 week banning, this was the reason. Although unfortunate, those who vandalize pages (for example, see also [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]) normally get banned for longer lengths of time, and your edits are disregarding the scriptural base of [[God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)|God, Christian Faith]] and [[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai]] (e.g., who wants to include God, Christian Faith or Adonai into their campaign if its not correct?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 16 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Correcting the alignment to make it consistent with what the bible says is precisely what I was doing, and you know it. The Book of Revelation and the punishments prescribed in the Torah are quite clear on the matter. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 02:11, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== On Recent Reverts ==<br />
<br />
Just a heads up, your pages were edited not because of a vendetta, but because of a new (or newly enforced) policy. It is policy that "User Categories" (such as yours) are being phased out, along with author templates. As part of this, Jazzman was doing his administrative duties by removing the categories that are no longer used. While I can't begin to assume I know why Jazzman started with you, my guess is it has to do with your username beginning with "A", considering before you was "AnimeOtaku137", and after you came "Arkangelkight", "Ehsteve", and others that continue on in alphabetical order. I'm sorry if you took this as an affront to you or your creations. You can still create lists of your contributions on your Userpage, but we no longer have user categories. You can read the discussion [[Template_talk:Author#Removal|here]]. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:That's actually quite unrelated. [[Special:NewPages]] may be of more interest to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:42, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::GD, after spending about twenty minutes looking over edit histories of Ehsteve, Archetyper, and Jazzman I can't figure out why you think a list of new pages would be important. Care to elaborate? The only edits Jazzman made to anything Archetyper wrote was removing the category "User:Archetyper" from the bottom of every page (and a few minor spelling corrections). Same for Ehsteve. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:44, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Just elaborating on what it's being phased out with. It's not being phased out with [[Template:Author]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes, as you can tell by my [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110514234349&target=Jazzman831 contributions], the only thing you did to be singled out first was to have a name that started with the letter "A". As you can see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=user here], you are still the first one on the list. This policy has actually been around for a while, but like most things it gets sporadically enforced at best. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh, I just noticed your userpage as well. First of all, I thought we already discussed denegrating other users? As it is, I was not and am not aware of any reasoning to have a vendetta against Ehsteve. His last edit was October of 09; I had only had 11 edits at that point, most of which were grammar/spelling corrections in articles I was using for a game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:38, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
I have noticed that you and Green Dragon go out of your way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.<br />
<br />
The fact is that anyone can see in your user contribution history that you deleted the user category from all of my articles just a few hours after the God, Christian Faith conflict, and anyone can see that I am one of only two users whose user categories you deleted from several articles. Unfortunately, your act of blocking me with the lie that I was trolling (which is what you were doing by repeatedly using false pretenses and false portrayal) does not appear in your user contributions, as that would have made your personal motive clear without even having to click on any edit. You have now also expended yet more time by deleting my user categories yet again, while having expended no time deleting anyone else's user categories.<br />
<br />
I know that you are not actually trying to fool me, any more than a bully is trying to fool a person to whom he says "stop hitting yourself". By constantly making false pretenses for your malicious acts despite the fact that you know that I know that they are false, you are trolling me, apparently in an attempt to make me angry, and to get me to make some angry remark that might make me look bad.<br />
<br />
And what do you mean when you say "I thought we already discussed denegrating other users"? Are you implying that what my userpage says is somehow denegrating? If so, then you are in gross violation of wikipedia's civility policy, which clearly classifies lies as a type of incivility.<br />
<br />
As for Ehsteve and your relation to him, do not pretend that you and Green Dragon are not close buddies, such that a conflict with one is seen as a conflict with the other as well. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:54, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=519961User talk:Archetyper2011-05-27T08:11:16Z<p>Archetyper: /* Banning */</p>
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If you have any questions about a specific page please ask it on that pages talk page. All other questions should be asked to another; user, admin, or me, the owner ([http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new ask me a question]).<br />
;Formatting<br />
Formatting on D&D Wiki (or any wiki for that matter) can be very difficult, and if you need help a good place to start is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] on Wikipedia (or even their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Introduction] page). This will explain basic wiki formatting and should provide quite a few useful links that explain more specific areas of wiki formatting. Again, if you have any questions about formatting on D&D Wiki please ask them as, I imagine, anybody will be more than happy to help you get them answered.<br />
;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to ask specific D&D-related questions on [[DnD Discussion]]s. Anyway, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon ([[Image:Signature_icon.png]]). This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to enjoy D&D Wiki and the community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 21 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
<br />
== Banning ==<br />
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Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Jazzman831#Regarding Administrative Editing]]. --[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::With regard to your 1 week banning, this was the reason. Although unfortunate, those who vandalize pages (for example, see also [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]) normally get banned for longer lengths of time, and your edits are disregarding the scriptural base of [[God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)|God, Christian Faith]] and [[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai]] (e.g., who wants to include God, Christian Faith or Adonai into their campaign if its not correct?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 16 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Correcting the alignment to make it consistent with what the bible says is precisely what I was doing, and you know it. The Book of Revelation and the punishments prescribed in the Torah are quite clear on the matter. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 02:11, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== On Recent Reverts ==<br />
<br />
Just a heads up, your pages were edited not because of a vendetta, but because of a new (or newly enforced) policy. It is policy that "User Categories" (such as yours) are being phased out, along with author templates. As part of this, Jazzman was doing his administrative duties by removing the categories that are no longer used. While I can't begin to assume I know why Jazzman started with you, my guess is it has to do with your username beginning with "A", considering before you was "AnimeOtaku137", and after you came "Arkangelkight", "Ehsteve", and others that continue on in alphabetical order. I'm sorry if you took this as an affront to you or your creations. You can still create lists of your contributions on your Userpage, but we no longer have user categories. You can read the discussion [[Template_talk:Author#Removal|here]]. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:That's actually quite unrelated. [[Special:NewPages]] may be of more interest to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:42, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::GD, after spending about twenty minutes looking over edit histories of Ehsteve, Archetyper, and Jazzman I can't figure out why you think a list of new pages would be important. Care to elaborate? The only edits Jazzman made to anything Archetyper wrote was removing the category "User:Archetyper" from the bottom of every page (and a few minor spelling corrections). Same for Ehsteve. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:44, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Just elaborating on what it's being phased out with. It's not being phased out with [[Template:Author]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes, as you can tell by my [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110514234349&target=Jazzman831 contributions], the only thing you did to be singled out first was to have a name that started with the letter "A". As you can see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=user here], you are still the first one on the list. This policy has actually been around for a while, but like most things it gets sporadically enforced at best. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh, I just noticed your userpage as well. First of all, I thought we already discussed denegrating other users? As it is, I was not and am not aware of any reasoning to have a vendetta against Ehsteve. His last edit was October of 09; I had only had 11 edits at that point, most of which were grammar/spelling corrections in articles I was using for a game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:38, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
I have noticed that you and Green Dragon go out of your way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.<br />
<br />
The fact is that anyone can see in your user contribution history that you deleted the user category from all of my articles just a few hours after the God, Christian Faith conflict, and anyone can see that I am one of only two users whose user categories you deleted from several articles. Unfortunately, your act of blocking me with the lie that I was trolling (which is what you were doing by repeatedly using false pretenses and false portrayal) does not appear in your user contributions, as that would have made your personal motive clear without even having to click on any edit. You have now also expended yet more time by deleting my user categories yet again, while having expended no time deleting anyone else's user categories.<br />
<br />
I know that you are not actually trying to fool me, any more than a bully is trying to fool a person to whom he says "stop hitting yourself". By constantly making false pretenses for your malicious acts despite the fact that you know that I know that they are false, you are trolling me, apparently in an attempt to make me angry, and to get me to make some angry remark that might make me look bad.<br />
<br />
And what do you mean when you say "I thought we already discussed denegrating other users"? Are you implying that what my userpage says is somehow denegrating? If so, then you are in gross violation of wikipedia's civility policy, which clearly classifies lies as a type of incivility.<br />
<br />
As for Ehsteve and your relation to him, do not pretend that you and Green Dragon are not close buddies, such that a conflict with one is seen as a conflict with the other as well. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:54, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=519960User talk:Archetyper2011-05-27T07:54:46Z<p>Archetyper: I have noticed that Jazzman831 and Green Dragon go out of their way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.</p>
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<div>== Welcome to D&D Wiki! == <br />
<br />
;Welcome!<br />
Hello Archetyper and welcome to D&D Wiki. I hope you have been enjoying D&D Wiki and I hope you have been finding the information here useful. Before you start contributing it is recommended you make sure your [[Special:Preferences|user preferences]] match your preferences. I am an admin (and, actually, the owner as well). Everything relating to admins can be found [[Meta Pages#Administration|here]].<br />
;Questions:<br />
If you have any questions about a specific page please ask it on that pages talk page. All other questions should be asked to another; user, admin, or me, the owner ([http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new ask me a question]).<br />
;Formatting<br />
Formatting on D&D Wiki (or any wiki for that matter) can be very difficult, and if you need help a good place to start is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] on Wikipedia (or even their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Introduction] page). This will explain basic wiki formatting and should provide quite a few useful links that explain more specific areas of wiki formatting. Again, if you have any questions about formatting on D&D Wiki please ask them as, I imagine, anybody will be more than happy to help you get them answered.<br />
;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to ask specific D&D-related questions on [[DnD Discussion]]s. Anyway, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon ([[Image:Signature_icon.png]]). This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to enjoy D&D Wiki and the community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 21 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
<br />
== Banning ==<br />
<br />
Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
:See also [[User talk:Jazzman831#Regarding Administrative Editing]]. --[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
::With regard to your 1 week banning, this was the reason. Although unfortunate, those who vandalize pages (for example, see also [[MediaWiki:Ipbreason-dropdown]]) normally get banned for longer lengths of time, and your edits are disregarding the scriptural base of [[God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)|God, Christian Faith]] and [[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai]] (e.g., who wants to include God, Christian Faith or Adonai into their campaign if its not correct?). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:46, 16 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
== On Recent Reverts ==<br />
<br />
Just a heads up, your pages were edited not because of a vendetta, but because of a new (or newly enforced) policy. It is policy that "User Categories" (such as yours) are being phased out, along with author templates. As part of this, Jazzman was doing his administrative duties by removing the categories that are no longer used. While I can't begin to assume I know why Jazzman started with you, my guess is it has to do with your username beginning with "A", considering before you was "AnimeOtaku137", and after you came "Arkangelkight", "Ehsteve", and others that continue on in alphabetical order. I'm sorry if you took this as an affront to you or your creations. You can still create lists of your contributions on your Userpage, but we no longer have user categories. You can read the discussion [[Template_talk:Author#Removal|here]]. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:That's actually quite unrelated. [[Special:NewPages]] may be of more interest to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:42, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
::GD, after spending about twenty minutes looking over edit histories of Ehsteve, Archetyper, and Jazzman I can't figure out why you think a list of new pages would be important. Care to elaborate? The only edits Jazzman made to anything Archetyper wrote was removing the category "User:Archetyper" from the bottom of every page (and a few minor spelling corrections). Same for Ehsteve. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:44, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Just elaborating on what it's being phased out with. It's not being phased out with [[Template:Author]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
Yes, as you can tell by my [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20110514234349&target=Jazzman831 contributions], the only thing you did to be singled out first was to have a name that started with the letter "A". As you can see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACategories&from=user here], you are still the first one on the list. This policy has actually been around for a while, but like most things it gets sporadically enforced at best. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:32, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
:Oh, I just noticed your userpage as well. First of all, I thought we already discussed denegrating other users? As it is, I was not and am not aware of any reasoning to have a vendetta against Ehsteve. His last edit was October of 09; I had only had 11 edits at that point, most of which were grammar/spelling corrections in articles I was using for a game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:38, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
I have noticed that you and Green Dragon go out of your way to create false pretenses for malicious acts.<br />
<br />
The fact is that anyone can see in your user contribution history that you deleted the user category from all of my articles just a few hours after the God, Christian Faith conflict, and anyone can see that I am one of only two users whose user categories you deleted from several articles. Unfortunately, your act of blocking me with the lie that I was trolling (which is what you were doing by repeatedly using false pretenses and false portrayal) does not appear in your user contributions, as that would have made your personal motive clear without even having to click on any edit. You have now also expended yet more time by deleting my user categories yet again, while having expended no time deleting anyone else's user categories.<br />
<br />
I know that you are not actually trying to fool me, any more than a bully is trying to fool a person to whom he says "stop hitting yourself". By constantly making false pretenses for your malicious acts despite the fact that you know that I know that they are false, you are trolling me, apparently in an attempt to make me angry, and to get me to make some angry remark that might make me look bad.<br />
<br />
And what do you mean when you say "I thought we already discussed denegrating other users"? Are you implying that what my userpage says is somehow denegrating? If so, then you are in gross violation of wikipedia's civility policy, which clearly classifies lies as a type of incivility.<br />
<br />
As for Ehsteve and your relation to him, do not pretend that you and Green Dragon are not close buddies, such that a conflict with one is seen as a conflict with the other as well. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:54, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=519959Help talk:D&D Links2011-05-27T07:03:50Z<p>Archetyper: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Abomination_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)&diff=519804Abomination (3.5e Prestige Class)2011-05-26T06:55:37Z<p>Archetyper: rv personally-motivated vandalism under false pretense by Jazzman831</p>
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==Abomination==<br />
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Abominations have been present throughout history, some making themselves well known such as the Frankenstein monster, whilst many have tried to emulate their hideous appearance. It takes a truly twisted and deformed mind to create such a being, though it takes much more vision to become one as opposed to giving life to one. In the beginning stages of one's progression to become a true abomination against nature, the creature must first find their true inner hunger, the primal urge to feed until they cannot feed any longer, to sate their desire upon any being, living or deceased, moving or not. In their development, the creature will usually drape themselves in the skins and flesh of their defeated opponents once they have devoured and butchered all compatible parts of their prey, stitching twitching limbs onto their own body, replacing old, disused organs with those more superior, arms, legs, everything except the mind, which retains their never-ending hunger to improve themselves, to find faster and more efficient ways to feed. In the later stages, the changes are truly horrifying, disease and poisonous liquids ripple under bloated, discolored skin, reeking of the most foul scent to ever be excreted by any member of that race, to smell like the dead walking - only worse. The tragic ending of an abomination is usually due to multiple organ failure, coated with so much meat they simply cannot find the means to strip themselves of it and reach the necrotised layers below, often black and festering. However they can survive through staggering amounts of punishment, disease and poisons rarely affecting them directly, having to work through layers of already diseased flesh in order to reach the most vulnerable inner organs, using less harmful bacteria to combat further infection in a perverted sense of the word 'symbiotic'. The secret to success as an Abomination is to find a system to constant removal of carrion in direct contact with the vital organs<br />
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Most abominations are truly insane, butchering, feeding, and roaming as they search for another means to sate their hunger, no thought apart from that of their next mouthful of the living. However, there are those who retain a twisted sense of reality, able to understand and even control their appetite in order to harness the true potential of the abomination, hiding under a mask of unnatural youth they instead do not add and remove bits and pieces of their former bodies, instead replenishing large parts of their personage and making the seams between foreign flesh and their own disappear, as if they were originally one piece, body snatchers in their most deadly form, completely conscious of their actions.<br />
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===Becoming an Abomination===<br />
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Characters pursue the abomination prestige class to become a monster that can disable opponents in combat. Most characters will enter this class from the barbarian class, but fighters, rangers, and rogues are not uncommon.<br />
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{| class="d20 dragon monstats" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"<br />
|+ style="font-size: larger; white-space: nowrap;" | Entry Requirements<br />
|-<br />
! Alignment:<br />
| Any evil.<br />
|-<br />
! Base Attack Bonus:<br />
| +5.<br />
|-<br />
! Skills:<br />
| [[Intimidate]] 8 ranks.<br />
|-<br />
! Feats:<br />
| Willing Deformity<sup>BoVD</sup><br />
|-<br />
! Special:<br />
| The creature taking this Prestige Class must have a [[Constitution]] score.<br />
|} <br />
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{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+ <div>{{#anc:Table: The Abomination}}</div><br />
<p>Hit Die: d12</p><br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Flesh Barrier<br>AC Bonus<br />
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! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 1st || +1 || +2 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" |[[#Cannibalize|Cannibalize]], [[#Unsightly|Unsightly]], [[#Must Feed!|Must Feed!]], [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] || +1<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 2nd || +2 || +3 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |[[#Fortification|Fortification]] 25%, [[#Master of the Flesh|Master of the Flesh]] || +1<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 3rd || +3 || +3 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" | [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] || +1<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 4th || +4 || +4 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" | [[#Improved Grab|Improved Grab]], [[#So Hungry...|So Hungry...]] || +2<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 5th || +5 || +4 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification]] 50%, [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] || +2<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 6th || +6 || +5 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" | [[#Meat Hook|Meat Hook]] || +2<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 7th || +7 || +5 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" | [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] || +3<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 8th || +8 || +6 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification]] 75%, [[#Massive Bulk|Massive Bulk]] || +3<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 9th || +9 || +6 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" | [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] || +3<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 10th || +10 || +7 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" | [[#Fortification|Fortification]] 100%, [[#Living Dead|Living Dead]] || +4<br />
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'''Class Skills (2 + [[Int]] modifier per level)'''<br/><br />
The abomination’s class skills (and the key ability for each skill) are [[Climb]] ([[Str]]), [[SRD:Craft Skill|Craft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Intimidate Skill|Intimidate]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Jump Skill|Jump]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Profession Skill|Profession]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Spot Skill|Spot]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim Skill|Swim]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]).<br />
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| 11th|| class="left" | || +4<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 12th|| class="left" | || +4<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 13th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]] || +5<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 14th|| class="left" | || +5<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 15th|| class="left" | || +5<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 16th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]] || +6<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 17th|| class="left" | || +6<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 18th|| class="left" | || +6<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 19th|| class="left" | [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feat]] || +7<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 20th|| class="left" | || +7<br />
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====Class Features====<br />
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All of the following are class features of the abomination.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Cannibalize}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 1st level, an abomination has the ability to consume fresh corpses and repair their own deformed bodies with surgical supplementation. The abomination can spend a [[standard action]] to devour a body that has been dead for no longer than one day. After consuming part of the corpse, he heals 2 [[SRD:Loss of Hit Points|Hit Points]] per racial [[Hit Dice|Hit Die]] of the deceased creature (2 hitpoints if the creature has no racial HD). If the amount healed would raise him above his maximum hitpoints, he gains he remainder as temporary hitpoints, to a maximum of twice his abomination class level. A corpse can only be cannibalized once and only consumes part of the corpse.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Must Feed!}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 1st level, the abomination gains an incredible hunger for living flesh. To feed his hunger he bites off pieces of his prey and revels in the prey's pain and suffering. The abomination gains a bite attack if he does not already have one, that deals 1d6 damage + his Strength modifier (for medium abominations). See [[SRD:Weapon_Qualities#Damage|Table: Weapon Damage by Size]] for larger or smaller abominations.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Unsightly}} ([[Ex]]):''' An abomination did not simply get named as such as some sort of joke, they are physically repulsive and continue to degrade drastically as they continue down the path of self-mutilation. Starting at 1st level, the abomination takes a -2 penalty on all charisma-based checks (except [[Use Magic Device]] and [[Intimidate]]) and gains a +2 bonus to [[Intimidate]] checks against living creatures for every [[#Mutilation|Mutilation]] he gains.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Flesh Barrier}} ([[Ex]]):''' By draping his body in the carrion of his fallen enemies, the abomination lumbers around coated in a layer of the dead which may shield him from the full impact of physical harm. Starting at 1st level the abomination gains a +1 bonus to armor class. This bonus increases every three levels thereafter (+2 at 4th, +3 at 7th, +4 at 10th).<br />
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'''{{#anc:Mutilation}}:''' At 1st level and every other level thereafter, the abomination chooses one of the following mutilations to add to his body:<br />
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''Bloated Body ([[Ex]]):'' The body of the abomination swells from either infection or the sheer mass of flesh he acquired from cannibalizing corpses. The abomination's size increases by one size category. This mutilation can be selected a second time starting at 7th level.<br />
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''Gaping Maw ([[Ex]]):'' The abomination's mouth opens wide and unhinging his jaw, he latches onto his prey and consumes it whole. The abomination may now devour a creature equal to his own size category when he decides to use the [[SRD:Swallow Whole|Swallow Whole]] ability. His stomach capacity doubles (which allows one creature of his own size category). The acid damage dealt to creatures inside his stomach is also increased to 1d6 per two abomination class levels. This mutilation may only be selected once the abomination gains the [[SRD:Swallow Whole|Swallow Whole]] feature.<br />
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''Reprehensible Stench ([[Ex]]):'' The abomination releases a foul-scented cloud of decaying matter, potentially sickening those in an area around him. As a [[standard action]], the abomination can project a poison cloud in a 10 foot radius that remains centered on him for 10 minutes. Any living, breathing creature inside the poison cloud must make a [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 HD + [[Con]]) or become [[SRD:Sickened|sickened]]. If a creature fails its first saving throw and is still inside the poison cloud during the next round, the creature must make another [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throw or become [[SRD:Nauseated|nauseated]] as well. Each round the creature may make [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throws to remove the sickened and nauseated conditions. When a creature makes a single successful saving throw against an abomination's ''reprehensible stench'', it cannot be affected by the same abomination's ''reprehensible stench'' for 24 hours.<br />
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''Shed Flesh ([[Ex]]):'' Once per day, an abomination may peel off the diseased excess layers of skin, rotting flesh, and cadaver in an explosive manner, coating the surrounding area in fetid waste and at the same time relieving him of unwanted weight, disease and infection. As a [[standard action]], the abomination can shed excess flesh in order to remove any current temporary [[SRD:Ability Score Loss|ability score loss]] and [[SRD:Energy Drain, Negative Levels, and Level Loss|energy drains]] such as [[Ability_drain#Ability_Drain|ability drain]], [[SRD:Ability Burn|ability burn]], and [[Level_loss#Negative_Levels|negative levels]]. If he activates this ability during a [[SRD:grapple|grapple]], he may immediately make a grapple check with a bonus equal to his abomination class level to escape the grapple. Any creatures within 10 feet of an abomination using this ability must make a [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throw (DC 10 + 1/2 HD + Abomination's [[Constitution]] modifier) or become [[shaken]] for one round.<br />
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''Gruesome Appendage ([[Ex]]):'' The abomination, through a rather grotesque and barbaric process, removed an arm extension from a living creature and sewed the appendage onto his own body. The abomination gains a fully functional extra arm. It can be placed wherever the abomination decides to place it (this has no mechanical game effect). This mutilation can be taken a second time starting at 5th level.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Fortification}} ([[Ex]]):''' As the layers of flesh and cadaver builds up upon the abomination's own body, it becomes increasingly hard to strike at the vital areas, covered by multiple layers of varying origin. At 2nd level, the abomination gains a 25% chance to avoid the extra damage granted by an attacker's [[Sneak_attack#Class_Features|sneak attack]] or [[Critical_hit#Critical_Hits|critical hit]] like the [[SRD:Fortification|light fortification]] armor ability. This chance increases to 50% at 5th level, 75% at 8th level, and 100% at 10th level.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Master of the Flesh}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 2nd level, the abomination allows the diseases and toxins that are present in the flesh he wears to battle against foreign infections. He gains immunity to disease and poison of both a mundane and magical nature.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Improved Grab}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 4th level an abomination gains the [[Improved Grab]] feature with his bite attacks.<br />
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'''{{#anc:So Hungry...}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 4th level an abomination can attempt to completely consume the creature he is biting, forcing it down his gullet and digesting it whilst it still lives. He may now [[SRD:Swallow Whole|Swallow Whole]] his opponents. After being swallowed, the creature is dealt his bite damage(as Bludgeoning) plus an additional 2d4 acid damage from his corrosive stomach acid. To escape his stomach, the creature must use a light piercing or slashing weapon to deal (Abomination's class level + 2 x [[Constitution]] modifier) damage to his throat or stomach lining, which has an AC equal to 10 + the abomination's [[Constitution]] modifier + 1/2 the abomination's natural armor bonus. His stomach has room for one creature that is one size category smaller than him, two creatures that are two size categories smaller, four creatures that are three size categories smaller, etc. Any creature that is killed inside his stomach immediately counts as being Cannibalized.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Meat Hook}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 6th level an abomination can fire a barbed hook that is strung along a 30 ft. length of intestines. As a [[standard action]], the abomination makes a ranged touch attack against a target within 30 ft. If he hits, the target takes 1d6 damage per abomination level and must make an opposed strength check against the abomination. The the target fails the strength check, it is moved adjacent to the abomination and the abomination can make a free trip attempt against the target.<br />
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The intestines attached to the meat hook have a hardness of 1/3 the abomination's class level and hitpoints of 1/2 the abomination's class level. It takes the abomination 1 hour and a fresh corpse to rebuild its meat hook. The meat hook may be concealed inside the abomination's stomach as a [[SRD:Full-Round Actions|full-round action]] which does not provoke an [[SRD:Attacks of Opportunity|attack of opportunity]], the abomination gains a +10 to this [[Sleight of Hand|sleight of hand]] check.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Massive Bulk}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 8th level, the abomination can use its mountainous bulk to absorb attacks. Against any spell or ability that requires a [[SRD:Reflex|Reflex]] saving throw, he can make a [[SRD:Fortitude|Fortitude]] saving throw instead.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Living Dead}} ([[Ex]]):''' At 10th level, the abomination has become a monstrous fusion of undeath and organic flesh. He is treated as Undead for spells and effects, with a turn resistance of half his abomination class level. He gains the following traits:<br />
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* Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, phantasms, patterns, and morale effects).<br />
* Immunity to sleep effects, [[SRD:Paralyzed|paralysis]], [[SRD:Stunned|stunning]], and [[SRD:Death Effect|death effects]].<br />
* Not subject to [[SRD:Nonlethal Damage|nonlethal damage]], [[SRD:Ability Drained|ability drain]], or [[SRD:Energy Drain, Negative Levels, and Level Loss|energy drain]]. Immune to [[SRD:Fatigued|fatigue]] and [[SRD:Exhausted|exhaustion]] effects.<br />
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'''Epic [[#Bonus Feats|Bonus Feats]]:''' The epic abomination gains a bonus feat (selected from the list of epic abomination bonus feats) every three levels after 20th. <br />
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''Epic Abomination Bonus Feat List:'' [[SRD:Armor Skin|Armor Skin]], [[SRD:Damage Reduction|Damage Reduction]], [[SRD:Devastating Critical|Devastating Critical]], [[SRD:Dire Charge|Dire Charge]], [[SRD:Energy Resistance|Energy Resistance]], [[SRD:Epic Endurance|Epic Endurance]], [[SRD:Epic Leadership|Epic Leadership]], [[SRD:Epic Prowess|Epic Prowess]], [[SRD:Epic Toughness|Epic Toughness]], [[SRD:Epic Weapon Focus|Epic Weapon Focus]], [[SRD:Improved Whirlwind Attack|Improved Whirlwind Attack]], [[SRD:Legendary Wrestler|Legendary Wrestler]], [[SRD:Overwhelming Critical|Overwhelming Critical]], [[SRD:Penetrate Damage Reduction|Penetrate Damage Reduction]], [[SRD:Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting|Perfect Two-Weapon Fighting]], [[SRD:Spellcasting Harrier|Spellcasting Harrier]], [[SRD:Two-Weapon Rend|Two-Weapon Rend]], [[SRD:Uncanny Accuracy|Uncanny Accuracy]].<br />
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====Playing an Abomination====<br />
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'''Combat:''' Abominations can be used to lock down and disable enemies. They have several options including their reprehensible stench, swallow whole, and meat hook to disable enemies.<br />
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'''Advancement:''' Abominations do best with melee-based prestige classes such as Frenzied Berserker<sup>[[Complete Warrior|CW]]</sup>.<br />
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'''Resources:''' Abominations have no friendly organizations. Sometimes they have the support of a master, but that is the most help they will ever get.<br />
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====Abominations in the World====<br />
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{{quote|Human flesh tastes twice as good when the heart is still actively pumping the blood.|4="The Brute", human abomination}}<br />
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Abominations have no proper place in the world that they could ever call home. It is hard to justify accepting a creature that will eat members of any intelligent race including its own. Some people will be able to direct an abomination's hunger toward a particular goal. When that goal is complete though, it usually becomes wise for those people to keep their distance from the creature. Some abominations are able to find groups of murderous creatures that will accept them, but few stay for very long.<br />
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'''NPC Reactions:''' Most NPCs will run away. Abominations like to eat people, so this course of action is pretty logical. Some NPCs take it upon themselves to hunt down abominations; most end up becoming dessert.<br />
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====Abomination Lore====<br />
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Characters with ranks in [[SRD:Knowledge|knowledge]] (religion) can research abominations to learn more about them. When a character makes a skill check, read or paraphrase the following, including information from lower DCs.<br />
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{| class="d20" {{#vardefine: odd | 0}}<br />
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| 11 || class="left" | Abominations are cannibalistic creatures that have an unending appetite and cover themselves with the flesh of creatures.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 16 || class="left" | Some abominations can eat creatures whole.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 21 || class="left" | Abominations fight with several vicious techniques that make them difficult to escape from.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even|{{#var:odd}}}}"<br />
| 26 || class="left" | A result of 26 or higher can bring out information about specific abominations, lore about them, their location, and recent activities.<br />
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====Abominations in the Game====<br />
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Abominations can be the type of creature that rampages across the countryside leaving devoured bodies in its wake. They also can be a secretive serial killer in a big city. Sometimes they are just the pet of some greater evil lord.<br />
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'''Adaptation:''' An abomination can be a lurking evil within any peaceful society. They might be a minion of an evil leader as well.<br />
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'''Sample Encounter:''' Pudge, a human Abomination was thrown out of his barbarian tribe for his cannibalistic tenancies. He now is on his way home to turn his tribe into a new layer of flesh for his body and a large meal.<br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=A white lily<br />
|plane=The Ethereal Plane<br />
|align=Neutral Good<br />
|port=Angels and Archangels, Light, Love, Breastfeeding, Childbirth, Pleasure, Beauty, Delicacy<br />
|calign=Neutral Good, Chaotic Good<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Good Domain|Good]], [[SRD:Healing Domain|Healing]], [[SRD:Glory Domain|Glory]]<br />
|favweap=None<br />
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Yulia was spawned by the primordial divine energy, simultaneously with her sister [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], who is her opposite.<br />
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Yulia is the progenitor of angels and archangels. She has been known as 'the holy ghost', though this is probably not the same 'holy ghost' that is mentioned in christianity. With very rare exceptions, Yulia dwells in the ethereal plane and has little influence upon the material plain. Even within the ethereal plain, Yulia dwells in a far-off and isolated area, concealed by a large expanse of semitransparent white fog. Yulia shuns the material plane, and if she is forcibly summoned out into the material plane, her horrific power is unleashed upon those who summon her.<br />
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Yulia is more-or-less humanoid in form. As a result of her great power, and status as an overdiety, Yulia has a semi-ethereal form. She is a nude female, who is white in color and semi-transparent, and has semi-transparent white ethereal gas emanating from her. She also has very long hair that reaches down to her feet, and this hair surrounds her body and mingles with the emanating gas. She moves around kind of like a mermaid, with her back arched backward such that she faces forward, and her arms, legs, and lower torso point backward, trailing behind. But unlike a mermaid, her propulsion is magical and therefore does not involve physical propulsive movements.<br />
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Yulia never carries any weapons, or any other objects for that matter, nor does she ever wear any clothing or armor of any kind. Because she is semi-ethereal, she does not interact with such solid objects normally. In the presence of Yulia, material beings, objects, spirits, and gods alike become semi-liquid and warped around like taffy. That also happens to the high archangels that she herself has spawned, but said archangels are unique in that they revert to their previous state after leaving the presence of Yulia.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Yulia does not particularly seek followers or have dogma, being as she is mostly reclusive on the ethereal plane. Yulia's followers act by her example. The resulting dogma can be summed up as: "Love and nurture that which is good and delicate. Appreciate silence, stillness, and beauty.".<br />
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In imitation of Yulia's appearance, the clergy of Yulia wear a white semi-transparent gossamer fabric which covers their entire body, including their face, and they wear nothing else, except in cold weather. The clergy of Yulia are dedicated to helping good beings, both intelligent beings and animals.<br />
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|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=A dead leaf blowing in the wind<br />
|plane=The Material Plane<br />
|align=True Neutral<br />
|port=Death, Unconsciousness, Forgetting, Impermanence, Indifference<br />
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If there is any god that is the most ancient of all gods, it is Lohm. Lohm was spawned by the primordial divine energy, which split in two to form the god Lohm, and a cloud of what could be called 'divine life energy', which counterbalanced the death and impermanence that Lohm embodied. The divine life energy then spawned the two sisters [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], the god of pleasure, and [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], the god of suffering.<br />
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Lohm lacks a particularly defined form, but when she appears she looks vaguely like a gray-colored adolescent girl with straight hair and a blank expression on her face. She is neither beautiful nor ugly, but plain-looking, though she is rarely seen clearly enough to make that judgment anyway. When she is seen, which is rare, it is only as a head, not an entire body. Lohm appears vaguely in the shapes of clouds, or appears in a barely-visible transparent form in the air. Lohm never exists in a form that is both opaque and well-defined.<br />
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Lohm dwells in the atmosphere of the material plane, usually invisibly, seeking out beings who are lost or otherwise alone or apart from society, whose souls she seeks to reap when they die. She also reaps the souls of her own clerics. Souls reaped by Lohm are not sent to one of the various afterlife planes, but are made to vanish into non-existence. Lohm reaps the souls of the recently deceased by placing her hand upon them, which causes the soul to lose coherence and disperse like vapor.<br />
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Lohm's teaching is simple. It can be summed up as: "Everything comes to an end. Don't try to preserve anything."<br />
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Lohm is an unpopular god, and Lohm's followers are few in number. Followers of Lohm are especially rare among species that are typically lively, purposeful, avaricious, and/or ambitious.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm wear clothes made of thin cotton cloth, which represent impermanence due to their vulnerability to both biodegradation and fire.<br />
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In stark contrast to most gods' temples, it is forbidden that the temples of Lohm be constructed of long-lasting materials like cut stones, bricks, or bronze, because such materials represent relative permanence, in contrast to the impermanence that Lohm represents. Lohm's temples are typically constructed of such things as bamboo, paper, and thatched reeds. Lohm's temples are located in random and out-of-the-way places in nature, most of them on plains or hills.<br />
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The clerics at any temple of Lohm tear apart and bury the temple every 10 to 20 year, and build a new one in a new random location.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm bury the bodies of their dead without coffins or other covering, in unmarked graves, and do not keep any records or keepsakes of their dead.<br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=g<br />
|sym=An eagle skull<br />
|plane=Khalas, Gehenna<br />
|align=Chaotic Neutral<br />
|port=Combat, Combat Death, Hunting, Independence, Weapons, Bones<br />
|calign=Chaotic Neutral, True Neutral, Chaotic Good, Chaotic Evil<br />
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This Santana is no relation to the latin rock group of the same name.<br />
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Santana is the 4th-born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. There are only a few archangels that are more powerful than Santana. Some mortals have conflated Santana with Satan. Santana is not quite what Yulia had hoped for when she created him. She had intended to create a noble warrior that would fight for justice, but Santana turned out to be a combat-loving being who was not much concerned with the fight against evil. Santana will fight against evil only when doing so is an unavoidable necessity. Over centuries of personal participation in battles, Santana's flesh has long since been burned away, but he doesn't mind, because he is a powerful deity who doesn't need eyes to see or need muscles to move.<br />
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Like most of the most powerful deities, Santana does not look like an ordinary humanoid. Santana is a skeleton, whose bones are brownish due to fire and aging. His skull is that of an eagle with a large fierce beak. Santana's feet are also like those of a bird of prey, and he has fierce talons on his toes. As archangels often do, Santana has 2 large wings attached to his back. Santana's wings are mostly skeletal like the rest of his body, though attached to his wing bones is connective tissue and scraggly black feathers. Those black feathers on the wings are not Santana's original feathers, but a later growth; Santana was originally covered with gold-brown colored feathers, before his original feathers and other flesh was burned off. As male archangels often do, Santana wears a roman-style cuirass. Santana's cuirass is made of steel, and has some simple embossed designs on it that are a darker gray than that of the surrounding steel. The cuirass also has flaring extensions around the shoulders. Santana has a steel bastard sword, as well as a leather belt with a scabbard. Aside from Santana's cuirass and belt, he wears no other clothes, such that his head, arms, legs, and hips are exposed bone.<br />
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Santana fights with a sword out of preference, but he hardly needs to use a sword, or any weapon, due to his godly powers. Santana is able to attack with an 'abrasion blast'- an emanation of a cone of abrasive mineral grains moving at very high speed, like a sandblaster.<br />
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Santana's lair is carved out of a stoney mountainside in Khalas, in Gehenna. Santana often ventures to Acheron to add to the carnage, where he is an unwelcome guest and therefore has plenty of foes to fight.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Santana is not particularly interested in gaining followers or teaching dogma. However, he will often interact with mortals, mostly for the sake of fighting in a battle, and it is from these interactions that mortals have come to know Santana and emulate him. This dogma can be summed up as: "Live independently, live to fight, and don't fear death."<br />
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Santana's 'clergy' can hardly be called that, since they are rather independent. The clergy emulate the character of Santana. Their activities range from highway robbery to fighting the soldiers of tyrants. They often wear ragged clothes.<br />
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Santana's temples are usually humble, consisting only of an alter made of stones and lashed-together bones, that is located in some cave or similar rough shelter. However, there are a few grander temples- stone brick pyramids with a large alter on the top.<br />
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|sym=A white flame (before his defeat); A yellow flame (after his defeat)<br />
|plane=Chamada, Gehenna<br />
|align=Neutral Evil<br />
|port=Light (before his defeat), Darkness (after his defeat), Creation, Destruction (before his defeat), Decay (after his defeat), Death, Power, Magic, Knowledge<br />
|calign=usually CE, NE, LE; less often CN, TN<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Creation Domain|Creation]], [[SRD:Death Domain|Death]], [[SRD:Repose Domain|Repose]], [[SRD:Magic Domain|Magic]], [[SRD:Knowledge Domain|Knowledge]]<br />
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Lucifer was the first-born and most powerful of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Many mortals have conflated Lucifer with Satan. Lucifer was originally a great servant of righteousness. Because Lucifer was so righteous, Yulia allowed him to suckle her breasts more and more, which made Lucifer more and more powerful. He gained such power that he became an overdeity.<br />
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Lucifer was a handsome being, with wavy shoulder-length light brown hair and tanned skin. His irises were of a green-tinged light brown color, and glistened like crystal. As is common in archangels, he had 2 large wings attached to his back. His wings had white feathers. Lucifer wore only a very loosely wrapped white cloth sheet.<br />
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Eventually, Lucifer came to revel in his great power, and became corrupted by it. As far as evil characters go, Lucifer is unusual in that his evil comes not from an evil nature, but from the way that his great power warped his mind. Lucifer turned rogue, and used the material plane as fodder for exercising his great power. He viewed the lives of all mortals as worthless ants, and killed millions of them during his reign.<br />
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Lucifer usually did not fight with weapons, but he hardly needed to. Lucifer typically dealt with enemies with his white light attack, which consists of an enormous number of photons, like those released from a nuclear bomb. Lucifer could customize the power of his white light attack, ranging it's power from infinitesimal to extremely powerful. The white light attack was sufficiently powerful to quickly melt or vaporize most enemies. Lucifer could emanate powerful white light from any part on his body, but his most powerful white light attacks only emanated from the palm of his hand. In cases where an enemy actually managed to anger Lucifer however, he would not simply burn them away with the white light attack, but would subject them to horrific torment and disfigurement.<br />
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Lucifer's reign of terror was brought to an end when the archangel [[Athena (3.5e Deity)|Athena]] requested that Yulia enchant her curved and serrated dagger with great power. The dagger was enchanted with the power to damage the spirit along with the flesh. When Lucifer was raping Athena, she pulled out the concealed dagger and severed Lucifer's penis at it's base. Not only was Lucifer's penis severed in both flesh and spirit, but the decapitation destroyed Lucifer's spiritual integrity, which caused major rifts of scarring and burning damage throughout his body, and destroyed much of his angelic power. As Lucifer writhed in pain, Athena cast him out of the angelic realm. Lucifer was naked when he was cast out, having been in the process of rape.<br />
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The rifts of damage throughout Lucifer's body had created meandering lines of visible dark red-and-black scarring throughout his flesh. His irises became red as a consequence of internal bleeding. His hair follicles were damaged, causing his current hair to fall out, and causing his new hair to be rougher and duller in hue. Having lost his connections to the angelic, Lucifer's white feathers which were symbolic of good now fell out, and the new feathers which grew in were black.<br />
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After having been cast out of the realm of angels, Lucifer established his lair in an underground cavern in Gehenna.<br />
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Although Lucifer was defeated and lost much of his power, he was still the most powerful of the high archangels (though by a comparatively small margin), and he came to attract followers among the beings in the material plane. Lucifer, having lost the white cloth sheet which he had used as clothing, made a new cloth sheet, this one black, which he likewise wrapped around himself loosely, though not as loosely as he had wrapped his previous cloth. Unlike his previous cloth, he used this one to cover most of his body, including having part of it hang above his face as a hood, to shadow his scarred face.<br />
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Since Lucifer's white light attack had lost most of it's power, Lucifer sought to develop new powerful attacks. He developed his ability to cause decay in other beings and objects, and this became his most powerful attack, particularly when emanated from the palm of his hand (akin to his white light attack).<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Lucifer teaches:<br />
<br>"Power and personal greatness and the pleasure thereof are the only things worth living for.<br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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The clerics of Lucifer gain power from Lucifer himself, and this power has a corrupting effect on the mind. The more power the clerics get from Lucifer, the more warped and evil their minds become. Since this power turns beings evil, it is most often sought by beings who are already evil, although some neutral-aligned beings seek the power of Lucifer as well, for the sheer sake of power. Some of such neutral-aligned being have consequently been corrupted by the power of Lucifer and turned evil.<br />
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The clergy of lucifer are widely hated. Even many evil-aligned beings hate the clerics of Lucifer, believing them to have too much power. Therefore many clerics of Lucifer are closet members. In imitation of Lucifer, the clerics of Lucifer wear loose black robes. In imitation of Lucifer, the clerics of Lucifer are always seeking greater power. At one time, some of Lucifer's most zealous male followers cut off their own penises so as to more closely resemble Lucifer, but that behavior stopped when Lucifer told his followers not to do so.<br />
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|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=A ring of black thorny vine<br />
|plane=The Ethereal Plane<br />
|align=Chaotic Evil<br />
|port=Suffering, Torture, Suffocation, Nightmares, Horror<br />
|calign=Chaotic Evil<br />
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Hreth was spawned by the primordial divine energy, simultaneously with her sister [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], who is her opposite. Yulia is the embodiment of pleasure, whereas Hreth is the embodiment of suffering. Those two primordial sisters are among the most ancient of the gods, being only less ancient than [[Lohm (3.5e Deity)|Lohm]].<br />
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Unlike Yulia, Hreth has not spawned any archangels, nor otherwise worked on behalf of any ideal. Hreth is too chaotic to do so.<br />
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Yulia and Hreth are fundamentally linked together. They occupy the same place, but within parallel dimensions, in the ethereal plane. Whenever a being tries to summon Yulia, Hreth soon appears instead. Whenever a being tries to reach Yulia by going to her realm in the ethereal plane, Hreth will try to pull them over across to her own dimension, and the closer that one gets to Yulia, the stronger the pull. Only the rare beings whose souls are devoid of evil are immune to Hreth's pull.<br />
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Hreth is among the most feared of the gods, though she would easily be the most feared of all if she were not reclusive.<br />
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Like her sister Yulia, Hreth appears roughly like a nude adult female humanoid. Like Yulia, Hreth moves with her head leading and her body trailing behind, although Hreth's body trails at a diagonal angle in contrast to Yulia's which is completely horizontal. Like Yulia, Hreth has long and plentiful hair. Like Yulia, Hreth is surrounded by an aura of gaseous streams. Every other physical aspect about Yulia and Hreth is opposite. Hreth is dull black in color, as are the streams of gaseous aura that emanate from her body. Hreth's body is very skinny, sinewy, and shriveled, appearing sick, starved, and old. Hreth's hair is disheveled and wild, extending in all directions. Hreth's face is very ugly; her lips and cheeks are so shriveled and shrunken that they are receded, showing her teeth, her nose is shriveled and shrunken such that her nose is small and upturned, and her eyes are shriveled and shrunken deep into her eye sockets. Hreth's breasts are flattened, sagging, and shriveled.<br />
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Hreth's breasts can secrete a thick, black, oily substance akin to tar. In diametric contrast to Yulia's breast milk which imparts great pleasure, Hreth's breast milk imparts great suffering.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Hreth is too chaotic to have any real dogma. If Hreth has any dogma, it is simply: "Make every conscious being suffer!!"<br />
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The clerics of Hreth are very few in number, because Hreth is a very unpopular god. Even among evil-aligned beings she is unpopular. Only among some demon species, and some typically evil species of the material plane (such as drow elves, hags, and grimlocks) does Hreth have more-than-marginal popularity. Among non-drow elves, humans, dwarves, and gnomes, less than 1 percent are followers of Hreth. The followers of Hreth are only the most sadistic and/or mentally disturbed of beings.<br />
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The clerics of Hreth wear coarsely-cut black-stained hooded cloaks made of hide. They are often adorned with such things as raw bloody sinews and bloody pulled teeth. In addition to their hoods, they also often wear ugly masks. The clerics of Hreth practice self-mutilation and tooth-filing, as well as torturing animals and humanoids. Some of them also torture themselves.<br />
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The temples of Hreth are hidden away, most of them in swamps and forests. The temples of Hreth are small and crudely constructed. They are made with walls of large piled-up stones, with or without mortar to help hold them together, and the roof preferably consists of large stone slab(s), or, failing that, a bunch of branches. Weeds or other vegetation often grows on or around the temple. The temples lack an artificial floor, and are filthy inside- often infested with spiders or other vermin.<br />
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[[Category:Overdeity]]</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Athena_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=519790Athena (3.5e Deity)2011-05-26T06:15:24Z<p>Archetyper: rv personally-motivated vandalism under false pretense by Jazzman831</p>
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Athena is the second-born and second most powerful of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Athena was created to be the lover of the archangel [[Lucifer (3.5e Deity)|Lucifer]]. After Lucifer turned evil, Athena asked Yulia to enchant her dagger with the power to cut through spirit, and Yulia granted the request. Athena then refused to have sex with Lucifer. When Lucifer raped her, she used the enchanted dagger to sever Lucifer's penis at it's base, and as Lucifer writhed in pain, she cast him out of the realm of angels. Athena never had sex after that time, but she doesn't need to, because Lucifer's severed penis inside of her provides all the sexual pleasure she desires.<br />
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Athena monitors the souls of mortals, seeking out the most evil ones. Upon such evil beings she places a curse, which will turn their soul into a wretched blob known as a lemure upon their death.<br />
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Athena has pale skin, curly dark brown hair, and brown eyes. In contrast to mortal humans, Athena's flesh is rather hard, her muscles as hard as stone, and this makes her especially tough in battle. Because of the firmness of her flesh, Athena's breasts project out horizontally. As is common in archangels, Athena has 2 large wings attached to her back. Her wings have white feathers.<br />
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Athena wears an ancient-greek-style helmet which covers up much of her hair. The helmet usually has the visor tilted up, such that Athena's face is exposed. Athena wears a thin white cloth sheet that is wrapped around her, and she wears leather sandals, with straps that wrap around diagonally up her calves. She sometimes also carries a broad-bladed greatsword in a scabbard strapped to her back, particularly when she is leading armies of mortals.<br />
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In battle, Athena only uses a greatsword when fighting alongside mortals, so as to imitate the way that mortals fight. Since Athena has the strength of a god, she has no problem wielding the greatsword with one hand rather than two. Athena hardly needs to use a greatsword, or any weapon, due to her godly powers. Athena is able to make a very powerful attack by openning her mouth wide and shooting out a conical blast of bits of red-orange lava.<br />
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Athena's lair is in Venya, on Mount Celestia. Athena's lair is a marble temple on a mountainside that is covered with pine trees and snow. The temple has many tall columns of marble, supporting very high roofs.<br />
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Athena teaches her followers to defend the innocent, fight for liberty, and punish evil beings.<br />
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Athena's clergy dress in imitation of Athena, and follow Athena's teachings. In battle however, Athena's followers usually wear armor, since a thin white cloth sheet provides minimal protection.<br />
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Athena's temples are made in imitation of the style of Athena's lair, being made of marble, and incorporating marble columns.<br />
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[[Category:Greater Deity]]</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Apollo_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=519788Apollo (3.5e Deity)2011-05-26T06:13:55Z<p>Archetyper: rv personally-motivated vandalism under false pretense by Jazzman831</p>
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Apollo is the 3rd-born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]]. Apollo was spawned after the archangel [[Lucifer (3.5e Deity)|Lucifer]] turned evil and was defeated not long after. Apollo was intended to be a replacement for Lucifer.<br />
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Apollo is a handsome being. He has tanned skin, semi-curly shoulder-length blond hair, and blue eyes. He is relatively effeminate for a male deity. As is common in archangels, Apollo has 2 large wings attached to his back. His wings have white feathers. Apollo has gained a reputation as the best male lover among the gods, and female deities and mortals have sought him out for him to make love to them.<br />
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Apollo wears a thin white cloth tunic, which covers his torso, shoulders, and pelvis, and reaches to mid-thigh. On top of that he wears a roman-style cuirass, as is common in male archangels. Apollo's cuirass is made of pure gold, and has simple embossed designs on it.<br />
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Apollo is not much of a fighter. Apollo is able to attack by forming balls of light in the palms of his hands and shooting them at opponents, but that is not a particularly powerful attack. In a fight against other powerful gods, Apollo typically can not hold his own, so he prefers to fight alongside other gods.<br />
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Apollo's lair is in Murcuria, on Mount Celestia. Apollo's lair is a large stationary cloud in the sky.<br />
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Apollo teaches:<br />
<br>"Beauty is a virtue. To serve beauty is to serve righteousness."<br />
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The clergy of Apollo dress beautifully, wearing intricately detailed articles made of gold, silver, and copper. Such articles are padded underneath with cloth, so as to reduce the lightning hazard. The clergy of Apollo create beautiful things. <br />
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Apollo's temples are exceptionally beautiful. They are made of marble, and in the interior there are various paintings and sculptures, and even music boxes. The temples double as art museums. Since the temples of Apollo are often attacked by raiders and thieves, they are well guarded.<br />
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[[Category:Greater Deity]]</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Aphrodite_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=519787Aphrodite (3.5e Deity)2011-05-26T06:11:04Z<p>Archetyper: rv personally-motivated vandalism under false pretense by Jazzman831</p>
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Aphrodite is the 5th and last born of the high archangels spawned by [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]].<br />
Aphrodite was created so as to embody the love aspect of Yulia.<br />
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Aphrodite has semi-curly blonde hair that reaches down to her feet, as the hair of Yulia does. Aphrodite's breasts are large and long, and have large pink areolas. As is common in archangels, Aphrodite has 2 large wings attached to her back. Her wings have white feathers, and her feathers are particularly soft and fluffy. Aphrodite wears no clothes, and carries no weapon or other equipment.<br />
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Aphrodite is not much of a fighter at all. She prefers to avoid fights, only fighting when it is unavoidable. Aphrodite nonetheless has a powerful attack due to her godly power. Aphrodite can cause anything that her skin touches to loose strength in it's chemical bonds, and cause individual biological cells to detach from eachother, causing whatever she touches to turn into a semi-liquid mush.<br />
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Aphrodite's lair is in Amoria, in Elysium. Aphrodite's lair is in a roughly circular clearing in a forest. The clearing has green grass on the ground. At the center of the clearing is Aphrodite's lair. Aphrodite's lair is an unassuming cottage, made of stones & mortar, logs & tar, and a chimney. However, when one enters the clearing in the forest, one can feel the love emanating from the cottage. The cottage, and the green grassy clearing that surrounds it, is protected by very powerful magic, which reduces the power of any magical attacks to a minuscule fraction of their original power, and reduces the size of weapons and intended attackers to the size of mice. With the exception of attackers, being within the clearing causes any wounds or other ailments to slowly heal. Being within the cottage itself causes any wounds or other ailments to rapidly heal.<br />
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Aphrodite teaches that physical affection is a form of giving.<br />
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The clerics of Aphrodite are nude when weather permits, in imitation of Aphrodite.<br />
The clerics of Aphrodite act by giving love and affection to good humanoids and animals that do not have it.<br />
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[[Category:Greater Deity]]</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=518272Talk:God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)2011-05-14T05:26:02Z<p>Archetyper: /* Lawful Good? */ oh, please</p>
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God is a misleading title. I suggest it to be changed to Holy Trinity. Votes? --[[User:201.230.125.85|201.230.125.85]] 19:27, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Agreed. This is very Holy Trinity. God may be too broad a title for an article this specific. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:48, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Necessary? ==<br />
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Is this page really necessary? Deities are mostly campaign specific aren't they? If in a campaign a people worship the Christ should it be better to just link it to wikipedia? Well it just an observation.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 12:10, 17 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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:This is stupid. as was said above, you. are. supposed. to. be. ROLEPLAYING! not showing how pious and religious you are.<br />
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::This is totally out of place. 1: there are plenty of evil christ-worshipers. 2:if you really think this should exist, shouldn't the favored weapon be a HAMMER since he was a carpenter? i don't think he likes whips after everything that happened. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 00:45, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Christ drove out the merchants from the Temple with a small whip. He called it a den of theives. Its the only time he used a weapon other than his voice. I thought it was a funny joke to have it as a favored weapon. --[[User:129.123.252.131|129.123.252.131]] 10:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Any religion can be worshiped in D&D. Deities and Demigods even gives the Greek, Egyptian, and Asgardian deities. Why should European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Western beliefs be diminished? While it says you should not worship a monotheistic religion, it is by all means possible to do so. D&D is as imaginative as you want it to be. The idea of a monotheistic religion based in D&D where almost every other people is pagan could bring interesting ideas to the world of the players. Just because it is a real world religion does not mean it isn't possible for the game of unlimited possibilities. Sure, there are evil Christ worshipers, but their are evil worshipers of every faith. If they really are evil Christ worshipers, are they really worshiping Christ? Or are they just saying they are? An "evil Christ worshiper" to me sounds more like a satanist: someone who worships everything that Christianity tells you not to. If you think about it, the Nine Hells of Baator were designed after Dante's inferno: Hell. The Seven Celestias of Heaven are like Heaven itself: many different ranks of angels all leading to the highest angel. Would it not be interesting to add Cherubs or even Seraphs to D&D? How would you like to be walking around, doing your own thing in the world, when a 6 winged angel with an epic voice, and once that you can really only see its mouth appears to you and tells you that your God needs you to do something for Him or for His faith? A cleric would actually have say an actual Holy Text to work from with the Bible. It could really be an RP based thing for a Cleric of this religion. Most religions in D&D are either for RP reasons or for religious classes, such as the cleric. Thus if you play one of those, its all about showing how pious and religious you are. You cannot say its stupid just because you do not believe in it in real life. You can role play a Christ following Cleric in D&D. Think about it to, their are all those sacred vows in the book of exalted deeds, including the one where you give up material possessions. The very idea of Christianity is to love man and give up everything you own to follow Christ. That feat is practically made for a cleric of this faith. --[[User:Hepo|Hepo]]. October 31, 2009<br />
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:::::Agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Correctness ==<br />
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|They believe Christ created the entire universe, earth, and all that inhabit it. The belief in Christ also believes in Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind from eternal doom in Hell.<br />
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Don't Christians think God created everything though? And the Jesus Christ part sounds quite Mormon - or am I wrong? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:All Christians believe God created everything. The Mormons just believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate personages. Mormons still believe God created everything. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:37, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::Yeah, this says Christ created everything though. That should probably be changed, I would imagine. And I think I am wrong about referencing the LDS faith - they say "Heavenly Father", I was thinking of something else. And this could just be changed to "God" and not "Christ"... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:12, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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|In addition, they were to travel all the land and spread the news of the good King to anyone and everyone to save as many from being condemned to Baator, or Hell. God, or Jehovah, is viewed as the God of All Creation, Love, and Mercy, for He is all that is good and just and created all that exists. He is also a jealous God, for He is not pleased by those who worship other gods. Nobody is out of the reach of His grace and mercy (and also His wrath). He loves all and welcomes any and all into His Kingdom as long as they are a believer in the Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah.<br />
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:::What is this part talking about? Is Jehovah God? And this does not work with the alignment (wrath, jealous, etc). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::Those changes are all fine, its just that some names are interchangeable. Muslim belief is in Allah, and Christian and Judaism belief is in Jehovah (obviously two different aspects of the belief). Jesus Christ is God, therefore God is Christ. The only thing that really separates them (that I am aware of) is when Jesus says only the Father knows when the end times will be and that he does not. Clarifying that even though Jesus is God, he is still man and does not share God's thoughts. Anywho, that was the reason those were written. Remember, the New Testament says God to be love, but the Old Testament shows God's wrath and how He will use war to fix things or get things for His people (Sodom and Gomorrah and His people attacking the lands of Israel, the promised lands). The Bible also does talk about God being a jealous God, once again, more so in the Old Testament. To try to place God's personality is difficult because you can't just read one part. He is lawful good because He is all that is good and He expects His followers to do their best to follow His decrees (think about it, you were to be stoned to death if you do not obey His command of keeping the Sabbath day holy and not working on it. That is laying down the law right there). Also note, that in the clergy part, it talks about latin being the language of the mass. Technically, Jesus was a Jew, and thus His language was Hebrew. Hebrew would be, in effect, the language of the faith.<br />
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::::An alignment describes a general behavior. Not the absolute dictation on RP. Having a lawful good character who occasionally lies is acceptable because the lawful good alignment just gives a basis to the way you should act. Paladins, are an exception, as they must represent their alignment and faith at all costs. --68.61.179.244<br />
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:::::If you want to get technical, God himself is all good alignments at the same time, so if we have to choose, he would be Neutral Good, not Lawful. His clerics thus can be any good alignment. And yes, there are evil clerics of Him, but they do not truly worship Him in their hearts. As it is written "By their fruits thereof thou shalt know them", I'd look it up for you if I wasn't going to bed right now. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 07:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lawful Good? ==<br />
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Lawful, yes, but Good? The Judeo-Christian god to me seems a bit too keen on the smiting and nuking of civilizations. Not to mention the fact that he orders his followers to execute people based on things such as sexual orientation or the fact that they choose to work on the sabbath.<br />
His actions based on my readings of the bible in no way portray what is known within the D&D realm to be "Good."<br />
Pelor would not kill thousands of children because of the disobedience of one king, nor would Heironeous ever blast a city off the face of the planet because of a little bit of sin on the part of a PORTION of its citizens.<br />
Therefore, I suggest altering the alignment of God to reflect his true nature: Lawful Neutral. <br />
-74.44.161.26 18:36, 16 February 2010<br />
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::I see that I am not the first person to recognize that that 'Lawful Good' alignment is abrahamic propaganda. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 21:26, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:The '''followers''' of the Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Yahweh/Yeshua ben Joseph/etc etc. believe that their deity is a lawful good deity. It has been roleplayed a million times in the sense of the over-zealous paladin of pelor or heironeous ''(yes, they would do it - if they thought that it was good)''. Though a non-follower may disagree ''(read: every other party member of the over-zealous paladin)'', that doesn't change the alignment. That being said, I must disagree. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::"Lawful, yes, but Good?" Who are you to question the motives of the Almighty? Next to Him, we are but insects. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 23:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Danzig, when I first read that comment of yours, with it's obvious absurd circular logic, I thought that you were making an exaggerated parody of abrahamists, but now I see that you are the real deal. You prove the truth of Poe's Law. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 21:55, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::You are cutting pretty close to personal attacks, Archetyper. I'll say it again: '''if you have issue with the entry, then explain it. If you are just here to debate religion, go somewhere else'''. Any more personal attacks on users of this site and you will be blocked for a period of time to cool off.<br />
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::::::How pathetic. I speak a truth that you forbid from being spoken, because it violates your sense of vicarious autotheistic dominance, and you get so angry that you threaten to block me (which is a personal attack against ''me''), under this flimsy guise of 'personal attacks on users'. It is you who needs to cool off. And I am not afraid that you will block me for any length of time, because such an egregious abuse of your admin power, under such a flimsy guise, would get you de-sysopped by Green Dragon. -Though merely threatening such a block is an egregious abuse of power as it is. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 23:26, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Okay....I'm not even sure how to reply to that. I'm not the one questioning ''"the Almighty"'', as you put it. The Judeo-Christian God is definitely LG to all of his followers. That really ends any debate on the subject. If you personally feel like the deity would make a better LN God, then just simply make a variant. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Relax, Hooper, I meant the dude above you. You're OK. \m/ I always said He was all good alignments as one, but that anybody could worship Him, even if they were evil. What I meant was this guy uses the same tired arguments to say "God isn't good" when he wasn't there when these places (Sodom & such) got destroyed, and how are we really to question the reason behind their demise? Sure, Pelor wouldn't do that, but he's FICTIONAL... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 06:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::D&D has created a category which they name ''"Good"''. Is the ''"D&D Good"'' the same as ''"God's Good"''? No. God says good is ''"God's Good"'' and D&D says good is ''"D&D Good"''. They are all different types of good. So, does God have to conform to ''"D&D Good"''? Or, does D&D have to conform to ''"God's Good"''? Answer: No on both counts.<br />
:::::It is okay for them to be different. If I say God is not good, that just means he ain't ''"Jay Good"''. Sometimes it is okay to think outside the box. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Right, to say something is real needs proof. I live in Utah. Mormons, through the Book of Mormon, believe in a few battles. Anthropologists looked into these battles and were not able to find any evidence at the point of conflict. Does this make them fake? No, I guess God could have just removed it. Does this make them unbelievable? To some, of course. To others, no. It all depends. Extrapolating this makes things very subjective.<br />
::::::About the "Lawful Good" making it seem as if one can understand God and that going against Christianity could be the case. Do you think it could just be changed to "Lawful Good*" and then "* &mdash; God is not understandable. Based off His actions in The Bible this comes the closest to a D&D categorical match for His actions therein. If you are thinking it is implied as a given, it is not.". I don't know. What do people think about including something like that? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If it has the potential to be a big deal, just put '''"Rule 0"''' or '''"DM's Choice"'''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I agree with Hooper here. But... Perhaps we aren't looking at the big picture? See my topics below. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::OP here, I'll have to say I agree with Hooper as well. Though I did find Danzig calling Pelor fictional to be ironic seeing as he did so when referring to his own mythical deity. {{unsigned|173.85.194.213}}<br />
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::::::::::I never said my God was fictional. Maybe you think He is, but that's your loss. Also sign your post so I know who this is above me being an immature atheist douche. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You, sir, have fallen for a troll. (And he's feinted you into acting rather unchristian as well). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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By no means did I intend to troll. However, it does really irritate me when someone gets all "holier than thou" and hypocritical at the same time. How was I being immature? I merely asked a question with the intent to provoke intellectual discussion.<br />
Religious zealots don't understand that to someone not indoctrinated, their deity doesn't really stand out among the thousands of mythos created by man.<br />
In terms of an intellectual debate, the burden of proof rests in the hands of those that make claims beyond normal reason.<br />
In order to have such a discussion free of hypocrisy, there are two options:<br />
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1: The rules of the discussion maintain a neutral basis on rational thinking and arguments without logical support hold no value. Here, all mythologies are treated equally as mythology. The abilities and flaws of Athena and Jehova can be compared on an intellectual basis with no bias. Those that partake in any belief systems discussed are forced to step down from their pedestal and join everyone else on the level plane of reason.<br />
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2: A discussion where subjective beliefs are respected as absolute truths. This means anyone can enter and present an argument with no required support and zero rational basis but all other members of the discussion must not challenge any aspect of their claims. This means that while one person insists on the truth of the bible, another can present an argument for their belief in Kord and nobody can question either as we cannot harm someone's sensibility with grounded logic.<br />
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So I beg of you all, for the sake of rationality and as creatures of intellect, please check your faith at the door and try to be objective when entering an intelligent discussion.<br />
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:I think you are in the wrong place if you want a solid debate about religion. This is a gaming website. If you want to discuss whether or not God exists, try [http://rationalwiki.com/ RationalWiki]. If you want to discuss ''how'' God fits into D&D, then you are in the right place, but flippantly calling Him mythical while in discussion with believers is trolling, whether or not it's your intention. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ahem. Since my last comments got deleted... I'll just ditto Jazzman here. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::OP, it's a two-way street. You don't insult my faith, and I will from now on not insult your lack thereof. Do we have a deal? And furthermore, it is not being unChristian to speak up about being trolled. Christians have just as many rights on this wiki as anyone. As Jazzman pointed out, all we're here on this page for is to add a real-world deity to a fictional setting. I figured, if you're gonna add the Christian God to D&D, might as well get it right. Barring using either Jesus or YHWH in D&D, though, one could always just use Ilmater, if real-world historical deities in D&D bother you. But then again, what about people who use Set, Osiris, Kali, or Dagon? The game is what you make of it. Just don't troll me, and I won't verbally lash out. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 18:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Is it okay to be multiple alignments at once?==<br />
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Since this ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' can be whatever the GM wants him to be? Can we list him as "Alignment: Any"? Can we list him as "Alignment: All"? Can we list him as both? Does Mr.God need an alignment for this article? Lets assume Mr.God needs an alignment for this article because GD says so. Just for pretend, of course.<br />
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I, myself, would list him as "Alignment: Whatever tickles your pickle". Why? Because every single person has a different opinion and view of what God really is. The problem with this is... Then isn't there a different ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' for every single person in the entire world? Yes. Can we list them all right here on D&D wiki? Maybe. Do we want to try? Personally, I sure as heck don't. Haha.<br />
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We could be really specific too. We could name the articles: "''Jay Freedman's Unique View of Mr.God''" or maybe "''Green Dragon's Ultimate View of Mr.God''". But, thats pretty lame, ain't it. Not to mention redundant and childish.<br />
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We could name them by Religion. Things like "''God: by the Catholics''" or "''God: by the Baptists''" or maybe "''God: by the Mormons''". Do we want all those technicalities here on D&D wiki? Well, thats up to Green Dragon, isn't it? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess when it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== God (3.5e Deity): An Article or a Category? ==<br />
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In your opinion should "''God (3.5e Deity)''" be an Article or a Category? Simply list your opinion below in only one word if possible. Thanks! You guys rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The category of "God" is already covered by [[:Category:Deity]], or what do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly! "God" is a category not an article. This article is too broad in it's scope. To large, to uncertain, to unpredictable. Even if we were to limit this article to simply, lets say, a Dictionaries definition of "God". Could you gain consensus for this definition? Would everybody agree on that specific terminology?<br />
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::Probably not, because everybody has a different definition for God. Heck, I would even argue that [[:Category:Deity]] is equal to [[God (3.5e Deity)]]. Because every single article found within [[:Category:Deity]] could in fact be included within the article [[God (3.5e Deity)]] and still be considered "true" and "correct". Yes, all of them. Therefore, [[God (3.5e Deity)]] is equal to [[:Category:Deity]]. Thus making this article no longer necessary. In conclusion, I propose we make this broad and unassuming article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]]. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I think you are getting a bit too theological for what is, ultimately, just a homebrew RPG description. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I completely agree with you. I am, in fact, being too theological. However, I also believe I am correct. Making this article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]] is the best logical choice for this wiki to pursue. Socially, logically, and theologically speaking. Good insight Jazzman. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Except D&D Wiki is, ultimately, about D&D. The question this article brings up is: How does "God" fit into D&D? This article is not about making a Bible-correct article about God. That would be the Wikipedia article on God (or Conservapedia, who knows). This article is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D; a fantasy world with unlimited possibilities. This article needs to encompass the idea of "unlimited possibilities" and "infinite ways" not "what does the Bible say about God in relation to planet earth". Or do mean something else? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh goodness, you mentioned Conservapedia. (Ironically, this article is longer than theirs.) But on topic, I agree with GD. If it bothers you that this article doesn't describe God completely (and it can't anyway), then just pretend it describes a different god who happens to have the same name. Redirecting it to the category doesn't really help this wiki. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I would really like to stress this is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D. One could add things like "In a campaign with God all other [[3.5e Deities|deities]] are considered "Hero's" and God created everything." Who knows. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Okay, I think I understand. I thought this article was asking "Who is God in D&D?". The answer of course is, "Whatever you want him to be." But now, I understand that GD is asking "How does God fit into D&D?". A completely different question.<br />
::::::::So, I ask the question. How does God fit "into" D&D? The answer I get again is, "Anyway you want him to." He is anybody, anything, anyway, and anyhow you would like him to be. Man, is it really that easy? I guess so. Kinda just like Jazzman said, "Then just pretend it describes a different God who happens to have the same name." Nice work guys! When it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer! Good luck! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not know for certain. However, although God is the creator of everything, doesn't He also have codes he is by? He definitely has Dogma (10 Commandments). Or would you say that is just a group of followers getting issued decreases by Him? I don't know, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::He, She, It? I don't know what to call God. As for Dogma?... Everybody thinks God's Dogma is different. Jews say one thing, Christian's say another, and Muslims say something else. They all call him God. The only thing they all have in common when it comes to the 10 commandments is the Prophet Moses. Moses is accepted by all three world religions, so they all have a place for the 10 Commandments somewhere in their Official Doctrine. Sorry but, I'm afraid Dogma is just as sketchy as anything else. No consensus there either. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::(I am assuming this is the Christian one) Maybe this should be moved to God, Christian then? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, why not. "God, Christian Faith" sounds perfect for this article. It is less ambiguous and all of the current information is correct under these circumstances. Good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::I moved it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=518265Talk:God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)2011-05-14T03:55:02Z<p>Archetyper: /* Lawful Good? */ Poe's Law in action</p>
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God is a misleading title. I suggest it to be changed to Holy Trinity. Votes? --[[User:201.230.125.85|201.230.125.85]] 19:27, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Agreed. This is very Holy Trinity. God may be too broad a title for an article this specific. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:48, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Necessary? ==<br />
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Is this page really necessary? Deities are mostly campaign specific aren't they? If in a campaign a people worship the Christ should it be better to just link it to wikipedia? Well it just an observation.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 12:10, 17 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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:This is stupid. as was said above, you. are. supposed. to. be. ROLEPLAYING! not showing how pious and religious you are.<br />
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::This is totally out of place. 1: there are plenty of evil christ-worshipers. 2:if you really think this should exist, shouldn't the favored weapon be a HAMMER since he was a carpenter? i don't think he likes whips after everything that happened. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 00:45, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Christ drove out the merchants from the Temple with a small whip. He called it a den of theives. Its the only time he used a weapon other than his voice. I thought it was a funny joke to have it as a favored weapon. --[[User:129.123.252.131|129.123.252.131]] 10:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Any religion can be worshiped in D&D. Deities and Demigods even gives the Greek, Egyptian, and Asgardian deities. Why should European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Western beliefs be diminished? While it says you should not worship a monotheistic religion, it is by all means possible to do so. D&D is as imaginative as you want it to be. The idea of a monotheistic religion based in D&D where almost every other people is pagan could bring interesting ideas to the world of the players. Just because it is a real world religion does not mean it isn't possible for the game of unlimited possibilities. Sure, there are evil Christ worshipers, but their are evil worshipers of every faith. If they really are evil Christ worshipers, are they really worshiping Christ? Or are they just saying they are? An "evil Christ worshiper" to me sounds more like a satanist: someone who worships everything that Christianity tells you not to. If you think about it, the Nine Hells of Baator were designed after Dante's inferno: Hell. The Seven Celestias of Heaven are like Heaven itself: many different ranks of angels all leading to the highest angel. Would it not be interesting to add Cherubs or even Seraphs to D&D? How would you like to be walking around, doing your own thing in the world, when a 6 winged angel with an epic voice, and once that you can really only see its mouth appears to you and tells you that your God needs you to do something for Him or for His faith? A cleric would actually have say an actual Holy Text to work from with the Bible. It could really be an RP based thing for a Cleric of this religion. Most religions in D&D are either for RP reasons or for religious classes, such as the cleric. Thus if you play one of those, its all about showing how pious and religious you are. You cannot say its stupid just because you do not believe in it in real life. You can role play a Christ following Cleric in D&D. Think about it to, their are all those sacred vows in the book of exalted deeds, including the one where you give up material possessions. The very idea of Christianity is to love man and give up everything you own to follow Christ. That feat is practically made for a cleric of this faith. --[[User:Hepo|Hepo]]. October 31, 2009<br />
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:::::Agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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Don't Christians think God created everything though? And the Jesus Christ part sounds quite Mormon - or am I wrong? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:All Christians believe God created everything. The Mormons just believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate personages. Mormons still believe God created everything. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:37, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::Yeah, this says Christ created everything though. That should probably be changed, I would imagine. And I think I am wrong about referencing the LDS faith - they say "Heavenly Father", I was thinking of something else. And this could just be changed to "God" and not "Christ"... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:12, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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|In addition, they were to travel all the land and spread the news of the good King to anyone and everyone to save as many from being condemned to Baator, or Hell. God, or Jehovah, is viewed as the God of All Creation, Love, and Mercy, for He is all that is good and just and created all that exists. He is also a jealous God, for He is not pleased by those who worship other gods. Nobody is out of the reach of His grace and mercy (and also His wrath). He loves all and welcomes any and all into His Kingdom as long as they are a believer in the Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah.<br />
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:::What is this part talking about? Is Jehovah God? And this does not work with the alignment (wrath, jealous, etc). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::Those changes are all fine, its just that some names are interchangeable. Muslim belief is in Allah, and Christian and Judaism belief is in Jehovah (obviously two different aspects of the belief). Jesus Christ is God, therefore God is Christ. The only thing that really separates them (that I am aware of) is when Jesus says only the Father knows when the end times will be and that he does not. Clarifying that even though Jesus is God, he is still man and does not share God's thoughts. Anywho, that was the reason those were written. Remember, the New Testament says God to be love, but the Old Testament shows God's wrath and how He will use war to fix things or get things for His people (Sodom and Gomorrah and His people attacking the lands of Israel, the promised lands). The Bible also does talk about God being a jealous God, once again, more so in the Old Testament. To try to place God's personality is difficult because you can't just read one part. He is lawful good because He is all that is good and He expects His followers to do their best to follow His decrees (think about it, you were to be stoned to death if you do not obey His command of keeping the Sabbath day holy and not working on it. That is laying down the law right there). Also note, that in the clergy part, it talks about latin being the language of the mass. Technically, Jesus was a Jew, and thus His language was Hebrew. Hebrew would be, in effect, the language of the faith.<br />
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::::An alignment describes a general behavior. Not the absolute dictation on RP. Having a lawful good character who occasionally lies is acceptable because the lawful good alignment just gives a basis to the way you should act. Paladins, are an exception, as they must represent their alignment and faith at all costs. --68.61.179.244<br />
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:::::If you want to get technical, God himself is all good alignments at the same time, so if we have to choose, he would be Neutral Good, not Lawful. His clerics thus can be any good alignment. And yes, there are evil clerics of Him, but they do not truly worship Him in their hearts. As it is written "By their fruits thereof thou shalt know them", I'd look it up for you if I wasn't going to bed right now. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 07:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lawful Good? ==<br />
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Lawful, yes, but Good? The Judeo-Christian god to me seems a bit too keen on the smiting and nuking of civilizations. Not to mention the fact that he orders his followers to execute people based on things such as sexual orientation or the fact that they choose to work on the sabbath.<br />
His actions based on my readings of the bible in no way portray what is known within the D&D realm to be "Good."<br />
Pelor would not kill thousands of children because of the disobedience of one king, nor would Heironeous ever blast a city off the face of the planet because of a little bit of sin on the part of a PORTION of its citizens.<br />
Therefore, I suggest altering the alignment of God to reflect his true nature: Lawful Neutral. <br />
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:I see that I am not the first person to recognize that that 'Lawful Good' alignment is abrahamic propaganda. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 21:26, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:The '''followers''' of the Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Yahweh/Yeshua ben Joseph/etc etc. believe that their deity is a lawful good deity. It has been roleplayed a million times in the sense of the over-zealous paladin of pelor or heironeous ''(yes, they would do it - if they thought that it was good)''. Though a non-follower may disagree ''(read: every other party member of the over-zealous paladin)'', that doesn't change the alignment. That being said, I must disagree. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::"Lawful, yes, but Good?" Who are you to question the motives of the Almighty? Next to Him, we are but insects. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 23:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Danzig, when I first read that comment of yours, with it's obvious absurd circular logic, I thought that you were making an exaggerated parody of abrahamists, but now I see that you are the real deal. You prove the truth of Poe's Law. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 21:55, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Okay....I'm not even sure how to reply to that. I'm not the one questioning ''"the Almighty"'', as you put it. The Judeo-Christian God is definitely LG to all of his followers. That really ends any debate on the subject. If you personally feel like the deity would make a better LN God, then just simply make a variant. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Relax, Hooper, I meant the dude above you. You're OK. \m/ I always said He was all good alignments as one, but that anybody could worship Him, even if they were evil. What I meant was this guy uses the same tired arguments to say "God isn't good" when he wasn't there when these places (Sodom & such) got destroyed, and how are we really to question the reason behind their demise? Sure, Pelor wouldn't do that, but he's FICTIONAL... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 06:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::D&D has created a category which they name ''"Good"''. Is the ''"D&D Good"'' the same as ''"God's Good"''? No. God says good is ''"God's Good"'' and D&D says good is ''"D&D Good"''. They are all different types of good. So, does God have to conform to ''"D&D Good"''? Or, does D&D have to conform to ''"God's Good"''? Answer: No on both counts.<br />
:::::It is okay for them to be different. If I say God is not good, that just means he ain't ''"Jay Good"''. Sometimes it is okay to think outside the box. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Right, to say something is real needs proof. I live in Utah. Mormons, through the Book of Mormon, believe in a few battles. Anthropologists looked into these battles and were not able to find any evidence at the point of conflict. Does this make them fake? No, I guess God could have just removed it. Does this make them unbelievable? To some, of course. To others, no. It all depends. Extrapolating this makes things very subjective.<br />
::::::About the "Lawful Good" making it seem as if one can understand God and that going against Christianity could be the case. Do you think it could just be changed to "Lawful Good*" and then "* &mdash; God is not understandable. Based off His actions in The Bible this comes the closest to a D&D categorical match for His actions therein. If you are thinking it is implied as a given, it is not.". I don't know. What do people think about including something like that? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If it has the potential to be a big deal, just put '''"Rule 0"''' or '''"DM's Choice"'''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I agree with Hooper here. But... Perhaps we aren't looking at the big picture? See my topics below. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::OP here, I'll have to say I agree with Hooper as well. Though I did find Danzig calling Pelor fictional to be ironic seeing as he did so when referring to his own mythical deity. {{unsigned|173.85.194.213}}<br />
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::::::::::I never said my God was fictional. Maybe you think He is, but that's your loss. Also sign your post so I know who this is above me being an immature atheist douche. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You, sir, have fallen for a troll. (And he's feinted you into acting rather unchristian as well). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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By no means did I intend to troll. However, it does really irritate me when someone gets all "holier than thou" and hypocritical at the same time. How was I being immature? I merely asked a question with the intent to provoke intellectual discussion.<br />
Religious zealots don't understand that to someone not indoctrinated, their deity doesn't really stand out among the thousands of mythos created by man.<br />
In terms of an intellectual debate, the burden of proof rests in the hands of those that make claims beyond normal reason.<br />
In order to have such a discussion free of hypocrisy, there are two options:<br />
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1: The rules of the discussion maintain a neutral basis on rational thinking and arguments without logical support hold no value. Here, all mythologies are treated equally as mythology. The abilities and flaws of Athena and Jehova can be compared on an intellectual basis with no bias. Those that partake in any belief systems discussed are forced to step down from their pedestal and join everyone else on the level plane of reason.<br />
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2: A discussion where subjective beliefs are respected as absolute truths. This means anyone can enter and present an argument with no required support and zero rational basis but all other members of the discussion must not challenge any aspect of their claims. This means that while one person insists on the truth of the bible, another can present an argument for their belief in Kord and nobody can question either as we cannot harm someone's sensibility with grounded logic.<br />
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So I beg of you all, for the sake of rationality and as creatures of intellect, please check your faith at the door and try to be objective when entering an intelligent discussion.<br />
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:I think you are in the wrong place if you want a solid debate about religion. This is a gaming website. If you want to discuss whether or not God exists, try [http://rationalwiki.com/ RationalWiki]. If you want to discuss ''how'' God fits into D&D, then you are in the right place, but flippantly calling Him mythical while in discussion with believers is trolling, whether or not it's your intention. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ahem. Since my last comments got deleted... I'll just ditto Jazzman here. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::OP, it's a two-way street. You don't insult my faith, and I will from now on not insult your lack thereof. Do we have a deal? And furthermore, it is not being unChristian to speak up about being trolled. Christians have just as many rights on this wiki as anyone. As Jazzman pointed out, all we're here on this page for is to add a real-world deity to a fictional setting. I figured, if you're gonna add the Christian God to D&D, might as well get it right. Barring using either Jesus or YHWH in D&D, though, one could always just use Ilmater, if real-world historical deities in D&D bother you. But then again, what about people who use Set, Osiris, Kali, or Dagon? The game is what you make of it. Just don't troll me, and I won't verbally lash out. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 18:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Is it okay to be multiple alignments at once?==<br />
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Since this ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' can be whatever the GM wants him to be? Can we list him as "Alignment: Any"? Can we list him as "Alignment: All"? Can we list him as both? Does Mr.God need an alignment for this article? Lets assume Mr.God needs an alignment for this article because GD says so. Just for pretend, of course.<br />
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I, myself, would list him as "Alignment: Whatever tickles your pickle". Why? Because every single person has a different opinion and view of what God really is. The problem with this is... Then isn't there a different ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' for every single person in the entire world? Yes. Can we list them all right here on D&D wiki? Maybe. Do we want to try? Personally, I sure as heck don't. Haha.<br />
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We could be really specific too. We could name the articles: "''Jay Freedman's Unique View of Mr.God''" or maybe "''Green Dragon's Ultimate View of Mr.God''". But, thats pretty lame, ain't it. Not to mention redundant and childish.<br />
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We could name them by Religion. Things like "''God: by the Catholics''" or "''God: by the Baptists''" or maybe "''God: by the Mormons''". Do we want all those technicalities here on D&D wiki? Well, thats up to Green Dragon, isn't it? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess when it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== God (3.5e Deity): An Article or a Category? ==<br />
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In your opinion should "''God (3.5e Deity)''" be an Article or a Category? Simply list your opinion below in only one word if possible. Thanks! You guys rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The category of "God" is already covered by [[:Category:Deity]], or what do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly! "God" is a category not an article. This article is too broad in it's scope. To large, to uncertain, to unpredictable. Even if we were to limit this article to simply, lets say, a Dictionaries definition of "God". Could you gain consensus for this definition? Would everybody agree on that specific terminology?<br />
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::Probably not, because everybody has a different definition for God. Heck, I would even argue that [[:Category:Deity]] is equal to [[God (3.5e Deity)]]. Because every single article found within [[:Category:Deity]] could in fact be included within the article [[God (3.5e Deity)]] and still be considered "true" and "correct". Yes, all of them. Therefore, [[God (3.5e Deity)]] is equal to [[:Category:Deity]]. Thus making this article no longer necessary. In conclusion, I propose we make this broad and unassuming article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]]. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I think you are getting a bit too theological for what is, ultimately, just a homebrew RPG description. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I completely agree with you. I am, in fact, being too theological. However, I also believe I am correct. Making this article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]] is the best logical choice for this wiki to pursue. Socially, logically, and theologically speaking. Good insight Jazzman. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Except D&D Wiki is, ultimately, about D&D. The question this article brings up is: How does "God" fit into D&D? This article is not about making a Bible-correct article about God. That would be the Wikipedia article on God (or Conservapedia, who knows). This article is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D; a fantasy world with unlimited possibilities. This article needs to encompass the idea of "unlimited possibilities" and "infinite ways" not "what does the Bible say about God in relation to planet earth". Or do mean something else? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh goodness, you mentioned Conservapedia. (Ironically, this article is longer than theirs.) But on topic, I agree with GD. If it bothers you that this article doesn't describe God completely (and it can't anyway), then just pretend it describes a different god who happens to have the same name. Redirecting it to the category doesn't really help this wiki. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I would really like to stress this is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D. One could add things like "In a campaign with God all other [[3.5e Deities|deities]] are considered "Hero's" and God created everything." Who knows. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Okay, I think I understand. I thought this article was asking "Who is God in D&D?". The answer of course is, "Whatever you want him to be." But now, I understand that GD is asking "How does God fit into D&D?". A completely different question.<br />
::::::::So, I ask the question. How does God fit "into" D&D? The answer I get again is, "Anyway you want him to." He is anybody, anything, anyway, and anyhow you would like him to be. Man, is it really that easy? I guess so. Kinda just like Jazzman said, "Then just pretend it describes a different God who happens to have the same name." Nice work guys! When it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer! Good luck! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not know for certain. However, although God is the creator of everything, doesn't He also have codes he is by? He definitely has Dogma (10 Commandments). Or would you say that is just a group of followers getting issued decreases by Him? I don't know, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::He, She, It? I don't know what to call God. As for Dogma?... Everybody thinks God's Dogma is different. Jews say one thing, Christian's say another, and Muslims say something else. They all call him God. The only thing they all have in common when it comes to the 10 commandments is the Prophet Moses. Moses is accepted by all three world religions, so they all have a place for the 10 Commandments somewhere in their Official Doctrine. Sorry but, I'm afraid Dogma is just as sketchy as anything else. No consensus there either. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::(I am assuming this is the Christian one) Maybe this should be moved to God, Christian then? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, why not. "God, Christian Faith" sounds perfect for this article. It is less ambiguous and all of the current information is correct under these circumstances. Good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::I moved it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=518263Talk:God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)2011-05-14T03:26:30Z<p>Archetyper: /* Lawful Good? */ I see that I am not the first person to recognize that that 'Lawful Good' alignment is abrahamic propaganda.</p>
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<div>== Title Change ==<br />
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God is a misleading title. I suggest it to be changed to Holy Trinity. Votes? --[[User:201.230.125.85|201.230.125.85]] 19:27, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Agreed. This is very Holy Trinity. God may be too broad a title for an article this specific. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:48, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Necessary? ==<br />
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Is this page really necessary? Deities are mostly campaign specific aren't they? If in a campaign a people worship the Christ should it be better to just link it to wikipedia? Well it just an observation.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 12:10, 17 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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:This is stupid. as was said above, you. are. supposed. to. be. ROLEPLAYING! not showing how pious and religious you are.<br />
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::This is totally out of place. 1: there are plenty of evil christ-worshipers. 2:if you really think this should exist, shouldn't the favored weapon be a HAMMER since he was a carpenter? i don't think he likes whips after everything that happened. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 00:45, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Christ drove out the merchants from the Temple with a small whip. He called it a den of theives. Its the only time he used a weapon other than his voice. I thought it was a funny joke to have it as a favored weapon. --[[User:129.123.252.131|129.123.252.131]] 10:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Any religion can be worshiped in D&D. Deities and Demigods even gives the Greek, Egyptian, and Asgardian deities. Why should European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Western beliefs be diminished? While it says you should not worship a monotheistic religion, it is by all means possible to do so. D&D is as imaginative as you want it to be. The idea of a monotheistic religion based in D&D where almost every other people is pagan could bring interesting ideas to the world of the players. Just because it is a real world religion does not mean it isn't possible for the game of unlimited possibilities. Sure, there are evil Christ worshipers, but their are evil worshipers of every faith. If they really are evil Christ worshipers, are they really worshiping Christ? Or are they just saying they are? An "evil Christ worshiper" to me sounds more like a satanist: someone who worships everything that Christianity tells you not to. If you think about it, the Nine Hells of Baator were designed after Dante's inferno: Hell. The Seven Celestias of Heaven are like Heaven itself: many different ranks of angels all leading to the highest angel. Would it not be interesting to add Cherubs or even Seraphs to D&D? How would you like to be walking around, doing your own thing in the world, when a 6 winged angel with an epic voice, and once that you can really only see its mouth appears to you and tells you that your God needs you to do something for Him or for His faith? A cleric would actually have say an actual Holy Text to work from with the Bible. It could really be an RP based thing for a Cleric of this religion. Most religions in D&D are either for RP reasons or for religious classes, such as the cleric. Thus if you play one of those, its all about showing how pious and religious you are. You cannot say its stupid just because you do not believe in it in real life. You can role play a Christ following Cleric in D&D. Think about it to, their are all those sacred vows in the book of exalted deeds, including the one where you give up material possessions. The very idea of Christianity is to love man and give up everything you own to follow Christ. That feat is practically made for a cleric of this faith. --[[User:Hepo|Hepo]]. October 31, 2009<br />
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:::::Agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Correctness ==<br />
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|They believe Christ created the entire universe, earth, and all that inhabit it. The belief in Christ also believes in Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind from eternal doom in Hell.<br />
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Don't Christians think God created everything though? And the Jesus Christ part sounds quite Mormon - or am I wrong? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:All Christians believe God created everything. The Mormons just believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate personages. Mormons still believe God created everything. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:37, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::Yeah, this says Christ created everything though. That should probably be changed, I would imagine. And I think I am wrong about referencing the LDS faith - they say "Heavenly Father", I was thinking of something else. And this could just be changed to "God" and not "Christ"... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:12, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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|In addition, they were to travel all the land and spread the news of the good King to anyone and everyone to save as many from being condemned to Baator, or Hell. God, or Jehovah, is viewed as the God of All Creation, Love, and Mercy, for He is all that is good and just and created all that exists. He is also a jealous God, for He is not pleased by those who worship other gods. Nobody is out of the reach of His grace and mercy (and also His wrath). He loves all and welcomes any and all into His Kingdom as long as they are a believer in the Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah.<br />
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:::What is this part talking about? Is Jehovah God? And this does not work with the alignment (wrath, jealous, etc). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::Those changes are all fine, its just that some names are interchangeable. Muslim belief is in Allah, and Christian and Judaism belief is in Jehovah (obviously two different aspects of the belief). Jesus Christ is God, therefore God is Christ. The only thing that really separates them (that I am aware of) is when Jesus says only the Father knows when the end times will be and that he does not. Clarifying that even though Jesus is God, he is still man and does not share God's thoughts. Anywho, that was the reason those were written. Remember, the New Testament says God to be love, but the Old Testament shows God's wrath and how He will use war to fix things or get things for His people (Sodom and Gomorrah and His people attacking the lands of Israel, the promised lands). The Bible also does talk about God being a jealous God, once again, more so in the Old Testament. To try to place God's personality is difficult because you can't just read one part. He is lawful good because He is all that is good and He expects His followers to do their best to follow His decrees (think about it, you were to be stoned to death if you do not obey His command of keeping the Sabbath day holy and not working on it. That is laying down the law right there). Also note, that in the clergy part, it talks about latin being the language of the mass. Technically, Jesus was a Jew, and thus His language was Hebrew. Hebrew would be, in effect, the language of the faith.<br />
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::::An alignment describes a general behavior. Not the absolute dictation on RP. Having a lawful good character who occasionally lies is acceptable because the lawful good alignment just gives a basis to the way you should act. Paladins, are an exception, as they must represent their alignment and faith at all costs. --68.61.179.244<br />
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:::::If you want to get technical, God himself is all good alignments at the same time, so if we have to choose, he would be Neutral Good, not Lawful. His clerics thus can be any good alignment. And yes, there are evil clerics of Him, but they do not truly worship Him in their hearts. As it is written "By their fruits thereof thou shalt know them", I'd look it up for you if I wasn't going to bed right now. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 07:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lawful Good? ==<br />
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Lawful, yes, but Good? The Judeo-Christian god to me seems a bit too keen on the smiting and nuking of civilizations. Not to mention the fact that he orders his followers to execute people based on things such as sexual orientation or the fact that they choose to work on the sabbath.<br />
His actions based on my readings of the bible in no way portray what is known within the D&D realm to be "Good."<br />
Pelor would not kill thousands of children because of the disobedience of one king, nor would Heironeous ever blast a city off the face of the planet because of a little bit of sin on the part of a PORTION of its citizens.<br />
Therefore, I suggest altering the alignment of God to reflect his true nature: Lawful Neutral. <br />
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:I see that I am not the first person to recognize that that 'Lawful Good' alignment is abrahamic propaganda. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 21:26, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:The '''followers''' of the Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Yahweh/Yeshua ben Joseph/etc etc. believe that their deity is a lawful good deity. It has been roleplayed a million times in the sense of the over-zealous paladin of pelor or heironeous ''(yes, they would do it - if they thought that it was good)''. Though a non-follower may disagree ''(read: every other party member of the over-zealous paladin)'', that doesn't change the alignment. That being said, I must disagree. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::"Lawful, yes, but Good?" Who are you to question the motives of the Almighty? Next to Him, we are but insects. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 23:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Okay....I'm not even sure how to reply to that. I'm not the one questioning ''"the Almighty"'', as you put it. The Judeo-Christian God is definitely LG to all of his followers. That really ends any debate on the subject. If you personally feel like the deity would make a better LN God, then just simply make a variant. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Relax, Hooper, I meant the dude above you. You're OK. \m/ I always said He was all good alignments as one, but that anybody could worship Him, even if they were evil. What I meant was this guy uses the same tired arguments to say "God isn't good" when he wasn't there when these places (Sodom & such) got destroyed, and how are we really to question the reason behind their demise? Sure, Pelor wouldn't do that, but he's FICTIONAL... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 06:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::D&D has created a category which they name ''"Good"''. Is the ''"D&D Good"'' the same as ''"God's Good"''? No. God says good is ''"God's Good"'' and D&D says good is ''"D&D Good"''. They are all different types of good. So, does God have to conform to ''"D&D Good"''? Or, does D&D have to conform to ''"God's Good"''? Answer: No on both counts.<br />
:::::It is okay for them to be different. If I say God is not good, that just means he ain't ''"Jay Good"''. Sometimes it is okay to think outside the box. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Right, to say something is real needs proof. I live in Utah. Mormons, through the Book of Mormon, believe in a few battles. Anthropologists looked into these battles and were not able to find any evidence at the point of conflict. Does this make them fake? No, I guess God could have just removed it. Does this make them unbelievable? To some, of course. To others, no. It all depends. Extrapolating this makes things very subjective.<br />
::::::About the "Lawful Good" making it seem as if one can understand God and that going against Christianity could be the case. Do you think it could just be changed to "Lawful Good*" and then "* &mdash; God is not understandable. Based off His actions in The Bible this comes the closest to a D&D categorical match for His actions therein. If you are thinking it is implied as a given, it is not.". I don't know. What do people think about including something like that? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If it has the potential to be a big deal, just put '''"Rule 0"''' or '''"DM's Choice"'''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I agree with Hooper here. But... Perhaps we aren't looking at the big picture? See my topics below. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::OP here, I'll have to say I agree with Hooper as well. Though I did find Danzig calling Pelor fictional to be ironic seeing as he did so when referring to his own mythical deity. {{unsigned|173.85.194.213}}<br />
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::::::::::I never said my God was fictional. Maybe you think He is, but that's your loss. Also sign your post so I know who this is above me being an immature atheist douche. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You, sir, have fallen for a troll. (And he's feinted you into acting rather unchristian as well). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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By no means did I intend to troll. However, it does really irritate me when someone gets all "holier than thou" and hypocritical at the same time. How was I being immature? I merely asked a question with the intent to provoke intellectual discussion.<br />
Religious zealots don't understand that to someone not indoctrinated, their deity doesn't really stand out among the thousands of mythos created by man.<br />
In terms of an intellectual debate, the burden of proof rests in the hands of those that make claims beyond normal reason.<br />
In order to have such a discussion free of hypocrisy, there are two options:<br />
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1: The rules of the discussion maintain a neutral basis on rational thinking and arguments without logical support hold no value. Here, all mythologies are treated equally as mythology. The abilities and flaws of Athena and Jehova can be compared on an intellectual basis with no bias. Those that partake in any belief systems discussed are forced to step down from their pedestal and join everyone else on the level plane of reason.<br />
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2: A discussion where subjective beliefs are respected as absolute truths. This means anyone can enter and present an argument with no required support and zero rational basis but all other members of the discussion must not challenge any aspect of their claims. This means that while one person insists on the truth of the bible, another can present an argument for their belief in Kord and nobody can question either as we cannot harm someone's sensibility with grounded logic.<br />
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So I beg of you all, for the sake of rationality and as creatures of intellect, please check your faith at the door and try to be objective when entering an intelligent discussion.<br />
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:I think you are in the wrong place if you want a solid debate about religion. This is a gaming website. If you want to discuss whether or not God exists, try [http://rationalwiki.com/ RationalWiki]. If you want to discuss ''how'' God fits into D&D, then you are in the right place, but flippantly calling Him mythical while in discussion with believers is trolling, whether or not it's your intention. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ahem. Since my last comments got deleted... I'll just ditto Jazzman here. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::OP, it's a two-way street. You don't insult my faith, and I will from now on not insult your lack thereof. Do we have a deal? And furthermore, it is not being unChristian to speak up about being trolled. Christians have just as many rights on this wiki as anyone. As Jazzman pointed out, all we're here on this page for is to add a real-world deity to a fictional setting. I figured, if you're gonna add the Christian God to D&D, might as well get it right. Barring using either Jesus or YHWH in D&D, though, one could always just use Ilmater, if real-world historical deities in D&D bother you. But then again, what about people who use Set, Osiris, Kali, or Dagon? The game is what you make of it. Just don't troll me, and I won't verbally lash out. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 18:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Is it okay to be multiple alignments at once?==<br />
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Since this ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' can be whatever the GM wants him to be? Can we list him as "Alignment: Any"? Can we list him as "Alignment: All"? Can we list him as both? Does Mr.God need an alignment for this article? Lets assume Mr.God needs an alignment for this article because GD says so. Just for pretend, of course.<br />
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I, myself, would list him as "Alignment: Whatever tickles your pickle". Why? Because every single person has a different opinion and view of what God really is. The problem with this is... Then isn't there a different ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' for every single person in the entire world? Yes. Can we list them all right here on D&D wiki? Maybe. Do we want to try? Personally, I sure as heck don't. Haha.<br />
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We could be really specific too. We could name the articles: "''Jay Freedman's Unique View of Mr.God''" or maybe "''Green Dragon's Ultimate View of Mr.God''". But, thats pretty lame, ain't it. Not to mention redundant and childish.<br />
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We could name them by Religion. Things like "''God: by the Catholics''" or "''God: by the Baptists''" or maybe "''God: by the Mormons''". Do we want all those technicalities here on D&D wiki? Well, thats up to Green Dragon, isn't it? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess when it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== God (3.5e Deity): An Article or a Category? ==<br />
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In your opinion should "''God (3.5e Deity)''" be an Article or a Category? Simply list your opinion below in only one word if possible. Thanks! You guys rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The category of "God" is already covered by [[:Category:Deity]], or what do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly! "God" is a category not an article. This article is too broad in it's scope. To large, to uncertain, to unpredictable. Even if we were to limit this article to simply, lets say, a Dictionaries definition of "God". Could you gain consensus for this definition? Would everybody agree on that specific terminology?<br />
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::Probably not, because everybody has a different definition for God. Heck, I would even argue that [[:Category:Deity]] is equal to [[God (3.5e Deity)]]. Because every single article found within [[:Category:Deity]] could in fact be included within the article [[God (3.5e Deity)]] and still be considered "true" and "correct". Yes, all of them. Therefore, [[God (3.5e Deity)]] is equal to [[:Category:Deity]]. Thus making this article no longer necessary. In conclusion, I propose we make this broad and unassuming article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]]. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I think you are getting a bit too theological for what is, ultimately, just a homebrew RPG description. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I completely agree with you. I am, in fact, being too theological. However, I also believe I am correct. Making this article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]] is the best logical choice for this wiki to pursue. Socially, logically, and theologically speaking. Good insight Jazzman. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Except D&D Wiki is, ultimately, about D&D. The question this article brings up is: How does "God" fit into D&D? This article is not about making a Bible-correct article about God. That would be the Wikipedia article on God (or Conservapedia, who knows). This article is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D; a fantasy world with unlimited possibilities. This article needs to encompass the idea of "unlimited possibilities" and "infinite ways" not "what does the Bible say about God in relation to planet earth". Or do mean something else? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh goodness, you mentioned Conservapedia. (Ironically, this article is longer than theirs.) But on topic, I agree with GD. If it bothers you that this article doesn't describe God completely (and it can't anyway), then just pretend it describes a different god who happens to have the same name. Redirecting it to the category doesn't really help this wiki. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I would really like to stress this is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D. One could add things like "In a campaign with God all other [[3.5e Deities|deities]] are considered "Hero's" and God created everything." Who knows. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Okay, I think I understand. I thought this article was asking "Who is God in D&D?". The answer of course is, "Whatever you want him to be." But now, I understand that GD is asking "How does God fit into D&D?". A completely different question.<br />
::::::::So, I ask the question. How does God fit "into" D&D? The answer I get again is, "Anyway you want him to." He is anybody, anything, anyway, and anyhow you would like him to be. Man, is it really that easy? I guess so. Kinda just like Jazzman said, "Then just pretend it describes a different God who happens to have the same name." Nice work guys! When it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer! Good luck! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not know for certain. However, although God is the creator of everything, doesn't He also have codes he is by? He definitely has Dogma (10 Commandments). Or would you say that is just a group of followers getting issued decreases by Him? I don't know, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::He, She, It? I don't know what to call God. As for Dogma?... Everybody thinks God's Dogma is different. Jews say one thing, Christian's say another, and Muslims say something else. They all call him God. The only thing they all have in common when it comes to the 10 commandments is the Prophet Moses. Moses is accepted by all three world religions, so they all have a place for the 10 Commandments somewhere in their Official Doctrine. Sorry but, I'm afraid Dogma is just as sketchy as anything else. No consensus there either. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::(I am assuming this is the Christian one) Maybe this should be moved to God, Christian then? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, why not. "God, Christian Faith" sounds perfect for this article. It is less ambiguous and all of the current information is correct under these circumstances. Good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==D20 Modern==<br />
Saw your question. When it comes to D20 Modern, I've always found [[User:Crysis2]] to be pretty knowledgeable about it. he has been a user for years, and seems to come and go at random. He may have the email enabled so try hitting him up on his talk page. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, though it looks like he has the same limitations that I have in editing locked pages. I was hoping I could find an admin as a go-to when I find things in the MSRD that need fixed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hard Worker==<br />
Saw all the edits you have been doing to the Modern section. Nice work. I've seen anybody tackle such a difficult project. If I had cookies I would give them to you. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ha ha, thanks! That side of the wiki looks all sad and alone, so I figured I could be it's friend. Though I can't say I'm surprised; even WoTC hardly supports d20M anymore. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey, I love d20 Modern just fine, but not enough people seem to be interested in playing it. Damn shame too, it's a buttload easier to come up with a character name, among other things. I'll even see about maybe adding some things in if I get the time. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ha ha ha true! I got into roleplaying through D&D, and I still love it, but for some reason ever since I discovered Modern I'm more interested in it. Part of it is because when I play online, there's a glut of D&D games around, and a lot of them are poorly written and DMed by 13 year olds, so it's harder to get excited about it. Since Modern is a smaller community, the games seem to just better overall. But while I might eventually play another live D&D game, I doubt I'll ever play a live d20M game without specifically seeking one out. (I've never actually played live; all the games I've played in or GMed have been on online boards).<br />
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:::Hrm, I just remembered that I created a class for a game I'm running; maybe I'll add that. I *do* actually have something original to contribute! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Valued Opinion==<br />
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Jazzman your edits just keep coming. Good job. If your not careful someone is gonna give you a medal. haha. Question for ya: Would you mind rating one of my classes for me? [[Biotic Vanguard (3.5e Class)]]. My article won't get many page-views or feedback without at least one rating.<br />
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I've seen many of your contributions and believe you could give a decent estimate about it. If you have any questions just let me know. I'd be happy to talk with you about it. I owe you one. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Sure thing. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it tomorrow (brain's too tired to do any real thinking tonight). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, I appreciate the effort. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam on Main Talk ==<br />
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That has got to be a bot or something. I'm afraid if this keeps up, IP's will have a tough time editing in the future. (Which is just fine with me of course...) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely a bot. I actually prefer it when IPs can edit, because it's something that sticks out on the recent changes. When that IP gets a user name it's harder to find the, uh, less than quality edits :)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I think I'm partially to blame for the bot infestation. I pointed out to GD that the captcha was catching me whenever I put stub tags, but the options are pretty much all or nothing. If it stays bad (and I've been on enough wikis to know that it will), he said he will change it back. But having to fill out the captcha is probably slightly less annoying than reverting spam all day long. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, as long as your happy reverting spam? Whatever. Personally, I hate the stupid robots. But, thats just me. Haha. I mean, what is so hard about getting a username and actually building up some street-cred? To much anonymous stuff with doing it any other way. Dirty robots, grrr... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh I can't stand reverting IP spam. It's sooo much easier (not to mention cheaper) for a spammer to make a robot to do his dirty work. He'd never create an account first, because then he'd actually have to learn about all the wiki's he's vandalizing. And adding links like piuhgsoiurg.com only works if you put it on millions of websites.... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ReCaptcha may be implemented again, it just depends on the possibilities which MW can now do relating to edits grouped by usergroup and edit types. For example, to the best of my knowledge, it does not allow usergroup: IP to just have ReCaptchas. It clumps Users and IP's together for some reason. Used to not though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::{{Anti-Vandal Barnstar|For reverting spam on many deleted pages and overall helping keep D&D Wiki clean from vandals' work throughout the last couple of days, I give you this Barnstar. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:::::Thanks for the barnstar!<br />
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:::::Which version of ReCaptcha are we using? I don't know a lot about MW extensions, but [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ this] makes it look like you can force captchas on IP's (and it does it by default), which is all we need. The latest version they have is 1.7, which looks to be several years old now. I dunno, reverting vandalism isn't too bad; it's getting my edit count up :) I doubt that it will drop off, since it's coming from bots, but it probably won't increase, either, so I'm not too bothered about it right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::If it can get worse, it will. And it will get worse. This is the internet. Nothing is sacred here. Congrats on your Barnstar! You deserve it. Lets get recaptcha working again for those pesky IP's. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Good work keeping D&D Wiki clean of those pesky spam pages! They're such a pain. Keep it up! [[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:15, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
:Thanks! I do try my best :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:47, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== To Avoid Getting Into a Twink Debate on Critical Potential ==<br />
Actually, what was proposed was to stack some levels in dervish to get some further utility out of using a weapon with an 18-20 crit range (In this case scimitars), and for an all-evil campaign, that'd be an interesting character (Although, no pun intended, you're playing devil's advocate). Note that I actually added something to the discussion by bringing up the hindrances caused by the prestige class instead of solely posting just to give him flak. There's a lot of really cool stuff in Vile Darkness, but it has a very limited scope of use in most DnD campaigns because of the evil pre-reqs. Name Violation and I were actually having a pretty interesting discussion until you and 71.114.210.152 decided to rally behind a banner for a fight no one was actually participating in, and for that I'm sorry. I'll have to remember some of you here aren't as thick-skinned as me mates back in my own DnD group. --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:If you can't be bothered to respond without veiled insults, I see no reason to bother continuing the discussion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::My point is that 71.114.210.152 blew his top and responded to a discussion about maxing a character's potential and made it into a diatribe against people he felt were persecuting him. I really am sorry, but understand that I get snide about such things as a sort of harmless teasing. Was "damn twink" really that offensive to you? --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I didn't read all the IP's comments, actually, but yeah he was way out of line, though he actually had a good point. (Secret: I automatically assume that anyone who posts as an IP is a 13 year old who's off his meds and is too lazy to figure out how the site works. It tends to work out correctly most of the time.)<br />
:::The phrase "damn twink" itself didn't bother me, what bothered me was your objection to optimizing in what is ultimately an optimization thread, and then repeating your objection, despite two separate people telling you it was unnecessary and unwarranted. Honestly, though, I probably wouldn't have responded a second time had you not criticized the IP for using "big words". It bugs me to death that using proper English, especially on the internet, is seen as a valid excuse to bring someone down. It'd be one thing if anyone on that page were using arcane language that was only extant in order to impress, but everything the IP said should be understandable to anyone with a high school reading comprehension level. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I criticized IP for assuming 1) I was a troll, and 2) That, as a troll, I wouldn't have the capacity to use nor understand polysyllabic words. I enjoy conversing with people who have a cultured vocabulary, but it's just pretentious when they call attention to it since, like I said, having an expansive vocabulary hasn't been impressive since the publication of the first thesaurus. I could look through the online thesaurus right now and easily double the length of this post by simply swapping out simpler words with their more prestigious synonyms. I agree he did have a somewhat valid point, since I am a little prejudiced towards potential twinks (We have one in our group, but he's gotten much better about it), but I do enjoy figuring out how to maximize a character's potential, so long as it's clever and in the spirit of playing the game vs. playing the system.<br />
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I'm glad we were able to work this out because your discussion page would imply that you're a really reasonable guy, and I realize I often come off as abrasive to people who don't know me that well.--[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 18:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Adminship ==<br />
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I guess I never directly asked you if you would like to be an admin. Would you like to be nominated for adminship? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, thank you for nominating me! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Welcome to Adminship. You are now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. I recommend you take a look at [[Special:ListGroupRights]] if you have not already. Some of the the new features' uses pertaining to D&D Wiki follow. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.<br />
::*Deleting pages is normally done through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". If this page consisted of close to just the preload, just delete it.<br />
::*Protecting pages has quite a few different times when it should be used. Pages should be protected according to the author's wishes (with [[Template:Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of conflict (with [[Template:Temp Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of [[Help:FAQ#What are OGL, OGC, SRD, and GNU FPL?|OGC]] published materials (with [[Template:OGL Top]] added to the top of the page in question and [[Template:OGL Bottom]] added to the bottom), or finally if the page is a vital part of D&D Wiki's organization. If it deals with D&D Wiki's organization it either needs to be be protected from IP edits or all non-sysop edits. As a rule of thumb pages up to two tiers deep (up for discussion/rethinking) from the [[Main Page]] are normally locked to anyone but sysops and all the others are just protected from IP edits. For Example [[3.5e Homebrew]] is protected from all non-sysop edits whereas a deeper in page like [[LA 0 Races]] is only protected from IP edits. No template needs to be added to pages if they are part of D&D Wiki's organization (even though some do exist like [[Template:Admin Locked Page]])<br />
::*Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found either on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] or the diff in question) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. Certain things demand a longer block and others a shorter. No standards have been set for block lengths, use your best judgment.<br />
::*Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] and the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. Feel free to edit them if you find inaccuracies. If interested further please look at the [[SRD Talk:System Reference Document#SRD ToDo List|SRD ToDO List]] or the [[MSRD Talk:Modern System Reference Document#Tasks|MSRD tasks]]. Of course that is only the base. There is never enough help to get everything done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.<br />
::*Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes reviewing the content with templates, answering questions, sending MoI's, etc).<br />
::I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on yourself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Awesome! I'll do you proud. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::D&D Wiki proud, but ya welcome once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh yeah, I meant the royal "you". Or something. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::As a side note please remember to check WhatLinksHere when deleting something. E.g. [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Age_of_War_(4e_Campaign_Setting)], and when deleting something campaign setting related make sure to deal with and delete the related categories. E.g. [[:Category:Age of War Setting]] and [:Category:Age of War Setting Player's Guide Setting]] (to strike out when deleted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I'm working my way through them. I didn't think I'd need to worry about user pages, but I can change those. Two of the pages might still be usable outside of the campaign setting, so I'm figuring out now what to do with them. Other than that I think I removed all of the WhatLinksHere's, though I did get a little discombobulated towards the end there with 50 million tabs open. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::(edit conflict) Those categories are on my to-do list as well. That campaign setting is HUMONGOUS (though almost entirely empty). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Campaign setting rating ==<br />
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I just noticed that recently you rated my campaign setting a 2. I can't argue with that rating, its accurate for how far along my setting is. However, it would be nice if you could hold off on rating untill more of my setting is complete, that way it isn't poorly rated because I am working very hard on finnishing it, and if you look through the pages I'm sure you can be apreciative of whats to come. :) Thanks!--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's no biggie, I just wanted to clear out the "unrated campaign settings" category, so I rated everything. As you fill out the setting feel free to bump up it's rating. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I can understand why you rated. Also, you've been doing a fair bit of work recently cleaning up the wiki, deleting pages, rating setting etc. Anything I could do to help? I've always wanted to clean up a bit around the wiki. :D--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, right now I'm going through the candidates for deletion, which can only be done by admins. The rest of the stuff I'm kind of doing randomly as I see it. If you ever find yourself in need of something to do, what I've been doing is going to [[Meta Pages]], finding a category that needs work and getting to it. [[:Category:Wording Issues]], [[:Category:Needs Balance]], [[:Category:Formatting Issues]] and [[:Category:Stub]] are piling on entries much quicker than they are losing them. <br />
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:::Or if you want a REALLY fun project, you can go through [[Special:DoubleRedirects]], make sure the WhatLinksHere pages are clear, then add delete tags to all of them. I'm kind of dreading getting to that myself :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Some reasoning's for clearing out the unrated can be seen [[Template:Campaign Setting Rating/meta#Frequent Comments/Questions|here]]. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh wow, that's really helpful. I haven't seen that before, maybe it should be linked on the CS Rating template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Awesome, thanks for the list. I'm working a lot on finnishing my campaign setting ([[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Orion]], you can check out and comment on some of the finnished pages if ya want ;)) but in my free time, that sounds great. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== firearms and non lethal damage ==<br />
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since i noticed you like modern (judging from all the edits) i thought you may be the person to ask. How do you justify a -4 to hit with a firearm to do non lethal damage? if you hit them with a bullet, you hit them with a bullet. it doesn't make alot of sense to me. Describing it as "you graze them" doesnt really cut it IMHO. whats your take on it? --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 03:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, in d20 Modern you can't deal nonlethal damage with a ranged weapon unless you are using it as an improvised melee weapon (i.e. hitting someone in the face with your gun). See [[MSRD:Death,_Dying,_and_Healing#Nonlethal_Damage|here]]. It's a good thing, too, because I'm not sure I ''could'' justify non-lethal munitions damage, especially with the way nonlethal damage is handled in Modern. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::thank you. i never knew modern made the distinction for no nonlethal for ranged (short of rubber bullets). now i know, and knowing is half the battle. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 04:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem :) It's one of those things that's in the back of my head somewhere, I had to look it up to be sure. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion Jay==<br />
Anything marked "delete", ''Needs'' to be deleted. They are a stain upon my honor. However, you are actually not allowed to delete a page only upon authors request. That is true. In that case, just get rid of the author box and slap a "needs balance" tag on it. But seriously, thou's articles are s***. Thanks Jazz. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Meh, they don't seem that bad to me, but if that's what you want. I'll go through them and see what needs to be done. Honestly, after looking through so many articles (other than yours), I think we need to implement some sort of "it's not great so it's gone" policy. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Double redirects ==<br />
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Ok, I changed the first redirect so it links directly to the third, however the second redirect has no 'what links here' option. The second redirect page is [[800 CE (DnD Campaign Setting)|800 CE]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What you are looking for is the "toolbox" on the left-hand side of the page. It's the first link in that box. In this case, the what links here page ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/800_CE_(DnD_Campaign_Setting)|here]]) has a TON of links on it. If it has that many, don't worry about changing all of them.<br />
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:Oh, and I remembered one more thing. Before you change the first redirect, check out the what links there. If no pages link to that page either, then add the delete tag with the "unneeded redirect" as the reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::However if not all of them are changed, some links will go red when they shouldn't. Is there something I can do in this case? Because it doesn't feel right just letting a whole bunch of links go...--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, don't put a delete tag if any pages link to that page. If any links are left, then don't worry about deleting it. Usually when I go through the deletion category my process is this: 1) decide if the page should get deleted, 2) check "what links here", changing all links that point to that page, then 3) delete the page. If you go through and do steps 1 and 2, then I can do 3 a lot faster.<br />
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:::Basically, the first priority is getting rid of the double redirects, because those pages are broken. If you click on page 1, it won't redirect twice and land you on page 3, it will land on page 2 and get "stuck". Second priority is getting rid of redirects that don't have anything pointing to them. For instance, on that page where you accidentally typed 3.5we instead of 3.5e, when I moved it back it created a redirect, but it's unnecessary, since nobody will ever need to click on a link that says 3.5we. Third priority is avoiding redirects entirely; it's cleaner that way, but not really necessary. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I think I understand this completely now... and it's starting to feel kinda hopeless. ''':P''' Anyways, I'll do a few a day and see if I can finish by 2011. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Ha ha ha, yeah. When I get into one of my moods I'll help you out. The good thing is, once it's done, it'll be really easy to stay on top of. I think the fact that there's so much to be done is what's gotten it to where it is in the first place. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Help==<br />
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Hey, I didn't want to bother GD with this cause I've been bugging him a lot lately and you seem to know what your doing here on the wiki. Whenever I go to [[:Category:Orion]] page it auto takes me to an edit preview page with the category text on it except nothing in the edit box. Is it doing this for you, and do you know what in the world is going on here? Oh, and its saying that the page doesn't exist, hence the red link.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nvm, I figured it out, sorry for bothering you! Oh, and you can delete this message if you want to. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Heh, glad to be of help :p<br />
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::Yeah, categories are strange beasts. They "work" (display content) even if they don't exist yet. But I guess you just figured that out. They also can't be moved, which buggers things up as well. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Klas Wullt ==<br />
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I would like to talk about my classes!<br />
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My msn:swedenplus@yahoo.com<br />
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:Sorry about the delay, but I have requested to be added to your buddylist. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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Hey, since the sandbox auto cleaning no longer works, if I'm ever on and the sandbox hasn't been cleaned in the last three hours and their is something on it, should I go through it and emtpy it? Seing as thats how often it was supposed to be cleaned by the bot.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's pretty much what I've been doing, yeah. I don't know if it's really important to have an empty sandbox, but it gives me something to do. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Understanding D20 Modern ==<br />
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You seem to be very into d20m stuff, so I thought I would pop buy and ask you my question. Normal D&D uses a specific rule set, however D&D adventures may include anything from bone clubs to machine guns. Does this work the same way for d20m to? So could something designed using the d20m rule set, however still set in medieval times be proper for d20m? I didn't think it would generally, however seeing as normal 3.5e works both ways, why not modern? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, yes. But unlike D&D, where you have to invent rules for modern times or else find a third party sourcebook, WotC has published both [[d20 Past]] and [[d20 Future]] (and [[d20 Apocalypse]], if you think the future will end disastrously), so most of the gruntwork has been done for you. IIRC, though, d20 Past has some information about early history, but is only fully fleshed out from ~1500's and beyond. There's no reason you couldn't use the system to go earlier than that, but you'd definitely be grabbing a lot of stuff from D&D at that point. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok cool, thanks for the nice response. I'm not to familiar with d20 anyways, but it's nice to know if I ever get into it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 17:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem. I love the system and there aren't nearly enough players. I'll take any chance to convert I can get! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==modern question==<br />
Do you happen to know the name of the alien computer people playable race from the d20 future book? they got implants and stuff... i dont have my books around me and its buggun the hell outta me.--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you thinking of Aleerin? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::yes, thanks. I'm going to use them in a DnD campaign as warforged from the future--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oooh that sounds like a fun idea. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spammers ==<br />
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It's pretty clear that spam bothers you as much as it bothers me and a few others here. You, however, are an admin. I notice whenever Green Dragon reverts spam he bans the IP poster. Can you ban people as an admin, or do you need other rights? Do you think banning random IPs is even worth it? Do you have the ability to ban an IP range? Would that be more effective, without causing too much collateral damage? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I can ban IPs, but I choose not to for the most part. If I see the same IP has made two spam edits I'll block them, but 95% of IP spammers change IPs after every edit, and I don't want to eventually have blocked every IP. I think I can block IP ranges, though you have to be ''really'' careful, because it's easy to block too many. I'll look into that and see if it's worth it.<br />
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:What I've been doing in the mean time is any time I see a page has been spammed more than once I block IP editing on that page for a couple months. Don't know if it does anything but it's wortha shot.<br />
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:What we really need to do is put the Captcha back on. The problem with that is that GD says it's all or nothing; if IP's have to fill out Captcha, then so do the rest of the users. If he can find a way to get it so that *only* anons have to use it, then that will solve all of our problems. (The captcha is something that only bureaucrats have access to, which I think at this time is only Green and Blue Dragon). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Can we make it so that you only need to add a captcha for edits containing external links? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere, either here or wikipedia or some other wiki... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's how we set it up before. The problem is it considers things like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman831&action=edit this] an external link (diffs as well, which are used much more often), even though it's only linking back to D&D wiki. I guess the question is which do you find more annoying? GD said he'd be glad to turn captchas back on if spam gets worse. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ehh, I guess I rarely use those. I mean, sure I do, but less than once a week, probably. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool, I'll leave a note on GD's page. (And btw, I'm definitely seeing a benefit to the tavern now...)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening MoI ==<br />
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Since you commented on Green Dragon's talk page about re-opening the tavern, I thought I would let you know that it's been over a week and I have made [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|this discussion]] to ask the community what they think. I would appreciate it if you could stop by and leave your two cents. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I think we edited at the same time :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I mentioned that you are (probably) capable of running an IRC channel, in the tavern discussion we were having on Green Dragon's talk page. I figure I should send you a quick message in case I have overstepped my bounds, and you are unwilling or unable to perform the actions I supposed you could. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:31, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Fixing redirects ==<br />
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As I was moving the DnD pages to 3.5e (using the list you gave me on my talk page) I was also fixing all of the redirects. I got to [[DnD Base Classes]]. Over 500 pages link to it. Now, most of those are probably from the breadcrumb, so I can change that, then should I bother to go through all of the remaining links and change them? I will if you say so, I'm fine with doing it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd fix the breadcrumb first and see what happens from there. If there's 500 pages, then that's a perfect example of how redirects ''should'' be used. I suspect, however, that the breadcrumb is the vast majority. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I fixed the breadcrumb right after I posted here. There were still over 250, however less than 500. About how redirects should be used; I always thought that redirects were just to prevent red links until they were fixed, meaning all redirects should be removed eventually... I think that is even somewhere on the to-do list... --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::If you're talking 250, it should be waaaaaay down on the list. A single redirect really doesn't cause any problems; the only redirects that ''have'' to be fixed are doubles; they don't link properly and page navigation is messed up. But then if you are feeling frisky I certainly won't stop you from fixing the links. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Lol, I think I may just be feeling frisky... tomorrow, or maybe the day after... or the day after that... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam!!! ==<br />
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I have reverted spam on the page [[Reybrah (4e Race)]] more than 6 times today, your the admin who is on the most, so please protect the page before its spammed more! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Holy cow, in the time it took me to protect the page another one spammed it! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 10:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Blocking an IP ==<br />
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The page you just protected, earlier I was reverting the spam then gave up as nobody was protecting it. However when I was doing that I notice that it was the same IP spamming the page. Now that you protected the page, the same IP is spamming ANOTHER page. Please block the IP. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, wasn't paying enough attention. GD got it though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, thanks anyways. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DnD Page Moving ==<br />
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Since you gave me the links I thought I would keep you updated and tell you I had finished moving all of the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 Pages that start with DnD]. I'll be moving on to the other list now. If there was any to-do list this was on (didn't see it on the main one), it can be crossed off. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Woo Hoo! I don't know if there really are any current to do lists, so I'll just mentally cross that off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== IP you blocked ==<br />
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The IP you just blocked... for a year. That seems a little much for one rude edit; I'm not attacking your move, I'm just wondering, why so long? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It was two edits, one of which was attempting to be somewhat sly. I didn't block him from creating an account so if, within that year, he decides to behave there's nothing stopping him from editing. I'm not sure we are really missing much having him gone. I admit I have sort of a weak spot with IP users in general, vandals, and middle-school behavior, so when a 12 year old anonymous user vandalizes I might overreact a little... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::lol, alright, thanks for clearing that up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 13:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lots of broken links ==<br />
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Why are there so many broken links and such across the wiki? Like the conjuration page for example. How did this happen? [[Special:Contributions/98.65.197.239|98.65.197.239]] 04:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Recently the wiki has crashed and changed servers and all kinds of stuff, and now a lot of things aren't working correctly. It's supposed to all be being looked at though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Half-Life Setting ==<br />
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Hey mate. It's Crysis2. I apologize for the lack of formatting with the Half-Life setting. I'm attempting to fix this now. Actually, when I started, I just put down descriptions from other websites. I am deleting them all and replacing them. Anyways, thanks for whipping it into shape. I appreciate it!<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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Hey I noticed you put the delete template on the complete ninja handbook.... For 2.5e.... U said it is nothing but headers... That's because I havent had the time to work on filling it in..... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 16:42, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, that's why I put the delete template. Any page that isn't up to snuff is eligible for deletion... though realistically pages don't get deleted all that often. And really, if someone deleted the blank page, what have you really lost anyway? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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hey... since i always see your name on the sandbox page in the miscellaneous section. i wanted to let you know... someone just edited above the double line again.... do you want me to remove it? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:33, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It's not really that big of a deal, it's just the sandbox. In fact, there's no rule that says only mods can clean it out, so if you ever want to then feel free! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:47, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof ==<br />
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Don't try to spread religious propaganda, in the name of 'preventing someone from sneaking in ideological edits'.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=prev&oldid=518180]<br />
This is a roleplaying site, not a soapbox to spread your abrahamic religion, protecting the pages so that no one can stop you, under the guise of 'preventing vandalism and bickering', and being vindictive enough to wikistalk a person who makes an edit that prevents such propaganda.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Adonai,_God_of_the_Hebrews_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518175]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Adonai,_God_of_the_Hebrews_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518174]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518173]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518172]<br />
[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:45, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:... Propaganda? Really? As you mentioned this is a roleplay site. If we are going to have deities related to actual religions we are going to keep them as broadly applicable as possible. Significantly more people will be offended at calling God "evil" than they will at calling him "good". If this bothers you, then find a religious wiki and discuss it there. As it is, we aim to offend the fewest number of people possible.<br />
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:As for "wikistalking", please remember that I am a moderator, and it is my duty to help upkeep the site. If someone makes one edit that looks suspicious, ideological, trolling, or heck, even someone who forgets to categorize pages or messes up a template, it's my SOP to go through that person's contributions to ensure that they haven't done the same thing elsewhere. You tend to find that a person who does something one time has done it a few times before. If you have a problem with that, then well, I'm sorry. Perhaps the wiki format, with publicly-viewable edit histories, is not for you. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Your argument is clearly insincere, because the thing that would offend the least people would be to not include those two gods in this wiki at all. If the absence of religious propaganda bothers you, then find a religious wiki and post those two deities there. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 20:57, 13 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=518260Talk:God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)2011-05-14T02:07:52Z<p>Archetyper: </p>
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<div>== Title Change ==<br />
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God is a misleading title. I suggest it to be changed to Holy Trinity. Votes? --[[User:201.230.125.85|201.230.125.85]] 19:27, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:Agreed. This is very Holy Trinity. God may be too broad a title for an article this specific. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:48, 8 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Necessary? ==<br />
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Is this page really necessary? Deities are mostly campaign specific aren't they? If in a campaign a people worship the Christ should it be better to just link it to wikipedia? Well it just an observation.--[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] 12:10, 17 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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:This is stupid. as was said above, you. are. supposed. to. be. ROLEPLAYING! not showing how pious and religious you are.<br />
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::This is totally out of place. 1: there are plenty of evil christ-worshipers. 2:if you really think this should exist, shouldn't the favored weapon be a HAMMER since he was a carpenter? i don't think he likes whips after everything that happened. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 00:45, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Christ drove out the merchants from the Temple with a small whip. He called it a den of theives. Its the only time he used a weapon other than his voice. I thought it was a funny joke to have it as a favored weapon. --[[User:129.123.252.131|129.123.252.131]] 10:59, 20 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Any religion can be worshiped in D&D. Deities and Demigods even gives the Greek, Egyptian, and Asgardian deities. Why should European, Middle Eastern, Asian, and Western beliefs be diminished? While it says you should not worship a monotheistic religion, it is by all means possible to do so. D&D is as imaginative as you want it to be. The idea of a monotheistic religion based in D&D where almost every other people is pagan could bring interesting ideas to the world of the players. Just because it is a real world religion does not mean it isn't possible for the game of unlimited possibilities. Sure, there are evil Christ worshipers, but their are evil worshipers of every faith. If they really are evil Christ worshipers, are they really worshiping Christ? Or are they just saying they are? An "evil Christ worshiper" to me sounds more like a satanist: someone who worships everything that Christianity tells you not to. If you think about it, the Nine Hells of Baator were designed after Dante's inferno: Hell. The Seven Celestias of Heaven are like Heaven itself: many different ranks of angels all leading to the highest angel. Would it not be interesting to add Cherubs or even Seraphs to D&D? How would you like to be walking around, doing your own thing in the world, when a 6 winged angel with an epic voice, and once that you can really only see its mouth appears to you and tells you that your God needs you to do something for Him or for His faith? A cleric would actually have say an actual Holy Text to work from with the Bible. It could really be an RP based thing for a Cleric of this religion. Most religions in D&D are either for RP reasons or for religious classes, such as the cleric. Thus if you play one of those, its all about showing how pious and religious you are. You cannot say its stupid just because you do not believe in it in real life. You can role play a Christ following Cleric in D&D. Think about it to, their are all those sacred vows in the book of exalted deeds, including the one where you give up material possessions. The very idea of Christianity is to love man and give up everything you own to follow Christ. That feat is practically made for a cleric of this faith. --[[User:Hepo|Hepo]]. October 31, 2009<br />
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Don't Christians think God created everything though? And the Jesus Christ part sounds quite Mormon - or am I wrong? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:All Christians believe God created everything. The Mormons just believe that the Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are separate personages. Mormons still believe God created everything. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 20:37, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::Yeah, this says Christ created everything though. That should probably be changed, I would imagine. And I think I am wrong about referencing the LDS faith - they say "Heavenly Father", I was thinking of something else. And this could just be changed to "God" and not "Christ"... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:12, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::What is this part talking about? Is Jehovah God? And this does not work with the alignment (wrath, jealous, etc). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 1 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::Those changes are all fine, its just that some names are interchangeable. Muslim belief is in Allah, and Christian and Judaism belief is in Jehovah (obviously two different aspects of the belief). Jesus Christ is God, therefore God is Christ. The only thing that really separates them (that I am aware of) is when Jesus says only the Father knows when the end times will be and that he does not. Clarifying that even though Jesus is God, he is still man and does not share God's thoughts. Anywho, that was the reason those were written. Remember, the New Testament says God to be love, but the Old Testament shows God's wrath and how He will use war to fix things or get things for His people (Sodom and Gomorrah and His people attacking the lands of Israel, the promised lands). The Bible also does talk about God being a jealous God, once again, more so in the Old Testament. To try to place God's personality is difficult because you can't just read one part. He is lawful good because He is all that is good and He expects His followers to do their best to follow His decrees (think about it, you were to be stoned to death if you do not obey His command of keeping the Sabbath day holy and not working on it. That is laying down the law right there). Also note, that in the clergy part, it talks about latin being the language of the mass. Technically, Jesus was a Jew, and thus His language was Hebrew. Hebrew would be, in effect, the language of the faith.<br />
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:::::If you want to get technical, God himself is all good alignments at the same time, so if we have to choose, he would be Neutral Good, not Lawful. His clerics thus can be any good alignment. And yes, there are evil clerics of Him, but they do not truly worship Him in their hearts. As it is written "By their fruits thereof thou shalt know them", I'd look it up for you if I wasn't going to bed right now. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 07:10, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lawful Good? ==<br />
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Lawful, yes, but Good? The Judeo-Christian god to me seems a bit too keen on the smiting and nuking of civilizations. Not to mention the fact that he orders his followers to execute people based on things such as sexual orientation or the fact that they choose to work on the sabbath.<br />
His actions based on my readings of the bible in no way portray what is known within the D&D realm to be "Good."<br />
Pelor would not kill thousands of children because of the disobedience of one king, nor would Heironeous ever blast a city off the face of the planet because of a little bit of sin on the part of a PORTION of its citizens.<br />
Therefore, I suggest altering the alignment of God to reflect his true nature: Lawful Neutral. <br />
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:The '''followers''' of the Judeo-Christian God/Jesus/Yahweh/Yeshua ben Joseph/etc etc. believe that their deity is a lawful good deity. It has been roleplayed a million times in the sense of the over-zealous paladin of pelor or heironeous ''(yes, they would do it - if they thought that it was good)''. Though a non-follower may disagree ''(read: every other party member of the over-zealous paladin)'', that doesn't change the alignment. That being said, I must disagree. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:45, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::"Lawful, yes, but Good?" Who are you to question the motives of the Almighty? Next to Him, we are but insects. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 23:51, 20 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Okay....I'm not even sure how to reply to that. I'm not the one questioning ''"the Almighty"'', as you put it. The Judeo-Christian God is definitely LG to all of his followers. That really ends any debate on the subject. If you personally feel like the deity would make a better LN God, then just simply make a variant. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Relax, Hooper, I meant the dude above you. You're OK. \m/ I always said He was all good alignments as one, but that anybody could worship Him, even if they were evil. What I meant was this guy uses the same tired arguments to say "God isn't good" when he wasn't there when these places (Sodom & such) got destroyed, and how are we really to question the reason behind their demise? Sure, Pelor wouldn't do that, but he's FICTIONAL... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 06:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::D&D has created a category which they name ''"Good"''. Is the ''"D&D Good"'' the same as ''"God's Good"''? No. God says good is ''"God's Good"'' and D&D says good is ''"D&D Good"''. They are all different types of good. So, does God have to conform to ''"D&D Good"''? Or, does D&D have to conform to ''"God's Good"''? Answer: No on both counts.<br />
:::::It is okay for them to be different. If I say God is not good, that just means he ain't ''"Jay Good"''. Sometimes it is okay to think outside the box. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:04, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Right, to say something is real needs proof. I live in Utah. Mormons, through the Book of Mormon, believe in a few battles. Anthropologists looked into these battles and were not able to find any evidence at the point of conflict. Does this make them fake? No, I guess God could have just removed it. Does this make them unbelievable? To some, of course. To others, no. It all depends. Extrapolating this makes things very subjective.<br />
::::::About the "Lawful Good" making it seem as if one can understand God and that going against Christianity could be the case. Do you think it could just be changed to "Lawful Good*" and then "* &mdash; God is not understandable. Based off His actions in The Bible this comes the closest to a D&D categorical match for His actions therein. If you are thinking it is implied as a given, it is not.". I don't know. What do people think about including something like that? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:24, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::If it has the potential to be a big deal, just put '''"Rule 0"''' or '''"DM's Choice"'''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I agree with Hooper here. But... Perhaps we aren't looking at the big picture? See my topics below. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:58, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::OP here, I'll have to say I agree with Hooper as well. Though I did find Danzig calling Pelor fictional to be ironic seeing as he did so when referring to his own mythical deity. {{unsigned|173.85.194.213}}<br />
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::::::::::I never said my God was fictional. Maybe you think He is, but that's your loss. Also sign your post so I know who this is above me being an immature atheist douche. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 00:32, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You, sir, have fallen for a troll. (And he's feinted you into acting rather unchristian as well). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:14, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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By no means did I intend to troll. However, it does really irritate me when someone gets all "holier than thou" and hypocritical at the same time. How was I being immature? I merely asked a question with the intent to provoke intellectual discussion.<br />
Religious zealots don't understand that to someone not indoctrinated, their deity doesn't really stand out among the thousands of mythos created by man.<br />
In terms of an intellectual debate, the burden of proof rests in the hands of those that make claims beyond normal reason.<br />
In order to have such a discussion free of hypocrisy, there are two options:<br />
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1: The rules of the discussion maintain a neutral basis on rational thinking and arguments without logical support hold no value. Here, all mythologies are treated equally as mythology. The abilities and flaws of Athena and Jehova can be compared on an intellectual basis with no bias. Those that partake in any belief systems discussed are forced to step down from their pedestal and join everyone else on the level plane of reason.<br />
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2: A discussion where subjective beliefs are respected as absolute truths. This means anyone can enter and present an argument with no required support and zero rational basis but all other members of the discussion must not challenge any aspect of their claims. This means that while one person insists on the truth of the bible, another can present an argument for their belief in Kord and nobody can question either as we cannot harm someone's sensibility with grounded logic.<br />
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So I beg of you all, for the sake of rationality and as creatures of intellect, please check your faith at the door and try to be objective when entering an intelligent discussion.<br />
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:I think you are in the wrong place if you want a solid debate about religion. This is a gaming website. If you want to discuss whether or not God exists, try [http://rationalwiki.com/ RationalWiki]. If you want to discuss ''how'' God fits into D&D, then you are in the right place, but flippantly calling Him mythical while in discussion with believers is trolling, whether or not it's your intention. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:33, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ahem. Since my last comments got deleted... I'll just ditto Jazzman here. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::OP, it's a two-way street. You don't insult my faith, and I will from now on not insult your lack thereof. Do we have a deal? And furthermore, it is not being unChristian to speak up about being trolled. Christians have just as many rights on this wiki as anyone. As Jazzman pointed out, all we're here on this page for is to add a real-world deity to a fictional setting. I figured, if you're gonna add the Christian God to D&D, might as well get it right. Barring using either Jesus or YHWH in D&D, though, one could always just use Ilmater, if real-world historical deities in D&D bother you. But then again, what about people who use Set, Osiris, Kali, or Dagon? The game is what you make of it. Just don't troll me, and I won't verbally lash out. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 18:06, 8 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Is it okay to be multiple alignments at once?==<br />
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Since this ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' can be whatever the GM wants him to be? Can we list him as "Alignment: Any"? Can we list him as "Alignment: All"? Can we list him as both? Does Mr.God need an alignment for this article? Lets assume Mr.God needs an alignment for this article because GD says so. Just for pretend, of course.<br />
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I, myself, would list him as "Alignment: Whatever tickles your pickle". Why? Because every single person has a different opinion and view of what God really is. The problem with this is... Then isn't there a different ''"God (3.5e Deity)"'' for every single person in the entire world? Yes. Can we list them all right here on D&D wiki? Maybe. Do we want to try? Personally, I sure as heck don't. Haha.<br />
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We could be really specific too. We could name the articles: "''Jay Freedman's Unique View of Mr.God''" or maybe "''Green Dragon's Ultimate View of Mr.God''". But, thats pretty lame, ain't it. Not to mention redundant and childish.<br />
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We could name them by Religion. Things like "''God: by the Catholics''" or "''God: by the Baptists''" or maybe "''God: by the Mormons''". Do we want all those technicalities here on D&D wiki? Well, thats up to Green Dragon, isn't it? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I guess when it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== God (3.5e Deity): An Article or a Category? ==<br />
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In your opinion should "''God (3.5e Deity)''" be an Article or a Category? Simply list your opinion below in only one word if possible. Thanks! You guys rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The category of "God" is already covered by [[:Category:Deity]], or what do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly! "God" is a category not an article. This article is too broad in it's scope. To large, to uncertain, to unpredictable. Even if we were to limit this article to simply, lets say, a Dictionaries definition of "God". Could you gain consensus for this definition? Would everybody agree on that specific terminology?<br />
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::Probably not, because everybody has a different definition for God. Heck, I would even argue that [[:Category:Deity]] is equal to [[God (3.5e Deity)]]. Because every single article found within [[:Category:Deity]] could in fact be included within the article [[God (3.5e Deity)]] and still be considered "true" and "correct". Yes, all of them. Therefore, [[God (3.5e Deity)]] is equal to [[:Category:Deity]]. Thus making this article no longer necessary. In conclusion, I propose we make this broad and unassuming article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]]. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 23:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I think you are getting a bit too theological for what is, ultimately, just a homebrew RPG description. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:02, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I completely agree with you. I am, in fact, being too theological. However, I also believe I am correct. Making this article a redirect for [[:Category:Deity]] is the best logical choice for this wiki to pursue. Socially, logically, and theologically speaking. Good insight Jazzman. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 00:11, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Except D&D Wiki is, ultimately, about D&D. The question this article brings up is: How does "God" fit into D&D? This article is not about making a Bible-correct article about God. That would be the Wikipedia article on God (or Conservapedia, who knows). This article is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D; a fantasy world with unlimited possibilities. This article needs to encompass the idea of "unlimited possibilities" and "infinite ways" not "what does the Bible say about God in relation to planet earth". Or do mean something else? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:20, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh goodness, you mentioned Conservapedia. (Ironically, this article is longer than theirs.) But on topic, I agree with GD. If it bothers you that this article doesn't describe God completely (and it can't anyway), then just pretend it describes a different god who happens to have the same name. Redirecting it to the category doesn't really help this wiki. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:33, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I would really like to stress this is about God in relation to how it fits ''into'' D&D. One could add things like "In a campaign with God all other [[3.5e Deities|deities]] are considered "Hero's" and God created everything." Who knows. What do you think? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Okay, I think I understand. I thought this article was asking "Who is God in D&D?". The answer of course is, "Whatever you want him to be." But now, I understand that GD is asking "How does God fit into D&D?". A completely different question.<br />
::::::::So, I ask the question. How does God fit "into" D&D? The answer I get again is, "Anyway you want him to." He is anybody, anything, anyway, and anyhow you would like him to be. Man, is it really that easy? I guess so. Kinda just like Jazzman said, "Then just pretend it describes a different God who happens to have the same name." Nice work guys! When it comes to this article, there is no wrong answer! Good luck! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:28, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not know for certain. However, although God is the creator of everything, doesn't He also have codes he is by? He definitely has Dogma (10 Commandments). Or would you say that is just a group of followers getting issued decreases by Him? I don't know, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:57, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::He, She, It? I don't know what to call God. As for Dogma?... Everybody thinks God's Dogma is different. Jews say one thing, Christian's say another, and Muslims say something else. They all call him God. The only thing they all have in common when it comes to the 10 commandments is the Prophet Moses. Moses is accepted by all three world religions, so they all have a place for the 10 Commandments somewhere in their Official Doctrine. Sorry but, I'm afraid Dogma is just as sketchy as anything else. No consensus there either. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:45, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::(I am assuming this is the Christian one) Maybe this should be moved to God, Christian then? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 4 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, why not. "God, Christian Faith" sounds perfect for this article. It is less ambiguous and all of the current information is correct under these circumstances. Good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 19:39, 27 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::I moved it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:27, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman831&diff=518258User talk:Jazzman8312011-05-14T01:45:18Z<p>Archetyper: /* Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof */</p>
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Saw your question. When it comes to D20 Modern, I've always found [[User:Crysis2]] to be pretty knowledgeable about it. he has been a user for years, and seems to come and go at random. He may have the email enabled so try hitting him up on his talk page. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, though it looks like he has the same limitations that I have in editing locked pages. I was hoping I could find an admin as a go-to when I find things in the MSRD that need fixed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Saw all the edits you have been doing to the Modern section. Nice work. I've seen anybody tackle such a difficult project. If I had cookies I would give them to you. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ha ha, thanks! That side of the wiki looks all sad and alone, so I figured I could be it's friend. Though I can't say I'm surprised; even WoTC hardly supports d20M anymore. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey, I love d20 Modern just fine, but not enough people seem to be interested in playing it. Damn shame too, it's a buttload easier to come up with a character name, among other things. I'll even see about maybe adding some things in if I get the time. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ha ha ha true! I got into roleplaying through D&D, and I still love it, but for some reason ever since I discovered Modern I'm more interested in it. Part of it is because when I play online, there's a glut of D&D games around, and a lot of them are poorly written and DMed by 13 year olds, so it's harder to get excited about it. Since Modern is a smaller community, the games seem to just better overall. But while I might eventually play another live D&D game, I doubt I'll ever play a live d20M game without specifically seeking one out. (I've never actually played live; all the games I've played in or GMed have been on online boards).<br />
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:::Hrm, I just remembered that I created a class for a game I'm running; maybe I'll add that. I *do* actually have something original to contribute! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Valued Opinion==<br />
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Jazzman your edits just keep coming. Good job. If your not careful someone is gonna give you a medal. haha. Question for ya: Would you mind rating one of my classes for me? [[Biotic Vanguard (3.5e Class)]]. My article won't get many page-views or feedback without at least one rating.<br />
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I've seen many of your contributions and believe you could give a decent estimate about it. If you have any questions just let me know. I'd be happy to talk with you about it. I owe you one. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Sure thing. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it tomorrow (brain's too tired to do any real thinking tonight). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, I appreciate the effort. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam on Main Talk ==<br />
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That has got to be a bot or something. I'm afraid if this keeps up, IP's will have a tough time editing in the future. (Which is just fine with me of course...) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely a bot. I actually prefer it when IPs can edit, because it's something that sticks out on the recent changes. When that IP gets a user name it's harder to find the, uh, less than quality edits :)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I think I'm partially to blame for the bot infestation. I pointed out to GD that the captcha was catching me whenever I put stub tags, but the options are pretty much all or nothing. If it stays bad (and I've been on enough wikis to know that it will), he said he will change it back. But having to fill out the captcha is probably slightly less annoying than reverting spam all day long. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, as long as your happy reverting spam? Whatever. Personally, I hate the stupid robots. But, thats just me. Haha. I mean, what is so hard about getting a username and actually building up some street-cred? To much anonymous stuff with doing it any other way. Dirty robots, grrr... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh I can't stand reverting IP spam. It's sooo much easier (not to mention cheaper) for a spammer to make a robot to do his dirty work. He'd never create an account first, because then he'd actually have to learn about all the wiki's he's vandalizing. And adding links like piuhgsoiurg.com only works if you put it on millions of websites.... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ReCaptcha may be implemented again, it just depends on the possibilities which MW can now do relating to edits grouped by usergroup and edit types. For example, to the best of my knowledge, it does not allow usergroup: IP to just have ReCaptchas. It clumps Users and IP's together for some reason. Used to not though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::{{Anti-Vandal Barnstar|For reverting spam on many deleted pages and overall helping keep D&D Wiki clean from vandals' work throughout the last couple of days, I give you this Barnstar. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:::::Thanks for the barnstar!<br />
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:::::Which version of ReCaptcha are we using? I don't know a lot about MW extensions, but [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ this] makes it look like you can force captchas on IP's (and it does it by default), which is all we need. The latest version they have is 1.7, which looks to be several years old now. I dunno, reverting vandalism isn't too bad; it's getting my edit count up :) I doubt that it will drop off, since it's coming from bots, but it probably won't increase, either, so I'm not too bothered about it right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::If it can get worse, it will. And it will get worse. This is the internet. Nothing is sacred here. Congrats on your Barnstar! You deserve it. Lets get recaptcha working again for those pesky IP's. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Good work keeping D&D Wiki clean of those pesky spam pages! They're such a pain. Keep it up! [[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:15, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
:Thanks! I do try my best :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:47, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== To Avoid Getting Into a Twink Debate on Critical Potential ==<br />
Actually, what was proposed was to stack some levels in dervish to get some further utility out of using a weapon with an 18-20 crit range (In this case scimitars), and for an all-evil campaign, that'd be an interesting character (Although, no pun intended, you're playing devil's advocate). Note that I actually added something to the discussion by bringing up the hindrances caused by the prestige class instead of solely posting just to give him flak. There's a lot of really cool stuff in Vile Darkness, but it has a very limited scope of use in most DnD campaigns because of the evil pre-reqs. Name Violation and I were actually having a pretty interesting discussion until you and 71.114.210.152 decided to rally behind a banner for a fight no one was actually participating in, and for that I'm sorry. I'll have to remember some of you here aren't as thick-skinned as me mates back in my own DnD group. --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:If you can't be bothered to respond without veiled insults, I see no reason to bother continuing the discussion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::My point is that 71.114.210.152 blew his top and responded to a discussion about maxing a character's potential and made it into a diatribe against people he felt were persecuting him. I really am sorry, but understand that I get snide about such things as a sort of harmless teasing. Was "damn twink" really that offensive to you? --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I didn't read all the IP's comments, actually, but yeah he was way out of line, though he actually had a good point. (Secret: I automatically assume that anyone who posts as an IP is a 13 year old who's off his meds and is too lazy to figure out how the site works. It tends to work out correctly most of the time.)<br />
:::The phrase "damn twink" itself didn't bother me, what bothered me was your objection to optimizing in what is ultimately an optimization thread, and then repeating your objection, despite two separate people telling you it was unnecessary and unwarranted. Honestly, though, I probably wouldn't have responded a second time had you not criticized the IP for using "big words". It bugs me to death that using proper English, especially on the internet, is seen as a valid excuse to bring someone down. It'd be one thing if anyone on that page were using arcane language that was only extant in order to impress, but everything the IP said should be understandable to anyone with a high school reading comprehension level. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I criticized IP for assuming 1) I was a troll, and 2) That, as a troll, I wouldn't have the capacity to use nor understand polysyllabic words. I enjoy conversing with people who have a cultured vocabulary, but it's just pretentious when they call attention to it since, like I said, having an expansive vocabulary hasn't been impressive since the publication of the first thesaurus. I could look through the online thesaurus right now and easily double the length of this post by simply swapping out simpler words with their more prestigious synonyms. I agree he did have a somewhat valid point, since I am a little prejudiced towards potential twinks (We have one in our group, but he's gotten much better about it), but I do enjoy figuring out how to maximize a character's potential, so long as it's clever and in the spirit of playing the game vs. playing the system.<br />
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I'm glad we were able to work this out because your discussion page would imply that you're a really reasonable guy, and I realize I often come off as abrasive to people who don't know me that well.--[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 18:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Adminship ==<br />
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I guess I never directly asked you if you would like to be an admin. Would you like to be nominated for adminship? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, thank you for nominating me! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Welcome to Adminship. You are now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. I recommend you take a look at [[Special:ListGroupRights]] if you have not already. Some of the the new features' uses pertaining to D&D Wiki follow. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.<br />
::*Deleting pages is normally done through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". If this page consisted of close to just the preload, just delete it.<br />
::*Protecting pages has quite a few different times when it should be used. Pages should be protected according to the author's wishes (with [[Template:Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of conflict (with [[Template:Temp Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of [[Help:FAQ#What are OGL, OGC, SRD, and GNU FPL?|OGC]] published materials (with [[Template:OGL Top]] added to the top of the page in question and [[Template:OGL Bottom]] added to the bottom), or finally if the page is a vital part of D&D Wiki's organization. If it deals with D&D Wiki's organization it either needs to be be protected from IP edits or all non-sysop edits. As a rule of thumb pages up to two tiers deep (up for discussion/rethinking) from the [[Main Page]] are normally locked to anyone but sysops and all the others are just protected from IP edits. For Example [[3.5e Homebrew]] is protected from all non-sysop edits whereas a deeper in page like [[LA 0 Races]] is only protected from IP edits. No template needs to be added to pages if they are part of D&D Wiki's organization (even though some do exist like [[Template:Admin Locked Page]])<br />
::*Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found either on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] or the diff in question) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. Certain things demand a longer block and others a shorter. No standards have been set for block lengths, use your best judgment.<br />
::*Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] and the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. Feel free to edit them if you find inaccuracies. If interested further please look at the [[SRD Talk:System Reference Document#SRD ToDo List|SRD ToDO List]] or the [[MSRD Talk:Modern System Reference Document#Tasks|MSRD tasks]]. Of course that is only the base. There is never enough help to get everything done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.<br />
::*Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes reviewing the content with templates, answering questions, sending MoI's, etc).<br />
::I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on yourself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Awesome! I'll do you proud. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::D&D Wiki proud, but ya welcome once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh yeah, I meant the royal "you". Or something. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::As a side note please remember to check WhatLinksHere when deleting something. E.g. [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Age_of_War_(4e_Campaign_Setting)], and when deleting something campaign setting related make sure to deal with and delete the related categories. E.g. [[:Category:Age of War Setting]] and [:Category:Age of War Setting Player's Guide Setting]] (to strike out when deleted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I'm working my way through them. I didn't think I'd need to worry about user pages, but I can change those. Two of the pages might still be usable outside of the campaign setting, so I'm figuring out now what to do with them. Other than that I think I removed all of the WhatLinksHere's, though I did get a little discombobulated towards the end there with 50 million tabs open. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::(edit conflict) Those categories are on my to-do list as well. That campaign setting is HUMONGOUS (though almost entirely empty). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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congrads on your accomplishment. {{unsigned|Ethral}}<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Campaign setting rating ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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I just noticed that recently you rated my campaign setting a 2. I can't argue with that rating, its accurate for how far along my setting is. However, it would be nice if you could hold off on rating untill more of my setting is complete, that way it isn't poorly rated because I am working very hard on finnishing it, and if you look through the pages I'm sure you can be apreciative of whats to come. :) Thanks!--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's no biggie, I just wanted to clear out the "unrated campaign settings" category, so I rated everything. As you fill out the setting feel free to bump up it's rating. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I can understand why you rated. Also, you've been doing a fair bit of work recently cleaning up the wiki, deleting pages, rating setting etc. Anything I could do to help? I've always wanted to clean up a bit around the wiki. :D--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, right now I'm going through the candidates for deletion, which can only be done by admins. The rest of the stuff I'm kind of doing randomly as I see it. If you ever find yourself in need of something to do, what I've been doing is going to [[Meta Pages]], finding a category that needs work and getting to it. [[:Category:Wording Issues]], [[:Category:Needs Balance]], [[:Category:Formatting Issues]] and [[:Category:Stub]] are piling on entries much quicker than they are losing them. <br />
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:::Or if you want a REALLY fun project, you can go through [[Special:DoubleRedirects]], make sure the WhatLinksHere pages are clear, then add delete tags to all of them. I'm kind of dreading getting to that myself :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Some reasoning's for clearing out the unrated can be seen [[Template:Campaign Setting Rating/meta#Frequent Comments/Questions|here]]. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh wow, that's really helpful. I haven't seen that before, maybe it should be linked on the CS Rating template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Awesome, thanks for the list. I'm working a lot on finnishing my campaign setting ([[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Orion]], you can check out and comment on some of the finnished pages if ya want ;)) but in my free time, that sounds great. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== firearms and non lethal damage ==<br />
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since i noticed you like modern (judging from all the edits) i thought you may be the person to ask. How do you justify a -4 to hit with a firearm to do non lethal damage? if you hit them with a bullet, you hit them with a bullet. it doesn't make alot of sense to me. Describing it as "you graze them" doesnt really cut it IMHO. whats your take on it? --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 03:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, in d20 Modern you can't deal nonlethal damage with a ranged weapon unless you are using it as an improvised melee weapon (i.e. hitting someone in the face with your gun). See [[MSRD:Death,_Dying,_and_Healing#Nonlethal_Damage|here]]. It's a good thing, too, because I'm not sure I ''could'' justify non-lethal munitions damage, especially with the way nonlethal damage is handled in Modern. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::thank you. i never knew modern made the distinction for no nonlethal for ranged (short of rubber bullets). now i know, and knowing is half the battle. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 04:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem :) It's one of those things that's in the back of my head somewhere, I had to look it up to be sure. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion Jay==<br />
Anything marked "delete", ''Needs'' to be deleted. They are a stain upon my honor. However, you are actually not allowed to delete a page only upon authors request. That is true. In that case, just get rid of the author box and slap a "needs balance" tag on it. But seriously, thou's articles are s***. Thanks Jazz. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Meh, they don't seem that bad to me, but if that's what you want. I'll go through them and see what needs to be done. Honestly, after looking through so many articles (other than yours), I think we need to implement some sort of "it's not great so it's gone" policy. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Double redirects ==<br />
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Ok, I changed the first redirect so it links directly to the third, however the second redirect has no 'what links here' option. The second redirect page is [[800 CE (DnD Campaign Setting)|800 CE]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What you are looking for is the "toolbox" on the left-hand side of the page. It's the first link in that box. In this case, the what links here page ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/800_CE_(DnD_Campaign_Setting)|here]]) has a TON of links on it. If it has that many, don't worry about changing all of them.<br />
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:Oh, and I remembered one more thing. Before you change the first redirect, check out the what links there. If no pages link to that page either, then add the delete tag with the "unneeded redirect" as the reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::However if not all of them are changed, some links will go red when they shouldn't. Is there something I can do in this case? Because it doesn't feel right just letting a whole bunch of links go...--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, don't put a delete tag if any pages link to that page. If any links are left, then don't worry about deleting it. Usually when I go through the deletion category my process is this: 1) decide if the page should get deleted, 2) check "what links here", changing all links that point to that page, then 3) delete the page. If you go through and do steps 1 and 2, then I can do 3 a lot faster.<br />
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:::Basically, the first priority is getting rid of the double redirects, because those pages are broken. If you click on page 1, it won't redirect twice and land you on page 3, it will land on page 2 and get "stuck". Second priority is getting rid of redirects that don't have anything pointing to them. For instance, on that page where you accidentally typed 3.5we instead of 3.5e, when I moved it back it created a redirect, but it's unnecessary, since nobody will ever need to click on a link that says 3.5we. Third priority is avoiding redirects entirely; it's cleaner that way, but not really necessary. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I think I understand this completely now... and it's starting to feel kinda hopeless. ''':P''' Anyways, I'll do a few a day and see if I can finish by 2011. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Ha ha ha, yeah. When I get into one of my moods I'll help you out. The good thing is, once it's done, it'll be really easy to stay on top of. I think the fact that there's so much to be done is what's gotten it to where it is in the first place. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Help==<br />
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Hey, I didn't want to bother GD with this cause I've been bugging him a lot lately and you seem to know what your doing here on the wiki. Whenever I go to [[:Category:Orion]] page it auto takes me to an edit preview page with the category text on it except nothing in the edit box. Is it doing this for you, and do you know what in the world is going on here? Oh, and its saying that the page doesn't exist, hence the red link.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nvm, I figured it out, sorry for bothering you! Oh, and you can delete this message if you want to. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Heh, glad to be of help :p<br />
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::Yeah, categories are strange beasts. They "work" (display content) even if they don't exist yet. But I guess you just figured that out. They also can't be moved, which buggers things up as well. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Klas Wullt ==<br />
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I would like to talk about my classes!<br />
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My msn:swedenplus@yahoo.com<br />
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:Sorry about the delay, but I have requested to be added to your buddylist. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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Hey, since the sandbox auto cleaning no longer works, if I'm ever on and the sandbox hasn't been cleaned in the last three hours and their is something on it, should I go through it and emtpy it? Seing as thats how often it was supposed to be cleaned by the bot.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's pretty much what I've been doing, yeah. I don't know if it's really important to have an empty sandbox, but it gives me something to do. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Understanding D20 Modern ==<br />
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You seem to be very into d20m stuff, so I thought I would pop buy and ask you my question. Normal D&D uses a specific rule set, however D&D adventures may include anything from bone clubs to machine guns. Does this work the same way for d20m to? So could something designed using the d20m rule set, however still set in medieval times be proper for d20m? I didn't think it would generally, however seeing as normal 3.5e works both ways, why not modern? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, yes. But unlike D&D, where you have to invent rules for modern times or else find a third party sourcebook, WotC has published both [[d20 Past]] and [[d20 Future]] (and [[d20 Apocalypse]], if you think the future will end disastrously), so most of the gruntwork has been done for you. IIRC, though, d20 Past has some information about early history, but is only fully fleshed out from ~1500's and beyond. There's no reason you couldn't use the system to go earlier than that, but you'd definitely be grabbing a lot of stuff from D&D at that point. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok cool, thanks for the nice response. I'm not to familiar with d20 anyways, but it's nice to know if I ever get into it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 17:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem. I love the system and there aren't nearly enough players. I'll take any chance to convert I can get! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==modern question==<br />
Do you happen to know the name of the alien computer people playable race from the d20 future book? they got implants and stuff... i dont have my books around me and its buggun the hell outta me.--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you thinking of Aleerin? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::yes, thanks. I'm going to use them in a DnD campaign as warforged from the future--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oooh that sounds like a fun idea. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spammers ==<br />
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It's pretty clear that spam bothers you as much as it bothers me and a few others here. You, however, are an admin. I notice whenever Green Dragon reverts spam he bans the IP poster. Can you ban people as an admin, or do you need other rights? Do you think banning random IPs is even worth it? Do you have the ability to ban an IP range? Would that be more effective, without causing too much collateral damage? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I can ban IPs, but I choose not to for the most part. If I see the same IP has made two spam edits I'll block them, but 95% of IP spammers change IPs after every edit, and I don't want to eventually have blocked every IP. I think I can block IP ranges, though you have to be ''really'' careful, because it's easy to block too many. I'll look into that and see if it's worth it.<br />
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:What I've been doing in the mean time is any time I see a page has been spammed more than once I block IP editing on that page for a couple months. Don't know if it does anything but it's wortha shot.<br />
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:What we really need to do is put the Captcha back on. The problem with that is that GD says it's all or nothing; if IP's have to fill out Captcha, then so do the rest of the users. If he can find a way to get it so that *only* anons have to use it, then that will solve all of our problems. (The captcha is something that only bureaucrats have access to, which I think at this time is only Green and Blue Dragon). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Can we make it so that you only need to add a captcha for edits containing external links? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere, either here or wikipedia or some other wiki... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's how we set it up before. The problem is it considers things like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman831&action=edit this] an external link (diffs as well, which are used much more often), even though it's only linking back to D&D wiki. I guess the question is which do you find more annoying? GD said he'd be glad to turn captchas back on if spam gets worse. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ehh, I guess I rarely use those. I mean, sure I do, but less than once a week, probably. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool, I'll leave a note on GD's page. (And btw, I'm definitely seeing a benefit to the tavern now...)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening MoI ==<br />
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Since you commented on Green Dragon's talk page about re-opening the tavern, I thought I would let you know that it's been over a week and I have made [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|this discussion]] to ask the community what they think. I would appreciate it if you could stop by and leave your two cents. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I think we edited at the same time :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I mentioned that you are (probably) capable of running an IRC channel, in the tavern discussion we were having on Green Dragon's talk page. I figure I should send you a quick message in case I have overstepped my bounds, and you are unwilling or unable to perform the actions I supposed you could. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:31, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Fixing redirects ==<br />
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As I was moving the DnD pages to 3.5e (using the list you gave me on my talk page) I was also fixing all of the redirects. I got to [[DnD Base Classes]]. Over 500 pages link to it. Now, most of those are probably from the breadcrumb, so I can change that, then should I bother to go through all of the remaining links and change them? I will if you say so, I'm fine with doing it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd fix the breadcrumb first and see what happens from there. If there's 500 pages, then that's a perfect example of how redirects ''should'' be used. I suspect, however, that the breadcrumb is the vast majority. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I fixed the breadcrumb right after I posted here. There were still over 250, however less than 500. About how redirects should be used; I always thought that redirects were just to prevent red links until they were fixed, meaning all redirects should be removed eventually... I think that is even somewhere on the to-do list... --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::If you're talking 250, it should be waaaaaay down on the list. A single redirect really doesn't cause any problems; the only redirects that ''have'' to be fixed are doubles; they don't link properly and page navigation is messed up. But then if you are feeling frisky I certainly won't stop you from fixing the links. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Lol, I think I may just be feeling frisky... tomorrow, or maybe the day after... or the day after that... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam!!! ==<br />
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I have reverted spam on the page [[Reybrah (4e Race)]] more than 6 times today, your the admin who is on the most, so please protect the page before its spammed more! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Holy cow, in the time it took me to protect the page another one spammed it! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 10:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Blocking an IP ==<br />
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The page you just protected, earlier I was reverting the spam then gave up as nobody was protecting it. However when I was doing that I notice that it was the same IP spamming the page. Now that you protected the page, the same IP is spamming ANOTHER page. Please block the IP. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, wasn't paying enough attention. GD got it though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, thanks anyways. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DnD Page Moving ==<br />
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Since you gave me the links I thought I would keep you updated and tell you I had finished moving all of the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 Pages that start with DnD]. I'll be moving on to the other list now. If there was any to-do list this was on (didn't see it on the main one), it can be crossed off. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Woo Hoo! I don't know if there really are any current to do lists, so I'll just mentally cross that off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== IP you blocked ==<br />
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The IP you just blocked... for a year. That seems a little much for one rude edit; I'm not attacking your move, I'm just wondering, why so long? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It was two edits, one of which was attempting to be somewhat sly. I didn't block him from creating an account so if, within that year, he decides to behave there's nothing stopping him from editing. I'm not sure we are really missing much having him gone. I admit I have sort of a weak spot with IP users in general, vandals, and middle-school behavior, so when a 12 year old anonymous user vandalizes I might overreact a little... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::lol, alright, thanks for clearing that up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 13:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lots of broken links ==<br />
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Why are there so many broken links and such across the wiki? Like the conjuration page for example. How did this happen? [[Special:Contributions/98.65.197.239|98.65.197.239]] 04:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Recently the wiki has crashed and changed servers and all kinds of stuff, and now a lot of things aren't working correctly. It's supposed to all be being looked at though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Half-Life Setting ==<br />
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Hey mate. It's Crysis2. I apologize for the lack of formatting with the Half-Life setting. I'm attempting to fix this now. Actually, when I started, I just put down descriptions from other websites. I am deleting them all and replacing them. Anyways, thanks for whipping it into shape. I appreciate it!<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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Hey I noticed you put the delete template on the complete ninja handbook.... For 2.5e.... U said it is nothing but headers... That's because I havent had the time to work on filling it in..... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 16:42, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, that's why I put the delete template. Any page that isn't up to snuff is eligible for deletion... though realistically pages don't get deleted all that often. And really, if someone deleted the blank page, what have you really lost anyway? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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hey... since i always see your name on the sandbox page in the miscellaneous section. i wanted to let you know... someone just edited above the double line again.... do you want me to remove it? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:33, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It's not really that big of a deal, it's just the sandbox. In fact, there's no rule that says only mods can clean it out, so if you ever want to then feel free! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:47, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof ==<br />
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Don't try to spread religious propaganda, in the name of 'preventing someone from sneaking in ideological edits'.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=prev&oldid=518180]<br />
This is a roleplaying site, not a soapbox to spread your abrahamic religion, protecting the pages so that no one can stop you, under the guise of 'preventing vandalism and bickering', and being vindictive enough to wikistalk a person who makes an edit that prevents such propaganda.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Adonai,_God_of_the_Hebrews_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518175]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Adonai,_God_of_the_Hebrews_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518174]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518173]<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518172]<br />
[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:45, 13 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=518255User talk:Archetyper2011-05-14T01:10:10Z<p>Archetyper: </p>
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Formatting on D&D Wiki (or any wiki for that matter) can be very difficult, and if you need help a good place to start is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] on Wikipedia (or even their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Introduction] page). This will explain basic wiki formatting and should provide quite a few useful links that explain more specific areas of wiki formatting. Again, if you have any questions about formatting on D&D Wiki please ask them as, I imagine, anybody will be more than happy to help you get them answered.<br />
;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to ask specific D&D-related questions on [[DnD Discussion]]s. Anyway, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon ([[Image:Signature_icon.png]]). This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to enjoy D&D Wiki and the community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 21 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Nice try but... ==<br />
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Don't try and sneak ideological edits into some of the few pages that have anything to do with the "real" world. This is not a site to debate politics or religion, it is a roleplaying site. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 09:42, 13 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:-->[[User_talk:Jazzman831#Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof]] [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:10, 13 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman831&diff=518254User talk:Jazzman8312011-05-14T01:04:10Z<p>Archetyper: /* Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof */ new section</p>
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If you have any question about D&D Wiki, D&D, formatting on D&D Wiki, what day today is, or whatever, an admin will, many times, give a good answer. Please feel free to ask any admin any question ([http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&action=edit&section=new ask me a question!]).<br />
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Formatting on D&D Wiki (or any wiki for that matter) can be very difficult, and if you need help a good place to start is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Editing Help:Editing] on Wikipedia (or even their [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Introduction Introduction] page). This will explain the basic wiki formatting and should provide quite a few useful links that explain more specific areas of wiki formatting. Again, if you have any questions about formatting on D&D Wiki please ask them as, I imagine, anybody will be more than happy to help you get them answered.<br />
;Community<br />
A strong and welcoming community exists on D&D Wiki, and I am sure you will find it rather nice. Most discussions take place on content talk pages, however please feel free to walk into [[Special:TheTavern|The Tavern]] (our local chat room) and talk to some fellow D&D Wikians. Anyway, on D&D Wiki, possibly since discussions are never deleted, people try to be nice. This means please follow Wikipedia's guidelines on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Civility] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette Etiquette] when discussing anything. Also, on a pretty different note, to ensure people know who posted what, please sign your name after a post with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) or by clicking on the signature icon. [[Image:Signature_icon.png]] This will automatically produce your name and the date. Anyway, I hope you come to love the close-knit D&D Wiki community and welcome again, you are now a D&D Wikian. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==D20 Modern==<br />
Saw your question. When it comes to D20 Modern, I've always found [[User:Crysis2]] to be pretty knowledgeable about it. he has been a user for years, and seems to come and go at random. He may have the email enabled so try hitting him up on his talk page. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:Thanks, though it looks like he has the same limitations that I have in editing locked pages. I was hoping I could find an admin as a go-to when I find things in the MSRD that need fixed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:59, 13 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hard Worker==<br />
Saw all the edits you have been doing to the Modern section. Nice work. I've seen anybody tackle such a difficult project. If I had cookies I would give them to you. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 02:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ha ha, thanks! That side of the wiki looks all sad and alone, so I figured I could be it's friend. Though I can't say I'm surprised; even WoTC hardly supports d20M anymore. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:52, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey, I love d20 Modern just fine, but not enough people seem to be interested in playing it. Damn shame too, it's a buttload easier to come up with a character name, among other things. I'll even see about maybe adding some things in if I get the time. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:57, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ha ha ha true! I got into roleplaying through D&D, and I still love it, but for some reason ever since I discovered Modern I'm more interested in it. Part of it is because when I play online, there's a glut of D&D games around, and a lot of them are poorly written and DMed by 13 year olds, so it's harder to get excited about it. Since Modern is a smaller community, the games seem to just better overall. But while I might eventually play another live D&D game, I doubt I'll ever play a live d20M game without specifically seeking one out. (I've never actually played live; all the games I've played in or GMed have been on online boards).<br />
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:::Hrm, I just remembered that I created a class for a game I'm running; maybe I'll add that. I *do* actually have something original to contribute! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Valued Opinion==<br />
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Jazzman your edits just keep coming. Good job. If your not careful someone is gonna give you a medal. haha. Question for ya: Would you mind rating one of my classes for me? [[Biotic Vanguard (3.5e Class)]]. My article won't get many page-views or feedback without at least one rating.<br />
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I've seen many of your contributions and believe you could give a decent estimate about it. If you have any questions just let me know. I'd be happy to talk with you about it. I owe you one. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 22:42, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Sure thing. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it tomorrow (brain's too tired to do any real thinking tonight). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:35, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks, I appreciate the effort. You rock! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:16, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam on Main Talk ==<br />
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That has got to be a bot or something. I'm afraid if this keeps up, IP's will have a tough time editing in the future. (Which is just fine with me of course...) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 01:55, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's definitely a bot. I actually prefer it when IPs can edit, because it's something that sticks out on the recent changes. When that IP gets a user name it's harder to find the, uh, less than quality edits :)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I think I'm partially to blame for the bot infestation. I pointed out to GD that the captcha was catching me whenever I put stub tags, but the options are pretty much all or nothing. If it stays bad (and I've been on enough wikis to know that it will), he said he will change it back. But having to fill out the captcha is probably slightly less annoying than reverting spam all day long. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:13, 18 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, as long as your happy reverting spam? Whatever. Personally, I hate the stupid robots. But, thats just me. Haha. I mean, what is so hard about getting a username and actually building up some street-cred? To much anonymous stuff with doing it any other way. Dirty robots, grrr... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 08:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh I can't stand reverting IP spam. It's sooo much easier (not to mention cheaper) for a spammer to make a robot to do his dirty work. He'd never create an account first, because then he'd actually have to learn about all the wiki's he's vandalizing. And adding links like piuhgsoiurg.com only works if you put it on millions of websites.... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::The ReCaptcha may be implemented again, it just depends on the possibilities which MW can now do relating to edits grouped by usergroup and edit types. For example, to the best of my knowledge, it does not allow usergroup: IP to just have ReCaptchas. It clumps Users and IP's together for some reason. Used to not though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::{{Anti-Vandal Barnstar|For reverting spam on many deleted pages and overall helping keep D&D Wiki clean from vandals' work throughout the last couple of days, I give you this Barnstar. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:09, 21 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:::::Thanks for the barnstar!<br />
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:::::Which version of ReCaptcha are we using? I don't know a lot about MW extensions, but [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ this] makes it look like you can force captchas on IP's (and it does it by default), which is all we need. The latest version they have is 1.7, which looks to be several years old now. I dunno, reverting vandalism isn't too bad; it's getting my edit count up :) I doubt that it will drop off, since it's coming from bots, but it probably won't increase, either, so I'm not too bothered about it right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:14, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::If it can get worse, it will. And it will get worse. This is the internet. Nothing is sacred here. Congrats on your Barnstar! You deserve it. Lets get recaptcha working again for those pesky IP's. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Good work keeping D&D Wiki clean of those pesky spam pages! They're such a pain. Keep it up! [[User:Silverkin|Silverkin]] 14:15, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
:Thanks! I do try my best :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:47, 30 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== To Avoid Getting Into a Twink Debate on Critical Potential ==<br />
Actually, what was proposed was to stack some levels in dervish to get some further utility out of using a weapon with an 18-20 crit range (In this case scimitars), and for an all-evil campaign, that'd be an interesting character (Although, no pun intended, you're playing devil's advocate). Note that I actually added something to the discussion by bringing up the hindrances caused by the prestige class instead of solely posting just to give him flak. There's a lot of really cool stuff in Vile Darkness, but it has a very limited scope of use in most DnD campaigns because of the evil pre-reqs. Name Violation and I were actually having a pretty interesting discussion until you and 71.114.210.152 decided to rally behind a banner for a fight no one was actually participating in, and for that I'm sorry. I'll have to remember some of you here aren't as thick-skinned as me mates back in my own DnD group. --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:14, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:If you can't be bothered to respond without veiled insults, I see no reason to bother continuing the discussion. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::My point is that 71.114.210.152 blew his top and responded to a discussion about maxing a character's potential and made it into a diatribe against people he felt were persecuting him. I really am sorry, but understand that I get snide about such things as a sort of harmless teasing. Was "damn twink" really that offensive to you? --[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 22:40, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I didn't read all the IP's comments, actually, but yeah he was way out of line, though he actually had a good point. (Secret: I automatically assume that anyone who posts as an IP is a 13 year old who's off his meds and is too lazy to figure out how the site works. It tends to work out correctly most of the time.)<br />
:::The phrase "damn twink" itself didn't bother me, what bothered me was your objection to optimizing in what is ultimately an optimization thread, and then repeating your objection, despite two separate people telling you it was unnecessary and unwarranted. Honestly, though, I probably wouldn't have responded a second time had you not criticized the IP for using "big words". It bugs me to death that using proper English, especially on the internet, is seen as a valid excuse to bring someone down. It'd be one thing if anyone on that page were using arcane language that was only extant in order to impress, but everything the IP said should be understandable to anyone with a high school reading comprehension level. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
::::I criticized IP for assuming 1) I was a troll, and 2) That, as a troll, I wouldn't have the capacity to use nor understand polysyllabic words. I enjoy conversing with people who have a cultured vocabulary, but it's just pretentious when they call attention to it since, like I said, having an expansive vocabulary hasn't been impressive since the publication of the first thesaurus. I could look through the online thesaurus right now and easily double the length of this post by simply swapping out simpler words with their more prestigious synonyms. I agree he did have a somewhat valid point, since I am a little prejudiced towards potential twinks (We have one in our group, but he's gotten much better about it), but I do enjoy figuring out how to maximize a character's potential, so long as it's clever and in the spirit of playing the game vs. playing the system.<br />
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I'm glad we were able to work this out because your discussion page would imply that you're a really reasonable guy, and I realize I often come off as abrasive to people who don't know me that well.--[[User:Regulus|Regulus]] 18:16, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Adminship ==<br />
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I guess I never directly asked you if you would like to be an admin. Would you like to be nominated for adminship? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, thank you for nominating me! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:30, 12 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Welcome to Adminship. You are now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. I recommend you take a look at [[Special:ListGroupRights]] if you have not already. Some of the the new features' uses pertaining to D&D Wiki follow. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.<br />
::*Deleting pages is normally done through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". If this page consisted of close to just the preload, just delete it.<br />
::*Protecting pages has quite a few different times when it should be used. Pages should be protected according to the author's wishes (with [[Template:Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of conflict (with [[Template:Temp Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of [[Help:FAQ#What are OGL, OGC, SRD, and GNU FPL?|OGC]] published materials (with [[Template:OGL Top]] added to the top of the page in question and [[Template:OGL Bottom]] added to the bottom), or finally if the page is a vital part of D&D Wiki's organization. If it deals with D&D Wiki's organization it either needs to be be protected from IP edits or all non-sysop edits. As a rule of thumb pages up to two tiers deep (up for discussion/rethinking) from the [[Main Page]] are normally locked to anyone but sysops and all the others are just protected from IP edits. For Example [[3.5e Homebrew]] is protected from all non-sysop edits whereas a deeper in page like [[LA 0 Races]] is only protected from IP edits. No template needs to be added to pages if they are part of D&D Wiki's organization (even though some do exist like [[Template:Admin Locked Page]])<br />
::*Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found either on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] or the diff in question) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. Certain things demand a longer block and others a shorter. No standards have been set for block lengths, use your best judgment.<br />
::*Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] and the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. Feel free to edit them if you find inaccuracies. If interested further please look at the [[SRD Talk:System Reference Document#SRD ToDo List|SRD ToDO List]] or the [[MSRD Talk:Modern System Reference Document#Tasks|MSRD tasks]]. Of course that is only the base. There is never enough help to get everything done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.<br />
::*Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes reviewing the content with templates, answering questions, sending MoI's, etc).<br />
::I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on yourself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:42, 18 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Awesome! I'll do you proud. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:52, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::D&D Wiki proud, but ya welcome once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:53, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh yeah, I meant the royal "you". Or something. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::As a side note please remember to check WhatLinksHere when deleting something. E.g. [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Age_of_War_(4e_Campaign_Setting)], and when deleting something campaign setting related make sure to deal with and delete the related categories. E.g. [[:Category:Age of War Setting]] and [:Category:Age of War Setting Player's Guide Setting]] (to strike out when deleted). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I'm working my way through them. I didn't think I'd need to worry about user pages, but I can change those. Two of the pages might still be usable outside of the campaign setting, so I'm figuring out now what to do with them. Other than that I think I removed all of the WhatLinksHere's, though I did get a little discombobulated towards the end there with 50 million tabs open. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:58, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::(edit conflict) Those categories are on my to-do list as well. That campaign setting is HUMONGOUS (though almost entirely empty). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 19 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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congrads on your accomplishment. {{unsigned|Ethral}}<br />
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:Thanks! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:48, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Campaign setting rating ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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I just noticed that recently you rated my campaign setting a 2. I can't argue with that rating, its accurate for how far along my setting is. However, it would be nice if you could hold off on rating untill more of my setting is complete, that way it isn't poorly rated because I am working very hard on finnishing it, and if you look through the pages I'm sure you can be apreciative of whats to come. :) Thanks!--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:04, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's no biggie, I just wanted to clear out the "unrated campaign settings" category, so I rated everything. As you fill out the setting feel free to bump up it's rating. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:10, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, thanks. I can understand why you rated. Also, you've been doing a fair bit of work recently cleaning up the wiki, deleting pages, rating setting etc. Anything I could do to help? I've always wanted to clean up a bit around the wiki. :D--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:14, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, right now I'm going through the candidates for deletion, which can only be done by admins. The rest of the stuff I'm kind of doing randomly as I see it. If you ever find yourself in need of something to do, what I've been doing is going to [[Meta Pages]], finding a category that needs work and getting to it. [[:Category:Wording Issues]], [[:Category:Needs Balance]], [[:Category:Formatting Issues]] and [[:Category:Stub]] are piling on entries much quicker than they are losing them. <br />
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:::Or if you want a REALLY fun project, you can go through [[Special:DoubleRedirects]], make sure the WhatLinksHere pages are clear, then add delete tags to all of them. I'm kind of dreading getting to that myself :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:19, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Some reasoning's for clearing out the unrated can be seen [[Template:Campaign Setting Rating/meta#Frequent Comments/Questions|here]]. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:27, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Oh wow, that's really helpful. I haven't seen that before, maybe it should be linked on the CS Rating template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 21 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Awesome, thanks for the list. I'm working a lot on finnishing my campaign setting ([[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Orion]], you can check out and comment on some of the finnished pages if ya want ;)) but in my free time, that sounds great. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:19, 22 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== firearms and non lethal damage ==<br />
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since i noticed you like modern (judging from all the edits) i thought you may be the person to ask. How do you justify a -4 to hit with a firearm to do non lethal damage? if you hit them with a bullet, you hit them with a bullet. it doesn't make alot of sense to me. Describing it as "you graze them" doesnt really cut it IMHO. whats your take on it? --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 03:29, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, in d20 Modern you can't deal nonlethal damage with a ranged weapon unless you are using it as an improvised melee weapon (i.e. hitting someone in the face with your gun). See [[MSRD:Death,_Dying,_and_Healing#Nonlethal_Damage|here]]. It's a good thing, too, because I'm not sure I ''could'' justify non-lethal munitions damage, especially with the way nonlethal damage is handled in Modern. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::thank you. i never knew modern made the distinction for no nonlethal for ranged (short of rubber bullets). now i know, and knowing is half the battle. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 04:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem :) It's one of those things that's in the back of my head somewhere, I had to look it up to be sure. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:08, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Deletion Jay==<br />
Anything marked "delete", ''Needs'' to be deleted. They are a stain upon my honor. However, you are actually not allowed to delete a page only upon authors request. That is true. In that case, just get rid of the author box and slap a "needs balance" tag on it. But seriously, thou's articles are s***. Thanks Jazz. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 03:42, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Meh, they don't seem that bad to me, but if that's what you want. I'll go through them and see what needs to be done. Honestly, after looking through so many articles (other than yours), I think we need to implement some sort of "it's not great so it's gone" policy. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 04:04, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Double redirects ==<br />
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Ok, I changed the first redirect so it links directly to the third, however the second redirect has no 'what links here' option. The second redirect page is [[800 CE (DnD Campaign Setting)|800 CE]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:10, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What you are looking for is the "toolbox" on the left-hand side of the page. It's the first link in that box. In this case, the what links here page ([[Special:WhatLinksHere/800_CE_(DnD_Campaign_Setting)|here]]) has a TON of links on it. If it has that many, don't worry about changing all of them.<br />
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:Oh, and I remembered one more thing. Before you change the first redirect, check out the what links there. If no pages link to that page either, then add the delete tag with the "unneeded redirect" as the reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::However if not all of them are changed, some links will go red when they shouldn't. Is there something I can do in this case? Because it doesn't feel right just letting a whole bunch of links go...--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:23, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, don't put a delete tag if any pages link to that page. If any links are left, then don't worry about deleting it. Usually when I go through the deletion category my process is this: 1) decide if the page should get deleted, 2) check "what links here", changing all links that point to that page, then 3) delete the page. If you go through and do steps 1 and 2, then I can do 3 a lot faster.<br />
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:::Basically, the first priority is getting rid of the double redirects, because those pages are broken. If you click on page 1, it won't redirect twice and land you on page 3, it will land on page 2 and get "stuck". Second priority is getting rid of redirects that don't have anything pointing to them. For instance, on that page where you accidentally typed 3.5we instead of 3.5e, when I moved it back it created a redirect, but it's unnecessary, since nobody will ever need to click on a link that says 3.5we. Third priority is avoiding redirects entirely; it's cleaner that way, but not really necessary. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I think I understand this completely now... and it's starting to feel kinda hopeless. ''':P''' Anyways, I'll do a few a day and see if I can finish by 2011. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:46, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Ha ha ha, yeah. When I get into one of my moods I'll help you out. The good thing is, once it's done, it'll be really easy to stay on top of. I think the fact that there's so much to be done is what's gotten it to where it is in the first place. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Help==<br />
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Hey, I didn't want to bother GD with this cause I've been bugging him a lot lately and you seem to know what your doing here on the wiki. Whenever I go to [[:Category:Orion]] page it auto takes me to an edit preview page with the category text on it except nothing in the edit box. Is it doing this for you, and do you know what in the world is going on here? Oh, and its saying that the page doesn't exist, hence the red link.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:11, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Nvm, I figured it out, sorry for bothering you! Oh, and you can delete this message if you want to. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:15, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Heh, glad to be of help :p<br />
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::Yeah, categories are strange beasts. They "work" (display content) even if they don't exist yet. But I guess you just figured that out. They also can't be moved, which buggers things up as well. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Klas Wullt ==<br />
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I would like to talk about my classes!<br />
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My msn:swedenplus@yahoo.com<br />
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:Sorry about the delay, but I have requested to be added to your buddylist. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:49, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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Hey, since the sandbox auto cleaning no longer works, if I'm ever on and the sandbox hasn't been cleaned in the last three hours and their is something on it, should I go through it and emtpy it? Seing as thats how often it was supposed to be cleaned by the bot.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:36, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's pretty much what I've been doing, yeah. I don't know if it's really important to have an empty sandbox, but it gives me something to do. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:40, 19 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Understanding D20 Modern ==<br />
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You seem to be very into d20m stuff, so I thought I would pop buy and ask you my question. Normal D&D uses a specific rule set, however D&D adventures may include anything from bone clubs to machine guns. Does this work the same way for d20m to? So could something designed using the d20m rule set, however still set in medieval times be proper for d20m? I didn't think it would generally, however seeing as normal 3.5e works both ways, why not modern? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:23, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Actually, yes. But unlike D&D, where you have to invent rules for modern times or else find a third party sourcebook, WotC has published both [[d20 Past]] and [[d20 Future]] (and [[d20 Apocalypse]], if you think the future will end disastrously), so most of the gruntwork has been done for you. IIRC, though, d20 Past has some information about early history, but is only fully fleshed out from ~1500's and beyond. There's no reason you couldn't use the system to go earlier than that, but you'd definitely be grabbing a lot of stuff from D&D at that point. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:06, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok cool, thanks for the nice response. I'm not to familiar with d20 anyways, but it's nice to know if I ever get into it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 17:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::No problem. I love the system and there aren't nearly enough players. I'll take any chance to convert I can get! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:10, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==modern question==<br />
Do you happen to know the name of the alien computer people playable race from the d20 future book? they got implants and stuff... i dont have my books around me and its buggun the hell outta me.--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Are you thinking of Aleerin? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:25, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::yes, thanks. I'm going to use them in a DnD campaign as warforged from the future--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 22:28, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oooh that sounds like a fun idea. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:31, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spammers ==<br />
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It's pretty clear that spam bothers you as much as it bothers me and a few others here. You, however, are an admin. I notice whenever Green Dragon reverts spam he bans the IP poster. Can you ban people as an admin, or do you need other rights? Do you think banning random IPs is even worth it? Do you have the ability to ban an IP range? Would that be more effective, without causing too much collateral damage? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:25, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I can ban IPs, but I choose not to for the most part. If I see the same IP has made two spam edits I'll block them, but 95% of IP spammers change IPs after every edit, and I don't want to eventually have blocked every IP. I think I can block IP ranges, though you have to be ''really'' careful, because it's easy to block too many. I'll look into that and see if it's worth it.<br />
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:What I've been doing in the mean time is any time I see a page has been spammed more than once I block IP editing on that page for a couple months. Don't know if it does anything but it's wortha shot.<br />
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:What we really need to do is put the Captcha back on. The problem with that is that GD says it's all or nothing; if IP's have to fill out Captcha, then so do the rest of the users. If he can find a way to get it so that *only* anons have to use it, then that will solve all of our problems. (The captcha is something that only bureaucrats have access to, which I think at this time is only Green and Blue Dragon). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Can we make it so that you only need to add a captcha for edits containing external links? I seem to recall seeing that somewhere, either here or wikipedia or some other wiki... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's how we set it up before. The problem is it considers things like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jazzman831&action=edit this] an external link (diffs as well, which are used much more often), even though it's only linking back to D&D wiki. I guess the question is which do you find more annoying? GD said he'd be glad to turn captchas back on if spam gets worse. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:06, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ehh, I guess I rarely use those. I mean, sure I do, but less than once a week, probably. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool, I'll leave a note on GD's page. (And btw, I'm definitely seeing a benefit to the tavern now...)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening MoI ==<br />
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Since you commented on Green Dragon's talk page about re-opening the tavern, I thought I would let you know that it's been over a week and I have made [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|this discussion]] to ask the community what they think. I would appreciate it if you could stop by and leave your two cents. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I think we edited at the same time :) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:51, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I mentioned that you are (probably) capable of running an IRC channel, in the tavern discussion we were having on Green Dragon's talk page. I figure I should send you a quick message in case I have overstepped my bounds, and you are unwilling or unable to perform the actions I supposed you could. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:31, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Fixing redirects ==<br />
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As I was moving the DnD pages to 3.5e (using the list you gave me on my talk page) I was also fixing all of the redirects. I got to [[DnD Base Classes]]. Over 500 pages link to it. Now, most of those are probably from the breadcrumb, so I can change that, then should I bother to go through all of the remaining links and change them? I will if you say so, I'm fine with doing it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:40, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'd fix the breadcrumb first and see what happens from there. If there's 500 pages, then that's a perfect example of how redirects ''should'' be used. I suspect, however, that the breadcrumb is the vast majority. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I fixed the breadcrumb right after I posted here. There were still over 250, however less than 500. About how redirects should be used; I always thought that redirects were just to prevent red links until they were fixed, meaning all redirects should be removed eventually... I think that is even somewhere on the to-do list... --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:29, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::If you're talking 250, it should be waaaaaay down on the list. A single redirect really doesn't cause any problems; the only redirects that ''have'' to be fixed are doubles; they don't link properly and page navigation is messed up. But then if you are feeling frisky I certainly won't stop you from fixing the links. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:50, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Lol, I think I may just be feeling frisky... tomorrow, or maybe the day after... or the day after that... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:12, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam!!! ==<br />
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I have reverted spam on the page [[Reybrah (4e Race)]] more than 6 times today, your the admin who is on the most, so please protect the page before its spammed more! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Holy cow, in the time it took me to protect the page another one spammed it! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 10:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Blocking an IP ==<br />
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The page you just protected, earlier I was reverting the spam then gave up as nobody was protecting it. However when I was doing that I notice that it was the same IP spamming the page. Now that you protected the page, the same IP is spamming ANOTHER page. Please block the IP. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, wasn't paying enough attention. GD got it though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, thanks anyways. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DnD Page Moving ==<br />
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Since you gave me the links I thought I would keep you updated and tell you I had finished moving all of the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 Pages that start with DnD]. I'll be moving on to the other list now. If there was any to-do list this was on (didn't see it on the main one), it can be crossed off. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Woo Hoo! I don't know if there really are any current to do lists, so I'll just mentally cross that off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== IP you blocked ==<br />
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The IP you just blocked... for a year. That seems a little much for one rude edit; I'm not attacking your move, I'm just wondering, why so long? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:08, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It was two edits, one of which was attempting to be somewhat sly. I didn't block him from creating an account so if, within that year, he decides to behave there's nothing stopping him from editing. I'm not sure we are really missing much having him gone. I admit I have sort of a weak spot with IP users in general, vandals, and middle-school behavior, so when a 12 year old anonymous user vandalizes I might overreact a little... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::lol, alright, thanks for clearing that up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 13:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Lots of broken links ==<br />
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Why are there so many broken links and such across the wiki? Like the conjuration page for example. How did this happen? [[Special:Contributions/98.65.197.239|98.65.197.239]] 04:18, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Recently the wiki has crashed and changed servers and all kinds of stuff, and now a lot of things aren't working correctly. It's supposed to all be being looked at though. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:14, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Half-Life Setting ==<br />
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Hey mate. It's Crysis2. I apologize for the lack of formatting with the Half-Life setting. I'm attempting to fix this now. Actually, when I started, I just put down descriptions from other websites. I am deleting them all and replacing them. Anyways, thanks for whipping it into shape. I appreciate it!<br />
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== Delete ==<br />
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Hey I noticed you put the delete template on the complete ninja handbook.... For 2.5e.... U said it is nothing but headers... That's because I havent had the time to work on filling it in..... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 16:42, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, that's why I put the delete template. Any page that isn't up to snuff is eligible for deletion... though realistically pages don't get deleted all that often. And really, if someone deleted the blank page, what have you really lost anyway? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:34, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Sandbox ==<br />
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hey... since i always see your name on the sandbox page in the miscellaneous section. i wanted to let you know... someone just edited above the double line again.... do you want me to remove it? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:33, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It's not really that big of a deal, it's just the sandbox. In fact, there's no rule that says only mods can clean it out, so if you ever want to then feel free! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:47, 12 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Regarding your religious propaganda and page protections thereof ==<br />
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Don't try to spread religious propaganda, in the name of 'preventing someone from sneaking in ideological edits'.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Archetyper&diff=prev&oldid=518180]<br />
This is a roleplaying site, not a soapbox to spread your abrahamic religion, protecting the pages so that no one can stop you, and being vindictive enough to wikistalk a person who makes an edit that prevents such propaganda.<br />
[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Adonai,_God_of_the_Hebrews_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=prev&oldid=518175]<br />
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[[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 19:04, 13 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Archetyperhttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=God,_Christian_Faith_(3.5e_Deity)&diff=518169God, Christian Faith (3.5e Deity)2011-05-13T13:28:09Z<p>Archetyper: </p>
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===Belief===<br />
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The religion of God is a monotheistic belief in the triune God: Father, Son and Holy Ghost. They believe God created the entire universe, earth, and all that inhabit it. The belief in God also believes in Jesus Christ, the Redeemer of mankind from eternal doom in Hell. For when Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden, they were no longer righteous in the sights of God, and only through Christ would that righteousness be redeemed. He came to the earth as a perfect man, wholly man and wholly God, through the Virgin Mary. He grew up as a man, bled like a man, and suffered like a man. At the end of His first life, preached for a few years before He was crucified on a cross. His body was put into a burial chamber (more so a cave). To prevent Him from leaving, as scriptures had told He would rise again, the Romans placed a huge boulder at the entrance to the cave. On the morning of third day after His death, He rose again and conquered death. Christians (followers of Christ, or "little Christs") believe in many set laws laid down by Christ. Ten of these are the Ten Commandments. Jesus Christ ordered his followers that they should, as the most important commandment of all, was to "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." -Matthew 22:37-40. In addition, they were to travel all the land and spread the news of the good King to anyone and [[Image:Saint Sebald-Nuremberg.jpg|thumb|A typical place of worship.]]everyone to save as many from being condemned to Baator, or Hell. God, or Jehovah, is viewed as the God of All Creation, Love, and Mercy, for He is all that is good and just and created all that exists. He is also a jealous God, for He is not pleased by those who worship other gods. Nobody is out of the reach of His grace and mercy (and also His wrath). He loves all and welcomes any and all into His Kingdom as long as they are a believer in the Savior Jesus Christ, the Messiah. The Bible is the holy text of the religion. Separated into Books, Chapters, and Verses, it lays out the several historical events of God's people. The main reason for this is to show the love and power of the Lord God, Almighty: the Alpha and the Omega. God is an immortal being, reigning from Heaven and through the whole universe for all eternity. His followers are taught to love all others, and not to judge, for the final judgment will be the Lord's. While it is right to do the good thing, good deeds do not, according to the faith, obtain righteousness. Only belief in Jesus Christs obtains that righteousness. Followers of Christ are to put worldly things behind, for they will not be taken into the after life. They are taught to bow to no one, for Man cannot bring true happiness nor forgiveness for their sins. Prayer is the most powerful ability for a follower of Christ. A follower should pray in the morning, at each meal, throughout the day when trouble happens, before they go to bed, when they see a cruelty, when miracles happen, when good things happen, when bad things happen, when the little things happen, etc. The Lord God is a follower's Heavenly Father first and foremost, but the Lord seeks to be our best and greatest friend and love. The religion, or faith, should be one of spiritual intimacy. The religion is a relationship with Christ, for a religion is nothing but a set of rules, while Christianity is a relationship with their God. Most faiths state that by following the rules and doing this or that, you will become closer to God. Christianity states that by a simple prayer and having faith and hope, you are now under the Lord's wing and are one with the religion. You start out near the deity and work your way into following the rules. No follower can follow every rule of the religion, for they are not perfect. They are sinners. God loves His children more than anyone or anything could ever love them in the multiverse. Tithing is another important part of being a Christian. Jesus once said, “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s” Matt 22:15-22). Tithing means giving 10% of all earnings to the church, God says if we are faithful in tithes & offerings, He will open the windows of heaven and pour out abundant blessings (Malachi 3:10-12; also Proverbs 3:10). Unlike most other deity's in the D&D cosmology, God can be given no statistics for battle, for He is everywhere and everything and has power over everything. At the same time though, man has been given the power of free will, allowing them to make their own choices. The archdevil, Satan or Lucifer, a fallen angel who tries to show God how corrupt man is, deceives man. It is man's choice to follow what the devil tells them or to follow the truth: the word, commandment, and love of the Holy Father, Jehovah. The Bible, the book of God's people, was originally written in Hebrew. For God's people were the Hebrews. To save His children from their sin, He sent His Son, Jesus Christ, a Hebrew, to save them. God's manifestation resides in Chronias, the Seventh heaven, for no other place is more perfectly suited for him, perhaps his greatest angel is Zaphkiel, who like god, is mysterious and kind. While in the D&D cosmology it is impossible to deny the existence of other gods, who very frequently come down onto worlds in the flesh, Christians regard these gods as inferior to their own.<br />
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6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;<br />
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7 you shall have no other gods before me.<br />
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8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.<br />
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9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,<br />
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10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.<br />
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11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.<br />
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12 Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you.<br />
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13 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.<br />
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14 But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.<br />
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15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.<br />
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16 Honor your father and your mother, as the Lord your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.<br />
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18 Neither shall you commit adultery.<br />
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19 Neither shall you steal.<br />
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20 Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour.<br />
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21 Neither shall you covet your neighbour’s wife. Neither shall you desire your neighbour’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.<br />
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==== On the Creed of the Christian Faith ====<br />
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# Q: What is the first part of Christian Doctrine?<br />
#* A: The first part of Christian Doctrine is the Symbol of the Apostles, commonly called the Creed.<br />
# Q: Why do you call the Creed the Symbol of the Apostles?<br />
#* A: The Creed is called the Symbol of the Apostles because it is a summary of the truths of faith taught by the Apostles.<br />
# Q: How many articles are there in the Creed?<br />
#* A: There are twelve articles in the Creed.<br />
# Q: Recite them.<br />
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## I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth;<br />
## And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord;<br />
## Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost; born of the Virgin Mary;<br />
## Suffered under Pontius Pilate: was crucified, dead, and buried;<br />
## He descended into hell: the third day He rose again from the dead;<br />
## He ascended into Heaven: sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty;<br />
## From thence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.<br />
## I believe in the Holy Ghost;<br />
## The Holy Catholic Church; the Communion of Saints;<br />
## The forgiveness of sins;<br />
## The resurrection of the body;<br />
## Life everlasting. Amen.<br />
# Q: What is meant by the word: "I believe", which you say at the beginning of the Symbol?<br />
#* A: The word: I believe, means I hold everything that is contained in these twelve articles to be perfectly true; and I believe these truths more firmly than if I saw them with my eyes, because God, who can neither deceive nor be deceived, has revealed them to the Holy Catholic Church and through this Church to us.<br />
# Q: What do the articles of the Creed contain?<br />
#* A: The articles of the Creed contain the principal truths to be believed concerning God, Jesus Christ, and the Church, His Spouse.<br />
# Q: Is it useful to recite the Creed frequently?<br />
#* A: It is most useful to recite the Creed frequently, so as to impress the truths of faith more and more deeply on our hearts.<br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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In a Protestant church, Christian clergyman come from all sorts of backgrounds. They wear any clothing, for all men and women are the children of the Lord. Generally, to show respect though, clergyman will wear a dressy clothing style. Their temples are usually in the shape of a beautifully constructed house. They adorn a cross at a high point of the architecture, and are adorned with stained glass. Their temples are called the House of God, where the Body of Christ (the worshipers or the "Congregation") shall gather and share witness and testament to their faith. It is also a place of remembrance for Jesus Christ, the Savior, to remind them of what He did for them. Each first Sunday of every month, Communion is observed by followers. During Communion, Christians eat a ceremonial bread and drink a wine or a juice to remind them that Jesus bled for their sins and that they are saved through Him. In a Catholic church, Christian priests wear cassocks, which are black garments with black tab collars that resemble a simple robe. The bishops wear black cassocks as well, only with a red sash around their waists. The Pope always wears white. During the Mass, which is the sacrifice of Christ renewed for his people so that they might eat his flesh, the priest or bishop will wear special garments. During the "Asperges Me" he sprinkles the congregation with holy water while wearing a gloriously adorned cope. Then he will change into a simple chasuble with the corresponding colour of the Church year (Green, Black, Purple, White, Blue or Red). The bishop also carries a golden crossier and wears a beautiful miter. The Pope, the highest bishop, the highest clergyman of the Catholic church on earth will at times wear a very large diadem. Christian monks and nuns wear black, white or brown robes. The nuns wear black habit if they have taken solemn vows, while the postulants wear white habits. Monks shave their head in a tonsure. <br />
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Their chapels, churches and cathedrals are beautifully adorned with many statues of the saints, Mary and Jesus. The focal point of all Christian Churches is the stone altar, above which there is a crucifix with the bloody body of Christ displayed upon it. The windows are coloured, displaying often the mysteries of the rosary or a saint's life or the stations of the Cross. The people kneel and sit in wooden pews. Silence is observed before, during and after Mass, although a choir will sing at High Mass, accompanied by a very quiet chapel organ which may have many glorious golden pipes. The language of the Mass is Latin, the ancient and precious language of the Christian Church and Christian Scriptures and Tradition. Although, Jesus Christ was a Jew and the main followers of the Old Testament were Jewish. Hebrew was spoken by most of them before Latin was. Hebrew is where the Latin translation got its information. Being able to understand Hebrew allows the follower to go back to the very basics of the faith.<br />
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If there is any god that is the most ancient of all gods, it is Lohm. Lohm was spawned by the primordial divine energy, which split in two to form the god Lohm, and a cloud of what could be called 'divine life energy', which counterbalanced the death and impermanence that Lohm embodied. The divine life energy then spawned the two sisters [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], the god of pleasure, and [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], the god of suffering.<br />
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Lohm lacks a particularly defined form, but when she appears she looks vaguely like a gray-colored adolescent girl with straight hair and a blank expression on her face. She is neither beautiful nor ugly, but plain-looking, though she is rarely seen clearly enough to make that judgment anyway. When she is seen, which is rare, it is only as a head, not an entire body. Lohm appears vaguely in the shapes of clouds, or appears in a barely-visible transparent form in the air. Lohm never exists in a form that is both opaque and well-defined.<br />
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Lohm dwells in the atmosphere of the material plane, usually invisibly, seeking out beings who are lost or otherwise alone or apart from society, whose souls she seeks to reap when they die. She also reaps the souls of her own clerics. Souls reaped by Lohm are not sent to one of the various afterlife planes, but are made to vanish into non-existence. Lohm reaps the souls of the recently deceased by placing her hand upon them, which causes the soul to lose coherence and disperse like vapor.<br />
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Lohm's teaching is simple. It can be summed up as: "Everything comes to an end. Don't try to preserve anything."<br />
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Lohm is an unpopular god, and Lohm's followers are few in number. Followers of Lohm are especially rare among species that are typically lively, purposeful, avaricious, and/or ambitious.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm wear clothes made of thin cotton cloth, which represent impermanence due to their vulnerability to both biodegradation and fire.<br />
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In stark contrast to most gods' temples, it is forbidden that the temples of Lohm be constructed of long-lasting materials like cut stones, bricks, or bronze, because such materials represent relative permanence, in contrast to the impermanence that Lohm represents. Lohm's temples are typically constructed of such things as bamboo, paper, and thatched reeds. Lohm's temples are located in random and out-of-the-way places in nature, most of them on plains or hills.<br />
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The clerics at any temple of Lohm tear apart and bury the temple every 10 to 20 year, and build a new one in a new random location.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm bury the bodies of their dead without coffins or other covering, in unmarked graves, and do not keep any records or keepsakes of their dead.<br />
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|port=Suffering, Torture, Suffocation, Nightmares, Horror<br />
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Hreth was spawned by the primordial divine energy, simultaneously with her sister [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], who is her opposite. Yulia is the embodiment of pleasure, whereas Hreth is the embodiment of suffering. Those two primordial sisters are among the most ancient of the gods, being only less ancient than [[Lohm (3.5e Deity)|Lohm]].<br />
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Unlike Yulia, Hreth has not spawned any archangels, nor otherwise worked on behalf of any ideal. Hreth is too chaotic to do so.<br />
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Yulia and Hreth are fundamentally linked together. They occupy the same place, but within parallel dimensions, in the ethereal plane. Whenever a being tries to summon Yulia, Hreth soon appears instead. Whenever a being tries to reach Yulia by going to her realm in the ethereal plane, Hreth will try to pull them over across to her own dimension, and the closer that one gets to Yulia, the stronger the pull. Only the rare beings whose souls are devoid of evil are immune to Hreth's pull.<br />
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Hreth is among the most feared of the gods, though she would easily be the most feared of all if she were not reclusive.<br />
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Like her sister Yulia, Hreth appears roughly like a nude adult female humanoid. Like Yulia, Hreth moves with her head leading and her body trailing behind, although Hreth's body trails at a diagonal angle in contrast to Yulia's which is completely horizontal. Like Yulia, Hreth has long and plentiful hair. Like Yulia, Hreth is surrounded by an aura of gaseous streams. Every other physical aspect about Yulia and Hreth is opposite. Hreth is dull black in color, as are the streams of gaseous aura that emanate from her body. Hreth's body is very skinny, sinewy, and shriveled, appearing sick, starved, and old. Hreth's hair is disheveled and wild, extending in all directions. Hreth's face is very ugly; her lips and cheeks are so shriveled and shrunken that they are receded, showing her teeth, her nose is shriveled and shrunken such that her nose is small and upturned, and her eyes are shriveled and shrunken deep into her eye sockets. Hreth's breasts are flattened, sagging, and shriveled.<br />
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Hreth's breasts can secrete a thick, black, oily substance akin to tar. In diametric contrast to Yulia's breast milk which imparts great pleasure, Hreth's breast milk imparts great suffering.<br />
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Hreth is too chaotic to have any real dogma. If Hreth has any dogma, it is simply: "Make every conscious being suffer!!"<br />
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The clerics of Hreth are very few in number, because Hreth is a very unpopular god. Even among evil-aligned beings she is unpopular. Only among some demon species, and some typically evil species of the material plane (such as drow elves, hags, and grimlocks) does Hreth have more-than-marginal popularity. Among non-drow elves, humans, dwarves, and gnomes, less than 1 percent are followers of Hreth. The followers of Hreth are only the most sadistic and/or mentally disturbed of beings.<br />
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The clerics of Hreth wear coarsely-cut black-stained hooded cloaks made of hide. They are often adorned with such things as raw bloody sinews and bloody pulled teeth. In addition to their hoods, they also often wear ugly masks. The clerics of Hreth practice self-mutilation and tooth-filing, as well as torturing animals and humanoids. Some of them also torture themselves.<br />
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The temples of Hreth are hidden away, most of them in swamps and forests. The temples of Hreth are small and crudely constructed. They are made with walls of large piled-up stones, with or without mortar to help hold them together, and the roof preferably consists of large stone slab(s), or, failing that, a bunch of branches. Weeds or other vegetation often grows on or around the temple. The temples lack an artificial floor, and are filthy inside- often infested with spiders or other vermin.<br />
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If there is any god that is the most ancient of all gods, it is Lohm. Lohm was spawned by the primordial divine energy, which split in two to form the god Lohm, and a cloud of what could be called 'divine life energy', which counterbalanced the death and impermanence that Lohm embodied. The divine life energy then spawned the two sisters [[Yulia (3.5e Deity)|Yulia]], the god of pleasure, and [[Hreth (3.5e Deity)|Hreth]], the god of suffering.<br />
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Lohm lacks a particularly defined form, but when she appears she looks vaguely like a gray-colored adolescent girl with straight hair and a blank expression on her face. She is neither beautiful nor ugly, but plain-looking, though she is rarely seen clearly enough to make that judgment anyway. When she is seen, which is rare, it is only as a head, not an entire body. Lohm appears vaguely in the shapes of clouds, or appears in a barely-visible transparent form in the air. Lohm never exists in a form that is both opaque and well-defined.<br />
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Lohm dwells in the atmosphere of the material plane, usually invisibly, seeking out beings who are lost or otherwise alone or apart from society, whose souls she seeks to reap when they die. She also reaps the souls of her own clerics. Souls reaped by Lohm are not sent to one of the various afterlife planes, but are made to vanish into non-existence. Lohm reaps the souls of the recently deceased by placing her hand upon them, which causes the soul to loose coherence and disperse like vapor.<br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Lohm's teaching is simple. It can be summed up as: "Everything comes to an end. Don't try to preserve anything."<br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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Lohm is an unpopular god, and Lohm's followers are few in number. Followers of Lohm are especially rare among species that are typically lively, purposeful, avaricious, and/or ambitious.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm wear clothes made of thin cotton cloth, which represent impermanence due to their vulnerability to both biodegradation and fire.<br />
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In stark contrast to most gods' temples, it is forbidden that the temples of Lohm be constructed of long-lasting materials like cut stones, bricks, or bronze, because such materials represent relative permanence, in contrast to the impermanence that Lohm represents. Lohm's temples are typically constructed of such things as bamboo, paper, and thatched reeds. Lohm's temples are located in random and out-of-the-way places in nature, most of them on plains or hills.<br />
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The clerics at any temple of Lohm tear apart and bury the temple every 10 to 20 year, and build a new one in a new random location.<br />
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The clerics of Lohm bury the bodies of their dead without coffins or other covering, in unmarked graves, and do not keep any records or keepsakes of their dead.<br />
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=Abyss=<br />
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The Abyss, otherwise known as the Infinite Layers of the Abyss, is a chaotic evil-aligned plane of existence. <br />
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===Description===<br />
One description of the Abyss presents it as a region of intense, extreme, and unforgiving climates, with layers consisting of overwhelmingly fierce desert sandstorms; explosively unstable volcanic activity, boiling lava, and molten rock; blinding, sub-zero Arctic glaciers; bottomless oceans filled with enormous leviathans; nauseatingly putrid environments saturated with disease-causing fungi; and the endless, existential void of infinite space.<br />
<br />
Another description suggests that the Abyss may be alive, and that it spawns demons out of its urge to spread chaos and destruction.<br />
<br />
It is very dangerous to adventure in planes such as the Abyss, especially for low- and mid-level characters: "Sure, it's possible to design a situation in which first-level characters can accomplish something important and survive in the Abyss, but the immensity and power of the planes is undermined. In addition, on planes such as the Abyss, negotiating with evil creatures is frequently necessary, possibly making these planes useful to only neutral and evil characters."<br />
<br />
===Inhabitants===<br />
The main race that inhabits the Abyss are the demons, chaotic evil beings. There are four kinds of demon: <br />
*the classical, religion-inspired demons of evil and sin the Tanar'ri<br />
* the ancient, Lovecraftian Obyriths<br />
*the recently appeared Loumaras <br />
*and the other demons, which are simply demons that are not specified as belonging to any of the other three categories. <br />
<br />
Each of these categories contains numerous different species of demon. Of the four categories, the Tanar'ri are the most numerous and most influential and the true rulers of the plane.<br />
<br />
The petitioners (souls of the dead who have been sent to the layer for the afterlife) of the Abyss are called manes, and they are the lowest caste of the Tanar'ri. They have pale white skin, sharp teeth and claws, and maggots are reported to crawl through their flesh. Manes that survive for many years may be promoted to greater forms of demon. Extremely clever, lucky ones that survive for millennia may even eventually become Demon Lords. The Demon Lord Orcus is one such demon lord who began as a mane.<br />
<br />
The Demon Lords, also known as demon princes, are extremely powerful demons, mostly of the Tanar'ri category though a few Obyrith lords exist as well, who through sheer power and influence have came to rule over one of the layers of the Abyss. They are near god-like in power, each have unique forms, many have cult-followings upon the material plane, and they command scores of lesser demons. Known demon lords include Orcus, Demogorgon, Graz'zt, Fraz-Urb'luu, Baphomet, Yeenoghu, Juiblex, Malcanthet, Pazuzu, Kostchtchie, Dagon, Pale Night, Obox-ob, Zuggtmoy, Sess'Innek, and numerous others.<br />
<br />
Chaotic evil deities also inhabit the Abyss, including Vaprak, the god of ogres and trolls; Lolth, the demon queen of spiders and drow; and Great Mother, the goddess of beholders. These deities could also be considered demon lords however. The term "Demon Lord" is really more of a title than a category of beings, and deities such as those mentioned meet the criteria for bearing such a title of ruling over one of the Abyss' layers. Many of the formerly mentioned demon lords themselves have god-like traits; they sway the worship of entire races, have cult-followings, and sometimes even have portfolios attributed to them. Therefore they might be gods. The exact distinction between "demon lord" and "deity" is rather unclear.<br />
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===Structure===<br />
Like other outer planes, the Abyss is spatially infinite.<br />
<br />
===Layers===<br />
The Abyss is said to consist of an infinite number of layers, though the total number is also quoted as 666. Layers are numbered based upon order of discovery by various personalities.<br />
<br />
A list of layers named so far in D&D supplements includes:<br />
<br />
1 - '''Pazunia''' (also known as The Plane of Infinite Portals or The Palace of 1001 Closets) has been described as an infinite plane with only three types of distinct features: <br />
*The river Styx flowing through it (as it does through the top layers of other evil planes).<br />
*Large sinkholes which connect to other layers of the Abyss, some were drilled intentionally by ancient demons during the Abyss' original exploration. The largest of these holes is the Grand Abyss.<br />
*Iron Fortresses which guard the physical bodies of Demon Princes when they leave the Abyss to travel astrally.<br />
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2 - '''Driller's Hives''' realm of Tharzax the Chattering Prince.<br />
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3 - '''The Forgotten Land''' realm of Zzyczesiya the Ungrasped.<br />
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4 - The Grand Abyss, a bottomless, nigh-infinite canyon that contains portals to virtually every other layer in the Abyss.<br />
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5 - Wormblood<br />
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6 - Realm of a Million Eyes, home to the Great Mother, Princess of Beholders.<br />
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7 - Phantom Plane, realm of the demon lord of the lizard kings, Sess'Innek.<br />
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8 - The Skin-shedder, realm of Volisupula the Flensed Marquesse.<br />
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9 - Burningwater<br />
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10 - "That Hellhole"<br />
<br />
11 - Molrat<br />
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12 - Twelvetrees<br />
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13 - Blood Tor, realm of the goddesses Beshaba and Umberlee.<br />
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14 - The Steaming Fen, realm of the Queen of Chaos.<br />
<br />
17 - Death's Reward, realm of Abraxas the Unfathomable.<br />
<br />
21 - The Sixth Pyre, realm of Kardum, Lord of Balors.<br />
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23 - Iron Wastes, home to Kostchtchie, demon Prince of frost giants.<br />
<br />
27 - Malignebula, realm of the Abyssal lord Lissa'aere the Noxious.<br />
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32 - Sholo-Tovoth: The Fields of Consumption, realm of Turaglas the Ebon Maw.<br />
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45 to 47 - these three layers make up Azzagrat, the realm of the demon prince Graz'zt, the rival of Demogorgon. Other sources list these as layers 42 to 44. In First Edition D&D, Graz'zt's layer is an infinite palace which filled his entire layer.<br />
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49 - Shaddonon, realm of the demon lord Rhyxali, Princess of Shadow.<br />
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52 - Vorganund<br />
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57 - Torturous Truth, realm of the Abyssal lord Alvarez the Purging Duke.<br />
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66 - The Demonweb Pits, home of Lolth, queen of spiders and principal deity of evil drow, particularly in Menzoberranzan. In the Third Edition D&D Forgotten Realms cosmology, the Demonweb Pits is a separate plane. In First Edition D&D, Lolth's Demonweb is located on the 65th layer, from there access is possible to the 66th layer, where her realm and spider-ship is located.<br />
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67 - The Heaving Hills (Verrangoin Realm)<br />
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68 - The Swallowed Void<br />
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69 - The Crushing Plain<br />
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70 - The Ice Floe<br />
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71 - Spirac, hunting grounds of the demon lords.<br />
<br />
72 - Darklight, realm of Nocticula the Undeniable.<br />
<br />
73 - The Wells of Darkness, currently serve as the prison of several demon lords such as Shami-Amorae, Ansitif and Ebulon.<br />
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74 - Smargard, home to Merrshaulk the yuan-ti deity and Ramenos the bullywug deity. Also contains The Viper Pit (Sseth's realm; Powers & Pantheons), and the Silent Temple (Planar Handbook).<br />
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77 - The Gates of Heaven, realm of Munkir and Nekir.<br />
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79 - The Emessu Tunnels, realm of Anarazel the Daring Darkness.<br />
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88 - The Gaping Maw (or Brine Flats or Abysm), home to Demogorgon, Prince of Demons, one of the highest-ranking demons in the abyss.<br />
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89 - Shadowsea, oceanic realm of the demon lord Dagon, Prince of the Depths.<br />
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90 - The Guttering Cove, realm of Ilsidahur the Howling King.<br />
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92 - Ulgurshek<br />
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99 - Unnamed contested layer consisting of several distinctive realms (from First edition D&D module Tales of the Outer Planes); one is where demons are spawned, another is a lightning realm, in another can be found portals leading to Juiblex and Kali's layers.<br />
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111 - The Mind of Evil, realm of Sch’theraqpasstt the Serpent Reborn.<br />
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113 - Thanatos, the realm of Orcus, demon prince of the Undead. Some sources quote this as layer 333 or 133.<br />
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128 - Slugbed, realm of the Abyssal lord Lupercio the Baron of Sloth.<br />
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137 - Outcasts' End, realm of Azazel, Prince of Scapegoats.<br />
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142 - Lifebane, realm of the god Chemosh from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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148 - Torrent<br />
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176 - Hollow's Heart, realm of the demon lord Fraz-Urb'luu, which, due to his magical illusions, appears to be flat, colorless, and featureless to the human eye.<br />
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177 - The Writhing Realm, realm of Ugudenk the Squirming King.<br />
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181 - The Rotting Plain,[4] realm of the troglodyte god Laogzed.<br />
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193 - Vulgarea,[10] realm of the foxwoman goddess Eshebala.<br />
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222 - Shedaklah (aka The Slime Pits), home to Juiblex demon Prince of Slimes, and Zuggtmoy, Demon Queen of Fungi.<br />
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223 - Offalmound,[8] former realm of the dead god Moander from the Forgotten Realms setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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230 - The Dreaming Gulf, a windy realm home to the dreams of dead gods.<br />
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241 - Palpitatia,[8] realm of the bugbear gods Grankhul and Skiggaret.<br />
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245 - The Scalding Sea<br />
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248 - The Hidden Layer, realm of Eltab.<br />
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274 - Durao (gateway layer), mustering ground for the armies of the Abyss as they prepare for battle in the Blood War.<br />
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297 - The Sighing Clifs,[6] realm of the Abyssal lord Lady Lynkhab.<br />
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300 - Feng-Tu, realm of the Chinese gods Tou Mu and Lu Yueh.<br />
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303 - The Sulfanorum<br />
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313 - Gorrison's Grasp, site of Illssender's Tower<br />
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333 - The Broken Scale,[8] realm of the god Hiddukel from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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340 - The Black Blizzard<br />
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348 - Fortress of Indifference, ruled by Tapheon, the nalfeshnee; former realm of the demon lord Thralhavoc.<br />
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357 - The Arc of Eternity, realm of Eldanoth the Bloodless Scion.<br />
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377 - Plains of Gallenshu<br />
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399 - The Worm Realm,[4] realm of the gnome god Urdlen.<br />
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400 - Woeful Escarand (Nalfeshnee Realm), a court at which newly arrived larvae and sometimes other demons are judged<br />
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403 - The Rainless Waste, site of Mal Arundak, the City of Confusion (Fallen archon realm)<br />
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421 - White Kingdom, ruled by the King of Ghouls, once a vassal to Orcus and Yeenoghu, but is now a free agent.<br />
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422 - The Seeping Woods, ruled by Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls. Called "Yeenoghu's Realm" in Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss.<br />
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423 - Galun-Khur<br />
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452 - Ahriman-abad, realm of Ahrimanes, Chief of the Cacodaemons.<br />
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471 - Androlynne, realm of Pale Night.<br />
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487 - Lair of the Beast and Mansion of the Rake,[4] realm of the vampire god Kanchelsis.<br />
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489 - Noisome Vale, ruled by the balor Tarnhem.<br />
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493 - The Steeping Isle, realm of Siragle the Ineffable.<br />
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499 - Carroristo<br />
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503 - Torremor,[4] realm of the demon lord Pazuzu.<br />
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507 - Occipitus,[11] former realm of Adimarchus, the demon prince of madness.<br />
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518 - Melantholep possible name of the nesting grounds of the chole dragons, or perhaps an unknown demon prince who rules the layer.<br />
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523 - Rocky desert that houses the Lakes of Fire (see Planescape adventure 'Rapture').[citation needed]<br />
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524 - Shatterstone,[8] realm of the ogre god Vaprak.<br />
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528 - Juiblex's layer in First Edition D&D, an infinite layer of slimes and oozes feeding off each other. Juiblex's palace is said to resemble the biggest pile of garbage in the multiverse.<br />
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531 - Vudra,[12] realm of the giant marilith Shaktari, the Queen of Poison.<br />
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558 - Fleshforges, realm of Dwiergus the Chrysalis Prince.<br />
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566 - Soulfreeze, realm of Aseroth the Winter Warlock.<br />
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570 - Shendilavri, realm of the demon lord Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi.<br />
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586 - Prison of the Mad God,[4] realm of the derro god Diinkarazan.<br />
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597 - Goranthis, realm of Socothbenoth the Persuader.<br />
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600 - Endless Maze, the realm of Baphomet, demon Prince of Minotaurs. The demoness Pale Night resides here as well.<br />
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601 - Conflagratum,[5] realm of the Abyssal lord Alzrius, Lord of Infernal Light.<br />
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628 - Vallashan, a layer designed to allow temporary victory to conquering armies of good alignment, only to then corrupt the conquerors and turn them against themselves<br />
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643 - Caverns of the Skull,[4] realm of the Black Earth Mother Kali, the goddess of destruction. In First Edition D&D, Kali's layer was #500 and was a jungle of blood-red vegetation bordering a sea of blood.<br />
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651 - Nethuria, realm of Vucarik, Consort of Chains.<br />
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652 - The Rift of Corrosion<br />
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663 - Zionyn, realm of the demon lord Obox-ob, Prince of Vermin.<br />
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=Abyss=<br />
<br />
The Abyss, otherwise known as the Infinite Layers of the Abyss, is a chaotic evil-aligned plane of existence. <br />
<br />
===Description===<br />
One description of the Abyss presents it as a region of intense, extreme, and unforgiving climates, with layers consisting of overwhelmingly fierce desert sandstorms; explosively unstable volcanic activity, boiling lava, and molten rock; blinding, sub-zero Arctic glaciers; bottomless oceans filled with enormous leviathans; nauseatingly putrid environments saturated with disease-causing fungi; and the endless, existential void of infinite space.<br />
<br />
Another description suggests that the Abyss may be alive, and that it spawns demons out of its urge to spread chaos and destruction.<br />
<br />
It is very dangerous to adventure in planes such as the Abyss, especially for low- and mid-level characters: "Sure, it's possible to design a situation in which first-level characters can accomplish something important and survive in the Abyss, but the immensity and power of the planes is undermined. In addition, on planes such as the Abyss, negotiating with evil creatures is frequently necessary, possibly making these planes useful to only neutral and evil characters."<br />
<br />
===Inhabitants===<br />
The main race that inhabits the Abyss are the demons, chaotic evil beings. There are four kinds of demon: <br />
*the classical, religion-inspired demons of evil and sin the Tanar'ri<br />
* the ancient, Lovecraftian Obyriths<br />
*the recently appeared Loumaras <br />
*and the other demons, which are simply demons that are not specified as belonging to any of the other three categories. <br />
<br />
Each of these categories contains numerous different species of demon. Of the four categories, the Tanar'ri are the most numerous and most influential and the true rulers of the plane.<br />
<br />
The petitioners (souls of the dead who have been sent to the layer for the afterlife) of the Abyss are called manes, and they are the lowest caste of the Tanar'ri. They have pale white skin, sharp teeth and claws, and maggots are reported to crawl through their flesh. Manes that survive for many years may be promoted to greater forms of demon. Extremely clever, lucky ones that survive for millennia may even eventually become Demon Lords. The Demon Lord Orcus is one such demon lord who began as a mane.<br />
<br />
The Demon Lords, also known as demon princes, are extremely powerful demons, mostly of the Tanar'ri category though a few Obyrith lords exist as well, who through sheer power and influence have came to rule over one of the layers of the Abyss. They are near god-like in power, each have unique forms, many have cult-followings upon the material plane, and they command scores of lesser demons. Known demon lords include Orcus, Demogorgon, Graz'zt, Fraz-Urb'luu, Baphomet, Yeenoghu, Juiblex, Malcanthet, Pazuzu, Kostchtchie, Dagon, Pale Night, Obox-ob, Zuggtmoy, Sess'Innek, and numerous others.<br />
<br />
Chaotic evil deities also inhabit the Abyss, including Vaprak, the god of ogres and trolls; Lolth, the demon queen of spiders and drow; and Great Mother, the goddess of beholders. These deities could also be considered demon lords however. The term "Demon Lord" is really more of a title than a category of beings, and deities such as those mentioned meet the criteria for bearing such a title of ruling over one of the Abyss' layers. Many of the formerly mentioned demon lords themselves have god-like traits; they sway the worship of entire races, have cult-followings, and sometimes even have portfolios attributed to them. Therefore they might be gods. The exact distinction between "demon lord" and "deity" is rather unclear.<br />
<br />
===Structure===<br />
Like other outer planes, the Abyss is spatially infinite.<br />
<br />
===Layers===<br />
The Abyss is said to consist of an infinite number of layers, though the total number is also quoted as 666. Layers are numbered based upon order of discovery by various personalities.<br />
<br />
A list of layers named so far in D&D supplements includes:<br />
<br />
1 - '''Pazunia''' (also known as The Plane of Infinite Portals or The Palace of 1001 Closets) has been described as an infinite plane with only three types of distinct features: <br />
*The river Styx flowing through it (as it does through the top layers of other evil planes).<br />
*Large sinkholes which connect to other layers of the Abyss, some were drilled intentionally by ancient demons during the Abyss' original exploration. The largest of these holes is the Grand Abyss.<br />
*Iron Fortresses which guard the physical bodies of Demon Princes when they leave the Abyss to travel astrally.<br />
<br />
2 - '''Driller's Hives''' realm of Tharzax the Chattering Prince.<br />
<br />
3 - '''The Forgotten Land''' realm of Zzyczesiya the Ungrasped.<br />
<br />
4 - The Grand Abyss, a bottomless, nigh-infinite canyon that contains portals to virtually every other layer in the Abyss.<br />
<br />
5 - Wormblood<br />
<br />
6 - Realm of a Million Eyes, home to the Great Mother, Princess of Beholders.<br />
<br />
7 - Phantom Plane, realm of the demon lord of the lizard kings, Sess'Innek.<br />
<br />
8 – The Skin-shedder, realm of Volisupula the Flensed Marquesse.<br />
<br />
9 - Burningwater<br />
<br />
10 - "That Hellhole"<br />
<br />
11 - Molrat<br />
<br />
12 - Twelvetrees<br />
<br />
13 - Blood Tor, realm of the goddesses Beshaba and Umberlee.<br />
<br />
14 - The Steaming Fen, realm of the Queen of Chaos.<br />
<br />
17 - Death's Reward, realm of Abraxas the Unfathomable.<br />
<br />
21 - The Sixth Pyre, realm of Kardum, Lord of Balors.<br />
<br />
23 - Iron Wastes, home to Kostchtchie, demon Prince of frost giants.<br />
<br />
27 - Malignebula, realm of the Abyssal lord Lissa'aere the Noxious.<br />
<br />
32 - Sholo-Tovoth: The Fields of Consumption, realm of Turaglas the Ebon Maw.<br />
<br />
45 to 47 - these three layers make up Azzagrat, the realm of the demon prince Graz'zt, the rival of Demogorgon. Other sources list these as layers 42 to 44. In First Edition D&D, Graz'zt's layer is an infinite palace which filled his entire layer.<br />
<br />
49 - Shaddonon, realm of the demon lord Rhyxali, Princess of Shadow.<br />
<br />
52 - Vorganund<br />
<br />
57 - Torturous Truth, realm of the Abyssal lord Alvarez the Purging Duke.<br />
<br />
66 - The Demonweb Pits, home of Lolth, queen of spiders and principal deity of evil drow, particularly in Menzoberranzan. In the Third Edition D&D Forgotten Realms cosmology, the Demonweb Pits is a separate plane. In First Edition D&D, Lolth's Demonweb is located on the 65th layer, from there access is possible to the 66th layer, where her realm and spider-ship is located.<br />
<br />
67 - The Heaving Hills (Verrangoin Realm)<br />
<br />
68 - The Swallowed Void<br />
<br />
69 - The Crushing Plain<br />
<br />
70 - The Ice Floe<br />
<br />
71 - Spirac, hunting grounds of the demon lords.<br />
<br />
72 – Darklight, realm of Nocticula the Undeniable.<br />
<br />
73 - The Wells of Darkness, currently serve as the prison of several demon lords such as Shami-Amorae, Ansitif and Ebulon.<br />
<br />
74 - Smargard, home to Merrshaulk the yuan-ti deity and Ramenos the bullywug deity. Also contains The Viper Pit (Sseth's realm; Powers & Pantheons), and the Silent Temple (Planar Handbook).<br />
<br />
77 - The Gates of Heaven, realm of Munkir and Nekir.<br />
<br />
79 - The Emessu Tunnels, realm of Anarazel the Daring Darkness.<br />
<br />
88 - The Gaping Maw (or Brine Flats or Abysm), home to Demogorgon, Prince of Demons, one of the highest-ranking demons in the abyss.<br />
<br />
89 - Shadowsea, oceanic realm of the demon lord Dagon, Prince of the Depths.<br />
<br />
90 - The Guttering Cove, realm of Ilsidahur the Howling King.<br />
<br />
92 - Ulgurshek<br />
<br />
99 - Unnamed contested layer consisting of several distinctive realms (from First edition D&D module Tales of the Outer Planes); one is where demons are spawned, another is a lightning realm, in another can be found portals leading to Juiblex and Kali's layers.<br />
<br />
111 - The Mind of Evil, realm of Sch’theraqpasstt the Serpent Reborn.<br />
<br />
113- Thanatos, the realm of Orcus, demon prince of the Undead. Some sources quote this as layer 333 or 133.<br />
<br />
128 - Slugbed, realm of the Abyssal lord Lupercio the Baron of Sloth.<br />
<br />
137 - Outcasts' End, realm of Azazel, Prince of Scapegoats.<br />
<br />
142 - Lifebane, realm of the god Chemosh from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
<br />
148 - Torrent<br />
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176 - Hollow's Heart, realm of the demon lord Fraz-Urb'luu, which, due to his magical illusions, appears to be flat, colorless, and featureless to the human eye.<br />
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177 - The Writhing Realm, realm of Ugudenk the Squirming King.<br />
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181 - The Rotting Plain,[4] realm of the troglodyte god Laogzed.<br />
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193 - Vulgarea,[10] realm of the foxwoman goddess Eshebala.<br />
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222 - Shedaklah (aka The Slime Pits), home to Juiblex demon Prince of Slimes, and Zuggtmoy, Demon Queen of Fungi.<br />
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223 - Offalmound,[8] former realm of the dead god Moander from the Forgotten Realms setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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230 - The Dreaming Gulf, a windy realm home to the dreams of dead gods.<br />
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241 - Palpitatia,[8] realm of the bugbear gods Grankhul and Skiggaret.<br />
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245 - The Scalding Sea<br />
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248 - The Hidden Layer, realm of Eltab.<br />
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274 - Durao (gateway layer), mustering ground for the armies of the Abyss as they prepare for battle in the Blood War.<br />
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297 - The Sighing Clifs,[6] realm of the Abyssal lord Lady Lynkhab.<br />
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300 - Feng-Tu, realm of the Chinese gods Tou Mu and Lu Yueh.<br />
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303 - The Sulfanorum<br />
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313 – Gorrison's Grasp, site of Illssender's Tower<br />
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333 - The Broken Scale,[8] realm of the god Hiddukel from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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340 - The Black Blizzard<br />
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348 - Fortress of Indifference, ruled by Tapheon, the nalfeshnee; former realm of the demon lord Thralhavoc.<br />
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357 - The Arc of Eternity, realm of Eldanoth the Bloodless Scion.<br />
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377 - Plains of Gallenshu<br />
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399 - The Worm Realm,[4] realm of the gnome god Urdlen.<br />
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400 - Woeful Escarand (Nalfeshnee Realm), a court at which newly arrived larvae and sometimes other demons are judged<br />
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403 - The Rainless Waste, site of Mal Arundak, the City of Confusion (Fallen archon realm)<br />
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421 - White Kingdom, ruled by the King of Ghouls, once a vassal to Orcus and Yeenoghu, but is now a free agent.<br />
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422 - The Seeping Woods, ruled by Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls. Called "Yeenoghu's Realm" in Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss.<br />
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423 - Galun-Khur<br />
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452 - Ahriman-abad, realm of Ahrimanes, Chief of the Cacodaemons.<br />
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471 - Androlynne, realm of Pale Night.<br />
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487 - Lair of the Beast and Mansion of the Rake,[4] realm of the vampire god Kanchelsis.<br />
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489 - Noisome Vale, ruled by the balor Tarnhem.<br />
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493 - The Steeping Isle, realm of Siragle the Ineffable.<br />
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499 – Carroristo<br />
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503 - Torremor,[4] realm of the demon lord Pazuzu.<br />
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507 - Occipitus,[11] former realm of Adimarchus, the demon prince of madness.<br />
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518 - Melantholep possible name of the nesting grounds of the chole dragons, or perhaps an unknown demon prince who rules the layer.<br />
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523 - Rocky desert that houses the Lakes of Fire (see Planescape adventure 'Rapture').[citation needed]<br />
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524 - Shatterstone,[8] realm of the ogre god Vaprak.<br />
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528 - Juiblex's layer in First Edition D&D, an infinite layer of slimes and oozes feeding off each other. Juiblex's palace is said to resemble the biggest pile of garbage in the multiverse.<br />
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531 - Vudra,[12] realm of the giant marilith Shaktari, the Queen of Poison.<br />
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558 - Fleshforges, realm of Dwiergus the Chrysalis Prince.<br />
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566 - Soulfreeze, realm of Aseroth the Winter Warlock.<br />
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570 - Shendilavri, realm of the demon lord Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi.<br />
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586 - Prison of the Mad God,[4] realm of the derro god Diinkarazan.<br />
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597 - Goranthis, realm of Socothbenoth the Persuader.<br />
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600 - Endless Maze, the realm of Baphomet, demon Prince of Minotaurs. The demoness Pale Night resides here as well.<br />
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601 - Conflagratum,[5] realm of the Abyssal lord Alzrius, Lord of Infernal Light.<br />
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628 - Vallashan, a layer designed to allow temporary victory to conquering armies of good alignment, only to then corrupt the conquerors and turn them against themselves<br />
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643 - Caverns of the Skull,[4] realm of the Black Earth Mother Kali, the goddess of destruction. In First Edition D&D, Kali's layer was #500 and was a jungle of blood-red vegetation bordering a sea of blood.<br />
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651 - Nethuria, realm of Vucarik, Consort of Chains.<br />
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652 - The Rift of Corrosion<br />
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663 - Zionyn, realm of the demon lord Obox-ob, Prince of Vermin.<br />
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=Abyss=<br />
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The Abyss, otherwise known as the Infinite Layers of the Abyss, is a chaotic evil-aligned plane of existence. <br />
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===Description===<br />
One description of the Abyss presents it as a region of intense, extreme, and unforgiving climates, with layers consisting of overwhelmingly fierce desert sandstorms; explosively unstable volcanic activity, boiling lava, and molten rock; blinding, sub-zero Arctic glaciers; bottomless oceans filled with enormous leviathans; nauseatingly putrid environments saturated with disease-causing fungi; and the endless, existential void of infinite space.<br />
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Another description suggests that the Abyss may be alive, and that it spawns demons out of its urge to spread chaos and destruction.<br />
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It is very dangerous to adventure in planes such as the Abyss, especially for low- and mid-level characters: "Sure, it's possible to design a situation in which first-level characters can accomplish something important and survive in the Abyss, but the immensity and power of the planes is undermined. In addition, on planes such as the Abyss, negotiating with evil creatures is frequently necessary, possibly making these planes useful to only neutral and evil characters."<br />
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===Inhabitants===<br />
The main race that inhabits the Abyss are the demons, chaotic evil beings. There are four kinds of demon: <br />
*the classical, religion-inspired demons of evil and sin the Tanar'ri<br />
* the ancient, Lovecraftian Obyriths<br />
*the recently appeared Loumaras <br />
*and the other demons, which are simply demons that are not specified as belonging to any of the other three categories. <br />
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Each of these categories contains numerous different species of demon. Of the four categories, the Tanar'ri are the most numerous and most influential and the true rulers of the plane.<br />
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The petitioners (souls of the dead who have been sent to the layer for the afterlife) of the Abyss are called manes, and they are the lowest caste of the Tanar'ri. They have pale white skin, sharp teeth and claws, and maggots are reported to crawl through their flesh. Manes that survive for many years may be promoted to greater forms of demon. Extremely clever, lucky ones that survive for millennia may even eventually become Demon Lords. The Demon Lord Orcus is one such demon lord who began as a mane.<br />
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The Demon Lords, also known as demon princes, are extremely powerful demons, mostly of the Tanar'ri category though a few Obyrith lords exist as well, who through sheer power and influence have came to rule over one of the layers of the Abyss. They are near god-like in power, each have unique forms, many have cult-followings upon the material plane, and they command scores of lesser demons. Known demon lords include Orcus, Demogorgon, Graz'zt, Fraz-Urb'luu, Baphomet, Yeenoghu, Juiblex, Malcanthet, Pazuzu, Kostchtchie, Dagon, Pale Night, Obox-ob, Zuggtmoy, Sess'Innek, and numerous others.<br />
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Chaotic evil deities also inhabit the Abyss, including Vaprak, the god of ogres and trolls; Lolth, the demon queen of spiders and drow; and Great Mother, the goddess of beholders. These deities could also be considered demon lords however. The term "Demon Lord" is really more of a title than a category of beings, and deities such as those mentioned meet the criteria for bearing such a title of ruling over one of the Abyss' layers. Many of the formerly mentioned demon lords themselves have god-like traits; they sway the worship of entire races, have cult-followings, and sometimes even have portfolios attributed to them. Therefore they might be gods. The exact distinction between "demon lord" and "deity" is rather unclear.<br />
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===Structure===<br />
Like other outer planes, the Abyss is spatially infinite.<br />
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===Layers===<br />
The Abyss is said to consist of an infinite number of layers, though the total number is also quoted as 666. Layers are numbered based upon order of discovery by various personalities.<br />
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A list of layers named so far in D&D supplements includes:<br />
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#'''Pazunia''' (also known as The Plane of Infinite Portals or The Palace of 1001 Closets) has been described as an infinite plane with only three types of distinct features: The river Styx flowing through it (as it does through the top layers of other evil planes). Large sinkholes which connect to other layers of the Abyss, some were drilled intentionally by ancient demons during the Abyss' original exploration. The largest of these holes is the Grand Abyss. Iron Fortresses which guard the physical bodies of Demon Princes when they leave the Abyss to travel astrally.<br />
#'''Driller's Hives''' realm of Tharzax the Chattering Prince.<br />
#'''The Forgotten Land''' realm of Zzyczesiya the Ungrasped.<br />
#'''The Grand Abyss''' a bottomless, nigh-infinite canyon that contains portals to virtually every other layer in the Abyss.<br />
#'''Wormblood'''<br />
#'''Realm of a Million Eyes''' home to the Great Mother, Princess of Beholders.<br />
#'''Phantom Plane''' realm of the demon lord of the lizard kings, Sess'Innek.<br />
#'''The Skin-shedder''' realm of Volisupula the Flensed Marquesse.<br />
#'''Burningwater'''<br />
#'''"That Hellhole"'''<br />
#'''Molrat'''<br />
#'''Twelvetrees'''<br />
#'''Blood Tor''' realm of the goddesses Beshaba and Umberlee.<br />
#'''The Steaming Fen''' realm of the Queen of Chaos.<br />
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#'''Death's Reward''' realm of Abraxas the Unfathomable.<br />
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#'''The Sixth Pyre''' realm of Kardum, Lord of Balors.<br />
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#'''Iron Wastes''' home to Kostchtchie, demon Prince of frost giants.<br />
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#'''Malignebula''' realm of the Abyssal lord Lissa'aere the Noxious.<br />
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#'''Sholo-Tovoth''' The Fields of Consumption, realm of Turaglas the Ebon Maw.<br />
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#these three layers make up '''Azzagrat''', the realm of the demon prince Graz'zt, the rival of Demogorgon.<br />
#these three layers make up '''Azzagrat''', the realm of the demon prince Graz'zt, the rival of Demogorgon.<br />
#these three layers make up '''Azzagrat''', the realm of the demon prince Graz'zt, the rival of Demogorgon.<br />
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49 - '''Shaddonon''' realm of the demon lord Rhyxali, Princess of Shadow.<br />
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52 - '''Vorganund'''<br />
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57 - Torturous Truth, realm of the Abyssal lord Alvarez the Purging Duke.<br />
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66 - The Demonweb Pits, home of Lolth, queen of spiders and principal deity of evil drow, particularly in Menzoberranzan. In the Third Edition D&D Forgotten Realms cosmology, the Demonweb Pits is a separate plane. In First Edition D&D, Lolth's Demonweb is located on the 65th layer, from there access is possible to the 66th layer, where her realm and spider-ship is located.<br />
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67 - The Heaving Hills (Verrangoin Realm)<br />
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68 - The Swallowed Void<br />
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69 - The Crushing Plain<br />
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70 - The Ice Floe<br />
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71 - Spirac, hunting grounds of the demon lords.<br />
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72 – Darklight, realm of Nocticula the Undeniable.<br />
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73 - The Wells of Darkness, currently serve as the prison of several demon lords such as Shami-Amorae, Ansitif and Ebulon.<br />
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74 - Smargard, home to Merrshaulk the yuan-ti deity and Ramenos the bullywug deity. Also contains The Viper Pit (Sseth's realm; Powers & Pantheons), and the Silent Temple (Planar Handbook).<br />
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77 - The Gates of Heaven, realm of Munkir and Nekir.<br />
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79 - The Emessu Tunnels, realm of Anarazel the Daring Darkness.<br />
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88 - The Gaping Maw (or Brine Flats or Abysm), home to Demogorgon, Prince of Demons, one of the highest-ranking demons in the abyss.<br />
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89 - Shadowsea, oceanic realm of the demon lord Dagon, Prince of the Depths.<br />
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90 - The Guttering Cove, realm of Ilsidahur the Howling King.<br />
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92 - Ulgurshek<br />
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99 - Unnamed contested layer consisting of several distinctive realms (from First edition D&D module Tales of the Outer Planes); one is where demons are spawned, another is a lightning realm, in another can be found portals leading to Juiblex and Kali's layers.<br />
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111 - The Mind of Evil, realm of Sch’theraqpasstt the Serpent Reborn.<br />
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113- Thanatos, the realm of Orcus, demon prince of the Undead. Some sources quote this as layer 333 or 133.<br />
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128 - Slugbed, realm of the Abyssal lord Lupercio the Baron of Sloth.<br />
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137 - Outcasts' End, realm of Azazel, Prince of Scapegoats.<br />
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142 - Lifebane, realm of the god Chemosh from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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148 - Torrent<br />
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176 - Hollow's Heart, realm of the demon lord Fraz-Urb'luu, which, due to his magical illusions, appears to be flat, colorless, and featureless to the human eye.<br />
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177 - The Writhing Realm, realm of Ugudenk the Squirming King.<br />
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181 - The Rotting Plain,[4] realm of the troglodyte god Laogzed.<br />
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193 - Vulgarea,[10] realm of the foxwoman goddess Eshebala.<br />
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222 - Shedaklah (aka The Slime Pits), home to Juiblex demon Prince of Slimes, and Zuggtmoy, Demon Queen of Fungi.<br />
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223 - Offalmound,[8] former realm of the dead god Moander from the Forgotten Realms setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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230 - The Dreaming Gulf, a windy realm home to the dreams of dead gods.<br />
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241 - Palpitatia,[8] realm of the bugbear gods Grankhul and Skiggaret.<br />
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245 - The Scalding Sea<br />
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248 - The Hidden Layer, realm of Eltab.<br />
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274 - Durao (gateway layer), mustering ground for the armies of the Abyss as they prepare for battle in the Blood War.<br />
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297 - The Sighing Clifs,[6] realm of the Abyssal lord Lady Lynkhab.<br />
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300 - Feng-Tu, realm of the Chinese gods Tou Mu and Lu Yueh.<br />
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303 - The Sulfanorum<br />
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313 – Gorrison's Grasp, site of Illssender's Tower<br />
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333 - The Broken Scale,[8] realm of the god Hiddukel from the Dragonlance setting. (2nd edition AD&D)<br />
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340 - The Black Blizzard<br />
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348 - Fortress of Indifference, ruled by Tapheon, the nalfeshnee; former realm of the demon lord Thralhavoc.<br />
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357 - The Arc of Eternity, realm of Eldanoth the Bloodless Scion.<br />
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377 - Plains of Gallenshu<br />
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399 - The Worm Realm,[4] realm of the gnome god Urdlen.<br />
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400 - Woeful Escarand (Nalfeshnee Realm), a court at which newly arrived larvae and sometimes other demons are judged<br />
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403 - The Rainless Waste, site of Mal Arundak, the City of Confusion (Fallen archon realm)<br />
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421 - White Kingdom, ruled by the King of Ghouls, once a vassal to Orcus and Yeenoghu, but is now a free agent.<br />
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422 - The Seeping Woods, ruled by Yeenoghu, Demon Prince of Gnolls. Called "Yeenoghu's Realm" in Fiendish Codex I: Hordes of the Abyss.<br />
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423 - Galun-Khur<br />
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452 - Ahriman-abad, realm of Ahrimanes, Chief of the Cacodaemons.<br />
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471 - Androlynne, realm of Pale Night.<br />
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487 - Lair of the Beast and Mansion of the Rake,[4] realm of the vampire god Kanchelsis.<br />
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489 - Noisome Vale, ruled by the balor Tarnhem.<br />
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493 - The Steeping Isle, realm of Siragle the Ineffable.<br />
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499 – Carroristo<br />
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503 - Torremor,[4] realm of the demon lord Pazuzu.<br />
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507 - Occipitus,[11] former realm of Adimarchus, the demon prince of madness.<br />
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518 - Melantholep possible name of the nesting grounds of the chole dragons, or perhaps an unknown demon prince who rules the layer.<br />
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523 - Rocky desert that houses the Lakes of Fire (see Planescape adventure 'Rapture').[citation needed]<br />
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524 - Shatterstone,[8] realm of the ogre god Vaprak.<br />
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528 - Juiblex's layer in First Edition D&D, an infinite layer of slimes and oozes feeding off each other. Juiblex's palace is said to resemble the biggest pile of garbage in the multiverse.<br />
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531 - Vudra,[12] realm of the giant marilith Shaktari, the Queen of Poison.<br />
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558 - Fleshforges, realm of Dwiergus the Chrysalis Prince.<br />
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566 - Soulfreeze, realm of Aseroth the Winter Warlock.<br />
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570 - Shendilavri, realm of the demon lord Malcanthet, Queen of the Succubi.<br />
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586 - Prison of the Mad God,[4] realm of the derro god Diinkarazan.<br />
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597 - Goranthis, realm of Socothbenoth the Persuader.<br />
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600 - Endless Maze, the realm of Baphomet, demon Prince of Minotaurs. The demoness Pale Night resides here as well.<br />
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601 - Conflagratum,[5] realm of the Abyssal lord Alzrius, Lord of Infernal Light.<br />
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628 - Vallashan, a layer designed to allow temporary victory to conquering armies of good alignment, only to then corrupt the conquerors and turn them against themselves<br />
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643 - Caverns of the Skull,[4] realm of the Black Earth Mother Kali, the goddess of destruction. In First Edition D&D, Kali's layer was #500 and was a jungle of blood-red vegetation bordering a sea of blood.<br />
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651 - Nethuria, realm of Vucarik, Consort of Chains.<br />
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652 - The Rift of Corrosion<br />
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663 - Zionyn, realm of the demon lord Obox-ob, Prince of Vermin.<br />
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Known as "The Smith", Aleskey appears as a young man of imense strength, always wearing his leather apron and carrying his massive hammer. Focused mostly on his work, Aleskey makes amaizing creations from the metals in his forge. Once made, they are kept for a time, until he needs the materal for his latest work. <br />
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=== Dogma ===<br />
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Aleskey calls for the best from all of his followers. Strength of body, mind, and heart are required in equal amounts. The vurtues of honesty, integraty and practacality are extoled. His followers always strive to do what is right, helping those in need, eliminating those who prey upon others. <br />
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=== Clergy and Temples ===<br />
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Only a few Temples of Aleskey are scatters across the lands. Most worshop him in their forges, shops, and homes. In the few places his followers congragate, he is worshoped through communal effort for perfecton.<br />
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Here follows an overview of the gods of Andoria:<br />
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=[[Belial (3.5e Deity)|Belial; God of death]]=<br />
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=[[Chemosh (3.5e Deity)|Chemosh, Goddess of War]]=<br />
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=[[Krilos (3.5e Deity)|Krilos, God of Magic]]=<br />
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=[[Arwan (3.5e Deity)|Arwan, The Hunter]]=<br />
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=[[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai; Goddess of life]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Floating Isles (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Floating Isles]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Aasimar|Aasimar]], [[SRD:Paladin|Paladin]], [[SRD:Cleric|Cleric (good)]], [[SRD:Human|Human]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Good Domain|Good]], [[SRD:Sun Domain|Sun]], [[SRD:Nobility Domain|Nobility]], [[SRD:Glory Domain|Glory]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Longsword|Longsword]]<br />
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=[[Pax (3.5e Deity)|Pax; God of entertainment]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Windy Isles (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Windy Isles]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Elf|Elves]], [[SRD:Rogue|Rogues]], [[SRD:Bard|Bards]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Charm Domain|Charm]], [[SRD:Travel Domain|Travel]], [[SRD:Creation Domain|Creation]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Longbow|Longbow]]<br />
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=[[Satine (3.5e Deity)|Satine; Goddess of the sea]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Great Ocean (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Great Ocean]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Merfolk|Merfolk]], Sailors, Gamblers, Psions<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Water Domain|Water]], [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Trickery Domain|Trickery]], [[SRD:Luck Domain|Luck]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Trident|Trident]]<br />
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=[[Tiamat (3.5e Deity)|Tiamat; Goddess of nature]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Green Hell (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Green Hell]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Lizardfolk|Lizardfolk]], [[SRD:Druid|Druid]], [[SRD:Ranger|Ranger]], [[SRD:Barbarian|Barbarian]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Plant Domain|Plant]], [[SRD:Scalykind Domain|Scalykind]], [[SRD:Weather Domain|Weather]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: Natural weapons<br />
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<div>{{Wikify|Should be made into a pantheon.}}<br />
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Here follows an overview of the gods of Andoria:<br />
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{{:Belial (3.5e Deity)}}<br />
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{{:Chemosh (3.5e Deity)}}<br />
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{{:Krilos (3.5e Deity)}}<br />
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{{:Arwan (3.5e Deity)}}<br />
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=[[Adonai (3.5e Deity)|Adonai; Goddess of life]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Floating Isles (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Floating Isles]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Aasimar|Aasimar]], [[SRD:Paladin|Paladin]], [[SRD:Cleric|Cleric (good)]], [[SRD:Human|Human]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Good Domain|Good]], [[SRD:Sun Domain|Sun]], [[SRD:Nobility Domain|Nobility]], [[SRD:Glory Domain|Glory]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Longsword|Longsword]]<br />
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=[[Pax (3.5e Deity)|Pax; God of entertainment]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Windy Isles (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Windy Isles]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Elf|Elves]], [[SRD:Rogue|Rogues]], [[SRD:Bard|Bards]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Charm Domain|Charm]], [[SRD:Travel Domain|Travel]], [[SRD:Creation Domain|Creation]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Longbow|Longbow]]<br />
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=[[Satine (3.5e Deity)|Satine; Goddess of the sea]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Great Ocean (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Great Ocean]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Merfolk|Merfolk]], Sailors, Gamblers, Psions<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Water Domain|Water]], [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Trickery Domain|Trickery]], [[SRD:Luck Domain|Luck]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: [[SRD:Trident|Trident]]<br />
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=[[Tiamat (3.5e Deity)|Tiamat; Goddess of nature]]=<br />
:Home plane:[[The Green Hell (The Test of Time Supplement)|The Green Hell]]<br />
:Followers: [[SRD:Lizardfolk|Lizardfolk]], [[SRD:Druid|Druid]], [[SRD:Ranger|Ranger]], [[SRD:Barbarian|Barbarian]]<br />
:Domains: [[SRD:Chaos Domain|Chaos]], [[SRD:Plant Domain|Plant]], [[SRD:Scalykind Domain|Scalykind]], [[SRD:Weather Domain|Weather]]<br />
:Favorite weapon: Natural weapons<br />
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=Carallena=<br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=A crown with three spires<br />
|plane=The High Plane of Nassari<br />
|align=True Neutral<br />
|port=The Gods<br />
|calign=Any<br />
|dom=[[SRD:Nobility_Domain|Nobility]], [[SRD:Protection_Domain|Protection]], [[SRD:Liberation_Domain|Liberation]], [[SRD:Healing_Domain|Healing]], [[SRD:Knowledge_Domain|Knowledge]]<br />
|favweap=[[SRD:Quarterstaff|Quarterstaff]]<br />
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Carallena is the Queen of the Gods of Taras. She is known for her fair judgement and unbias opinions. She watches over all her subjects without question, regardless of alignment and she cares for all creation as though her own child.<br />
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Carallena appears as a young woman with perfect complexion, wearing a shining dress of many jewels and gems. Her hair is silver and long. She wears the legendary Crown of the Three Spires, a glistening silver diadem with three spires upon it's front. The leftmost is studded with white gems, the middle is studded with grey gems and the rightmost studded with black gems.<br />
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===Dogma===<br />
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Carallena does not seek worshippers, for her powers are gained not through mortal worship, but the powers of the deities beneath her. All she asks is that people are true to themselves and that they do not attempt to harm creation as a whole. Carallena encourages the idea of free-will in all her subjects and encourages non-interferences on most levels from the deities beneath her.<br />
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===Clergy and Temples===<br />
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Carallena has no clergy, therefore no temple. However, most temples have specific altars to Carallena within, to pay respect to the Queen of the Gods.<br />
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===Queen of the Gods===<br />
As the Queen of the Gods, Carallena has duties of reigning over the deities beneath her. She looks over them with scrutiny, passing judgement over those that attempt to do wrong by her. <br />
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Every year, a summit is called within Kaslar, the grandest palace upon Nessari, where Carallena resides over all the deities and various issues are discussed regarding the activites of the deities. This summit lasts for a week, wherein the gods cannot leave Nassari and are only allowed to grant spells to their followers. <br />
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{{Deity<br />
|hdligo=o<br />
|sym=An aqua heart upon a sky blue shield<br />
|plane=Olympus<br />
|align=Neutral Good<br />
|port=Uranus is god of Heaven and the Sky. He was ruler of the universe until his disintegration. Now resurrected, Uranus rules the surviving primordial gods and is advisor to Zeus.<br />
|calign=Neutral Good<br />
|dom= Air, Good, Healing, Light<br />
|favweap=A light spiked mace<br />
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In the beginning, there were the primordial gods. Uranus was their king and Gaia was their queen. Uranus and Gaia mated frequently and had many children. The oldest were powerful deities known as Titans. With the exception of Atlas, the Titans were evil. The younger ones were divine beings such as Angels, Archons and Cherubs. The youngest were magical creatures such as Fey and Metallic Dragons. Uranus did not trust the Titans, but he naively cared for them anyway. Gaia, also naive, loved them and gave them gifts. Chronos, the eldest Titan, was given a flint blade. In the night, he used that blade to butcher Uranus and take over the Cosmos. Gaia and all the other primordial gods fled to a mountain and hid while Chronos began a reign of terror. Fortunately, hope was on the way. From the heart of Uranus, which was cast into the sea, rose a new breed of god, the Olympian. The first was Aphrodite, who tended to the hidden primordials. Then, the grandchildren of the Titans turned out ot be Olympians. The Olympians were led by Zeus, who overthrew the Titans. Later, with help from Gaia and Hades, Uranus was re-assembled and placed on the right hand of Zeus as chief advisor.<br />
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Uranus's followers believe in a dogma of good works and love. This doctrine of hope is really popular among the young ones seeking religion. Anyone of any background has good and evil inherent in him and Uranus believes that his followers must help people's good overpower their evil.<br />
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Uranus has many clean and orderly temples, usually near hospitals. Most hospitals in the Northern Empire are dedicated to him.The clergy of Uranus vary and can include anyone, but most are female and are usually Elves, Fey, Eladrins and reformed Tieflings. All of them carry the spiked orb mace, his favorite weapon. They all wear robes and gowns, which are blue, green, white and aqua, for these are the colors of the sky. Most of his clerics are inerrant rather than temple-based.<br />
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<div>Adventurers often stop at a local Tavern to find out what is going on in town, get some work, or to simply kick back and relax. Having a good name and theme is the hallmark of a great atmosphere. Below are some ideas for the names of Taverns your players may visit, with some of the more favored names written in '''bold''' text.<br />
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==Alphabetical List==<br />
#The Bard's Tale Tavern<br />
#The Bard's Trousers<br />
#'''The Black Barnacle'''<br />
#The Black Flagon<br />
#The Bloody Body <br />
#The Bloody Tooth and Broken Bone Tavern<br />
#The Bottomless Cauldron<br />
#The Braze'n'Bold<br />
#'''The Bucket of Blood'''<br />
#The Butterhouse Tavern<br />
#The Cellar-Keg<br />
#The Clay Platters<br />
#'''The Cob Web'''<br />
#The Cockatryce Egg<br />
#The Come on Inn<br />
#The Cracked Hoof<br />
#The Dead Prince Tavern<br />
#The Dirty Sack Flophouse<br />
#The Dock Master's Tavern<br />
#The Dragon's Slither<br />
#Dragonwink's Pub<br />
#'''The Drunken Sailor'''<br />
#The Drunk Duck<br />
#Every Man's Wish Tavern<br />
#The Fearless Flumph<br />
#The Fireside Newt<br />
#The First and Last Tavern<br />
#The Flaming Wand<br />
#The Flask and Sword<br />
#The Flying Flute Tavern<br />
#The Footsore Wanderer<br />
#The Fresh Flask<br />
#The Fried Fingers Inn<br />
#The Galleon-Hole<br />
#The Gory Club Tavern<br />
#'''The Gypsy's Gaze'''<br />
#The Hag's Pot Inn<br />
#The Happy Pedlar<br />
#The Harpey's Kettle<br />
#The Hearth and Road Inn<br />
#Hearty Wines and Aged Soups Inn<br />
#The Hare's Hair<br />
#House of Pots<br />
#The Inn and Out Inn<br />
#Inn Harm's Way<br />
#Inn to Deep<br />
#Insatiable Badger<br />
#The Jasper Otter<br />
#The King's Hall<br />
#The Last Forgotten Wish Tavern<br />
#The Last Stop<br />
#The Merchant's Last Coin<br />
#The Minstrel's Dance<br />
#The Moldy Eye<br />
#The Nymph's Node<br />
#The Ogre-Door Tabernacle<br />
#The Once-Proud Goose<br />
#The Open Cauldron<br />
#Oztrmo's Den<br />
#The Patched Paw<br />
#'''The Patched Robe'''<br />
#The Peasant's Flask<br />
#The Pewter Mug<br />
#The Phoenix's Beak<br />
#The Pocked Pocket Inn<br />
#The Poisoned Meat<br />
#The Poor Merchant's Inn<br />
#The Port Crevice<br />
#The Queen's Robes<br />
#The Rather Blustery Day<br />
#The Rat's Daggers<br />
#The Red Homununch<br />
#The Reveling Wench<br />
#The Rich Peasant Inn and Tavern<br />
#The Riverman's Nestledown<br />
#The Rock Bunk Tavern<br />
#'''The Rotten Bolas'''<br />
#The Running King<br />
#The Rusty Cog Inn<br />
#The Salt Merchant Inn<br />
#The Salty Tusk<br />
#Scorfil's Ale & Fryes<br />
#The Scrolls of Welcoming<br />
#The Servant's Last Dance<br />
#The Shattered Cup Hall<br />
#'''The Shitkicker'''<br />
#The Silver Sword Inn<br />
#Sleemy's Second Home<br />
#The Slurred Speech Tavern<br />
#The Spider's Fang<br />
#The Spider's Nest<br />
#The Steward's Hatch<br />
#The Stowaway Inn<br />
#The Swaggering Magus<br />
#The Swordhole<br />
#'''[[The Tall Tales Tavern (Valgora Supplement)|The Tall Tales Tavern]]'''<br />
#The Tanger Serpent Tavern<br />
#The Tangled Vine Tavern<br />
#The Traveler's Notch<br />
#The Unfilled Mug<br />
#The Unkempt Virgin<br />
#The Vomit Repository<br />
#The Watering Hole<br />
#Wayfinder's Rest<br />
#The Yawning Rabbit<br />
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