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==Help (Creature Creation)==<br />
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Hey, I made my creature as best as I can using the template you showed me. For some reason it was not giving me the code usage for the special qualities and such on the basic page so I went and found a page that was using it. From there things seemed to work out. It now has its own page in the Creatures section... not completely sure as to which section since I just pressed add new creature. Anyway, I figured you would like to know how far I have made it, and that if nothing else you will know where to find it. Also, since you mentioned you might chime in and give suggestions and such when you get to look at it. [[Dimidium_Troll_(3.5e_Creature)|Dimidium Troll]] Also, it seems that I have figured out how to link into pages as well. You are a good teacher, thanks for the instruction! --[[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 22:56, 4 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Question (Dealing with Spam)==<br />
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I have left a similar message on Green Dragons Talk page but I figure I should be thorough with this. It seems there are a few Users that are posting spam and doing a redirect for their User page to the mentioned Spam. One instance is this link [[Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review |here]]. I don't know the procedure for deleting spam so I am asking you and the owner. I was just wondering if I should just mention it and leave be or if I should delete the contents of the page since I don't know how I would delete the page itself. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:57, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Well, the long and the short of it is you shouldn't probably bother to do anything. Only Admins can totally delete a page. Likewise, only admins can ban a user. Whenever I come across spam, I blank the page, and then add a delete template. After that, I save changes with something like "Delete this spam" in the edit summary. Usually Jazzman is pretty good about catching these and deleting them for real. I don't know the official site policy on users handling spam, but no one has asked me to stop, so I still do it. One thing, however, is to make sure that the page never had any content on it. We don't want to delete a page that once had content, just because it now has spam. Like I said, us users can't do much in the way of permanent change (that's the admin's job), so if you want to turn a blind eye, no one will blame you. However, if you delete a bunch, someone might give you a nifty little barnstar like I have at the top of this page. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:02, 9 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Help (Creating an Animal) ==<br />
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So... you mentioned something about tables and things like that? i did find what each thing means ( [[Template:d20M_Creature|d20M Creature]] ) but what i need is the stuff it lists in the examples please. -[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 11:06, 24 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Well, [[d20_Modern_Creatures|here]] is a link to every homebrew d20M creature. One of them is bound to have examples of what you need. Jazzman left a comment on one of your messages with some suggestions of how he would do it. You might want to check that out. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:17, 24 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Might [[Creature Types (MSRD)#Animal|this]] be what you are looking for? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:22, 24 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::It's exacly what I needed. Thanks for the help! --[[User:Ozzy1234567890|Ozzy1234567890]] 10:53, 25 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Help (4e Community) ==<br />
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Hey Badger,<br />
Do you know anyone who's really good at making D&D 4e stuff, but is also good at changing 4e stuff (you know, like, changing monsters from the monster manual)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:11, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Well, I'll be honest, I don't know how active they are anymore, but [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] has done quite a bit of 4e work (and is an admin here, so he might still be active-ish). For some reason I want to say [[User:Sam_Kay|Sam Kay]] also knows 4e a bit, but I don't think he's active on this wiki much anymore (again, I could be wrong on both points). Those are the two names that spring to mind, but I want to be clear that I don't know how much (if any) help then can/will be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for trying to help. But the reason was actually to help me with my Pumped Up [[Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]. But I'm deleting it now. Sorry for bothering you. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:30, 16 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::No problem, I'm here to help. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:54, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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==Help (Sandboxes)==<br />
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Hey badger it is Dj00345. I wanted to ask you if there is a way to create ur own sandbox? I wanted to create one myself and don't know how to?... Can u help me out and explain how to make one??<br />
[[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]].<br />
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:It's really easy, just add a /sandbox after your username, for example [[User:Dj00345/sandbox]]. You can put anything on the page, so sandbox, or sandbox1, or ninja_of_the_winterlands, or whatever you want. If you go to that page you'll be prompted to make a new page with that name. It's easy. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:31, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Help (Pictures)==<br />
hey badger. it is me Dj00345. i just added a image to one of my pages. and the picture is too big. how do i make it small enough to fit on the page??? can you help me at all??? the page is called [[Zendra (3.5e Deity)|Zendra]]. please help me..... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:42, 3 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I went ahead and changed the size. Check out the code and you can learn for next time. You can change the text by editing the code. You can change the size of the picture by increasing or decreasing the pixels. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:53, 3 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thx. Got it now! ;) [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 10:14, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Help (Stubs)==<br />
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Hey one more question.... If I want to help finish a STUB page, do I just go ahead and edit it, or do I have to wait for someone to give me an answer??? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 10:14, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I usually check to see when the stub template was added, how long the page has gone un-edited, and if the original author is still around. If it looks like no one else is going to do it, just jump right in. On pages that are a little more complete, and just missing little things here and there, it might be better to leave a message on the talk pages with your suggested changes, and give the community a week or so to talk about it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:10, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::And if I finish what the stub template says needs to be fixed,, do i remove the template??? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 17:53, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I assume you're asking about Dhampir, which just needs another adventurer? Yeah, that you can just add whenever you think of one, and remove the stub template when you do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:05, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Alrighty then. Thx again. And yes I am asking about dhampir [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 18:33, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I ended up removing [[Template:Stub]] from the [[Dhampir (4e Race)|dampir]]. See the history for what the edit was. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:39, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Question (User Creation Log) ==<br />
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hey badger. i was just looking around on the Wiki and ended up in the User Creation log. where it shows every account that has been created. i went down to the date i helped my friend get an account on this wiki and saw it. then i went to December dates to see if my account was there. (i was bored and wanted to see). Apparently, my account i guess doesn't exist... i didnt see my account name anywhere in there... '''Is That A Good Thing or A Bad Thing.???????''' Please answer..... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:15, 11 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Huh, that's interesting. Well, do you recall creating an account? It does appear that you never made one, but you are certainly logged in and making edits. To make an account you need to log in. If you log in and make edits, you should have an account. I don't know what's going on, I'd ask Green Dragon if you're concerned. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:36, 11 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Well see. I made an account. I guess it didn't recognize it. I didn't get the message that green dragon sends to you saying that you are now a dnd wikian. I never got that message... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 09:54, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::That's not an automated message, GD goes through and does those manually, so it's possible he just missed you. If you have an options menu at the top right corner of the screen that says "Dj00345, my talk, my preferences, my watchlist, my contributions, logout" you're probably a member and the site is just a little hinky. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:40, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Yeah I have all those. So it must be some sort of glitch maybe...? [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 12:43, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::Yeah, as far as I can tell you're a full-blooded wikian, and the wiki is just screwing up. If you're concerned you can leave a message on Green Dragon's talk page, either asking him there, or directing him to this conversation. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:46, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::I'm not really concerned. i was just making sure that the wiki wasn't screwed up or anything. i was just keeping an eye out. thx for the help badger! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 14:57, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Oh, the wiki screws up all the time. This isn't anything major, so I wouldn't worry about it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:46, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Question (Multi-classing) ==<br />
Alright, so I think I'm doing this right. And I suppose this will be the first question I will ask, is it possible to go back to a class that specifically says you can't after multiclassing? Even if the class you multiclass with says you can? (Sorry if you don't understand or if this seems stupid.)--[[User:Raem|Raem]] 17:35, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:First, yeah, you did everything correctly. Now, let me try to understand your question. I think if the 2nd class explicitly says "you can multi-class, even if your first class says you cannot" then you ''can''. However, if the 2nd class ''doesn't'' say that, you're out of luck. That said, it's really up to your DM. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:42, 12 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Help (Campaign Creation) ==<br />
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Hey badger! Dj00345. I have a question. I'm thinking of making my own campaign setting and was just wondering where to go in order to create the "Supplement" pages for it??? I took a look at the "Valgora" campaign setting and it's edit stuff. And noticed that the links said '''Valgora supplement'''. Where do I go to make one of those pages except under a different campaign setting of course... [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:57, 5 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Oh, well, as far as I know there is no official formatting for creating campaign settings. This little box might make it easier to add to a campaign setting, just replace "MyPage" with the name of your page, and "MySetting" with the name of your setting:<br />
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:If you'd like, I'm sure someone can help you making a footer/header for your campaign setting and using it as a preload. My guess is Hooper would be the guy to ask about that, as I think Valgora is his setting, and you seem to like that one. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:30, 5 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Help (Class Creation)==<br />
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Hello it was recomended to me that you might be able to help me with a concept. You see me and my friends are planning to start a DnD 3.5 OP campaign (so crazy templates etc...) But im new to dnd so I have no idea how to make the class/template/race I wanted. the concept I came up with was a ''Prototype'' character based off of the game prototype for the xbox 360. Im not quite sure weither it would be a class a template or a race. So I was wondering if you could help me make it? (or make it for me)? -- [[User:Grunt|Grunt]] 17:03, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, let me begin by saying I've never played Prototype, so I probably can't help you with much. However, here's how I'd recommend you try it. <br />
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:If you want to use existing classes, here's what I'd suggest: I don't know if you're familiar with [[UA:Gestalt_Characters|gestalt characters]], but that's what I'd recommend. Basically, you combine the best parts of two classes into one super-class. I'd recommend something like a [[Psion]] with an emphasis in psychometabolism, or maybe psychokinesis. From there, I'd make your other class something that would work well with the abilities of your psion, so maybe rogue. I like rogues a lot, so maybe I'm just biased. It sounds like a barbarian might also work well. Since you're going for overpowered, I think a gestalt [[Psion]]/[[Barbarian,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome Barbarian]] would best approximate what you're looking for.<br />
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:However, if you're looking to create your own homemade material, here's what I'd suggest: Start with a beefy Hit Die, like a d10, give yourself medium or good Base attack bonus(like the rogue or fighter), good fortitude and reflex saves (+12 at 20) and bad will saves (+6 at 20). After that, I'd give yourself a limited spell list, pulling your favorite spells from psionics, and use Constitution instead of Intelligence for the key ability. After that, add on a bunch of heavy hitting power class skills, using classes like [[Threat_(3.5e_Class)|Threat]], [[Barbarian,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome Barbarian]], and maybe even [[Death_Knight_(DnD_Prestige_Class)|Death Knight]] for ideas.<br />
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:I hope this helps. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:03, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Hey Badger ==<br />
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Hey, Badger.<br />
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:Hi. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:42, 15 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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yo what up badger think i could get u to take a look at the mage of earthsea class again?? give me a few more pointers?<br />
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== Help (Campaign Settings) ==<br />
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You asked if I wanted help, I do.<br />
I go straigh to the point.<br />
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I would want to make an own:<br />
#make a page with the info about classes "and the world" and "how to make a class character".<br />
#Then put a link to it in the Classes.<br />
#make links that change pages adn scrolls down to an article. <br />
#learn to make footers<br />
#page for my classes that are adapted for my campaign setting.<br />
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::I've numbered each of the questions you have, and I'll answer them in order. Let me know if you need more detail on any of them<br />
::1. If you want to make a page about classes for your Campaign Setting, just make a standard page for your Campaign setting. If you want, you can use the "Add New Campaign Setting Info" thing that I made [[User_talk:Badger#Help_.28Campaign_Creation.29|here]]. As far as I know there is no codified pre-load for this, so you can just model it off a page that you like, or do it on your own. <br />
::2. Putting a link to it is just like adding any other link. You simply type this code: <nowiki> [[Name_Of_Page | Display Text]]</nowiki>.<br />
::For example, you would probably make the pages named "Classes_(MyCampaign_Supplement)", so your code would say: <nowiki>[[Classes_(MyCampaign_Supplement) | Classes in MyCampaign]]</nowiki>. Naturally, you'll want to replace "MyCampaign" with whatever the name of your campaign is. <br />
::3. Making links that link to a specific section is also pretty easy. You use the same format that you used above for creating a link, and to link to a particular section, you put a #SectionName after the name of the page. For example, if you wanted to make a link to this section, you would write " <nowiki>[[User_Talk:Badger#Help_(Campaign Settings) | Display Text]]</nowiki>.<br />
::4. Making footers is as easy as making a page. First you make a page and put on it whatever you want the footer to say. Name the page something like "Navigation Footer (MyCampaign Supplement)". After that, you just have to include that page at the bottom of every page you want a footer. Only, this time, instead of using brackets like you normally use for a link (These: "[[]]"), use braces (These: "{{}}")<br />
::5. Again, just make a page that's name ends with (MyCampaign Supplement), and put a list of classes and changes. You may find it is easier to make full on tables to show changes, or just text lists of changes. It's up to you.<br />
::One last note, as helpful as I may be with this, [[User:Hooper]] is probably better. He is the one who rates most of the campaign settings, and he is the one who has one of the most complete campaign settings on this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== For Identification Purposes? ==<br />
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Ok now i'm curious why you moved my page... made it loads of fun to try and find it through my simple input of the address it was sitting at without the variant 3.5 mumbo jumbo.<br />
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I'm just curious why you did it, I understand that there WAS a Dragoon class that was made and deleted for whatever reason... That's why i made it a Dragoon Lancer, there was someone who made a Dragoon that i thought was totally whacked out on ADnD and well I felt it needed a do-over, pouring through the books i found a nice combination that is actually based on pre-existing 3.0 and 3.5 edition material, short of some attack/ Wings purposes it is all based on the rules. I think it works marvelously and when i find the actual balance i would really hope people start picking it up. It was one of my favorite classes in FF Tactics, short of the huge error in missing people because they moved while you were in the air (Huge disappointment there) but getting back on track. I would appreciate a simple explanation, and well some feedback would be nice since you seem to have been the ONLY person on here who has done anything of note to my Dragoon Lancer.<br />
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:Badger didn't mean any offense. All homebrew pages are (supposed to be) appended with an identifying tag such as (3.5e Creature) or (d20M Advanced Class). [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:14, 7 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Yep, Jazzman summed it up. Sorry for any confusion it may have caused. There should have been a redirect from the old URL to the updated one, I don't know why that wasn't working (but it appears to be working now). I've not actually read the page, but since my vacation has just begun I'll get around to it (sooner or later) and leave some thoughts on the talk page. Once again, sorry for any confusion or trouble this may have caused; I was just following policy.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:24, 7 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::: Well i was really just curious as to the why... since it really didn't seem to have been a part of any of the other classes that i looked at. I have been going through and trying to reflect any changes i've come across and would really like some insight anyone has. [[User:Gainesja|Gainesja]] 04:34, 12 June 2011 (EST)<br />
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::::People are really, really, really, bad about adding those tags, so I'm sure there are many pages floating around that don't have them yet. Though more pages have them than not, so if you haven't seen any yet you must just be really lucky. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 07:40, 12 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I think on that day alone I moved like 3 or 4 other classes and deities. It's just something I do every so often, when I notice a few pages in the recent changes need it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 10:27, 12 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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==Admin Nomination==<br />
I hope that you accept the recent nomination for adminship that has been activated for you. Please go to [[Requests for Adminship/Badger]] to reply to the nominee questions. I look forward to seeing the community's thoughts! &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:10, 19 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Thank you for your nomination, as well as your support. I accept the nomination, and I look forward to continuing to contribute to the community, either as a administrator, or as a user. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:09, 19 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Welcome to Adminship. You are now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. I recommend you take a look at [[Special:ListGroupRights]] if you have not already. Some of the the new features' uses pertaining to D&D Wiki follow. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.<br />
::*Deleting pages is normally done through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". If this page consisted of close to just the preload, just delete it.<br />
::*Protecting pages has quite a few different times when it should be used. Pages should be protected according to the author's wishes (with [[Template:Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of conflict (with [[Template:Temp Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of [[Help:FAQ#What are OGL, OGC, SRD, and GNU FPL?|OGC]] published materials (with [[Template:OGL Top]] added to the top of the page in question and [[Template:OGL Bottom]] added to the bottom), or finally if the page is a vital part of D&D Wiki's organization. If it deals with D&D Wiki's organization it either needs to be be protected from IP edits or all non-sysop edits. As a rule of thumb pages up to two tiers deep (up for discussion/rethinking) from the [[Main Page]] are normally locked to anyone but sysops and all the others are just protected from IP edits. For Example [[3.5e Homebrew]] is protected from all non-sysop edits whereas a deeper in page like [[LA 0 Races]] is only protected from IP edits. No template needs to be added to pages if they are part of D&D Wiki's organization (even though some do exist like [[Template:Admin Locked Page]])<br />
::*Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]], the diff in question, the userpage, etc) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. Certain things demand a longer block and others a shorter. No standards have been set for block lengths, use your best judgment.<br />
::*Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] and the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. Feel free to edit them if inaccuracies are found. If interested further please look at the [[SRD Talk:System Reference Document#SRD ToDo List|SRD ToDO List]] or the [[MSRD Talk:Modern System Reference Document#Tasks|MSRD tasks]]. Of course that is only the base. There is never enough help to get everything done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.<br />
::*Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes reviewing the content with templates, answering questions, etc).<br />
::I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on yourself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:58, 26 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Modifiers Added, But for future refrence, ==<br />
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what are the modifiers to use? Class, Prestige Class, NPC, Monster, Equipment, Campaign, Quest, Deity, Trait, Flaw, Feat, Spell, Race are the ones i can think of, am i missing any? Also, Is there a way i can set a page to only accept changes that I approve?<br />
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:I've corrected the spelling of the modifiers above (and added a few more). Those are all the ones I can think of off the top of my head (and all the major ones), but I am sure there are more obscure ones. As for your second question, no there is not. However, you can use the "watch" tab, at the top of each page, and any changes that are made to that page will show up in the "my watchlist" page linked in the top right corner of the page (when you're logged in). You can click on "diff" to see the changes made in each edit. This is about as close as you can get to what you want. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:26, 14 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Hi I was interested in joining the D&D WIKI but it seams your create account is broken ==<br />
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Hi, I was trying to find the webmaster but didn't see a link to leave a message for one. Maybe you can forward this on to her/him/them.<br />
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Anyway, I went to create an account and tried to make an account but it seams to be broken. A box keeps popping up saying type two words to in to prevent span but the silly thing just keeps cycling and won't go away to let you create the account. I tried at least a dozen times to get past it but always comes back. Very frustrating!<br />
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And now the fool thing shows up trying to post this message.<br />
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:Does it mention it is related to CloudFlare ([[D&D Wiki:General disclaimer]])? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:05, 30 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::If you can give me the exact error message you're getting, that would help immensely. What name are you trying to register? Is it possible that someone has already registered that name? Green Dragon, who responded above me, is the owner/operator of the website, so he's probably your best bet for a fix. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:37, 31 July 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Thank You ==<br />
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I wished to thank you for your recent remarks on my page. And to acknowledge your intrinsic and direct approach.<br />
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:Any time? But seriously, I have no idea who you are or what page you're talking about (I've been a whirlwind of edits these past few days), but you're welcome. Let me know if there's anything else you need. In the future, don't forget to sign your posts with <nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki> or by pressing the signature button. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:51, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Your deletion of a page was most appreciated.<br />
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:::Oh, well, glad I could help. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:19, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Could you extend your gracious policy upon a few of my other incomplete works?<br />
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:::::Policy says that we're supposed to wait at least 2 weeks before deleting anything. If I've deleted anything sooner than that, I apologize. Most of our to-be-deleted content is months, if not years old, though (so you should have plenty of time). If your content has a delete template, I'll check on the history, and if it looks like you're making progress on it, I'll give it time. If you give me the links you want me to keep an eye out for, I'll get around to checking on them later. Also, if I delete anything that you'd like back, I think can restore it easily (I've never tried, but I know I should be able to). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:29, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I understand. I would like 75% of all my work deleted (noting most is incomplete, and I have no wish to complete 75%). I have only a few articles here; and have a desire to complete the 25%. The other work only hurts my prestige.<br />
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:::::::Right, well, place the code <nowiki>{{delete|~~~~~|Author has abandoned.}}</nowiki> to the top of every incomplete page you don't want to keep, and I'll delete them as I get around to them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:45, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::It is finished.<br />
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:::::::::Is there a reason that you're signing out and not signing your comments when leaving a message to me, but logging in to edit your pages? You're not trying to hide your identity, are you? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:00, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::No. I simply wanted to make sure you were interested before damming the pages. --[[User:Frankenkesey|Frankenkesey]] 20:12, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Well, it's not policy to delete pages just because the author doesn't want them anymore. Arguably you should be using the "abandoned" template instead, but I've never seen anyone adopt one of those pages and fix it up, so I don't know that it's a very useful template (although it's a good idea). It's my personal belief that we should just delete unfinished and unusable material, rather than letting it stick around as abandoned for years. If your pages don't have enough content for someone else to take and finish up, I'll delete them. However, if they have enough already, I'll swap out delete with abandoned. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:12, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::This maxim sounds fair. --[[User:Frankenkesey|Frankenkesey]] 20:15, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Master of the twin paths ==<br />
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Just created the "Master of the twin paths" for 3.5e custom prestige classes. It was moved to "formatting issues" soon after.<br />
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My question is simple, is now officially removed or is it waiting to be checked? If it is removed, how may I improve it to have it added to the homebrew category it fits.<br />
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Also how do I format it correctly?<br />
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with many thanks,<br />
Ryulin18<br />
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You're doing a great job<br />
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:Right, well, good news! Master of the twin paths hasn't been removed, it was just moved (for a totally unrelated reason). You can find you creation [[Master_of_the_Twin_Paths_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|here]]. <br />
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:First off, your page was moved to include an "identifer", which means I added "_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)" to the end of your class name. We use these to keep all our content straight, and every page is supposed to have one.<br />
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:If you check out other Prestige classes, like [[Animal_Lord_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|this one]], you'll notice the bottom has a sort of footer that works as navigation, as well as some categories. You'll want to add those to your page (not those exact ones, but the ones that apply to your class). I'd search through other [[3.5e_Prestige_Classes|prestige classes]] until you find one that seems like yours, and check out what categories you'll want to include. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:18, 24 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Tavern ==<br />
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If it existed, you should get on it right now. But it doesn't so... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 13:37, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Master of the twin paths - Part 2 ==<br />
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Okay. I have added breadcrumbs and the categories! Is it okay now?<br />
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Any advice to get it finished?<br />
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much thanks, Ryulin<br />
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:Alright, well, the cats and breadcrumbs look a lot better now. The next thing I'd say is fluff. Everything always needs more fluff. Well, almost everything. Check out a featured article like [[Deviant_(3.5e_Class)|this one]] for notes on making your page better. If you're committed enough, you can turn your page into a featured article. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:53, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Apologies ==<br />
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Hi Badger,<br />
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I realized that I took my trolling too far yesterday. Seriously, I'm not a jerk like that usually. I have just been using this website as out outlet, so to speak, which is pretty immature. Anyways, I've decided to quit my trolling here altogether and also to stop harboring resentment for Green Dragon and Hooper.<br />
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In the case of Green Dragon, I realized that teasing him may have been fun, it really was a childish way to burn off steam over real life issues.<br />
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In the case of Hooper, I realized that he's just like a lot of other D&D players I've met and gotten along with: he's got a strong personality and reflects that with strong opinions. And really, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. Unfortunately, I let situations where I saw him butt horns with other users sway me to dislike him.<br />
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I was logged into a chatroom that both of you were in last night (although I was afk), and although most of your conversation was cut off, I realized that I was being pretty stupid and you are decent guys.<br />
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So, my apologies to you (and Hooper), for the nonsense I stirred up. Cheers. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:15, 31 August 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:GNU_Free_Documentation_License_1.3&diff=533165Talk:GNU Free Documentation License 1.32011-08-31T03:07:10Z<p>Aarnott: Whoops. Formatting</p>
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==Notes==<br />
This is the GNU Free Documentation License. The license requires the posting of this license.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 10:57, 14 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Updating and Understanding D&D Wiki's License == <br />
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As this debate has spilled across numerous other pages, that are not necessarily meant for it - I've decided to try to keep all talks on one page. First, to assist everyone in understanding the license we currently have, I am providing a direct quote, which is about Wikipedia (a project we model our licensing and policies after), and it is in regards to when a poster contributes original material (which is what most of our stuff is):<br />
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'''"...you own the copyright to the material, for instance because you produced it yourself..."''', begins the section - then it breaks away for a moment for other possible contributors (which are not related to our userbase - though it fits our OGL stuff - which is already properly acknowledged) and continues '''"In the first case, you retain copyright to your materials. You can later republish and relicense them in any way you like."'''<br />
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Now, most of our user base understands this. But let me put it simply: the legal authorities state that if you created the homebrew content, when you license it here you still retain full rights, and may re-license it any way you wish. However, do be aware that '''"...you can never retract licensing for the versions you placed here."''' This is why, after the former site split - content the authors created was allowed to be moved, but not deleted from here. It was legally appropriate for both forks. Anyways, with that in mind hopefully we can all move past the "other sites are breaking the law/license" fallacy.<br />
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Now, I propose that we update our license, as is legally allowed, to GNU's most up to date license release - with an understanding that we will continually update it should GNU create a newer license. The guys behind these licenses are experts in their field, more so than any of us - and if they release a new one, we should take heed. Especially since they keep wikis in mind when creating them. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 08:53, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:'''Support''' I agree with Hooper's suggestion, not only because this would solve far more problems than it would create, but also because of the later point made: GNU FDL, no matter which version, is understood by it's creators far better than any other individual or entity. If they seek to update/improve/upgrade the license, then we would do well to consider doing so, as well, because let's face it: If the creator's of the license can improve on it, then we can benefit from the newer, improved license, instead of the older, obsolete and apparently flawed license. That's just simple rational procedure.<br />
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:The benefit of doing so is simply made more visible by recent issues and discussions, of which, this upgrade will also alleviate. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]]10:16, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::'''Support''' I support the notion of updating our license. However, more to the point, if we're smart about it, we'll only have to update it once, but always have the best protection. GNU FDL allows you to license your content under v1.2 ''or most recent version''. If we were to have added that line, we'd currently be licensed under 1.3, and we'd up upgraded to 2.0 when that releases. I support licensing us under ''GNU FDL v1.3 or most recent'', because the upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 was designed specifically for wikis, and we will constantly be getting the most recent (and therefore best) version of their licenses. <br />
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::I'll be completely honest, I don't like having this debate. From my participation in the last 20 incarnations of this discussion you might get the impression I enjoy fighting about licenses, but I'd much rather be arguing about the balance of the latest class that was added, or how to write mechanics for water-bending. I'd love to just settle this, and then let D&D wiki be about D&D. That's why I come here anyway. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:34, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this. When I say ''workings'' I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean ''working''. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for ''many'' people. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:31, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::GD, with all due respect, your comment above is very vague, and hard to follow. {{Warning/Text}} You are not getting your message across clearly. In the debt collection industry we have a term called the '''"least sophisticated individual."''' What this means is that we must always speak extremely clearly and use low-education wording and phrases to make sure that our point is understood by the person we are speaking to. With the acknowledgement that it may seem like you're having to "talk down," could you please restate what you just said above in a more clear and concise manner so that the rest of the site may be able to follow what you are trying to say. Please try to refrain from vagueness. Keep in mind that whatever it is you are referring to above as ''"already well defined"'' is obviously not as the '''entire rest of the user base''' doesn't understand your stance. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 21:54, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This I will elaborate on as it is a new aspect of the discussion. I call it "a disregarding of status quo". You (and debt people) can call it whatever you want to. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::We're just trying to have a civil discourse here, there is no need to be rude. Are you openly stating that, regardless of the feelings of the user base ''(i.e. if we hold a vote and everyone but you votes for updating the license)'' that it will not be updated? The user base deserves to know what we're getting into - whether or not this type of a decision will truly be collaborative or not. I apologize if running the site on the back-end is tasking on you. We just wish to make that easier. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 22:10, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I have a problem with your statements, Green Dragon. I can, and will always say, that while I can be direct and somewhat cold, even if I do not think I've had to do so, yet, I always attempt to place my respects where they are due, and to garner an understanding for the opposing argument. I have tried to do that with you, this time, as well, even to the point where I can somewhat understand your conflict regarding the license issue. With that said, I am going to continue:<br />
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:::::::"'''This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this.'''"<br />
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:::::::This discussion is regarding an upgrade to GNU FDL 1.3; I can assure you that at least I understand the terms of that license, and I have faith that Hooper and Badger do, as well, given their involvement. We're not trying to define the license; You ''''might'''' be referring to the discussion on the main talk page regarding the various interpretations of GNU FDL 1.2. As I understand it, that's done. We're talking about moving on, and getting rid of 1.2 for 1.3, a license that will completely absolve that problem. This is completely communicated in Hooper's individual post.<br />
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:::::::I can only see three explanations regarding saying this: Either '''1''') You made a mistake interpreting main purpose of this discussion. '''2''') You have a disagreement regarding the second and third paragraphs of the original statement, in which case, I would ask that instead of just saying the equivalent of 'You don't know what you're talking about' and getting nowhere, that you abide by your own advice; Do this 'correctly', by pointing out, quoting if necessary, what you have a problem with, and clearly explaining why you believe it is incorrect. Granted, this is an extraneous argument regarding the proposal to upgrade to 1.3, but at least explain your ideas and assertions instead of just blatantly writing off our own as 'wrong'. That, I must say, is incredibly rude. '''3''') That you are simply trying to discredit the argument or proposal. I would like to believe that you are not that petty.<br />
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:::::::"'''When I say workings I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean working. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::Please, Please, Please refrain from saying one thing, and meaning '''something else'''. If you have to instruct us to temporarily change the definition of a word to understand what you are trying to say, then I hate to be the guy to say this, but you ''''need'''' to use a more correct word, in the first place. I'm not going to think loose, broad, or encompassing just so your argument will seem 'more right', and I'm not going to refrain from discussion simply because I don't see things as you do. That's the whole point of a discussion. Be strong, be bold, and be simple, and help us chisel out a straightforward understanding among each other, and submit a contribution to the discussion, not an opinion that seemingly only has purpose to try to invalidate everyone else's. Discussion, Arguments, Conflict, for whatever term you will use to describe the clashing of ideals and perceptions, are the keys to knowledge and understanding. Never was there a greater teacher, about your opposition or about yourself, than that of conflict. Speak simply, and learn with us, and we might just have a better wiki for it.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::This isn't a fight. It's a disagreement. If you liken the two by a looser definition, specifically, that of conflict of any kind, then I will allot you that definition. That said, if you are going to invalidate all opposing arguments simply because they oppose your viewpoint, I advise you to think carefully about what kind of precedent you will be setting, and what the point of discussions are, even, if all of this is null and void next to your seemingly supreme view of things. That is what I am interpreting the statement above as. The argument holds no other suggestion, condemnation, or support for the current issue and proposal, and instead appears as a simplistic, indirect dismissal of this discussions' participants' thoughts on the matter.<br />
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:::::::I mean nothing in malice, but as I said above, I '''will''' be direct, and I '''will''' use this as a discussion should be used: I will clash against your arguments, to attempt to decimate it, while fortifying my own, in the pursuit of a singular truth. I will do so with regards to rules of etiquette, and I will always allow good faith to reign over my argument, but I will challenge the possibility, and you, if you allow the possibility to become fact. This is an example. I now argue with you, as the opposition. I invite you to argue to provide rebuttal, though that goes without saying, nor does it require the invitation. It is, however, my formal declaration of good faith preceding the arguments that are likely to follow.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for many people.'''"<br />
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:::::::I do, and I believe that the discussion also does, '''need''' a comment from you. The comment is more of a reply, however. If this discussion, and all it's participants, or at least the distinct majority of the participants, does agree that the '''upgrading from GNU FDL v1.2 to GNU FDL v1.3''' is the best course of action for this wiki, will you comply?<br />
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:::::::I do not begrudge you your opinion. If you think it's silly, unnecessary, or without reason, I do not blame you. The point is, however, I am asking you that if the active user-base thinks differently, will you '''willingly put aside your opposition in favor of letting this democratic process prevail'''? I don't ask that you back down, and I don't ask that you discard your opinion, and believe that we're all right, and that you're completely wrong... but I ask if you'll respect the collective decision and assist in it's implementation? If not, then there is no reason for this discussion under such tyranny. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:56, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"''loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas''" may also mean show an understanding of ''workings''. What is a working? For example, and here is some instruction, is this "discussion" format correct? Why should anything regarding the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] (hint) happen here?<br />
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::::::::I don't want to give instruction. I don't care. You should understand wiki enough to do it correctly, so it can be discussed correctly. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::{{warning/Text}} The discussion should happen here as it is very wide-effecting. If there was a subcommittee creating a new license update proposal, it would be appropriate to have it on the GNU talk page. However, since we model our site off wikipedia, why not have a discussion like they do - on a single central location? Now, if you could just please answer the question: are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating and are not open to collaboration? --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 11:17, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::"''Have a D&D question you need answered? Not completely sure about something in D&D? Confused about certain rules?''" applies so well... Wikis work in certain ways. If you care about wiki it would be done right. Logical. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:41, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, GD. We've moved the discussion here. Now that we're in the right place, would you mind answering Hooper's question? Are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating the license and are not open to collaboration? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Another answered topic is that this discussion is unreadable in its current state. See also [[Help:Talk Pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::You've had no trouble reading and contributing up to this point. Are you going to make me reformat everyone's comments to get an answer out of you? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:48, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It shows an understanding and caring of wiki and how D&D Wiki works. There still is more to do, of course. It must be farily intuitive. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:14, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::What? What shows an understanding of how D&D wiki works? What more is there to do? What has to be intuitive? Ok, what I would like you to do is make a list of all the hoops we're going to have to jump through before we can have an honest discussion, and a vote. I'm going to tell you right now that there is no active user on this wiki, except maybe you, that understands and cares more about wikis and D&D wiki than I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:20, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may show the understanding of how the wiki works, as you say, but the fact that you continue to dodge the question and are forcing the community to jump through hoops is degrading, not only to this wiki, but also to your own reputation. Under a level of triviality and, dare I say it, stubbornness, this wiki cannot help but be doomed. I've asked you to assume the mantle of a leader, and to do as a leader would do; Accept the views of your community, or at least what remains of it, and answer one, simple question: '''Will you allow this democratic process to prevail''', regardless of the outcome? Honestly, I feel that your behavior is beginning to resemble a level of uncooperative nature that we will simply be forced to wait until it is out of your hands, though I won't say what that means. <br />
:::Is this no longer a wiki? Where the collective of editors believe in majority consensus on issues of controversy? Is this your last gasp in authoritarian style, struggling to reign in and impose obstacles on people simply because they disagree with you? You claim so much importance in all these trivialities and simple ''necessities'' in order for you to even acknowledge this argument, and yet you don't care enough to implement them yourself, or even take our arguments in good faith, the key ideals of wikis everywhere? Instead, you appear purposefully avoid the question, avoid the argument, and seem to imply, by actions and statements, that a vote we carry out would have no meaning to you. I am sorry to say, but if that is how you will operate, then I cannot say that I can respect you as an administrator. This issue will resolve itself, in time, and for the better, likely with or without you. I am sorry that you do not seem to be interested in participating in a manner befitting that of this website. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::I would answer, however this has already been answered. This question I will answer on [[Meta Pages]] as it was very loosely defined before. As I was saying something which shows an understanding of D&D Wiki is a must. Should anyone get people to do what they want just because they are human? A level of irrelevancy exists, and it must in wikis.<br />
::::It's answers like these annoy people. Can anyone read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus Consensus]? Does anyone care? Has anyone looked into this? Why do I have to explain this. If leaders did this (for example) Obama would have zero time away from answering irrelevant letters. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:06, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Alright. I know all about consensus. I was raised Quaker; Consensus is our thing. First thing we've got to do is have everyone simply and clearly state what their feelings are with the current situation. Don't speak for anyone else, and don't make references to other's opinions. After we all discuss our opinions, we go around and cite facts (in this case, in the forms of links) that cover everyone's problems with the current situation, and potential solutions. I'll start: <br />
:::::I feel that the current license (v1.2) is inadequate for our needs, and a new license (v1.3) would be better suited for our needs. There are special sections of v1.3 that are designed for multi-user websites, like our wiki. I feel that an upgrade would better suit the wiki in the long term, and would cut down on a number of arguments we have been having. <br />
:::::Who would like to go next? Remember, we're just stating our opinions right now, so no talking about other people or their opinions, just your own feelings. Don't even say things like "I disagree/agree with ____" as that isn't the point of consensus. If someone has already voiced the same opinion as you, you may remain quiet. Consensus is assumed when there's no evidence of disagreement. You are free to re-join the discussion at any point, of course, if you feel you have something more to add. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I feel that the current license is adequate. 1.3 was designed (as far as I can tell) for Wikipedia's desire to multi-licesne everything. I feel that making things simpler rather then confusing is better for users. I also understand that licensing situations are as easy as applying a template to fix (for compliance with the current licesne; if that is what is being discussed). Like [[Template:OGL Top]], [[Template:OGL Bottom]], [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]], and [[Template:Cc-by-nc-sa]]. Saying there is a problem adding templates for compliance issues is like saying there is a problem with editing.<br />
::::::I would also appreciate if the entire discussion was moved (that which relates here from where it was started) as well as pags which are leftover are removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:00, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. If anyone else has anything they'd like to add, feel free to do so. If no one has anything else to add, at this time tomorrow we should begin to provide links to better explain our problems, as well as our solutions. If anyone is, for any reason, unable to add to this conversation, [[Special:EmailUser/Badger|I'm sure they can think of a way to get their voice heard]]. Like I said, we'll start addressing complaints this time tomorrow (naturally, we can push this back if we feel we need more time on this first step, as it is perhaps the most important). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:09, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::With permission, I am adding the below text on behalf of Hooper: <!---If anyone objects to this, you can message Hooper to confirm----><br />
::::::::"I personally believe that GNU 1.3 is best for D&D Wiki's future. This is because it was specifically designed to close previous gaps between CC-BY-SA and 1.2. I believe that expecting users to intuitively know to post a template on their FIRST edit to a page they want licensed outside GNU is not realistic, as we can't even get most novice users to understand our basic naming identifiers and tags. This means that our current template situation is actually more complicated.<br />
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::::::::Additionally, GNU 1.3 exemptions were made specifically for collaborative projects - like wikis. Additionally, some of the text in the GNU 1.3 is more clearly written (instead of in "legalese") and will help solidify the correct understanding of author's rights to all our members." --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 19:28, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Truly, I believe that progressing towards GNU FDL 1.3 would be in the best interest for the wiki. This is because the 1.3 license is the improved and revised form of GNU FDL 1.2, the site's current license, which is currently obsolete. It is my personal opinion that our duties regarding the upkeep and maintenance of this site extend to our license. Even if it were only symbolic, the upgrade is necessary because lack of vigilance and proper administration, especially on such important, legal issues, must be avoided.<br />
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:::::::::The license provides even more reason than simple vigilance, as well. v1.2 has a notable history of conflict, involving this site and many others; It was because of this reason that it was further revised and appended into what is now GNU FDL v1.3. The current revision was designed for wikis and similar projects, and therefore it addresses many of the issues that were present under v1.2, such as compatibility with other licenses, and a welcomed transition to more '''plain''' speak, which, while subjective in terms of significance, is something I believe will lead to far less conflicting interpretations in the future. Perhaps most of all, the exemptions present that deal with projects like this very wiki, present the greatest benefit to our community and its cohesion. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:21, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::The changes can be seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=533144 here]. I change my stance.<br />
::::::::::Why not?<br />
::::::::::Simplicity, yes, will be harmed a bit. We must implement a policy on [[Meta Pages]] that content it licensed as it is. If someone desires to change the licensing they must do it at the creation of the page or request it (or something). A little more confusion, but it should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Simplicity could be maintained if we were willing to have all content be dual-licensed under GNU-FDL v1.3 as well as CC-BY-SA (which, if I'm not mistaken, is how Wikipedia does it). That way pretty much everything would be covered. We could put a note at the bottom of the edit window (where current copyright information is) that says "if you choose to license this under additional, fewer, or different licenses, please see an administrator before uploading your content. Most people would probably be fine with this and allow dual-licensing. It would be the best way to help people license their content under another license. If you would prefer, we could dedicate an particluar admin to handle licensing arrangements on top of their other duties(and I would be more than willing to handle this). We could work out what licenses were ok, and how to go about licensing things, and then it'd be as easy as having a user leave a message to an admin that says "I would like to license my content under licenses 1, 2, 4 and 5", and one of us could swoop in and add the correct templates to the page. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:02, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::#It would be close to admitting that licensing is up to the author, not the website owner, which is COMPLETELY incorrect. By posting this, for example, I have given away all rights for what I have produced and cannot claim any intellectual ownership for my ideas.<br />
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::::::::::::In summary, I hope you all rethink your stance on this licence change. Please. Think of the lulz to be had. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:17, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</s><br />
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:::::::::::::Please read the diff.<br />
:::::::::::::"''You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute it is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License.''"<br />
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:::::::::::::"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
:::::::::::::No, things are licensed. This has been discussed multiple times and every major website says the same thing. An internet myth is not correct because of your desires. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:<s>I agree. Things licensed they are. We have multiple times gone over this discussion of major websites. The internet myth is what I'm saying.<br />
:"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
:means that we can't relicense anything after November 1, 2008. The same page is great to be on. My desires are the same as yours. Maybe my point wasn't enough clear. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:44, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</s><br />
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::It also means that a website must be "''under this License''". Make sense? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Honestly, Green Dragon, I was just posting to cause a ruckus. Everything I've said was some form of teasing or sarcasm. I don't agree with your understanding of the licensing, nor does it seem that your community does. Now, putting aside my immaturity, I think the reasonable thing to do would be to listen to your community on a big issue like this one. You treat them with respect, and they will continue treating you with respect. You don't, and you'll probably end up annoying a whole other batch of users whom will have fun coming back to your site just to stir up trouble from time to time like I have. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 21:07, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:GNU_Free_Documentation_License_1.3&diff=533164Talk:GNU Free Documentation License 1.32011-08-31T03:04:53Z<p>Aarnott: Seriously, it was a joke, dude</p>
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==Notes==<br />
This is the GNU Free Documentation License. The license requires the posting of this license.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 10:57, 14 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Updating and Understanding D&D Wiki's License == <br />
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As this debate has spilled across numerous other pages, that are not necessarily meant for it - I've decided to try to keep all talks on one page. First, to assist everyone in understanding the license we currently have, I am providing a direct quote, which is about Wikipedia (a project we model our licensing and policies after), and it is in regards to when a poster contributes original material (which is what most of our stuff is):<br />
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'''"...you own the copyright to the material, for instance because you produced it yourself..."''', begins the section - then it breaks away for a moment for other possible contributors (which are not related to our userbase - though it fits our OGL stuff - which is already properly acknowledged) and continues '''"In the first case, you retain copyright to your materials. You can later republish and relicense them in any way you like."'''<br />
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Now, most of our user base understands this. But let me put it simply: the legal authorities state that if you created the homebrew content, when you license it here you still retain full rights, and may re-license it any way you wish. However, do be aware that '''"...you can never retract licensing for the versions you placed here."''' This is why, after the former site split - content the authors created was allowed to be moved, but not deleted from here. It was legally appropriate for both forks. Anyways, with that in mind hopefully we can all move past the "other sites are breaking the law/license" fallacy.<br />
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Now, I propose that we update our license, as is legally allowed, to GNU's most up to date license release - with an understanding that we will continually update it should GNU create a newer license. The guys behind these licenses are experts in their field, more so than any of us - and if they release a new one, we should take heed. Especially since they keep wikis in mind when creating them. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 08:53, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:'''Support''' I agree with Hooper's suggestion, not only because this would solve far more problems than it would create, but also because of the later point made: GNU FDL, no matter which version, is understood by it's creators far better than any other individual or entity. If they seek to update/improve/upgrade the license, then we would do well to consider doing so, as well, because let's face it: If the creator's of the license can improve on it, then we can benefit from the newer, improved license, instead of the older, obsolete and apparently flawed license. That's just simple rational procedure.<br />
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:The benefit of doing so is simply made more visible by recent issues and discussions, of which, this upgrade will also alleviate. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]]10:16, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::'''Support''' I support the notion of updating our license. However, more to the point, if we're smart about it, we'll only have to update it once, but always have the best protection. GNU FDL allows you to license your content under v1.2 ''or most recent version''. If we were to have added that line, we'd currently be licensed under 1.3, and we'd up upgraded to 2.0 when that releases. I support licensing us under ''GNU FDL v1.3 or most recent'', because the upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 was designed specifically for wikis, and we will constantly be getting the most recent (and therefore best) version of their licenses. <br />
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::I'll be completely honest, I don't like having this debate. From my participation in the last 20 incarnations of this discussion you might get the impression I enjoy fighting about licenses, but I'd much rather be arguing about the balance of the latest class that was added, or how to write mechanics for water-bending. I'd love to just settle this, and then let D&D wiki be about D&D. That's why I come here anyway. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:34, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this. When I say ''workings'' I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean ''working''. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for ''many'' people. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:31, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::GD, with all due respect, your comment above is very vague, and hard to follow. {{Warning/Text}} You are not getting your message across clearly. In the debt collection industry we have a term called the '''"least sophisticated individual."''' What this means is that we must always speak extremely clearly and use low-education wording and phrases to make sure that our point is understood by the person we are speaking to. With the acknowledgement that it may seem like you're having to "talk down," could you please restate what you just said above in a more clear and concise manner so that the rest of the site may be able to follow what you are trying to say. Please try to refrain from vagueness. Keep in mind that whatever it is you are referring to above as ''"already well defined"'' is obviously not as the '''entire rest of the user base''' doesn't understand your stance. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 21:54, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This I will elaborate on as it is a new aspect of the discussion. I call it "a disregarding of status quo". You (and debt people) can call it whatever you want to. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::We're just trying to have a civil discourse here, there is no need to be rude. Are you openly stating that, regardless of the feelings of the user base ''(i.e. if we hold a vote and everyone but you votes for updating the license)'' that it will not be updated? The user base deserves to know what we're getting into - whether or not this type of a decision will truly be collaborative or not. I apologize if running the site on the back-end is tasking on you. We just wish to make that easier. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 22:10, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I have a problem with your statements, Green Dragon. I can, and will always say, that while I can be direct and somewhat cold, even if I do not think I've had to do so, yet, I always attempt to place my respects where they are due, and to garner an understanding for the opposing argument. I have tried to do that with you, this time, as well, even to the point where I can somewhat understand your conflict regarding the license issue. With that said, I am going to continue:<br />
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:::::::"'''This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this.'''"<br />
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:::::::This discussion is regarding an upgrade to GNU FDL 1.3; I can assure you that at least I understand the terms of that license, and I have faith that Hooper and Badger do, as well, given their involvement. We're not trying to define the license; You ''''might'''' be referring to the discussion on the main talk page regarding the various interpretations of GNU FDL 1.2. As I understand it, that's done. We're talking about moving on, and getting rid of 1.2 for 1.3, a license that will completely absolve that problem. This is completely communicated in Hooper's individual post.<br />
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:::::::I can only see three explanations regarding saying this: Either '''1''') You made a mistake interpreting main purpose of this discussion. '''2''') You have a disagreement regarding the second and third paragraphs of the original statement, in which case, I would ask that instead of just saying the equivalent of 'You don't know what you're talking about' and getting nowhere, that you abide by your own advice; Do this 'correctly', by pointing out, quoting if necessary, what you have a problem with, and clearly explaining why you believe it is incorrect. Granted, this is an extraneous argument regarding the proposal to upgrade to 1.3, but at least explain your ideas and assertions instead of just blatantly writing off our own as 'wrong'. That, I must say, is incredibly rude. '''3''') That you are simply trying to discredit the argument or proposal. I would like to believe that you are not that petty.<br />
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:::::::"'''When I say workings I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean working. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::Please, Please, Please refrain from saying one thing, and meaning '''something else'''. If you have to instruct us to temporarily change the definition of a word to understand what you are trying to say, then I hate to be the guy to say this, but you ''''need'''' to use a more correct word, in the first place. I'm not going to think loose, broad, or encompassing just so your argument will seem 'more right', and I'm not going to refrain from discussion simply because I don't see things as you do. That's the whole point of a discussion. Be strong, be bold, and be simple, and help us chisel out a straightforward understanding among each other, and submit a contribution to the discussion, not an opinion that seemingly only has purpose to try to invalidate everyone else's. Discussion, Arguments, Conflict, for whatever term you will use to describe the clashing of ideals and perceptions, are the keys to knowledge and understanding. Never was there a greater teacher, about your opposition or about yourself, than that of conflict. Speak simply, and learn with us, and we might just have a better wiki for it.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::This isn't a fight. It's a disagreement. If you liken the two by a looser definition, specifically, that of conflict of any kind, then I will allot you that definition. That said, if you are going to invalidate all opposing arguments simply because they oppose your viewpoint, I advise you to think carefully about what kind of precedent you will be setting, and what the point of discussions are, even, if all of this is null and void next to your seemingly supreme view of things. That is what I am interpreting the statement above as. The argument holds no other suggestion, condemnation, or support for the current issue and proposal, and instead appears as a simplistic, indirect dismissal of this discussions' participants' thoughts on the matter.<br />
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:::::::I mean nothing in malice, but as I said above, I '''will''' be direct, and I '''will''' use this as a discussion should be used: I will clash against your arguments, to attempt to decimate it, while fortifying my own, in the pursuit of a singular truth. I will do so with regards to rules of etiquette, and I will always allow good faith to reign over my argument, but I will challenge the possibility, and you, if you allow the possibility to become fact. This is an example. I now argue with you, as the opposition. I invite you to argue to provide rebuttal, though that goes without saying, nor does it require the invitation. It is, however, my formal declaration of good faith preceding the arguments that are likely to follow.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for many people.'''"<br />
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:::::::I do, and I believe that the discussion also does, '''need''' a comment from you. The comment is more of a reply, however. If this discussion, and all it's participants, or at least the distinct majority of the participants, does agree that the '''upgrading from GNU FDL v1.2 to GNU FDL v1.3''' is the best course of action for this wiki, will you comply?<br />
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:::::::I do not begrudge you your opinion. If you think it's silly, unnecessary, or without reason, I do not blame you. The point is, however, I am asking you that if the active user-base thinks differently, will you '''willingly put aside your opposition in favor of letting this democratic process prevail'''? I don't ask that you back down, and I don't ask that you discard your opinion, and believe that we're all right, and that you're completely wrong... but I ask if you'll respect the collective decision and assist in it's implementation? If not, then there is no reason for this discussion under such tyranny. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:56, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"''loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas''" may also mean show an understanding of ''workings''. What is a working? For example, and here is some instruction, is this "discussion" format correct? Why should anything regarding the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] (hint) happen here?<br />
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::::::::I don't want to give instruction. I don't care. You should understand wiki enough to do it correctly, so it can be discussed correctly. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::{{warning/Text}} The discussion should happen here as it is very wide-effecting. If there was a subcommittee creating a new license update proposal, it would be appropriate to have it on the GNU talk page. However, since we model our site off wikipedia, why not have a discussion like they do - on a single central location? Now, if you could just please answer the question: are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating and are not open to collaboration? --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 11:17, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::"''Have a D&D question you need answered? Not completely sure about something in D&D? Confused about certain rules?''" applies so well... Wikis work in certain ways. If you care about wiki it would be done right. Logical. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:41, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, GD. We've moved the discussion here. Now that we're in the right place, would you mind answering Hooper's question? Are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating the license and are not open to collaboration? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Another answered topic is that this discussion is unreadable in its current state. See also [[Help:Talk Pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::You've had no trouble reading and contributing up to this point. Are you going to make me reformat everyone's comments to get an answer out of you? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:48, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It shows an understanding and caring of wiki and how D&D Wiki works. There still is more to do, of course. It must be farily intuitive. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:14, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::What? What shows an understanding of how D&D wiki works? What more is there to do? What has to be intuitive? Ok, what I would like you to do is make a list of all the hoops we're going to have to jump through before we can have an honest discussion, and a vote. I'm going to tell you right now that there is no active user on this wiki, except maybe you, that understands and cares more about wikis and D&D wiki than I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:20, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may show the understanding of how the wiki works, as you say, but the fact that you continue to dodge the question and are forcing the community to jump through hoops is degrading, not only to this wiki, but also to your own reputation. Under a level of triviality and, dare I say it, stubbornness, this wiki cannot help but be doomed. I've asked you to assume the mantle of a leader, and to do as a leader would do; Accept the views of your community, or at least what remains of it, and answer one, simple question: '''Will you allow this democratic process to prevail''', regardless of the outcome? Honestly, I feel that your behavior is beginning to resemble a level of uncooperative nature that we will simply be forced to wait until it is out of your hands, though I won't say what that means. <br />
:::Is this no longer a wiki? Where the collective of editors believe in majority consensus on issues of controversy? Is this your last gasp in authoritarian style, struggling to reign in and impose obstacles on people simply because they disagree with you? You claim so much importance in all these trivialities and simple ''necessities'' in order for you to even acknowledge this argument, and yet you don't care enough to implement them yourself, or even take our arguments in good faith, the key ideals of wikis everywhere? Instead, you appear purposefully avoid the question, avoid the argument, and seem to imply, by actions and statements, that a vote we carry out would have no meaning to you. I am sorry to say, but if that is how you will operate, then I cannot say that I can respect you as an administrator. This issue will resolve itself, in time, and for the better, likely with or without you. I am sorry that you do not seem to be interested in participating in a manner befitting that of this website. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::I would answer, however this has already been answered. This question I will answer on [[Meta Pages]] as it was very loosely defined before. As I was saying something which shows an understanding of D&D Wiki is a must. Should anyone get people to do what they want just because they are human? A level of irrelevancy exists, and it must in wikis.<br />
::::It's answers like these annoy people. Can anyone read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus Consensus]? Does anyone care? Has anyone looked into this? Why do I have to explain this. If leaders did this (for example) Obama would have zero time away from answering irrelevant letters. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:06, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Alright. I know all about consensus. I was raised Quaker; Consensus is our thing. First thing we've got to do is have everyone simply and clearly state what their feelings are with the current situation. Don't speak for anyone else, and don't make references to other's opinions. After we all discuss our opinions, we go around and cite facts (in this case, in the forms of links) that cover everyone's problems with the current situation, and potential solutions. I'll start: <br />
:::::I feel that the current license (v1.2) is inadequate for our needs, and a new license (v1.3) would be better suited for our needs. There are special sections of v1.3 that are designed for multi-user websites, like our wiki. I feel that an upgrade would better suit the wiki in the long term, and would cut down on a number of arguments we have been having. <br />
:::::Who would like to go next? Remember, we're just stating our opinions right now, so no talking about other people or their opinions, just your own feelings. Don't even say things like "I disagree/agree with ____" as that isn't the point of consensus. If someone has already voiced the same opinion as you, you may remain quiet. Consensus is assumed when there's no evidence of disagreement. You are free to re-join the discussion at any point, of course, if you feel you have something more to add. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I feel that the current license is adequate. 1.3 was designed (as far as I can tell) for Wikipedia's desire to multi-licesne everything. I feel that making things simpler rather then confusing is better for users. I also understand that licensing situations are as easy as applying a template to fix (for compliance with the current licesne; if that is what is being discussed). Like [[Template:OGL Top]], [[Template:OGL Bottom]], [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]], and [[Template:Cc-by-nc-sa]]. Saying there is a problem adding templates for compliance issues is like saying there is a problem with editing.<br />
::::::I would also appreciate if the entire discussion was moved (that which relates here from where it was started) as well as pags which are leftover are removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:00, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. If anyone else has anything they'd like to add, feel free to do so. If no one has anything else to add, at this time tomorrow we should begin to provide links to better explain our problems, as well as our solutions. If anyone is, for any reason, unable to add to this conversation, [[Special:EmailUser/Badger|I'm sure they can think of a way to get their voice heard]]. Like I said, we'll start addressing complaints this time tomorrow (naturally, we can push this back if we feel we need more time on this first step, as it is perhaps the most important). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:09, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::With permission, I am adding the below text on behalf of Hooper: <!---If anyone objects to this, you can message Hooper to confirm----><br />
::::::::"I personally believe that GNU 1.3 is best for D&D Wiki's future. This is because it was specifically designed to close previous gaps between CC-BY-SA and 1.2. I believe that expecting users to intuitively know to post a template on their FIRST edit to a page they want licensed outside GNU is not realistic, as we can't even get most novice users to understand our basic naming identifiers and tags. This means that our current template situation is actually more complicated.<br />
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::::::::Additionally, GNU 1.3 exemptions were made specifically for collaborative projects - like wikis. Additionally, some of the text in the GNU 1.3 is more clearly written (instead of in "legalese") and will help solidify the correct understanding of author's rights to all our members." --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 19:28, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Truly, I believe that progressing towards GNU FDL 1.3 would be in the best interest for the wiki. This is because the 1.3 license is the improved and revised form of GNU FDL 1.2, the site's current license, which is currently obsolete. It is my personal opinion that our duties regarding the upkeep and maintenance of this site extend to our license. Even if it were only symbolic, the upgrade is necessary because lack of vigilance and proper administration, especially on such important, legal issues, must be avoided.<br />
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:::::::::The license provides even more reason than simple vigilance, as well. v1.2 has a notable history of conflict, involving this site and many others; It was because of this reason that it was further revised and appended into what is now GNU FDL v1.3. The current revision was designed for wikis and similar projects, and therefore it addresses many of the issues that were present under v1.2, such as compatibility with other licenses, and a welcomed transition to more '''plain''' speak, which, while subjective in terms of significance, is something I believe will lead to far less conflicting interpretations in the future. Perhaps most of all, the exemptions present that deal with projects like this very wiki, present the greatest benefit to our community and its cohesion. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:21, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::The changes can be seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=533144 here]. I change my stance.<br />
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::::::::::Simplicity, yes, will be harmed a bit. We must implement a policy on [[Meta Pages]] that content it licensed as it is. If someone desires to change the licensing they must do it at the creation of the page or request it (or something). A little more confusion, but it should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Simplicity could be maintained if we were willing to have all content be dual-licensed under GNU-FDL v1.3 as well as CC-BY-SA (which, if I'm not mistaken, is how Wikipedia does it). That way pretty much everything would be covered. We could put a note at the bottom of the edit window (where current copyright information is) that says "if you choose to license this under additional, fewer, or different licenses, please see an administrator before uploading your content. Most people would probably be fine with this and allow dual-licensing. It would be the best way to help people license their content under another license. If you would prefer, we could dedicate an particluar admin to handle licensing arrangements on top of their other duties(and I would be more than willing to handle this). We could work out what licenses were ok, and how to go about licensing things, and then it'd be as easy as having a user leave a message to an admin that says "I would like to license my content under licenses 1, 2, 4 and 5", and one of us could swoop in and add the correct templates to the page. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:02, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::#It would be close to admitting that licensing is up to the author, not the website owner, which is COMPLETELY incorrect. By posting this, for example, I have given away all rights for what I have produced and cannot claim any intellectual ownership for my ideas.<br />
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::::::::::::In summary, I hope you all rethink your stance on this licence change. Please. Think of the lulz to be had. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:17, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</s><br />
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:::::::::::::Please read the diff.<br />
:::::::::::::"''You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute it is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License.''"<br />
:::::::::::::The other point of interest to this... whatever... is<br />
:::::::::::::"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
:::::::::::::No, things are licensed. This has been discussed multiple times and every major website says the same thing. An internet myth is not correct because of your desires. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<s>:I agree. Things licensed they are. We have multiple times gone over this discussion of major websites. The internet myth is what I'm saying.<br />
:"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
:means that we can't relicense anything after November 1, 2008. The same page is great to be on. My desires are the same as yours. Maybe my point wasn't enough clear. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:44, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</s><br />
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::It also means that a website must be "''under this License''". Make sense? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Honestly, Green Dragon, I was just posting to cause a ruckus. Everything I've said was some form of teasing or sarcasm. I don't agree with your understanding of the licensing, nor does it seem that your community does. Now, putting aside my immaturity, I think the reasonable thing to do would be to listen to your community on a big issue like this one. You treat them with respect, and they will continue treating you with respect. You don't, and you'll probably end up annoying a whole other batch of users whom will have fun coming back to your site just to stir up trouble from time to time like I have.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:GNU_Free_Documentation_License_1.3&diff=533159Talk:GNU Free Documentation License 1.32011-08-31T02:44:33Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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This is the GNU Free Documentation License. The license requires the posting of this license.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 10:57, 14 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Updating and Understanding D&D Wiki's License == <br />
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As this debate has spilled across numerous other pages, that are not necessarily meant for it - I've decided to try to keep all talks on one page. First, to assist everyone in understanding the license we currently have, I am providing a direct quote, which is about Wikipedia (a project we model our licensing and policies after), and it is in regards to when a poster contributes original material (which is what most of our stuff is):<br />
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'''"...you own the copyright to the material, for instance because you produced it yourself..."''', begins the section - then it breaks away for a moment for other possible contributors (which are not related to our userbase - though it fits our OGL stuff - which is already properly acknowledged) and continues '''"In the first case, you retain copyright to your materials. You can later republish and relicense them in any way you like."'''<br />
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Now, most of our user base understands this. But let me put it simply: the legal authorities state that if you created the homebrew content, when you license it here you still retain full rights, and may re-license it any way you wish. However, do be aware that '''"...you can never retract licensing for the versions you placed here."''' This is why, after the former site split - content the authors created was allowed to be moved, but not deleted from here. It was legally appropriate for both forks. Anyways, with that in mind hopefully we can all move past the "other sites are breaking the law/license" fallacy.<br />
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Now, I propose that we update our license, as is legally allowed, to GNU's most up to date license release - with an understanding that we will continually update it should GNU create a newer license. The guys behind these licenses are experts in their field, more so than any of us - and if they release a new one, we should take heed. Especially since they keep wikis in mind when creating them. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 08:53, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:'''Support''' I agree with Hooper's suggestion, not only because this would solve far more problems than it would create, but also because of the later point made: GNU FDL, no matter which version, is understood by it's creators far better than any other individual or entity. If they seek to update/improve/upgrade the license, then we would do well to consider doing so, as well, because let's face it: If the creator's of the license can improve on it, then we can benefit from the newer, improved license, instead of the older, obsolete and apparently flawed license. That's just simple rational procedure.<br />
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:The benefit of doing so is simply made more visible by recent issues and discussions, of which, this upgrade will also alleviate. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]]10:16, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::'''Support''' I support the notion of updating our license. However, more to the point, if we're smart about it, we'll only have to update it once, but always have the best protection. GNU FDL allows you to license your content under v1.2 ''or most recent version''. If we were to have added that line, we'd currently be licensed under 1.3, and we'd up upgraded to 2.0 when that releases. I support licensing us under ''GNU FDL v1.3 or most recent'', because the upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 was designed specifically for wikis, and we will constantly be getting the most recent (and therefore best) version of their licenses. <br />
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::I'll be completely honest, I don't like having this debate. From my participation in the last 20 incarnations of this discussion you might get the impression I enjoy fighting about licenses, but I'd much rather be arguing about the balance of the latest class that was added, or how to write mechanics for water-bending. I'd love to just settle this, and then let D&D wiki be about D&D. That's why I come here anyway. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:34, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this. When I say ''workings'' I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean ''working''. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for ''many'' people. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:31, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::GD, with all due respect, your comment above is very vague, and hard to follow. {{Warning/Text}} You are not getting your message across clearly. In the debt collection industry we have a term called the '''"least sophisticated individual."''' What this means is that we must always speak extremely clearly and use low-education wording and phrases to make sure that our point is understood by the person we are speaking to. With the acknowledgement that it may seem like you're having to "talk down," could you please restate what you just said above in a more clear and concise manner so that the rest of the site may be able to follow what you are trying to say. Please try to refrain from vagueness. Keep in mind that whatever it is you are referring to above as ''"already well defined"'' is obviously not as the '''entire rest of the user base''' doesn't understand your stance. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 21:54, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This I will elaborate on as it is a new aspect of the discussion. I call it "a disregarding of status quo". You (and debt people) can call it whatever you want to. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::We're just trying to have a civil discourse here, there is no need to be rude. Are you openly stating that, regardless of the feelings of the user base ''(i.e. if we hold a vote and everyone but you votes for updating the license)'' that it will not be updated? The user base deserves to know what we're getting into - whether or not this type of a decision will truly be collaborative or not. I apologize if running the site on the back-end is tasking on you. We just wish to make that easier. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 22:10, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I have a problem with your statements, Green Dragon. I can, and will always say, that while I can be direct and somewhat cold, even if I do not think I've had to do so, yet, I always attempt to place my respects where they are due, and to garner an understanding for the opposing argument. I have tried to do that with you, this time, as well, even to the point where I can somewhat understand your conflict regarding the license issue. With that said, I am going to continue:<br />
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:::::::"'''This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this.'''"<br />
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:::::::This discussion is regarding an upgrade to GNU FDL 1.3; I can assure you that at least I understand the terms of that license, and I have faith that Hooper and Badger do, as well, given their involvement. We're not trying to define the license; You ''''might'''' be referring to the discussion on the main talk page regarding the various interpretations of GNU FDL 1.2. As I understand it, that's done. We're talking about moving on, and getting rid of 1.2 for 1.3, a license that will completely absolve that problem. This is completely communicated in Hooper's individual post.<br />
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:::::::I can only see three explanations regarding saying this: Either '''1''') You made a mistake interpreting main purpose of this discussion. '''2''') You have a disagreement regarding the second and third paragraphs of the original statement, in which case, I would ask that instead of just saying the equivalent of 'You don't know what you're talking about' and getting nowhere, that you abide by your own advice; Do this 'correctly', by pointing out, quoting if necessary, what you have a problem with, and clearly explaining why you believe it is incorrect. Granted, this is an extraneous argument regarding the proposal to upgrade to 1.3, but at least explain your ideas and assertions instead of just blatantly writing off our own as 'wrong'. That, I must say, is incredibly rude. '''3''') That you are simply trying to discredit the argument or proposal. I would like to believe that you are not that petty.<br />
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:::::::"'''When I say workings I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean working. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::Please, Please, Please refrain from saying one thing, and meaning '''something else'''. If you have to instruct us to temporarily change the definition of a word to understand what you are trying to say, then I hate to be the guy to say this, but you ''''need'''' to use a more correct word, in the first place. I'm not going to think loose, broad, or encompassing just so your argument will seem 'more right', and I'm not going to refrain from discussion simply because I don't see things as you do. That's the whole point of a discussion. Be strong, be bold, and be simple, and help us chisel out a straightforward understanding among each other, and submit a contribution to the discussion, not an opinion that seemingly only has purpose to try to invalidate everyone else's. Discussion, Arguments, Conflict, for whatever term you will use to describe the clashing of ideals and perceptions, are the keys to knowledge and understanding. Never was there a greater teacher, about your opposition or about yourself, than that of conflict. Speak simply, and learn with us, and we might just have a better wiki for it.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::This isn't a fight. It's a disagreement. If you liken the two by a looser definition, specifically, that of conflict of any kind, then I will allot you that definition. That said, if you are going to invalidate all opposing arguments simply because they oppose your viewpoint, I advise you to think carefully about what kind of precedent you will be setting, and what the point of discussions are, even, if all of this is null and void next to your seemingly supreme view of things. That is what I am interpreting the statement above as. The argument holds no other suggestion, condemnation, or support for the current issue and proposal, and instead appears as a simplistic, indirect dismissal of this discussions' participants' thoughts on the matter.<br />
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:::::::I mean nothing in malice, but as I said above, I '''will''' be direct, and I '''will''' use this as a discussion should be used: I will clash against your arguments, to attempt to decimate it, while fortifying my own, in the pursuit of a singular truth. I will do so with regards to rules of etiquette, and I will always allow good faith to reign over my argument, but I will challenge the possibility, and you, if you allow the possibility to become fact. This is an example. I now argue with you, as the opposition. I invite you to argue to provide rebuttal, though that goes without saying, nor does it require the invitation. It is, however, my formal declaration of good faith preceding the arguments that are likely to follow.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for many people.'''"<br />
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:::::::I do, and I believe that the discussion also does, '''need''' a comment from you. The comment is more of a reply, however. If this discussion, and all it's participants, or at least the distinct majority of the participants, does agree that the '''upgrading from GNU FDL v1.2 to GNU FDL v1.3''' is the best course of action for this wiki, will you comply?<br />
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:::::::I do not begrudge you your opinion. If you think it's silly, unnecessary, or without reason, I do not blame you. The point is, however, I am asking you that if the active user-base thinks differently, will you '''willingly put aside your opposition in favor of letting this democratic process prevail'''? I don't ask that you back down, and I don't ask that you discard your opinion, and believe that we're all right, and that you're completely wrong... but I ask if you'll respect the collective decision and assist in it's implementation? If not, then there is no reason for this discussion under such tyranny. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:56, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"''loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas''" may also mean show an understanding of ''workings''. What is a working? For example, and here is some instruction, is this "discussion" format correct? Why should anything regarding the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] (hint) happen here?<br />
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::::::::I don't want to give instruction. I don't care. You should understand wiki enough to do it correctly, so it can be discussed correctly. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::{{warning/Text}} The discussion should happen here as it is very wide-effecting. If there was a subcommittee creating a new license update proposal, it would be appropriate to have it on the GNU talk page. However, since we model our site off wikipedia, why not have a discussion like they do - on a single central location? Now, if you could just please answer the question: are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating and are not open to collaboration? --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 11:17, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::"''Have a D&D question you need answered? Not completely sure about something in D&D? Confused about certain rules?''" applies so well... Wikis work in certain ways. If you care about wiki it would be done right. Logical. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:41, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, GD. We've moved the discussion here. Now that we're in the right place, would you mind answering Hooper's question? Are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating the license and are not open to collaboration? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Another answered topic is that this discussion is unreadable in its current state. See also [[Help:Talk Pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::You've had no trouble reading and contributing up to this point. Are you going to make me reformat everyone's comments to get an answer out of you? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:48, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It shows an understanding and caring of wiki and how D&D Wiki works. There still is more to do, of course. It must be farily intuitive. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:14, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::What? What shows an understanding of how D&D wiki works? What more is there to do? What has to be intuitive? Ok, what I would like you to do is make a list of all the hoops we're going to have to jump through before we can have an honest discussion, and a vote. I'm going to tell you right now that there is no active user on this wiki, except maybe you, that understands and cares more about wikis and D&D wiki than I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:20, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may show the understanding of how the wiki works, as you say, but the fact that you continue to dodge the question and are forcing the community to jump through hoops is degrading, not only to this wiki, but also to your own reputation. Under a level of triviality and, dare I say it, stubbornness, this wiki cannot help but be doomed. I've asked you to assume the mantle of a leader, and to do as a leader would do; Accept the views of your community, or at least what remains of it, and answer one, simple question: '''Will you allow this democratic process to prevail''', regardless of the outcome? Honestly, I feel that your behavior is beginning to resemble a level of uncooperative nature that we will simply be forced to wait until it is out of your hands, though I won't say what that means. <br />
:::Is this no longer a wiki? Where the collective of editors believe in majority consensus on issues of controversy? Is this your last gasp in authoritarian style, struggling to reign in and impose obstacles on people simply because they disagree with you? You claim so much importance in all these trivialities and simple ''necessities'' in order for you to even acknowledge this argument, and yet you don't care enough to implement them yourself, or even take our arguments in good faith, the key ideals of wikis everywhere? Instead, you appear purposefully avoid the question, avoid the argument, and seem to imply, by actions and statements, that a vote we carry out would have no meaning to you. I am sorry to say, but if that is how you will operate, then I cannot say that I can respect you as an administrator. This issue will resolve itself, in time, and for the better, likely with or without you. I am sorry that you do not seem to be interested in participating in a manner befitting that of this website. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::I would answer, however this has already been answered. This question I will answer on [[Meta Pages]] as it was very loosely defined before. As I was saying something which shows an understanding of D&D Wiki is a must. Should anyone get people to do what they want just because they are human? A level of irrelevancy exists, and it must in wikis.<br />
::::It's answers like these annoy people. Can anyone read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus Consensus]? Does anyone care? Has anyone looked into this? Why do I have to explain this. If leaders did this (for example) Obama would have zero time away from answering irrelevant letters. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:06, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Alright. I know all about consensus. I was raised Quaker; Consensus is our thing. First thing we've got to do is have everyone simply and clearly state what their feelings are with the current situation. Don't speak for anyone else, and don't make references to other's opinions. After we all discuss our opinions, we go around and cite facts (in this case, in the forms of links) that cover everyone's problems with the current situation, and potential solutions. I'll start: <br />
:::::I feel that the current license (v1.2) is inadequate for our needs, and a new license (v1.3) would be better suited for our needs. There are special sections of v1.3 that are designed for multi-user websites, like our wiki. I feel that an upgrade would better suit the wiki in the long term, and would cut down on a number of arguments we have been having. <br />
:::::Who would like to go next? Remember, we're just stating our opinions right now, so no talking about other people or their opinions, just your own feelings. Don't even say things like "I disagree/agree with ____" as that isn't the point of consensus. If someone has already voiced the same opinion as you, you may remain quiet. Consensus is assumed when there's no evidence of disagreement. You are free to re-join the discussion at any point, of course, if you feel you have something more to add. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I feel that the current license is adequate. 1.3 was designed (as far as I can tell) for Wikipedia's desire to multi-licesne everything. I feel that making things simpler rather then confusing is better for users. I also understand that licensing situations are as easy as applying a template to fix (for compliance with the current licesne; if that is what is being discussed). Like [[Template:OGL Top]], [[Template:OGL Bottom]], [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]], and [[Template:Cc-by-nc-sa]]. Saying there is a problem adding templates for compliance issues is like saying there is a problem with editing.<br />
::::::I would also appreciate if the entire discussion was moved (that which relates here from where it was started) as well as pags which are leftover are removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:00, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. If anyone else has anything they'd like to add, feel free to do so. If no one has anything else to add, at this time tomorrow we should begin to provide links to better explain our problems, as well as our solutions. If anyone is, for any reason, unable to add to this conversation, [[Special:EmailUser/Badger|I'm sure they can think of a way to get their voice heard]]. Like I said, we'll start addressing complaints this time tomorrow (naturally, we can push this back if we feel we need more time on this first step, as it is perhaps the most important). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:09, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::With permission, I am adding the below text on behalf of Hooper: <!---If anyone objects to this, you can message Hooper to confirm----><br />
::::::::"I personally believe that GNU 1.3 is best for D&D Wiki's future. This is because it was specifically designed to close previous gaps between CC-BY-SA and 1.2. I believe that expecting users to intuitively know to post a template on their FIRST edit to a page they want licensed outside GNU is not realistic, as we can't even get most novice users to understand our basic naming identifiers and tags. This means that our current template situation is actually more complicated.<br />
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::::::::Additionally, GNU 1.3 exemptions were made specifically for collaborative projects - like wikis. Additionally, some of the text in the GNU 1.3 is more clearly written (instead of in "legalese") and will help solidify the correct understanding of author's rights to all our members." --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 19:28, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Truly, I believe that progressing towards GNU FDL 1.3 would be in the best interest for the wiki. This is because the 1.3 license is the improved and revised form of GNU FDL 1.2, the site's current license, which is currently obsolete. It is my personal opinion that our duties regarding the upkeep and maintenance of this site extend to our license. Even if it were only symbolic, the upgrade is necessary because lack of vigilance and proper administration, especially on such important, legal issues, must be avoided.<br />
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:::::::::The license provides even more reason than simple vigilance, as well. v1.2 has a notable history of conflict, involving this site and many others; It was because of this reason that it was further revised and appended into what is now GNU FDL v1.3. The current revision was designed for wikis and similar projects, and therefore it addresses many of the issues that were present under v1.2, such as compatibility with other licenses, and a welcomed transition to more '''plain''' speak, which, while subjective in terms of significance, is something I believe will lead to far less conflicting interpretations in the future. Perhaps most of all, the exemptions present that deal with projects like this very wiki, present the greatest benefit to our community and its cohesion. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:21, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::The changes can be seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=533144 here]. I change my stance.<br />
::::::::::Why not?<br />
::::::::::Simplicity, yes, will be harmed a bit. We must implement a policy on [[Meta Pages]] that content it licensed as it is. If someone desires to change the licensing they must do it at the creation of the page or request it (or something). A little more confusion, but it should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Simplicity could be maintained if we were willing to have all content be dual-licensed under GNU-FDL v1.3 as well as CC-BY-SA (which, if I'm not mistaken, is how Wikipedia does it). That way pretty much everything would be covered. We could put a note at the bottom of the edit window (where current copyright information is) that says "if you choose to license this under additional, fewer, or different licenses, please see an administrator before uploading your content. Most people would probably be fine with this and allow dual-licensing. It would be the best way to help people license their content under another license. If you would prefer, we could dedicate an particluar admin to handle licensing arrangements on top of their other duties(and I would be more than willing to handle this). We could work out what licenses were ok, and how to go about licensing things, and then it'd be as easy as having a user leave a message to an admin that says "I would like to license my content under licenses 1, 2, 4 and 5", and one of us could swoop in and add the correct templates to the page. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:02, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::#It would be close to admitting that licensing is up to the author, not the website owner, which is COMPLETELY incorrect. By posting this, for example, I have given away all rights for what I have produced and cannot claim any intellectual ownership for my ideas.<br />
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::::::::::::In summary, I hope you all rethink your stance on this licence change. Please. Think of the lulz to be had. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:17, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Please read the diff.<br />
:::::::::::::"''You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except as expressly provided under this License. Any attempt otherwise to copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute it is void, and will automatically terminate your rights under this License.''"<br />
:::::::::::::The other point of interest to this... whatever... is<br />
:::::::::::::"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
:::::::::::::No, things are licensed. This has been discussed multiple times and every major website says the same thing. An internet myth is not correct because of your desires. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:39, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::I agree. Things licensed they are. We have multiple times gone over this discussion of major websites. The internet myth is what I'm saying.<br />
::::::::::::::"''An MMC is "eligible for relicensing" if it is licensed under this License, and if all works that were first published under this License somewhere other than this MMC, and subsequently incorporated in whole or in part into the MMC, (1) had no cover texts or invariant sections, and (2) were thus incorporated prior to November 1, 2008.''"<br />
::::::::::::::means that we can't relicense anything after November 1, 2008. The same page is great to be on. My desires are the same as yours. Maybe my point wasn't enough clear. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:44, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:GNU_Free_Documentation_License_1.3&diff=533153Talk:GNU Free Documentation License 1.32011-08-31T02:17:09Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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==Notes==<br />
This is the GNU Free Documentation License. The license requires the posting of this license.--[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 10:57, 14 February 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Updating and Understanding D&D Wiki's License == <br />
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As this debate has spilled across numerous other pages, that are not necessarily meant for it - I've decided to try to keep all talks on one page. First, to assist everyone in understanding the license we currently have, I am providing a direct quote, which is about Wikipedia (a project we model our licensing and policies after), and it is in regards to when a poster contributes original material (which is what most of our stuff is):<br />
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'''"...you own the copyright to the material, for instance because you produced it yourself..."''', begins the section - then it breaks away for a moment for other possible contributors (which are not related to our userbase - though it fits our OGL stuff - which is already properly acknowledged) and continues '''"In the first case, you retain copyright to your materials. You can later republish and relicense them in any way you like."'''<br />
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Now, most of our user base understands this. But let me put it simply: the legal authorities state that if you created the homebrew content, when you license it here you still retain full rights, and may re-license it any way you wish. However, do be aware that '''"...you can never retract licensing for the versions you placed here."''' This is why, after the former site split - content the authors created was allowed to be moved, but not deleted from here. It was legally appropriate for both forks. Anyways, with that in mind hopefully we can all move past the "other sites are breaking the law/license" fallacy.<br />
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Now, I propose that we update our license, as is legally allowed, to GNU's most up to date license release - with an understanding that we will continually update it should GNU create a newer license. The guys behind these licenses are experts in their field, more so than any of us - and if they release a new one, we should take heed. Especially since they keep wikis in mind when creating them. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 08:53, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:'''Support''' I agree with Hooper's suggestion, not only because this would solve far more problems than it would create, but also because of the later point made: GNU FDL, no matter which version, is understood by it's creators far better than any other individual or entity. If they seek to update/improve/upgrade the license, then we would do well to consider doing so, as well, because let's face it: If the creator's of the license can improve on it, then we can benefit from the newer, improved license, instead of the older, obsolete and apparently flawed license. That's just simple rational procedure.<br />
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:The benefit of doing so is simply made more visible by recent issues and discussions, of which, this upgrade will also alleviate. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]]10:16, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::'''Support''' I support the notion of updating our license. However, more to the point, if we're smart about it, we'll only have to update it once, but always have the best protection. GNU FDL allows you to license your content under v1.2 ''or most recent version''. If we were to have added that line, we'd currently be licensed under 1.3, and we'd up upgraded to 2.0 when that releases. I support licensing us under ''GNU FDL v1.3 or most recent'', because the upgrade from 1.2 to 1.3 was designed specifically for wikis, and we will constantly be getting the most recent (and therefore best) version of their licenses. <br />
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::I'll be completely honest, I don't like having this debate. From my participation in the last 20 incarnations of this discussion you might get the impression I enjoy fighting about licenses, but I'd much rather be arguing about the balance of the latest class that was added, or how to write mechanics for water-bending. I'd love to just settle this, and then let D&D wiki be about D&D. That's why I come here anyway. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:34, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this. When I say ''workings'' I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean ''working''. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will ''not'' be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.<br />
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:::I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for ''many'' people. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:31, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::GD, with all due respect, your comment above is very vague, and hard to follow. {{Warning/Text}} You are not getting your message across clearly. In the debt collection industry we have a term called the '''"least sophisticated individual."''' What this means is that we must always speak extremely clearly and use low-education wording and phrases to make sure that our point is understood by the person we are speaking to. With the acknowledgement that it may seem like you're having to "talk down," could you please restate what you just said above in a more clear and concise manner so that the rest of the site may be able to follow what you are trying to say. Please try to refrain from vagueness. Keep in mind that whatever it is you are referring to above as ''"already well defined"'' is obviously not as the '''entire rest of the user base''' doesn't understand your stance. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 21:54, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This I will elaborate on as it is a new aspect of the discussion. I call it "a disregarding of status quo". You (and debt people) can call it whatever you want to. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::We're just trying to have a civil discourse here, there is no need to be rude. Are you openly stating that, regardless of the feelings of the user base ''(i.e. if we hold a vote and everyone but you votes for updating the license)'' that it will not be updated? The user base deserves to know what we're getting into - whether or not this type of a decision will truly be collaborative or not. I apologize if running the site on the back-end is tasking on you. We just wish to make that easier. --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 22:10, 27 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I have a problem with your statements, Green Dragon. I can, and will always say, that while I can be direct and somewhat cold, even if I do not think I've had to do so, yet, I always attempt to place my respects where they are due, and to garner an understanding for the opposing argument. I have tried to do that with you, this time, as well, even to the point where I can somewhat understand your conflict regarding the license issue. With that said, I am going to continue:<br />
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:::::::"'''This is comparable to a stub article trying to define something which is already well defined. This is blunt, however to continue this discussion an understanding of workings must be present. This does not show this.'''"<br />
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:::::::This discussion is regarding an upgrade to GNU FDL 1.3; I can assure you that at least I understand the terms of that license, and I have faith that Hooper and Badger do, as well, given their involvement. We're not trying to define the license; You ''''might'''' be referring to the discussion on the main talk page regarding the various interpretations of GNU FDL 1.2. As I understand it, that's done. We're talking about moving on, and getting rid of 1.2 for 1.3, a license that will completely absolve that problem. This is completely communicated in Hooper's individual post.<br />
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:::::::I can only see three explanations regarding saying this: Either '''1''') You made a mistake interpreting main purpose of this discussion. '''2''') You have a disagreement regarding the second and third paragraphs of the original statement, in which case, I would ask that instead of just saying the equivalent of 'You don't know what you're talking about' and getting nowhere, that you abide by your own advice; Do this 'correctly', by pointing out, quoting if necessary, what you have a problem with, and clearly explaining why you believe it is incorrect. Granted, this is an extraneous argument regarding the proposal to upgrade to 1.3, but at least explain your ideas and assertions instead of just blatantly writing off our own as 'wrong'. That, I must say, is incredibly rude. '''3''') That you are simply trying to discredit the argument or proposal. I would like to believe that you are not that petty.<br />
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:::::::"'''When I say workings I mean it in the loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas and procedures and I do not mean working. Think abstract, think about this and get back to D&D Wiki when this is "correct" in all workings. Such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::Please, Please, Please refrain from saying one thing, and meaning '''something else'''. If you have to instruct us to temporarily change the definition of a word to understand what you are trying to say, then I hate to be the guy to say this, but you ''''need'''' to use a more correct word, in the first place. I'm not going to think loose, broad, or encompassing just so your argument will seem 'more right', and I'm not going to refrain from discussion simply because I don't see things as you do. That's the whole point of a discussion. Be strong, be bold, and be simple, and help us chisel out a straightforward understanding among each other, and submit a contribution to the discussion, not an opinion that seemingly only has purpose to try to invalidate everyone else's. Discussion, Arguments, Conflict, for whatever term you will use to describe the clashing of ideals and perceptions, are the keys to knowledge and understanding. Never was there a greater teacher, about your opposition or about yourself, than that of conflict. Speak simply, and learn with us, and we might just have a better wiki for it.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will not comment unless this is done correctly. If someone starts a "fight" (for a lack of a better term), I will not respond. This is not because I do not case, however because such a discussion will not be defined by something with a lack of knowledge.'''"<br />
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:::::::This isn't a fight. It's a disagreement. If you liken the two by a looser definition, specifically, that of conflict of any kind, then I will allot you that definition. That said, if you are going to invalidate all opposing arguments simply because they oppose your viewpoint, I advise you to think carefully about what kind of precedent you will be setting, and what the point of discussions are, even, if all of this is null and void next to your seemingly supreme view of things. That is what I am interpreting the statement above as. The argument holds no other suggestion, condemnation, or support for the current issue and proposal, and instead appears as a simplistic, indirect dismissal of this discussions' participants' thoughts on the matter.<br />
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:::::::I mean nothing in malice, but as I said above, I '''will''' be direct, and I '''will''' use this as a discussion should be used: I will clash against your arguments, to attempt to decimate it, while fortifying my own, in the pursuit of a singular truth. I will do so with regards to rules of etiquette, and I will always allow good faith to reign over my argument, but I will challenge the possibility, and you, if you allow the possibility to become fact. This is an example. I now argue with you, as the opposition. I invite you to argue to provide rebuttal, though that goes without saying, nor does it require the invitation. It is, however, my formal declaration of good faith preceding the arguments that are likely to follow.<br />
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:::::::"'''I will comment when something (or somethings, depending) are done correctly. Of course you have no need for my comments in this matter. My reasoning is because I understand things can be difficult to do correctly for many people.'''"<br />
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:::::::I do, and I believe that the discussion also does, '''need''' a comment from you. The comment is more of a reply, however. If this discussion, and all it's participants, or at least the distinct majority of the participants, does agree that the '''upgrading from GNU FDL v1.2 to GNU FDL v1.3''' is the best course of action for this wiki, will you comply?<br />
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:::::::I do not begrudge you your opinion. If you think it's silly, unnecessary, or without reason, I do not blame you. The point is, however, I am asking you that if the active user-base thinks differently, will you '''willingly put aside your opposition in favor of letting this democratic process prevail'''? I don't ask that you back down, and I don't ask that you discard your opinion, and believe that we're all right, and that you're completely wrong... but I ask if you'll respect the collective decision and assist in it's implementation? If not, then there is no reason for this discussion under such tyranny. --[[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 07:56, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"''loosest broadest sense encompassing multiple areas''" may also mean show an understanding of ''workings''. What is a working? For example, and here is some instruction, is this "discussion" format correct? Why should anything regarding the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] (hint) happen here?<br />
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::::::::I don't want to give instruction. I don't care. You should understand wiki enough to do it correctly, so it can be discussed correctly. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::{{warning/Text}} The discussion should happen here as it is very wide-effecting. If there was a subcommittee creating a new license update proposal, it would be appropriate to have it on the GNU talk page. However, since we model our site off wikipedia, why not have a discussion like they do - on a single central location? Now, if you could just please answer the question: are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating and are not open to collaboration? --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 11:17, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::"''Have a D&D question you need answered? Not completely sure about something in D&D? Confused about certain rules?''" applies so well... Wikis work in certain ways. If you care about wiki it would be done right. Logical. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:41, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, GD. We've moved the discussion here. Now that we're in the right place, would you mind answering Hooper's question? Are you willing to let the democratic process prevail, or have you already decided against updating the license and are not open to collaboration? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:01, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Another answered topic is that this discussion is unreadable in its current state. See also [[Help:Talk Pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:46, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::You've had no trouble reading and contributing up to this point. Are you going to make me reformat everyone's comments to get an answer out of you? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:48, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:It shows an understanding and caring of wiki and how D&D Wiki works. There still is more to do, of course. It must be farily intuitive. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:14, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::What? What shows an understanding of how D&D wiki works? What more is there to do? What has to be intuitive? Ok, what I would like you to do is make a list of all the hoops we're going to have to jump through before we can have an honest discussion, and a vote. I'm going to tell you right now that there is no active user on this wiki, except maybe you, that understands and cares more about wikis and D&D wiki than I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:20, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may show the understanding of how the wiki works, as you say, but the fact that you continue to dodge the question and are forcing the community to jump through hoops is degrading, not only to this wiki, but also to your own reputation. Under a level of triviality and, dare I say it, stubbornness, this wiki cannot help but be doomed. I've asked you to assume the mantle of a leader, and to do as a leader would do; Accept the views of your community, or at least what remains of it, and answer one, simple question: '''Will you allow this democratic process to prevail''', regardless of the outcome? Honestly, I feel that your behavior is beginning to resemble a level of uncooperative nature that we will simply be forced to wait until it is out of your hands, though I won't say what that means. <br />
:::Is this no longer a wiki? Where the collective of editors believe in majority consensus on issues of controversy? Is this your last gasp in authoritarian style, struggling to reign in and impose obstacles on people simply because they disagree with you? You claim so much importance in all these trivialities and simple ''necessities'' in order for you to even acknowledge this argument, and yet you don't care enough to implement them yourself, or even take our arguments in good faith, the key ideals of wikis everywhere? Instead, you appear purposefully avoid the question, avoid the argument, and seem to imply, by actions and statements, that a vote we carry out would have no meaning to you. I am sorry to say, but if that is how you will operate, then I cannot say that I can respect you as an administrator. This issue will resolve itself, in time, and for the better, likely with or without you. I am sorry that you do not seem to be interested in participating in a manner befitting that of this website. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 17:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::I would answer, however this has already been answered. This question I will answer on [[Meta Pages]] as it was very loosely defined before. As I was saying something which shows an understanding of D&D Wiki is a must. Should anyone get people to do what they want just because they are human? A level of irrelevancy exists, and it must in wikis.<br />
::::It's answers like these annoy people. Can anyone read [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus Consensus]? Does anyone care? Has anyone looked into this? Why do I have to explain this. If leaders did this (for example) Obama would have zero time away from answering irrelevant letters. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:06, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Alright. I know all about consensus. I was raised Quaker; Consensus is our thing. First thing we've got to do is have everyone simply and clearly state what their feelings are with the current situation. Don't speak for anyone else, and don't make references to other's opinions. After we all discuss our opinions, we go around and cite facts (in this case, in the forms of links) that cover everyone's problems with the current situation, and potential solutions. I'll start: <br />
:::::I feel that the current license (v1.2) is inadequate for our needs, and a new license (v1.3) would be better suited for our needs. There are special sections of v1.3 that are designed for multi-user websites, like our wiki. I feel that an upgrade would better suit the wiki in the long term, and would cut down on a number of arguments we have been having. <br />
:::::Who would like to go next? Remember, we're just stating our opinions right now, so no talking about other people or their opinions, just your own feelings. Don't even say things like "I disagree/agree with ____" as that isn't the point of consensus. If someone has already voiced the same opinion as you, you may remain quiet. Consensus is assumed when there's no evidence of disagreement. You are free to re-join the discussion at any point, of course, if you feel you have something more to add. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:58, 28 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I feel that the current license is adequate. 1.3 was designed (as far as I can tell) for Wikipedia's desire to multi-licesne everything. I feel that making things simpler rather then confusing is better for users. I also understand that licensing situations are as easy as applying a template to fix (for compliance with the current licesne; if that is what is being discussed). Like [[Template:OGL Top]], [[Template:OGL Bottom]], [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]], and [[Template:Cc-by-nc-sa]]. Saying there is a problem adding templates for compliance issues is like saying there is a problem with editing.<br />
::::::I would also appreciate if the entire discussion was moved (that which relates here from where it was started) as well as pags which are leftover are removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:00, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. If anyone else has anything they'd like to add, feel free to do so. If no one has anything else to add, at this time tomorrow we should begin to provide links to better explain our problems, as well as our solutions. If anyone is, for any reason, unable to add to this conversation, [[Special:EmailUser/Badger|I'm sure they can think of a way to get their voice heard]]. Like I said, we'll start addressing complaints this time tomorrow (naturally, we can push this back if we feel we need more time on this first step, as it is perhaps the most important). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:09, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::With permission, I am adding the below text on behalf of Hooper: <!---If anyone objects to this, you can message Hooper to confirm----><br />
::::::::"I personally believe that GNU 1.3 is best for D&D Wiki's future. This is because it was specifically designed to close previous gaps between CC-BY-SA and 1.2. I believe that expecting users to intuitively know to post a template on their FIRST edit to a page they want licensed outside GNU is not realistic, as we can't even get most novice users to understand our basic naming identifiers and tags. This means that our current template situation is actually more complicated.<br />
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::::::::Additionally, GNU 1.3 exemptions were made specifically for collaborative projects - like wikis. Additionally, some of the text in the GNU 1.3 is more clearly written (instead of in "legalese") and will help solidify the correct understanding of author's rights to all our members." --{{User:Hooper/autosig2}} 19:28, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Truly, I believe that progressing towards GNU FDL 1.3 would be in the best interest for the wiki. This is because the 1.3 license is the improved and revised form of GNU FDL 1.2, the site's current license, which is currently obsolete. It is my personal opinion that our duties regarding the upkeep and maintenance of this site extend to our license. Even if it were only symbolic, the upgrade is necessary because lack of vigilance and proper administration, especially on such important, legal issues, must be avoided.<br />
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:::::::::The license provides even more reason than simple vigilance, as well. v1.2 has a notable history of conflict, involving this site and many others; It was because of this reason that it was further revised and appended into what is now GNU FDL v1.3. The current revision was designed for wikis and similar projects, and therefore it addresses many of the issues that were present under v1.2, such as compatibility with other licenses, and a welcomed transition to more '''plain''' speak, which, while subjective in terms of significance, is something I believe will lead to far less conflicting interpretations in the future. Perhaps most of all, the exemptions present that deal with projects like this very wiki, present the greatest benefit to our community and its cohesion. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:21, 29 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::The changes can be seen [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=533144 here]. I change my stance.<br />
::::::::::Why not?<br />
::::::::::Simplicity, yes, will be harmed a bit. We must implement a policy on [[Meta Pages]] that content it licensed as it is. If someone desires to change the licensing they must do it at the creation of the page or request it (or something). A little more confusion, but it should be fine. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:34, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Simplicity could be maintained if we were willing to have all content be dual-licensed under GNU-FDL v1.3 as well as CC-BY-SA (which, if I'm not mistaken, is how Wikipedia does it). That way pretty much everything would be covered. We could put a note at the bottom of the edit window (where current copyright information is) that says "if you choose to license this under additional, fewer, or different licenses, please see an administrator before uploading your content. Most people would probably be fine with this and allow dual-licensing. It would be the best way to help people license their content under another license. If you would prefer, we could dedicate an particluar admin to handle licensing arrangements on top of their other duties(and I would be more than willing to handle this). We could work out what licenses were ok, and how to go about licensing things, and then it'd be as easy as having a user leave a message to an admin that says "I would like to license my content under licenses 1, 2, 4 and 5", and one of us could swoop in and add the correct templates to the page. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:02, 30 August 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::As an extremely valued member of this community, I would like to chime in. I oppose switching licensing at all, especially dual licensing, for the following reasons:<br />
::::::::::::#The EnGDlish comments (as it was described before by Badger) make for an entertaining read on a dull day. I'm not sure if it is ESL or something else, but it gives me a good laugh.<br />
::::::::::::#If there is less tension on this wiki, it will get less visits by people like me who come here periodically for the lulz.<br />
::::::::::::#Hooper got banned!<br />
::::::::::::#It would be close to admitting that licensing is up to the author, not the website owner, which is COMPLETELY incorrect. By posting this, for example, I have given away all rights for what I have produced and cannot claim any intellectual ownership for my ideas.<br />
::::::::::::#Every few months, I can come by and troll, which is something I don't do anywhere else. And being an idiotic jerk is a wonderful catharsis for me, as I'm sure my lawful evil lizard friends would agree. Don't take my trolling away from me! I might have to start trolling in chatrooms. And that is just low.<br />
::::::::::::In summary, I hope you all rethink your stance on this licence change. Please. Think of the lulz to be had. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 20:17, 30 August 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=520701Help talk:D&D Links2011-06-02T23:14:29Z<p>Aarnott: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::If by "illegal" you mean things like child porn or bootlegs, then sure, we shouldn't post there. But something that we need a team of lawyers to decide whether or not it's breaking the law (and even then, they probably wouldn't all agree)? Probably not that big of a deal. If it's clear we don't endorse it (and it is), then what's the fuss? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:10, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::According to the official GNU FDL 1.3 FAQ, 'The primary change is the addition of section 11. This new provision allows certain materials released under this license to also be used under the terms of CC-BY-SA 3.0. For more information about exactly what materials can be licensed this way, see the related questions below. As part of this change, we also introduced a new definition in section 1.<br />
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*In order to license an FDL-covered work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, a few conditions must be met:<br />
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1. The work must be available under the terms of FDL 1.3, which provides you with this permission. If the work was released under the terms of “the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2 or (at your option) any later version,” then it meets this criteria.<br />
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2. The work must not have any “Cover Texts” or “Invariant Sections.” These are optional features in all versions of the FDL.<br />
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3. If the work was originally published somewhere other than a public wiki, it must have been added to a wiki (or some other kind of web site where the general public could review and edit the materials) before November 1, 2008.<br />
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4. All FDL-covered material added to Wikipedia before November 1, 2008 satisfies these conditions.<br />
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Source: "GFDL v.1.3 FAQ", GNU Project. Free Software Foundation, n.d. Web, 27 May. 2011.<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.<br />
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:::Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.<br />
:::The rest is mostly written to Green Dragon:<br />
:::Green Dragon, you may benefit from reading the following from wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works]. Here are a few facts about the legality of this whole ordeal:<br />
:::*Creative works (ie. homebrew in this case) is the property of the author, regardless of what licenses the author decides to release it under.<br />
:::*GNU FDL applies to what people ''other than the author'' can do with the creative work. Actually, this is the case for any license. The author always owns their own creative work.<br />
:::*An author can re-release their own work under multiple licenses.<br />
:::Having established that, it is pretty clear the other wiki is not violating any laws. There is a case where the GNU FDL might take effect and that is the case of where there are multiple creative contributors (note that copyediting does not count!) and one or more the the contributors do not agree to re-release the content under the new license. I can say with a fair bit of certainty that anything that the other wiki has "taken" was created by singular authors (or at least consenting authors). If you can find ''any'' case where this is not true, I am certain that the other wiki would remove the content. From my experience, they are actually far ''more'' proactive than this website with respecting proper licensing laws (for example this website does not follow proper image licensing laws or at least isn't clear about what licensing for an image is).<br />
:::Now, just to make some things perfectly clear, Green Dragon:<br />
:::*You do not own the work of other authors.<br />
:::*You cannot sue for copyright infringement in place of other authors.<br />
:::Okay. Legality aside, let's talk about the root reason behind this. It might be a bit of speculation on my part, but someone mentioned that it seemed that you were almost ready to bury the hatchet and stop this nonsense of "don't talk about the other wiki" (that's why I'm even at this site right now). I'm certainly ready to let the past be the past, but you need to understand that it offends people when you muck around with their creative works. I honestly think that this whole business would never have got out of had if that offense wasn't made. We finally relented that, yes, you can totally not delete our creative work because we did choose to license it under FDL and that you ''might'' have grounds to remove the author box (but at this point nobody really cares anymore). And now this silly business of suing us for relicensing our own creative works?<br />
:::Well, it is a bit offensive, frankly. People don't like being told that they don't own their ideas (note: they do). So here is my point: just drop this whole nonsense about legality. You are just reigniting flames by offending the authors from the other wiki and for no real point. You have no actual legal grounds (unless we have messed up in some corner case with multiple authors, in which case it will be corrected -- just let me know). And, you know, it would be nice of you to actually keep the link here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:33, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use. You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do. Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times. Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Don't {{Warning/Text}} threats of lawsuit against this other wiki go against the general idea of open source and creative commons? --[[Special:Contributions/80.2.187.238|80.2.187.238]] 16:07, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::No. It's about adhering to the law, normally a precursor to understanding one's contribution is in good hands (democracy equates to laws with reason). And what does this have to do with open source or creative commons? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:20, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
:::::::I never said that. Please don't strawman.<br />
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:::::::"You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do."<br />
:::::::Really? You actually believe that I'm just making up things to do with authorship laws? This page from wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multi-licensing] explains quite succinctly that every single edit a user makes on a wiki is totally theirs to license. Yes. This means I can take crap I wrote an relicense it freely. That applies to anyone here. If you want some specific excerpts:<br />
::::::*"A number of users have chosen to release their contributions under some other license, or even to release their contributions into the public domain. Dual- or multi-licensing is not required or suggested by Wikipedia, but some users—for a variety of ideological or other reasons—prefer to release their contributions under a wider range of terms."<br />
::::::**Yes -- we get to choose what happens to our stuff even after the first licensing.<br />
::::::*"In general, users make their multi-licensing desires known on their user page by way of a banner or some description of their wishes"<br />
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:::::::"Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times."<br />
:::::::What answer have they given and to what?<br />
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:::::::"Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions."<br />
:::::::I assume a warning/banning? I'm the one who is coming with some actual facts and evidence to back my claims up. Or were you talking about yourself there? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:19, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Oh yeah. This too [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License]:<br />
:::::::*"These exemptions allow a GFDL-based collaborative project with multiple authors to transition to the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license '''(which would normally require the permission of every author)''', if the work satisfies several conditions" (emphasis is mine). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:25, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"However, individual contributions are not by themselves derivative works because they do not contain any of the original work, as the copyright still remains with the author. It is within one's rights to license those contributions under any terms one prefers, so long as one does it in addition to also being covered under the CC-BY-SA license." &ndash; have you read the GNU FDL v1.2? A single period in a sentence does not mean that is how it is, end of story. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:29, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Green Dragon, did they steal any work you authored? My guess is no. If no one has come to them with a legit claim of "you stole my class 'Forest Avenger'", then I suspect original authors consented to this re-licensing of their works under CC-BY-SA. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:39, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Yes, they did. Much of my work, for example, was stolen. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Considering individual contributions don't count toward "your work", as your above comment clearly indicates, I am genuinely surprised by that. I recall having to move over any of my contributions I wanted on their wiki. Can you give a specific example of a class, feat, or other page that you wrote that is on their wiki? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:55, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::[[3.5e Homebrew]] and many spells I worked on, for example. And how does my comment not indicate that also, yes, user contributions are important? And why does this matter? Why is this continuing to be discussed? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:32, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Why are we still discussing this? Because, as the page clearly states, we can continue to discuss this. Clearly some people disagree with your ruling. I am under the impression that any content on their site is there under a second license, and therefore not illegal. You've yet to provide any evidence to the contrary. You claim they stole "3.5e Homebrew". What, all of it? That is clearly untrue. Perhaps you mean the page itself? Well, their code is pretty different from ours here, I checked. A bunch of spells you worked on? Again, I notice a distinct lack of names. Furthermore, if they are spells you ''worked on'', rather than ''created'', the original author may have released them under the new license, as I have suggested is likely. This is an important distinction to make, because we are on an MMC. As your citation of the GNU FDL v1.2 clearly states "individual contributions are not by themselves derivative works because they do not contain any of the original work, as the copyright still remains with the author". This means that if I make a spelling correction on a page, I am not considered an author. If you ''worked on'' a page by formatting it a certain way, or making a minor change, you don't get to count yourself as the original author. The original author, whomever they may be, may have released their content under a new license. You'd have no way of knowing, as they aren't required to tell you about it. You've not provided any evidence of them committing a crime, but continue to accuse them of ones. That, my friend, is why we are still discussing this. <br />
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:::::::::::::On another note, if you are going to hand out warnings on this page, may I suggest you give one to Hooper for his direct rudeness to others when he called them "brutish". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Archtyper's comment is right on, as is Badger's; your allegations are not only offensive but also groundless and unprovoked. You're the one treading on risky legal ground by throwing accusations of stealing information when the original authors were well within their rights as the original creators to take their own works elsewhere under a different license. You should give yourself a warning for a change and stop making completely false and unspecified accusations in an issue where you are displaying a clearly distasteful bias towards the other party. You are only causing more problems for yourself by falsely accusing others of wrongdoings that you cannot present evidence to support. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 21:14, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::To continue this discussion you need to provide something new to the discussion. As Wikipedia and the FSF does, so does law. Please note "copyright"; "so long as one does it in addition" and please read the GNU FDL v1.2. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:36, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I think I've found the root of the problem here. Green Dragon, when you read the GNU FDL v1.2, you read this part:<br />
{{quote|You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies, '''and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of this License.'''|orig=GNU FDL v1.2, bold added for emphasis}}<br />
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:::Here's the problem: That bolded section refers to additional conditions added to the GNU FDL content. It means if it is ''only'' released under GNU FDL v1.2, then you can't add on conditions like "you must pay me a royalty for every copy sold". That line, however, '''does not''' restrict relicensing. Any content on D&D-Wiki.Org has been relicensed, and is not bound by the rules of the GNU FDL v1.2 as they are on this wiki. I'd like to end this comment as I end so many others: Nothing illegal is going on. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:18, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Did you read section 9? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I have read Section 9. The clause you are referring to states that you may have no other conditions. Relicensing does not qualify as a condition. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:00, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::What are the conditions of the new license? The FSF would not have overlooked something like this when I asked them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Considering it's not under GNU FDL v1.2 it shouldn't even matter, but here are the conditions:<br />
:::::::*You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.<br />
:::::::*If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.<br />
:::::::It's in the same spirit as the GNU FDL v1.2, but is specially designed for wikis and other MMCs. It is the standard CC-BY-SA. Really, it's the license we should be using, but that's a different discussion. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::''Discussion moved from [[User Talk:Hooper#On DnD Links and Alternate Communities]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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::::::::I ''almost'' completely agree with you. I am totally content focusing on a single wiki. I spend nearly all my time here. I only check them when we're down here. I don't see why we should pretend they don't exist, though. Sometimes we'll get a user who has a question that could be better addressed by them. In the spirit of communal nerd building, we might as well allow links. If someone wants to support a campaign over there to allow links to here, I'm guessing they'd be ok with that. They might not send a lot our way, but I doubt they'd fight links that were well placed and reasonable. -- [[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:31, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Yeah. I personally feel like saying "lets not go out of our way to co-link, but if its a common sense linkage by a user, let it be" then we should be okay. But then we get into "what defines common sense link" and all that psycho analyzation. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:13, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That is a sentiment I ''completely'' agree with. I don't expect us to include a little template at the bottom of every page with a "See this link on D&D-Wiki"; I just want to be able to answer a question on a talk page with "If you're trying to get in tough with Eiji, try his talk page <here>", with an external link, and not get banned/blocked/warned for solicitation. I don't imagine we're ever going to merge back into a single wiki, and I'm fine with that. I'm just looking at it from a community standpoint, and I want to be helpful to as many people as I can, and alienate as few as possible. It looks as if Green Dragon is realizing that is a reasonable request. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:33, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Right, but still the conditions of the two different licenses are different. I agree allowing links to them is an idea. I would be totally for it save this licensing problem. It really boils down to that if D&D Wiki allows a disregarding of the GNU FDL v1.2 then we creating confusion for users who are submitting with the GNU FDL v1.2 in mind as well as those who desire to use D&D Wiki's content. For example would the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]] have had the same results or would a serious problem have occurred? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Point of order: what exactly is the FSF you keep referring to? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::FSF is the Free Software Foundation. They are the people that created the GNU licenses (including the FDL one that this wiki uses). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 09:24, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:As for the Coin Golem, I have no idea what you're talking about. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]] was published in [[Remarkable Races Pathway to Adventure: The Numistian]] with no licensing problems. Licensing problems could lead to confusions in such instances. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:17, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Green Dragon, you mentioned that you've had some correspondence with the FSF on this matter. Would you mind emailing me that message, so I can see what they said? I think it might be possible that you are misinterpreting what they wrote in their email. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:03, 1 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::So they said exactly what we've been saying this whole time: "Until you provide a list of pages that have been stolen, there is no evidence of wrongdoing, and therefore no crime has been committed"? Despite that, do you now concede that it is totally possible to have multiple licenses? The people at FSF said very clearly that multiple licenses are legal. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:38, 1 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::No, just that until I provide a list of pages it is unknown which pages are licensed how. Now, when did FSF say that? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:30, 1 June 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Seriously, you still haven't figured this out? It's a pretty simple matter. Have you read the wikipedia page [[w:License]] yet? It explains pretty clearly how the whole system of licensing works. That is: the owner of the intellectual property (or creative work, or homebrew in this case) can license something so that others (the licencees) can avoid copyright infringement. It doesn't work in the reverse direction. That is, licenses don't restrict what the licenser can do with their intellectual property. What you are thinking of is not called a license; it's called a contract. Contracts can specifically restrict a person's implicit copyright (ie. they can work in the reverse direction of a license). The work would still have to be licensed in order for the new copyright holder to have exclusive rights to the intellectual property. I don't see how the FSF could have told you otherwise because it would simply be incorrect. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:14, 2 June 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pandlechron_(3.5e_Campaign_Setting)&diff=520691Talk:Pandlechron (3.5e Campaign Setting)2011-06-02T22:49:45Z<p>Aarnott: /* Delete? */ new section</p>
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I give it a 3. Definitely great start, looks like lots more to come. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:06, 16 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Delete? ==<br />
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I don't intend on expanding this project any more. I think it might be a good idea to delete all of the pages in this setting except, perhaps, the NPCs, which I think I did a pretty good job on. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:49, 2 June 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520375User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T23:56:31Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:<nowiki>|Text</nowiki><br><br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{quote|Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}}<br />
:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big><br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' &mdash; what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:<br />
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."<br />
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.<br />
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.<br />
:Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::It doesn't. See also the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]]. All I am saying is there is a licensing problem (as it ''is'' the GNU FDL v1.2) which undermines D&D Wiki in various ways if it is not that license. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:45, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Right. But the point of the GNU FDL is not for authors, it is for collaborators. The author is licensing a ''copy'' of their work (whatever it may be) under the GNU FDL. It is not an exclusive license. That ''copy'' must follow all the rules and regulations of the GNU FDL. If the same user decides they want to license their work under a different license, they don't have to pay any attention to the GNU FDL because they are licensing a completely separate ''copy'' -- even if the content is exactly the same. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:56, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520366User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T23:12:50Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
::::::::::;transitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
::::::::::;intransitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:<nowiki>{| class="collapsible"</nowiki><br><br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' &mdash; what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:<br />
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."<br />
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.<br />
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either in the case of "the other wiki" because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.<br />
::::::::::::::Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I think the problem is GD thinks licensing content here grants DandWiki ''exclusive'' license to the content. It doesn't. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::::Indeed. Exclusive licenses require a contract, which this website does not have. That's what I was getting to ''';)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520364User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T23:02:38Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
::::::::::;transitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
::::::::::;intransitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:<nowiki>{| class="collapsible"</nowiki><br><br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' &mdash; what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:<br />
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."<br />
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.<br />
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::I mean previously copyrighted work. And, no, submitting it here licenses it. For example: "Therefore, for any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::Previously copyrighted work is not a big deal either in the case of "the other wiki" because none of the content that was moved was copyrighted by someone who didn't hold the copyright.<br />
::::::::::::::Just to be perfectly clear: you agree the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, yes or no? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520359User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T22:46:45Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
::::::::::;transitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
::::::::::;intransitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big><br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' &mdash; what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Your not getting it. "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them", meaning that you are bound to the terms. With regard to copyrighting through the USA Copyright Office, a different scenario, was it done? And I think Wikipedia's Terms of Use cover that to some extend now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Can I link to an external site (the US Copyright Office site)? On their FAQ, you will clearly see the following text:<br />
::::::::::::"Do I have to register with your office to be protected? No. In general, registration is voluntary. Copyright exists from the moment the work is created. You will have to register, however, if you wish to bring a lawsuit for infringement of a U.S. work."<br />
::::::::::::So, I don't see what the copyright office has to do with anything.<br />
::::::::::::I totally agree that Terms of Use function in a way that makes them binding even if they are not read. But the fact of the matter is, anything I write is copyrighted (by me), and I can license that work as I see fit. You agree that the GNU FDL is a license, not a contract, right (this is a VERY important distinction)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:46, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520352User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T21:47:13Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
::::::::::;transitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
::::::::::;intransitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big><br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::'''Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!''' &mdash; what's not to understand? The adherence to the license? "you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::You aren't getting it. Whose permission is required for copyrighted work? All you are pointing out is exactly what I just said: you can't submit the copyrighted work of others'. You can totally submit your own copyrighted work because you obviously have your own permission. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520349User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T21:37:06Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
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::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{quote|Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}}<br />
:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big><br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::"D&D Wiki licenses content"<br />
::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No, your not thinking about this. How does Wikipedia do it? They are only reserved. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:14, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I will entertain your questions even though you won't answer mine. I'm not sure which terms of use you want to to explain (the old one that uses GNU FDL 1.2 or the new one that uses GNU FDL 1.3. I'll explain the one that matters<br />
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::::::::'''GNU FDL 1.2 (last revision found at [[w:Wikipedia:Terms_of_use&oldid=30325726]]):'''<br />
::::::::After all the boring text telling us that every page is protected under US copyright laws, you are bound to the terms even if you don't read them, that pages are licensed under GNU FDL 1.2, and that page histories meet the terms of the GNU FDL, there is a wonderful gem of bolded text (which I'm going to bold the important part in my quote below).<br />
::::::::"you are hereby being given notice under Title 17 USC that it is your responsibility to comply with the copyright laws in regards to this archival material and your copying it may be considered infringement ('''specifically if any of the materials being stored in those prior versions are copyrighted materials that were submitted to Wikipedia without the author/authors or copyright holder's/holders' permission(s)''')."<br />
::::::::Huh? The author has to give permission to have it put on Wikipedia? It's almost as if the author has rights to their own work! You know, like the right to license their work as they see fit. Note also that the terms of use do not have any such mention of forgoing the author's right to relicense their own work. It just talks about the fact that you can't take materials that have a copyright and add the GNU FDL license without having the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Now for the GNU FDL 1.3, there is little point in explaining because we have already determined that this wiki does not use that license anyways, but if it did, a CC-by-SA license can be added to ''other author's'' work. Yeah, if this site was GNU FDL 1.3 that would just mean that moving content and relicensing would not require the author's consent.<br />
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::::::::Attempt #4: Care to explain how you think it works (and maybe throw in some specific quotes to support your argument this time)? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:37, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520345User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T21:12:23Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
|orig=--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
|src=[[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]].<br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
|src=[[Meta Pages]]<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
|src=[[Meta Pages]]<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Wikipedia says, very clearly:<br />
{{quote|Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}}<br />
:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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FiddleSticks96 November 14 9:32pm eastern time<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
! style= "background:#71A6D2" | <big><big>Attention!</big></big><br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
|}<br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].<br />
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:::::I know. It's just an interesting story. That, though, is the only way whatever you are talking about is possible. D&D Wiki licenses content, like Wikipedia (see their Terms of Use). What's not to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:04, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::From whom? Licenses need to be granted by some entity by definition... Yes. You just argued my point for me. You still haven't explained how you think it actually works though (yes, this is my third time asking on this page alone). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:12, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520340User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T20:57:44Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
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::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
|orig=--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
|src=[[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]].<br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
|src=[[Meta Pages]]<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
|src=[[Meta Pages]]<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Wikipedia says, very clearly:<br />
{{quote|Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}}<br />
:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::It may not even be MySQL I am referring to. There is a conglomerate of companies which has a problem with previous GNU FDL licensing and now it is uncertain who owns their things. Since they used section 11 and did some version changing and things, they now have this problem. Last I saw one had to give over some billion worth in rights to the other or something along those lines. <br />
:::It just doesn't matter how people use the GNU FDL v1.2. Who cares? We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly). What the GNU FDL has been used for is not.<br />
:::I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is. Of course things like licenses are interchangeable. What's not to read? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:28, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::"There is a conglomerate of companies..."<br />
::::How does this point have anything to do with your website? Your website is not a company and you and it have no ownership over the material others put on it. You have ownership of the database and the webserver (or at least the rental agreement if you rent).<br />
::::"We go by the license and law, and that is the discussion (mostly)"<br />
::::What law? The one I showed was clearly false? Again, I ask very simply: explain how you actually think authorship and licensing works (with regard to this wiki). It seems you are either unwilling or unable to back up your claims, which isn't surprising considering that they hold no weight whatsoever.<br />
::::"I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, law is."<br />
::::Since the following sentences probably hinge on that one, I'm just going to have to ask you to rephrase it. From the way I read it: "I have said repeatedly that, similar to Wikipedia's terms of use, law is an entity that exists". Which is true... But it doesn't really say anything worthwhile. I could say something similar and it would have just as much meaning to me: I have said repeatedly that like Wikipedia's terms of use, bacon is. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:57, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
::::PS. If you really do follow wikipedia's rules, then you broke them by reverting my edit. See [[w:Wikipedia:TPO]].</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520331User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T20:10:18Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */</p>
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|section=Idea_for_half-completed_pages<br />
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|date_time=21:09, 20 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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|page=http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LA_7_Races&oldid=397215<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=22:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Green_Dragon<br />
|section=Taking Author Information off Pages<br />
|notifier=Jwguy<br />
|date_time=01:40, 6 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Detect_Disease_(3.5e_Spell)<br />
|section=Author Template<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=13:55, 6 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Detect_Disease_(3.5e_Spell)<br />
|section=Author Template<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=03:15, 4 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:SRD3e:System_Reference_Document<br />
|section=Basic Character Classes<br />
|notifier=Hooper<br />
|date_time=16:45, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Hooper/Banned_Material<br />
|section=Hugh?<br />
|notifier=Lord Dhazriel<br />
|date_time=17:57, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Jason_Bagby<br />
|section=Deletion Template on User Page<br />
|notifier=Hooper<br />
|date_time=17:05, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Admin<br />
|section=Transcribed Wizards of the Coast Online Archives<br />
|notifier=TheWarforgedArtificer<br />
|date_time=16:15, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Admin<br />
|section=Transcribed Wizards of the Coast Online Archives<br />
|notifier=TheWarforgedArtificer<br />
|date_time=16:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Deviant_(3.5e_Class)<br />
|section=Author Template<br />
|notifier=Sulacu<br />
|date_time=13:58, 28 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Knightwarrior_(3.5e_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Lord Dhazriel<br />
|date_time=21:57, 27 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Calidore_Chase<br />
|section=No longer an Admin?<br />
|notifier=Calidore Chase<br />
|date_time=12:51, 15 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:Spell<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=TheWarforgedArtificer<br />
|date_time=00:12, 8 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:Spell<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=TheWarforgedArtificer<br />
|date_time=23:58, 7 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Half-Troll_(4e_Race)<br />
|section=Formatting<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=14:57, 3 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:4e_Power<br />
|section=Strangeness<br />
|notifier=Taritus<br />
|date_time=13:40, 22 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:4e_Power<br />
|section=Strangeness<br />
|notifier=Taritus<br />
|date_time=13:39, 22 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Ironbound_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)<br />
|section=locked<br />
|notifier=GaaaaaH<br />
|date_time=04:59, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Dungeons_and_Dragons<br />
|section=DPL?<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=22:13, 24 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:4e_Artifact_Part_1<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sabreheim<br />
|date_time=21:34, 11 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Rod_of_Orcus_(4e_Artifact)<br />
|section=Template Issues<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=16:08, 11 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Green_Dragon<br />
|section=Harassment<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=07:45, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Giant_(4e_Race)<br />
|section=Response<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=07:37, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Category_talk:Martial_Adept<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=19:57, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Nature_Bound_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sabreheim<br />
|date_time=15:26, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Daunting_Assailant_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=15:46, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Regiment_(3.5e_Template)<br />
|section=Can&#39;t Access the Page Anymore<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=15:27, 6 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
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|notifier=Sabre070<br />
|date_time=21:52, 7 November 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=Moving to new MediaWiki version<br />
|notifier=Blue Dragon<br />
|date_time=13:36, 28 October 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Bodily_Relics<br />
|section=Talk:Bodily Relics?<br />
|notifier=Rithaniel<br />
|date_time=10:28, 16 October 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Abyssal_Heritor_Feats<br />
|section=DPL<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=11:08, 28 July 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Soul-Mate_(DnD_Feat)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Xdeletedx<br />
|date_time=23:03, 19 July 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Snake-Sword_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=02:07, 30 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=WYSIWYG extension<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=10:35, 20 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Snow_Silver_(3.5e_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ice Paul the III<br />
|date_time=13:21, 6 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Myrmidon_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Kisame93<br />
|date_time=08:16, 26 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=UA_talk:Variant_Rules<br />
|section=Two Complete Chapters<br />
|notifier=OptimizationFanatic<br />
|date_time=15:15, 11 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Expanded_Religions_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=Featured Article Nomination<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=07:23, 28 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Regiment_(DnD_Template)<br />
|section=Call out for help!<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=16:58, 17 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:Main_Page_FA<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=13:21, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Publishers_of_d20_and_D&amp;D_Products<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ramses IV<br />
|date_time=11:15, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Mesoamerican_Gods_and_Goddessess_(DnD_Pantheon)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ramses IV<br />
|date_time=09:59, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Marksman_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=02:30, 15 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Form_talk:DnD_Equipment/Preload<br />
|section=Problems<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=22:03, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Equipment<br />
|section=Cost and Weight<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=20:06, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Form_talk:DnD_Equipment<br />
|section=Date<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=19:42, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Catgirl/Nekomusume/Nekomimi_(DnD_Race)<br />
|section=Dogs<br />
|notifier=Xdeletedx<br />
|date_time=16:28, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Brawling_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=Sooo tired...<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=00:04, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Marksman_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=13:11, 24 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:User_Base_Classes<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sledged<br />
|date_time=14:27, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Vest_of_the_Bold_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Cronocke<br />
|date_time=05:17, 18 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Pedistal_of_Truth_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=Format Format<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=09:40, 16 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Performer_(DnD_Prestige_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Cerin616<br />
|date_time=18:22, 11 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=07:20, 5 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Paladin_Mount_from_first_level_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=09:35, 4 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Myrmidon_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=all of it<br />
|notifier=Tetsurga<br />
|date_time=17:54, 31 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Maps<br />
|section=Maybe this should be in environments after all?<br />
|notifier=EldritchNumen<br />
|date_time=12:32, 3 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Chromatic_Dwarf_(DnD_Creature)<br />
|section=Race<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:45, 1 June 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Combat_School_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:57, 21 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=MediaWiki:Sharedupload<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:01, 14 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=dndmedia:D&D_Wiki_Media_talk:Copyrights<br />
|section=Image documentation<br />
|notifier=Cuthalion<br />
|date_time=14:11, 11 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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<br />
== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::<math>F = (\frac{3.439*10^-8 ft^3}{slug*seconds^2})(\frac{4.10*10^23 slugs*.031 slugs}{20,931,758.5 ft^2}) = 1 \frac{foot*slug}{second^2} = 1 lb </math><br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
::::::::::{{quote|[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] is superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] as applicable.<br />
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::::::::::So no, they are different policy things. The edit itself and the diff are the notifications. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
::::::::::::{{quote|As a general rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:List_of_policies Wikipedia's policies] are in effect. Please use common sense with this overarching policy.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{quote|Even if misguided or ill-considered, any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia is not vandalism.}}<br />
:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks<br />
--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 15:47, 4 November 2010<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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P.S<br />
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Sorry for ranting. I do that sometimes.<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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::::::::::Do each of the variants have the same advancement as a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:43, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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:::::::::::Here is an example of a bloodline with no inherent class. The base creature gains this benefits/drawbacks in addition to the general vampire benefits/drawbacks. They do not advance any "vampire class". They simply gain these benefits and continue their existence as "normal":<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
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I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
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Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion. It's not pertinent, see also the reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:49, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::"Because it's not adding anything new to the discussion."<br />
::False. I gave an illustration of how GNU (and similarly GPL) actually works in practice and showed that the emphasis on the licenses was initially for code libraries/projects. That emphasis is a very important distinction because it provides more basis for the argument I'm making. This also provides some historical context for my argument.<br />
::I brought up how MySQL's licensing can be seen as a parallel example (actually I could have brought up Wikipedia too -- how do you think they transitioned from GPL 1.2 to GPL 1.3? Relicensing.).<br />
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::"It's not pertinent, see also the reason."<br />
::Your reason is a complete strawman argument. ie. You are attacking an argument I didn't even make. Let's examine the exact "reason" you gave:<br />
::"wrong - there is no section 11 clause to the GNU FDL v1.2 (that's the whole -i think- MSQL legal dilema)"<br />
::Now go back to what I wrote. Did I write ''anything'' about section 11? No. In fact, earlier I already explained that section 11 does not apply in this case because this wiki is under GNU FDL 1.2 (the exact thing I said was "Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.", see the context).<br />
::Also, you "think" that is the whole "MSQL legal dilema", but I never even said that this has anything to do at all with MySQL's legal dilemma. I was strictly comparing the fact that MySQL was able to transition to a dual license to authorship as a concept.<br />
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::And, just to be a bit cheeky: you censored a well-written post meant to explain in detail my stance in a discussion. The whole point of that post was because you clearly were not responding intelligibly to what I had written earlier, so it seemed necessary to go into more detail. That's a pretty standard thing in a discussion. Elaborating on a point when the other party doesn't seem to understand.<br />
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::What I'd like to hear is how you think authorship and licensing actually works. All you've done is say that others are wrong, but you have yet to provide any evidence to back up your claims. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:10, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=520329User talk:Green Dragon2011-05-30T19:44:49Z<p>Aarnott: /* Edit Revert? */ new section</p>
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|page=Talk:Dungeons_and_Dragons<br />
|section=DPL?<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=22:13, 24 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:4e_Artifact_Part_1<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sabreheim<br />
|date_time=21:34, 11 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Rod_of_Orcus_(4e_Artifact)<br />
|section=Template Issues<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=16:08, 11 June 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=User_talk:Green_Dragon<br />
|section=Harassment<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=07:45, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Giant_(4e_Race)<br />
|section=Response<br />
|notifier=Sepsis<br />
|date_time=07:37, 31 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Category_talk:Martial_Adept<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=19:57, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Nature_Bound_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sabreheim<br />
|date_time=15:26, 28 May 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Daunting_Assailant_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Daniel Draco<br />
|date_time=15:46, 8 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Regiment_(3.5e_Template)<br />
|section=Can&#39;t Access the Page Anymore<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=15:27, 6 April 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:Weapon_Desc<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sabre070<br />
|date_time=21:52, 7 November 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=Moving to new MediaWiki version<br />
|notifier=Blue Dragon<br />
|date_time=13:36, 28 October 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Bodily_Relics<br />
|section=Talk:Bodily Relics?<br />
|notifier=Rithaniel<br />
|date_time=10:28, 16 October 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Abyssal_Heritor_Feats<br />
|section=DPL<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=11:08, 28 July 2008 (MDT)<br />
}}<br />
{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Soul-Mate_(DnD_Feat)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Xdeletedx<br />
|date_time=23:03, 19 July 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Snake-Sword_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=02:07, 30 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=WYSIWYG extension<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=10:35, 20 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Snow_Silver_(3.5e_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ice Paul the III<br />
|date_time=13:21, 6 June 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Myrmidon_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Kisame93<br />
|date_time=08:16, 26 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=UA_talk:Variant_Rules<br />
|section=Two Complete Chapters<br />
|notifier=OptimizationFanatic<br />
|date_time=15:15, 11 May 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Expanded_Religions_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=Featured Article Nomination<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=07:23, 28 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Regiment_(DnD_Template)<br />
|section=Call out for help!<br />
|notifier=Aarnott<br />
|date_time=16:58, 17 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Template_talk:Main_Page_FA<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=13:21, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Publishers_of_d20_and_D&amp;D_Products<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ramses IV<br />
|date_time=11:15, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Mesoamerican_Gods_and_Goddessess_(DnD_Pantheon)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Ramses IV<br />
|date_time=09:59, 16 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
}}<br />
{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Marksman_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=02:30, 15 March 2008 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Form_talk:DnD_Equipment/Preload<br />
|section=Problems<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=22:03, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Equipment<br />
|section=Cost and Weight<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=20:06, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Form_talk:DnD_Equipment<br />
|section=Date<br />
|notifier=Hawk<br />
|date_time=19:42, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Catgirl/Nekomusume/Nekomimi_(DnD_Race)<br />
|section=Dogs<br />
|notifier=Xdeletedx<br />
|date_time=16:28, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Brawling_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=Sooo tired...<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=00:04, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Marksman_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Eiji<br />
|date_time=13:11, 24 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:User_Base_Classes<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sledged<br />
|date_time=14:27, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Vest_of_the_Bold_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Cronocke<br />
|date_time=05:17, 18 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Pedistal_of_Truth_(DnD_Equipment)<br />
|section=Format Format<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=09:40, 16 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Performer_(DnD_Prestige_Class)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Cerin616<br />
|date_time=18:22, 11 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Main_Page<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=07:20, 5 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Paladin_Mount_from_first_level_(DnD_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Sam Kay<br />
|date_time=09:35, 4 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Myrmidon_(DnD_Class)<br />
|section=all of it<br />
|notifier=Tetsurga<br />
|date_time=17:54, 31 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:DnD_Maps<br />
|section=Maybe this should be in environments after all?<br />
|notifier=EldritchNumen<br />
|date_time=12:32, 3 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Talk:Chromatic_Dwarf_(DnD_Creature)<br />
|section=Race<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:45, 1 June 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=Combat_School_(3.5e_Variant_Rule)<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:57, 21 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=MediaWiki:Sharedupload<br />
|section=<br />
|notifier=Green Dragon<br />
|date_time=23:01, 14 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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{{MoI-Row<br />
|page=dndmedia:D&D_Wiki_Media_talk:Copyrights<br />
|section=Image documentation<br />
|notifier=Cuthalion<br />
|date_time=14:11, 11 May 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Media's Upload File ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<code><tt>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>(SQL query hidden)</tt></code><br />
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<code><tt>from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</tt></code><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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I would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
<br />
I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Unofficial Errata ==<br />
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I had a discussion on the WotC boards about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). D&D Wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavor.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed here, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers. Adriaan Renting. {{Unsigned|192.87.1.200|13:11, 19 March 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Help Talk Pages ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Help talk:Talk Pages#Subject/Headline]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:37, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Class White Guard ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:White Guard (3.5e Class)#Protection]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:43, 10 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Rule Negative Level Adjustment ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Negative Level Adjustment (3.5e Variant Rule)#April Fools & Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:56, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template Delete ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:Delete/why#Goal]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
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::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Template DnD Prestige Class Infobox ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Template talk:DnD Prestige Class Infobox#Authors and Adopters Parameters]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 11 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::::I'm also not sure what kind of technical expertise we need. We can easily (bonus: freely) have an IRC channel set up on a free host, so there's no expert even required. All you'd need is an admin or two to /ban troublemakers... though I hardly doubt that will be a problem anyway. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:15, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::ReCaptcha was not working for edits, just account-related pages. It should now be working for edits too, and please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::<math>F = (\frac{3.439*10^-8 ft^3}{slug*seconds^2})(\frac{4.10*10^23 slugs*.031 slugs}{20,931,758.5 ft^2}) = 1 \frac{foot*slug}{second^2} = 1 lb </math><br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Never mind. I think I figured it out from the 2 Player's handbooks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:07, 23 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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just hypotheticly, could you upload videos?<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Please note you supplied an external link, and then desired users to find it once again. And links are something, "what is a link?" - it has a purpose.<br />
::Revision histories have been "cleaned" - see also [[Talk:Meta Pages]], [[Talk:Main Page]]. If enough problems exist, it is considered.<br />
::And The Tavern software, no matter the software, was specific to D&D Wiki. Re-opening the tavern implies a ''D&D Wiki'' tavern. This is understandable. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::Are we seriously fighting about this again? Why does it matter? Tons of users have links to other wikis they collaborate on, or links to sites they find helpful. Those go uncensored. If I picked 3 random editors from the recent edits, and checked their user pages I can guarantee they have links to external D&D sites. Are you seriously going to say that no external links are allowed? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:37, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::It's solicitation, ya (although not redundant). They really should discuss on [[DnD Links]] and get the good ones put there. And if it is a beneficial recourse to D&D Wiki that would have to be discussed to. Why did I notice this in particular? Because it's a very blatant user redirection and done in redundancy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:20, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::So you're telling me if a user blatantly advertises another site that isn't listed on [[DnD Links]] it should be removed for solicitation? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:17, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ya ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking - more too). But who checks all the time? And I just remove them when I come across them (mostly), however when a user redundantly does it after it has been changed based off policies ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking) it becomes a serious potential problem, and may result in bans like [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]]. Do you see where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:58, 30 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Is there not a difference between "solicitation" (a policy which is, at best, arbitrarily enforced, and, at worst, enforced with serious bias), and complaining about censorship of said solicitation? Aarnott was banned for solicitation, and, while I understand he's been warned about this in the past (though not [[Warning_Policy|officially]]), he was not banned until ''after'' he complained about censorship. This does not seem right to me. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:27, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The official reason Aarnott was banned was because of "Spamming links to external sites (not getting it and continuing soliciting)". Meaning that Aarnott spammed links to external links and then after being told about his actions redundantly continued. Why is this the reason? Since it is true and follows policies and things which the administration can operate through.<br />
::::::::I assume you are asking for the more normal reason, e.g. a colloquial reason. Being censored does not mean one is going to be banned, it just means one should not continue with the problem activity. Aarnott solicited, was warned (through censorship), solicited again on Aarnott's user talk &mdash; the diff, which leads onward, was warned (through undo), and then solicited again twice here. What is too much? To me I see it as we have no time for such behavior &mdash; policies exist for a reason (ask Wikipedia?) and one disregarding them because he/she wants to is not a reason. It's like a virus. As such the administration should operate under such principles. Just my way of looking at it. Does this answer any questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:59, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Are you suggesting that mentioning the website mibbit counts as soliciting? Aarnott had nothing to gain by suggesting it, and we were looking for suggestions and alternate hosting choices. I've mentioned Freenode several times in several tavern discussions, and there has never been a problem there. Mibbit and Freenode are essentially the same service. Also, if you don't technically warn him, I don't think it's fair to punish him as if you had. If you had issued a warning, per the warning policy you established, it's possible that he would have stopped. Furthermore, you've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:21, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Giving a specific link to one, not to a service, definitely is.<br />
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:::::::::::If the edit and the diff are the notifications, why does the warning policy exist? How can [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility] be superseded by the [[Warning Policy]] if the only thing the warning policy says is "See Civility"? Also, you didn't address the second half of my comment. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:00, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Because civility is just ''one'' policy on Wikipedia.<br />
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::::::::::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking has nothing to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Civility Wikipedia:Civility]. If you have input into this this is not the place for it, please ask it on [[Talk:Meta Pages]].<br />
::::::::::::The policies answer the bottom part of your comment. If not more information would be appreciated so I could answer them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:07, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::If we replace "encyclopedia" with "Dandwiki Community", surely you agree that is exactly what he did. That's why I will ask this again: "You've listed 4 incidents where he was "soliciting". Assuming you warned him separately for every single instance he should only be banned for 1 week, not 6 months". Why is he banned for 6 months? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:19, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:The gray line. Ya, but he should have listed providers like you did above (note, no censorship there). Banning lengths are only for the warning policy, this is the policy thing again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:25, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::So then you feel that a 6 month ban is an appropriate punishment for making multiple links to external sites? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:29, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't feel it is appropriate? One should understand that when the administration does something (e.g. censorship) it has a reason, and the opposition of that reason (not in discussion, in more vandalism) is the wrong action. Some recent IP's have been banned for a year for doing vandalism multiple times. It's following the same trajectory... Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:09, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::Aarnott isn't some faceless IP just here to make trouble. You banned him before he could even have a proper discussion. Comparing him to recent IPs spamming pages about boots or whatever else is insulting to him. He was, at one point, an administrator on this site. Personally, I think letting him stick around long enough to have this discussion would have been best, and then banned him for some period of time, not more than a month. Honestly, if you had let him say his piece in this discussion I doubt he'd even need to be banned. Banning isn't meant to be a punishment, it's meant to stop future problems before they can happen. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(Edit Conflict) I'd consider a named user linking to sites that he genuinely finds helpful and thinks will be helpful to the community significantly different than an anonymous person intentionally vandalizing by deleting content or adding vulgar or unproductive material. While he has been warned before, I think there's a pretty significant jump between an implied, indirect verbal warning and a 6-month block. There should probably be some escalation in between there. There's another block on his account, but it seems to be unrelated to this issue. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 18:22, 31 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Aarnott's comments to the matter (removed through censorship) I do not think can be considered in the way you want them to be.<br />
::::::[[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] just banned an IP (violated same policy) for infinity. Given the circumstances (user ''has'' been in good standing before) I guess I can change it to 3 months. People need to learn the policies, and banning is meant as a way of getting that done. So, although banning is not a punishment, it has a use for ''after incidents'' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:54, 2 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::No I didn't. I blocked someone who is part of a long-term scheme of placing blatant advertisements for a certain brand of footwear which is unrelated to D&D (and let's face it -- probably unused by most D&D players anyway). The user had no contributions that weren't entirely spam. I may have used the same reason in the drop down box, but that doesn't mean I blocked him for the same reason. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:29, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Sorry, the violation of the same policy. I modified it above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:32, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Despotism strikes again! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:58, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Wikipedia's policies are beneficial, although to the stage of despotism I do not think they are there. They are more a needed tool for D&D Wiki to function, not so much a despotism rule. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:01, 5 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It's interesting how they are only a much-needed tool here. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 18:02, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::I have to agree. I don't think any of these links removed because of solicitation of D&D-resource sites caused this wiki to function at a lower level. Removal of spam, sure, but I don't see the need to delete links to other D&D resources. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::There's [[DnD Links]] for that, ya. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:52, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:So we can add any useful wikis and other useful sites to that? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Well the reasons would be sorted through, but ya. But the discussion should be moved there with continued questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:00, 6 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userpage Top Template and My Content ==<br />
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This isn't a major question but I was just wondering how you get the user/talk/contributions/awards bar on the top of your page. Also I was wondering if you could look at some of my posts and tell me if you like them. Thank you and congratulations on the amazing website. [[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 22:30, 3 November 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:See also [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template]]. You can make one in your own user space.<br />
:I looked over the creations listed on your userpage (not usercontributions though) and gave input where I noticed things which are wrong. As those get corrected please ask me to look over them again for more things (balance, etc) and I would be more then willing to look over them.<br />
:Also all the external links on your userpage you should be moved to [[DnD Links]]. Your userpage should then link to them by way of the page (an example would be [[DnD Links|External Links]]<nowiki>[</nowiki>[[DnD Links#Wizards of the Coast|1]]<nowiki>][</nowiki>[[DnD Links#WotC Tools|2]]<nowiki>]</nowiki>, etc) so you give mention to important ones and keep them on the page they are required to be on.<br />
:Hope this helps. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 3 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Userspace Sandbox ==<br />
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hey, just wondering how to put unfinished work in my sandbox so it doesn't clog up the wiki? Thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 09:26, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:Just move it (move tab) to your userpage/<!-name->. Then if you remove the categories it will not show up anywhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:36, 4 November 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Will do, thanks. --[[User:Fathirian Hound|Fathirian Hound]] 07:06, 11 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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==ShadowBorn/Shadowborn debate==<br />
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I have gotten complaints about entitling a page [[ShadowBorn]] instead of Shadowborn. Is it really a big deal because i have made many pahes like this. sorry about bothering you again. Also i fixed some of the errors you told me to but not all of them. I will let you know when i do.--[[User:Nomnomking|Nomnomking]] 7:05, 5 November 2010<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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I have a few "minor" obstacles that are preventing me from having the slightest idea as to what I'm doing. First, I started my account less than an hour ago. I started frequenting this sight when I decided to do a massive overhaul of all things vampire. I assure you, your sight has nothing vampire related that can compare with what I want to submit. I have written over 100 pages of overhaul in Microsoft word (I'm serious) that has done everything from making a wide variety of bloodlines to roll-playish guidelines. Halfway through this I converted to core 3.5 rules so, in addition to needed tweaks here and there, my overhaul is a mesh between core 2 rules (yes, I still use THAC0...a word many of you haven't used in 100 years) and core 3.5. I'm still in the process of fully converting it but I have gone COMPLETELY off topic here...<br />
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My point is, I have no idea how to use this sight or where I should a submit my overhaul. I assume there is an instruction manual for this sight lying around here somewhere but I can't find it. If it does exist then feel free to point me to it and then point and laugh at my inability to be observant. It's closer to a template then a creature but allows for both PCs and NPCs to be used. To be honest, vampires are far better off and N/PCs then creatures. This template still doesn't account for CR (which I can't seem to figure out) and its format doesn't fit anything I've seen on this sight.<br />
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Where should I submit this and how do I do it?<br />
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I am vaguely aware that there is some kind of rule about balanced spells/templates/etc...(though I have never found it nor any other page that tells me site policies). This overhaul includes 5 "categories" of vampire. While the player normally has access to only 2 of these categories (as the others are a inherent templates), the highest category is an inherent template that converts a humanoid into an ultra uber creature that would warrant a high-level campaign just to destroy it. Where can I find this site's policies on un/balanced creatures? This category of vampire was made specifically to be over powered but they cannot be mass produced. It is rare for more than 40 to exist in any given multiverse at a time. Would this have any bearing on whether or not they are balanced?<br />
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:[[3.5e Bloodlines]] has information to assist with posting bloodlines. See also [[Add a New 3.5e Bloodline]]. Each of the areas has such a method for adding content, save 2e things which you mentioned. You could just add "(2e <tt><!-content-type-></tt>)" though. You could make a vampire variant subtype (through [[User Creature Glossary]]) and make them relate. Does this answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:07, 13 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks for the quick response. I took a quick look at the bloodlines section but it will likely become very chaotic if I put this ::there. This is a COMPLETE overhaul containing 19 bloodlines (20 if you count the purebloods). Just the part that contains<br />
::alterations specific to each bloodline is 38 pages long. This is a cohesive overhaul that only makes sense when it stays together. How does the subtype section work? Is it like an alternate template used on a creature like a celestial? I need to post ::stuff like the "General" changes to all vampires, which includes 21 pages. Is it possible for me to make more than one entry and ::tie them together with links or something? I know that cleric domains has something like that. - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:::[[3.5e Bloodlines]] will be fine with more bloodlines added. That is why it is there. Each bloodlines being a page with its own name of course. "''[O]nly makes sense when it stays together''", meaning it does not use 3.5e rules? If you could elaborate or supply some material so I could check it would make more sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:00, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::Elaborate? It's funny you said that because I was just thinking that I should post a sample of what I mean. This will take up some space if you don't mind.<br />
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:::::Space is of no concern. Ya, post something then I can check to make sure it works in an area, and if not we will have to figure something else out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:05, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::For the most part it follows Core 3.5 rules so it's not like it's foreign or anything. When I say Bloodline I mean something like this. Keep in mind that these are only bonuses/drawbacks specific to this bloodline. This does not include the various other benefits/drawbacks they gain for just being vampires. Notice how the vampire's regenerative ability is referenced but not included? I overhauled that as well:<br />
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:::::::You sure that is a bloodlines, not a [[3.5e Creature Templates|3.5e Creature Template]] or somesuch? I only looked briefly at it, however it does not resemble something like [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:19, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::That's why I'm saying it probably doesn't fit with bloodlines as it is depicted in that section. For the purposes of this overhaul, a bloodline acts like a strain of vampirism. While someone who is turned into a Yekef vampire as described below, someone who is turned into an Aundae vampire has vastly different alterations and their appearance isn't so distorted. While Yekef are physically powerful, Haarvenu are attractive and and seductive. Quarra vampires are best suited as fighters, while an Anthotis vampire makes for a powerful psionist. Each bloodline has it's own strengths and weaknesses in addition to the general strengths and weaknesses all vampires posses. It is a complete overhaul of vampirism. It isn't too far off as a list of variant rules and templates. I still need to complete the conversion from core 2 rules to core 3.5, but I still need to find the most suitable place to put it. I would also need to put the list of general changes, ways to implement the overhaul, the overview of terms used (such as my explanations as to what the five categories of vampires actually are. This overhaul treats vampires as an actual race capable of sexually reproducing, though it is far more difficult to actually bear children). Maybe I could make a link that explains that it is a set of variant rules as far as vampirism goes. This link could contain a list of links that would take you to the actual bloodlines, rules, or whatever. Sort of like the list of cleric domains. When you click the air domain for example, you are taken to a list of links rather then a list of all the explanations in one sitting. - FiddleSticks96 Nov 14, 1:06pm Eastern Time<br />
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:::::::::Something else I just thought of. Just so there's no confusion, these bloodlines in no way have to follow the "variant rules" that I came up with. They don't have to be used in conjunction with each other. A DM could just as easily pick one bloodline and say that is the only strain of vampirism. This game is made for imagination. As a DM I encourage players and DMs alike to use their imagination. If the DM thinks there needs to be an alteration then they should change it to their preferences. This is just my preferences that can be used, altered, and reused as the community sees fit. I thinks my variations are balanced and fair but others might not. Everyone has their own preference. This is just to expand upon the role playing potential of vampirism.<br />
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:::::::::::I have yet to grasp monster advancement (Hit Dice rather then Level). The advancement is treated as the same way PCs gain level. A vampire is fully capable of picking up a class and 8 of the bloodlines have an inherent class. The strengths/weaknesses the base creature gets for being part of a bloodline are given all at once, though the effectiveness of many of the powers are dependent on character or class level (usually class level). Basically, they are treated as NPCs.<br />
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::::::::::::As bloodlines (e.g. [[UA:Dragon, Brass]]) are done by levels, what are the changes (by-level) of these? That is what I am asking. Or is is an initial level adjustment (like [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]]) or challenge rating adjustment? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::::::I'm still trying to figure out CR but there is an initial level adjustment for all categories. As the PC will only ever be able to become a Category C or E Vampire (outside of birth). The only level adjustment available to them will be the +3 bonus to all class levels. These are actual gains in levels, with all the benefits that come with leveling up.<br />
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:So [[SRD:Level Adjustment (Creature Statistic)|level adjustment]] does not affect ones class levels with these? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:42, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::I'm probably wrong but isn't Level Adjustment a way to determine "effective" level and not "actual" level? If level adjustment causes actual level up then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment. Actually, it can be correctly seen that way because all class levels are raised by 3 upon being turned into a vampire. I posted what I mean when I say that the overhaul treats vampires as an actual race below. Also, it's time for me to go to work so I will be unresponsive for awhile.<br />
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:::An aspect to determine effective character level (ECL), ya. If what you are saying is correct, with a "''then it is the same as a +3 level adjustment''" I think it may be templates that you are looking for, for example a [[SRD:Vampire|vampire]] is a template with +8 LA. Does this seem right? If so I can format one so you can see if that is what is intended. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:54, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::If they're going to send me home after 2hrs they should just call to tell me not to show up :(. Yeah, templates is what I was going for. Would I be able to set it up where there is a link with the templates list that just says something like "Complete Vampire Overhaul"? The link could then open up with a quick explanation and the following links: "Overview", "Important Notes", "General Changes", "Bloodlines", "Implementations", and "Anti-Vampire Magic". This overhaul includes 2 new classes and an ability that will probably advance in a manner similar to classes. I'm still developing all 3 but I'll finish them sooner or later.<br />
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:::::I made [[Vampire, Montalion]]: [[Vampire, Lesser Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Montalion (3.5e Template)]], [[Vampire, Greater Montalion (3.5e Template)]] (for credit see history). Is this what you had in mind? Does this make sense? If you want a [[3.5e Sourcebooks|sourcebook]] that could be a route to keep things in check with one another more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 14 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::Actually no, it doesn't make much sense since those are only the changes that are IN ADDITION to the rest of them. I was thinking more along the lines of a link called "Complete Vampire Overhaul" that would be placed where ever the templates are. I would then be free to offer an explanation as to what it is and add various links that would contain the mass amounts of information about the overhaul. The way the Montalion is set up now it does not account for many of the other changes. If you think I need source books then don't worry. I recently acquired several 3.5 source books including the DM Guide, Monster Manual, and Player Handbook. I'll also be reformatting it after I upload it so it is easy to read and follows the format of this site.<br />
::::::Am I allowed to try and add it in the way I think it would fit best without authorization? If I'm allowed to then could I try setting it up the way I'm thinking about and you can see if you think it will work? If not then can I have permission? I was thinking about adding it in the http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/3.5e_Creature_Templates for lack of a better known location.<br />
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:::::::Of course. Feel free. I'll take a look at it as it becomes more apparent. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:32, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Finally got some free-time. I've started making all the pages but I've got a question. When I added the creature template it didn't show up on the templates page. I can still just punch in the url and it will be there but as far as I can tell, right now it's just a ghost page. I don't see a way to add it on my own either. I assume that you or an admin are the ones who will do this? If there are ghost pages on this site I can use them to avoid confusing people by adding the info for the changes directly into a section of the site. I can just put links on the template page that lead to the appropriate changes. These links would be the only ones that lead to these otherwise "ghost pages". Sound like a good idea?<br />
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:::::::::Oh, I just found where it put the link. It wasn't in the 3.5e Creature Templates but in the Category:LA? section. It should be in the "LA" section and not the "LA?" section but it makes no difference to me. Does it matter if I add all of the information on a single page? I don't know how to add the kind of links that make you scroll down to a different section of the page. Like the little boxes that say "contents" with a list of links.<br />
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::::::::::...Nevermind, I figured that out to. I'm going to shut up for awhile and stop bothering people with questions that I'll probably figure out the answer to on my own.<br />
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:::::::::::Done (mostly). Can you move this to the "LA" section. It's in the "LA?" right now. The only potential problem I can see right now is this message I got "Warning: This page is 243 kilobytes long; some browsers may have problems editing pages approaching or longer than 32kb. Please consider breaking the page into smaller sections." http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Complete_Vampire_Overhaul_%283.5e_Template%29<br />
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== Don't have a clue what I'm doing ==<br />
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My retarded computer posted this twice<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
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:It makes it displayed on equipment pages, found on [[3.5e Equipment]]. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 16 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== HTML ==<br />
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Hi, Im Greenstyle. I have a question. I was making a piece of equipment and on the template was "back to" footer. What is it and what consequence does it have on the page?<br />
Hey... mine did too!<br />
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== Rights ==<br />
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I was wondering: If I use some of the content from this website in a novel, do I have to individualy ask every contributer that orginally created the content? Also if so, thier is a problem. I hope to use the race "Sarli" in my Novel yet my computer is blocked from accessing the "Wizards of the Coast Forums" (Which is the only way I know how to contact "R.M.G.C.L.F.").--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:59, 19 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:As it is under the [[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]] section 2 verbatim copying is applicable. There is no need to contact the contributors. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:35, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Yes this does answer my question. Thank you. Though I still will mention the contributors of DnD Wiki as a courtesy for all the help.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 22:59, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== WoW 4E ==<br />
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Is it possible (by which I mean legal), to make a 4E WoW setting? Do I need Blizzard permission or a disclaimer or something? [[User:Camulus|Camulus]] 12:20, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:Just make sure to add [[Template:Copyright Disclaimer]] onto the bottom of the pages. That should cover it. Does this answer your question? ---[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Blizzard is the sort of company that ''will'' issue a cease-and-desist if they ever find out about it. But they probably won't find out about it. --[[User:Foxwarrior|Foxwarrior]] 03:02, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:33, 22 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Blood Knight ==<br />
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I finally got around to touching up my Blood Knight page (I know, I know, long overdue) if you wanna take another look. [[User:Dude Bob|Dude Bob]] 17:45, 21 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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:I touched it up as well. If you would not mind taking another look that would be very appreciated. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 5 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Spell seeds ==<br />
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I have perused my books but I can't find anything about spell seeds or epic spells in general. The info on most of the spell seeds and epic spells looks so professional so I'm 99% positive that spell seeds are an official part of the game. If they are not I don't care but if they are will some please tell me what book they are discussed in? - FiddleSticks96<br />
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:I'm pretty sure its in the "Epic Level Handbook". I am planning on obtaining it soon myself.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 15:25, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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::O.O I have such glorious observational skills. I will look through the epic level hand book now sitting in front of me. I don't know why I didn't think to check this book. Thanks by the way. (--[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 17:54, 30 November 2010 (MST))<br />
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:::[[SRD:Spells#Epic Spell Lists]] may help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:35, 30 November 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Alignment: Moral Ambiguity ==<br />
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I am thinking about creating a D&D world based off of one of the stories I have written out in my head. One of the most prominent characters of this world, though mostly unknown to most of society, is a demigod whose fate and goal in life is to serve as the protector of the prime material plane he exists on. He is a Pureblood Vampire named Belenthrond with a vicious streak when it comes to eliminating evil. (based on the Complete Vampire Overhaul of course). He draws power from both light and darkness, positive and negative, good and evil...you get my point. While I will probably never make a character sheet for him, as he is immensely powerful, I would like to at least give him a definite alignment. Unfortunately, while he is decidedly benevolent, he is morally ambiguous and, quick frankly, has a definite evil side as well as a good. He supports laws but doesn't think that good should be restrained by them. With that respect, he is Neutral Good; but since he has such an evil side to himself he can't be simply "Good" aligned. He doesn't believe in universal balance between good and evil either. He would much rather utter crush the truly wicked all together so he can't be True Neutral. He isn't disorganized and totally unpredictable either. Chaotic Neutral doesn't fit him at all. Eventually, I decided to make his alignment "Unknowable", because I didn't like how "Neutral Good with Chaotic (and sometimes Evil) tendencies" sounded. Unfortunately, if I were to give him a definite alignment, those might be the only two that will work.<br />
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Here is a quick overview of moral tendencies this character would exhibit:<br />
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''Good Qualities:'' He would sacrifice his own life without hesitation to protect the innocent (though later he learned he was immortal, he didn't always know this, and so this in no way weakens this argument that he is morally good in some regards)<br />
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He sacrificed much in order to continue to protect his world and those who could not protect themselves<br />
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He spent over 1,000 years as the lonely protect of his world until he finally could not stand his loneliness and fell in-love<br />
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He has, on a number of occasions, fought against impossible odds that he would likely not survive<br />
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He can't stand to see innocents suffering and will go out of his way to make their lives better. He is especially intolerant of allowing children to suffer (particularly orphans)<br />
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He is the type of person to choose another's happiness over his own (at one point, his eldest daughter (at the time she was a teenager) was about to be kidnapped. He was in actual combat with the one pulling the strings behind the kidnapping (one of his political rivals and one of the individuals he wasn't able to just outright slay and get away with). This individual cast a spell that was going to destroy a nearby town and everyone in it. Belenthrond had the choice of letting his rival get away with this daughter or letting the town get annihilated (tough choice right?). Well, being the guy that he is, Belenthrond stomped on his own emotions and protected the town. His reasoning was that his daughter was kidnapped to be a hostage. She would be kept alive, for now. Those in the town would not have been so fortunate. Even though he knew she would be kept alive for the time being, he was still subjecting his own daughter to the mercy of the worst kind of scum. She could very well have been killed if he didn't commence a quick rescue. One of his evil qualities explains how something like that is utterly intolerable to him)<br />
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Though he enjoys a good battle against a worthy opponent, he prefers nonviolent solutions to problems<br />
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Even though he will kill without hesitation, he will never intentionally cause harm to a mortal's soul (though he will tamper with demon souls or other such creatures he perceives as wicked)<br />
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''Evil Qualities:'' He respects innocent life but couldn't care less about the lives of the truly wicked. If an opportunity to redeem a wicked being presents itself, he will follow it if it is not too inconvenient, otherwise, he will likely kill them without hesitation if it doesn't cause great suffering to the innocent (He once had the chance to kill the man who killed his lover. This man, though wicked, was the only thing holding together an entire empire. If this man were to die, that empire would have fell into civil war again, causing the many innocent civilians to suffer. In the end, the demigod chose to spare the man's life because it would have caused many innocents to suffer - "As much as I wish to kill you, you are needed to keep this world in balance. I will spare your life...but never appear before me again"<br />
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He cares so little about wicked beings that he has, and still does, use them as test subjects in his magical experiments. Developing spells is a process after all, one that requires the ruffles to be smoothed out. As far as he is concerned, having to crack open and rip apart the minds of a few dozen bandits is a perfectly acceptable way to further his own power, which can then be used to better protect his world<br />
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He will not hesitate to kill, regardless of whose side the being is on. He will do what he can to simply incapacitate, say, a paladin who doesn't seem to get that he is on the paladin's side, but if someone is acting as an obstacle in his path to protect his world, even if they are simply misguided, he will rip them apart to get through them if need be. This hesitation extends to lack of remorse. - "Yes, it was unfortunate, but I will suffer no hindrance. Next time one of your pet paladins stands in my way, perhaps they will remember the price such ignorance."<br />
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He will lie, steal, cheat, assassinate, or otherwise commit all manner of treachery against wicked/corrupt individuals who he perceives as a threat to his world. He perceives the murder of an innocent being wicked but is perfectly okay with murdering the wicked. In particular, he doesn't see anything wrong with stealing when someone truly needs what they stole. He doesn't accept stealing from the poor or otherwise destitute, but if a museum recently acquired a strange or dangerous artifact, he would be perfectly okay with stealing it so he could study it or keep it out of the wrong hands<br />
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He has a political agenda, while being a politician in and of itself isn't evil (no really, I know it sounds hard weird but it's true), there are certain wicked individuals that he cannot just outright eliminate without jeopardizing his political agenda. With that said, these individuals pose a threat to many innocent lives and letting them run a muck; however much effort he puts forth in limiting their movements, is still allowing evil to spread so he doesn't lose political power (of course, he is working vigorously at gaining support against these individuals so he can finally kill them without losing political power)<br />
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While he draws power from light (metaphoric light...as in good), he also draws power from darkness (metaphorical darkness...as in evil). Perhaps his most favorite phrase is "Those who hide their wickedness in the darkness think themselves safe from the light. What they don't realize is that it is what hides within the darkness that they should fear the most".<br />
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He gets violent when people start messing with his family. I mean REAL violent. The kind of violence that kills his enemies very very slowly. - "Hahahahahaha...your right of course. I'm not going to kill you. I'm going to make you wish that I would."<br />
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''Unfortunate, but not evil, qualities:'' He's, well, he's kind of insane. Most ancient undead are.<br />
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Anyway, this pretty much describes my problem. What kind of alignment would someone like this fall under? Do you think Belenthrond is Good? Evil? Neutral? He is certainly an extremist, but that is in part due to his nature (blame his overdeity mother for also having an extremist nature). I simply can't think of any other alignment that fits him except "Unknowable". Help me out here? --[[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 23:57, 13 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:What do you think about [[SRD:Alignment#Chaotic Good, “Rebel”|chaotic good]]? He seems to act as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society as can be seen with his approaches to situations. And his "experiments" could potentially be considered as making his own way. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:44, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::That actually makes sense. I hadn't thought about it that way before, there are many gray areas in the alignments after all. Hmm...since he is a politician he might be closer to "Chaotic good with Lawful(maybe Neutral?) tendencies". What do you think? [[User:FiddleSticks96|FiddleSticks96]] 22:13, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== I have a question ==<br />
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There's a page I want to have fixed and spruced up, but I don't know how to fix it. I really want the Moon Scythe class to be a respected class, but it doesn't match the preload.<br />
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I really want to help out, but I'm not good at this wiki-formatting. I was wondering if you could make a mention of this to someone that could do this kind of thing. If you did, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, [[User:Missingno|Missingno]] 08:08, 24 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Locking pages? ==<br />
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I know it's probably asked all too often, but how do I lock pages I make so only I (or mods/admins) can edit them?<br />
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:The groups you can restrict editing from can be found on [[Special:ListGroupRights]]. Which pages for which groups? Only [[D&D Wiki:Administrators]] can lock pages, however I am more then willing to assist you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:27, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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::Brilliant. The pages are as follows; [[Gardevoir (3.5e Race)|Gardevoir]], [[Gallade (3.5e Race)|Gallade]], [[Zora Mask (3.5e Equipment)|Zora Mask]], [[Hawk Dragon (3.5e Creature)|Hawk Dragon]], [[Improved Water Elemental Bloodline (3.5e_Bloodline)|Improved Water Elemental Bloodline]], [[Arceus (3.5e Deity)|Arceus (Deity)]], [[Immunity to Magic (3.5e Trait)|Magic Immunity (Trait)]], [[Ocarina of Time (3.5e Equipment)|Ocarina of Time]]. --[[User:Phoenix of Chaos|Phoenix of Chaos]] 06:59, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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:::I locked them from IP edits. If you want them locked from all non-administrator edits (however you will not be able to edit them anymore unless you request a page gets unlocked so you can edit it) let me know please and I will do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:54, 30 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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==Archiving==<br />
Your talk page could probably use it. A lot of us read it quite a bit, so I wouldn't mind helping you if you don't mind me doing a bit of archiving. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:21, 29 December 2010 (MST)<br />
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== Posting ideas. ==<br />
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I am having trouble finding a place to post ideas for others to see and discuss... For instance, I have an idea on how to make a low magic world really low magic, but I'm not finding any place to put the idea up nor am I sure how I would go about posting it for others to actually look and discuss it with me and each other.<br />
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Thanks, Daryl.<br />
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:On this wiki, you have pretty much only one option (as of now). That would be to make a "Discussion" page and post your question. Fair warning, I don't know that anyone regularly checks these pages, so you may not get the answers and community discussion you're after. Since I know you're looking for discussions, I'll chime in, but I don't know how many others will notice it. You can learn how to make a discussion question [[User:Badger/sandbox3/EF2|here]]. However, I've been trying to get a community IRC channel to have chats like the ones you're looking for. If this sounds like something you'd be interested in, you could voice your opinions [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. One last thing, that addresses your particular example, you may just consider making a "[[3.5e_Rules|variant rule]]" page with how you plan to make it work (that is a 3.5e link, for a 4e variant go [[4e_Rules|here]].) Hope this helps! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:31, 3 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Hey it's me again! I was wondering since I saw you post on another template if you would look over mine. Its nothing major but it does need to be balanced a little more. If you want to take a look at it, or if you would like to help me complete a creature I am trying to make, you can find my creature [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Dimidium_Troll_%283.5e_Creature%29 here.] If you would like to see what I have on the other creature just leave me a message either here or in my talk page, and I will post its current details in my sandbox. [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 19:28, 6 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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==Spam==<br />
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There seems to be a few Users on here that are only posting spam. At least as far as I can tell. Stuff like [[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Best_Electronic_Cigarette_Review Best Electronic Cigarette]] and Cell Phone listings. I'm not sure on what the protocol is on here so I am leaving this alone. If you like I can go through to these pages and delete the contents themselves, since I am unsure how to delete the page except by deleting all links to it. Also, it seems the Users who made these pages have also done a redirect on there user page to the pages themselves. Hope this helps clean up the wiki! [[User:Lyrad8791|Lyrad8791]] 23:24, 8 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Could someone have a look at my homebrew? ==<br />
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I have made a bit of homebrew lately, and I was wondering if it was balanced. Also I'm having a bit of trouble with "Armor Of Flesh" spell. I don't care who, but I think it would be best if they were an admin. Here they are:<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Cyclone (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Cyclone]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Match (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Match]]<br />
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- [[Armor Of Flesh (3.5e Spell)|Armor Of Flesh]]<br />
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- [[Return Of The Dead Soul (3.5e Spell)|Return Of The Dead Soul]]<br />
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- [[Animate Dead, Greater (3.5e Spell)|Greater Animate Dead]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repressed Memory (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repressed Memory]]<br />
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- [[Naïlo's Repulsion (3.5e Spell)|Naïlo's Repulsion]]<br />
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- [[Paladin, Variant (3.5e Class)|Paladin, Variant]]<br />
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== Your recent edits ==<br />
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Hey, Badger here. Is there any way you can add "minor edit" on the rest of your page updates? I like to keep an eye on recent edits, and your stream of edits is filling the recent edits and I can't see anything else. If you added "minor edits" I could click "hide minor edits" and check on the other changes. Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:32, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] switched them to minor as they do not effect the page contents. Sorry about that earlier. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:46, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:21, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Rating Please ==<br />
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I have created a few classes, and I would very much appreciate if you could rate them for me. The classes are Mime (3.5e Class) and Soldier (3.5e Class), and Dragoon (by RDC) (3.5 PrC). <br />
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Thank you for your time, [[User:Rogue The Demonchild|Rogue The Demonchild]] 21:27, 12 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4 Edition Summaries ==<br />
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Long time no see. I was wondering if I am allowed to put small summaries of the 4 edition races in my Campaign's races page. It would be name, size, stat bonus and racial features.<br />
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I am asking because the races I want to put in are rather small, and it seems strange to just have a couple of things on one page. The official 4 edition races would be for comparison. [[Celen Joad]] 11:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. The official races, however, you can't add. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:21, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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== 4e Campaign Settings ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:4e Campaign Settings#Organizational Structure]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:21, 14 January 2011 (MST)</small><br />
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== 4e Giants, Devils, and Demons ==<br />
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Does anyone think that giants could become a race? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:23, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:Does [[SRD:Giants, Hill (Race)|this]] & [[SRD:Giants, Stone (Race)|this]] help? --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 18:57, 26 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Er, I mean for D&D 4e. Not 3.5e. Sorry. Do you think that even Devils and Demons could become races in 4e? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::I don't see why not. Some things may give you direction, ideas, and so forth. The [[Horned Devil (4e Race)|horned devil]] you created, the [[Cambion (4e Race)|cambion]], [[Infernal Blooded (4e Race)|infernal blooded]] relate to name a few. With regard to giants, [[Half-Giant (4e Race)|half-giant]], [[Hill Giant (4e Race)|hill giant]] may give you direction, ideas, and so forth to name a few. Does this help at all? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:18, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::Do you think that the horned devil is too powerful? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::I took a look at it, and modified [[Template:Needsbalance]]'s reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:39, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::Okay, I looked at it. Maybe, instead, I could make a paragon path that allows wings (I looked in the Player's Handbook 2 and it allows the dragonborn to have an overland flight speed of 12)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:49, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Is that a power though? If you make it something like a power, I imagine that would balance it. A paragon path with the same goal could give you flying results too. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:02, 28 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Well, at level 12, it allows you to make a brief flight. But at level 16, you gain the overland flight. But this is only if you choose that paragon path. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:46, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::If you supply me a link I could take a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:12, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Magician ==<br />
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I like the idea for the Magician class-is there a way to contact the author? {{Unsigned|Wonderer|17:12, 29 January 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You'll have to give me more information. Which [[Magician|magician]] related content? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Warning Policy Input ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I was looking at [[Talk:Hill Giant (4e Race)|Talk:Hill Giant]]. Thank you for trying to keep profanity down, even name calling. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:44, 29 January 2011 (MST)<br />
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:No problem. Do you think the revision history link is superfluous (and counter-productive)? Should the text be condensed? Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:44, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The history link... What do you mean by if it's superfluous? I don't think the text should be condensed. Well, lets see... Do you think that giants are really that bad? Can Giants wield Medium weapons? Also, Giants aren't readly accepted into society (they kinda have a bad reputation). Also, weapons cost more (if you get them from a non-giant source, and that's if they even '''want''' to make one for a giant that they know nothing about). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:40, 9 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Giants ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I talked with my brother, and he said that bursts weren't that bad. Do you think that giants should be practically normal, but the user chooses whether to pick a power or a feature (you can only have one or the other; not both)? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:07, 1 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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:I've never seen that used before, and it could make for confusion. I'd recommend just toning down the burst and the class feature, but bursts are interesting, I agree. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:15, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Sourcebook Pumped Up ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Pumped Up (4e Sourcebook)#Balance]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 6 April 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Meaning of Meaningful Gestures? ==<br />
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Was reading [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)|Catgirls]], and was a tad jarred by the "Meaningful gesture" section under [[Catgirl,_Domestic_(3.5e_Race)#Names|Names]]. Without any explanations given for these gestures, is this meant to be presented as a "Interpret as you will" type listing, or was this something that was going to be expanded upon further? Using known data about real-life felines and fictional Japanese catgirls as a starting point, I have compiled a very extensive list of different Body Language messages which we use for a local Catgirl character, which you are more than welcome to use if you wish. I'll be watching this page for a response. {{Unsigned|96.229.186.168|07:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:That is fine to add that to [[:Category:Catgirl|those pages]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:02, 9 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::Looks good! I added them to other related catgirl pages and moved it into the Relations section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:06, 6 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Just another new guy asking around... ==<br />
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SO I've been told about the treasure trove of optional ideas that have been continuing the sprit of 3.5 by my newest D&D group and after a (strangely lucid) dream I came up with the following:<br />
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Spell Slayer<br />
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This +3 crystalline Mage Bane Longsword when wielded by a spell caster on impact allows the caster to make a DC 30 Spellcraft check.<br />
On a successful check the sword ether casts vampiric touch (as caster level 6, max 3 times per combat) OR, if the target is a spellcaster it <br />
steals one (1) random spell. Spells stolen this way are stored until the end of combat and are dispelled afterwards. A caster with the Arcane<br />
Strike feat may sacrifice spells stolen in this manner for the bonuses provided by the feat. (For cost see Holy Avenger)<br />
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Crystalline Weapon property<br />
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This material is primarily used to make weapons for and against spellcasters. It provides an additional (stacks with magical bonuses) equipment <br />
bonus +1 to hit and damage versus targets with magical abilities or properties (supernatural abilities or uncast spells are examples of this). <br />
In addition it provides a +1 to caster level for all spellcasters wielding or possessing such a weapon, hafted weapons do not confer the caster level bonus. All weapons crafted from Crystalline are considered master work. (For cost see Adamantine)<br />
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Now I don't want to post anything retardedly over powered up on the site (like some of the things I have seen/heard) and would like some advice before I throw it up on the site since I haven't seen a forum section (yet).<br />
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:The best way to get things looked at is to just take the plunge and create the page. If it is retardedly over-powered, people will tell you. Most people here will offer constructive criticism and will genuinely want to help you improve/complete/flesh out your 'fill in the blank'. Spelling and grammar checks are also staples of the site. PS. always remember to sign your comments by typing in two - followed by four ~. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 03:29, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Hey. Umm I'm just joined your site; I'm wondering if there is anything i should know (like guidelines for what and what not to post). I'm kind of wondering how to make classes. P.S.: I'm guessing those little #s in red and green are reputation points. --[[User:Knave67|Knave 67]] 00:19, 22 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Classes for which edition? Any of the "create" boxes will use the correct preload if you use them, giving direction for the class. The preloads (some are listed [[Help:Standards and Formatting (DnD Guideline)#Preloads|here]]) should tell you what the class is. As everything is different in nature, telling you how something should be created is not possible. Of course guidelines exist, and [[DnD Guidelines]] may help you. Most things are balanced off similar things and, as mentioned above, if something is retardedly overpowered people will tell you. Does this help? Also what do you mean by the post scriptum you mentioned above? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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::He's probably talking about the recent changes log. If that's the case, the red and green numbers represent how many characters were subtracted or added during a page edit. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:15, 21 February 2011 (MST)<br />
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Oh okay I thought it was like a karma system or something along those lines. Also thank you Mr.Chartreuse Wyvern I wanted to make a class but it looks more complicated than a pictureless jigsaw puzzle so right now i'm just browsing the cite looking for boffo nuggets.<br />
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== new type of creature ==<br />
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Hello I'm working on a hybrid type. half giant red dragon. created by a crazy wizard, for would domination basically. however the creatures have morals and are therefore useless to him, so he abandons them. the creatures themselves would be fairly tall I'm think 7 - 8 an a half feet, strength and con bonuses with hits to car a level adjustment. any advice or an opinion on it would be greatly appreciated. {{Unsigned|Wytewulf|22:18, 24 February 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:As a [[3.5e Creature Templates|template]] (like the [[SRD:Half-Dragon]]), [[User Creature Glossary|new type]], or [[3.5e Races|race]]? Or what were you intending? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:12, 1 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Can you create your own monster and how? ==<br />
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How do you make your own monster? Beacause I've always wanted to make my own "dragon-dillo" (armadillo & dragon combine). --[[User:Ja-Snake|Ja-Snake]] 19:56, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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:See also [[Add a New DnD Creature]]. Things like [[CR Estimation Table (DnD Guideline)]] may help. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:18, 6 March 2011 (MST)<br />
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== Classes ==<br />
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Green Dragon, I am new to the d and d wiki community and i cant figure out how to create my own class. I know how to edit and change other classes if they ask for revising, but i want to be able to create my own. I would appreciate it a lot if you could either tell me how or if you could send me a link or something showing how.<br />
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Thank you for your time and consideration<br />
Playerdb<br />
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:Does [[Add New 3.5e Class]] cover your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 13 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deleting images ==<br />
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Can you delete a couple images for me? [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Pyromancer.jpg this image] is copyrighted and [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/File:Imageremoved.jpg this image] was created instead to tell us that the first image was copyrighted. I don't seem to be able to delete them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:53, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I can (and will later), however if you want to you can too. You can't do it on the page you supplied, you have to do it on media. So go to the file description page, [[dndmedia:File:Pyromancer.jpg]], (make sure your logged in) and delete it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:33, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Actually the only listed admins for media are you and Blue Dragon. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 12:08, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh ya, huh. I'll try to get that dealt with sometime. And I deleted them by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:23, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== update ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, you know the "create new equipment" in the D&D 4e equipment section? I think we should change it so that way it follows the 4e format. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:05, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:I agree. Do you have a specific idea for implementation? If so I would be more then willing to help you with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:24, 18 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::[[User: Badger|Badger]] actually has a preload set up (it's how I've been posting 4e stuff on my sourcebook). The link is [[User:Badger/sandbox6|here]] --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 11:57, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Featured Article Nomination? ==<br />
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What do I have to do in order to get an article nominated? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:33, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Um, never mind. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 12:34, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Featured Articles#Featured Article Nominees]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 26 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Not updating ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:I tried to update the {{File:Marino.jpg}} picture, but it's not updating. It instead stays in it's previous form. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:40, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:okay. It seems that if I make the picture too big, it doesn't revert. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:59, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Still. Could this be fixed? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 28 March 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Deities secion ==<br />
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I was browsing through the 3.5e Deities section and I encountered multiple entries that were meant only as jokes. Thas is not suitable. This is the first time I use this Wiki, and all those prank articles didn't leave a very good impression. I wish to request an immediate clean-up in the Deities section and remove all fake deities. I understand it may be fun to add Ceiling Cat as a Deity but this kind of humor is not appropriate here.<br />
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:Did they have the April Fool Category? If so I think their ment to be their.--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 06:10, 11 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Reploids ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
:Do you think that maybe I could add a feat to the [[Reploid (4e Race)|Reploid]] race that gives them automatic plate (I call it total armor) proficiency (even if they don't have proficiency with preceeding armors)? You might also want a look at the link I have up there to see if a fit would even be possible without taking anything out. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:44, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Or do you think that there should just be metalized versions of the armors already set up in regular 4e? Thin metal for cloth armor, thicker armor for leather, etc. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:08, 13 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== [[SRD:Bless Water]] ==<br />
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I think holy water in the spell text should be wikilinked. - [[User:BalthCat|BalthCat]] 04:29, 17 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Adding Content ==<br />
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Hi I wanted to know if I could add on the magic items sections some of the info from more of the core books? and if I could how? {{Unsigned|Jaybird|20:50, 18 April 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:It depends on the license. Do you know the license? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:03, 18 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== help looking ==<br />
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i need help looking for the d20 modern specs for a "big rig 10 to 14 wheeler" if you could send me specs or a site that gives this i would be very greatful.<br />
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:Is [[MSRD:Vehicles#Peterbilt 379]] what you are looking for (see the table above for statistics)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:32, 25 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Was just wondering... ==<br />
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Just curious as to whether or not I could get my hands on a downloadable export of the mysql db for this site. I was hoping to use it for my own private notes. I play at a few people's places that don't have wifi (one of the doesnt even have internet) It would be helpful to have an SRD and such that I could put my own notes into. Either way, I completely dig the site. Keep up the good work man! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 17:10, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Well, as per the GNU FDL, you can use [[Special:Export]] which should help you. You can, of course, convert the XML to different formats such as pdf. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:55, 29 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Many thanx good sir! -- [[User:Theoneandtruebane|Theoneandtruebane]] 10:35, 30 April 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Question??? ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon.. This is Dj00345... i have a question for the 2.5e Homebrew that you are letting me create for the wiki.... How can i create a Template for some of the pages????? i notice when i create a new creature that there is already typing on the white screen when you create a creature... i know that is a template... but how do i create my own template myself???? i need to make some of the templates for the other links, like: Deities, Equipment, Spells, Races, Class, and the others, so that when people create a page, then the right information will already be on the screen and all they have to do is create the page.... do you understand what i am saying???? please reply back on my user talk page... thx!!! [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 13:53, 2 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Just create the page. When creating it the formatting guidelines to use can be found [[Add Instructions|here]]. After it is created you use a inputbox and put it on preload=. Does this answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:59, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::yes. [[User:Dj00345|Dj00345]] 20:08, 5 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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How can improve my Teoryran Setting. How can I create classes for Teoryran with the same name but different from existing classes of the same name? I am making a new system. Where all base classes are racial and status based on:<br />
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* Each race have four subraces for peasants, nobles, priests and a variable fourth.<br />
* Each subrace have a class<br />
* Each social caste have classes based on them.<br />
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Noble orcs can be samurai and noble humans can be knights. Human and orc serfs can be scoundrels, thiefs or conscriped soldiers. There will be different classes for priests and monks than for nobility. "Big changes" include:<br />
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* only racial classes gives hp<br />
* carrier classes doesn't give HP<br />
* gold is removed<br />
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--[[User:Klas|Klas Wullt]], 01:42 13 May 2011 (MST)<br />
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:For the pages with the same name you include ", Teoryran". For example "Orc, Teoryran (3.5e Race)". For the subraces you include their subrace after the comma (much like the SRD elves). For example "Orc, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Race)". The classes can then, of course, be their favored class. If it is the fighter, for example, it would be "Fighter, Teoryran (3.5e Class)" and/or "Fighter, Teoryran Peasant (3.5e Class)". For the game mechanic changes you may have to make a [[3.5e Rules|rule]] or include it some way. When you have them made I can take a look at them and see if it makes sense. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:08, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== 3.5e Campaign Setting Teoryran ==<br />
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Hello. I need some help for my setting. Teoryran World. How do I sort the pages correctly? {{Unsigned|Klas|01:16, 23 May 2011 (UTC)}}<br />
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:What do you mean by sorting the pages? By category? By name? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:09, 22 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Thanks for the Offer.<br />
Here, I just made on class.<br />
Please take a took at it.<br />
Knight, Teoryran(3.5e Class).<br />
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== 3.5e Equipment List - new category (Page editing locked) ==<br />
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Hi Green,<br />
<br />
I'm a new user to Wiki & would appreciate some helpful advice :-)<br />
<br />
Going to start a new D&D campaign this year with a Pirate theme. When people think of Pirates, thier main thoughts are Pirate Ships, Cannons, Flintlock Pistols & Cutlasses.<br />
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Flintlock's can easily be replaced with Hand Crossbow's, Cannons needed some more thought.<br />
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I do not want to introduce gunpowder into the campaign so as an alternative i've decided to go with Gnomish Engineering and introduce some clockwork & steampowered machinery (Steampunk) resulting in Steam Cannon's aboard ships<br />
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Decided the 3.5e equipment list therefore needs a new category of Gnome Engineering, a place for all things clockwork, steampowered or basic engineering (i.e. Piston Water Pumps)<br />
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I don't think this technolgy would change game balance as there are many ancient technologies that have been rediscovered such as the Baghdad Battery & Eygptian Piston Ballista<br />
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Created the Gnome Engineering category but can not link this category to the 3.5e Equipment list, as this page is locked for editing (for very good reasons, looks complicated)<br />
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Are you able to help?<br />
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Thanks<br />
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--[[User:Mufasa|Mufasa]] 10:19, 23 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Blades Of Keran ==<br />
I was wondering if someone could rate my campaign setting, [[Blades Of Keran (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Blades Of Keran]]. Also I agree with the above request about Gnomish Engineering as my campaign uses Gnomish Devices as well. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 17:08, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== Economist talk page ==<br />
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So, I was browsing through the recent talk page (as I often do), and I was confused by your recent actions on the talk page of the Economist. Care to elaborate? It seemed like someone asked a question on the discussion, and Jota responded with an answer to the question. You deleted the reply, and gave no reason as to why. Someone (a random IP) then went and undid you revert, presumably because you removed helpful and useful content without a reason. You blocked him for 3 months for edit warring, despite him only having a single contribution to the wiki. What happened to warnings? What happened to the increasing block length? Effectively, you banned someone from the wiki for 3 months because they undid one of your edits, which you made without any reason at all. What's going on? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:05, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:This whole "other wiki" kerfuffle is getting out of hand. There's no reason this has to be a zero-sum game. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:30, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::The [[Warning Policy]] is only for when one does not edit with civility and etiquette. This is unrelated. Edit warring is a block reason on WIkipedia's policies and therefore effective on D&D Wiki. I don't mean it to be a zero-sum game, but when someone answers with (shortened) "this answer is irrelevant, look elsewhere" it's a obscuration of spamming to external sites. Another common block reason. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:47, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::The zero-sum part is black-holing any mention, however remote of another site*. It's either us or them. If they win, we lose (zero-sum). But there's no reason it has to be that way. Neither wiki is exactly crawling with people, and if we worked together instead of against each other (and looking rather silly while doing it, I might add), we would both be better off. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:12, 24 May 2011 (MDT) *Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with...<br />
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::::Interesting, but D&D Wiki is not going to have a committee of people who are a self-appointed oligarchy who serve the same function as the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles|improving, reviewing, and removing articles templates]] present. Additionally things on D&D Wiki cannot be stagnant, and things should improve when they can (e.g. user categories being replaced by [[Special:NewPages]], [[Template:Author]] being superseded by history, etc). For example. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:26, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::GD, no one is telling you to change policy about reviewing content, or anything else of that ilk. Jazzman merely said, and I agree, that we should be allowed to say things exist. We have countless links to other forums and sites that host homebrew content, it seems foolish to block people for mentioning one in particular, no matter the history. We can all act like adults and just let it be. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:40, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Links are supposed to do though [[DnD Links]]. All other links are incorrect. However, as I see it, on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links, because to me that seems more like the user is unaware or unknowing. However spamming of external links, yes, does get one banned. Does this kind of answer your question? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:59, 24 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::So, by your own admission, Jota and everyone else can post links to their other wikis on their user page, but not in the main namespace? Seems fair to me. I'll go ahead and add links to [[DnD Links]]. I'll assume users can still write something like "If you have any other questions, leave a message on my talk page", where they can post links to other sites (as you said yourself, user pages are fine for external links). Alright, sounds good. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement on this. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:05, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::No, that's taking it out of context. "on userpages is okay as long as when one notices it they move it to DnD Links" should be read as a full statement. Otherwise it's still a violation of policy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:24, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You're telling me that there shouldn't be any external links on User Pages then? I was under the impression that if they were also listed on DnD Links, that would be fine. Sometimes you'd want to give a more specific link, like say one to a particular article. The way you've phrased it, it seems like there should be no external links anywhere but on that DnD Links page. That doesn't make any sense at all. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Well, maybe something like the w: could be made (as a template) for each link. Really, however, one should just direct one to [[DnD Links]] (that's why they are <tt><nowiki>{{#anc:}}</nowiki></tt>'ed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I understand what you're saying. I'm saying why make someone go to DnD Links, and then search the other site, when you could just as easily link to the exact page in the first place? DnD Links is certainly a good page, and designed for ease of reference, but I think it works best as a general tool, and for specific purposes one might as well link directly from one page to another, without using DnD Links. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:50, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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<-- Again, why? Can someone give me a reason why we are never allowed to link to other sites? I'm just not seeing the reasoning here other than to annex The Site Which Shall Not Be Named, and even that I can't see any good reasoning for. [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] is allowed to link to [[O.G.R.E.]] (which has it's own wiki page, btw; we aren't even allowed to ''mention'' the Other Wiki) with no repercussions, but an anon who undid an outright deletion of a post that vaguely mentions That Other Wiki was banned, without warning, for 3 months. Did they murder your favorite pet or something? Will the site really blow up if I decide to link to some innocent site that doesn't happen to me mentioned on DnD Links (which, judging by the traffic on that page, nobody looks at anyway)?<br />
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Sadly, I've seen this exact same scenario on wikis before: site 1 does something that subset of the site doesn't like. Said subset creates their own wiki. Wiki 1 bans mentions of Wiki 2. Wiki 2 uses this as reasoning to orchestrate more and bigger attacks against Wiki 1. As the bickering continues both sites end up looking silly and losing who would otherwise be valuable members. The more we block them the more they will do things like [[Special:Contributions/Bird|Bird]] did, which are ultimately more harmful to the site than anything the users would do if we just played nice with them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:40, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:So, should we do something like w: then? Currently, [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should not be linking to any site not by way of [[DnD Links]]. I'm just following policy, be it fledgling or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:00, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::I don't know what w: means. What I want to do is allow people to link to other sites without having to go through DND links first. If that's what w: is then yes, we should do that.<br />
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::If Hooper's not allowed to link to these sites, then do you want to clean out his userpage and delete [[O.G.R.E.]]? Because I can't see the reason for it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:03, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Ironically, the best description I know of for the events that transpired is on the other wiki. A bunch of people decided to make a "rating committee". GD didn't like it. There was a bunch of silly squabbling, and the other wiki left, taking a ton of content and users with them. GD and everyone else were upset about who took what content, and the legality of that. Honestly, in my mind, this is the sort of thing that, after a week, could have blown over. Clearly we just need to share a beer, play some D&D, and realize how silly this fight is. Also, start allowing each other to link to each other's wikis. I can't speak with any certainty, but I am pretty sure they allow links to this wiki. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:58, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::Go for it. I don't really want to do any cleaning out of userpages right now&ndash; I'm working on [[4e Deities]] as it is. I agree this is silly, however if links really are needed then someone (again, I don't care to do this) should make something like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links for each link. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:11, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm not going to delete [[O.G.R.E.]] because it doesn't bother me and I don't understand why it's not allowed. I don't want to go angering Hooper, who's contributions are numerous and high-quality, if I don't have to. If you have time to block people for mentioning one site, I'm not sure why you are too busy to block people for mentioning another site. So how about instead we just allow everyone to link to sites?<br />
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:::And if all we have to do in order to link to D&D wiki (err, the *other* one, anyway) is to create a template, then that's a piece of cake. Heck, I can make one that works even ''better'' than the one you linked to. Now everyone's happy! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:45, 25 May 2011 (MDT) (BTW Green Dragon, I think you are having problems with your browser. For some reason when you edit it deletes parts of the page on accident).<br />
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::::I'm not entirely sure why we need a template, especially one that would go at the bottom of the page like you linked. Maybe one at the top of the talk page? But, what would the template say, "This page contains external links. DanDWiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. Links do no necessarily reflect the views of DanDWiki and its owners"? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:06, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That's a good idea. And it could incorporate the switch extension. I just meant "like how [[Template:Background Information (Halo Supplement)]] treats links". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:29, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::How about this:<br />
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{| align=center border=1 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=2 style="text-align: center; background:#F4F0EC; color:black"<br />
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| '''This page contains external links.'''<br/><small>D&D Wiki does not have any affiliation with any externally linked sites. <br> Links do no necessarily reflect the views of D&D Wiki</small><br />
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::::::It makes no sense to have a template for individual sites, or even as a way to include the link in the template. If it pleases the wiki, we can just make a <nowiki>{{template:external_link}}</nowiki> and go from there. Throw this up on a page, and we can have external links anywhere we want. Problem solved. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:56, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I don't like how obtrusive that is. I would prefer something much less obtrusive, comparable to an expansion of the MW external link symbol. For example: <nowiki>[www.address.{{{1}}}] ([[DnD Links#site|link information]]</nowiki> [[File:Externallink.png|12px]] this external link does not have any affiliation with D&D Wiki) And, I would prefer having a hard list of sites because as the internet is full of sites with varying degrees of quality it is good to have some quality control over how it effects D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Ok, well, considering that external links already have an associated image (or at least a symbol), why don't you just include a line of text below the edit window (by which I mean below the line "You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a public domain or similar free resource. Do not submit copyrighted work without permission!") that says something to the effect of "Links to external sites must be deemed appropriate; inappropriate links subject to removal. See [[DnD Links]] for list of appropriate links." and we'll just say any page or subpage of a link on the DnD Links page can be freely linked to. I think the problem with including a template in this process is that we already have a ton of templates that we don't use because they are confusing or hard to find. Considering there is already a button for external links, we might as well use that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 12:18, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::What are your thoughts on just making a [[Meta Pages#Policies|policy]] which covers it and then adding text on [[DnD Links]] explaining it's function. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That sounds like the best possible plan. We allow external links, add a line in the policy about external links, and a brief summary about what should and should not be linked on the DnD links page. I'm glad we've finally come to some sort of agreement, and don't require the use of templates or other things that may be confusing to new users. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:35, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I just wanted to comment on something said much earlier. It was ''"Note, however, that it's only one site that gets people insta-blocked for a quarter. Other sites get mentioned without such severe penalties. In one case, I can think of a site that's mentioned multiple times that nobody seems to have any problem with..."''. Not true. I literally was blocked on [http://dungeons.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&user=&page=&year=&month=-1 September 20th, 2009] after making four edits to that wiki - one redirecting a talk page to me, and three asking for a diff in a respectful manner. The block summary even stated some harsh thing. Don't pretend that one wiki is a white knight in this issue. I still don't understand why people won't just stay at their chosen wiki home, and ignore the other. ''(also, I only added the actual link because I'm understanding its now okay on talk pages? If thats not so delete it. I'm honestly having a hard time following.)''<br />
:::::::::::Now, as far as O.G.R.E.s is concerned. It is my understanding, and perhaps I am wrong in this understanding, that long ago it was decided not to link to "competing sites". OGREs may be another wiki ''(for now, but when our webmaster isn't paid, things take time)'' but it isn't a competing site. We're not looking for the same kind of content. Now maybe I'm wrong, and if so, delete it. But in my opinion, the D&D Other section is perfect for articles discussing the different gaming organizations and may be very pertinent to the common D&D Wiki browser's interest. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:35, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Even if they did block you, that's not really a good reason to insta-block ''them''. Simply linking to that site isn't, in and of itself, a legitimate reason in my mind to block someone for ''3 months'', especially considering the specific case we were talking about. (Let's face it, were it anyone but GD, we might have thought the original reversion was vandalism; it is only because we saw his name beside it that we know it wasn't).<br />
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::::::::::::As for O.G.R.E, I don't actually think it should be deleted, just as I don't think links to the other wiki should be deleted. But as far as I can tell, there's no differentiation between what links we are allowed to link to. Under the current rules as written, if we insta-ban people for mentioning one, it's completely hypocritical to pretend links to the other don't even exist. I'm not actually arguing that we enforce the rules against all sites, I think we need to change the rule entirely. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:05, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::What's an instablock? The block was for edit warring, see also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3A63.23.72.173]. It's unrelated. I have no idea about O.G.R.E.. Is it on [[DnD Links]]? Has it been looked over? If it's anything like your video channel (which I have seen) then i'd be fine. Of course this discussion is for elsewhere. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:11, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::[http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/216.66.140.248 This] is an insta-block. A user's very first ever edit was a reversion of unexplained deletion of Jota's response. The guy can't be accused of edit warring when there were (liberally) only 2 reverts, only one of which was this guy a participant. If we go by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:3RR#The_three-revert_rule WP:3RR], it's not a revert war until one editor does ''three'' reverts in a 24-hour period. That editor hadn't even had three ''edits''. (The IP you linked to, by the way, only had 2 reverts, and was never even given a warning before he was blocked for 3 months.) Not only that, but had an IP or a new user deleted Jota's comment without explanation, the reversion of said deletion would probably be given exception from the 3RR, because to all appearances, deleting someone else's talk page comments is usually itself vandalism. Adding them back almost never is. At worst, the two IPs should have been given an explanation of how what they were doing was not allowed, a warning to discontinue their actions, and ''maybe'' blocked for a day to cool down. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:34, 30 May 2011 (MDT) [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=next&oldid=520281]<br />
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== Hi ==<br />
I need help with footers and links.<br />
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:Could you be a little more specific? I've been working on a new user guide for some time now. It's not nearly complete, but it may be able to help you with some of your questions. You can find that [[User:Badger/sandbox3|here]].If you show me what you are trying to do, I can probably help. Drop a message on [[User_talk:Badger|my talk page]], and I'll see if I can help you work through your problems. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 14:54, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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== hello ==<br />
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I have almost finnished 3/8 planned racial caste races.<br />
Please have a look at the Human noble and human peasant <br />
and Ork noble races.<br />
Links are found at Teoryran info about Races.<br />
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The race pages are to big, <br />
any suggestions of how to cut them up and<br />
sort them in different sections?<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Mmm, well I needed the pages sorted after supplement.<br />
I needed to put lots of class and race descriptions of personality, the world<br />
and their lands somewhere else.<br />
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:What do you mean? [[Races of Teoryran (Teoryran World Supplement)]] is understandable. It is missing its footer though. Is that what you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:52, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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Yes; sorry for being unclear.<br />
I Lack footers and I am unsure where to put my classes<br />
if they are not exactly base classes either?<br />
Variant rules?<br />
Should I greate a new page for racial classes?<br />
Or are they paragon classes?<br />
I am worried that some of the pages about info for the setting<br />
lack addresses and take up extra memory.<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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Hello how to you I find this this page.<br />
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== Edit Revert? ==<br />
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Why did you revert my edit on [[Talk:DnD Links]]? I didn't break any of your rules and, furthermore, I contributed to the discussion. You shouldn't just censor things because you don't agree with them... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:44, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=520315Help talk:D&D Links2011-05-30T15:24:45Z<p>Aarnott: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::If by "illegal" you mean things like child porn or bootlegs, then sure, we shouldn't post there. But something that we need a team of lawyers to decide whether or not it's breaking the law (and even then, they probably wouldn't all agree)? Probably not that big of a deal. If it's clear we don't endorse it (and it is), then what's the fuss? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:10, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::According to the official GNU FDL 1.3 FAQ, 'The primary change is the addition of section 11. This new provision allows certain materials released under this license to also be used under the terms of CC-BY-SA 3.0. For more information about exactly what materials can be licensed this way, see the related questions below. As part of this change, we also introduced a new definition in section 1.<br />
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*In order to license an FDL-covered work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, a few conditions must be met:<br />
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1. The work must be available under the terms of FDL 1.3, which provides you with this permission. If the work was released under the terms of “the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2 or (at your option) any later version,” then it meets this criteria.<br />
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2. The work must not have any “Cover Texts” or “Invariant Sections.” These are optional features in all versions of the FDL.<br />
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3. If the work was originally published somewhere other than a public wiki, it must have been added to a wiki (or some other kind of web site where the general public could review and edit the materials) before November 1, 2008.<br />
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4. All FDL-covered material added to Wikipedia before November 1, 2008 satisfies these conditions.<br />
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Source: "GFDL v.1.3 FAQ", GNU Project. Free Software Foundation, n.d. Web, 27 May. 2011.<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.<br />
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:::Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.<br />
:::The rest is mostly written to Green Dragon:<br />
:::Green Dragon, you may benefit from reading the following from wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works]. Here are a few facts about the legality of this whole ordeal:<br />
:::*Creative works (ie. homebrew in this case) is the property of the author, regardless of what licenses the author decides to release it under.<br />
:::*GNU FDL applies to what people ''other than the author'' can do with the creative work. Actually, this is the case for any license. The author always owns their own creative work.<br />
:::*An author can re-release their own work under multiple licenses.<br />
:::Having established that, it is pretty clear the other wiki is not violating any laws. There is a case where the GNU FDL might take effect and that is the case of where there are multiple creative contributors (note that copyediting does not count!) and one or more the the contributors do not agree to re-release the content under the new license. I can say with a fair bit of certainty that anything that the other wiki has "taken" was created by singular authors (or at least consenting authors). If you can find ''any'' case where this is not true, I am certain that the other wiki would remove the content. From my experience, they are actually far ''more'' proactive than this website with respecting proper licensing laws (for example this website does not follow proper image licensing laws or at least isn't clear about what licensing for an image is).<br />
:::Now, just to make some things perfectly clear, Green Dragon:<br />
:::*You do not own the work of other authors.<br />
:::*You cannot sue for copyright infringement in place of other authors.<br />
:::Okay. Legality aside, let's talk about the root reason behind this. It might be a bit of speculation on my part, but someone mentioned that it seemed that you were almost ready to bury the hatchet and stop this nonsense of "don't talk about the other wiki" (that's why I'm even at this site right now). I'm certainly ready to let the past be the past, but you need to understand that it offends people when you muck around with their creative works. I honestly think that this whole business would never have got out of had if that offense wasn't made. We finally relented that, yes, you can totally not delete our creative work because we did choose to license it under FDL and that you ''might'' have grounds to remove the author box (but at this point nobody really cares anymore). And now this silly business of suing us for relicensing our own creative works?<br />
:::Well, it is a bit offensive, frankly. People don't like being told that they don't own their ideas (note: they do). So here is my point: just drop this whole nonsense about legality. You are just reigniting flames by offending the authors from the other wiki and for no real point. You have no actual legal grounds (unless we have messed up in some corner case with multiple authors, in which case it will be corrected -- just let me know). And, you know, it would be nice of you to actually keep the link here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:33, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use. You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do. Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times. Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Don't {{Warning/Text}} threats of lawsuit against this other wiki go against the general idea of open source and creative commons? --[[Special:Contributions/80.2.187.238|80.2.187.238]] 16:07, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::No. It's about adhering to the law, normally a precursor to understanding one's contribution is in good hands (democracy equates to laws with reason). And what does this have to do with open source or creative commons? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:20, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
:::::::I never said that. Please don't strawman.<br />
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:::::::"You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do."<br />
:::::::Really? You actually believe that I'm just making up things to do with authorship laws? This page from wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multi-licensing] explains quite succinctly that every single edit a user makes on a wiki is totally theirs to license. Yes. This means I can take crap I wrote an relicense it freely. That applies to anyone here. If you want some specific excerpts:<br />
::::::*"A number of users have chosen to release their contributions under some other license, or even to release their contributions into the public domain. Dual- or multi-licensing is not required or suggested by Wikipedia, but some users—for a variety of ideological or other reasons—prefer to release their contributions under a wider range of terms."<br />
::::::**Yes -- we get to choose what happens to our stuff even after the first licensing.<br />
::::::*"In general, users make their multi-licensing desires known on their user page by way of a banner or some description of their wishes"<br />
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:::::::"Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times."<br />
:::::::What answer have they given and to what?<br />
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:::::::"Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions."<br />
:::::::I assume a warning/banning? I'm the one who is coming with some actual facts and evidence to back my claims up. Or were you talking about yourself there? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:19, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Oh yeah. This too [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License]:<br />
:::::::*"These exemptions allow a GFDL-based collaborative project with multiple authors to transition to the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license '''(which would normally require the permission of every author)''', if the work satisfies several conditions" (emphasis is mine). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:25, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::"However, individual contributions are not by themselves derivative works because they do not contain any of the original work, as the copyright still remains with the author. It is within one's rights to license those contributions under any terms one prefers, so long as one does it in addition to also being covered under the CC-BY-SA license." &ndash; have you read the GNU FDL v1.2? A single period in a sentence does not mean that is how it is, end of story. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:29, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Green Dragon, did they steal any work you authored? My guess is no. If no one has come to them with a legit claim of "you stole my class 'Forest Avenger'", then I suspect original authors consented to this re-licensing of their works under CC-BY-SA. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:39, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Yes, they did. Much of my work, for example, was stolen. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Considering individual contributions don't count toward "your work", as your above comment clearly indicates, I am genuinely surprised by that. I recall having to move over any of my contributions I wanted on their wiki. Can you give a specific example of a class, feat, or other page that you wrote that is on their wiki? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 17:55, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::[[3.5e Homebrew]] and many spells I worked on, for example. And how does my comment not indicate that also, yes, user contributions are important? And why does this matter? Why is this continuing to be discussed? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:32, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Why are we still discussing this? Because, as the page clearly states, we can continue to discuss this. Clearly some people disagree with your ruling. I am under the impression that any content on their site is there under a second license, and therefore not illegal. You've yet to provide any evidence to the contrary. You claim they stole "3.5e Homebrew". What, all of it? That is clearly untrue. Perhaps you mean the page itself? Well, their code is pretty different from ours here, I checked. A bunch of spells you worked on? Again, I notice a distinct lack of names. Furthermore, if they are spells you ''worked on'', rather than ''created'', the original author may have released them under the new license, as I have suggested is likely. This is an important distinction to make, because we are on an MMC. As your citation of the GNU FDL v1.2 clearly states "individual contributions are not by themselves derivative works because they do not contain any of the original work, as the copyright still remains with the author". This means that if I make a spelling correction on a page, I am not considered an author. If you ''worked on'' a page by formatting it a certain way, or making a minor change, you don't get to count yourself as the original author. The original author, whomever they may be, may have released their content under a new license. You'd have no way of knowing, as they aren't required to tell you about it. You've not provided any evidence of them committing a crime, but continue to accuse them of ones. That, my friend, is why we are still discussing this. <br />
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:::::::::::::On another note, if you are going to hand out warnings on this page, may I suggest you give one to Hooper for his direct rudeness to others when he called them "brutish". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:Archtyper's comment is right on, as is Badger's; your allegations are not only offensive but also groundless and unprovoked. You're the one treading on risky legal ground by throwing accusations of stealing information when the original authors were well within their rights as the original creators to take their own works elsewhere under a different license. You should give yourself a warning for a change and stop making completely false and unspecified accusations in an issue where you are displaying a clearly distasteful bias towards the other party. You are only causing more problems for yourself by falsely accusing others of wrongdoings that you cannot present evidence to support. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 21:14, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::To continue this discussion you need to provide something new to the discussion. As Wikipedia and the FSF does, so does law. Please note "copyright"; "so long as one does it in addition" and please read the GNU FDL v1.2. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:36, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::I think I've found the root of the problem here. Green Dragon, when you read the GNU FDL v1.2, you read this part:<br />
{{quote|You may copy and distribute the Document in any medium, either commercially or noncommercially, provided that this License, the copyright notices, and the license notice saying this License applies to the Document are reproduced in all copies, '''and that you add no other conditions whatsoever to those of this License.'''|orig=GNU FDL v1.2, bold added for emphasis}}<br />
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:::Here's the problem: That bolded section refers to additional conditions added to the GNU FDL content. It means if it is ''only'' released under GNU FDL v1.2, then you can't add on conditions like "you must pay me a royalty for every copy sold". That line, however, '''does not''' restrict relicensing. Any content on D&D-Wiki.Org has been relicensed, and is not bound by the rules of the GNU FDL v1.2 as they are on this wiki. I'd like to end this comment as I end so many others: Nothing illegal is going on. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:18, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Did you read section 9? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I have read Section 9. The clause you are referring to states that you may have no other conditions. Relicensing does not qualify as a condition. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:00, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::What are the conditions of the new license? The FSF would not have overlooked something like this when I asked them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:06, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Considering it's not under GNU FDL v1.2 it shouldn't even matter, but here are the conditions:<br />
:::::::*You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work.<br />
:::::::*If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.<br />
:::::::It's in the same spirit as the GNU FDL v1.2, but is specially designed for wikis and other MMCs. It is the standard CC-BY-SA. Really, it's the license we should be using, but that's a different discussion. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::''Discussion moved from [[User Talk:Hooper#On DnD Links and Alternate Communities]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</small><br />
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::::::::I ''almost'' completely agree with you. I am totally content focusing on a single wiki. I spend nearly all my time here. I only check them when we're down here. I don't see why we should pretend they don't exist, though. Sometimes we'll get a user who has a question that could be better addressed by them. In the spirit of communal nerd building, we might as well allow links. If someone wants to support a campaign over there to allow links to here, I'm guessing they'd be ok with that. They might not send a lot our way, but I doubt they'd fight links that were well placed and reasonable. -- [[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:31, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Yeah. I personally feel like saying "lets not go out of our way to co-link, but if its a common sense linkage by a user, let it be" then we should be okay. But then we get into "what defines common sense link" and all that psycho analyzation. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:13, 29 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::That is a sentiment I ''completely'' agree with. I don't expect us to include a little template at the bottom of every page with a "See this link on D&D-Wiki"; I just want to be able to answer a question on a talk page with "If you're trying to get in tough with Eiji, try his talk page <here>", with an external link, and not get banned/blocked/warned for solicitation. I don't imagine we're ever going to merge back into a single wiki, and I'm fine with that. I'm just looking at it from a community standpoint, and I want to be helpful to as many people as I can, and alienate as few as possible. It looks as if Green Dragon is realizing that is a reasonable request. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:33, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Right, but still the conditions of the two different licenses are different. I agree allowing links to them is an idea. I would be totally for it save this licensing problem. It really boils down to that if D&D Wiki allows a disregarding of the GNU FDL v1.2 then we creating confusion for users who are submitting with the GNU FDL v1.2 in mind as well as those who desire to use D&D Wiki's content. For example would the [[Coin Golem (3.5e Creature)]] have had the same results or would a serious problem have occurred? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Point of order: what exactly is the FSF you keep referring to? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:42, 30 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::FSF is the Free Software Foundation. I'd link, but links other than wikipedia have got me banned in the past, even though they were helpful... Google it if you are interested. They are the people that created the GNU licenses (including the FDL one that this wiki uses). Green Dragon is probably thinking that free software cannot be relicensed and is projecting that idea on what free documentation should be like (which isn't even true -- look at MySQL for an example of software that is both dual-licensed and has been relicensed). The tricky thing about free software published under the GNU is that it often has multiple collaborators and won't really work if a single module authored by a single person is removed. The point of the GNU is to protect that from happening: the author is forgoing the right to remove the module from the project they are working on. The author is '''not''' forgoing the right to relicense the particular module.<br />
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:::::::::::::As a quick example: If I write a piece of code that adds two numbers together (trivial, but this is just an example). I could publish said piece of code as part of a library of math code routines that is under the GNU. If I later want to remove my code from that library for whatever reason I cannot. I lost that right when I published it under the GNU. Other authors can pick up the code I left and maintain it as they like as long as they publish it under GNU (which is a key point here -- the license applies to what other people can do with your work). I ''can'', however, copy that code over to a new math library I'm working on with another group that is published under a different license (say CC-by-SA).<br />
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:::::::::::::And that example is exactly what is happening here. The only case where there can be some stickyness is when multiple authors collaborate on the same piece of work. Collaboration means new ideas and content, not minor corrections. In the case of coding, that means that bug fixes and code cleanup generally don't count (some exceptions exist in the case of a bug fix that adds new features, for instance). In the case of written documents, typo corrections and formatting doesn't count. And, as I said before, the other wiki would be more than happy to address any issue where there is multiple authors and at least one did not consent to the transfer. And if they weren't more than happy (which I highly doubt), I'd champion the issue :P. I don't know of any content that such a situation applies to, however. All of the content that was moved from this wiki and relicensed was created by the original authors (excluding typo corrections and formatting, which are not an issue). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 09:24, 30 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=520049Help talk:D&D Links2011-05-27T23:25:54Z<p>Aarnott: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::If by "illegal" you mean things like child porn or bootlegs, then sure, we shouldn't post there. But something that we need a team of lawyers to decide whether or not it's breaking the law (and even then, they probably wouldn't all agree)? Probably not that big of a deal. If it's clear we don't endorse it (and it is), then what's the fuss? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:10, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::According to the official GNU FDL 1.3 FAQ, 'The primary change is the addition of section 11. This new provision allows certain materials released under this license to also be used under the terms of CC-BY-SA 3.0. For more information about exactly what materials can be licensed this way, see the related questions below. As part of this change, we also introduced a new definition in section 1.<br />
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*In order to license an FDL-covered work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, a few conditions must be met:<br />
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1. The work must be available under the terms of FDL 1.3, which provides you with this permission. If the work was released under the terms of “the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2 or (at your option) any later version,” then it meets this criteria.<br />
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2. The work must not have any “Cover Texts” or “Invariant Sections.” These are optional features in all versions of the FDL.<br />
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3. If the work was originally published somewhere other than a public wiki, it must have been added to a wiki (or some other kind of web site where the general public could review and edit the materials) before November 1, 2008.<br />
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4. All FDL-covered material added to Wikipedia before November 1, 2008 satisfies these conditions.<br />
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Source: "GFDL v.1.3 FAQ", GNU Project. Free Software Foundation, n.d. Web, 27 May. 2011.<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.<br />
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:::Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.<br />
:::The rest is mostly written to Green Dragon:<br />
:::Green Dragon, you may benefit from reading the following from wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works]. Here are a few facts about the legality of this whole ordeal:<br />
:::*Creative works (ie. homebrew in this case) is the property of the author, regardless of what licenses the author decides to release it under.<br />
:::*GNU FDL applies to what people ''other than the author'' can do with the creative work. Actually, this is the case for any license. The author always owns their own creative work.<br />
:::*An author can re-release their own work under multiple licenses.<br />
:::Having established that, it is pretty clear the other wiki is not violating any laws. There is a case where the GNU FDL might take effect and that is the case of where there are multiple creative contributors (note that copyediting does not count!) and one or more the the contributors do not agree to re-release the content under the new license. I can say with a fair bit of certainty that anything that the other wiki has "taken" was created by singular authors (or at least consenting authors). If you can find ''any'' case where this is not true, I am certain that the other wiki would remove the content. From my experience, they are actually far ''more'' proactive than this website with respecting proper licensing laws (for example this website does not follow proper image licensing laws or at least isn't clear about what licensing for an image is).<br />
:::Now, just to make some things perfectly clear, Green Dragon:<br />
:::*You do not own the work of other authors.<br />
:::*You cannot sue for copyright infringement in place of other authors.<br />
:::Okay. Legality aside, let's talk about the root reason behind this. It might be a bit of speculation on my part, but someone mentioned that it seemed that you were almost ready to bury the hatchet and stop this nonsense of "don't talk about the other wiki" (that's why I'm even at this site right now). I'm certainly ready to let the past be the past, but you need to understand that it offends people when you muck around with their creative works. I honestly think that this whole business would never have got out of had if that offense wasn't made. We finally relented that, yes, you can totally not delete our creative work because we did choose to license it under FDL and that you ''might'' have grounds to remove the author box (but at this point nobody really cares anymore). And now this silly business of suing us for relicensing our own creative works?<br />
:::Well, it is a bit offensive, frankly. People don't like being told that they don't own their ideas (note: they do). So here is my point: just drop this whole nonsense about legality. You are just reigniting flames by offending the authors from the other wiki and for no real point. You have no actual legal grounds (unless we have messed up in some corner case with multiple authors, in which case it will be corrected -- just let me know). And, you know, it would be nice of you to actually keep the link here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:33, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use. You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do. Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times. Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Don't {{Warning/Text}} threats of lawsuit against this other wiki go against the general idea of open source and creative commons? --[[Special:Contributions/80.2.187.238|80.2.187.238]] 16:07, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::No. It's about adhering to the law, normally a precursor to understanding one's contribution is in good hands (democracy equates to laws with reason). And what does this have to do with open source or creative commons? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:20, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
:::::::I never said that. Please don't strawman.<br />
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:::::::"You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do."<br />
:::::::Really? You actually believe that I'm just making up things to do with authorship laws? This page from wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multi-licensing] explains quite succinctly that every single edit a user makes on a wiki is totally theirs to license. Yes. This means I can take crap I wrote an relicense it freely. That applies to anyone here. If you want some specific excerpts:<br />
::::::*"A number of users have chosen to release their contributions under some other license, or even to release their contributions into the public domain. Dual- or multi-licensing is not required or suggested by Wikipedia, but some users—for a variety of ideological or other reasons—prefer to release their contributions under a wider range of terms."<br />
::::::**Yes -- we get to choose what happens to our stuff even after the first licensing.<br />
::::::*"In general, users make their multi-licensing desires known on their user page by way of a banner or some description of their wishes"<br />
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:::::::"Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times."<br />
:::::::What answer have they given and to what?<br />
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:::::::"Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions."<br />
:::::::I assume a warning/banning? I'm the one who is coming with some actual facts and evidence to back my claims up. Or were you talking about yourself there? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:19, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Oh yeah. This too [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License]:<br />
:::::::*"These exemptions allow a GFDL-based collaborative project with multiple authors to transition to the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license '''(which would normally require the permission of every author)''', if the work satisfies several conditions" (emphasis is mine). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:25, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=520046Help talk:D&D Links2011-05-27T23:19:40Z<p>Aarnott: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::If by "illegal" you mean things like child porn or bootlegs, then sure, we shouldn't post there. But something that we need a team of lawyers to decide whether or not it's breaking the law (and even then, they probably wouldn't all agree)? Probably not that big of a deal. If it's clear we don't endorse it (and it is), then what's the fuss? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:10, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::According to the official GNU FDL 1.3 FAQ, 'The primary change is the addition of section 11. This new provision allows certain materials released under this license to also be used under the terms of CC-BY-SA 3.0. For more information about exactly what materials can be licensed this way, see the related questions below. As part of this change, we also introduced a new definition in section 1.<br />
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*In order to license an FDL-covered work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, a few conditions must be met:<br />
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1. The work must be available under the terms of FDL 1.3, which provides you with this permission. If the work was released under the terms of “the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2 or (at your option) any later version,” then it meets this criteria.<br />
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2. The work must not have any “Cover Texts” or “Invariant Sections.” These are optional features in all versions of the FDL.<br />
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3. If the work was originally published somewhere other than a public wiki, it must have been added to a wiki (or some other kind of web site where the general public could review and edit the materials) before November 1, 2008.<br />
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4. All FDL-covered material added to Wikipedia before November 1, 2008 satisfies these conditions.<br />
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Source: "GFDL v.1.3 FAQ", GNU Project. Free Software Foundation, n.d. Web, 27 May. 2011.<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.<br />
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:::Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.<br />
:::The rest is mostly written to Green Dragon:<br />
:::Green Dragon, you may benefit from reading the following from wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works]. Here are a few facts about the legality of this whole ordeal:<br />
:::*Creative works (ie. homebrew in this case) is the property of the author, regardless of what licenses the author decides to release it under.<br />
:::*GNU FDL applies to what people ''other than the author'' can do with the creative work. Actually, this is the case for any license. The author always owns their own creative work.<br />
:::*An author can re-release their own work under multiple licenses.<br />
:::Having established that, it is pretty clear the other wiki is not violating any laws. There is a case where the GNU FDL might take effect and that is the case of where there are multiple creative contributors (note that copyediting does not count!) and one or more the the contributors do not agree to re-release the content under the new license. I can say with a fair bit of certainty that anything that the other wiki has "taken" was created by singular authors (or at least consenting authors). If you can find ''any'' case where this is not true, I am certain that the other wiki would remove the content. From my experience, they are actually far ''more'' proactive than this website with respecting proper licensing laws (for example this website does not follow proper image licensing laws or at least isn't clear about what licensing for an image is).<br />
:::Now, just to make some things perfectly clear, Green Dragon:<br />
:::*You do not own the work of other authors.<br />
:::*You cannot sue for copyright infringement in place of other authors.<br />
:::Okay. Legality aside, let's talk about the root reason behind this. It might be a bit of speculation on my part, but someone mentioned that it seemed that you were almost ready to bury the hatchet and stop this nonsense of "don't talk about the other wiki" (that's why I'm even at this site right now). I'm certainly ready to let the past be the past, but you need to understand that it offends people when you muck around with their creative works. I honestly think that this whole business would never have got out of had if that offense wasn't made. We finally relented that, yes, you can totally not delete our creative work because we did choose to license it under FDL and that you ''might'' have grounds to remove the author box (but at this point nobody really cares anymore). And now this silly business of suing us for relicensing our own creative works?<br />
:::Well, it is a bit offensive, frankly. People don't like being told that they don't own their ideas (note: they do). So here is my point: just drop this whole nonsense about legality. You are just reigniting flames by offending the authors from the other wiki and for no real point. You have no actual legal grounds (unless we have messed up in some corner case with multiple authors, in which case it will be corrected -- just let me know). And, you know, it would be nice of you to actually keep the link here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:33, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use. You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do. Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times. Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Don't {{Warning/Text}} threats of lawsuit against this other wiki go against the general idea of open source and creative commons? --[[Special:Contributions/80.2.187.238|80.2.187.238]] 16:07, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::No. It's about adhering to the law, normally a precursor to understanding one's contribution is in good hands (democracy equates to laws with reason). And what does this have to do with open source or creative commons? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:20, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Wrong. Wikipedia is not plagiarized and see also its Terms of Use". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
:::::::I never said that. Please don't strawman.<br />
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:::::::"You are making something up to suit your needs, which only a country/international treaty can really do."<br />
:::::::Really? You actually believe that I'm just making up things to do with authorship laws? This page from wikipedia [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Multi-licensing] explains quite succinctly that every single edit a user makes on a wiki is totally theirs to license. Yes. This means I can take crap I wrote an relicense it freely. That applies to anyone here. If you want some specific excerpts:<br />
::::::*"A number of users have chosen to release their contributions under some other license, or even to release their contributions into the public domain. Dual- or multi-licensing is not required or suggested by Wikipedia, but some users—for a variety of ideological or other reasons—prefer to release their contributions under a wider range of terms."<br />
::::::**Yes -- we get to choose what happens to our stuff even after the first licensing.<br />
::::::*"In general, users make their multi-licensing desires known on their user page by way of a banner or some description of their wishes"<br />
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:::::::"Also, ask the FSF&ndash; they have given me the same answer multiple times."<br />
:::::::What answer have they given and to what?<br />
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:::::::"Continuing to misinform users will result in repercussions."<br />
:::::::I assume a warning/banning? I'm the one who is coming with some actual facts and evidence to back my claims up. Or were you talking about yourself there? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:19, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Help_talk:D%26D_Links&diff=520008Help talk:D&D Links2011-05-27T19:33:53Z<p>Aarnott: /* http://www.dnd-wiki.org */</p>
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<div>== Kingdoms of Kalamar ==<br />
I recently started working Kalamar as a setting in my tabletop games, and would love to post some information here... But that would take too long right now. HOWEVER, could we put the link to the Living Kingdoms of Kalamar website?<br />
Link: http://www.kenzerco.com/index.php?cPath=25_28<br />
Thanks! -- [[User:xidoraven|xido]] 10:33, 19 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Very usefull links ==<br />
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Here are a few links that I find VERY usefull. Sinse I am unclear about copyright rules I felt it was better to post them here in discussion. Feel free to add or delete them as you see fit.<br />
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I find these links to be very usefull in my own campain writing.<br />
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http://nine.frenchboys.net/<br />
The best name genorator I have found. Simple and effective.<br />
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http://www.pathguy.com/cg35.htm<br />
A very good charecter genoration tool. I use this for all the importaint NPCs that I make. Also, it helps to put a players charecter through this so you can double check your math.<br />
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http://www.20000-names.com/<br />
Lots of good names. The website is annoyingly full of advertisments.<br />
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http://www.aarg.net/~minam/npc2.cgi<br />
A good NPC genorator. It is faster and more random then the genorator above, and also will create multiple charecters at once. It will add a few random background details that are usefull for when your players start asking annoying questions.<br />
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http://forums.rpghost.com/<br />
This Forum looks usefull, but I havnt had time to explore it much. I cant recomend it yet but I hope I will be able to soon.<br />
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--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 15:57, 1 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Free free to add them, they all look good. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 4 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Sweet. Dont add them for me, I need to learn this stuff. --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:24, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::Okay, will do. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:34, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::Um... cant seem to find an edit button. Apparently I failed my seach check.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:37, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::Ah... I forgot to check if this page is protected, which it is. I will un-protect it until you have added them (about half an hour). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:42, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Sorry about the bad timing. I logged out right after my last post, and didnt check back untell now. I can't make the change today because right now it is (trumpit fanfare!) game time! Im sure you wouldn't hold THAT against me.--[[User:Mander|Mander]] 16:57, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Not at all ''':)'''. I'll just leave it unlocked until you edit it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:48, 5 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Done --[[User:Mander|Mander]] 14:51, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::::Thanks for doing that, and that page has been locked again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]]<br />
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== Point Buy Calculator ==<br />
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I found a quick-to-load, quick-to-run point buy calcuator at http://www.hackslash.net/?p=73. It's probably fairly basic, but was a godsend to me as a noobie. There are some other D&D typish tools at the site as well. --[[User:Arohanui|Arohanui]] 13:26, 17 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I have added it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:00, 18 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Character Sheet ==<br />
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Personally one of my favorite character sheets. Well organized and color coded for easy use. [http://www.mediafire.com/?m1jerz3gypp Created by SombreNote] {{Unsigned|76.111.162.234|18:47, 8 April 2008 (MST)} <br />
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:To add this we would need a static link which does not just redirect the visitor to another link. If you can supply such a link this will be considered. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:00, 9 April 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I changed the link to the download page.<br />
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== Useful resources ==<br />
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I'd like to post some websites that have useful, and *free* resources.<br />
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The first is Planewalker--Spells, Creatures, and Equipment<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/travel.php (the spells)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/snail/equipment.php (the equipment, the top section is for undefined items and the lower sections have equipment, magical items, and artifacts)<br />
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http://www.planewalker.com/codex/monsters.php (creatures)<br />
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== Naming Error ==<br />
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Basic DnD is reproduced as [http://www.goblinoidgames.com/labyrinthlord.htm Labyrinth Lord], OSRIC is ADnD 1st edition, which are different games.<br />
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== New Campaign World ==<br />
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http://www.zyanyacampaign.com/ - Has a lot of free content, as well as forums and chatrooms for gaming.<br />
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== New Section? ==<br />
Should we add a section of links to Gaming Organizations/Groups, such as RPGA, O.G.R.E.s, Ultimate Gamers, etc? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:14, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Useful Links ==<br />
if we're adding links to this page, my hands down favorite refrence is [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/ Pen Paper Pixel] they have [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20spellfilter/ spell filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20monsterfilter/ monster filters], [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/tools/d20encountercalculator.htm encounter calculators] (for XP and loot), and of course a lovely dice bag. Not to mention a very helpful, auto-updating [http://www.penpaperpixel.org/downloadspage/ppnpplayercharactersheets.htm PDF character sheet], which everyone in my party uses. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:21, 1 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Eddition ==<br />
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All DnD pages are being moved to their corresponding editions. This paqe needs to be moved to either 3.5e or 4e. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:50, 23 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== http://www.dnd-wiki.org ==<br />
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I do not think that [[DnD Links#Dungeons and Dragons Wiki|this link]] deserves a spot on this list. The organizational structure as well as much of the content is under a different license and in all reality one needs to start a court case and get it removed from this violation of law. As such I do not think that it is a a good idea to direct users there. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:30, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:According to the bottom page of their wiki, you are free to copy, transmit, adapt, or distribute anything on their site, as long as you attribute it properly. As long as you don't take their content, and then modify and sell it, you're within legal bounds. I see no reason why we should remove a link because you don't like their organizational structure. I am positively disgusted by the Grand OGL wiki, but I don't complain about that site. I've been there, realized I don't like the way they do things, and haven't been back. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 13:46, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::This is getting a little ridiculous. It's obvious that GD doesn't like the other wiki, and is finding excuses to keep from linking there. If someone would just come out and explain what the big problem is then maybe this would all make sense. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:41, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::Much of the content is from here. That's where the problem is. It's not whatever [[User:Badger|Badger]] is talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::This wiki used to claim that users could remove *their own* content at any time. When users started to, this wiki outright changed the content rules, and Green Dragon changed the rules, literally claimed ownership over things other people wrote, and now wants to sue people for posting their own classes elsewhere. [[Special:Contributions/24.131.19.27|24.131.19.27]] 16:52, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Really? This has nothing to do with D&D Wiki policies. It's unlawful. D&D Wiki is not a government/international treaty. The answer to your question lies elswhere&ndash; see pages like Wikipedia's Terms of Use. How do they have reuse things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:53, 25 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I removed this link as directing users these does not make sense for it is uncertain what they expect of users as they disregard law. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I hope you realize that you can be sued for libel for making such anger-motivated false accusations of illegality. And if you tell such lies to police, then you can be charged with making a false police report. Out in the real world, beyond the isolated alternate world that is this wiki, people are sometimes actually held accountable for malicious lies. [[User:Archetyper|Archetyper]] 01:03, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::First, what you have written above here is not understandable English to me. Second, what I ''think'' I understand, you don't want to direct users there because they break the law. You still haven't said what law they broke. Quit saying "they aren't a government/international treaty", actually tell me what they did. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:33, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I thought I did. Did you end up checking how Wikipedia's Terms of Use work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:41, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I just read the ToU, and here's what I have: "For any text you hold the copyright to, by submitting it, you agree to license it under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License". According to the bottom of their page, it says "Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported" which exactly what is required by the rules. Every seems fair and legal to me. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:55, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Right. So how are things under the GNU FDL v1.2 suddenly somehow not? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:02, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Actually, this begs a new question. I thought our policy was to use Wikipedia's policy? Why are we using GNU FDL, and not CC-BY-SA like they are? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:39, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? Its a site of brutish users ''(mostly, not all)'' and it had devolved far from D&D wiki's purpose. Plus, it seems to be down more than this site. So why send people there? Remove it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:50, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Hooper, no offense, but what are you going on about? Why use rules and policies when they wouldn't? What policies do we use that they don't? I mean, sure, there are a few things that we do differently, but that doesn't mean they have nothing to add to the Homebrew community. Wikipedia is full of brutish users and downtime, or D&D-wiki.org? Most everyone I've interacted with on either site has seemed quite nice (some are gruff, and some are silly, but the same could be said of this site). I've never seen their servers down, especially compared to the downtime in our past here. They devolved from our purpose here? Are they hosting content for tea parties now, instead of D&D Homebrew? Why would I link people there? I've, on multiple occasions, seen places where users have asked "anyone know how I can get in touch with <User on other Wiki>?". It would be helpful if I could say "Here, try their talk page on <this site>". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:03, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:''Policies'', not licensing. They are different. I agree&ndash; people should play D&D, but if a site is not adhering to laws then I don't think that directing people there is a good idea. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:09, 26 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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:::If by "illegal" you mean things like child porn or bootlegs, then sure, we shouldn't post there. But something that we need a team of lawyers to decide whether or not it's breaking the law (and even then, they probably wouldn't all agree)? Probably not that big of a deal. If it's clear we don't endorse it (and it is), then what's the fuss? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 08:10, 27 May 2011 (MDT)<br />
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::According to the official GNU FDL 1.3 FAQ, 'The primary change is the addition of section 11. This new provision allows certain materials released under this license to also be used under the terms of CC-BY-SA 3.0. For more information about exactly what materials can be licensed this way, see the related questions below. As part of this change, we also introduced a new definition in section 1.<br />
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*In order to license an FDL-covered work under CC-BY-SA 3.0, a few conditions must be met:<br />
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1. The work must be available under the terms of FDL 1.3, which provides you with this permission. If the work was released under the terms of “the GNU Free Documentation License, version 1.2 or (at your option) any later version,” then it meets this criteria.<br />
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2. The work must not have any “Cover Texts” or “Invariant Sections.” These are optional features in all versions of the FDL.<br />
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3. If the work was originally published somewhere other than a public wiki, it must have been added to a wiki (or some other kind of web site where the general public could review and edit the materials) before November 1, 2008.<br />
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4. All FDL-covered material added to Wikipedia before November 1, 2008 satisfies these conditions.<br />
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Source: "GFDL v.1.3 FAQ", GNU Project. Free Software Foundation, n.d. Web, 27 May. 2011.<br />
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::As near as I can tell, the other DnD Wiki is legally allowed to have its content under the Creative Commons. - Anon.<br />
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:::Anon, you are actually incorrect, unfortunately. This wiki uses GNU FDL 1.2 and no licenses can just suddenly retroactively patch a previous license.<br />
:::The rest is mostly written to Green Dragon:<br />
:::Green Dragon, you may benefit from reading the following from wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authors%27_rights] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_Literary_and_Artistic_Works]. Here are a few facts about the legality of this whole ordeal:<br />
:::*Creative works (ie. homebrew in this case) is the property of the author, regardless of what licenses the author decides to release it under.<br />
:::*GNU FDL applies to what people ''other than the author'' can do with the creative work. Actually, this is the case for any license. The author always owns their own creative work.<br />
:::*An author can re-release their own work under multiple licenses.<br />
:::Having established that, it is pretty clear the other wiki is not violating any laws. There is a case where the GNU FDL might take effect and that is the case of where there are multiple creative contributors (note that copyediting does not count!) and one or more the the contributors do not agree to re-release the content under the new license. I can say with a fair bit of certainty that anything that the other wiki has "taken" was created by singular authors (or at least consenting authors). If you can find ''any'' case where this is not true, I am certain that the other wiki would remove the content. From my experience, they are actually far ''more'' proactive than this website with respecting proper licensing laws (for example this website does not follow proper image licensing laws or at least isn't clear about what licensing for an image is).<br />
:::Now, just to make some things perfectly clear, Green Dragon:<br />
:::*You do not own the work of other authors.<br />
:::*You cannot sue for copyright infringement in place of other authors.<br />
:::Okay. Legality aside, let's talk about the root reason behind this. It might be a bit of speculation on my part, but someone mentioned that it seemed that you were almost ready to bury the hatchet and stop this nonsense of "don't talk about the other wiki" (that's why I'm even at this site right now). I'm certainly ready to let the past be the past, but you need to understand that it offends people when you muck around with their creative works. I honestly think that this whole business would never have got out of had if that offense wasn't made. We finally relented that, yes, you can totally not delete our creative work because we did choose to license it under FDL and that you ''might'' have grounds to remove the author box (but at this point nobody really cares anymore). And now this silly business of suing us for relicensing our own creative works?<br />
:::Well, it is a bit offensive, frankly. People don't like being told that they don't own their ideas (note: they do). So here is my point: just drop this whole nonsense about legality. You are just reigniting flames by offending the authors from the other wiki and for no real point. You have no actual legal grounds (unless we have messed up in some corner case with multiple authors, in which case it will be corrected -- just let me know). And, you know, it would be nice of you to actually keep the link here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:33, 27 May 2011 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=492759User talk:Green Dragon2010-10-29T21:47:07Z<p>Aarnott: /* My User Page */</p>
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== A different sort of game ==<br />
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I have a roleplaying game known as World Tree which uses skill advancement instead of class advancement. A character in the game is given a number of skill points at creation with no restrictions as to where they may go. I was thinking of doing a variant of this and even eliminating such things as abilities (there would instead be a lift and carry skill, for instance). I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss such a different system but I was hoping to work with others on it. Can you make any suggestions? My e-mail is brenner.mike at gmail.com<br />
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Thank you for your time, -Michael Brenner. {{Unsigned|204.210.188.32|10:23, 12 December 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:Well a few options exist. How different is it from D&D? One option is to make a "radical" variant rule out of it; keeping the structure on D&D Wiki in general. Another option is to make a self-contained wiki (like WikiRPS); hosting could be discussed if that is the desired option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:01, 12 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Aura Guardian ==<br />
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Hey Green, I was wondering if you would mind looking over the Aura guardian and see if anything so far could be abused? Also let me know what direction I should focus in, Defense of adding some offensive choices. Ive considered a VERY restrictive spell list, like maybe only the healing domain up to 4 and protection up to 4. Not sure. Also I could use some help with the flavor for anyone else reading this! Thank you in advance. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:30, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:03, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Brawler, fair fight ==<br />
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heya, i've been using this web site for ages and it's awesome, a player notified me of the Brawler class.<br />
At 7th level i think, he gets a special ability called fair fight, i was just looking at it and thought it was... well a little overpowered/little... silly (sorry if that offends btw.)<br />
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The feat basicly entails that people make a save or drop there weapons because it would be unfair otherwise... this gives a huge advantage to the brawler, as well as seeming silly as people who want him dead wouldn't think that they should kill him fairly (mostly) and those who would can normally be persuaded/ goaded into it. The skill might be relevant if the brawler had any actual arcane/divine powers but other then that he does not.<br />
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Anyway, asides from that it is an awesome class, a monk without the code of laws and from what I've seen of it a very balanced class except that.<br />
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Constructive criticisms ahoy! (Btw, i let my player have a feat rather then the ability)<br />
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== Talk page is really long/Review too ==<br />
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Your talk page is really long. Might be time to archive. Hehe. Peace. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:50, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:GD, can you do me a big favor when you get a chance. I read your review of the Aura Guardian 3.5e Class. It was a flawless review. I was hoping you could give the Freerunner 3.5e Class a similar review. Currently the class is rated 20/20 and could really benefit from your perspective in particular. Thanks a million. (Just if you get a free moment.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:09, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== 3.5e Creatures, Leader of the Hunt ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Leader of the Hunt (3.5e Creature)#Review]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== 4e Deities, Foamy the Squirrel ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Foamy the Squirrel (4e Deity)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:28, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Upgrade ==<br />
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Just noticed the new Media Wiki version! Awesome! Just having some issues, not sure if they are new or what but there is no more autoconfirmation group. So whenever I edit a page it is asking for a key code. Is this intentional? -[[User:Sleaker|Sleaker]] 06:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:[[Special:ListGroupRights]] and [[User talk:Green Dragon#Spam and ReCaptcha]] should answer your questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:47, 21 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== MSRD cleanup ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon: I think [[user:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] is the "official" go-to guy for the MSRD, but I think he's (semi)retired, so here I am. I use the MSRD all the time, and think it could benefit from some changes, namely wikilinks to other MSRD articles, especially the skills and feats. I wouldn't mind working on this project, but obviously all of the pages are locked. Where do you think I should go to start/discuss this project? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Is there anyone left who's in control of the d20 Modern side of things anymore? I posted [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=MSRD_Talk:Treat_Injury_%28Skill%29&oldid=455659 this] almost a week ago, but I don't think anyone noticed. There are some things that need cleaned up, and I would love to help out but 95% of it is locked. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to turn [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451096 this] into [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451102 this]. Or at a minimum, clear out all the typos. If there's anything I can do to help, or if there's someone else I should talk to, let me know. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well that would need to be discussed before changing with someone who knows D20 Modern better. Or if you would not mind explaining it a bit more (since both the links you supplied are from a subpage of your username - or do you mean just adding links to the article?). Do you see what I mean?<br />
::And, if you want to go through and add a few things throughout the MSRD and clean things up I would be more then willing to give you temporary admin rights for you to work a bit on that. Let me know please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 06:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::First of all, thanks for fixing those other links.<br />
:::Second, sorry about the confusion. I'm not trying to change wording or anything, just clean up some typos and make the pages more navigable. That page in my subspace is just a random page from the MSRD that I copy/pasted there to give you an example of what I want to do. If you look at the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AJazzman831%2Fworkspace&diff=451102&oldid=451096 diffs], you can see that the only thing I did was add wikilinks. (I had to do it in my userspace because I couldn't actually edit the article in question). As it is now, none of the pages have interwiki links, so if you are reading, for example, a class description and it references a feat, you have to go back up to the main MSRD page then navigate to the feat page then find your feat. I would just like to make the feat a link so all you'd have to do is just click it.<br />
:::If you're comfortable giving me temporary admin rights then I'm more than willing to help out. It might take a while, though, since there are a lot of pages![[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 13:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pooka Race ==<br />
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Sir, the rituals available for Wild Soul have always been listed there: <br />
"You can use any of the following rituals as if they were at-will powers, with no component requirements and without a ritual book: Animal Friendship, Animal Messenger, Commune with Nature, or Speak with Nature."<br />
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==Access==<br />
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Hi there, for some reason my username doesn't want to co-operate with me. I try putting in my password and I get a message saying that it's invalid. I try to get a new one sent and nothing ever shows up in my inbox. I want to get on here and post some more stuff and because of this, I can't. Can you help me out? -- Mythos Specialist<br />
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:Actually, never mind. I didn't have anthing fully finished anyway, so I made a new account. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh don't. As long as your email is correct it is not a problem. I just have to wait a few days to do it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I already posted a full core class to the new profile. But, if you can get my old account running, it'd make it a lot easier to do the transfer. Besides, I like the new name... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 13:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Classes, Thrillseeker ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Thrillseeker (3.5e Class)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 26 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Been away for a while ==<br />
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Hi Green Dragon. Ive been gone for a while - one of those who left during the 'great admin dispute' - I have come back though and was just curious what happened to the tavern. Thanks --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 10:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You'll find that after the 'great admin dispute,' as you call it, [[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 17#Recent Tavern Changes|the general consensus among those who were active before said incident seemed to be that the Tavern was superfluous and unproductive]], although I believe cost-engineering may be playing some part in its continued absence (inferred from the section above). -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First of all - that's what it was 'a huge dispute amongst the admins' that seemed to threaten the well being of the wiki (why i left) - but bygones be bygones<br />
::Personally I think that the tavern was a good thing - it allowed for more person to person feedback on content. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 16:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I wasn't disagreeing with your phrasing (though I have my own thoughts on said incident and subsequent changes), I was just using the same terminology to affirm that we were referring to the same event(s). --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::See also [[Discussion:The Tavern: use, expansion, and availability.]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeatedly adding a stat to ac. ==<br />
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One of my friends in my D&D group has been planning to add wisdom at least 3 times to his ac by taking various classes that allow wisdom to be added to ac. Is doing something like this allowed?<br />
BTW, the campaign we are doing is a gestalt, if that makes a difference.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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NO. It doesn't stack. Period. -- Mythos<br />
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Thanks much.<br />
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Also there is an argument going on in my group about bloodline levels. Some of my group is saying that bloodline levels raise class abilities such as sneak attack and other things that are simply made more powerful at regular intervals. The regular interval thing is the key to their argument since they say that means it is calculated by class level. I don't believe them. But do bloodline levels do what they say?<br />
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Hello I am with the above user. Do you have anywhere in any book where it specifically says that Mythos? <br />
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Thanks for the reply. <br />
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--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Mythos here...<br />
I'm pretty sure in the SRD (I don't have time to look it up) when it comes to modifiers, that you can only apply ability score modifiers once, like for instance bonuses to AC from a high DEX or WIS score. I think untyped bonuses do stack, however. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, as for gestalt (which I categorically despise), even under that, you can only, for instance, use one class' hit die at a time, in this case the higher. Ability modifiers work in much the same way. As for bloodlines, features such as spell save DCs, maximum skill ranks, caster level, those things are calculated using bloodline levels. Sneak Attack and such are only raised by actually having levels in said classes. Sorry to burst their power-gaming bubble. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the quick reply Mythos, only 1 of the classes actually have a type for the AC bonus thus the stat can be added 3 times. Also thanks for the reply regarding bloodlines! <br />
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Hold up. Which classes allow this to stack? Ability modifiers, as I've said, do not stack. By "untyped bonus" I mean bonuses granted by the class, or certain other factors, not including ability bonuses. This is done so as not to totally unbalance the game with class dips. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Many of the classes the player has allows you to add wisdom to AC. One of them is a deflection bonus, the other are just wisdom bonus to AC without any type. So what does this mean for the player? Can he add his wisdom once, or once as a deflection bonus and another as a regular bonus? --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 16:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would think once as untyped and once as deflection, but which class is it that adds it as a deflection?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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I'm pretty sure you can add your ability modifier only ONCE. It doesn't matter what the type is. As for adding ability modifiers from different ability scores, I know you can, 'cos the Duelist does it. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 17:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:While your interpretation is logical from a balance perspective, I'm pretty sure the reigning methodology is that while other types do not, untyped bonuses stack. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I agree that untyped bonuses stack, but not with themselves. eg adding wisdom twice to ac as an untyped modifier.<br />
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That's what I'm trying to explain here. Otherwise with a few clever prestige class dips, or worse, misusing gestalt rules, whilst doing same, you have a build that becomes utterly broken. Any bonus derived from ability score bonuses can only be applied once, right? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Logically yes, but I can't seem to find a rule that states this. --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 22:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It's out there, but I don't know where. I know I saw it, and it clearly said stacking the bonus for the same ability score doesn't happen. Here's a thought, though. In lieu of finding the rule, why not err on the side of common sense and not allow the bonus to stack? I mean, it works that way with magic spells that have the same effect as each other, so I'd be willing to bet ability modifiers don't stack either. It's just more logical. Otherwise, as I've said before, you can end up with something that completely wrecks the system. Also, has this player considered taking these 3 classes for the assumed triple-stacked Wisdom modifier as being incredibly munchkined? Because this kind of approach to a build is almost always about "Oooh, pluses!!" more than "Oooh, compelling character.." -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 03:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My new class ==<br />
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For anybody that pays attention to new material going up, I present to you the [[Battlemage (3.5e Class)|Battlemage]]. Enjoy. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirror mephit ==<br />
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Hello I have a question about : [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)]<br />
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Aristocrat 1 (race independent) Feat 1: Magical training (player's guide to faerun) Feat 2: Precocious Apprentice: Summon Mirror Mephit (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) Starting gold goes into purchasing a single vial of liquid pain.<br />
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Rounds 1->a Attempt to cast Summon Mirror Mephit until you can make the check. Optimization could allow this to autosucceed the first round, but it isn't needed Round b: toss your mirror mephit a vial of liquid pain, and have him use it with his spell-like Simulacrum ability As per the monster manual (which supercedes the SRD), a spell-like ability defaults to a standard action. With the vial, we have CL 9, sufficient to duplicate a 18 HD advanced efreeti (simulacrum is allowed to duplicate specific creatures). Divide the level by two, and we have a 9HD copy. Which is just as many hit dice as a normal efreet. Order the mirror mephit to order the efreeti to obey you completely before he vanishes.<br />
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You now have three free wishes. Start from step 4 of the above streategy.<br />
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The mirror mephit has 8th level for the caster level for simulacrum.<br />
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Did the liquid pain use as optional material component to improve the caster level by + 2 ?<br />
But simulacrum is a spell like ability, not a spell. Or use an other rule ? If yes, what page from book of evil darkness, please ?<br />
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The normal efreet has 10 HD, not 9. So, the caster level required is 10th level, no ?<br />
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Why do you choose aristocrast as class ? For the skills ? The starting money to buy liquid pain ?<br />
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Thanks for your future anwser.<br />
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:Once again, I fail to see the point in all this. Someone's misusing the rules for sure. Why not just be Pun-pun? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh wait, this IS Pun-pun. Listen, feedback loops are not supposed to work. Maybe as a glitch in video games, but in D&D, no. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Necromancer editing and advancement ==<br />
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Mr. Green Dragon:<br />
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Thank you for taking a look at my "necromancer" 4e base class. I developed it in conjunction with a colleague with whom I am playing a long-form campaign. <br />
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I seek your advice in improving the necromancer with two primary goals: I wish to, over time, produce a class whose quality ranks it among the best 4e homebrew classes on the site; and I want to make sure that the necromancer conforms ''in extremis'' to the D&D Wiki formatting standards. <br />
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As it stands now, I do not possess the proper knowledge to achieve those goals. So, to solve a few formatting problems immediately, I wish to clarify:<br />
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*Which powers listed on the necromancer main page need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Which necromancer powers listed elsewhere need to be moved to another page? Which other page?<br />
*Which creatures are listed on the necromancer main page that need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Given that worship of a specific deity confers a class feature power or bonus upon the necromancer character, why does the list of deities and their related class feature benefit need to be moved up to the "Overview: Religion" section?<br />
*Given that you can see clearly which information is currently in tables which use HTML instead of the wikimedia editing format ("Phantom level/damage", "Phantom potential actions", "deity/benefit"; I assume that the "level/maximum Phantoms" table is satisfactory already), how can I change those tables into wikimedia format within those power and creature templates? The reason I used an unorthodox "HTML splice" technique to insert those tables is because I could not use the wikimedia format to add the tables within the templates (as it was apparently beyond my coding abilities).<br />
*How can I cause the "Contents" list to show separate sections within the Necromancer Class Features section? I believe that that section has become long enough to merit separate sections within the Contents. <br />
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I think that with your help and the assistance of the other users we should be able to clear up these formatting issues relatively quickly. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 21:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, I have discovered an issue with the "Add or edit" radio button under "Add New 4e Power". When you replace "MyPower" in the text box with the name of your new power (for example, "Frigid Cyclone") and click the radio button, you are not directed to a text form to write the wikitext of the power. Instead, you are directed to a page that says "Add Form:4e Power: Frigid Cyclone (4e Power)" (again, "Frigid Cyclone" is the example power to be created) with a preexisting power box already below it, called "Blast of the Ancestors" (a "'vorgal' racial power"). If a user truly wants to create a new power, they must first click the "Show preview" radio button, which redirects to the appropriate text field. <br />
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What is the method by which we can alter the form so that it works properly? The origin of the "Blast of the Ancestors" power is the [[Vorgal (4e Race)]] page, where a link to the "Blast of the Ancestors" racial power is found under '''Racial Traits'''. (If you click on ''that'' link, which oddly says "1", you come to a page called "Form:Form:4e Power" which ''again'' shows the "Blast of the Ancestors" power box.) I don't know what happened, and until I get your input I don't want to touch it because I don't know the proper method for fixing the system (blank the form? Delete the form and recreate?). I ''suspect'' that the creator of the "vorgal" race somehow accidentally altered the very power creation form itself, instead of creating a new power. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 02:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== New Class ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I'm creating a new class for my D&d campaign and thought you might want to add it to your site and perhaps help me refine it as well. I call it the Summoner Class. Apparently, you already deleted an entry for it because it wasn't done too well. I can assure you, I put a lot of work into it so far, and will continue to do so till perfected. <br />
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Anyway, this normally wouldn't concern you except that I'm not too good at HTML code and was hoping that you could help make the page for me? I can email you the Word File that I've been working on so far. I have everything I think I need for the first page and I have all the way to level 7 powers (for now).<br />
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== Creative Commons ==<br />
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I was trying to add some content in the D&D Wiki Media and the only CC license there was the Attribution-Share Alike. The content I'm trying to add is under Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative license. Can that be added to the licenses? Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 16:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. In the license template just add it. For example <nowiki>{{license|Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, did it. However, when I added the image I forgot to put some characters and the link ended kinda weird. Now, when I try to edit it, the following messenge shows up:<br />
::out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen<br />
::I guess that that shouldn't happen (great insightful conclusion, I know...)--[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== archanist class ==<br />
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I was looking at your article on the archanist pretige class. I am curious as to why a class who's description refers to magic being deschooled and organized into one group, requires the player to give up nearly half of the available spells he can cast. This seems like a contradiction in the very nature of the prestige class.<br />
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you can contact me at kingdork5ooo@hotmail.com<br />
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== Ganteka RfA ==<br />
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I understand where you were coming from when you deleted my post, and I'd like to take a second to explain to you how I saw what happened: I posted a reminder to keep things courteous, as in the heat of the discussion everyone was beginning to get snippy (as you well know, from the number of warnings you gave out). You edited your post to make it seem less offensive, then deleted mine. My first reaction, I'm sorry to say, was "That jerk, he's deleting my comments and covering his own ass" (forgive my language, I'm being honest here, and this is, as far as I know, private. We're grown up, we have seen these words before). So you can see why I was upset, you made no mention that you were going to delete my post because the discussion was over. However, I have now understood what happened, and that's fine. I'm over it. I don't care that you edited your post so it seems better to you. I don't even care that you closed any and all discussion of the matter early. Whatever, I can live with that too. I don't care that you feel what you wrote was a "suggestion" or a "suggestion-like command", and not a breach of etiquette rules. Just, in the future, when you feel it necessary to delete one of my posts, I'd like to hear about it. That's why talk pages exist. Even if you didn't want to drop me a note on my talk page, you could have written in the summary of the page something to the effect of "Discussion has ended, edit has been deleted". I think as a fellow editor of this wiki, you owe me (and everyone else) that same courtesy. However, like I said, I'm moving on. I'm fine if we don't discuss this matter any further. Ganteka turned in his letter of resignation; I don't fully understand why we even went through this charade. Some semblance of cloture, I suppose. Thanks for your time, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 05:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The RfA is not over (when the RfA is it will be) just that discussion part was just so off-topic that it was over (it did not relate to Ganteka's2 RfA at all). Why was your comment after I stated "''This discussion is over from my post out.''" deleted? That is your answer. It was just too off-topic. Is that a breach of civility - recommending him to see a psychiatrist (which you asked to be addressed)? One, the correct place to discuss that is on [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. Two, I don't think so, I was just worried that that user was not thinking clearly (not meaning of less intellect - defiantly intelligent since he or she was able to respond completely). To me it is an honest worry since this user seemed to be contradicting him or herself and not noticing it. Although I could see of some which think that psychiatrists are not helpful to all in all regards (or I do not understand) who find it uncivil. I don't know, Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::If you were genuinely concerned with someone's mental state, it'd be best to confront them privately about it, not on a random webpage. That's more tactless than uncivil I suppose, though. And if you truly believe that everyone is equal in all ways, there shouldn't be any admins at all. I understand that you want to have people assigned to take care of certain things (making sure pages are formatted, redirecting things, fixing errors and the like), but this is creating distinctions between people on the wiki. Furthermore, things like "Maybe you like begging? Who knows. Irrelevant." and "This site is not "risky" for me, I don't need to step around on tiptoes. I don't care. I own the damn thing." do come off as hostile, even if that isn't your intent. Continuing, "having a blatant bias" sounds like something everyone on this wiki is guilty of. Do you suppose we can get a psychiatrist on a group rate? Continuing on, you are also guilty of that last bit. Take, for example, this quote "I suggest you take a look at Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2. These people only contributed to about 7% of the activity of D&D Wiki. That's not "prime" and "perfection" that's 7%. Please, once again, do research before presenting things." You wrote that on Ganteka's RfA. If you took the time to look back you might come across one of my posts. You were simply denying my math. I know what you want to say. You wanted to say that those 9 people accounted for 7% of the total wiki edits. That is correct. However, that was not the point of the argument. The point was that 10% of the wiki's registered users account for 90% of the wiki's edits. So take those 9 names, add in you and Hooper, and about 390 other top editors and you'll see that their total contributions will total about 90% of the edits. I am not going to make that any clearer, I don't think. That is a prime example of you ignoring facts and "having a blatant bias". And as for your systematic warning policy that "govern[s] all", it doesn't. No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him. "Discussions are not deleted on D&D Wiki." That's another gem of a quote of yours from the Ganteka RfA page of yours. Or how about " Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki? Yes, like 2938 times. No, not once. Yes, in a revision history and in a few edit summaries (User Talk: Eiji#Farmer revisions, and see edit contributions for edit summaries - "damn" was used, although not derogatory). Which are you going to trust?" I suppose you mean you swore on the farmer page. You also swore about the wiki 3 lines down. Does that count as proof? Taking a second to check out the farmer page (A really fun class, if I say so myself) you began the page with "Actually you can't move your things on D&D Wiki their - it's illegal. It's the CC and the GNU FDL v1.2. --Green Dragon 23:17, 11 November 2009 (MST)" and ended the page with "AND FOR THE LAST TIME ANYONE CAN REPUBLISH ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT IS UNDER THE GNU FDL v1.2 I HAVE SAID THAT ABOUT A MILLION TIMES AND SOURCED THE GNU FDL v1.2 IN THOSE PARTS AS WELL SO STOP REPEATING THAT WHICH I NEVER EVEN HINTED AT! --Green Dragon 14:26, 14 November 2009 (MST)". Just another example of contradictory statements that we all hate so much.One final note, check out the votes for RfA of people you stripped of admin rights. None passed. Not a single one. What's the point of having an election if we all already know the outcome? Feel free to say they could have been approved and kept their admin rights, but we both know that was never a possibility. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Badger, when I read this I was forced to ask: where are you getting your stats that those 7% of users account for 90% of the contributions on the wiki? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. I know GD has 50k+ edits, I've got slightly over 10k, and a couple of those that left had 8k or more. But for the most part they only had a couple hundred (if that) edits. I'd really like to understand where you're getting your figures from. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Those 11 users account for less than 10% of the users(something like .2%, in truth). A collection of the true 10% would be like 400 users. I've not actually found the top 400 contributors to the wiki. However, considering 11 have something along the lines of 30% of the edits, I assumed we could find another 390 that would get an approximation of 90% of the total edits. Not to sound rude, but I've got better things to do than to track down the top 400 contributors of the wiki (I'm sure most of us do). It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, but given the data I did collect, I'm pretty confident that the 90/10 theory applies to this wiki about as well as it applies to most every other wiki. However, feel free to ignore that tangent if you feel it is incorrect. Honestly, I've not done enough research to really defend that point. Like I said, I think it works but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. I'll accept any data you're willing to provide.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Proof is needed; a theory does not suffice. Another theory is that the entire world is only that which ''you'' can look around and see, touch, and in other ways influence. The rest does not exist. I don't exist. This wiki does not exist. Nothing exists except when ''you'' will it to. Is that then the case? Maybe, right?<br />
:::::Therefore 90% is not the case - proof is needed. Those edits accounted for under 7% (less now) of the activity. That's under 7%.<br />
:::::Your right about the tactlessness, sorry about that. Could we get a physicist at a group rate? Who knows, right.<br />
:::::"''No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him.''" you could be right, I do not know. It's very hard sometimes to analyze oneself the exact same - one's own biases and ideas make it much more complicated, I find. In any case I did not mean it in any way to make him feel belittled, I said it out of (although tactless) concern.<br />
:::::"''Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki?''" right, but damn is not a "gross profanity" word and it's not used referring to someone. I think (I could be wrong - let me know if I am please) that damn, in the English language, has a number of uses and word types and therefore it is permitted in some uses and instances.<br />
:::::About [[User Talk:Eiji#Farmer]] those are ''different'' licenses. That is not contradictory in the least.<br />
:::::''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''. Admins are granted those abilities by users by way of a nomination but that does not mean they should be treated the same.<br />
:::::And the systematic [[Warning Policy|warning policy]] ''should'' govern all. Am I above it? No... Do I want to be? Irrelevant. All conspicuous areas should be posted to [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"Users are equal does not mean that users should be treated the same" What does that mean? They are equal, but should be treated differently? How are they equal then? If you're treating something differently, it's not equal! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::"''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''" means a few things. One is that if one commits an act against a policy, policies being systematic in nature (e.g. the [[Warning Policy]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_policy], etc etc, one just has to look at bit) they are not necessarily treated the same. For example one cannot vote on nominations. One cannot edit the wiki, etc.<br />
:::::::Or, since admins are elected by users they are not "''treated the same''" although they are still users they can now also delete things, do things users cannot, etc, and as such held in different a different light. Do you understand what I mean kinda? I can explain more if you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think I'm done with this discussion. It's clearly going nowhere, and it doesn't even seem you're taking it seriously. You're making less and less sense, and I fear it's only a matter of time before one of us tries to ban the other (and I already know how that would turn out). So I'm going to leave you with this tip: Fix the description of the Warning Policy page. "When one does not edit with civility and etiquette one becomes a warning for each time" --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not understand. What do you mean exactly? The wording seems fine to me and all this is implied. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::As far as the wording, GD...It should be "when one does not edit with civility and etiquette one '''gets''' a warning for each time," they don't become a warning. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: He also swore [[User talk:Surgo#Wikia]], which, I'm assured, is much worse than the word 'damn', according to certain civil servants. Just thought I'd chime in for you guys. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 15:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GNU FDL ==<br />
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After watching the discussions over the past few months I have done extensive research into the GNU FDL. Any page without an updated author box is in void of the licence and no-longer licensed under the GNU FDL according to section 4B:<br />
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4. MODIFICATIONS<br />
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under<br />
the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release<br />
the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified<br />
Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution<br />
and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy<br />
of it. In addition, you must do these things in the Modified Version:<br />
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B. List on the '''Title''' Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities<br />
responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified<br />
Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the<br />
Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five),<br />
unless they release you from this requirement.<br />
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Before you say it is able to be in the history page:<br />
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For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means<br />
the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title,<br />
preceding the beginning of the body of the text.<br />
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And termination note:<br />
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9. TERMINATION<br />
You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except<br />
as expressly provided for under this License. Any other attempt to<br />
copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Document is void, and will<br />
automatically terminate your rights under this License. However,<br />
parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this<br />
License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such<br />
parties remain in full compliance.<br />
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In conclusion: Any authors will have to post their own authorship at the top of the page labeling the top 5 contributers (with each of their permission, as you are re-applying a licence) and also their name as publisher of the page. This means that any pages that do not currently meet these requirements (or any of the other requirements) can be removed by the author, as the licence requires permission from the copyright holder (the initial creator). If this licence is "re-applied" without the copyright holder's permission it is in breach of copyright laws and legal action may be taken. <br />
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I hope you understand fully and notify users correctly. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 13:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The bad thing about the license is it has never been upheld in a court of law, so really, no matter how much people may disagree, '''it really doesn't matter'''. Find a lawyer and sue, or shut up about it. If you win, then you'll be making a precedence that other sites can follow. <br />
:Finally, go over to wikipedia - the largest website in existence using the license. Do you see any author spots on the pages? '''NO'''. Now, does that mean all of wikipedia and the lawyers they hired to look into the subject are wrong and you few are oh-so-smarter? '''No again'''. It means that it has been deemed that in a wiki format, as long as each edit is cataloged in the history, then attribution has been made. If you guys think we're doing it wrong, then you must also by the same logic think that Wikipedia is doing it wrong. Please, go tell them, I'd love to see the responses you get for a such a brazen statement. <br />
:The following is a great quote to keep in mind: ''"...are (1) the five principal author listing (all the authors must be listed in 1.1; this is clearly not problem with Wikipedia as the history pages list all the authors of a particular GFDL work) and..."''. Additionally, ''"...The GFDL requires that the names of authors are preserved, and we keep a full record of exactly who wrote what in the history of each article...."''. It have even been said ''"...Editors are collaborators, not authors, and therefore have no rights (except for the right granted to them to reuse their contributions elsewhere). The rights are held by the individual projects, as publishers, and the foundation can act on their behalf....". Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that last one would also need to be upheld in court before we could say it is 100% true. <br />
:The best quote to keep in mind is a simple one: ''"..The "authors" are explicitly mentioned in the history log of every article. :I think you need to show evidence of why the history log is invalid as a record of authorship...."''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Wikipedia ''did'' use the GNU FDL. They changed recently. If, theoretically, you are right what do you say about "''List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version''"? Therefore, why are my edits not displayed alongside (for example)? This conundrum in your logic (which makes it not work) has been discussed at length on [[Talk:Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)#Author Template]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Under the license the fact that you edited must be shown, as you are an author. Also, you cannot compare wikipedia to this wiki, wikipedia is sourcing facts while this wiki are users creations. Also in that case wikipedia is the entity itself that holds the copyright for the information on the site, not the individual editors. Plus, the fact that they removed the GFDL is a sign that they came to a problem and had to remove it. Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page. Also Hooper, if the licence "doesn't matter" and has never been upheld in a court of law does that mean we shouldn't follow it? We shouldn't give users their rights? --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 00:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, I think Wikipedia just wanted to use a newer license. I could be wrong though. And you are incorrect. Wikipedia licenses everything therefore the same things do (well, did) apply.<br />
::::"''Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page.''" No. Anyone can revert anyones edits. That's silly to say. It's all part of the modified version. And, as I was saying, I think the "Title Page" is actually the line with the tabs on it (fulfills all the requirements) or maybe all the surrounding MW information. Why? The publisher, D&D Wiki, does need to be specific somewhere as well (maybe that is the logo - since it does not direct to an image). For example "''For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title, preceding the beginning of the body of the text.''"<br />
::::Let me know if this answers your copyright questions.<br />
::::{{quote|<br />
D. Preserve all the copyright notices of the Document.<br />
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E. Add an appropriate copyright notice for your modifications adjacent to the other copyright notices.<br />
|orig=[[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]]<br />
}}<br />
::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, we can compare this wiki to wikipedia and we are. If you are saying we are doing it wrong, then you are also claiming that wikipedia was doing it wrong during their time using this license. I suggest you seek legal counsel if you truly feel that way. We have the GNU FDL for many reasons, and I will not devolve into a straw man argument. If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever. Simple as that. In the meantime, either call your bluff of legal action or drop the issue. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever." So how am I supposed to take away the "hitting submit" that I have already done, how is anyone that thought there was going to be the author template meant to? "Anyone can revert anyones edits." So why can users not have the author template if they chose? And why would you refuse to change [[Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)]] back to the way Daniel Draco requested? Also, "Actually I think Template:Author is forbidden under this license." That's silly to say. It would be part of the document, having no effect on the licence itself. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Because that template is being removed... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Sabre, why don't we agree to disagree on how the license is properly applied in a wiki format. You go get a lawyer to prove your point, and that would sway my thoughts. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 02:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Ignoring fulfilling the licence (lets assume that history does cover it) is there any reason why people can't say "I made this"? Most articles on this wiki aren't a collaborative effort. Also, I don't need to get a lawyer, I don't care about your liabilities though I thought I would warn you seeing I was doing the research anyway (this wiki seemed as good as any for a practical example). --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::When you first brought the subject back up it just came across as if you were threatening to seek legal action. That is why I said that. I know sometimes with type it is hard to come across appropriately, so I am sorry if I misunderstood. The simple fact is, if wikipedia did it - we can do it. And yes it is a valid example. Wikipedia's contributors are writing in their own words using a system or information already available. Our contributors are creating content using a system and rules already available. If wikipedia says that history is fine, then history is fine. The mere fact that the largest supporter of GNU FDL in a wiki format does that would be a huge point in any legal defense of the action ''(I don't remember the legal term they have for that, but basically it is when something is unsure at first but then through practice becomes reality)''.<br />
::::::::::All that being said, I never cared for the author template. It's best feature to me was actually the "status" field where you can let a user know if something is still being figured out. I made a quick Article Status template and have used it instead for a bit. That is really all the information the average surfer needs. If someone wants to know who is the author, they can simply go to the history or any messages on the talk page about the article. It doesn't hurt anyone, and helps the average surfer have the content right up front. I really don't understand all the fuss. If someone ever added something to this wiki thinking that it would either be published and they could revert to sole ownership or that it would never change and be altered ''(which requires ignoring the warning every edit)'' then that was foolish.<br />
::::::::::Additionally, I know that you said you have researched it. So have I, and I believe TK back before he was banned. What I discovered since was simple. Since it hasn't been brought to legal court, you can basically research it and take with it what you want. If you want it to come across a certain way, you read it that way. In short: it's vague. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::I prefer that someone may take ownership, as the primary creator then people may go onto the history page to see who has contributed. On an open contribution site there should still be a way for the user to keep their own work as it is, even if it is under the GNU FDL. It can still be copied and edited on another website (with the history) though on this website would be their final creation. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You may indeed prefer that, but that goes against the very nature of a '''collaborative''' site. Short of vandalism or spam, and that means that you wish to retroactively not have to accept the warning that has been in place for every edit since the site began, which reads: ''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here''. This isn't a personal database for any of us to "dump" or "store" our ideas. It is a collaborative and dynamic site. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I understand that, though each creation needs a form of leadership. Collaboration is only good if you have a goal, in creativity each persons goals may be different and you will get members editing the pages to their liking. A author box provides the creator (presumably the primary contributor) to lead the project, taking in others ideas (as it has previously done through giving ideas on talk pages. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::See, now I like what you're saying. Let me say that in our case, an Author template could theoretically never be correct. Yes, it may just be by happenchance that a user puts up an article and other than formatting or spelling no one else changes it. But for some of the big articles, we may have 50 users and IP and at least one chuck norris vandal over years of it being online and at that point the author template would either be huge and obstructive or it wouldn't be able to give everyone due - invalidating it. I made a quick Article Status template that I personally like because it allows someone to say where they are in their own process on an article and gives other users an idea to work with. Because we are different in our content in that degree than say, my above example of wikipedia, I do believe that we could utilize some sort of Article Status/Goal template. This would allow people to assist each other and improve articles, without getting into the author debate. But maybe that is another talk for another day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Am I misunderstanding what is happening here? Hooper and Green Dragon seem to be arguing against having an Author template on a page. I don't see any problem with Author Templates. I think DnD Wiki is collaborative on the whole, meaning while each page has a unique author (or team of authors), the entire site's content is free for all and collaboratively edited. If I write a class (and I have), I want it to be my own. While I'm not going to pretend to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo, I would expect to be the next to last word on all edits (final word being an admin can choose to delete it if it is offensive or something and doesn't comply with policy, but that's it). If I've written a class I want my name on it; partly for credit, partly as a way for people to contact me, and partly because it makes me proud. We're going to take my name off my page because some random IP thinks I should get Power Attack as a bonus feat at level 2, and suddenly he becomes the author? No, that's just foolish.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not Exactly Badger. This discussion mostly is about the legal mumbo jumbo. The GNU FDL is vague in regards to it's implementations of author and title in a wiki format. Reading it one way, the Author Template would never ever be enough to give all the proper credit. Reading it the other way ''(the way wikipedia does)'', the Author Template is invalid and should be removed but history can never be deleted. <br />
:::::As far as "final word", we all have to keep in mind that there has always been a warning (which I quoted above) that once we submit content, it can be edited mercilessly. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Am I violating copyright? ==<br />
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Hello, GreenDragon, and thank you for your time. I am currently working on a page (Drevanius campaign setting) and I am wondering if including statistics of creatures (nothing else) from another DND source is violating copyright. The section is Creatures of Drevanius.<br />
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:What is the source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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You seem like a Very Knowledgable person, im currently working on designing an Epic level 3.5 Campaign, ive been designing NPCs Main chars and what not, and one of the main chars ive built diesnt have a name, as ironic as it is, it is a 15th Age Cat. Advanced Paragon White Great Wyrm of Legends, Leader of the Dragon council, and by far the strongest dragon among them, he is very unique and i just dont know what to call him, if you have the chance i would really appriciate it if you could shoot come good names at me, im just drawing a blank<br />
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Thanks - [[User:Envoyof aGod|Envoyof_aGod]] 19:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Something interesting...==<br />
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I noticed that your RfA was mysteriously and unexplainably deleted, Greeny. I was just curious what that meant for your re-nomination of adminship. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Read the subscript on [[RfA]] and this post will be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You mean the part where you belatedly added that you and Blue were exceptions to the RfA policy? Why yes, I did happen to read that. And the part where you said (and then removed) that if you were voted against, you'd demote yourself. Why taunt people with stuff you'll never do? --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed my mind, and the policy as such, relating to adminship about [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]'s and my admin status. It wasn't a "taunt". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::'Changing your mind' about something while a process is already being implemented (especially in regards to yourself when you're about to 'lose' because of the policy) is just low. Why the change of heart anyways? If you think you might 'change your mind' anyways, why bother having policies in the first place? Just 'change your mind' about anything you don't like, even if other people like it. Sure, sounds fair, reasonable and perfectly acceptable. Right. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not really fair huh. Oh well. D&D Wiki ''is'' also a physical thing (takes bytes, bandwidth, etc). Those physical aspects make it so the people relating to hosting and upkeep are not going to lose adminship (or bureaucratship; transparent in the case of [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Incidentally since it was mentioned, , whatever happened to Blue Dragon? He vanished from everywhere a few months before the big smash-up, and I've not seen hide nor hair of him since. Would be great to get in contact with him again (contacting him on the Wiki has been all but impossible, so, I suppose I'd need some alternate method.). -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 04:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::He's been around. He came around me during the winter holidays. He actually was the one who updated MW and the extensions, although he is not done. You want to contact him? I'll tell him to add back the "hosted by" part and when he does you can click it and contact him. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well hosting has been changed. But he checks his user talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Resignation ==<br />
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This is a notice to say that I will not be coming back to this wiki again. The issues you obviously have with control has caused me to lose faith in you and lose interest in the wiki. You have changed so much since I became admin, in more than one way. I would also like to point out that even though you own the physical server doesn't mean you have to be an admin here, you are only the host. Your attitude towards policies (and your need for power) were proven in you deleting your nomination for admin, when it was first posted you had began to fill it out and comply with the existing policy, then when the votes turned against you the policy was changed and the page deleted. You should go back and think about your actions, think about them from another point of view and see why those members left. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I will RfA you in a bit (with resignation as the reason or somesuch). I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship. Do you really not see how that is petty? One: This is not a democracy, although it has democratic influences. I don't care about all the democratic ways which things can be. It's not fair. Fairness, to me, is more important. On a different note they would no longer even edit, they may have just found it humorous to remove adminship from one who banned them for wrong actions. Look at it like this: Some people go to prison for committing crimes, they serve their time, they get out. After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor. Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care. This is not going to be like that. Do you understand where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say "Fairness, to me, is more important" do you mean "In my opinion, fairness is more important" or "It's more important for everyone to be fair to me, Green Dragon"? <br />
::''EDIT'': He means the first one.<br />
::Let me try and work through your analogy now: <br />
::*Some people go to prison for committing crimes<br />
::**Sabre070 <s>violated policy and was banned</s> was banned permanently <s>because of an inappropriate username</s> <s>without reason</s> with the implied reason that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] was banned, without reason (see his edits during the time), and was worried something was going on.<br />
::**<s>Later others disregard policies and get banned as a result (spamming the FA, unwarranted deletion, etc etc).</s> While true, it's irrelevant. We're talking about Sabre070 right now. If he did that we can include that in his "crimes". Otherwise, let's try to focus on the important issues.<br />
::*They serve their time, they get out.<br />
::**Then Sabre070's ban <s>expired</s> was undone 2 days later and he was allowed back into our open hearts once again, born anew, like a mighty Phoenix<br />
::*After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor.<br />
::**Sabre070 doesn't like how you lead, and tried to change that, by removing you from office (with an RfA).<br />
::*Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care.<br />
::** I don't care about what you think is fair, my word is <s>unimpeachable law</s> open to discussion, as long as we use logic. I, as Green Dragon, will delete that RfA, make new laws prohibiting future RfAs, and <s>pretend nothing happened</s> those are the results of the happenece. The deleted RfA's date and the revision history of [[RfA]] can be seen as evidence. This is my wiki, I own the damned thing.<br />
::--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC), with Green Dragon contributing.<br />
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:::I don't think [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] was banned though (save the small time right after I was banned). See also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ASabre070].<br />
:::Only the first way works, and not fully at that. I mean that fairness, as the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights is an important concept for me and how this site it run.<br />
:::"''my word is unimpeachable law''" - no. Things are discussed. Logic is used. I do not always get my way. It's just the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Allow me to amend my previous comment to reflect this new information. Until you reveal the true reason he was banned I'm leaving it as "without reason" because we both know there is nothing wrong with the username he'd been editing as since March of 2008.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I amended it as well, if you do not mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh, '''''"...I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship...."'''''. Best cliffnotes ever. <br />
::::::Related note: Should it be required that a person RfAing and the person being RfA's be '''X''' amount active on the wiki? I.e. so many edits, meeting a certain edit-per-month count, etc. etc.? I've always thought so. I also don't believe that votes from new or IPs should be counted in RfAs (Wikipedia doesn't count them - arguing that they may very well be single-purpose accounts). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I don't mind at all, facts are important! I think we are approaching the best approximation of the actual events. Can you fact check as to whether or not Sabre070 was involved in the goings on? I don't recall if he was, but he was unblocked 2 days later, so I assume he wasn't involved. <br />
:::::::Hooper, to address your question I always thought IPs were allowed to comment and such, but you had to be a registered user to actually vote (newly made voters subject inspection for meat puppetry).--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::That is a great question [[User:Hooper|Hooper]]. It needs to be discussed on [[Talk:Requests for Adminship]] though; this is not the place.<br />
::::::::Was [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] involved? Who knows. If you look at [[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2]] you can see a list of this so-called "RC Committee" - but not everyone on their was banned. E.g. [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]]. People were banned for doing actions against policy and/or violating their positions of authority. Bans are not given out for any other reason. The policy comes from Wikipedia. This committee was never implemented since it was illogical compared to alternatives, which are now in place. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::The so called "RC Committee"? If you had've looked I am not mentioned on that page once. Also, the reason for my blocking was that Aarnott had blocked Green Dragon for 3 days for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment: You are acting out of line right now. Perhaps you should clear your head and come back to this later... Otherwise, this site will lose a lot of its users." and he explains other reasons on his RfA. If I am looking at the block list correctly, you are saying that you are free to intimidate and harass anyone, though others aren't? Also, I like how you always say "we use logic here" (Green Dragon Logic) and also say that it is a wiki and not a dictatorship, yet also say that it is your wiki and you cannot get banned, un-nominated, or treated like any other user. <br />
:::::::::Also, I was not involved, the only edits I have done can be seen here: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=Sabre070&namespace=&year=2009&month=8 Contributions]. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I don't know where you guys all grew up or worked, but the person footing the bills makes the rules. You are free to disagree, but in the end it comes down to the owner makes the calls. It is obvious from months of the transientwiki crowd and it's fallout's attempts that you will get nowhere, so just save yourself the trouble and leave. The owner has the final say, whether we agree with it or not. To think otherwise is insane. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Ya, you can trust [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] fully, or you can look at my edit contributions during those days. Normal. A policy, which was not agreed upon, was implemented. As such it was removed. Next?<br />
:::::::::::The rest of what you said is not true. Well, I guess that means all of it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi Green Dragon ==<br />
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It appears that a recent edit of the 3.5e Open Game Content page appears to be taken whole or in part from my site (http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/publication-list).<br />
The reason I suspect this is because <br />
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Steve Russell Presents…<br />
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appears on your page. Steve Russell owns Rite Publishing and personally sent me that material to upload on the Grand OGL Wiki. So I think one of your users may have <br />
copy/paste that material.<br />
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If the DnDWiki intends to replicate the Open Game Content from my site on this site can you make sure that the section 15 for that material appears in your sites open game license.<br />
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If you wish to contact me about this matter feel free to email me at gedakm@gmail.com. I can put you in contact with Steve Russell if you like as well.<br />
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- Mark Gedak<br />
DM Sketchpad/Grand OGL Wiki<br />
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:On closer inspection of the similarities of our page, [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content]], and theirs, linked above - it seems like we have most of the bigger names where they go a bit more in depth, and that the random Steve Russell Presents is the only shared link that shows a common history of edit. However, I am really confused as to the request to alter our Section 15 of the OGL. In that same sense, we could argue that the entire website Grand OGL Wiki should change theirs as we existed before them. I just don't understand the real problem here. An OGC game is listed on an OGC page, and that is absolutely fine imho. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::See also [[Talk:Open Game License v1.0a#Attribution in Copyright Notice]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My Campaign Settings ==<br />
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I know that I havent made a great edit in quite a long while, but, I feel that my campaigns should be left up for people to edit. My addition, the Fallout setting has come under an attack of sorts and I feel that more can be done with it, just because one user starts something doesnt mean others can help pitch in, I have helped edit a few pages, even added some weapons. So please, if possible, help me keep my Fallout setting from getting deleted, I put a lot of time into adding the building blocks for it. The Mighty Boosh.<br />
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PS - I forgot how to add my name at the bottom, the one with the time posted and all, sincere apologies.<br />
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:Wow it's not an attack, I just added at delete tag to start a discussion. There's no content and the two or three pages that are there are not very good. If you're going to fix it then that's fine, but there's no real way for anyone else to add it since only you know what's in your head. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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The only thing that I need to have done is basic stats for weapons, vehicles, creatures, etc. I will, slowly but surely, put up descriptions of weapons, creatures and vehicles. And I will also do my best to come up with detailed backgrounds of environments and adventures, all I need is some help coming up with stats then the Fallout setting should get rolling along. [[User:The Mighty Boosh|The Mighty Boosh]] 04:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== SEARCHING ==<br />
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When I am trying to search by keywords, sometimes the search engine is not coming back with any results.<br />
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For example I am searching for HAWK for 3.5. There are no search results.<br />
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== Error while searching. ==<br />
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Hello all,<br />
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Congrats on the great job on the D&D wiki.<br />
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I was searching with keyword: ''Samurai'' and ''samurai'' and the result I got was:<br />
''Query failed: connection to localhost:3312 failed (errno=111, msg=Connection refused). ''<br />
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I know there were pages resulting from this same search since I have been browsing them the past week.<br />
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Hope it helps.<br />
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Dervell.<br />
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:I had problems with this yesterday as well. But then it mysteriously started working again so I figured you were working on the problem while I was online. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Move Errors ==<br />
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Hey Green. It appears that since the server issue some of us are experiencing problems when we try to move pages. It doesn't happen every single time, but seems to be at least 3/4ths. The page will stay in a loading status for quite some time and then it'll pop up a database error. Just FYI. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:So you don't have to, this is a quote of the error I'm getting: ''"A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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(SQL query hidden)<br />
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from within function "Title::deleteTitleProtection". MySQL returned error "2006: MySQL server has gone away (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".''" &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] said he has time to look at it tomorrow so that should be the case. Same with the sword, delete. Do you know of more things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Not so far. Jazz above mentions some search problem but I haven't been able to duplicate that. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's hit or miss. I tried it just now and got the error again. Along with the error message, the "search in namespaces" list is misformatted. But then other times it will just work, so it seems to be an intermittent problem. The only other thing I noticed was yesterday every now and then after editing a page it would give me an error that made it look like my edit wasn't saved, but when I went back to check, it was saved. Again, it's nothing repeatable, it just happens off and on. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I seemed to have found a pattern to the searching error: If you type in an exact page name (SRD:Fighter) into the search box then hit "go" (or hit enter), it works fine. If you type in a page name that doesn't exist ("test") you get the error. Also, if you type in a name that does exist but hit "search" instead of "go", you also get the error, so I'm guessing that something went wrong with the search function itself, and not the search box. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hopefully this weekend all the problems should be dealt with. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Article ==<br />
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GD, I would like to recommend an article of mine for a featured article. [[Black Lion (4e Optimized Character Build)]]. I created an entire 4e Class, all of its Class Powers, an entire 4e Paragon Path, and built this Optimized Build just for it. Not only does it include all the prerequisites of a good article, it includes User-generated Tables by Tier, Class Summaries every 10 levels, explanations of unique items and their strategies for use, and an expanded information section which expounds upon the Classes Role in general. I even included a designers guidelines for enemy and character progression by level and a Compare/Contrast section with this builds biggest competing build. Everything you need all in one spot. Tell me what you think? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 09:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I am curious as to what you say to the following. When ones makes their own content and then makes a Optimized Character Build from that content it normally is not an "optimization" but rather a "specific 'hole-in-the-game' optimization" specifically created by themselves to optimize an already exploited idea. E.g. natural weapons and natural fighting in this case.<br />
:Of course this may not be the case, I have not throughly looked. I'm just asking for your opinion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I noticed you used the words "Hole" and "Exploited". Words that rhyme with "Loop-hole", "Broken", and "Cheating". If that is what you mean, then no. This is not that kind of optimization.<br />
::This is a what some people refer to as a "Build". A specific construction of levels, items, and powers that accomplishes a pre-defined purpose. That purpose being: "Maximizing Damage-per-Round during Combat". This also fulfills the Striker Role within 4th Edition as well. See.., the Black Lion Class is currently a working Striker Class within 4e, and this optimization is a fulfillment of it's ultimate potential. However, the Black Lion Class was not created with this specific optimization in mind. The class came ''before'' the optimization and not the other way around.<br />
::I hope that helps. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Feel free to nominate for FA status, of course. Anyone can nominate any article for FA status. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another post-server fail error ==<br />
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Looks like over on the Media Repository, any time I try to see anyones (even my own) contributions there it pulls up an error. Minor, but just fyi. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems to be working for me now in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Media Fail ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<pre>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: <br />
(SQL query hidden)<br />
from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</pre><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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i would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Errata ==<br />
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Hey Peter Gabert,<br />
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I just had a discussion on the WotC board about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). Your DnD wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavour.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed to your wiki, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers.<br />
<br />
Adriaan Renting.<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Title ==<br />
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Heh, sorry about that. For some reason I'm very set in the habit of not creating titles for the first post on a talk page. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's the correct way to do it. No worries, of course, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Page ==<br />
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I'd like to request a Protection from IP's be placed on my [[White Guard (3.5e Class)]] article. Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You actually don't have to request this, just find a page that has it and look at the source code. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh, good idea. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::There isn't a source code for protection, it's an additional tab that only certain users (on this wiki, I imagine only admins) have access to. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I protected it from IP edits. And yes, only admins have access to the tab. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Ummm..... GD, I don't know whats going on, I may be mistaken as to what you were asking, however I just tried getting it from the source code of another page for IP protection and it worked... [[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I'm pretty sure that's just a template to let IPs know they are unable to edit the page. They still can edit it, unless an admin has actually protected a page. Think of that source code (the template you copied) as a sign saying "road flooded", but you need an admin to actually add the flood water. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Ahhh. Ok, thanks for the clarification. However this can still be useful. If a sign reads 'road flooded 10 km ahead', most cars wouldn't test it. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold buffs? ==<br />
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Hey, I was just looking at the negitive level adjustment page, and looked at the discussion page. <br />
And someone said that they didnt think that kobolds were -2 la, cause of the "buffs" they been getting.<br />
You said that the "last few books that wizards published" made them more of a -1 la.<br />
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I was wondering what are these buffs/books?<br />
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::he probably means Races of Dragon and possible Dragon Magic. RoD actually made kobolds kinda cool--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 02:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats what I was thinking after I asked the question, but just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything.<br />
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::::If I remember correctly it was Races of Dragon, but you could always check the date of the comment and the publication dates. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a Races of Dragon Excerpt]. It gives Kobolds Slight Build (opposite of Half-Giant's Powerful Build), natural weapons and weapon proficiencies. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Candidates for Deletion ==<br />
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I finished my first-brush pass at candidates for deletion category. All-in-all I deleted or removed the deletion tag from over 200 articles! I skipped the campaign settings for now because they have so many sub pages, but that will be my next project.<br />
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One thing I noticed when clearing out all those pages was that a lot of them had talk pages by new users asking why we wanted to delete their page. In many cases, I'm guessing that it turned users away from the wiki, because they are trying to learn all these new things then all of the sudden somebody threatens to take it all away. I don't think the use of the deletion template is fully explained anywhere, so I created [[Template:Delete/why|this]] to help new users understand that we aren't delete-hungry monsters. If you approve, I can add a link to it within the deletion template.<br />
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Another thing I saw is pages that had enough information to be completed, they just weren't completed yet. They aren't usable as is, but I don't think it's right to delete them since there's enough there that someone else could finish it with a little gruntwork. I've started a discussion (so far it's just me) about a possible solution [[Category_talk:Candidates_for_Deletion#Idea_for_half-completed_pages|here]]. (While you're there, I had some ideas on the discussion just above it as well.) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Idea about "authors" ==<br />
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I was thinking last night. A ''lot'' of pages still have "authors" listed in the infobox, and I've noticed you've spent a ton of time editing this out. Would it make sense just to take out the authors parameter from the infobox templates? That way it would stop showing up everywhere at once.<br />
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I would be glad to do it, as it's a good way to learn how templates work, I just wanted to make sure you approved before I changed almost every page on this wiki! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Why are the authors being removed? I think it's a great idea to have them so that the creators can easily be contacted about the page, or other pages they have done. It also allows authors to take pride in the work they spent so much time creating. I would hate to have the author section removed on my pages and pages I view, just something to consider. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::the long-short of it is if you wanna see authors, look in history. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 20:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::As Name Violation said, the authors are always in the history. The bigger issue is that "authorship" gives users a misleading impression about the GNU license. What ends up happening is people see the "authors" box and then don't edit pages because they are afraid they are going to be treading on someone else's work, and those pages sit around without being completed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::However what happens with pages made weeks ago? or months ago, or more? Or what if people like what they have posted and want only minor edits, I realize that it's ok for them to be edited, but some people only want certain degrees of editing done to their pages. Also it says in the box that constructive edits are welcome, unless specified otherwise. If people care enough to respect the author then they should also care enough to read that part. Plus, it won't change a thing if the author isn't listed, its still not made by them and they know there is another author, therefore they will most likely give the same degree of caution.<br />
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::::So if having authors has advantages and some people want them to be listed, and the disadvantages will be in effect either way, it seems there is still no logical reason in my mind to remove them. Anyways, thats just my two cents, ignore me if you want to. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Personally, I'm with Vrail on this one. I don't pretend to understand the legal ramifications behind authorship/ownership and GNU-FDL, or whatever else. I know if I see a minor problem with a page (typo, minor formatting, circumlocution, etc) I fix it. If I'm making a mechanical change I post it on the talk page first, and wait for someone else to pipe in (even someone else other than the author) and if they think my edit is for the better I'll make it. I know I have a few things on this wiki, and I'd like to be told before someone is making mechanical changes to my work, not just see it in the revision history. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's a couple different issues here:<br />
::::::#People who don't want their articles edited. "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Sorry, that's just the way it is.<br />
::::::#People who want to take credit for their work. As was stated before, the author's name is on the history. If you want to take credit for you work, put a link on your talk page. There's really no need to take credit on the page itself.<br />
::::::#People who make edits to pages without taking into consideration the original author. This is going to happen (and in fact, does happen) whether or not there's a little box at the top saying "this page belongs to X". It's good wiki etiquette to ask before making major changes; Wikipedia has pages that are so long gone from the original authors that literally thousands of different editors have made changes, yet still it's expected that any significant changes are explained on the talk page. I think this is a better way to do things, really. Having an "author" relies on the fact that creators stick around to help other people with their pages, and I think it's pretty clear that in the long run that very rarely happens.<br />
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::::::I should clarify that I'm not trying to change policy here, I'm just going along with what [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Duck_McGraw_%283.5e_NPC%29&diff=prev&oldid=459965 GD has already been doing]. Also, I like the idea of authors in theory, but I think on this specific website, it's making things worse, not better. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::True, but I'm not argueing that articles shouldn't be eddited by everybody. This, while as has been stated, can be done with poor etiquette I agree it is part of posting things on the wiki. It even says so as you have quoted. However a number of people do not check history or discussion pages, and it's nice to have people know it was you who developed the page. I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.<br />
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:::::::In the end I do agree with some of your points, but wish to stick with my original position. I think authors are a good idea, and why would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::''[A] number of people do not check history or discussion pages...''<br />
:::::::::We shouldn't be catering to the people who are doing it wrong, we should be teaching them how to do it right. Besides, if someone's not going to look at the history or discussion page, they probably aren't looking at the author template.<br />
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::::::::''[It's] nice to have people know it was you who developed the page.''<br />
:::::::::Meh. If you need the satisfaction, your name will forever be in the history, and you are free to link to the articles on your userspace. I don't see this as a compelling reason to keep the author template.<br />
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::::::::''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think...'''<br />
:::::::::I bet more ''don't'' than ''you'' think :) You can't use yourself as an example, because you are one of the 10% of editors who actually comes back more than once. Trust me, in cleaning up the d20 Modern side of things as well as several hundred deletion candidates, I can tell you that there are tons of people who never stay for more than 1 week, tops. But the site's only 4 years old; what happens a year for now, or two, or ten? If we assume that the site exists forever, then eventually every editor will leave and never come back.<br />
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::::::::''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''<br />
:::::::::I don't know why they were added, but people rarely do things ''knowing'' they aren't going to work out well. You do them, then ''later'' figure out they didn't work well.<br />
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::::::::Remember, not having the word "author" on the top doesn't stop you from ''acting'' like one. If you create a page and someone comes along and changes a mechanic without explanation, you have every right to change it back, whether or not it's your name on the top of the page. But that's a product of wiki etiquette, not a product of who was the first person to edit the page.<br />
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::::::::So in the end, what's changed by removing the author template? Sure, you lose (some) recognition, and that's hard for some people to swallow. I have created very little original content on this wiki, and the few things I have created have gone unnoticed by the community, and yes, it made me a little sad. But I know that anyone who comes along a week or a month or a decade from now can look at the pages and say "hey, I really like this, I wonder who wrote it?" and only be a couple clicks from finding out it was me.<br />
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::::::::What else do you lose? I can't think of anything. But what do you gain? Things might actually get done, instead of waiting for a long-gone author's permission to correct spelling and grammar errors. People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages (I don't pretend to know all the things that have gone on in this wiki before I got here, but from what I ''do'' understand, this single fact could have solved a lot of it). New users won't be so intimidated and will contribute more and stay longer. We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.<br />
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::::::::I'm not trying to be biased in my assessment, but I really don't see the costs/benefits favoring keeping the templates. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::lol, nice counters to my points. :P However I am one of those authors who finds it hard to swollow loosing some recognition. Also, many new users, if the author isn't presented on the main page then they won't know were to find it if they like the page. Instead of not having authors, we could just make it clear that you have full creative principle with others articles and can edit constructively, as the box usually states. As well, for things such as classes and races, yes, some people do get to overprotective of their articles. However, if somebody came along and started making major changes to my campaign setting, which I have invested many hours into, then I would be a bit displeased. Although I do have to agree with your point that it would be less intimidating for new users. However for this to happen, we would have to make it clear that all posts are comunity developed instead of just not including authors.<br />
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:::::::::You are slowly convincing me, but remember, I ''do'' have a biased assesment of things, seeing as I have always loved being able to see authors, and having people be able to see myself as an author. So therefore I may not be the best candidate to discuss this with. :P--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.''"<br />
::::::::::Of course keep in mind "''If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox before creating the page. Keep in mind "my preferences" &rarr; "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed". Your username or IP address will be recorded in the new pages history for authorship purposes.''" ([[Add Instructions]]).<br />
::::::::::"''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''"<br />
::::::::::[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] made it since he felt people should have a sense of authorship. Over time this has been shown to be counter-productive.<br />
::::::::::As [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] said "''People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages ... We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.''"<br />
::::::::::And I would like to give an example. Quite a while ago I made the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)]] and then decided that authorship should be disregarded as the editing method. As such I put it up for adoption (as this was the 'correct' way to approach this at this time ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=289660&oldid=233570 diff]) ). Over time my article was changed quite a bit and a picture was added ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=444354&oldid=289660 diff]). As a person I still feel a sense of "ownership" of this article. My plan? A while ago I looked at the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]] and thought maybe I should just revert it. However I saw some merit and ideas. So, now when I have some extra time, I am planning on piping in on the discussion and helping to make it 'good' as I see it. So, what is authorship? If I had kept my name on it all the new merit and ideas would never be able to be seen, and I think it would have actually ultimately hindered the future of the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's called having two articles with different names and different authors. You should try it some time. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You can look at it like that, and please do, however I find that the ''idea'' behind a certain creation type should be the best that it can be. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::Would you be willing to put the idea to a vote? Clearly among the 5 contributing users commenting on this thread we have a 3-2 split, overall in favor of keeping the author tag(Vrail, Jota(?), and myself for, Green Dragon and Jazzman opposed). I think the fact that "wiki" is in the name of the website should be a hint enough that you can edit freely any article you want. Also, I believe your welcome message encourages editing of all articles. Finally, we don't know what would have happened if you had left your authorship on that page. It's just as likely that someone would have seen it, and left their comments on the talk page and you (as the author) could have started a dialog about what should go and what should stay. If you didn't want to be in charge of leading that dialog, by all means throw on the adoption template and walk away, but many of us are in favor of being the main contributor to our work. I personally don't think we all should forfeit our rights to credit and ownership because you did it once and it turned out ok. To me that is likely the exception, not the rule. Look at how many unfinished articles are up for adoption but remain the same, and how many with authors are being changed and collaborated on. One other note, looking at the talk page, it looks like most of the changes occurred after adoption (when a new user name was on it) and most of the contributions were by names I recognize to be "editing buddies" of the adopter. By "editing buddies", I mean wiki-friends who all contribute on each others talk pages all the time. I saw no new editors, merely conversation between comrades suggesting things to the adoptive editor. Quite frankly, it may only have been adopted because you, Green Dragon, are the one who put it up for adoption. I know I'd be curious to see something you wrote. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:This is not a voting issue. Voting is used when options are equivalent or have to be classified as equivalent (e.g. taste).<br />
:What are the options? (a) To use history for authorship purposes (see also [[Add Instructions]]) or (b) use [[Template:Author]] and history for authorship purposes.<br />
:Why are (a) and (b) not equivalent? Since they do not serve the same purpose. [[Template:Author]] is a template with a creation date, username & options for contact, and an 'overall' editing summary. Although these ''are'' equivalent to the history tab in ''presence'', they are not comprehensive. This non-comprehensive aspect makes them not equivalent. <br />
:Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page, fulfilling the criteria of (b)? This is where this discussion has its core. My answer is because the non-comprehensive aspect can be deceiving. It can appear to many as a ''comprehensive'' history tab, making it deceiving to users which may not understand tabs (e.g. [[User talk:Green Dragon#Ganteka]]) and through the process disregarding some users. <br />
:I ask anyone to give their input to the question of "''Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page?''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think the Ganteka section you pointed out is a prime example of why author templates would help. If Axl could have seen "'''Author:''' 238.346.23.6785" up in the main info box he would not have assumed that Ganteka wrote it. As to perceived comprehensiveness, I think we both know that's silly. No one expects a page on a wiki to have a single contributor, that's not how wikis work. If anyone sees an author tag and thinks "Well, I can't edit this page because it belongs to that guy" the problem is with teaching how wikis work. I understand that somewhere we should have a comprehensive list of who contributed what to where, but I don't think that means we have to get rid of an author template. History is important, and I don't think we should ever get rid of it (I don't even think we can, that's kinda the point), but I don't see any problem with having a single line that says "'''Author:''' Badger". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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.Willow.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to that D&D chatrooms already exist.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Censorship]]. What you are doing is solicitation ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Vandalism Wikipedia:Vandalism], external linking).<br />
:{{quote|Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has — to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed — I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
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:Why was it solicitation? Because it is directing users else how then through [[DnD Links]] and was not decided by the administration to be a beneficial recourse (e.g. Wikipedia's policies). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:26, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Again, censored unnecessarily there. I didn't even list a website, I just made you look bad, which probably wasn't necessary because you are doing a fine job yourself. So, just to be clear, linking to a diff of a page is considered solicitation "Because it is directing users else how then through" (your words)? If that's the case then you had better delete this page because it contains all sorts of external links in the history (just kidding, but it illustrates a point)!<br />
::I'm going to reiterate something that you stripped out of my last post (which bizarrely has nothing to do with solicitation): I wasn't trying to steal users from this wiki. The wiki I am active on (which I will not solicit) already has a great community and we don't need your users to continue being great. There are no ulterior motives to me being helpful. I came by this site, saw that people were talking about reopening the tavern, remembered how irritating the tavern software was, and though I'd pitch in and suggest a better alternative.<br />
::Now at this point I feel like I'm teasing an angry dog with a stick (as the expression goes, nothing personal). I won't link to the diff, even though it seems fine by even the most rigid interpretations of solicitation and, in fact, was not there to solicit, but to illustrate my position as a user here (that is, unsatisfied with the owner). Cheers, dude. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:47, 29 October 2010 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=492747User talk:Green Dragon2010-10-29T21:13:23Z<p>Aarnott: /* My User Page */ new section</p>
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== A different sort of game ==<br />
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I have a roleplaying game known as World Tree which uses skill advancement instead of class advancement. A character in the game is given a number of skill points at creation with no restrictions as to where they may go. I was thinking of doing a variant of this and even eliminating such things as abilities (there would instead be a lift and carry skill, for instance). I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss such a different system but I was hoping to work with others on it. Can you make any suggestions? My e-mail is brenner.mike at gmail.com<br />
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Thank you for your time, -Michael Brenner. {{Unsigned|204.210.188.32|10:23, 12 December 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:Well a few options exist. How different is it from D&D? One option is to make a "radical" variant rule out of it; keeping the structure on D&D Wiki in general. Another option is to make a self-contained wiki (like WikiRPS); hosting could be discussed if that is the desired option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:01, 12 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Aura Guardian ==<br />
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Hey Green, I was wondering if you would mind looking over the Aura guardian and see if anything so far could be abused? Also let me know what direction I should focus in, Defense of adding some offensive choices. Ive considered a VERY restrictive spell list, like maybe only the healing domain up to 4 and protection up to 4. Not sure. Also I could use some help with the flavor for anyone else reading this! Thank you in advance. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:30, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:03, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Brawler, fair fight ==<br />
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heya, i've been using this web site for ages and it's awesome, a player notified me of the Brawler class.<br />
At 7th level i think, he gets a special ability called fair fight, i was just looking at it and thought it was... well a little overpowered/little... silly (sorry if that offends btw.)<br />
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The feat basicly entails that people make a save or drop there weapons because it would be unfair otherwise... this gives a huge advantage to the brawler, as well as seeming silly as people who want him dead wouldn't think that they should kill him fairly (mostly) and those who would can normally be persuaded/ goaded into it. The skill might be relevant if the brawler had any actual arcane/divine powers but other then that he does not.<br />
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Anyway, asides from that it is an awesome class, a monk without the code of laws and from what I've seen of it a very balanced class except that.<br />
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Constructive criticisms ahoy! (Btw, i let my player have a feat rather then the ability)<br />
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== Talk page is really long/Review too ==<br />
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Your talk page is really long. Might be time to archive. Hehe. Peace. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:50, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:GD, can you do me a big favor when you get a chance. I read your review of the Aura Guardian 3.5e Class. It was a flawless review. I was hoping you could give the Freerunner 3.5e Class a similar review. Currently the class is rated 20/20 and could really benefit from your perspective in particular. Thanks a million. (Just if you get a free moment.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:09, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== 3.5e Creatures, Leader of the Hunt ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Leader of the Hunt (3.5e Creature)#Review]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== 4e Deities, Foamy the Squirrel ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Foamy the Squirrel (4e Deity)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:28, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Upgrade ==<br />
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Just noticed the new Media Wiki version! Awesome! Just having some issues, not sure if they are new or what but there is no more autoconfirmation group. So whenever I edit a page it is asking for a key code. Is this intentional? -[[User:Sleaker|Sleaker]] 06:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:[[Special:ListGroupRights]] and [[User talk:Green Dragon#Spam and ReCaptcha]] should answer your questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:47, 21 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== MSRD cleanup ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon: I think [[user:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] is the "official" go-to guy for the MSRD, but I think he's (semi)retired, so here I am. I use the MSRD all the time, and think it could benefit from some changes, namely wikilinks to other MSRD articles, especially the skills and feats. I wouldn't mind working on this project, but obviously all of the pages are locked. Where do you think I should go to start/discuss this project? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Is there anyone left who's in control of the d20 Modern side of things anymore? I posted [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=MSRD_Talk:Treat_Injury_%28Skill%29&oldid=455659 this] almost a week ago, but I don't think anyone noticed. There are some things that need cleaned up, and I would love to help out but 95% of it is locked. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to turn [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451096 this] into [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451102 this]. Or at a minimum, clear out all the typos. If there's anything I can do to help, or if there's someone else I should talk to, let me know. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well that would need to be discussed before changing with someone who knows D20 Modern better. Or if you would not mind explaining it a bit more (since both the links you supplied are from a subpage of your username - or do you mean just adding links to the article?). Do you see what I mean?<br />
::And, if you want to go through and add a few things throughout the MSRD and clean things up I would be more then willing to give you temporary admin rights for you to work a bit on that. Let me know please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 06:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::First of all, thanks for fixing those other links.<br />
:::Second, sorry about the confusion. I'm not trying to change wording or anything, just clean up some typos and make the pages more navigable. That page in my subspace is just a random page from the MSRD that I copy/pasted there to give you an example of what I want to do. If you look at the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AJazzman831%2Fworkspace&diff=451102&oldid=451096 diffs], you can see that the only thing I did was add wikilinks. (I had to do it in my userspace because I couldn't actually edit the article in question). As it is now, none of the pages have interwiki links, so if you are reading, for example, a class description and it references a feat, you have to go back up to the main MSRD page then navigate to the feat page then find your feat. I would just like to make the feat a link so all you'd have to do is just click it.<br />
:::If you're comfortable giving me temporary admin rights then I'm more than willing to help out. It might take a while, though, since there are a lot of pages![[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 13:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pooka Race ==<br />
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Sir, the rituals available for Wild Soul have always been listed there: <br />
"You can use any of the following rituals as if they were at-will powers, with no component requirements and without a ritual book: Animal Friendship, Animal Messenger, Commune with Nature, or Speak with Nature."<br />
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==Access==<br />
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Hi there, for some reason my username doesn't want to co-operate with me. I try putting in my password and I get a message saying that it's invalid. I try to get a new one sent and nothing ever shows up in my inbox. I want to get on here and post some more stuff and because of this, I can't. Can you help me out? -- Mythos Specialist<br />
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:Actually, never mind. I didn't have anthing fully finished anyway, so I made a new account. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh don't. As long as your email is correct it is not a problem. I just have to wait a few days to do it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I already posted a full core class to the new profile. But, if you can get my old account running, it'd make it a lot easier to do the transfer. Besides, I like the new name... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 13:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Classes, Thrillseeker ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Thrillseeker (3.5e Class)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 26 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Been away for a while ==<br />
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Hi Green Dragon. Ive been gone for a while - one of those who left during the 'great admin dispute' - I have come back though and was just curious what happened to the tavern. Thanks --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 10:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You'll find that after the 'great admin dispute,' as you call it, [[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 17#Recent Tavern Changes|the general consensus among those who were active before said incident seemed to be that the Tavern was superfluous and unproductive]], although I believe cost-engineering may be playing some part in its continued absence (inferred from the section above). -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First of all - that's what it was 'a huge dispute amongst the admins' that seemed to threaten the well being of the wiki (why i left) - but bygones be bygones<br />
::Personally I think that the tavern was a good thing - it allowed for more person to person feedback on content. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 16:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I wasn't disagreeing with your phrasing (though I have my own thoughts on said incident and subsequent changes), I was just using the same terminology to affirm that we were referring to the same event(s). --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::See also [[Discussion:The Tavern: use, expansion, and availability.]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeatedly adding a stat to ac. ==<br />
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One of my friends in my D&D group has been planning to add wisdom at least 3 times to his ac by taking various classes that allow wisdom to be added to ac. Is doing something like this allowed?<br />
BTW, the campaign we are doing is a gestalt, if that makes a difference.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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NO. It doesn't stack. Period. -- Mythos<br />
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Thanks much.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Also there is an argument going on in my group about bloodline levels. Some of my group is saying that bloodline levels raise class abilities such as sneak attack and other things that are simply made more powerful at regular intervals. The regular interval thing is the key to their argument since they say that means it is calculated by class level. I don't believe them. But do bloodline levels do what they say?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Hello I am with the above user. Do you have anywhere in any book where it specifically says that Mythos? <br />
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Thanks for the reply. <br />
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--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Mythos here...<br />
I'm pretty sure in the SRD (I don't have time to look it up) when it comes to modifiers, that you can only apply ability score modifiers once, like for instance bonuses to AC from a high DEX or WIS score. I think untyped bonuses do stack, however. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, as for gestalt (which I categorically despise), even under that, you can only, for instance, use one class' hit die at a time, in this case the higher. Ability modifiers work in much the same way. As for bloodlines, features such as spell save DCs, maximum skill ranks, caster level, those things are calculated using bloodline levels. Sneak Attack and such are only raised by actually having levels in said classes. Sorry to burst their power-gaming bubble. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the quick reply Mythos, only 1 of the classes actually have a type for the AC bonus thus the stat can be added 3 times. Also thanks for the reply regarding bloodlines! <br />
--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 06:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hold up. Which classes allow this to stack? Ability modifiers, as I've said, do not stack. By "untyped bonus" I mean bonuses granted by the class, or certain other factors, not including ability bonuses. This is done so as not to totally unbalance the game with class dips. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Many of the classes the player has allows you to add wisdom to AC. One of them is a deflection bonus, the other are just wisdom bonus to AC without any type. So what does this mean for the player? Can he add his wisdom once, or once as a deflection bonus and another as a regular bonus? --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 16:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would think once as untyped and once as deflection, but which class is it that adds it as a deflection?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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I'm pretty sure you can add your ability modifier only ONCE. It doesn't matter what the type is. As for adding ability modifiers from different ability scores, I know you can, 'cos the Duelist does it. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 17:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:While your interpretation is logical from a balance perspective, I'm pretty sure the reigning methodology is that while other types do not, untyped bonuses stack. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I agree that untyped bonuses stack, but not with themselves. eg adding wisdom twice to ac as an untyped modifier.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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That's what I'm trying to explain here. Otherwise with a few clever prestige class dips, or worse, misusing gestalt rules, whilst doing same, you have a build that becomes utterly broken. Any bonus derived from ability score bonuses can only be applied once, right? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Logically yes, but I can't seem to find a rule that states this. --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 22:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It's out there, but I don't know where. I know I saw it, and it clearly said stacking the bonus for the same ability score doesn't happen. Here's a thought, though. In lieu of finding the rule, why not err on the side of common sense and not allow the bonus to stack? I mean, it works that way with magic spells that have the same effect as each other, so I'd be willing to bet ability modifiers don't stack either. It's just more logical. Otherwise, as I've said before, you can end up with something that completely wrecks the system. Also, has this player considered taking these 3 classes for the assumed triple-stacked Wisdom modifier as being incredibly munchkined? Because this kind of approach to a build is almost always about "Oooh, pluses!!" more than "Oooh, compelling character.." -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 03:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My new class ==<br />
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For anybody that pays attention to new material going up, I present to you the [[Battlemage (3.5e Class)|Battlemage]]. Enjoy. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirror mephit ==<br />
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Hello I have a question about : [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)]<br />
'''Alternate first level trick'''<br />
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Aristocrat 1 (race independent) Feat 1: Magical training (player's guide to faerun) Feat 2: Precocious Apprentice: Summon Mirror Mephit (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) Starting gold goes into purchasing a single vial of liquid pain.<br />
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Rounds 1->a Attempt to cast Summon Mirror Mephit until you can make the check. Optimization could allow this to autosucceed the first round, but it isn't needed Round b: toss your mirror mephit a vial of liquid pain, and have him use it with his spell-like Simulacrum ability As per the monster manual (which supercedes the SRD), a spell-like ability defaults to a standard action. With the vial, we have CL 9, sufficient to duplicate a 18 HD advanced efreeti (simulacrum is allowed to duplicate specific creatures). Divide the level by two, and we have a 9HD copy. Which is just as many hit dice as a normal efreet. Order the mirror mephit to order the efreeti to obey you completely before he vanishes.<br />
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You now have three free wishes. Start from step 4 of the above streategy.<br />
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The mirror mephit has 8th level for the caster level for simulacrum.<br />
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Did the liquid pain use as optional material component to improve the caster level by + 2 ?<br />
But simulacrum is a spell like ability, not a spell. Or use an other rule ? If yes, what page from book of evil darkness, please ?<br />
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The normal efreet has 10 HD, not 9. So, the caster level required is 10th level, no ?<br />
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Why do you choose aristocrast as class ? For the skills ? The starting money to buy liquid pain ?<br />
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Thanks for your future anwser.<br />
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:Once again, I fail to see the point in all this. Someone's misusing the rules for sure. Why not just be Pun-pun? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh wait, this IS Pun-pun. Listen, feedback loops are not supposed to work. Maybe as a glitch in video games, but in D&D, no. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Necromancer editing and advancement ==<br />
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Mr. Green Dragon:<br />
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Thank you for taking a look at my "necromancer" 4e base class. I developed it in conjunction with a colleague with whom I am playing a long-form campaign. <br />
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I seek your advice in improving the necromancer with two primary goals: I wish to, over time, produce a class whose quality ranks it among the best 4e homebrew classes on the site; and I want to make sure that the necromancer conforms ''in extremis'' to the D&D Wiki formatting standards. <br />
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As it stands now, I do not possess the proper knowledge to achieve those goals. So, to solve a few formatting problems immediately, I wish to clarify:<br />
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*Which powers listed on the necromancer main page need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Which necromancer powers listed elsewhere need to be moved to another page? Which other page?<br />
*Which creatures are listed on the necromancer main page that need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Given that worship of a specific deity confers a class feature power or bonus upon the necromancer character, why does the list of deities and their related class feature benefit need to be moved up to the "Overview: Religion" section?<br />
*Given that you can see clearly which information is currently in tables which use HTML instead of the wikimedia editing format ("Phantom level/damage", "Phantom potential actions", "deity/benefit"; I assume that the "level/maximum Phantoms" table is satisfactory already), how can I change those tables into wikimedia format within those power and creature templates? The reason I used an unorthodox "HTML splice" technique to insert those tables is because I could not use the wikimedia format to add the tables within the templates (as it was apparently beyond my coding abilities).<br />
*How can I cause the "Contents" list to show separate sections within the Necromancer Class Features section? I believe that that section has become long enough to merit separate sections within the Contents. <br />
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I think that with your help and the assistance of the other users we should be able to clear up these formatting issues relatively quickly. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 21:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, I have discovered an issue with the "Add or edit" radio button under "Add New 4e Power". When you replace "MyPower" in the text box with the name of your new power (for example, "Frigid Cyclone") and click the radio button, you are not directed to a text form to write the wikitext of the power. Instead, you are directed to a page that says "Add Form:4e Power: Frigid Cyclone (4e Power)" (again, "Frigid Cyclone" is the example power to be created) with a preexisting power box already below it, called "Blast of the Ancestors" (a "'vorgal' racial power"). If a user truly wants to create a new power, they must first click the "Show preview" radio button, which redirects to the appropriate text field. <br />
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What is the method by which we can alter the form so that it works properly? The origin of the "Blast of the Ancestors" power is the [[Vorgal (4e Race)]] page, where a link to the "Blast of the Ancestors" racial power is found under '''Racial Traits'''. (If you click on ''that'' link, which oddly says "1", you come to a page called "Form:Form:4e Power" which ''again'' shows the "Blast of the Ancestors" power box.) I don't know what happened, and until I get your input I don't want to touch it because I don't know the proper method for fixing the system (blank the form? Delete the form and recreate?). I ''suspect'' that the creator of the "vorgal" race somehow accidentally altered the very power creation form itself, instead of creating a new power. <br />
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I'm going to use the workaround for now. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 02:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== New Class ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I'm creating a new class for my D&d campaign and thought you might want to add it to your site and perhaps help me refine it as well. I call it the Summoner Class. Apparently, you already deleted an entry for it because it wasn't done too well. I can assure you, I put a lot of work into it so far, and will continue to do so till perfected. <br />
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Anyway, this normally wouldn't concern you except that I'm not too good at HTML code and was hoping that you could help make the page for me? I can email you the Word File that I've been working on so far. I have everything I think I need for the first page and I have all the way to level 7 powers (for now).<br />
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== Creative Commons ==<br />
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I was trying to add some content in the D&D Wiki Media and the only CC license there was the Attribution-Share Alike. The content I'm trying to add is under Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative license. Can that be added to the licenses? Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 16:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. In the license template just add it. For example <nowiki>{{license|Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, did it. However, when I added the image I forgot to put some characters and the link ended kinda weird. Now, when I try to edit it, the following messenge shows up:<br />
::out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen<br />
::I guess that that shouldn't happen (great insightful conclusion, I know...)--[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== archanist class ==<br />
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I was looking at your article on the archanist pretige class. I am curious as to why a class who's description refers to magic being deschooled and organized into one group, requires the player to give up nearly half of the available spells he can cast. This seems like a contradiction in the very nature of the prestige class.<br />
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you can contact me at kingdork5ooo@hotmail.com<br />
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== Ganteka RfA ==<br />
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I understand where you were coming from when you deleted my post, and I'd like to take a second to explain to you how I saw what happened: I posted a reminder to keep things courteous, as in the heat of the discussion everyone was beginning to get snippy (as you well know, from the number of warnings you gave out). You edited your post to make it seem less offensive, then deleted mine. My first reaction, I'm sorry to say, was "That jerk, he's deleting my comments and covering his own ass" (forgive my language, I'm being honest here, and this is, as far as I know, private. We're grown up, we have seen these words before). So you can see why I was upset, you made no mention that you were going to delete my post because the discussion was over. However, I have now understood what happened, and that's fine. I'm over it. I don't care that you edited your post so it seems better to you. I don't even care that you closed any and all discussion of the matter early. Whatever, I can live with that too. I don't care that you feel what you wrote was a "suggestion" or a "suggestion-like command", and not a breach of etiquette rules. Just, in the future, when you feel it necessary to delete one of my posts, I'd like to hear about it. That's why talk pages exist. Even if you didn't want to drop me a note on my talk page, you could have written in the summary of the page something to the effect of "Discussion has ended, edit has been deleted". I think as a fellow editor of this wiki, you owe me (and everyone else) that same courtesy. However, like I said, I'm moving on. I'm fine if we don't discuss this matter any further. Ganteka turned in his letter of resignation; I don't fully understand why we even went through this charade. Some semblance of cloture, I suppose. Thanks for your time, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 05:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The RfA is not over (when the RfA is it will be) just that discussion part was just so off-topic that it was over (it did not relate to Ganteka's2 RfA at all). Why was your comment after I stated "''This discussion is over from my post out.''" deleted? That is your answer. It was just too off-topic. Is that a breach of civility - recommending him to see a psychiatrist (which you asked to be addressed)? One, the correct place to discuss that is on [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. Two, I don't think so, I was just worried that that user was not thinking clearly (not meaning of less intellect - defiantly intelligent since he or she was able to respond completely). To me it is an honest worry since this user seemed to be contradicting him or herself and not noticing it. Although I could see of some which think that psychiatrists are not helpful to all in all regards (or I do not understand) who find it uncivil. I don't know, Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::If you were genuinely concerned with someone's mental state, it'd be best to confront them privately about it, not on a random webpage. That's more tactless than uncivil I suppose, though. And if you truly believe that everyone is equal in all ways, there shouldn't be any admins at all. I understand that you want to have people assigned to take care of certain things (making sure pages are formatted, redirecting things, fixing errors and the like), but this is creating distinctions between people on the wiki. Furthermore, things like "Maybe you like begging? Who knows. Irrelevant." and "This site is not "risky" for me, I don't need to step around on tiptoes. I don't care. I own the damn thing." do come off as hostile, even if that isn't your intent. Continuing, "having a blatant bias" sounds like something everyone on this wiki is guilty of. Do you suppose we can get a psychiatrist on a group rate? Continuing on, you are also guilty of that last bit. Take, for example, this quote "I suggest you take a look at Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2. These people only contributed to about 7% of the activity of D&D Wiki. That's not "prime" and "perfection" that's 7%. Please, once again, do research before presenting things." You wrote that on Ganteka's RfA. If you took the time to look back you might come across one of my posts. You were simply denying my math. I know what you want to say. You wanted to say that those 9 people accounted for 7% of the total wiki edits. That is correct. However, that was not the point of the argument. The point was that 10% of the wiki's registered users account for 90% of the wiki's edits. So take those 9 names, add in you and Hooper, and about 390 other top editors and you'll see that their total contributions will total about 90% of the edits. I am not going to make that any clearer, I don't think. That is a prime example of you ignoring facts and "having a blatant bias". And as for your systematic warning policy that "govern[s] all", it doesn't. No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him. "Discussions are not deleted on D&D Wiki." That's another gem of a quote of yours from the Ganteka RfA page of yours. Or how about " Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki? Yes, like 2938 times. No, not once. Yes, in a revision history and in a few edit summaries (User Talk: Eiji#Farmer revisions, and see edit contributions for edit summaries - "damn" was used, although not derogatory). Which are you going to trust?" I suppose you mean you swore on the farmer page. You also swore about the wiki 3 lines down. Does that count as proof? Taking a second to check out the farmer page (A really fun class, if I say so myself) you began the page with "Actually you can't move your things on D&D Wiki their - it's illegal. It's the CC and the GNU FDL v1.2. --Green Dragon 23:17, 11 November 2009 (MST)" and ended the page with "AND FOR THE LAST TIME ANYONE CAN REPUBLISH ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT IS UNDER THE GNU FDL v1.2 I HAVE SAID THAT ABOUT A MILLION TIMES AND SOURCED THE GNU FDL v1.2 IN THOSE PARTS AS WELL SO STOP REPEATING THAT WHICH I NEVER EVEN HINTED AT! --Green Dragon 14:26, 14 November 2009 (MST)". Just another example of contradictory statements that we all hate so much.One final note, check out the votes for RfA of people you stripped of admin rights. None passed. Not a single one. What's the point of having an election if we all already know the outcome? Feel free to say they could have been approved and kept their admin rights, but we both know that was never a possibility. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Badger, when I read this I was forced to ask: where are you getting your stats that those 7% of users account for 90% of the contributions on the wiki? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. I know GD has 50k+ edits, I've got slightly over 10k, and a couple of those that left had 8k or more. But for the most part they only had a couple hundred (if that) edits. I'd really like to understand where you're getting your figures from. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Those 11 users account for less than 10% of the users(something like .2%, in truth). A collection of the true 10% would be like 400 users. I've not actually found the top 400 contributors to the wiki. However, considering 11 have something along the lines of 30% of the edits, I assumed we could find another 390 that would get an approximation of 90% of the total edits. Not to sound rude, but I've got better things to do than to track down the top 400 contributors of the wiki (I'm sure most of us do). It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, but given the data I did collect, I'm pretty confident that the 90/10 theory applies to this wiki about as well as it applies to most every other wiki. However, feel free to ignore that tangent if you feel it is incorrect. Honestly, I've not done enough research to really defend that point. Like I said, I think it works but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. I'll accept any data you're willing to provide.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Proof is needed; a theory does not suffice. Another theory is that the entire world is only that which ''you'' can look around and see, touch, and in other ways influence. The rest does not exist. I don't exist. This wiki does not exist. Nothing exists except when ''you'' will it to. Is that then the case? Maybe, right?<br />
:::::Therefore 90% is not the case - proof is needed. Those edits accounted for under 7% (less now) of the activity. That's under 7%.<br />
:::::Your right about the tactlessness, sorry about that. Could we get a physicist at a group rate? Who knows, right.<br />
:::::"''No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him.''" you could be right, I do not know. It's very hard sometimes to analyze oneself the exact same - one's own biases and ideas make it much more complicated, I find. In any case I did not mean it in any way to make him feel belittled, I said it out of (although tactless) concern.<br />
:::::"''Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki?''" right, but damn is not a "gross profanity" word and it's not used referring to someone. I think (I could be wrong - let me know if I am please) that damn, in the English language, has a number of uses and word types and therefore it is permitted in some uses and instances.<br />
:::::About [[User Talk:Eiji#Farmer]] those are ''different'' licenses. That is not contradictory in the least.<br />
:::::''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''. Admins are granted those abilities by users by way of a nomination but that does not mean they should be treated the same.<br />
:::::And the systematic [[Warning Policy|warning policy]] ''should'' govern all. Am I above it? No... Do I want to be? Irrelevant. All conspicuous areas should be posted to [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"Users are equal does not mean that users should be treated the same" What does that mean? They are equal, but should be treated differently? How are they equal then? If you're treating something differently, it's not equal! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::"''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''" means a few things. One is that if one commits an act against a policy, policies being systematic in nature (e.g. the [[Warning Policy]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_policy], etc etc, one just has to look at bit) they are not necessarily treated the same. For example one cannot vote on nominations. One cannot edit the wiki, etc.<br />
:::::::Or, since admins are elected by users they are not "''treated the same''" although they are still users they can now also delete things, do things users cannot, etc, and as such held in different a different light. Do you understand what I mean kinda? I can explain more if you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think I'm done with this discussion. It's clearly going nowhere, and it doesn't even seem you're taking it seriously. You're making less and less sense, and I fear it's only a matter of time before one of us tries to ban the other (and I already know how that would turn out). So I'm going to leave you with this tip: Fix the description of the Warning Policy page. "When one does not edit with civility and etiquette one becomes a warning for each time" --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not understand. What do you mean exactly? The wording seems fine to me and all this is implied. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::As far as the wording, GD...It should be "when one does not edit with civility and etiquette one '''gets''' a warning for each time," they don't become a warning. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: He also swore [[User talk:Surgo#Wikia]], which, I'm assured, is much worse than the word 'damn', according to certain civil servants. Just thought I'd chime in for you guys. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 15:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GNU FDL ==<br />
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After watching the discussions over the past few months I have done extensive research into the GNU FDL. Any page without an updated author box is in void of the licence and no-longer licensed under the GNU FDL according to section 4B:<br />
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4. MODIFICATIONS<br />
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under<br />
the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release<br />
the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified<br />
Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution<br />
and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy<br />
of it. In addition, you must do these things in the Modified Version:<br />
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B. List on the '''Title''' Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities<br />
responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified<br />
Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the<br />
Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five),<br />
unless they release you from this requirement.<br />
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Before you say it is able to be in the history page:<br />
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For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means<br />
the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title,<br />
preceding the beginning of the body of the text.<br />
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And termination note:<br />
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9. TERMINATION<br />
You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except<br />
as expressly provided for under this License. Any other attempt to<br />
copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Document is void, and will<br />
automatically terminate your rights under this License. However,<br />
parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this<br />
License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such<br />
parties remain in full compliance.<br />
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In conclusion: Any authors will have to post their own authorship at the top of the page labeling the top 5 contributers (with each of their permission, as you are re-applying a licence) and also their name as publisher of the page. This means that any pages that do not currently meet these requirements (or any of the other requirements) can be removed by the author, as the licence requires permission from the copyright holder (the initial creator). If this licence is "re-applied" without the copyright holder's permission it is in breach of copyright laws and legal action may be taken. <br />
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I hope you understand fully and notify users correctly. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 13:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The bad thing about the license is it has never been upheld in a court of law, so really, no matter how much people may disagree, '''it really doesn't matter'''. Find a lawyer and sue, or shut up about it. If you win, then you'll be making a precedence that other sites can follow. <br />
:Finally, go over to wikipedia - the largest website in existence using the license. Do you see any author spots on the pages? '''NO'''. Now, does that mean all of wikipedia and the lawyers they hired to look into the subject are wrong and you few are oh-so-smarter? '''No again'''. It means that it has been deemed that in a wiki format, as long as each edit is cataloged in the history, then attribution has been made. If you guys think we're doing it wrong, then you must also by the same logic think that Wikipedia is doing it wrong. Please, go tell them, I'd love to see the responses you get for a such a brazen statement. <br />
:The following is a great quote to keep in mind: ''"...are (1) the five principal author listing (all the authors must be listed in 1.1; this is clearly not problem with Wikipedia as the history pages list all the authors of a particular GFDL work) and..."''. Additionally, ''"...The GFDL requires that the names of authors are preserved, and we keep a full record of exactly who wrote what in the history of each article...."''. It have even been said ''"...Editors are collaborators, not authors, and therefore have no rights (except for the right granted to them to reuse their contributions elsewhere). The rights are held by the individual projects, as publishers, and the foundation can act on their behalf....". Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that last one would also need to be upheld in court before we could say it is 100% true. <br />
:The best quote to keep in mind is a simple one: ''"..The "authors" are explicitly mentioned in the history log of every article. :I think you need to show evidence of why the history log is invalid as a record of authorship...."''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Wikipedia ''did'' use the GNU FDL. They changed recently. If, theoretically, you are right what do you say about "''List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version''"? Therefore, why are my edits not displayed alongside (for example)? This conundrum in your logic (which makes it not work) has been discussed at length on [[Talk:Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)#Author Template]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Under the license the fact that you edited must be shown, as you are an author. Also, you cannot compare wikipedia to this wiki, wikipedia is sourcing facts while this wiki are users creations. Also in that case wikipedia is the entity itself that holds the copyright for the information on the site, not the individual editors. Plus, the fact that they removed the GFDL is a sign that they came to a problem and had to remove it. Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page. Also Hooper, if the licence "doesn't matter" and has never been upheld in a court of law does that mean we shouldn't follow it? We shouldn't give users their rights? --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 00:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, I think Wikipedia just wanted to use a newer license. I could be wrong though. And you are incorrect. Wikipedia licenses everything therefore the same things do (well, did) apply.<br />
::::"''Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page.''" No. Anyone can revert anyones edits. That's silly to say. It's all part of the modified version. And, as I was saying, I think the "Title Page" is actually the line with the tabs on it (fulfills all the requirements) or maybe all the surrounding MW information. Why? The publisher, D&D Wiki, does need to be specific somewhere as well (maybe that is the logo - since it does not direct to an image). For example "''For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title, preceding the beginning of the body of the text.''"<br />
::::Let me know if this answers your copyright questions.<br />
::::{{quote|<br />
D. Preserve all the copyright notices of the Document.<br />
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E. Add an appropriate copyright notice for your modifications adjacent to the other copyright notices.<br />
|orig=[[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]]<br />
}}<br />
::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, we can compare this wiki to wikipedia and we are. If you are saying we are doing it wrong, then you are also claiming that wikipedia was doing it wrong during their time using this license. I suggest you seek legal counsel if you truly feel that way. We have the GNU FDL for many reasons, and I will not devolve into a straw man argument. If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever. Simple as that. In the meantime, either call your bluff of legal action or drop the issue. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever." So how am I supposed to take away the "hitting submit" that I have already done, how is anyone that thought there was going to be the author template meant to? "Anyone can revert anyones edits." So why can users not have the author template if they chose? And why would you refuse to change [[Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)]] back to the way Daniel Draco requested? Also, "Actually I think Template:Author is forbidden under this license." That's silly to say. It would be part of the document, having no effect on the licence itself. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Because that template is being removed... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Sabre, why don't we agree to disagree on how the license is properly applied in a wiki format. You go get a lawyer to prove your point, and that would sway my thoughts. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 02:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Ignoring fulfilling the licence (lets assume that history does cover it) is there any reason why people can't say "I made this"? Most articles on this wiki aren't a collaborative effort. Also, I don't need to get a lawyer, I don't care about your liabilities though I thought I would warn you seeing I was doing the research anyway (this wiki seemed as good as any for a practical example). --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::When you first brought the subject back up it just came across as if you were threatening to seek legal action. That is why I said that. I know sometimes with type it is hard to come across appropriately, so I am sorry if I misunderstood. The simple fact is, if wikipedia did it - we can do it. And yes it is a valid example. Wikipedia's contributors are writing in their own words using a system or information already available. Our contributors are creating content using a system and rules already available. If wikipedia says that history is fine, then history is fine. The mere fact that the largest supporter of GNU FDL in a wiki format does that would be a huge point in any legal defense of the action ''(I don't remember the legal term they have for that, but basically it is when something is unsure at first but then through practice becomes reality)''.<br />
::::::::::All that being said, I never cared for the author template. It's best feature to me was actually the "status" field where you can let a user know if something is still being figured out. I made a quick Article Status template and have used it instead for a bit. That is really all the information the average surfer needs. If someone wants to know who is the author, they can simply go to the history or any messages on the talk page about the article. It doesn't hurt anyone, and helps the average surfer have the content right up front. I really don't understand all the fuss. If someone ever added something to this wiki thinking that it would either be published and they could revert to sole ownership or that it would never change and be altered ''(which requires ignoring the warning every edit)'' then that was foolish.<br />
::::::::::Additionally, I know that you said you have researched it. So have I, and I believe TK back before he was banned. What I discovered since was simple. Since it hasn't been brought to legal court, you can basically research it and take with it what you want. If you want it to come across a certain way, you read it that way. In short: it's vague. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::I prefer that someone may take ownership, as the primary creator then people may go onto the history page to see who has contributed. On an open contribution site there should still be a way for the user to keep their own work as it is, even if it is under the GNU FDL. It can still be copied and edited on another website (with the history) though on this website would be their final creation. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You may indeed prefer that, but that goes against the very nature of a '''collaborative''' site. Short of vandalism or spam, and that means that you wish to retroactively not have to accept the warning that has been in place for every edit since the site began, which reads: ''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here''. This isn't a personal database for any of us to "dump" or "store" our ideas. It is a collaborative and dynamic site. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I understand that, though each creation needs a form of leadership. Collaboration is only good if you have a goal, in creativity each persons goals may be different and you will get members editing the pages to their liking. A author box provides the creator (presumably the primary contributor) to lead the project, taking in others ideas (as it has previously done through giving ideas on talk pages. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::See, now I like what you're saying. Let me say that in our case, an Author template could theoretically never be correct. Yes, it may just be by happenchance that a user puts up an article and other than formatting or spelling no one else changes it. But for some of the big articles, we may have 50 users and IP and at least one chuck norris vandal over years of it being online and at that point the author template would either be huge and obstructive or it wouldn't be able to give everyone due - invalidating it. I made a quick Article Status template that I personally like because it allows someone to say where they are in their own process on an article and gives other users an idea to work with. Because we are different in our content in that degree than say, my above example of wikipedia, I do believe that we could utilize some sort of Article Status/Goal template. This would allow people to assist each other and improve articles, without getting into the author debate. But maybe that is another talk for another day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Am I misunderstanding what is happening here? Hooper and Green Dragon seem to be arguing against having an Author template on a page. I don't see any problem with Author Templates. I think DnD Wiki is collaborative on the whole, meaning while each page has a unique author (or team of authors), the entire site's content is free for all and collaboratively edited. If I write a class (and I have), I want it to be my own. While I'm not going to pretend to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo, I would expect to be the next to last word on all edits (final word being an admin can choose to delete it if it is offensive or something and doesn't comply with policy, but that's it). If I've written a class I want my name on it; partly for credit, partly as a way for people to contact me, and partly because it makes me proud. We're going to take my name off my page because some random IP thinks I should get Power Attack as a bonus feat at level 2, and suddenly he becomes the author? No, that's just foolish.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not Exactly Badger. This discussion mostly is about the legal mumbo jumbo. The GNU FDL is vague in regards to it's implementations of author and title in a wiki format. Reading it one way, the Author Template would never ever be enough to give all the proper credit. Reading it the other way ''(the way wikipedia does)'', the Author Template is invalid and should be removed but history can never be deleted. <br />
:::::As far as "final word", we all have to keep in mind that there has always been a warning (which I quoted above) that once we submit content, it can be edited mercilessly. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Am I violating copyright? ==<br />
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Hello, GreenDragon, and thank you for your time. I am currently working on a page (Drevanius campaign setting) and I am wondering if including statistics of creatures (nothing else) from another DND source is violating copyright. The section is Creatures of Drevanius.<br />
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:What is the source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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You seem like a Very Knowledgable person, im currently working on designing an Epic level 3.5 Campaign, ive been designing NPCs Main chars and what not, and one of the main chars ive built diesnt have a name, as ironic as it is, it is a 15th Age Cat. Advanced Paragon White Great Wyrm of Legends, Leader of the Dragon council, and by far the strongest dragon among them, he is very unique and i just dont know what to call him, if you have the chance i would really appriciate it if you could shoot come good names at me, im just drawing a blank<br />
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Thanks - [[User:Envoyof aGod|Envoyof_aGod]] 19:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Something interesting...==<br />
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I noticed that your RfA was mysteriously and unexplainably deleted, Greeny. I was just curious what that meant for your re-nomination of adminship. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Read the subscript on [[RfA]] and this post will be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You mean the part where you belatedly added that you and Blue were exceptions to the RfA policy? Why yes, I did happen to read that. And the part where you said (and then removed) that if you were voted against, you'd demote yourself. Why taunt people with stuff you'll never do? --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed my mind, and the policy as such, relating to adminship about [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]'s and my admin status. It wasn't a "taunt". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::'Changing your mind' about something while a process is already being implemented (especially in regards to yourself when you're about to 'lose' because of the policy) is just low. Why the change of heart anyways? If you think you might 'change your mind' anyways, why bother having policies in the first place? Just 'change your mind' about anything you don't like, even if other people like it. Sure, sounds fair, reasonable and perfectly acceptable. Right. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not really fair huh. Oh well. D&D Wiki ''is'' also a physical thing (takes bytes, bandwidth, etc). Those physical aspects make it so the people relating to hosting and upkeep are not going to lose adminship (or bureaucratship; transparent in the case of [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Incidentally since it was mentioned, , whatever happened to Blue Dragon? He vanished from everywhere a few months before the big smash-up, and I've not seen hide nor hair of him since. Would be great to get in contact with him again (contacting him on the Wiki has been all but impossible, so, I suppose I'd need some alternate method.). -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 04:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::He's been around. He came around me during the winter holidays. He actually was the one who updated MW and the extensions, although he is not done. You want to contact him? I'll tell him to add back the "hosted by" part and when he does you can click it and contact him. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well hosting has been changed. But he checks his user talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Resignation ==<br />
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This is a notice to say that I will not be coming back to this wiki again. The issues you obviously have with control has caused me to lose faith in you and lose interest in the wiki. You have changed so much since I became admin, in more than one way. I would also like to point out that even though you own the physical server doesn't mean you have to be an admin here, you are only the host. Your attitude towards policies (and your need for power) were proven in you deleting your nomination for admin, when it was first posted you had began to fill it out and comply with the existing policy, then when the votes turned against you the policy was changed and the page deleted. You should go back and think about your actions, think about them from another point of view and see why those members left. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I will RfA you in a bit (with resignation as the reason or somesuch). I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship. Do you really not see how that is petty? One: This is not a democracy, although it has democratic influences. I don't care about all the democratic ways which things can be. It's not fair. Fairness, to me, is more important. On a different note they would no longer even edit, they may have just found it humorous to remove adminship from one who banned them for wrong actions. Look at it like this: Some people go to prison for committing crimes, they serve their time, they get out. After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor. Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care. This is not going to be like that. Do you understand where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say "Fairness, to me, is more important" do you mean "In my opinion, fairness is more important" or "It's more important for everyone to be fair to me, Green Dragon"? <br />
::''EDIT'': He means the first one.<br />
::Let me try and work through your analogy now: <br />
::*Some people go to prison for committing crimes<br />
::**Sabre070 <s>violated policy and was banned</s> was banned permanently <s>because of an inappropriate username</s> <s>without reason</s> with the implied reason that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] was banned, without reason (see his edits during the time), and was worried something was going on.<br />
::**<s>Later others disregard policies and get banned as a result (spamming the FA, unwarranted deletion, etc etc).</s> While true, it's irrelevant. We're talking about Sabre070 right now. If he did that we can include that in his "crimes". Otherwise, let's try to focus on the important issues.<br />
::*They serve their time, they get out.<br />
::**Then Sabre070's ban <s>expired</s> was undone 2 days later and he was allowed back into our open hearts once again, born anew, like a mighty Phoenix<br />
::*After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor.<br />
::**Sabre070 doesn't like how you lead, and tried to change that, by removing you from office (with an RfA).<br />
::*Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care.<br />
::** I don't care about what you think is fair, my word is <s>unimpeachable law</s> open to discussion, as long as we use logic. I, as Green Dragon, will delete that RfA, make new laws prohibiting future RfAs, and <s>pretend nothing happened</s> those are the results of the happenece. The deleted RfA's date and the revision history of [[RfA]] can be seen as evidence. This is my wiki, I own the damned thing.<br />
::--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC), with Green Dragon contributing.<br />
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:::I don't think [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] was banned though (save the small time right after I was banned). See also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ASabre070].<br />
:::Only the first way works, and not fully at that. I mean that fairness, as the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights is an important concept for me and how this site it run.<br />
:::"''my word is unimpeachable law''" - no. Things are discussed. Logic is used. I do not always get my way. It's just the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Allow me to amend my previous comment to reflect this new information. Until you reveal the true reason he was banned I'm leaving it as "without reason" because we both know there is nothing wrong with the username he'd been editing as since March of 2008.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I amended it as well, if you do not mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh, '''''"...I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship...."'''''. Best cliffnotes ever. <br />
::::::Related note: Should it be required that a person RfAing and the person being RfA's be '''X''' amount active on the wiki? I.e. so many edits, meeting a certain edit-per-month count, etc. etc.? I've always thought so. I also don't believe that votes from new or IPs should be counted in RfAs (Wikipedia doesn't count them - arguing that they may very well be single-purpose accounts). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I don't mind at all, facts are important! I think we are approaching the best approximation of the actual events. Can you fact check as to whether or not Sabre070 was involved in the goings on? I don't recall if he was, but he was unblocked 2 days later, so I assume he wasn't involved. <br />
:::::::Hooper, to address your question I always thought IPs were allowed to comment and such, but you had to be a registered user to actually vote (newly made voters subject inspection for meat puppetry).--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::That is a great question [[User:Hooper|Hooper]]. It needs to be discussed on [[Talk:Requests for Adminship]] though; this is not the place.<br />
::::::::Was [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] involved? Who knows. If you look at [[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2]] you can see a list of this so-called "RC Committee" - but not everyone on their was banned. E.g. [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]]. People were banned for doing actions against policy and/or violating their positions of authority. Bans are not given out for any other reason. The policy comes from Wikipedia. This committee was never implemented since it was illogical compared to alternatives, which are now in place. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::The so called "RC Committee"? If you had've looked I am not mentioned on that page once. Also, the reason for my blocking was that Aarnott had blocked Green Dragon for 3 days for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment: You are acting out of line right now. Perhaps you should clear your head and come back to this later... Otherwise, this site will lose a lot of its users." and he explains other reasons on his RfA. If I am looking at the block list correctly, you are saying that you are free to intimidate and harass anyone, though others aren't? Also, I like how you always say "we use logic here" (Green Dragon Logic) and also say that it is a wiki and not a dictatorship, yet also say that it is your wiki and you cannot get banned, un-nominated, or treated like any other user. <br />
:::::::::Also, I was not involved, the only edits I have done can be seen here: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=Sabre070&namespace=&year=2009&month=8 Contributions]. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I don't know where you guys all grew up or worked, but the person footing the bills makes the rules. You are free to disagree, but in the end it comes down to the owner makes the calls. It is obvious from months of the transientwiki crowd and it's fallout's attempts that you will get nowhere, so just save yourself the trouble and leave. The owner has the final say, whether we agree with it or not. To think otherwise is insane. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Ya, you can trust [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] fully, or you can look at my edit contributions during those days. Normal. A policy, which was not agreed upon, was implemented. As such it was removed. Next?<br />
:::::::::::The rest of what you said is not true. Well, I guess that means all of it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi Green Dragon ==<br />
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It appears that a recent edit of the 3.5e Open Game Content page appears to be taken whole or in part from my site (http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/publication-list).<br />
The reason I suspect this is because <br />
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Steve Russell Presents…<br />
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appears on your page. Steve Russell owns Rite Publishing and personally sent me that material to upload on the Grand OGL Wiki. So I think one of your users may have <br />
copy/paste that material.<br />
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If the DnDWiki intends to replicate the Open Game Content from my site on this site can you make sure that the section 15 for that material appears in your sites open game license.<br />
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If you wish to contact me about this matter feel free to email me at gedakm@gmail.com. I can put you in contact with Steve Russell if you like as well.<br />
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- Mark Gedak<br />
DM Sketchpad/Grand OGL Wiki<br />
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:On closer inspection of the similarities of our page, [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content]], and theirs, linked above - it seems like we have most of the bigger names where they go a bit more in depth, and that the random Steve Russell Presents is the only shared link that shows a common history of edit. However, I am really confused as to the request to alter our Section 15 of the OGL. In that same sense, we could argue that the entire website Grand OGL Wiki should change theirs as we existed before them. I just don't understand the real problem here. An OGC game is listed on an OGC page, and that is absolutely fine imho. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::See also [[Talk:Open Game License v1.0a#Attribution in Copyright Notice]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My Campaign Settings ==<br />
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I know that I havent made a great edit in quite a long while, but, I feel that my campaigns should be left up for people to edit. My addition, the Fallout setting has come under an attack of sorts and I feel that more can be done with it, just because one user starts something doesnt mean others can help pitch in, I have helped edit a few pages, even added some weapons. So please, if possible, help me keep my Fallout setting from getting deleted, I put a lot of time into adding the building blocks for it. The Mighty Boosh.<br />
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PS - I forgot how to add my name at the bottom, the one with the time posted and all, sincere apologies.<br />
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:Wow it's not an attack, I just added at delete tag to start a discussion. There's no content and the two or three pages that are there are not very good. If you're going to fix it then that's fine, but there's no real way for anyone else to add it since only you know what's in your head. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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The only thing that I need to have done is basic stats for weapons, vehicles, creatures, etc. I will, slowly but surely, put up descriptions of weapons, creatures and vehicles. And I will also do my best to come up with detailed backgrounds of environments and adventures, all I need is some help coming up with stats then the Fallout setting should get rolling along. [[User:The Mighty Boosh|The Mighty Boosh]] 04:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== SEARCHING ==<br />
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When I am trying to search by keywords, sometimes the search engine is not coming back with any results.<br />
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For example I am searching for HAWK for 3.5. There are no search results.<br />
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== Error while searching. ==<br />
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Hello all,<br />
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Congrats on the great job on the D&D wiki.<br />
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I was searching with keyword: ''Samurai'' and ''samurai'' and the result I got was:<br />
''Query failed: connection to localhost:3312 failed (errno=111, msg=Connection refused). ''<br />
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I know there were pages resulting from this same search since I have been browsing them the past week.<br />
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Hope it helps.<br />
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Dervell.<br />
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:I had problems with this yesterday as well. But then it mysteriously started working again so I figured you were working on the problem while I was online. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Move Errors ==<br />
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Hey Green. It appears that since the server issue some of us are experiencing problems when we try to move pages. It doesn't happen every single time, but seems to be at least 3/4ths. The page will stay in a loading status for quite some time and then it'll pop up a database error. Just FYI. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:So you don't have to, this is a quote of the error I'm getting: ''"A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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(SQL query hidden)<br />
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from within function "Title::deleteTitleProtection". MySQL returned error "2006: MySQL server has gone away (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".''" &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] said he has time to look at it tomorrow so that should be the case. Same with the sword, delete. Do you know of more things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Not so far. Jazz above mentions some search problem but I haven't been able to duplicate that. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's hit or miss. I tried it just now and got the error again. Along with the error message, the "search in namespaces" list is misformatted. But then other times it will just work, so it seems to be an intermittent problem. The only other thing I noticed was yesterday every now and then after editing a page it would give me an error that made it look like my edit wasn't saved, but when I went back to check, it was saved. Again, it's nothing repeatable, it just happens off and on. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I seemed to have found a pattern to the searching error: If you type in an exact page name (SRD:Fighter) into the search box then hit "go" (or hit enter), it works fine. If you type in a page name that doesn't exist ("test") you get the error. Also, if you type in a name that does exist but hit "search" instead of "go", you also get the error, so I'm guessing that something went wrong with the search function itself, and not the search box. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hopefully this weekend all the problems should be dealt with. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Article ==<br />
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GD, I would like to recommend an article of mine for a featured article. [[Black Lion (4e Optimized Character Build)]]. I created an entire 4e Class, all of its Class Powers, an entire 4e Paragon Path, and built this Optimized Build just for it. Not only does it include all the prerequisites of a good article, it includes User-generated Tables by Tier, Class Summaries every 10 levels, explanations of unique items and their strategies for use, and an expanded information section which expounds upon the Classes Role in general. I even included a designers guidelines for enemy and character progression by level and a Compare/Contrast section with this builds biggest competing build. Everything you need all in one spot. Tell me what you think? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 09:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I am curious as to what you say to the following. When ones makes their own content and then makes a Optimized Character Build from that content it normally is not an "optimization" but rather a "specific 'hole-in-the-game' optimization" specifically created by themselves to optimize an already exploited idea. E.g. natural weapons and natural fighting in this case.<br />
:Of course this may not be the case, I have not throughly looked. I'm just asking for your opinion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I noticed you used the words "Hole" and "Exploited". Words that rhyme with "Loop-hole", "Broken", and "Cheating". If that is what you mean, then no. This is not that kind of optimization.<br />
::This is a what some people refer to as a "Build". A specific construction of levels, items, and powers that accomplishes a pre-defined purpose. That purpose being: "Maximizing Damage-per-Round during Combat". This also fulfills the Striker Role within 4th Edition as well. See.., the Black Lion Class is currently a working Striker Class within 4e, and this optimization is a fulfillment of it's ultimate potential. However, the Black Lion Class was not created with this specific optimization in mind. The class came ''before'' the optimization and not the other way around.<br />
::I hope that helps. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Feel free to nominate for FA status, of course. Anyone can nominate any article for FA status. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another post-server fail error ==<br />
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Looks like over on the Media Repository, any time I try to see anyones (even my own) contributions there it pulls up an error. Minor, but just fyi. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems to be working for me now in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Media Fail ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<pre>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: <br />
(SQL query hidden)<br />
from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</pre><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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i would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Errata ==<br />
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Hey Peter Gabert,<br />
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I just had a discussion on the WotC board about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). Your DnD wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavour.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed to your wiki, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers.<br />
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Adriaan Renting.<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Title ==<br />
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Heh, sorry about that. For some reason I'm very set in the habit of not creating titles for the first post on a talk page. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's the correct way to do it. No worries, of course, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
{{quote|4e is a rule set, not a time period.<br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Page ==<br />
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I'd like to request a Protection from IP's be placed on my [[White Guard (3.5e Class)]] article. Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You actually don't have to request this, just find a page that has it and look at the source code. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh, good idea. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::There isn't a source code for protection, it's an additional tab that only certain users (on this wiki, I imagine only admins) have access to. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I protected it from IP edits. And yes, only admins have access to the tab. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Ummm..... GD, I don't know whats going on, I may be mistaken as to what you were asking, however I just tried getting it from the source code of another page for IP protection and it worked... [[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I'm pretty sure that's just a template to let IPs know they are unable to edit the page. They still can edit it, unless an admin has actually protected a page. Think of that source code (the template you copied) as a sign saying "road flooded", but you need an admin to actually add the flood water. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Ahhh. Ok, thanks for the clarification. However this can still be useful. If a sign reads 'road flooded 10 km ahead', most cars wouldn't test it. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold buffs? ==<br />
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Hey, I was just looking at the negitive level adjustment page, and looked at the discussion page. <br />
And someone said that they didnt think that kobolds were -2 la, cause of the "buffs" they been getting.<br />
You said that the "last few books that wizards published" made them more of a -1 la.<br />
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I was wondering what are these buffs/books?<br />
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::he probably means Races of Dragon and possible Dragon Magic. RoD actually made kobolds kinda cool--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 02:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats what I was thinking after I asked the question, but just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything.<br />
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::::If I remember correctly it was Races of Dragon, but you could always check the date of the comment and the publication dates. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a Races of Dragon Excerpt]. It gives Kobolds Slight Build (opposite of Half-Giant's Powerful Build), natural weapons and weapon proficiencies. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Candidates for Deletion ==<br />
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I finished my first-brush pass at candidates for deletion category. All-in-all I deleted or removed the deletion tag from over 200 articles! I skipped the campaign settings for now because they have so many sub pages, but that will be my next project.<br />
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One thing I noticed when clearing out all those pages was that a lot of them had talk pages by new users asking why we wanted to delete their page. In many cases, I'm guessing that it turned users away from the wiki, because they are trying to learn all these new things then all of the sudden somebody threatens to take it all away. I don't think the use of the deletion template is fully explained anywhere, so I created [[Template:Delete/why|this]] to help new users understand that we aren't delete-hungry monsters. If you approve, I can add a link to it within the deletion template.<br />
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Another thing I saw is pages that had enough information to be completed, they just weren't completed yet. They aren't usable as is, but I don't think it's right to delete them since there's enough there that someone else could finish it with a little gruntwork. I've started a discussion (so far it's just me) about a possible solution [[Category_talk:Candidates_for_Deletion#Idea_for_half-completed_pages|here]]. (While you're there, I had some ideas on the discussion just above it as well.) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
::::::::::;transitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
::::::::::;intransitive verb<br />
::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Idea about "authors" ==<br />
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I was thinking last night. A ''lot'' of pages still have "authors" listed in the infobox, and I've noticed you've spent a ton of time editing this out. Would it make sense just to take out the authors parameter from the infobox templates? That way it would stop showing up everywhere at once.<br />
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I would be glad to do it, as it's a good way to learn how templates work, I just wanted to make sure you approved before I changed almost every page on this wiki! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Why are the authors being removed? I think it's a great idea to have them so that the creators can easily be contacted about the page, or other pages they have done. It also allows authors to take pride in the work they spent so much time creating. I would hate to have the author section removed on my pages and pages I view, just something to consider. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::the long-short of it is if you wanna see authors, look in history. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 20:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::As Name Violation said, the authors are always in the history. The bigger issue is that "authorship" gives users a misleading impression about the GNU license. What ends up happening is people see the "authors" box and then don't edit pages because they are afraid they are going to be treading on someone else's work, and those pages sit around without being completed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::However what happens with pages made weeks ago? or months ago, or more? Or what if people like what they have posted and want only minor edits, I realize that it's ok for them to be edited, but some people only want certain degrees of editing done to their pages. Also it says in the box that constructive edits are welcome, unless specified otherwise. If people care enough to respect the author then they should also care enough to read that part. Plus, it won't change a thing if the author isn't listed, its still not made by them and they know there is another author, therefore they will most likely give the same degree of caution.<br />
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::::So if having authors has advantages and some people want them to be listed, and the disadvantages will be in effect either way, it seems there is still no logical reason in my mind to remove them. Anyways, thats just my two cents, ignore me if you want to. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Personally, I'm with Vrail on this one. I don't pretend to understand the legal ramifications behind authorship/ownership and GNU-FDL, or whatever else. I know if I see a minor problem with a page (typo, minor formatting, circumlocution, etc) I fix it. If I'm making a mechanical change I post it on the talk page first, and wait for someone else to pipe in (even someone else other than the author) and if they think my edit is for the better I'll make it. I know I have a few things on this wiki, and I'd like to be told before someone is making mechanical changes to my work, not just see it in the revision history. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's a couple different issues here:<br />
::::::#People who don't want their articles edited. "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Sorry, that's just the way it is.<br />
::::::#People who want to take credit for their work. As was stated before, the author's name is on the history. If you want to take credit for you work, put a link on your talk page. There's really no need to take credit on the page itself.<br />
::::::#People who make edits to pages without taking into consideration the original author. This is going to happen (and in fact, does happen) whether or not there's a little box at the top saying "this page belongs to X". It's good wiki etiquette to ask before making major changes; Wikipedia has pages that are so long gone from the original authors that literally thousands of different editors have made changes, yet still it's expected that any significant changes are explained on the talk page. I think this is a better way to do things, really. Having an "author" relies on the fact that creators stick around to help other people with their pages, and I think it's pretty clear that in the long run that very rarely happens.<br />
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::::::I should clarify that I'm not trying to change policy here, I'm just going along with what [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Duck_McGraw_%283.5e_NPC%29&diff=prev&oldid=459965 GD has already been doing]. Also, I like the idea of authors in theory, but I think on this specific website, it's making things worse, not better. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::True, but I'm not argueing that articles shouldn't be eddited by everybody. This, while as has been stated, can be done with poor etiquette I agree it is part of posting things on the wiki. It even says so as you have quoted. However a number of people do not check history or discussion pages, and it's nice to have people know it was you who developed the page. I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.<br />
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:::::::In the end I do agree with some of your points, but wish to stick with my original position. I think authors are a good idea, and why would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::''[A] number of people do not check history or discussion pages...''<br />
:::::::::We shouldn't be catering to the people who are doing it wrong, we should be teaching them how to do it right. Besides, if someone's not going to look at the history or discussion page, they probably aren't looking at the author template.<br />
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::::::::''[It's] nice to have people know it was you who developed the page.''<br />
:::::::::Meh. If you need the satisfaction, your name will forever be in the history, and you are free to link to the articles on your userspace. I don't see this as a compelling reason to keep the author template.<br />
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::::::::''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think...'''<br />
:::::::::I bet more ''don't'' than ''you'' think :) You can't use yourself as an example, because you are one of the 10% of editors who actually comes back more than once. Trust me, in cleaning up the d20 Modern side of things as well as several hundred deletion candidates, I can tell you that there are tons of people who never stay for more than 1 week, tops. But the site's only 4 years old; what happens a year for now, or two, or ten? If we assume that the site exists forever, then eventually every editor will leave and never come back.<br />
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::::::::''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''<br />
:::::::::I don't know why they were added, but people rarely do things ''knowing'' they aren't going to work out well. You do them, then ''later'' figure out they didn't work well.<br />
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::::::::Remember, not having the word "author" on the top doesn't stop you from ''acting'' like one. If you create a page and someone comes along and changes a mechanic without explanation, you have every right to change it back, whether or not it's your name on the top of the page. But that's a product of wiki etiquette, not a product of who was the first person to edit the page.<br />
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::::::::So in the end, what's changed by removing the author template? Sure, you lose (some) recognition, and that's hard for some people to swallow. I have created very little original content on this wiki, and the few things I have created have gone unnoticed by the community, and yes, it made me a little sad. But I know that anyone who comes along a week or a month or a decade from now can look at the pages and say "hey, I really like this, I wonder who wrote it?" and only be a couple clicks from finding out it was me.<br />
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::::::::What else do you lose? I can't think of anything. But what do you gain? Things might actually get done, instead of waiting for a long-gone author's permission to correct spelling and grammar errors. People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages (I don't pretend to know all the things that have gone on in this wiki before I got here, but from what I ''do'' understand, this single fact could have solved a lot of it). New users won't be so intimidated and will contribute more and stay longer. We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.<br />
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::::::::I'm not trying to be biased in my assessment, but I really don't see the costs/benefits favoring keeping the templates. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::lol, nice counters to my points. :P However I am one of those authors who finds it hard to swollow loosing some recognition. Also, many new users, if the author isn't presented on the main page then they won't know were to find it if they like the page. Instead of not having authors, we could just make it clear that you have full creative principle with others articles and can edit constructively, as the box usually states. As well, for things such as classes and races, yes, some people do get to overprotective of their articles. However, if somebody came along and started making major changes to my campaign setting, which I have invested many hours into, then I would be a bit displeased. Although I do have to agree with your point that it would be less intimidating for new users. However for this to happen, we would have to make it clear that all posts are comunity developed instead of just not including authors.<br />
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:::::::::You are slowly convincing me, but remember, I ''do'' have a biased assesment of things, seeing as I have always loved being able to see authors, and having people be able to see myself as an author. So therefore I may not be the best candidate to discuss this with. :P--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.''"<br />
::::::::::Of course keep in mind "''If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox before creating the page. Keep in mind "my preferences" &rarr; "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed". Your username or IP address will be recorded in the new pages history for authorship purposes.''" ([[Add Instructions]]).<br />
::::::::::"''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''"<br />
::::::::::[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] made it since he felt people should have a sense of authorship. Over time this has been shown to be counter-productive.<br />
::::::::::As [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] said "''People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages ... We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.''"<br />
::::::::::And I would like to give an example. Quite a while ago I made the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)]] and then decided that authorship should be disregarded as the editing method. As such I put it up for adoption (as this was the 'correct' way to approach this at this time ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=289660&oldid=233570 diff]) ). Over time my article was changed quite a bit and a picture was added ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=444354&oldid=289660 diff]). As a person I still feel a sense of "ownership" of this article. My plan? A while ago I looked at the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]] and thought maybe I should just revert it. However I saw some merit and ideas. So, now when I have some extra time, I am planning on piping in on the discussion and helping to make it 'good' as I see it. So, what is authorship? If I had kept my name on it all the new merit and ideas would never be able to be seen, and I think it would have actually ultimately hindered the future of the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's called having two articles with different names and different authors. You should try it some time. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You can look at it like that, and please do, however I find that the ''idea'' behind a certain creation type should be the best that it can be. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::Would you be willing to put the idea to a vote? Clearly among the 5 contributing users commenting on this thread we have a 3-2 split, overall in favor of keeping the author tag(Vrail, Jota(?), and myself for, Green Dragon and Jazzman opposed). I think the fact that "wiki" is in the name of the website should be a hint enough that you can edit freely any article you want. Also, I believe your welcome message encourages editing of all articles. Finally, we don't know what would have happened if you had left your authorship on that page. It's just as likely that someone would have seen it, and left their comments on the talk page and you (as the author) could have started a dialog about what should go and what should stay. If you didn't want to be in charge of leading that dialog, by all means throw on the adoption template and walk away, but many of us are in favor of being the main contributor to our work. I personally don't think we all should forfeit our rights to credit and ownership because you did it once and it turned out ok. To me that is likely the exception, not the rule. Look at how many unfinished articles are up for adoption but remain the same, and how many with authors are being changed and collaborated on. One other note, looking at the talk page, it looks like most of the changes occurred after adoption (when a new user name was on it) and most of the contributions were by names I recognize to be "editing buddies" of the adopter. By "editing buddies", I mean wiki-friends who all contribute on each others talk pages all the time. I saw no new editors, merely conversation between comrades suggesting things to the adoptive editor. Quite frankly, it may only have been adopted because you, Green Dragon, are the one who put it up for adoption. I know I'd be curious to see something you wrote. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:This is not a voting issue. Voting is used when options are equivalent or have to be classified as equivalent (e.g. taste).<br />
:What are the options? (a) To use history for authorship purposes (see also [[Add Instructions]]) or (b) use [[Template:Author]] and history for authorship purposes.<br />
:Why are (a) and (b) not equivalent? Since they do not serve the same purpose. [[Template:Author]] is a template with a creation date, username & options for contact, and an 'overall' editing summary. Although these ''are'' equivalent to the history tab in ''presence'', they are not comprehensive. This non-comprehensive aspect makes them not equivalent. <br />
:Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page, fulfilling the criteria of (b)? This is where this discussion has its core. My answer is because the non-comprehensive aspect can be deceiving. It can appear to many as a ''comprehensive'' history tab, making it deceiving to users which may not understand tabs (e.g. [[User talk:Green Dragon#Ganteka]]) and through the process disregarding some users. <br />
:I ask anyone to give their input to the question of "''Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page?''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think the Ganteka section you pointed out is a prime example of why author templates would help. If Axl could have seen "'''Author:''' 238.346.23.6785" up in the main info box he would not have assumed that Ganteka wrote it. As to perceived comprehensiveness, I think we both know that's silly. No one expects a page on a wiki to have a single contributor, that's not how wikis work. If anyone sees an author tag and thinks "Well, I can't edit this page because it belongs to that guy" the problem is with teaching how wikis work. I understand that somewhere we should have a comprehensive list of who contributed what to where, but I don't think that means we have to get rid of an author template. History is important, and I don't think we should ever get rid of it (I don't even think we can, that's kinda the point), but I don't see any problem with having a single line that says "'''Author:''' Badger". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There are some D&D chats on the web. Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Right now the technical expertise are not available. When they are I will respond in the discussion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:54, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::::What expertise do we need available? Are you considering returning to an IRC channel run through the wiki, like before? I'm more than willing to learn what we'd need to make that happen. If you want to consider using a free outside server, the expertise is already here (I think). I don't want to volunteer anyone, but I think Jazzman already has the knowledge to maintain a IRC channel. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:28, 29 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
josh<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|'''author_name=Mercurious'''<br />
|date_created= 07/28/10<br />
|status= Incomplete<br />
}}<br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 14:49, 16 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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So what is the policy on stuff I am allowed to have on my own user page? Linking to a diff where you censored something I wrote doesn't seem very offensive to me. I'm not trying to steal your users. I really don't care if they come to our wiki or stay here. We already have a good community -- we don't need to recruit and we don't need to try to shield people from seeing other wikis. I was literally just offering a helping hand as to where a D&D chatroom already exists (note: a chatroom is not a competing wiki) or suggesting that you look into getting your own mibbet chatroom (probably a good idea since you don't need to host it or pay anything!). The link to the diff was put there to point out that, even after a good year, you still aren't willing to be peaceful. It makes sense to have a link like that on my user page because it reflects my state as a user here: someone who holds very little respect for the actions and admin style of the owner of this site AND has evidence to back up that claim.<br />
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So, what is the policy for user pages, exactly? What kind of content is ok and what sort of stuff do you want to censor? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:13, 29 October 2010 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott&diff=492733User:Aarnott2010-10-29T18:06:45Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>For anyone wondering about my side of the wiki drama here, please see [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_Adminship/Aarnott2&oldid=427137].<br />
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Also, gotta love when an admin censors a comment meant to benefit the community [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=prev&oldid=492547]... Nice job snapping that olive branch I was extending. Well played.<br />
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'''Archived stuff''': [[User:Aarnott/Archive1|Archive 1]]</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=492535User talk:Green Dragon2010-10-28T22:52:16Z<p>Aarnott: /* Tavern re-opening */</p>
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== A different sort of game ==<br />
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I have a roleplaying game known as World Tree which uses skill advancement instead of class advancement. A character in the game is given a number of skill points at creation with no restrictions as to where they may go. I was thinking of doing a variant of this and even eliminating such things as abilities (there would instead be a lift and carry skill, for instance). I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss such a different system but I was hoping to work with others on it. Can you make any suggestions? My e-mail is brenner.mike at gmail.com<br />
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Thank you for your time, -Michael Brenner. {{Unsigned|204.210.188.32|10:23, 12 December 2009 (MST)}}<br />
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:Well a few options exist. How different is it from D&D? One option is to make a "radical" variant rule out of it; keeping the structure on D&D Wiki in general. Another option is to make a self-contained wiki (like WikiRPS); hosting could be discussed if that is the desired option. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:01, 12 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Aura Guardian ==<br />
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Hey Green, I was wondering if you would mind looking over the Aura guardian and see if anything so far could be abused? Also let me know what direction I should focus in, Defense of adding some offensive choices. Ive considered a VERY restrictive spell list, like maybe only the healing domain up to 4 and protection up to 4. Not sure. Also I could use some help with the flavor for anyone else reading this! Thank you in advance. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 12:30, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I took a look at it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:03, 19 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Brawler, fair fight ==<br />
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heya, i've been using this web site for ages and it's awesome, a player notified me of the Brawler class.<br />
At 7th level i think, he gets a special ability called fair fight, i was just looking at it and thought it was... well a little overpowered/little... silly (sorry if that offends btw.)<br />
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The feat basicly entails that people make a save or drop there weapons because it would be unfair otherwise... this gives a huge advantage to the brawler, as well as seeming silly as people who want him dead wouldn't think that they should kill him fairly (mostly) and those who would can normally be persuaded/ goaded into it. The skill might be relevant if the brawler had any actual arcane/divine powers but other then that he does not.<br />
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Anyway, asides from that it is an awesome class, a monk without the code of laws and from what I've seen of it a very balanced class except that.<br />
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Constructive criticisms ahoy! (Btw, i let my player have a feat rather then the ability)<br />
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== Talk page is really long/Review too ==<br />
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Your talk page is really long. Might be time to archive. Hehe. Peace. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 14:50, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:GD, can you do me a big favor when you get a chance. I read your review of the Aura Guardian 3.5e Class. It was a flawless review. I was hoping you could give the Freerunner 3.5e Class a similar review. Currently the class is rated 20/20 and could really benefit from your perspective in particular. Thanks a million. (Just if you get a free moment.) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:09, 20 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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== 3.5e Creatures, Leader of the Hunt ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Leader of the Hunt (3.5e Creature)#Review]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== 4e Deities, Foamy the Squirrel ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Foamy the Squirrel (4e Deity)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:28, 21 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== MediaWiki Upgrade ==<br />
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Just noticed the new Media Wiki version! Awesome! Just having some issues, not sure if they are new or what but there is no more autoconfirmation group. So whenever I edit a page it is asking for a key code. Is this intentional? -[[User:Sleaker|Sleaker]] 06:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:[[Special:ListGroupRights]] and [[User talk:Green Dragon#Spam and ReCaptcha]] should answer your questions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:47, 21 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== MSRD cleanup ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon: I think [[user:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] is the "official" go-to guy for the MSRD, but I think he's (semi)retired, so here I am. I use the MSRD all the time, and think it could benefit from some changes, namely wikilinks to other MSRD articles, especially the skills and feats. I wouldn't mind working on this project, but obviously all of the pages are locked. Where do you think I should go to start/discuss this project? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:24, 3 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Is there anyone left who's in control of the d20 Modern side of things anymore? I posted [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=MSRD_Talk:Treat_Injury_%28Skill%29&oldid=455659 this] almost a week ago, but I don't think anyone noticed. There are some things that need cleaned up, and I would love to help out but 95% of it is locked. I see no reason why we shouldn't be able to turn [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451096 this] into [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=451102 this]. Or at a minimum, clear out all the typos. If there's anything I can do to help, or if there's someone else I should talk to, let me know. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well that would need to be discussed before changing with someone who knows D20 Modern better. Or if you would not mind explaining it a bit more (since both the links you supplied are from a subpage of your username - or do you mean just adding links to the article?). Do you see what I mean?<br />
::And, if you want to go through and add a few things throughout the MSRD and clean things up I would be more then willing to give you temporary admin rights for you to work a bit on that. Let me know please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 06:29, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::First of all, thanks for fixing those other links.<br />
:::Second, sorry about the confusion. I'm not trying to change wording or anything, just clean up some typos and make the pages more navigable. That page in my subspace is just a random page from the MSRD that I copy/pasted there to give you an example of what I want to do. If you look at the [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AJazzman831%2Fworkspace&diff=451102&oldid=451096 diffs], you can see that the only thing I did was add wikilinks. (I had to do it in my userspace because I couldn't actually edit the article in question). As it is now, none of the pages have interwiki links, so if you are reading, for example, a class description and it references a feat, you have to go back up to the main MSRD page then navigate to the feat page then find your feat. I would just like to make the feat a link so all you'd have to do is just click it.<br />
:::If you're comfortable giving me temporary admin rights then I'm more than willing to help out. It might take a while, though, since there are a lot of pages![[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 13:48, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Pooka Race ==<br />
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Sir, the rituals available for Wild Soul have always been listed there: <br />
"You can use any of the following rituals as if they were at-will powers, with no component requirements and without a ritual book: Animal Friendship, Animal Messenger, Commune with Nature, or Speak with Nature."<br />
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==Access==<br />
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Hi there, for some reason my username doesn't want to co-operate with me. I try putting in my password and I get a message saying that it's invalid. I try to get a new one sent and nothing ever shows up in my inbox. I want to get on here and post some more stuff and because of this, I can't. Can you help me out? -- Mythos Specialist<br />
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:Actually, never mind. I didn't have anthing fully finished anyway, so I made a new account. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh don't. As long as your email is correct it is not a problem. I just have to wait a few days to do it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I already posted a full core class to the new profile. But, if you can get my old account running, it'd make it a lot easier to do the transfer. Besides, I like the new name... -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 13:58, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Classes, Thrillseeker ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Thrillseeker (3.5e Class)#Categorization]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 11:07, 26 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== Been away for a while ==<br />
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Hi Green Dragon. Ive been gone for a while - one of those who left during the 'great admin dispute' - I have come back though and was just curious what happened to the tavern. Thanks --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 10:21, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You'll find that after the 'great admin dispute,' as you call it, [[User talk:Green Dragon/Archive 17#Recent Tavern Changes|the general consensus among those who were active before said incident seemed to be that the Tavern was superfluous and unproductive]], although I believe cost-engineering may be playing some part in its continued absence (inferred from the section above). -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First of all - that's what it was 'a huge dispute amongst the admins' that seemed to threaten the well being of the wiki (why i left) - but bygones be bygones<br />
::Personally I think that the tavern was a good thing - it allowed for more person to person feedback on content. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 16:33, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I wasn't disagreeing with your phrasing (though I have my own thoughts on said incident and subsequent changes), I was just using the same terminology to affirm that we were referring to the same event(s). --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:05, 12 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::See also [[Discussion:The Tavern: use, expansion, and availability.]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:13, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Repeatedly adding a stat to ac. ==<br />
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One of my friends in my D&D group has been planning to add wisdom at least 3 times to his ac by taking various classes that allow wisdom to be added to ac. Is doing something like this allowed?<br />
BTW, the campaign we are doing is a gestalt, if that makes a difference.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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NO. It doesn't stack. Period. -- Mythos<br />
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Thanks much.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Also there is an argument going on in my group about bloodline levels. Some of my group is saying that bloodline levels raise class abilities such as sneak attack and other things that are simply made more powerful at regular intervals. The regular interval thing is the key to their argument since they say that means it is calculated by class level. I don't believe them. But do bloodline levels do what they say?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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Hello I am with the above user. Do you have anywhere in any book where it specifically says that Mythos? <br />
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Thanks for the reply. <br />
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--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 21:22, 13 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Mythos here...<br />
I'm pretty sure in the SRD (I don't have time to look it up) when it comes to modifiers, that you can only apply ability score modifiers once, like for instance bonuses to AC from a high DEX or WIS score. I think untyped bonuses do stack, however. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, as for gestalt (which I categorically despise), even under that, you can only, for instance, use one class' hit die at a time, in this case the higher. Ability modifiers work in much the same way. As for bloodlines, features such as spell save DCs, maximum skill ranks, caster level, those things are calculated using bloodline levels. Sneak Attack and such are only raised by actually having levels in said classes. Sorry to burst their power-gaming bubble. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 04:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks for the quick reply Mythos, only 1 of the classes actually have a type for the AC bonus thus the stat can be added 3 times. Also thanks for the reply regarding bloodlines! <br />
--[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 06:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hold up. Which classes allow this to stack? Ability modifiers, as I've said, do not stack. By "untyped bonus" I mean bonuses granted by the class, or certain other factors, not including ability bonuses. This is done so as not to totally unbalance the game with class dips. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Many of the classes the player has allows you to add wisdom to AC. One of them is a deflection bonus, the other are just wisdom bonus to AC without any type. So what does this mean for the player? Can he add his wisdom once, or once as a deflection bonus and another as a regular bonus? --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 16:05, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I would think once as untyped and once as deflection, but which class is it that adds it as a deflection?<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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I'm pretty sure you can add your ability modifier only ONCE. It doesn't matter what the type is. As for adding ability modifiers from different ability scores, I know you can, 'cos the Duelist does it. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 17:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:While your interpretation is logical from a balance perspective, I'm pretty sure the reigning methodology is that while other types do not, untyped bonuses stack. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 17:25, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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I agree that untyped bonuses stack, but not with themselves. eg adding wisdom twice to ac as an untyped modifier.<br />
--[[User:Cyte|Cyte]]<br />
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That's what I'm trying to explain here. Otherwise with a few clever prestige class dips, or worse, misusing gestalt rules, whilst doing same, you have a build that becomes utterly broken. Any bonus derived from ability score bonuses can only be applied once, right? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 20:27, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Logically yes, but I can't seem to find a rule that states this. --[[User:Zachrb|Zachrb]] 22:54, 14 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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It's out there, but I don't know where. I know I saw it, and it clearly said stacking the bonus for the same ability score doesn't happen. Here's a thought, though. In lieu of finding the rule, why not err on the side of common sense and not allow the bonus to stack? I mean, it works that way with magic spells that have the same effect as each other, so I'd be willing to bet ability modifiers don't stack either. It's just more logical. Otherwise, as I've said before, you can end up with something that completely wrecks the system. Also, has this player considered taking these 3 classes for the assumed triple-stacked Wisdom modifier as being incredibly munchkined? Because this kind of approach to a build is almost always about "Oooh, pluses!!" more than "Oooh, compelling character.." -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 03:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My new class ==<br />
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For anybody that pays attention to new material going up, I present to you the [[Battlemage (3.5e Class)|Battlemage]]. Enjoy. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 08:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mirror mephit ==<br />
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Hello I have a question about : [http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build)]<br />
'''Alternate first level trick'''<br />
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Aristocrat 1 (race independent) Feat 1: Magical training (player's guide to faerun) Feat 2: Precocious Apprentice: Summon Mirror Mephit (Expedition to the Demonweb Pits) Starting gold goes into purchasing a single vial of liquid pain.<br />
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Rounds 1->a Attempt to cast Summon Mirror Mephit until you can make the check. Optimization could allow this to autosucceed the first round, but it isn't needed Round b: toss your mirror mephit a vial of liquid pain, and have him use it with his spell-like Simulacrum ability As per the monster manual (which supercedes the SRD), a spell-like ability defaults to a standard action. With the vial, we have CL 9, sufficient to duplicate a 18 HD advanced efreeti (simulacrum is allowed to duplicate specific creatures). Divide the level by two, and we have a 9HD copy. Which is just as many hit dice as a normal efreet. Order the mirror mephit to order the efreeti to obey you completely before he vanishes.<br />
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You now have three free wishes. Start from step 4 of the above streategy.<br />
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The mirror mephit has 8th level for the caster level for simulacrum.<br />
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Did the liquid pain use as optional material component to improve the caster level by + 2 ?<br />
But simulacrum is a spell like ability, not a spell. Or use an other rule ? If yes, what page from book of evil darkness, please ?<br />
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The normal efreet has 10 HD, not 9. So, the caster level required is 10th level, no ?<br />
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Why do you choose aristocrast as class ? For the skills ? The starting money to buy liquid pain ?<br />
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Thanks for your future anwser.<br />
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:Once again, I fail to see the point in all this. Someone's misusing the rules for sure. Why not just be Pun-pun? -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh wait, this IS Pun-pun. Listen, feedback loops are not supposed to work. Maybe as a glitch in video games, but in D&D, no. -- [[User:Danzig Nyttafjell|Danzig]] 19:23, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Necromancer editing and advancement ==<br />
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Mr. Green Dragon:<br />
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Thank you for taking a look at my "necromancer" 4e base class. I developed it in conjunction with a colleague with whom I am playing a long-form campaign. <br />
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I seek your advice in improving the necromancer with two primary goals: I wish to, over time, produce a class whose quality ranks it among the best 4e homebrew classes on the site; and I want to make sure that the necromancer conforms ''in extremis'' to the D&D Wiki formatting standards. <br />
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As it stands now, I do not possess the proper knowledge to achieve those goals. So, to solve a few formatting problems immediately, I wish to clarify:<br />
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*Which powers listed on the necromancer main page need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Which necromancer powers listed elsewhere need to be moved to another page? Which other page?<br />
*Which creatures are listed on the necromancer main page that need to be moved to another page? If any, which other page?<br />
*Given that worship of a specific deity confers a class feature power or bonus upon the necromancer character, why does the list of deities and their related class feature benefit need to be moved up to the "Overview: Religion" section?<br />
*Given that you can see clearly which information is currently in tables which use HTML instead of the wikimedia editing format ("Phantom level/damage", "Phantom potential actions", "deity/benefit"; I assume that the "level/maximum Phantoms" table is satisfactory already), how can I change those tables into wikimedia format within those power and creature templates? The reason I used an unorthodox "HTML splice" technique to insert those tables is because I could not use the wikimedia format to add the tables within the templates (as it was apparently beyond my coding abilities).<br />
*How can I cause the "Contents" list to show separate sections within the Necromancer Class Features section? I believe that that section has become long enough to merit separate sections within the Contents. <br />
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I think that with your help and the assistance of the other users we should be able to clear up these formatting issues relatively quickly. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 21:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Furthermore, I have discovered an issue with the "Add or edit" radio button under "Add New 4e Power". When you replace "MyPower" in the text box with the name of your new power (for example, "Frigid Cyclone") and click the radio button, you are not directed to a text form to write the wikitext of the power. Instead, you are directed to a page that says "Add Form:4e Power: Frigid Cyclone (4e Power)" (again, "Frigid Cyclone" is the example power to be created) with a preexisting power box already below it, called "Blast of the Ancestors" (a "'vorgal' racial power"). If a user truly wants to create a new power, they must first click the "Show preview" radio button, which redirects to the appropriate text field. <br />
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What is the method by which we can alter the form so that it works properly? The origin of the "Blast of the Ancestors" power is the [[Vorgal (4e Race)]] page, where a link to the "Blast of the Ancestors" racial power is found under '''Racial Traits'''. (If you click on ''that'' link, which oddly says "1", you come to a page called "Form:Form:4e Power" which ''again'' shows the "Blast of the Ancestors" power box.) I don't know what happened, and until I get your input I don't want to touch it because I don't know the proper method for fixing the system (blank the form? Delete the form and recreate?). I ''suspect'' that the creator of the "vorgal" race somehow accidentally altered the very power creation form itself, instead of creating a new power. <br />
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I'm going to use the workaround for now. <br />
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--[[User:Ofidian|Ofidian]] 02:00, 29 January 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== New Class ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon. I'm creating a new class for my D&d campaign and thought you might want to add it to your site and perhaps help me refine it as well. I call it the Summoner Class. Apparently, you already deleted an entry for it because it wasn't done too well. I can assure you, I put a lot of work into it so far, and will continue to do so till perfected. <br />
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Anyway, this normally wouldn't concern you except that I'm not too good at HTML code and was hoping that you could help make the page for me? I can email you the Word File that I've been working on so far. I have everything I think I need for the first page and I have all the way to level 7 powers (for now).<br />
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== Creative Commons ==<br />
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I was trying to add some content in the D&D Wiki Media and the only CC license there was the Attribution-Share Alike. The content I'm trying to add is under Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative license. Can that be added to the licenses? Thanks in advance. --[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 16:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course. In the license template just add it. For example <nowiki>{{license|Attribution-NonCommercial-No Derivative}}</nowiki>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok, did it. However, when I added the image I forgot to put some characters and the link ended kinda weird. Now, when I try to edit it, the following messenge shows up:<br />
::out of captcha images; this shouldn't happen<br />
::I guess that that shouldn't happen (great insightful conclusion, I know...)--[[User:ElfsMaster|ElfsMaster]] 00:00, 5 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== archanist class ==<br />
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I was looking at your article on the archanist pretige class. I am curious as to why a class who's description refers to magic being deschooled and organized into one group, requires the player to give up nearly half of the available spells he can cast. This seems like a contradiction in the very nature of the prestige class.<br />
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you can contact me at kingdork5ooo@hotmail.com<br />
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== Ganteka RfA ==<br />
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I understand where you were coming from when you deleted my post, and I'd like to take a second to explain to you how I saw what happened: I posted a reminder to keep things courteous, as in the heat of the discussion everyone was beginning to get snippy (as you well know, from the number of warnings you gave out). You edited your post to make it seem less offensive, then deleted mine. My first reaction, I'm sorry to say, was "That jerk, he's deleting my comments and covering his own ass" (forgive my language, I'm being honest here, and this is, as far as I know, private. We're grown up, we have seen these words before). So you can see why I was upset, you made no mention that you were going to delete my post because the discussion was over. However, I have now understood what happened, and that's fine. I'm over it. I don't care that you edited your post so it seems better to you. I don't even care that you closed any and all discussion of the matter early. Whatever, I can live with that too. I don't care that you feel what you wrote was a "suggestion" or a "suggestion-like command", and not a breach of etiquette rules. Just, in the future, when you feel it necessary to delete one of my posts, I'd like to hear about it. That's why talk pages exist. Even if you didn't want to drop me a note on my talk page, you could have written in the summary of the page something to the effect of "Discussion has ended, edit has been deleted". I think as a fellow editor of this wiki, you owe me (and everyone else) that same courtesy. However, like I said, I'm moving on. I'm fine if we don't discuss this matter any further. Ganteka turned in his letter of resignation; I don't fully understand why we even went through this charade. Some semblance of cloture, I suppose. Thanks for your time, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 05:51, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The RfA is not over (when the RfA is it will be) just that discussion part was just so off-topic that it was over (it did not relate to Ganteka's2 RfA at all). Why was your comment after I stated "''This discussion is over from my post out.''" deleted? That is your answer. It was just too off-topic. Is that a breach of civility - recommending him to see a psychiatrist (which you asked to be addressed)? One, the correct place to discuss that is on [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. Two, I don't think so, I was just worried that that user was not thinking clearly (not meaning of less intellect - defiantly intelligent since he or she was able to respond completely). To me it is an honest worry since this user seemed to be contradicting him or herself and not noticing it. Although I could see of some which think that psychiatrists are not helpful to all in all regards (or I do not understand) who find it uncivil. I don't know, Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 10 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::If you were genuinely concerned with someone's mental state, it'd be best to confront them privately about it, not on a random webpage. That's more tactless than uncivil I suppose, though. And if you truly believe that everyone is equal in all ways, there shouldn't be any admins at all. I understand that you want to have people assigned to take care of certain things (making sure pages are formatted, redirecting things, fixing errors and the like), but this is creating distinctions between people on the wiki. Furthermore, things like "Maybe you like begging? Who knows. Irrelevant." and "This site is not "risky" for me, I don't need to step around on tiptoes. I don't care. I own the damn thing." do come off as hostile, even if that isn't your intent. Continuing, "having a blatant bias" sounds like something everyone on this wiki is guilty of. Do you suppose we can get a psychiatrist on a group rate? Continuing on, you are also guilty of that last bit. Take, for example, this quote "I suggest you take a look at Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2. These people only contributed to about 7% of the activity of D&D Wiki. That's not "prime" and "perfection" that's 7%. Please, once again, do research before presenting things." You wrote that on Ganteka's RfA. If you took the time to look back you might come across one of my posts. You were simply denying my math. I know what you want to say. You wanted to say that those 9 people accounted for 7% of the total wiki edits. That is correct. However, that was not the point of the argument. The point was that 10% of the wiki's registered users account for 90% of the wiki's edits. So take those 9 names, add in you and Hooper, and about 390 other top editors and you'll see that their total contributions will total about 90% of the edits. I am not going to make that any clearer, I don't think. That is a prime example of you ignoring facts and "having a blatant bias". And as for your systematic warning policy that "govern[s] all", it doesn't. No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him. "Discussions are not deleted on D&D Wiki." That's another gem of a quote of yours from the Ganteka RfA page of yours. Or how about " Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki? Yes, like 2938 times. No, not once. Yes, in a revision history and in a few edit summaries (User Talk: Eiji#Farmer revisions, and see edit contributions for edit summaries - "damn" was used, although not derogatory). Which are you going to trust?" I suppose you mean you swore on the farmer page. You also swore about the wiki 3 lines down. Does that count as proof? Taking a second to check out the farmer page (A really fun class, if I say so myself) you began the page with "Actually you can't move your things on D&D Wiki their - it's illegal. It's the CC and the GNU FDL v1.2. --Green Dragon 23:17, 11 November 2009 (MST)" and ended the page with "AND FOR THE LAST TIME ANYONE CAN REPUBLISH ANYTHING AS LONG AS IT IS UNDER THE GNU FDL v1.2 I HAVE SAID THAT ABOUT A MILLION TIMES AND SOURCED THE GNU FDL v1.2 IN THOSE PARTS AS WELL SO STOP REPEATING THAT WHICH I NEVER EVEN HINTED AT! --Green Dragon 14:26, 14 November 2009 (MST)". Just another example of contradictory statements that we all hate so much.One final note, check out the votes for RfA of people you stripped of admin rights. None passed. Not a single one. What's the point of having an election if we all already know the outcome? Feel free to say they could have been approved and kept their admin rights, but we both know that was never a possibility. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:19, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Badger, when I read this I was forced to ask: where are you getting your stats that those 7% of users account for 90% of the contributions on the wiki? Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying. I know GD has 50k+ edits, I've got slightly over 10k, and a couple of those that left had 8k or more. But for the most part they only had a couple hundred (if that) edits. I'd really like to understand where you're getting your figures from. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:30, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I'm sorry if I wasn't clear. Those 11 users account for less than 10% of the users(something like .2%, in truth). A collection of the true 10% would be like 400 users. I've not actually found the top 400 contributors to the wiki. However, considering 11 have something along the lines of 30% of the edits, I assumed we could find another 390 that would get an approximation of 90% of the total edits. Not to sound rude, but I've got better things to do than to track down the top 400 contributors of the wiki (I'm sure most of us do). It's certainly possible that I'm wrong, but given the data I did collect, I'm pretty confident that the 90/10 theory applies to this wiki about as well as it applies to most every other wiki. However, feel free to ignore that tangent if you feel it is incorrect. Honestly, I've not done enough research to really defend that point. Like I said, I think it works but you're more than welcome to prove me wrong. I'll accept any data you're willing to provide.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:06, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Proof is needed; a theory does not suffice. Another theory is that the entire world is only that which ''you'' can look around and see, touch, and in other ways influence. The rest does not exist. I don't exist. This wiki does not exist. Nothing exists except when ''you'' will it to. Is that then the case? Maybe, right?<br />
:::::Therefore 90% is not the case - proof is needed. Those edits accounted for under 7% (less now) of the activity. That's under 7%.<br />
:::::Your right about the tactlessness, sorry about that. Could we get a physicist at a group rate? Who knows, right.<br />
:::::"''No one would dare warn you. You are above that law, it would seem. You know darn well that if Surgo had posted a comment telling someone to see a psychiatrist that you would have warned him.''" you could be right, I do not know. It's very hard sometimes to analyze oneself the exact same - one's own biases and ideas make it much more complicated, I find. In any case I did not mean it in any way to make him feel belittled, I said it out of (although tactless) concern.<br />
:::::"''Have I ever sworn on D&D Wiki?''" right, but damn is not a "gross profanity" word and it's not used referring to someone. I think (I could be wrong - let me know if I am please) that damn, in the English language, has a number of uses and word types and therefore it is permitted in some uses and instances.<br />
:::::About [[User Talk:Eiji#Farmer]] those are ''different'' licenses. That is not contradictory in the least.<br />
:::::''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''. Admins are granted those abilities by users by way of a nomination but that does not mean they should be treated the same.<br />
:::::And the systematic [[Warning Policy|warning policy]] ''should'' govern all. Am I above it? No... Do I want to be? Irrelevant. All conspicuous areas should be posted to [[Talk:Warning Policy]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:31, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"Users are equal does not mean that users should be treated the same" What does that mean? They are equal, but should be treated differently? How are they equal then? If you're treating something differently, it's not equal! --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:38, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::"''Users are equal'' does not mean that ''users should be treated the same''" means a few things. One is that if one commits an act against a policy, policies being systematic in nature (e.g. the [[Warning Policy]], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_policy], etc etc, one just has to look at bit) they are not necessarily treated the same. For example one cannot vote on nominations. One cannot edit the wiki, etc.<br />
:::::::Or, since admins are elected by users they are not "''treated the same''" although they are still users they can now also delete things, do things users cannot, etc, and as such held in different a different light. Do you understand what I mean kinda? I can explain more if you want. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:48, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think I'm done with this discussion. It's clearly going nowhere, and it doesn't even seem you're taking it seriously. You're making less and less sense, and I fear it's only a matter of time before one of us tries to ban the other (and I already know how that would turn out). So I'm going to leave you with this tip: Fix the description of the Warning Policy page. "When one does not edit with civility and etiquette one becomes a warning for each time" --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I do not understand. What do you mean exactly? The wording seems fine to me and all this is implied. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::As far as the wording, GD...It should be "when one does not edit with civility and etiquette one '''gets''' a warning for each time," they don't become a warning. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 12:24, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::: He also swore [[User talk:Surgo#Wikia]], which, I'm assured, is much worse than the word 'damn', according to certain civil servants. Just thought I'd chime in for you guys. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 15:21, 11 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== GNU FDL ==<br />
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After watching the discussions over the past few months I have done extensive research into the GNU FDL. Any page without an updated author box is in void of the licence and no-longer licensed under the GNU FDL according to section 4B:<br />
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4. MODIFICATIONS<br />
You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document under<br />
the conditions of sections 2 and 3 above, provided that you release<br />
the Modified Version under precisely this License, with the Modified<br />
Version filling the role of the Document, thus licensing distribution<br />
and modification of the Modified Version to whoever possesses a copy<br />
of it. In addition, you must do these things in the Modified Version:<br />
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B. List on the '''Title''' Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities<br />
responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified<br />
Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the<br />
Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five),<br />
unless they release you from this requirement.<br />
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Before you say it is able to be in the history page:<br />
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For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means<br />
the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title,<br />
preceding the beginning of the body of the text.<br />
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And termination note:<br />
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9. TERMINATION<br />
You may not copy, modify, sublicense, or distribute the Document except<br />
as expressly provided for under this License. Any other attempt to<br />
copy, modify, sublicense or distribute the Document is void, and will<br />
automatically terminate your rights under this License. However,<br />
parties who have received copies, or rights, from you under this<br />
License will not have their licenses terminated so long as such<br />
parties remain in full compliance.<br />
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In conclusion: Any authors will have to post their own authorship at the top of the page labeling the top 5 contributers (with each of their permission, as you are re-applying a licence) and also their name as publisher of the page. This means that any pages that do not currently meet these requirements (or any of the other requirements) can be removed by the author, as the licence requires permission from the copyright holder (the initial creator). If this licence is "re-applied" without the copyright holder's permission it is in breach of copyright laws and legal action may be taken. <br />
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I hope you understand fully and notify users correctly. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 13:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The bad thing about the license is it has never been upheld in a court of law, so really, no matter how much people may disagree, '''it really doesn't matter'''. Find a lawyer and sue, or shut up about it. If you win, then you'll be making a precedence that other sites can follow. <br />
:Finally, go over to wikipedia - the largest website in existence using the license. Do you see any author spots on the pages? '''NO'''. Now, does that mean all of wikipedia and the lawyers they hired to look into the subject are wrong and you few are oh-so-smarter? '''No again'''. It means that it has been deemed that in a wiki format, as long as each edit is cataloged in the history, then attribution has been made. If you guys think we're doing it wrong, then you must also by the same logic think that Wikipedia is doing it wrong. Please, go tell them, I'd love to see the responses you get for a such a brazen statement. <br />
:The following is a great quote to keep in mind: ''"...are (1) the five principal author listing (all the authors must be listed in 1.1; this is clearly not problem with Wikipedia as the history pages list all the authors of a particular GFDL work) and..."''. Additionally, ''"...The GFDL requires that the names of authors are preserved, and we keep a full record of exactly who wrote what in the history of each article...."''. It have even been said ''"...Editors are collaborators, not authors, and therefore have no rights (except for the right granted to them to reuse their contributions elsewhere). The rights are held by the individual projects, as publishers, and the foundation can act on their behalf....". Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that last one would also need to be upheld in court before we could say it is 100% true. <br />
:The best quote to keep in mind is a simple one: ''"..The "authors" are explicitly mentioned in the history log of every article. :I think you need to show evidence of why the history log is invalid as a record of authorship...."''. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Wikipedia ''did'' use the GNU FDL. They changed recently. If, theoretically, you are right what do you say about "''List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version''"? Therefore, why are my edits not displayed alongside (for example)? This conundrum in your logic (which makes it not work) has been discussed at length on [[Talk:Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)#Author Template]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Under the license the fact that you edited must be shown, as you are an author. Also, you cannot compare wikipedia to this wiki, wikipedia is sourcing facts while this wiki are users creations. Also in that case wikipedia is the entity itself that holds the copyright for the information on the site, not the individual editors. Plus, the fact that they removed the GFDL is a sign that they came to a problem and had to remove it. Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page. Also Hooper, if the licence "doesn't matter" and has never been upheld in a court of law does that mean we shouldn't follow it? We shouldn't give users their rights? --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 00:42, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::No, I think Wikipedia just wanted to use a newer license. I could be wrong though. And you are incorrect. Wikipedia licenses everything therefore the same things do (well, did) apply.<br />
::::"''Also, under the GNU FDL you cannot prevent someone from reverting your edits and history is not on the title page, it is a separate page.''" No. Anyone can revert anyones edits. That's silly to say. It's all part of the modified version. And, as I was saying, I think the "Title Page" is actually the line with the tabs on it (fulfills all the requirements) or maybe all the surrounding MW information. Why? The publisher, D&D Wiki, does need to be specific somewhere as well (maybe that is the logo - since it does not direct to an image). For example "''For works in formats which do not have any title page as such, "Title Page" means the text near the most prominent appearance of the work's title, preceding the beginning of the body of the text.''"<br />
::::Let me know if this answers your copyright questions.<br />
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D. Preserve all the copyright notices of the Document.<br />
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E. Add an appropriate copyright notice for your modifications adjacent to the other copyright notices.<br />
|orig=[[GNU Free Documentation License 1.2]]<br />
}}<br />
::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yes, we can compare this wiki to wikipedia and we are. If you are saying we are doing it wrong, then you are also claiming that wikipedia was doing it wrong during their time using this license. I suggest you seek legal counsel if you truly feel that way. We have the GNU FDL for many reasons, and I will not devolve into a straw man argument. If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever. Simple as that. In the meantime, either call your bluff of legal action or drop the issue. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::"If you do not agree, then do not hit submit - ever." So how am I supposed to take away the "hitting submit" that I have already done, how is anyone that thought there was going to be the author template meant to? "Anyone can revert anyones edits." So why can users not have the author template if they chose? And why would you refuse to change [[Detect Disease (3.5e Spell)]] back to the way Daniel Draco requested? Also, "Actually I think Template:Author is forbidden under this license." That's silly to say. It would be part of the document, having no effect on the licence itself. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:49, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Because that template is being removed... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Sabre, why don't we agree to disagree on how the license is properly applied in a wiki format. You go get a lawyer to prove your point, and that would sway my thoughts. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 02:45, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Ignoring fulfilling the licence (lets assume that history does cover it) is there any reason why people can't say "I made this"? Most articles on this wiki aren't a collaborative effort. Also, I don't need to get a lawyer, I don't care about your liabilities though I thought I would warn you seeing I was doing the research anyway (this wiki seemed as good as any for a practical example). --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 02:53, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::When you first brought the subject back up it just came across as if you were threatening to seek legal action. That is why I said that. I know sometimes with type it is hard to come across appropriately, so I am sorry if I misunderstood. The simple fact is, if wikipedia did it - we can do it. And yes it is a valid example. Wikipedia's contributors are writing in their own words using a system or information already available. Our contributors are creating content using a system and rules already available. If wikipedia says that history is fine, then history is fine. The mere fact that the largest supporter of GNU FDL in a wiki format does that would be a huge point in any legal defense of the action ''(I don't remember the legal term they have for that, but basically it is when something is unsure at first but then through practice becomes reality)''.<br />
::::::::::All that being said, I never cared for the author template. It's best feature to me was actually the "status" field where you can let a user know if something is still being figured out. I made a quick Article Status template and have used it instead for a bit. That is really all the information the average surfer needs. If someone wants to know who is the author, they can simply go to the history or any messages on the talk page about the article. It doesn't hurt anyone, and helps the average surfer have the content right up front. I really don't understand all the fuss. If someone ever added something to this wiki thinking that it would either be published and they could revert to sole ownership or that it would never change and be altered ''(which requires ignoring the warning every edit)'' then that was foolish.<br />
::::::::::Additionally, I know that you said you have researched it. So have I, and I believe TK back before he was banned. What I discovered since was simple. Since it hasn't been brought to legal court, you can basically research it and take with it what you want. If you want it to come across a certain way, you read it that way. In short: it's vague. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:05, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::I prefer that someone may take ownership, as the primary creator then people may go onto the history page to see who has contributed. On an open contribution site there should still be a way for the user to keep their own work as it is, even if it is under the GNU FDL. It can still be copied and edited on another website (with the history) though on this website would be their final creation. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:13, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You may indeed prefer that, but that goes against the very nature of a '''collaborative''' site. Short of vandalism or spam, and that means that you wish to retroactively not have to accept the warning that has been in place for every edit since the site began, which reads: ''If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here''. This isn't a personal database for any of us to "dump" or "store" our ideas. It is a collaborative and dynamic site. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:18, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I understand that, though each creation needs a form of leadership. Collaboration is only good if you have a goal, in creativity each persons goals may be different and you will get members editing the pages to their liking. A author box provides the creator (presumably the primary contributor) to lead the project, taking in others ideas (as it has previously done through giving ideas on talk pages. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 03:27, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::See, now I like what you're saying. Let me say that in our case, an Author template could theoretically never be correct. Yes, it may just be by happenchance that a user puts up an article and other than formatting or spelling no one else changes it. But for some of the big articles, we may have 50 users and IP and at least one chuck norris vandal over years of it being online and at that point the author template would either be huge and obstructive or it wouldn't be able to give everyone due - invalidating it. I made a quick Article Status template that I personally like because it allows someone to say where they are in their own process on an article and gives other users an idea to work with. Because we are different in our content in that degree than say, my above example of wikipedia, I do believe that we could utilize some sort of Article Status/Goal template. This would allow people to assist each other and improve articles, without getting into the author debate. But maybe that is another talk for another day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Am I misunderstanding what is happening here? Hooper and Green Dragon seem to be arguing against having an Author template on a page. I don't see any problem with Author Templates. I think DnD Wiki is collaborative on the whole, meaning while each page has a unique author (or team of authors), the entire site's content is free for all and collaboratively edited. If I write a class (and I have), I want it to be my own. While I'm not going to pretend to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo, I would expect to be the next to last word on all edits (final word being an admin can choose to delete it if it is offensive or something and doesn't comply with policy, but that's it). If I've written a class I want my name on it; partly for credit, partly as a way for people to contact me, and partly because it makes me proud. We're going to take my name off my page because some random IP thinks I should get Power Attack as a bonus feat at level 2, and suddenly he becomes the author? No, that's just foolish.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 07:50, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not Exactly Badger. This discussion mostly is about the legal mumbo jumbo. The GNU FDL is vague in regards to it's implementations of author and title in a wiki format. Reading it one way, the Author Template would never ever be enough to give all the proper credit. Reading it the other way ''(the way wikipedia does)'', the Author Template is invalid and should be removed but history can never be deleted. <br />
:::::As far as "final word", we all have to keep in mind that there has always been a warning (which I quoted above) that once we submit content, it can be edited mercilessly. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Am I violating copyright? ==<br />
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Hello, GreenDragon, and thank you for your time. I am currently working on a page (Drevanius campaign setting) and I am wondering if including statistics of creatures (nothing else) from another DND source is violating copyright. The section is Creatures of Drevanius.<br />
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:What is the source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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You seem like a Very Knowledgable person, im currently working on designing an Epic level 3.5 Campaign, ive been designing NPCs Main chars and what not, and one of the main chars ive built diesnt have a name, as ironic as it is, it is a 15th Age Cat. Advanced Paragon White Great Wyrm of Legends, Leader of the Dragon council, and by far the strongest dragon among them, he is very unique and i just dont know what to call him, if you have the chance i would really appriciate it if you could shoot come good names at me, im just drawing a blank<br />
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Thanks - [[User:Envoyof aGod|Envoyof_aGod]] 19:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Something interesting...==<br />
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I noticed that your RfA was mysteriously and unexplainably deleted, Greeny. I was just curious what that meant for your re-nomination of adminship. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 03:48, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Read the subscript on [[RfA]] and this post will be removed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:09, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You mean the part where you belatedly added that you and Blue were exceptions to the RfA policy? Why yes, I did happen to read that. And the part where you said (and then removed) that if you were voted against, you'd demote yourself. Why taunt people with stuff you'll never do? --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I changed my mind, and the policy as such, relating to adminship about [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]'s and my admin status. It wasn't a "taunt". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:35, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::'Changing your mind' about something while a process is already being implemented (especially in regards to yourself when you're about to 'lose' because of the policy) is just low. Why the change of heart anyways? If you think you might 'change your mind' anyways, why bother having policies in the first place? Just 'change your mind' about anything you don't like, even if other people like it. Sure, sounds fair, reasonable and perfectly acceptable. Right. --[[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 04:42, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not really fair huh. Oh well. D&D Wiki ''is'' also a physical thing (takes bytes, bandwidth, etc). Those physical aspects make it so the people relating to hosting and upkeep are not going to lose adminship (or bureaucratship; transparent in the case of [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:49, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Incidentally since it was mentioned, , whatever happened to Blue Dragon? He vanished from everywhere a few months before the big smash-up, and I've not seen hide nor hair of him since. Would be great to get in contact with him again (contacting him on the Wiki has been all but impossible, so, I suppose I'd need some alternate method.). -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 04:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::He's been around. He came around me during the winter holidays. He actually was the one who updated MW and the extensions, although he is not done. You want to contact him? I'll tell him to add back the "hosted by" part and when he does you can click it and contact him. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:05, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Well hosting has been changed. But he checks his user talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:31, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Resignation ==<br />
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This is a notice to say that I will not be coming back to this wiki again. The issues you obviously have with control has caused me to lose faith in you and lose interest in the wiki. You have changed so much since I became admin, in more than one way. I would also like to point out that even though you own the physical server doesn't mean you have to be an admin here, you are only the host. Your attitude towards policies (and your need for power) were proven in you deleting your nomination for admin, when it was first posted you had began to fill it out and comply with the existing policy, then when the votes turned against you the policy was changed and the page deleted. You should go back and think about your actions, think about them from another point of view and see why those members left. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 10:31, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I will RfA you in a bit (with resignation as the reason or somesuch). I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship. Do you really not see how that is petty? One: This is not a democracy, although it has democratic influences. I don't care about all the democratic ways which things can be. It's not fair. Fairness, to me, is more important. On a different note they would no longer even edit, they may have just found it humorous to remove adminship from one who banned them for wrong actions. Look at it like this: Some people go to prison for committing crimes, they serve their time, they get out. After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor. Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care. This is not going to be like that. Do you understand where I am coming from? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:33, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you say "Fairness, to me, is more important" do you mean "In my opinion, fairness is more important" or "It's more important for everyone to be fair to me, Green Dragon"? <br />
::''EDIT'': He means the first one.<br />
::Let me try and work through your analogy now: <br />
::*Some people go to prison for committing crimes<br />
::**Sabre070 <s>violated policy and was banned</s> was banned permanently <s>because of an inappropriate username</s> <s>without reason</s> with the implied reason that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] was banned, without reason (see his edits during the time), and was worried something was going on.<br />
::**<s>Later others disregard policies and get banned as a result (spamming the FA, unwarranted deletion, etc etc).</s> While true, it's irrelevant. We're talking about Sabre070 right now. If he did that we can include that in his "crimes". Otherwise, let's try to focus on the important issues.<br />
::*They serve their time, they get out.<br />
::**Then Sabre070's ban <s>expired</s> was undone 2 days later and he was allowed back into our open hearts once again, born anew, like a mighty Phoenix<br />
::*After they are out they go to the town hall and try to impeach the mayor.<br />
::**Sabre070 doesn't like how you lead, and tried to change that, by removing you from office (with an RfA).<br />
::*Although in democracy that ''does'' work, I don't care.<br />
::** I don't care about what you think is fair, my word is <s>unimpeachable law</s> open to discussion, as long as we use logic. I, as Green Dragon, will delete that RfA, make new laws prohibiting future RfAs, and <s>pretend nothing happened</s> those are the results of the happenece. The deleted RfA's date and the revision history of [[RfA]] can be seen as evidence. This is my wiki, I own the damned thing.<br />
::--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC), with Green Dragon contributing.<br />
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:::I don't think [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] was banned though (save the small time right after I was banned). See also [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ASabre070].<br />
:::Only the first way works, and not fully at that. I mean that fairness, as the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights is an important concept for me and how this site it run.<br />
:::"''my word is unimpeachable law''" - no. Things are discussed. Logic is used. I do not always get my way. It's just the idea relating to ownership and hosting with regards to inherent userrights. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:21, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Allow me to amend my previous comment to reflect this new information. Until you reveal the true reason he was banned I'm leaving it as "without reason" because we both know there is nothing wrong with the username he'd been editing as since March of 2008.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:41, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I amended it as well, if you do not mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Oh, '''''"...I, as [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] (with bureaucratship), are not going to host something for people who got banned, and get annoyed as result, and then came back with just the intent to remove the person who banned them, based off their wrong actions, from adminship...."'''''. Best cliffnotes ever. <br />
::::::Related note: Should it be required that a person RfAing and the person being RfA's be '''X''' amount active on the wiki? I.e. so many edits, meeting a certain edit-per-month count, etc. etc.? I've always thought so. I also don't believe that votes from new or IPs should be counted in RfAs (Wikipedia doesn't count them - arguing that they may very well be single-purpose accounts). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 22:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I don't mind at all, facts are important! I think we are approaching the best approximation of the actual events. Can you fact check as to whether or not Sabre070 was involved in the goings on? I don't recall if he was, but he was unblocked 2 days later, so I assume he wasn't involved. <br />
:::::::Hooper, to address your question I always thought IPs were allowed to comment and such, but you had to be a registered user to actually vote (newly made voters subject inspection for meat puppetry).--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:14, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::That is a great question [[User:Hooper|Hooper]]. It needs to be discussed on [[Talk:Requests for Adminship]] though; this is not the place.<br />
::::::::Was [[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] involved? Who knows. If you look at [[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2]] you can see a list of this so-called "RC Committee" - but not everyone on their was banned. E.g. [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]]. People were banned for doing actions against policy and/or violating their positions of authority. Bans are not given out for any other reason. The policy comes from Wikipedia. This committee was never implemented since it was illogical compared to alternatives, which are now in place. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:19, 16 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::The so called "RC Committee"? If you had've looked I am not mentioned on that page once. Also, the reason for my blocking was that Aarnott had blocked Green Dragon for 3 days for "Intimidating behaviour/harassment: You are acting out of line right now. Perhaps you should clear your head and come back to this later... Otherwise, this site will lose a lot of its users." and he explains other reasons on his RfA. If I am looking at the block list correctly, you are saying that you are free to intimidate and harass anyone, though others aren't? Also, I like how you always say "we use logic here" (Green Dragon Logic) and also say that it is a wiki and not a dictatorship, yet also say that it is your wiki and you cannot get banned, un-nominated, or treated like any other user. <br />
:::::::::Also, I was not involved, the only edits I have done can be seen here: [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special:Contributions&contribs=user&target=Sabre070&namespace=&year=2009&month=8 Contributions]. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:53, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::I don't know where you guys all grew up or worked, but the person footing the bills makes the rules. You are free to disagree, but in the end it comes down to the owner makes the calls. It is obvious from months of the transientwiki crowd and it's fallout's attempts that you will get nowhere, so just save yourself the trouble and leave. The owner has the final say, whether we agree with it or not. To think otherwise is insane. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Ya, you can trust [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] fully, or you can look at my edit contributions during those days. Normal. A policy, which was not agreed upon, was implemented. As such it was removed. Next?<br />
:::::::::::The rest of what you said is not true. Well, I guess that means all of it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:09, 17 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hi Green Dragon ==<br />
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It appears that a recent edit of the 3.5e Open Game Content page appears to be taken whole or in part from my site (http://grandwiki.wikidot.com/publication-list).<br />
The reason I suspect this is because <br />
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Steve Russell Presents…<br />
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appears on your page. Steve Russell owns Rite Publishing and personally sent me that material to upload on the Grand OGL Wiki. So I think one of your users may have <br />
copy/paste that material.<br />
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If the DnDWiki intends to replicate the Open Game Content from my site on this site can you make sure that the section 15 for that material appears in your sites open game license.<br />
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If you wish to contact me about this matter feel free to email me at gedakm@gmail.com. I can put you in contact with Steve Russell if you like as well.<br />
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- Mark Gedak<br />
DM Sketchpad/Grand OGL Wiki<br />
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:On closer inspection of the similarities of our page, [[3.5e_Open_Game_Content]], and theirs, linked above - it seems like we have most of the bigger names where they go a bit more in depth, and that the random Steve Russell Presents is the only shared link that shows a common history of edit. However, I am really confused as to the request to alter our Section 15 of the OGL. In that same sense, we could argue that the entire website Grand OGL Wiki should change theirs as we existed before them. I just don't understand the real problem here. An OGC game is listed on an OGC page, and that is absolutely fine imho. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 01:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::See also [[Talk:Open Game License v1.0a#Attribution in Copyright Notice]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== My Campaign Settings ==<br />
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I know that I havent made a great edit in quite a long while, but, I feel that my campaigns should be left up for people to edit. My addition, the Fallout setting has come under an attack of sorts and I feel that more can be done with it, just because one user starts something doesnt mean others can help pitch in, I have helped edit a few pages, even added some weapons. So please, if possible, help me keep my Fallout setting from getting deleted, I put a lot of time into adding the building blocks for it. The Mighty Boosh.<br />
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PS - I forgot how to add my name at the bottom, the one with the time posted and all, sincere apologies.<br />
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:Wow it's not an attack, I just added at delete tag to start a discussion. There's no content and the two or three pages that are there are not very good. If you're going to fix it then that's fine, but there's no real way for anyone else to add it since only you know what's in your head. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:05, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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The only thing that I need to have done is basic stats for weapons, vehicles, creatures, etc. I will, slowly but surely, put up descriptions of weapons, creatures and vehicles. And I will also do my best to come up with detailed backgrounds of environments and adventures, all I need is some help coming up with stats then the Fallout setting should get rolling along. [[User:The Mighty Boosh|The Mighty Boosh]] 04:26, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== SEARCHING ==<br />
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When I am trying to search by keywords, sometimes the search engine is not coming back with any results.<br />
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For example I am searching for HAWK for 3.5. There are no search results.<br />
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== Error while searching. ==<br />
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Hello all,<br />
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Congrats on the great job on the D&D wiki.<br />
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I was searching with keyword: ''Samurai'' and ''samurai'' and the result I got was:<br />
''Query failed: connection to localhost:3312 failed (errno=111, msg=Connection refused). ''<br />
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I know there were pages resulting from this same search since I have been browsing them the past week.<br />
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Hope it helps.<br />
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Dervell.<br />
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:I had problems with this yesterday as well. But then it mysteriously started working again so I figured you were working on the problem while I was online. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Move Errors ==<br />
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Hey Green. It appears that since the server issue some of us are experiencing problems when we try to move pages. It doesn't happen every single time, but seems to be at least 3/4ths. The page will stay in a loading status for quite some time and then it'll pop up a database error. Just FYI. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:23, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:So you don't have to, this is a quote of the error I'm getting: ''"A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:<br />
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(SQL query hidden)<br />
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from within function "Title::deleteTitleProtection". MySQL returned error "2006: MySQL server has gone away (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".''" &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:57, 22 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] said he has time to look at it tomorrow so that should be the case. Same with the sword, delete. Do you know of more things? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:03, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Not so far. Jazz above mentions some search problem but I haven't been able to duplicate that. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 03:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's hit or miss. I tried it just now and got the error again. Along with the error message, the "search in namespaces" list is misformatted. But then other times it will just work, so it seems to be an intermittent problem. The only other thing I noticed was yesterday every now and then after editing a page it would give me an error that made it look like my edit wasn't saved, but when I went back to check, it was saved. Again, it's nothing repeatable, it just happens off and on. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
:::I seemed to have found a pattern to the searching error: If you type in an exact page name (SRD:Fighter) into the search box then hit "go" (or hit enter), it works fine. If you type in a page name that doesn't exist ("test") you get the error. Also, if you type in a name that does exist but hit "search" instead of "go", you also get the error, so I'm guessing that something went wrong with the search function itself, and not the search box. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hopefully this weekend all the problems should be dealt with. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Featured Article ==<br />
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GD, I would like to recommend an article of mine for a featured article. [[Black Lion (4e Optimized Character Build)]]. I created an entire 4e Class, all of its Class Powers, an entire 4e Paragon Path, and built this Optimized Build just for it. Not only does it include all the prerequisites of a good article, it includes User-generated Tables by Tier, Class Summaries every 10 levels, explanations of unique items and their strategies for use, and an expanded information section which expounds upon the Classes Role in general. I even included a designers guidelines for enemy and character progression by level and a Compare/Contrast section with this builds biggest competing build. Everything you need all in one spot. Tell me what you think? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 09:26, 24 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I am curious as to what you say to the following. When ones makes their own content and then makes a Optimized Character Build from that content it normally is not an "optimization" but rather a "specific 'hole-in-the-game' optimization" specifically created by themselves to optimize an already exploited idea. E.g. natural weapons and natural fighting in this case.<br />
:Of course this may not be the case, I have not throughly looked. I'm just asking for your opinion. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:36, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I noticed you used the words "Hole" and "Exploited". Words that rhyme with "Loop-hole", "Broken", and "Cheating". If that is what you mean, then no. This is not that kind of optimization.<br />
::This is a what some people refer to as a "Build". A specific construction of levels, items, and powers that accomplishes a pre-defined purpose. That purpose being: "Maximizing Damage-per-Round during Combat". This also fulfills the Striker Role within 4th Edition as well. See.., the Black Lion Class is currently a working Striker Class within 4e, and this optimization is a fulfillment of it's ultimate potential. However, the Black Lion Class was not created with this specific optimization in mind. The class came ''before'' the optimization and not the other way around.<br />
::I hope that helps. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 07:14, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Feel free to nominate for FA status, of course. Anyone can nominate any article for FA status. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Another post-server fail error ==<br />
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Looks like over on the Media Repository, any time I try to see anyones (even my own) contributions there it pulls up an error. Minor, but just fyi. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 05:00, 25 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems to be working for me now in any case. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Media Fail ==<br />
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Everytime I try to log in to upload a pic, I get this.<br />
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<pre>A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was: <br />
(SQL query hidden)<br />
from within function "User::idFromName". MySQL returned error "1142: SELECT command denied to user 'db89449'@'205.186.184.15' for table 'wdd_user' (internal-db.s89449.gridserver.com)".</pre><br />
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--[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 18:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Uploading is working now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:37, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Formatting Help ==<br />
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i would like to know how to reformat my submitted setting. i am pretty new to this whole thing...<br />
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P.S.~ sorry about completely over-riding your touch-ups, i meant to only make minor corrections, but you see i was in th emiddle of adding a lot of information on the playable races at the time, and i was getting very frustrated at the fact that every time i had an editing conlict, i had to pretty much write everything again. leastways the equivalent amount of work on it, what with taking out the dashes and spaces, and putting in the HTML... {{Unsigned|ChieftainTwilight|15:06, 28 February 2010 (MST)}}<br />
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:First if you press the back button it will retrieve the information you had been typing. Just Copy+Paste into the new version (with some minor editing if needed) and continue posting. Edit conflicts are not really a problem as such except for minor formatting or minor changes which deal with the other user's changes. What do I think of [[Mysteries of Andor (3.5e Campaign Setting)|Mysteries of Andor]]? I find that nothing is really fluffed out. I recommend that you make the deities and then link to them from that page. Although you say many names, what I mean is, what are they? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Mediawiki is unavailable? ==<br />
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I'm sure you've already been alerted, but just in case, the Mediawiki pictures are not showing up, and Mediawiki comes up saying there is an "Exception caught in Exception Handler". It's not working at all. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 05:41, 1 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Captcha ==<br />
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Would it be possible to have only IP and non-autoconfirmed users have to fill out the captcha when inserting external links? There are a butt-ton of d20 Modern stubs, but since the "edit this page" is treated as an external link, I have to fill out a captcha for every stub template. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:24, 6 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More post-crash problems ==<br />
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I'm sure you're aware, but I'm just letting you know of some other problems I'm finding since the server crash. First of all, the site is sllllloooooooowww. Sometimes it will be zippy, sometimes you will wait 10 seconds and get a "something went wrong" message, but other times, like right now, it will take literally minutes (sometimes up to 5) to open up a page. Which is just an eternity when you are trying to add a class.<br />
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Secondly, no pictures from mediawiki are being loaded correctly. They all just give the name of the image with a link, instead of actually showing the image.<br />
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Keep up the good work! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know. I have been told that the current MW install has many problems with it and lead to slowing down the site sometimes. Media will be dealt with. Another thing too, to make this even better (time wise), is that I just heard that MW has serious security flaws and needs to be upgraded. Maybe upgrading will fix many of the problems which are slowing it down sometimes too. And then if it keeps being slow sometimes then I will think of something else. Hopefully wednesday things will get better (this weekend did not happpen). Sometime though, I can promise. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ah, that sucks. At least you've got a culprit and a likely fix, though. The worst thing about misbehaving technology is when you don't know what's going wrong. Maybe having a slow wiki will give me time to catch up on some of the things I'm ignoring while I'm spending too much time here ''':)''' [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's not what I said, but sure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:17, 9 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== problems ==<br />
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the site takes forever to load. and i cant search.<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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I think I might know why the spam problem has exploded lately: the Captcha doesn't seem to be working. When you add external links there's no captcha prompt at all. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:38, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:That's because, as was said above, ReCaptcha's were showing up for stub, etc templates for users and external links for users. With MW one cannot just say "IP's have them" anymore, it is now for edit types or somesuch for all but users but those in the admin group. In any case they have been removed as such. Maybe if it continues to be a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Gotcha. It's too bad they don't have more useful options. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:24, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Number of Admins ==<br />
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I can't help but notice the large drop in admins, as of late, for whatever reasons be it. And though I hardly have any standing, nor say in the matter, I suggest some sort of action should be taken to renew the community on this wiki, before its community dies down too much to have any hope of revival. And still, I have little idea as to how to do so, I've seen many great communities fall and shrivel. So I'm convinced that unless someone gets out there and attracts some people into the community, not just general traffic into the site, the community will break down, maintenence and upkeep will fall, and I fear this great wiki could fall into a bad state.<br />
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Well, just my thoughts, I thought you should know. I could be terribly wrong and there's a constant amount of community and I'm totally paranoid and pessimistic. But this is how I see it, seeing the constant destruction of admins with no new ones does worry me. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 21:19, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What are admins? Do they help? Although I have done no research into the subject I almost feel that ones editing decreases once attaining adminship. Do we need more admins? Yes. Of the top of my head I can maybe think of two or more people who need to be RfA'ed. Know someone? Ask them and then, depending on the result, RfA them please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:20, 15 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Makes sense. I don't know anyone, but your point is very much valid. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 06:13, 16 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Errata ==<br />
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Hey Peter Gabert,<br />
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I just had a discussion on the WotC board about all the absence of errata for a lot of the previous editions books. For most of these unofficial errata were collected by players.<br />
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My thoughts were that a wiki would be a good place to maintain such unofficial errata, given the transient nature of the WotC boards (most of the older errata threads have been purged). Your DnD wiki seems the most natural place to start such an endeavour.<br />
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Is this something you would be willing to accommodate, as I'm not sure it fits entirely with your current content?<br />
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I don't think I've ever contributed to your wiki, but I'm a regular at several other wiki's and would try to gather as many unofficial errata as possible if you'd give a green light to such an undertaking.<br />
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I will try to check back at this page for an answer every now and then, other options like e-mail, I can post if you want to.<br />
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Cheers.<br />
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Adriaan Renting.<br />
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:Yes, it would work. Is errata for OGC OGC? I would imagine so. In any case, a good place to start, (especially if it is unofficial errata) is to just make the page and link to it from the publication. Start by taking a look at [[Publication List]] and finding the book (or adding it if it is not added) and then placing a link on the page. For example [[Exemplars of Evil/Unofficial Errata]]. Does that make sense? Do you think that would work? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:29, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Title ==<br />
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Heh, sorry about that. For some reason I'm very set in the habit of not creating titles for the first post on a talk page. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It's the correct way to do it. No worries, of course, though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MediaWiki Problems ==<br />
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Hey, I didn't see any 'Contact us' options, and I noticed that you were the owner, so I decided to stop by and ask a quick question ''':)'''. Recently this site has been experiencing more and more problems (i.e. not being able to load properly or going down for short periods of time). I just thought I would point this out and wonder if anything could be done?<br />
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Oh, and I just want to add, I love this site! Be proud! Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:First we need to clean up this site. For example, at this moment, [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] spells is not able to load. Why is this? The code is not properly done (SMW and so), I think. In any case it returns a database error and eats up a lot of the server. Once all the code problems have been ironed out then we can see if this is still a problem.<br />
:This should happen slowly. Soon D&D Wiki's MW will be upgraded (the current version has a few security problems) and that should make a difference. Then other areas need to be worked on. I hope this helps answer your question, and I look forward to seeing some of your content. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:39, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Well D&D Wiki has been upgraded to MW 1.15.2. Pages like [[3.5e Sorcerer/Wizard Spells]] work now. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Things are improving. Only a few problems, for example forms and images, are problems now. They should be fixed soon though. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== MoI (of sorts) ==<br />
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Hi GD, I've got a couple of things to tell you about:<br />
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#First of all, I've finished adding PL categories to all the d20 Modern homebrew equipment, so Phase 1 is complete!<br />
#<span class="plainlinks">[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Jazzman831/workspace&oldid=461878 Here]</span> is my current progress on Phase 2. Let me know what you think before I continue creating the rest of the pages.<br />
#Three items ([[Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|Flashbang]], [[Phosphorus Grenade (D20 Modern Equipment)|Phosphorus Grenade]] and [[Smoke Bomb (D20 Modern Equipment)|Smoke Bomb]]) are created for D&D 4e, not d20 Modern, so I don't know what to do with them. See my opinion on the matter [[Talk:Flashbang (D20 Modern Equipment)|here]].<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Grenades (D20 Modern Equipment)]]<br />
#MoI: [[Talk:Halo (D20 Modern Campaign Setting)#Rating_2]]<br />
#What do you think of [[User:Jazzman831/preloads#Ranged Weapon Preload|this]] preload/template as a way to standardize ranged weapons? It's the format used in Weapons Locker, and the most useful format I've seen.<br />
#MoI: [[Category talk:Rifle]] (Note also that [[:Category:Longarm]] actually exists; possibly my next project should be standardizing the categorization of the Modern side of things? Where should such discussion take place?)<br />
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Sorry about the long list, but I think that should get us caught up to date. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:30, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I copy-pasted your prototype page for [[D20 Modern Equipment]] onto that page. I changed a few things. Do you think the changes make sense? I modernized the subpages. Once all the subpages are created (so called Phase 2) then [[D20 Modern Equipment]] can be cleaned up. I will deal with the rest of your comment above soon... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:17, 1 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The changes make sense, though in a perfect world the last two categories (not categorized by age or type) should always be empty, correct? Perhaps this is a good way to make sure that everything gets labeled. For the "all" category (I thought about something similar myself), do you want to create a separate page with every PL X item, or just link to the PL X category, which is effectively the same thing? While we're on the subject of the "all" category, I notice some of the totals (PL 2 and 5) don't add up right. I'll try to figure out what's happened; probably something isn't categorized correctly.<br />
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::The only things I really don't like are adding "equipment" to all the pages, because it gets wordy, and removing the PL number from each line of the table. The former isn't really a huge deal, since users probably won't ever type that anyway, but the second is bigger. All of the books (as well as the MSRD) refer to PL primarily by number, not by name, so I think it's better to have the number actually there instead of counting up or down.<br />
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::I hope to get to adding the subpages sometime soon. It'll be a function of how much my carpal tunnel is flaring up and how bored I get... [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:37, 2 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Alright, subpages are finished, though as I said before, I'm not sure what to do with some of the pages.<br />
:::Have any comments on the rest of my points yet?<br />
:::Also, I think a database has crashed. Every time I try to move a page or use the search I get the following error: <code>145: Table './ddwikidb/wdd_searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)</code> [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:08, 6 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That database problem is no longer a problem.<br />
::::[[D20 Modern Equipment]] looks good. I only wonder about maybe making the all page split by way of the improving, reviewing, or removing templates. I guess we should discuss that there though.<br />
::::I still have not made up my mind about what should happen to the edition-specific items which were moved to another edition. The others things I responded to, and see below.<br />
::::With regard to the preloads please feel free to add them, something is better is nothing. They can always be improved throughout time of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:28, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Cool. I've actually been creating preloads as I see they've been missing. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:58, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::With [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|4e Future]] and [[User:Vrail|Vrail's]] comment that <br />
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::::::I have decided that no time period should be mandated. I think I moved all those back, if there are any others please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Protect Page ==<br />
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I'd like to request a Protection from IP's be placed on my [[White Guard (3.5e Class)]] article. Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 04:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:You actually don't have to request this, just find a page that has it and look at the source code. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Oh, good idea. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 06:02, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::There isn't a source code for protection, it's an additional tab that only certain users (on this wiki, I imagine only admins) have access to. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 17:06, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I protected it from IP edits. And yes, only admins have access to the tab. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: Ummm..... GD, I don't know whats going on, I may be mistaken as to what you were asking, however I just tried getting it from the source code of another page for IP protection and it worked... [[Orion (3.5e Campaign Setting)]]--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: I'm pretty sure that's just a template to let IPs know they are unable to edit the page. They still can edit it, unless an admin has actually protected a page. Think of that source code (the template you copied) as a sign saying "road flooded", but you need an admin to actually add the flood water. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::: Ahhh. Ok, thanks for the clarification. However this can still be useful. If a sign reads 'road flooded 10 km ahead', most cars wouldn't test it. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:52, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Uploading an Adult Picture ==<br />
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I was hoping to place a certain picture on one of the pages that I'm going to design for my camapign setting. However, this picture has nudity in it. It's not pornographic, a female witch is simply naked. I was wondering if I would be allowed to post this? Or should I send it to you first for clearing? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 3 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It should be okay. Just make sure to add [[Template:Adult Theme]] to the top of the page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold buffs? ==<br />
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Hey, I was just looking at the negitive level adjustment page, and looked at the discussion page. <br />
And someone said that they didnt think that kobolds were -2 la, cause of the "buffs" they been getting.<br />
You said that the "last few books that wizards published" made them more of a -1 la.<br />
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I was wondering what are these buffs/books?<br />
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::he probably means Races of Dragon and possible Dragon Magic. RoD actually made kobolds kinda cool--[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 02:56, 13 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats what I was thinking after I asked the question, but just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything.<br />
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::::If I remember correctly it was Races of Dragon, but you could always check the date of the comment and the publication dates. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:15, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::: [http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060420a Races of Dragon Excerpt]. It gives Kobolds Slight Build (opposite of Half-Giant's Powerful Build), natural weapons and weapon proficiencies. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:00, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Couple questions ==<br />
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Just a couple things I'd like to ask you about. You mentioned that my class wasn't original and that it's been created before, yet if you search on this web site it's the only one that comes up. Umm? Just wondering about that, cuz I wouldn't know it's unoriginal if nothing else like it is on here. Another question, you mentioned that the Sith aren't all dark users. I took the definition of what a Sith was directly off of the star wars database, so take them up on it if you're really confused about what a Sith is. {{unsigned|Tmblake09}}<br />
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:Urm, Green Dragon didn't say any of those things. [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] said it was unoriginal (and unless you are George Lucas, ''any'' Sith class is by definition unoriginal), and he was also the one who suggested there were good and evil Sith. Generally if you have a problem with a specific article, it's best to take it up on that talk page and not a user talk page -- otherwise, people who look at your class later won't see this discussion.<br />
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:You are correct, by the way, that there aren't any other Sith classes on the wiki (btw GD, [http://media.dandwiki.com/wiki/Sith this] is another Sith class, but it's posted on MW? I didn't even know that was possible), but there are many, many other Star-Wars related entries. [[Jedi Knight (3.5e Class)]], [[Jedi Healer (DnD Class)]], [[Jedi Guardian (D20 Modern Base Class)]], [[Jedi Dualist (Not Duelist) (DnD Prestige Class)]], [[Jedi Consular (D20 Modern Base Class)]] and [[Jedi Sentinel (D20 Modern Base Class)]] all come up with a quick search. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:25, 23 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Candidates for Deletion ==<br />
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I finished my first-brush pass at candidates for deletion category. All-in-all I deleted or removed the deletion tag from over 200 articles! I skipped the campaign settings for now because they have so many sub pages, but that will be my next project.<br />
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One thing I noticed when clearing out all those pages was that a lot of them had talk pages by new users asking why we wanted to delete their page. In many cases, I'm guessing that it turned users away from the wiki, because they are trying to learn all these new things then all of the sudden somebody threatens to take it all away. I don't think the use of the deletion template is fully explained anywhere, so I created [[Template:Delete/why|this]] to help new users understand that we aren't delete-hungry monsters. If you approve, I can add a link to it within the deletion template.<br />
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Another thing I saw is pages that had enough information to be completed, they just weren't completed yet. They aren't usable as is, but I don't think it's right to delete them since there's enough there that someone else could finish it with a little gruntwork. I've started a discussion (so far it's just me) about a possible solution [[Category_talk:Candidates_for_Deletion#Idea_for_half-completed_pages|here]]. (While you're there, I had some ideas on the discussion just above it as well.) [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 05:08, 26 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Censorship ==<br />
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You've edited a comment I've left on a page. on PokeDM's [[User_talk:PokeDM|Talk]] page. You cropped it down, citing solicitation. I'm forced to say "Not Cool". I went out of my way to not solicit any other websites. I didn't drop a name. I didn't provide a link. Furthermore, I read through the behavioral policy just now and didn't see anything banning solicitation. I was trying to be helpful to a new user, letting him know that other people have tried similar endeavors, and there is help for him if he needs it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:33, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I have never said we do not edit comments. Comments are edited when needed. What you are doing is spam ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_spam Article Spam]), links to D&D resources can be found on [[DnD Links]]; no where else. Partial censorship is something D&D Wiki has &mdash; to keep spam and non-relevant things at bay. All the recent spam from IP's (see the barnstars some have received) is not allowed &mdash; I think you would understand. It could become a serious problem. <br />
:For example (not notice if you saw it) there was some spam advertising a certain boots company. If I recall correctly they supplied no links. Do you see the problem? It's very simple to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:03, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think he was just confused and dismayed at why you modified his post and never explained why. Poor communication on both sides resulted in a misunderstanding, but I don't think either side was intentionally being aggressive or anything like that. Anyways, no need to start a feud over a misunderstanding. ''':)'''. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Right, but you should also mention that no reason needs to be given in text format (maybe in the edit summary). I see what you mean when you mention this, and for the most part the IP (when violating this) knows though his or her ban. Since this user is not getting banned as a result of his or her solicitation (implicit or explicit), you should notice that just the censorship was hinting at this. Since he or she did not, and actually took this kind gesture the wrong way, now he or she knows is all we can say. As a general rule one should always read the edit summaries, and I hope we can say that if something gets censored with such a reason in the edit summary that is the reason. Seems very simple to understand, but I guess not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:28, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::To be fair Vrail, I was much more aggressive (intentionally) at the end of my comment up there. You just aren't seeing it because it was censored... Anyway, yeah, I was angry because my comment was edited. I don't see how a useful, on-topic, offer of help from an external resource (which was not linked or named) from a registered, contributing user on a fellow user's Talk page should be compared to spam about cheap boots on SRD talk pages. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:39, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Why was it solicitation? Because it did not say something like "I would like to tell you that other resources exist dealing with Pokémon in D&D. A simple Google search should give you some results." --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I suppose I assumed anyone attempting to make Pokemon monsters for DnD has probably already done a simple Google search. I was trying to provide more specific help with material. Can I leave something akin to "Hey, I noticed you're working on Pokemon for DnD. Leave me a message on my [[User_Talk:Badger|Talk Page]] if you want some help with creation, I know other resources exist that you may find helpful."? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:44, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Email would be the correct option. If someone wanted a possibility for such things then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::: The best part of this oppression is that you keep using the verb 'to solicit'. Let us take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context; Badger was attempting to bribe PokeDM for sex with name-dropping of! How... dastardly. It's not solicitation, it's advertising. Unless, of course, you think that people finding other sites that have D&D information on is an 'evil action', which wouldn't be too much of a step, to be honest. I mean, Badger doesn't want anything from his actions, except to help, and isn't really persuading the person in anyway nor was he persistent in his name-dropping. Also amusing is how Green Dragon is trying to say that what Badger did is on the same level as spambots. Because what he said had no relevance to the matter at hand for a person called PokeDM! Who'd think he'd want to find pokemon for D&D that other people had made to draw inspiration from. Also, I'll probably be banned for this. After all, I'm some kind of crazy anarchist. SOLICITATION, YES PLZ. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 11:58, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::No TK, it wasn't the irresistible urge to ''play out fantasies'' with PokeDM that got me caught "soliciting", it's the fact that I mentioned a website exists where PokeDM could find some help. It's not even advertising, in my opinion. It's be like a guy walking around saying "Hey, I see you spilled some mustard on your shirt. Know what could get that out? Soap..." Not the most helpful comment ever, but if you didn't know Soap existed you could certainly get the impression I know a thing or two, and ask me for help on how to find this "Soap". <br />
::::::::: Also, when I said ''play out fantasies'' I meant play a role-playing game with fantasy elements, not have kinky Tome Charizard sex. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 16:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''Let's take the most humourous meaning of the word and put it into context''" &mdash; ya, but I don't mean that usage. That is not how English works. You take the correct usage, the one that works.<br />
::::::::::Etymology: Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb.<br />
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::::::::::# to make petition to : entreat b : to approach with a request or plea <solicited Congress for funding><br />
::::::::::# to urge (as one's cause) strongly<br />
::::::::::# to entice or lure especially into evil b : to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute<br />
::::::::::# to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations><br />
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::::::::::# to make solicitation : importune<br />
::::::::::# of a prostitute : to offer to have sexual relations with someone for money<br />
::::::::::(Merriam Webster)<br />
::::::::::And, yes, it is spam. If he is truly interested in helping PokeDM achieve personal goals then using email to help him find resources is the correct method; please read the discussion before responding. Posting a lasting comment here with soliciting present is not acceptable.<br />
::::::::::And yes, but you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:52, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::{{quote|you should only say "Soap" and if you want to give your preference of a Soap brand then you should only tell him or her, announcing it to everyone is soliciting. And soliciting is not allowed"}} <br />
:::::::::::That is precisely what I did. I told him I knew of soap (a wiki) and if he wanted I could tell him the brand (the wiki's actual name). If you want to go back and read my original comment you'll notice I left it intentionally vague. Unless you think the word "wiki" narrows down the exact website I intended to link. Also, I don't think any of those definitions you posted up there truly apply to what I did. It was one comment on a talk page; hardly urgent, evil, forced, or pleading. It was actually ignored for 2 weeks before you went and edited it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:08, 29 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You should of, however, just said it exists. Then the user can find it him/her self. This is correct. If it is such a singularity then an email with specifics would be in order.<br />
::::::::::::By saying things like "wiki" and so you are soliciting, implicitly, and that is not allowed on D&D Wiki. Saying things exist, however, is okay. Why? Then "other things" are not given an even playing field and you are attempting to influence the readers views. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:38, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::How was he supposed to know he could e-mail me to ask for specifics if I didn't mention that he could? Furthermore, given all the recent spamming on this website (which you, yourself, acknowledged a few posts up), I don't want to leave my email address on this site; and I certainly wouldn't ask someone else to do something I was afraid to do. Finally, let's get the straight, right here, right now: the word "wiki", at least in the context of "I know a wiki exists", is solicitation. Quite frankly, if they did know what I mean, then they probably already know everything I do. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:01, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Since you mentioned my name I thought I'd pipe up. Ironically, I only know what you are talking about because I've seen it censored from people's pages. Had I not seen "removing solicitation" in the RC longs, I probably wouldn't have gone to those user's pages and seen the link in the first place.<br />
:But I digress. You can email a user without posting your email address to spammers. If you have set up your email address in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], and have checked the "enable e-mail from other users" box, you can send or be sent an email through the wiki using the Email this User link on a user's page or talk page. This doesn't leave you open to spammers, because they don't actually have a way to access your email address unless you give it to them. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:16, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Exactly. And use <code><tt>Special:EmailUser/<!-username-></tt></code>. As I said above, "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:26, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I have been on this wiki for some time now, and I had no idea that function existed. Thanks for the heads up. And Green Dragon, I still have no idea what "''If someone wanted a possibility for [email] then there is the possibility they would not mind recieving an email about such things.''" means... --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:46, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::I spent a lot of time on a wiki that was a little obsessed with back-channel talk, so I learned pretty quickly about the email user function. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Meaning that I hope people make sure their preferences are their preferences. I hope that those who add an email also make sure to select or deselect "Enable e-mail from other users". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:59, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Not all users read those boxes carefully, and the box is unchecked by default. It's the kind of thing that most people don't know is there until someone tells them about it. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:29, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is that included in Green Dragon's Welcome Message? If not, I move we add it. I know I glanced at the preferences page the day I first signed up, and not again until just now. I know that's on me for not being more careful, and through, but I imagine many people don't know that exists. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I changed it a bit ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User%3AGreen_Dragon%2FWelcome_Message&diff=465597&oldid=428051 diff]). Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I'm curious as to what prompted the change from "love" to "enjoy", but I do think it is much better. Might it also be beneficial to have a straight-up welcome page for new users? The message is personal and nice, and for that short and sweet is best. But a more in-depth welcome page might also be helpful, perhaps with a list of admins, or very active users, and their areas of expertise. For instance, asking you for campaign writing advice would be useful, but given my time here I think Hooper is who I would direct questions to. Again, you may be able to help with d20 Modern, but there is no doubt in my mind that Jazzman would perhaps be more helpful. Nothing against you or your abilities, but everyone has a strong suit, we should embrace that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:28, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::One enjoys websites not loves them? Dunno. Sounds better? Dunno.<br />
:::::::::And no. That's not going to happen. Everyone interprets things for themselves and having a D&D Wiki-mandated page telling users how certain things are which is interpreted on a personal scale is not good policy.<br />
:::::::::And if people do not know the generals of wiki's then they need to learn &mdash; but D&D Wiki is not Wikipedia in the sense of a trillion help pages to learn MediaWiki and so. One can go there. We assume if one cares they can first look for it theselves. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 3 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Hello ==<br />
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Good evening Admin. <br />
i have a question.<br />
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What would you say for a LA+0 Race to have +3 STR, +6 DEX, +3 CON, -6 WIS, -4 INT, -2 CHA() Size= Large. Would you say that would be fair? im considering on making a race thats not too over powered but just right. I would love to make a Na'Vi race. From the movie Avatar. i love that movie and i think it would just be awesome to bring it into D&D Wiki. {{unsigned|Powershart}}<br />
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:I'm not Green Dragon, but I saw this and thought I'd respond anyway. LA +0 seems low for a large creature, especially one that gets a total of +12 to physical stats. Plus you have exactly offset the physical bonuses with mental penalties, and if we use the orc as a precedent, physical stats are more valuable than mental. (By the way, odd numbered stat increases are generally frowned upon, because they don't add a static bonus/penalty.) I'm not sure that Na'Vi would have low Int or Cha, and they ''definitely'' don't have low Wis. They are very spiritual, insightful creatures; if anything, they should get a Wis bonus. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 14:54, 27 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::First racial changes should always be even. Second, large size normally means LA 1-2. With the bonus' to dex it could get very overpowered, for example with ranged fighting. I would recommend upping the LA and tonning down the ability score changes and then it could be LA 1. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:49, 28 April 2010 (UTC)<br />
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think you for welcomeing me even now it's alittle late for my response but it is one.<br />
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== How do I Delete? ==<br />
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I realize that the Special Operative Gunslinger is way off balance, and I want to delete it... How would I go about doing this? {{Unsigned|Rogue The Demonchild|06:02, 4 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:See also [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Search and DPL Problems ==<br />
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When trying to browse the D&D 3.5 pages, many things do not load in the list, cutting off about a third of the way down to about half the way down. The search function is also broken. These problems have been occurring for a few months, and I am a little upset that I can't access all of the data available on this website. Sorry if you've heard these complaints many times before, but I figured I should report it, since it hasn't been dealt with for a while. {{Unsigned|216.134.174.192|20:37, 5 May 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:Both of these problems have been dealt with, and thanks for mentioning the problems. Please see below and [[Talk:All 3.5e Races#DPL Problem]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Trouble with the wiki ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just stopping by to say, and I know this has been said before, but their seem to be some problems with loading pages on the wiki. It seems as though every second time I try to load a new page it says 'error wiki down' or something of the sort. Not to mention it taking a very long time to load pages some times. In addition to this, it is impossible to search and to move pages as it keeps on saying error. I was under the impression that the slowness of the wiki and the constant downs were supposed to be fixed a while ago from your response to my earlier post about this on the discussion page, however it seems to still be causing trouble.<br />
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I don't mean this in a threatening or rude way, so please don't take it the wrong way, but if this keeps up the wiki may start loosing some of its community, which would be a terrible thing as I love the wiki and the people here. So I'm hoping that this can be figured out some how and the wiki can start working at optimal capacity again. Perhaps it is having problems with loading because of spikes that the servers can't handle at certain times of the day? Anyways, hope its worked out, thanks. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Search was repaired.<br />
:Moving pages now works.<br />
:With regard to the speed I am going to switch hosting soon again (to something a little different) and from there we can see once again.<br />
:Sound okay? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:55, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::AWESOME! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Thats great, thanks for jumping on this so quickly, I look forward to a faster wiki! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:30, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting has been switched and the problems are being ironed out. We'll have to see how it is now and then see. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:12, 30 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Idea about "authors" ==<br />
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I was thinking last night. A ''lot'' of pages still have "authors" listed in the infobox, and I've noticed you've spent a ton of time editing this out. Would it make sense just to take out the authors parameter from the infobox templates? That way it would stop showing up everywhere at once.<br />
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I would be glad to do it, as it's a good way to learn how templates work, I just wanted to make sure you approved before I changed almost every page on this wiki! [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:05, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Why are the authors being removed? I think it's a great idea to have them so that the creators can easily be contacted about the page, or other pages they have done. It also allows authors to take pride in the work they spent so much time creating. I would hate to have the author section removed on my pages and pages I view, just something to consider. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::the long-short of it is if you wanna see authors, look in history. --[[User:Name Violation|Name Violation]] 20:43, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::As Name Violation said, the authors are always in the history. The bigger issue is that "authorship" gives users a misleading impression about the GNU license. What ends up happening is people see the "authors" box and then don't edit pages because they are afraid they are going to be treading on someone else's work, and those pages sit around without being completed. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:32, 6 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::However what happens with pages made weeks ago? or months ago, or more? Or what if people like what they have posted and want only minor edits, I realize that it's ok for them to be edited, but some people only want certain degrees of editing done to their pages. Also it says in the box that constructive edits are welcome, unless specified otherwise. If people care enough to respect the author then they should also care enough to read that part. Plus, it won't change a thing if the author isn't listed, its still not made by them and they know there is another author, therefore they will most likely give the same degree of caution.<br />
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::::So if having authors has advantages and some people want them to be listed, and the disadvantages will be in effect either way, it seems there is still no logical reason in my mind to remove them. Anyways, thats just my two cents, ignore me if you want to. :)--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:59, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Personally, I'm with Vrail on this one. I don't pretend to understand the legal ramifications behind authorship/ownership and GNU-FDL, or whatever else. I know if I see a minor problem with a page (typo, minor formatting, circumlocution, etc) I fix it. If I'm making a mechanical change I post it on the talk page first, and wait for someone else to pipe in (even someone else other than the author) and if they think my edit is for the better I'll make it. I know I have a few things on this wiki, and I'd like to be told before someone is making mechanical changes to my work, not just see it in the revision history. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:24, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::There's a couple different issues here:<br />
::::::#People who don't want their articles edited. "If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then do not submit it here." Sorry, that's just the way it is.<br />
::::::#People who want to take credit for their work. As was stated before, the author's name is on the history. If you want to take credit for you work, put a link on your talk page. There's really no need to take credit on the page itself.<br />
::::::#People who make edits to pages without taking into consideration the original author. This is going to happen (and in fact, does happen) whether or not there's a little box at the top saying "this page belongs to X". It's good wiki etiquette to ask before making major changes; Wikipedia has pages that are so long gone from the original authors that literally thousands of different editors have made changes, yet still it's expected that any significant changes are explained on the talk page. I think this is a better way to do things, really. Having an "author" relies on the fact that creators stick around to help other people with their pages, and I think it's pretty clear that in the long run that very rarely happens.<br />
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::::::I should clarify that I'm not trying to change policy here, I'm just going along with what [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Duck_McGraw_%283.5e_NPC%29&diff=prev&oldid=459965 GD has already been doing]. Also, I like the idea of authors in theory, but I think on this specific website, it's making things worse, not better. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::True, but I'm not argueing that articles shouldn't be eddited by everybody. This, while as has been stated, can be done with poor etiquette I agree it is part of posting things on the wiki. It even says so as you have quoted. However a number of people do not check history or discussion pages, and it's nice to have people know it was you who developed the page. I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.<br />
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:::::::In the end I do agree with some of your points, but wish to stick with my original position. I think authors are a good idea, and why would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:29, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::''[A] number of people do not check history or discussion pages...''<br />
:::::::::We shouldn't be catering to the people who are doing it wrong, we should be teaching them how to do it right. Besides, if someone's not going to look at the history or discussion page, they probably aren't looking at the author template.<br />
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::::::::''[It's] nice to have people know it was you who developed the page.''<br />
:::::::::Meh. If you need the satisfaction, your name will forever be in the history, and you are free to link to the articles on your userspace. I don't see this as a compelling reason to keep the author template.<br />
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::::::::''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think...'''<br />
:::::::::I bet more ''don't'' than ''you'' think :) You can't use yourself as an example, because you are one of the 10% of editors who actually comes back more than once. Trust me, in cleaning up the d20 Modern side of things as well as several hundred deletion candidates, I can tell you that there are tons of people who never stay for more than 1 week, tops. But the site's only 4 years old; what happens a year for now, or two, or ten? If we assume that the site exists forever, then eventually every editor will leave and never come back.<br />
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::::::::''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''<br />
:::::::::I don't know why they were added, but people rarely do things ''knowing'' they aren't going to work out well. You do them, then ''later'' figure out they didn't work well.<br />
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::::::::Remember, not having the word "author" on the top doesn't stop you from ''acting'' like one. If you create a page and someone comes along and changes a mechanic without explanation, you have every right to change it back, whether or not it's your name on the top of the page. But that's a product of wiki etiquette, not a product of who was the first person to edit the page.<br />
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::::::::So in the end, what's changed by removing the author template? Sure, you lose (some) recognition, and that's hard for some people to swallow. I have created very little original content on this wiki, and the few things I have created have gone unnoticed by the community, and yes, it made me a little sad. But I know that anyone who comes along a week or a month or a decade from now can look at the pages and say "hey, I really like this, I wonder who wrote it?" and only be a couple clicks from finding out it was me.<br />
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::::::::What else do you lose? I can't think of anything. But what do you gain? Things might actually get done, instead of waiting for a long-gone author's permission to correct spelling and grammar errors. People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages (I don't pretend to know all the things that have gone on in this wiki before I got here, but from what I ''do'' understand, this single fact could have solved a lot of it). New users won't be so intimidated and will contribute more and stay longer. We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.<br />
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::::::::I'm not trying to be biased in my assessment, but I really don't see the costs/benefits favoring keeping the templates. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 06:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::lol, nice counters to my points. :P However I am one of those authors who finds it hard to swollow loosing some recognition. Also, many new users, if the author isn't presented on the main page then they won't know were to find it if they like the page. Instead of not having authors, we could just make it clear that you have full creative principle with others articles and can edit constructively, as the box usually states. As well, for things such as classes and races, yes, some people do get to overprotective of their articles. However, if somebody came along and started making major changes to my campaign setting, which I have invested many hours into, then I would be a bit displeased. Although I do have to agree with your point that it would be less intimidating for new users. However for this to happen, we would have to make it clear that all posts are comunity developed instead of just not including authors.<br />
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:::::::::You are slowly convincing me, but remember, I ''do'' have a biased assesment of things, seeing as I have always loved being able to see authors, and having people be able to see myself as an author. So therefore I may not be the best candidate to discuss this with. :P--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:18, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::"''I also think that more people stick around to help others with the page than you think, I'm constantly going through all my pages, either checking them for comments or revising them.''"<br />
::::::::::Of course keep in mind "''If necessary please use the "Watch this page" checkbox before creating the page. Keep in mind "my preferences" &rarr; "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed". Your username or IP address will be recorded in the new pages history for authorship purposes.''" ([[Add Instructions]]).<br />
::::::::::"''[Why] would they have been added in the first place if they were all bad?''"<br />
::::::::::[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] made it since he felt people should have a sense of authorship. Over time this has been shown to be counter-productive.<br />
::::::::::As [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman831]] said "''People won't have a false sense of ownership over pages ... We can progress to a community of discussion and move away from one of unilateral action.''"<br />
::::::::::And I would like to give an example. Quite a while ago I made the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)]] and then decided that authorship should be disregarded as the editing method. As such I put it up for adoption (as this was the 'correct' way to approach this at this time ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=289660&oldid=233570 diff]) ). Over time my article was changed quite a bit and a picture was added ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Flying_Archer_%283.5e_Prestige_Class%29&diff=444354&oldid=289660 diff]). As a person I still feel a sense of "ownership" of this article. My plan? A while ago I looked at the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]] and thought maybe I should just revert it. However I saw some merit and ideas. So, now when I have some extra time, I am planning on piping in on the discussion and helping to make it 'good' as I see it. So, what is authorship? If I had kept my name on it all the new merit and ideas would never be able to be seen, and I think it would have actually ultimately hindered the future of the [[Flying Archer (3.5e Prestige Class)|Flying Archer]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:06, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::It's called having two articles with different names and different authors. You should try it some time. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::You can look at it like that, and please do, however I find that the ''idea'' behind a certain creation type should be the best that it can be. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::Would you be willing to put the idea to a vote? Clearly among the 5 contributing users commenting on this thread we have a 3-2 split, overall in favor of keeping the author tag(Vrail, Jota(?), and myself for, Green Dragon and Jazzman opposed). I think the fact that "wiki" is in the name of the website should be a hint enough that you can edit freely any article you want. Also, I believe your welcome message encourages editing of all articles. Finally, we don't know what would have happened if you had left your authorship on that page. It's just as likely that someone would have seen it, and left their comments on the talk page and you (as the author) could have started a dialog about what should go and what should stay. If you didn't want to be in charge of leading that dialog, by all means throw on the adoption template and walk away, but many of us are in favor of being the main contributor to our work. I personally don't think we all should forfeit our rights to credit and ownership because you did it once and it turned out ok. To me that is likely the exception, not the rule. Look at how many unfinished articles are up for adoption but remain the same, and how many with authors are being changed and collaborated on. One other note, looking at the talk page, it looks like most of the changes occurred after adoption (when a new user name was on it) and most of the contributions were by names I recognize to be "editing buddies" of the adopter. By "editing buddies", I mean wiki-friends who all contribute on each others talk pages all the time. I saw no new editors, merely conversation between comrades suggesting things to the adoptive editor. Quite frankly, it may only have been adopted because you, Green Dragon, are the one who put it up for adoption. I know I'd be curious to see something you wrote. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:This is not a voting issue. Voting is used when options are equivalent or have to be classified as equivalent (e.g. taste).<br />
:What are the options? (a) To use history for authorship purposes (see also [[Add Instructions]]) or (b) use [[Template:Author]] and history for authorship purposes.<br />
:Why are (a) and (b) not equivalent? Since they do not serve the same purpose. [[Template:Author]] is a template with a creation date, username & options for contact, and an 'overall' editing summary. Although these ''are'' equivalent to the history tab in ''presence'', they are not comprehensive. This non-comprehensive aspect makes them not equivalent. <br />
:Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page, fulfilling the criteria of (b)? This is where this discussion has its core. My answer is because the non-comprehensive aspect can be deceiving. It can appear to many as a ''comprehensive'' history tab, making it deceiving to users which may not understand tabs (e.g. [[User talk:Green Dragon#Ganteka]]) and through the process disregarding some users. <br />
:I ask anyone to give their input to the question of "''Although they are not equivalent (the history tab and [[Template:Author]]) why not just add it onto the page to add another aspect to the page?''" --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:28, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think the Ganteka section you pointed out is a prime example of why author templates would help. If Axl could have seen "'''Author:''' 238.346.23.6785" up in the main info box he would not have assumed that Ganteka wrote it. As to perceived comprehensiveness, I think we both know that's silly. No one expects a page on a wiki to have a single contributor, that's not how wikis work. If anyone sees an author tag and thinks "Well, I can't edit this page because it belongs to that guy" the problem is with teaching how wikis work. I understand that somewhere we should have a comprehensive list of who contributed what to where, but I don't think that means we have to get rid of an author template. History is important, and I don't think we should ever get rid of it (I don't even think we can, that's kinda the point), but I don't see any problem with having a single line that says "'''Author:''' Badger". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving Pages ==<br />
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I noticed that recently you were moving a number of DnD pages to 4e or 3.5e or their corresponding eddition. Is this being done to all pages? If so, I could help. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:17, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. If you would like to [[DnD Rules]] could use some page-moving help. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 05:21, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So are all the pages on those lists just being moved to 3.5e rather than DnD? Or am I missing something? It just seems like a simple task to have not been completed yet. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:39, 8 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It's been a few days now, just wanted to say I'm still waiting for an answer. I really want to help out, but I don't want to start moving pages and find out I'm doing something wrong. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::That is what needs to be done there. A lot of simple tasks have yet to be completed, a great example is [[Special:ListRedirects]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Awesome, just wanted to clarify. I'll start moving some pages, although many may have to wait a bit, it's pretty late at night were I live right now. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:36, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::'''I DID IT!'''. That took a lot more work than I thought it would, but it's finished now, and I can rest happy, knowing the wiki was helped. ''':D''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I just finished converting all of the 3.5e campaign setting tags from DnD to 3.5e. I was wondering if there were any more big pages to convert? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:32, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I can't think of anything that involves moving pages, but if you are looking for something with lots of work, check out [[Special:DoubleRedirects]]. If that interests you, basically what you need to do is change the first redirect to point to the third redirect, skipping the second redirect entirely. But then you have to go to the second redirect, hit the "what links here", and change all those links to point to the third page. Finally, add a deletion tag to the second redirect, and I'll come along behind you and delete the unneeded redirects.<br />
::::::::Of course, it's a lot of work, but it's pretty mindless work. Luckily since we mostly use DPLs instead of direct linking, when you moved all those pages 90% of the links to those pages will have moved with them, and you won't have to change much. Unfortunatly, as of this moment there are 984 double redirects!! If this interests you but I didn't explain it well just leave a message on my talk page and I'll be more clear. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:01, 12 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Awesome, so I've moved all the big pages of DnD to their correct editions. What a great feeling it is to have finished, that was a lot of work. ''':)''' Anyways, I'll get to work on the double redirects. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:29, 13 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Of course, if you want to do something less mindless, you could update the classes pages and look over their content. Let me know if you are interested. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::Lol, that does sound pretty interesting, but I have a lot going right now, perhaps when I finish up my campaign setting, or fix a few more double redirects I'll do it, but right now I just don't think I have the time.<br />
:::::::::::But if the job is still open in a couple of weeks or a month or two I'd love to do it. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:36, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Well it's open until the task has been completed. I started on [[DnD Base Classes]], and will finish the task sometime in its current state. Just let me know when you have time and still want to, unless you understand what I am talking about then of course at your leisure. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:23, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== what would be involved in hosting an OD&D derivative? ==<br />
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There are several old school D&D clones, most of which are ostensibly derived form D&D3.0, like labyrinth lord, OSRIC, Swords & Wizardry.<br />
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Would it be a possibility, assuming one of them consented to be hosted here, to have a section added to be populated with that content? <br />
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Their PDFs can be sometimes a little frustrating to navigate. <br />
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-- Greg.gilbraithATgmail.com<br />
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:Of course. If you need to know how to start your own section please let me know. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Quests and Encounters ==<br />
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When you try to create a new Quest on the [[3.5e Quests]] page, all it says is AAA. Their is also no page to make encounters. Is their any way for this to be fixed with relative ease? I was just looking into adding an adventure/quest and couldn't create it that way.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:16, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:50, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::What's the advantage of using a form vs. a preload? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:36, 15 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Preloads are better. This was discussed somewhere (I think on a form's removed page (please see [[Talk:DnD Flaws#Flaw Form]])). The reason was that preloads make it so wiki syntax is learned sometime whereas forms do not do that. And both are about the same difficulty to understand. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:49, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion ==<br />
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I don't know how to delete things on this wiki; I'm assuming it's a mod's job, but I've honestly got no idea. I'm trying to delete [[Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]] and [[Greater Epic Access (3.5e Feat)]], as I've turned both of them into [[Epic Access (3.5e Variant Rule)]]. If deleting things is a mod's job only, would you delete them for me? If I can actually do it, I'd be more than happy to learn how so I don't bother you or Hooper over this again. Thanks! --[[User:For Valor|For Valor]] 23:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Please see [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam ==<br />
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Today alone I have already removed four spam posts, and thats just one person on one day. It seems recently the pace of spam has increased. Am I imagining things or did some spam blocking protocol get messed up or something? Anyways, just wondering if there is anything that can be done to help keep spam down. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:47, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oops, just noticed this was already talked about, feel free to delete this comment if you wish. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:53, 17 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Honestly, I don't think blocking the spammers really does anything. I've never seen one IP address spam more than one page, so they've got some kind of program that randomizes the IP after every spam post. However, the reason you probably saw more today is because traffic was much lower, so the same amount of spam makes up a higher percentage. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 01:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually, I take back that last part. The spammers are out in force today for some reason. Good work, as always, Vrail.<br />
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::The only pattern I ''have'' noticed is that they seem to hit the same pages over and over (can't quite figure out why they choose those pages though). When I see a page has been hit more than once I protect it for a couple months from anonymous edits. Don't really know if that helps or not, I'm hoping that the bot hits a protected page, tries to edit, and isn't smart enough to figure out that it's locked so nothing happens. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== 3.5e Page Names ==<br />
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I have noticed that a number of the larger pages in 3.5e are still called DnD (i.e [[DnD Character Options]], [[DnD Classes]], [[DnD Campaign Settings]], etc.). Since all of the pages in these categories have been moved to 3.5e rather than DnD, shouldn't these larger pages be moved too? Anyways, I was just wondering, just say the word and I can do it. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 06:03, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, and please feel free. Also, since they are related to one another, the templates with "DnD" present (e.g. [[Template:DnD Prestige Classes Breadcrumb]]) should also be moved. They are also considered subparts of the 'larger pages' as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:45, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::When you were changing the links on the 3.5e homebrew page so they skipped the redirect you missed [[DnD Maps|maps]]. Just pointing it out since I can't do it myself. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:20, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oops, nevermind, just checked and the maps pages are the same for 3.5e and 4e. Sorry, I guess I should check before I talk next time. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 23:24, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It would make sense to add an addition, but I do not think an edition really defines a map. Maybe if they have creatures detailed (e.g. [[dndmedia:File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg|File:Blacksmith's Cellar.jpg]]. Dunno, your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Images Lost ==<br />
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So it appears we have yet again lost all the uploaded images on the wiki. Everywhere that there should be an image is the link, but no image (on my computer at least). What's the deal? I know this happened once before, I want to say when mediawiki was updated. Is that what happened this time? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:40, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't know what happened, however I would just like to say that this has happened for my computer to, so it's not just you! ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 20:36, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I looked into it a bit more, and figured out that the pictures are still there in the media wiki. However the links are going to the normal D&D wiki categories rather than linking to the files in the media repository. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:59, 25 May 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Images are working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Races Not Showing Up ==<br />
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Um, hey Green Dragon. I made 3 races, one used to show up (they're all for D&D 4e) called Hyrulian, and now none of them show up. there was Dark Hylian, Hyrulian (I changed the name once you click on it), and Zora. The Zora is not the same as the 3.5e. I never created that one. Anyway, if you could tell me, that would be nice. Thanks, and thanks for creating D&D Wiki! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I fixed those. When you add things make sure the categories are correct. Categories make pages show up on other pages and the removal of categories or the incorrect changing of categories will stop that from happening. If you want a category for your user, although not recommended since links on ones userpage is the same thing, please add that in addition. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Hey ''Green Dragon'', 2 of my races have shown up: ''Dark Hylian'' and ''Hylian''. So you don't have to worry about those two. But, Could you put my '''Zora''' (4e race) one up? Thanks,<br />
::Hmm, Maybe I should watch the introduction someday. All right! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC) <br />
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:::It is. The template at the top of the [[Zora (4e Race)]] page makes it show up in the lower section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I found out where the Zora race went. I finished the adventurers. Do you have to manually move the Zora so that it won't be edited? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you dealt with the issue on the stub template then feel free to remove the template. When you do it will be moved up to the upper section. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:02, 1 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== D&D wiki, whats the status? ==<br />
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Hello fellow D&D gamer,<br />
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I was surfing D&Dwiki, and looking for some maps, and when I finally found them, I sadly realized that the jpeg files were no longer their. Then when I went back to the home page, I also saw that the picture of the Rock worm was gone (which has been their for ages). So what's going on? How's D&D wiki doing? <br />
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A fan of D&D WIKI!<br />
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Cheers,<br />
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Amrit van der Lely (Netherlands)<br />
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== question ==<br />
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What does d% mean or is that just the drop ratio and if you do give me an answer do you mind telling me how to use the drop system?? {{unsigned|Billojava|2010-06-02 07:54}}<br />
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:[[SRD:Basics#d%|What d% means]]. No idea what you mean by the "drop system". —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 14:04, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I actually found a really cool d%. It was a big clear and hollow d10, with a smaller solid red d10 inside. When you roll it both roll simultaneously creating a %. It's really awesome.--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:46, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I've got a few of those die-inside-a-die for each type, and they're really neat. We also wear '''d%er''' patches, much like bikers wear '''1%er''' patches. Its hilarious. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:48, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Fell Knight 4e Powers ==<br />
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Hey,<br />
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If anyone could put down how to create Class 4e powers, that would be great, cause I need to provide a power list for my Fell Knight.<br />
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[[User:Axl|Axl]]<br />
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:[[Add New 4e Power]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:16, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Locking Pages ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, Do I really have to let people edit my races that I created? 'Cause, I really don't want anyone editing them. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:32, 2 June 2010 (UTC)Axl<br />
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:Yes. Its a collaborative site. If you are not 100 percent okay with others working with you, then don't upload the content. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:37, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::You can request to get your content locked, but then you cannot edit it either. Let me know what you decide please. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::How do you lock your content? I'm thinking that's what I'm going to do. Can I unlock it without troubling you? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Actually, I'll just let people edit things, and if I don't like it, I'll click the revert button. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:52, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::If you want your content locked post something on the talk page saying it. Or supply some links to an admin. A few editing deviations exist, of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Power Ideas ==<br />
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Hey, if anyone has any ideas for my classes powers, just put them down [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|here]].<br />
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Thanks,<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:22, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tavern re-opening ==<br />
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So it's been a while since the tavern was closed down. I know there was some trouble with it in the past, and doubt as to it's use/need.However, I see dozens of messages on talk pages that are posted minutes apart, and I for one have been hit by plenty of edit conflicts. I know before hosting the channel was an issue, but as I understand that was resolved. Is that still the case? I wonder if there was any other interest in re-opening the tavern. A vote/discussion on the topic would be worth looking into, I think. As for hosting, if the server support isn't there, I'm sure we can find some free IRC hosting. Just something I've been thinking about, it might help to drive some life back into the site, and increase the community user-base. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:19, 3 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:GD believed that the tavern was actually a bad thing for the wiki to have, and therefore it was never re added even after the server was fixed. However, reading over the discussion about it (I would post it but I can't remember what it was called), it seemed like more people wanted to keep it then discard it, and it was never really voted on. <br />
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:I know this was dealt with already, but now that it's brought up I'd like to put in my own 2 cents that, I loved the tavern. It was a great resource and could be used for not only common discussion but it can help with people wanting reviews on their pages, or help/advice. It also seemed to help create a more welcoming community and allowed at some point for a D&D game to be played, which was a good idea and seemed fun. For all of these good things about it, it seemed only one negative point could be brought up, the amount of spam on it. However with the ratio of good to bad being 5 to 1, I do think this discussion could be reopened. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I think you are referring to [[Discussion:The_Tavern:_use,_expansion,_and_availability.|this]] discussion. It seemed toward the end of that conversation that Green Dragon was opening up to the idea again, maybe I'm misinterpreting, however. I think we should seriously look into opening it up. From that discussion it appeared that many of the problems were surrounding users no longer involved with this project. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:42, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Hrm, was the tavern just like a chat room? I've had a lot of bad experiences with off-wiki communication on other wikis... all it does is make people paranoid and exclude people. Even now, with the Tavern dead for 6 months, there are talk pages on this wiki which say "go to the tavern, we are discussing it right now". Well, that only really works if you happen to be there at that moment of time. But if I want to read that discussion to figure out how they reached some decision, I can't. Wikis are designed to have everything visible always, not some stuff visible once.<br />
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:::I can see the value of, say, hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game, but I don't think any off-site communication should be relied upon for more than that. If someone makes a change to a page based on a tavern discussion, someone else a year down the line needs to be able to understand why that change was made. And no policy discussions should ever be held on the tavern, period.<br />
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:::So to clarify, I'm not strictly against it ''per se'', but we need to be very careful of how it's used. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I figured the tavern was almost exclusively for "hammering out class ideas in real time, or chatting about your most recent D&D game", and other things, like quick rule questions that don't need to be a discussion forum, like "does DR from multiple places stack?". It was never my intention to have it be anything more than "Hey, can someone check out MyClass?". --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:32, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::In the past it's been used for more than that... naturally I can't remember where I saw it, but there was at least one policy discussion that was discussed on the tavern, and then people who weren't on were very confused. But like I said, as long as we are clear about it's use, it can be a great feature. And really, I don't see why we'd need to host it ourselves... given the bandwidth problems, I'd go so far as to say we don't ''want'' to host it here. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::That's why I've looked into the free hosting provided by freenode.net. As for policy discussions, I think as long as we remember the tavern is part of a bigger whole, that shouldn't be a problem. I've started a mockup in my [[User:Badger/sandbox1|sandbox]] of what the tavern portal should look like, if you want to suggest changes to text, or see what I'm trying to do, or something.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think it would be nice to host it ourselves, just for consistency and easier management and placement. We also have the bandwidth to host it ourselves, unless I misunderstood a previous post on the tavern discussion page. So really it shouldn't be a problem as to us hosting it ourselves.<br />
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:::::::It would be nice to have GD's opinion on this, seeing as it is his decision in the end anyways. Soooo, care to stop by and chat dragon ol' buddy? ''';)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 01:40, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I think we ''thought'' we had enough bandwidth, but seeing as we are having bouts of server off-time daily, I think we probably don't have the bandwidth we thought we did... But yeah, obviously we're in a holding pattern until GD weighs in. Then I think we move this conversation to a discussion forum and open it up the the entire wiki, and see if the community actually wants it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 02:09, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::So then, you've had right around 5 months to read this thread. Any thoughts? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 15:56, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::There is a chat room set up by the users that forked from this wiki here: [http://wbe01.mibbit.com/?settings=8856360d1621465a2d98737419554750&server=irc.mibbit.net&channel=%23dnd&noServerMotd=true]. Most people in there are very helpful (perhaps, despite previous behavior here). Either way, I'd recommend you guys stop by sometime or at least look at getting a mibbit channel for yourselves (I have no complaints with the service to date). Cheers! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:52, 28 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== D20 Future Section? ==<br />
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Does anyone think that there should be a D20 Future section, or do we just put the future stuff in the D20m Homebrew? Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:48, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:d20 Future's already there, it's just not separated out into it's own section; it's integrated in with all the rest of the d20M stuff. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:55, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Legal Disclaimer ==<br />
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Can anyone tell me if I need to put a legal Disclaimer on all my 4e races? My races are: Dark Spike Hylian, Dark Hylian, Forest Hylian, Hylian, Gregar, and Zora. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:14, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They're based off Zelda races/classes, right? You bet you do. It's easy, just add the template to the bottom of the page, above the breadcrumbs. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 23:27, 4 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I do? How come? Is it just because I used the name "Hylian"? Do I have to put in the disclaimer on my Megaman stuff too? Well, I'll get around to that. Thanks though. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, do you mind giving me the template for that? I'm actually kinda new here on D&D Wiki. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sure thing, just add <nowiki>{{Copyright Disclaimer}}</nowiki> to the bottom of the page, just above the breadcrumbs. This should be applied to any material that is inspired by any copyrighted material, so Megaman, Zelda, or anything else you add.--[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:23, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:35, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Hey! It worked! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Spam and ReCaptcha ==<br />
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I was talking to Badger and he thinks that dealing with Captcha would be less annoying than dealing with spammers. Many people watch your talk page so we'll see who else agrees.<br />
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The problem we had before was that it was all or nothing. Were we using ReCaptcha or some other service? It looks like ReCaptcha [http://recaptcha.net/plugins/mediawiki/ has been updated] so that only IPs are affected. If that's the case, it should solve both of our problems at once. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:23, 5 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I know you are busy fixing other things, but the spam is terrible right now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 03:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The spam is getting worse. We really need to look into getting captcha implemented for IPs again. With the recent update of Mediawiki we shouldn't have any trouble doing that, right? --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:08, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::ReCaptcha is now implemented for all IP edits and user edits with an external link. Please let me know of any problems. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:59, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Templates ==<br />
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Can anyone provide the (improvement, Reveiwing, and some other) template? Cause I need it for stuff. Thanks, --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Check out [[Help:Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Templates|this link]] for any of the reviewing templates you need. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Whoops. I just found out how to do it. Sorry for putting you through the trouble. But thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh Hey! There's more in that link! Thanks! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:29, 8 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Content Question ==<br />
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I've recently created a Dungeons and Dragons drinking game (cleverly named DnDnD, Dungeons and Dragons and Drinking). A '''real life''' drinking game meant to be played alongside DnD; ''not'' a mechanic for including drinking games in DnD. Before I moved it into variant rules, I thought I would run it past you and see if you think it's appropriate for the wiki. It's currently in [[User:Badger/sandbox2|my sandbox]]. I already added the adult content template, as well as made it clear that we here at Dandwiki support drinking responsibly, and do not condone under-aged drinking. What do you think? Is this in line with the kind of content we want on the wiki? Should I move it into variant rules, or leave it in my sandbox? Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:23, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems fine to me. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Ganteka ==<br />
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Is [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]] still on D&D Wiki, or is he finished with it and left his account running? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I do believe Ganteka is gone for good. He's moved elsewhere, if I'm not mistaken. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 04:18, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Was he the one that created the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)| Wolfkin Race]]? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:57, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::It appears to have been originally made by an unregistered contributor (an IP), but was worked on by [[User:Kernac|Kernac]]. I don't believe Ganteka made any edits to it at all, other than undoing what appears to have been some vandalism. You could always ask any questions on the relevant talk page, rather than Green Dragon's personal talk page. It'd be more likely to be answered by someone with more information. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 20:13, 9 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Do [[Add Instructions]] and [[Special:Contributions/Ganteka]] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:36, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When was the [[Wolfkin (4e Race)]] created? Because I only looked at the first page of Ganteka's contributions. <br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:37, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Use the "History" tab. The first edit was Oct 21, 2008, and Ganteka's only contribution was Feb 26, 2009, when he undid vandalism. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Incomplete Quest ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:A New World (3.5e Quest)#Stub]]. <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:27, 10 June 2010 (UTC)</small><br />
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== Lock down? ==<br />
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While I was doing D&D Wiki yesterday, I tried submitting something, and it just kicked me out, and I couldn't get back in. Is the reason for this is because now there are pictures for like Green Dragon's talk page, and contributions and so on? If anyone could tell me what happened, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:01, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hmmm, I do not know what happened if you were simply barred from the site, that seems a little bit odd. However if you were just getting the message 'the wiki is down' or something of the like, that has been happening a number of times recently. However the time you are mentioning it is most likely that the wiki went down for temporary maintenance to restore the pictures. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:18, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, That's probably it. Thanks.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:07, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== I'd like to hear from you about reopening the tavern ==<br />
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As I asked you earlier on you talk page, I was wondering about re-opening the tavern. It's been over a week without hearing from you, so I made a discussion to ask the community their thoughts. I'm polling the community to see if we would like to have one again. Here is where you come in. If you have some time (it shouldn't take more than a few minutes), stop by [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|the discussion]] and post your thoughts. I look forward to hearing from you on this one. Thanks, [[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:52, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:42, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::So it's been over a month and a half since this discussion was started (on your talk page, I might add), but you've not yet chimed in. Since you're online now, I thought I might be able to get your attention by reminding you I'd like your opinion. We started a discussion thread (linked [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]) and the community seems to embrace the idea; the current vote is about 5 to 1, in favor (I say about, because I don't know that one of the votes "for" is still around). In case you don't want to read all the discussion let me give you the cliff's notes: Free hosting that is run offsite, so as to not tax bandwidth. People want it. We're working on rules too. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 22:09, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Bump. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:52, 13 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== integrated pictures? ==<br />
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Green Dragon?<br />
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Do you know how to integrate pictures into a Race instead of forming a link to it? If you could show me that, that would be nice.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure I know what your talking about. However if you just mean having a picture show rather than a link being formed simply link to the file with these brackets {{}} instead of the normal square ones [[]]. You may have been having trouble because the links to pictures have not been working recently. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:14, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah. That's true. Some links weren't working, so I took them out. These were links for two of my races. But, I still don't understand how I get the files to integrate on the page that I'm working on once I save the page. I just don't know how it would work.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Barnstars ==<br />
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Hey, I'm just wondering what the barnstars are all about. I searched through the site a little bit, and didn't find any talk pages on them. I also did a google search and it came up with it being a decorative item put on barns. I'm just wondering a few things: Why are they given as awards, who can give one, and can I give one to myself (I'm not saying I will, just wondering ''':)''')? Anyways, thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:11, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Does [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Barnstars Wikipedia:Barnstars] answer your questions? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:52, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, it does thanks a lot! I really should have thought of checking wikipedia. ''':P''' That's a lot of different barnstars... think I can get em all? ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:31, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== hi ==<br />
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hi there...it wud seem the tavern is gone...i miss talking to the guys here...<br />
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:There is actually an ongoing discussion on bringing the tavern back [[Discussion:Re-opening_the_tavern%3F_What_does_the_community_think%3F|here]]. If you would like to see it again you may contribute your thoughts and ideas there. However please try to back up your thoughts with logic, that way your contributions can have more merit to them. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:38, 12 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"==<br />
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I currently have a question about a 3.5 edition feat and its rules..<br />
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Knowledge Devotion from "Complete Champion"<br />
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Here is what the feat says in short form:<br />
"You then receive an insight bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls against that creature type for the remainder of the combat. The amount of the bonus depends on your Knowledge check result, as given on the following table..."<br />
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Do these bonuses apply to all weaponlike spells such as Acid Arrow and Ray of Enfeeblement? I'm assuming they do because they require an attack roll and damage roll (if they hit).<br />
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I'm not sure how to check pages on the site anymore, but if you would be kind enough to email me a response at obokuri-eeumi@hotmail.com it would be greatly appreciated. thanks :)<br />
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:Yes they do apply; if you are still checking this page. If not I'll let the e-mail come from GD seeing as you asked him. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:45, 13 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Summon soulblade ==<br />
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I have created the class "Soulknife," and wish to begin creating the powers for my class. However, the power I wish to create is called "Summon Soulblade," a title which, when I entered it into the creation bar, sent me to the "Blades of the Ancestors" power's page. I have tried changing the inputted name to "Call Soulblade," and even "Soul Summoning" (two other possible names for the power). I do not know what to do about this, and are concerned as to why this glitch would occur. Thank you for your time, and I appreciate your patience.<br />
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Sincerely,<br />
Nathanmccarthy789<br />
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== D&D 4e Future ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, do you think that in the 4e Homebrew section, we could either create a seperate 4e Future homebrew section, or that we could just add in future stuff to the 4e homebrew? Just let me know what you think. The rules will be the same as in 4e, but it will be in the future, instead of the past. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What is 4e Future? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::It's just something that I wanted created. It's like Dungeons and Dragons 4.0, but instead of being in the past, it will be situated in the future. It will be basically the same (same rules, different equipment, technologically advanced classes) as D&D 4e. So, yeah. Just let me know what you think of it. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Your thing? You make the call. If you think it is radically different from 4e then please make a new section (maybe starting from [[4e Rules]], e.g. how [[D20.00 decimal Rules (3.5e Variant Rule)]] was intended) or just a page. If you just make a page it will, of course, have to be discussed and could have any result. If you choose to just merge the content into 4e just make sure it works with 4e, and then I don't think it should matter at all. Of course a rule category could help keep it together (or a sourcebook, of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:32, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, it'll use the 4e rules, it just uses different equipment and different classes. Shall I put up a vote?<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:01, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::4e is a rule set, not a time period. 4e Future, unless the core rules are radically different, is just normal 4e. Many 4e adventures are set in the future. In my personal opinion adding a future section is pointless and illogical. Not to start a debate or anything... ''':P''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:50, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Then can I just start inserting futuristic powers, races, classes, and feats?<br />
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::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:53, 16 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Yep, that would work fine! Oh, and sorry if I sounded a little rude with my pointless and illogical thing, I was looking for another way to word it except I had to run. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::It's fine. Do you think that inside each section, that we should have a link? You know, like: D&D 4.0Future races inside the races folder?<br />
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:::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:43, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::Hmmm, thats a good idea. That could be really useful for people playing through 4e campaigns set in the future, so that they don't have to sift through hundreds of past based articles. That sounds like it could even be applied to 3.5e and d20M (however opposite, since most d20M articles are based in the future.). --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:03, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::So, does Green Dragon put in the subcategory, or do I have to do that?<br />
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::::::::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:19, 18 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::You can. Again, if you make a rule or sourcebook about it then it's even more organized of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:49, 19 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::Hmm, I'll try to do the best I can.<br />
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== Losing Articles ==<br />
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No, don't worry, I haven't lost any. However I am wondering, is there any possibility of the wiki losing its articles/pages? I'm asking to know if I should be backing up the stuff I post here on my computer or something just in case. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:It ''has'' happened before, please see also [[Talk:3.5e Flaws#Flaw Form]], but they are going to be recovered. It's not really a problem, no. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The new hosting setup has redundant hardrives so that is one level of protection of making sure nothing can get lost. A backup solution is in the works. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:14, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Base Class Infobox ==<br />
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I've noticed on some pages you've removed the Base Class Infobox Template along with the Base Class template. Was this accidental? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:43, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, they are not used with the 4e classes anymore (just [[Template:x0]]). Although I don't know what you mean by "Base Class template". --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:51, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I meant category. So there's no rating of 4e classes then? And I've been gone a lot the last couple of weeks, where was this announced/talked about? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 20:57, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I actually started removing that template a while ago. Actually, I think you are right. You should start this discussion on [[Talk:4e Classes]]. The only reason this has happened is since I find that the template system works better than rating. It has not been discussed. I removed the template since the primary editor/subsequent editors who display their username are not longer displayed in that way. We now assume that one understands MW (as you know). Although why not use both (the template system and a rating system) huh? It's a different topic. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:07, 20 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==Hiding text==<br />
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Hey! I'm having some trouble finding the correct way to format something. I'd like to find a way to create hidden text on my page, but the formatting articles on wikipedia haven't helped. Is there a way to format hidden text similar to the way you can show or hide a contents box?<br />
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:To create hidden text you can place the text in between these <nowiki><!-- --></nowiki> i.e. <!-- Hello --> (yes there is text there, check the source code). Alternatively you can use <nowiki><includeonly></nowiki> and close with <nowiki></includeonly></nowiki>.<br />
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:If you want to create an option to show or hide a block of text on the page then you may use this code:<br />
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:What that would appear as:<br />
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:{| class="collapsible"<br />
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:Hope that helps, I'm pretty good with wiki code if you need help in the future. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks! Collapsible text was indeed what I was looking for, and I figured there was a solution that I just couldn't find. Also, I'm very new to the wiki scene and navigation is still pretty alien to me, so thanks for the heads up on my Talk page! --[[user:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 16:13, 23 June 2010<br />
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== Blocking IP ==<br />
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For the first time since I became an admin, I've blocked a couple IP's. Hope I did it within acceptable parameters. I am pretty sure they were both outside link spammers. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 17:49, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:They look fine, except I would have blocked them longer. But whatever. If it happens again we can do it for a more extended period of time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Moving pages ==<br />
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I am currently moving all of the DnD pages to their corresponding editions according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list (all pages starting with DnD). However some pages that start with DnD are edition neutral. Should I move these to 3.5e/4e, or just leave them as DnD? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 00:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:What pages are edition independent? I could be wrong, but I would guess that most pages are (or should be) slightly different, depending on the edition. If there are truly edition independent pages I would say leave them as "DnD". Just my 2 cents. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 01:07, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I have actually run into a number of pages that apply to both editions. A few examples would be [[DnD Discussion]], [[DnD Maps]], and [[DnD Guidelines]]. The breadcrumb and categories links to both editions. The page that brought this up was [[DnD Guideline Preload]]. I was getting ready to move it to 3.5e, and I checked the [[DnD Guidelines]] page just to make sure it was for 3.5e and so that I could change the link on that page to 3.5e not DnD. Oh look! It links to both 3.5e and 4e. Anyways, just showing you what I mean. ''':)'''--[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I don't know much about DnD 4e, so everything I am about to say may be wrong. With that in mind, here are my thoughts. Discussions are generally about rules, which vary widely between 3.5e and 4e, so we should probably make edition specific ones, so we can provide more exact help. If someone say "how does barbarian rage work?" we have to find out what edition they mean (I assume barbarians still rage in 4e), and then provide help. If it was posted in 4e Discussions we'd not have that problem. Maps I suppose can go wherever, but if they are maps for an adventure/campaign, we could certainly stick them under the edition for which the campaign/quest was written. As for guidelines, it should probably me moved to something like "Wiki Guidelines", as it has nothing to do with actual DnD. Again, these are just my thoughts. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:04, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ya, you're right. Feel free to make a 4e one, add an edition identifier in some way, and move the 4e ones over. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Can't Log In ==<br />
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I was trying to save a response to [[User:Jazzman831|Jazzman]]'s comment on the talk for the [[Mundus (3.5e Class)|mundus]], however when I hit save it said there was a loss of session data and I should try again. I tried twice more and it gave me the same message. It also told me if this error persisted I could log out then back in again, so I logged out. However when I tried to log back in again it gave me this message:<br />
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''"Login error<br><br />
''There seems to be a problem with your login session; this action has been canceled as a precaution against session hijacking. Please hit "back" and reload the page you came from, then try again."<br />
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I hit the back button, reloaded the page, and tried again twice. Still nothing. I am unable to log back in to my account. --[[Special:Contributions/206.45.30.209|206.45.30.209]] 18:08, 25 June 2010 (UTC)([[User:Vrail|Vrail]])<br />
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:Ok, I just tried to log in a third time and it worked. That was weird, do you know what happened there? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 19:12, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Actually D&D Wiki maxed out the server's hard disk space, so maybe that had something to do with it. If not I don't know. But I cleared up some space. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:22, 25 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Out of curiosity, what kind of space are we talking here? Would it be worth it have a fundraiser to buy an additional hard drive (or hard drives, depending on how/if you back stuff up)? Storage comes cheap nowadays. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:18, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hosting was switched once again (see also [[User talk:Green Dragon#Trouble with the wiki]]) and space should not be a problem. Since the server failure, actually, D&D Wiki was moved to a hosting setup with mt (mediatemple) so doing a fundraiser for such things is not possible. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:18, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Anti Vandalism Barnstar ==<br />
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I feel that Vrail deserves an Anti Vandalism Barnstar because of he is always removing spam and unwanted or offensive post from the site. I figured that i would nominate him to you. Thank you for reading and i hope that you consider him.--[[User:Grim914|Grim914]] 17:27, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, I agree. Please feel free to give [[User:Vrail|Vrial]] one. Barnstars are given by anyone to anyone. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Deletion? ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Why hasn't my [[Displacer Disciple Powers (4e Power List)| Displacer Disciple]] power lists been deleted? I have two of them, both up for deletion, I think. The other one is [[Displacer Disciple powers (4e Power List)]]. I created them. Could you also delete the [[Fell Knight Necross (4e Power List)]]? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:17, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No one has gone through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]? I can say I have not recently. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:31, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I was going to but I have been really busy the last month-ish. And the couple days I had some free time the wiki has been slow/inaccessible. But it's not like the world's going to end if your pages don't get deleted; they'll be gotten to eventually. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 19:34, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ah, okay. Sorry for bothering you. ''':)''' --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::It will get dealt with though, no worries. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:14, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPL Problem ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, When you go into the D&D 4e races, there's just coding there. Is this because D&D Wiki was moved? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:09, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Ya, it is. The dpl's (dpl, dpl2c, dpl2cu, etc) are not working. They will soon though, don't worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok! Thanks for letting me know. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 19:40, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== The Site Crashed ==<br />
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How long are it going to be like this?<br />
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:[[Help:Talk Pages| Just a heads up here, don't forget to sign your posts.]] Thanks,<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== File Problems ==<br />
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Lately I've had a lot of trouble uploading pictures for my campaign setting. In particular, I've run into an error when creating the thumbnail for the images I upload, which would be excellent to have displayed on my pages.<br />
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"''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''" is an example of the problem I'm having. I've tried uploading the image again, but to no avail. Should I try to change the file type of the image on my computer and upload a third time, or is there a solution I don't know about?<br />
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While I've got your attention, is it appropriate of me to be directing all of my questions to you? I get the impression that you are bombarded with questions regularly, and while I would direct them to someone with a little less on their plate, I don't really know how to go about finding that person. [[User:ThatGuyEli|ThatGuyEli]] 17:46, 5 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Hello again. I was just curious about D&D Wiki Media. It seems that thumbnails are no longer showing up when new images are uploaded. Instead, the following error message appears. ''Error creating thumbnail: libgomp: Thread creation failed: Resource temporarily unavailable''. Is this an internal problem? --[[User:Akherontis|Akherontis]] 07:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I had a similar problem, but only when trying to decrease the size of an image, keeping the size the same or larger the image showed up. Might this work in the mean time until this is working again if it is an internal problem? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 08:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::In a few weeks when D&D Wiki gets moved problems, like this, should get worked on as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Hey Green Dragon, I just went onto D&D Wiki Media Repository, and I found out that most of the new pictures aren't working. Do you know what's wrong? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Hey Green Dragon? I tried to upload a picture, but it said that "the directory (public) could not be written by the webserver" or something like that. What's goin on? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:22, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Is this ever gonna get fixed? I would like to upload more pictures for some armor I'm gonna create (I've already created 1 armor). --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:17, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Images and uploading are now working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Wiki troubles ==<br />
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I see you are fixing redirects/fixing links. What's our progress on dpls, images, tables and whatnot? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:14, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, also, what does it take to build a bot? I don't know much about programming, but it seems like it shouldn't take much to program a bot to fix the DnD links. Do you know some resource about bot-building? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::My wiki skills are minimal, but my research skills are astounding. Will [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/API.php#APIs_for_bots this link] help? It looks like we might be able to build an anti-spam bot, and a redirector bot with relative ease. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:20, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::With regard to the problems of the moving of D&D Wiki, they will be fixed soon. To the best of my knowledge right now the DPL's, DPL2CU's, DPL2C's, Odd-Even, SMW with regard to displaying links, and a few table things (vardefine &mdash; [[Template:Spell]]?). And the reinstalling of imagemagik again (as said above). Do you know of anything else? And API (http://www.dandwiki.com/w/api.php) is a great tool. A few other options exist too of course. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:31, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::When you say "soon", are we thinking soon means "24 hours", "within a week", or "about a month"? Just looking for an estimate on when we can see the wiki up at full capacity again. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::(Edit conflict) The Semantic stuff isn't working either, I think. Do you have a timetable? [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:44, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::When you say "''Semantic stuff isn't working either''" do you just mean the links, or am I missing anything? And I do not have a timetable. Soon, is what I'll say I guess. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:36, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::Well, it seems to be working now, so I may have spoken too soon. Very recently I saw links that looked like <nowiki>[[3e Prerequisite::Such and so]]</nowiki>, but I just browsed some pages and they seem to be formatted correctly now. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:08, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::I know what you're talking about, I saw them earlier too. I looked for them again, before posting the above, and couldn't find them either. Dunno. Maybe they got fixed as well as the modern dpl's (I think they were not working earlier either). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:35, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I would also like to add that mathematical formulas aren't working either.<br />
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:::::::::As shown there for an example. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 21:34, 6 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== DPLs again? ==<br />
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Hi, one question. The homebrew power lists aren't showing up at the [[4e Powers]]. Is this caused by the DPLs? Thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:01, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yes, it was. I modernized the dpl's so it is no longer a problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:15, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for fixing it! --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 01:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Ya, no problem. If you bring more pages to my attention which use the old DPL's and not the dpl's I would be more than happy to change them. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Yeah, actually, I have one on my talk page (and another one hidden in my [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]]), and just more stuff in my sourcebook. I'll see if there's anymore. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:27, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::There's actually some (maybe only 2, I don't know) in the 4e Homebrew. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Add new equipment? ==<br />
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Can any of you fix this? When I try [[Add New DnD Equipment|Add new Equipment]], It brings me into this 3.5e equipment stuff. Is that the way it's supposed to be? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:19, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The link you provided is for adding [[Add_New_3.5e_Equipment|3.5e Equipment]]. It's designed to add 3.5e Equipment. None of us do much with 4e, and there hasn't been much need to make an official 4e equipment preload yet, I guess. I'm sure someone can set up a pre-load for 4e if you ask. I'd try, but I think an admin has to handle that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:51, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Please feel free. Just no one has made one yet, but one should be present. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::So the page is locked, so I can't edit it to add the "add new" forms that I made, but you can find easy ways to add 4e Armor, Weapons, Magic Items, and Vehicles on [[User:Badger/sandbox6|this page]]. The ones on the far right don't do anything, so don't use those yet. I put them there so when I find more 4e Preloads they will be easy to add. I've not tested any of them, so they may need some tweaking. let me know on my talk page, or here (I'm keeping an eye on both). --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 21:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks for helping me out with this. So, I'll test it out and let you know what happens. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 15:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Tables aren't working ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? Some tables aren't working. Do they have a different DPL than the others? All right, thanks. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 21:53, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Kind of. They use [[Template:d20]] which uses vardefine, which is not working. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Copying from your Userpage ==<br />
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Would you mind if I used the [[User:Green Dragon/Top Template|top template]] on your userpage (with a few minor adjustments) for my own userpage? Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Of course, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:58, 9 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Strange bug ==<br />
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I was just going through and moving some DnD pages to 3.5e (which, btw, after my latest stint I'm almost halfway done, a lot of pages!) when I found a bug. When I tried to access the page [[DnD Archetype Feats]] (Unsure if it was already moved) I couldn't load it, then my internet eventually took me to a page that said there was a DNS error. After that I couldn't load any pages on the wiki. I had to close my internet then reopen it to get the wiki working again. Is this happening for anybody else? What's going on? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 02:24, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Something like that happened to me too. I ended restarting Internet Explorer (which wasn't too bad) in order for it to work. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:23, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Does this still happen? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:57, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Moving DnD pages to 3.5e ==<br />
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Just wanted to let you know that my previous comment was slightly wrong about being halfway done. I was a lot closer than halfway, and just finished moving every single page starting with DnD (according to [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=DnD&to=DnD+zz&namespace=0 this] list) to its corresponding edition. I'll have to check the to-do list, but if this was on it I can check it off. :D<br />
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There are a couple of pages that I did not move. These are protected pages (not many, just a couple preloads), eddition neutral pages (again, only a couple of these exist), and the one page mentioned above that I couldn't get to. Also, I may have forgotten to switch the instructions for one or two preloads on the page they link to. I think I got most of them, but if you find any, please change them. :) --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:34, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon,<br />
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I noticed in the [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion|Candidates for Deletion]] category, that the 4e Future category is going to be deleted and all that stuff moved. Is that really necessary? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:17, 15 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Yup. 4e Future is a sourcebook, not a published SRD, so it needs to be formatted like the other sourcebooks. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 22:33, 16 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Okay. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Sourcebooks ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon, I found that the sourcebooks are still not showing up. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:21, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:[[3.5e_Sourcebooks]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 00:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::4e sourcebooks are using the old DPLs that need to be updated to work. Someone more diligent than I can update them. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:53, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::I went through this morning and fixed the DPLs. Everything shows up properly now. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 19:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Thanks.<br />
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::::--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 22:45, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== A race I posted ==<br />
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I have a question, several months ago I created an article for a homebrew race called the "Heartbound" and it is still not on the list for homebrew races. Is there something I have to do for it to be added to the list? {{unsigned|Firerush}}<br />
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:Fixed. You needed to add [[:Category:Race]]. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 15:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== VariablesExtension ==<br />
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I took the liberty of making [[Template:Spell]] not use VariablesExtension (#vardefine) because the spells were messed up. Of course then I realized that other things are broken too. And I don't have permission to edit those (and I am not sure how well they can be made to work without the extension). —[[User:Edwin|edwin]] 16:08, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I noticed your edits on [[Template:Spell]]. It seems to work the same, so thanks a lot for helping fix that. I would gladly unlock pages if you know how to make them work, however I agree in that some may need #vardefine. For example [[Template:d20]] is not working (which I would gladly unlock if you know how to fix it), or [[Template:Weapon Stats2]] which is not locked. In any case, however, many pages by themselves use #vardefine in the tables, so switching it would be a lot of work. It will be fixed sometime. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:01, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I would think it's a better plan to fix what's broken, instead of finding ways around it. If vardefine is going to be eventually fixed, then there's no need to waste time changing the templates around. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 23:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Vardefine is working once again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Category DnD ==<br />
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Should this page be merged with to Category 3.5e, and then all pages linking to it be changed to say 3.5e rather than DnD? I'm just wondering because all of the DnD pages (that I can find according to the lists I was given) have been moved to say 3.5e, and as far as I can tell the DnD category applies to 3.5e material only. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 16:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:No. It actually is going to be expanded once all pages with [[:Category:DnD]] have [[:Category:3.5e]] (which are for 3.5e) with all [[:Category:4e]] pages, as 4e is an edition of D&D. Although, yes, all the 3.5e dpl's need to be changed to use category=3.5e. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Powers ==<br />
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Um, Green Dragon? My Fell Knight's [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Powers]] don't show up. Is that a problem with the DPLs, or are they gone forever? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:32, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:There's a pretty easy way to find out. Just look for one of the powers, or adjust the dpls to search for something you know exists. As it is, though, the dpls are broken. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 02:48, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Your DPL tables are the old ones that don't work. Switch them to the new versions and it should show up. [[User:Badger/sandbox4|This link]] shows you the kind of DPL you need for everything to show up correctly. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 03:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::The old DPL's are working once again as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:55, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Items ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? Is there supposed to be no magical Items in the Arm Slot, Armor, and Weapon items?<br />
--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 03:23, 21 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Server Error ==<br />
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Often times when I try to load a page on the wiki, it will just load a blank page and say it is done. I then have to reload the page 1-2 times before it shows up. Also, usually when I attempt to save a change it just loads a blank page and doesn't save the change. I then have to hit 'back' on my browser bar and try again 5-6 times before it saves. Is anybody else having a similar problem? Can it be fixed? This is happening on firefox btw, it also happens to me on internet explorer, but it is less often and requires only 1 page reload. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 18:30, 23 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:The issue is the current hosting setup. I just bought a server and it will be running D&D Wiki by the middle of next month. At that time all the problems should be dealt with. See also [[Talk:4e Creatures#Not Working]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:53, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::D&D Wiki is now hosted on my server. Thoughts on the loading times and so now? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Sourcebook Categories ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon? <br />
My [[D&D 4.0 Future (4e Sourcebook)|sourcebook]] weapons (and probably races and every other stuff that I created) is loose in the [[4e Homebrew]]. I figure it's because that they're categorized as 4e. What do I do? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 04:00, 24 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Axl, your creations aren't so much "loose in the 4e Homebrew". In fact, that's exactly where they should be. Maybe you didn't catch what Jazzman wrote [[Talk:Add_New_4e_Future_Implement|here]], or what I wrote [[User_talk:Axl#Problems_with_your_Sourcebook|here]]. Everything that you wrote for your sourcebook needs to be categorized under 4e, and should show up as 4e equipment/armor/weapons/whatever. Everything you've written is considered "4e" not "4e Future". "4e Future" does not exist. Anything labeled "4e Future" needs to be changed to "4e" and anything you added the "formatting issue" template to needs to have that template removed. For example, if you have a piece of armor labeled "4e Future Armor" it needs to be moved to "4e Armor", and anything that says "4e Future Equipment" needs to be moved to "4e Equipment". I hope this is clear. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 06:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That's kind of the reason why I made the sourcebook instead of just creating classes, races, etc that are based in the future put into the 4e classes. There's a conversation with [[User:Vrail|Vrail]] somewhere on this talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:45, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::The section's called D&D 4e Future. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:47, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::What you should have is a category called "4e Future", and tag all of your content with that. What will happen is if you're looking though a list of all the 4e homebrew, you will see 4e and 4e future, but if you click on the 4e future category you will only see 4e future things. You need to write up all of your content exactly as if it was plain old 4e, including leaving it in the regular namespace like (4e_Armor), and then when you're done you need to add <nowiki>[[Category:4e_Future]]</nowiki> to the bottom of the page. Then on all of your DPLs where you want to list your 4e Future creations you need to add the line <nowiki> |category:4e_Future </nowiki> and all of your creations will pop right up, without anything else from 4e. <br />
:::What your sourcebook should do is tell users how to use any and all content tagged with Category:4e_Future. If you aren't making any new rules, you don't even need a sourcebook. The idea behind the sourcebook is to write out how to play a slightly altered system. A sourcebook is nothing more than a collection of variant rules, but if the rules are identical, then you don't need to write it. I hope this is making sense. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I was told to use the category: 4e. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::I thought it was there. I'll check on my talk page. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 00:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::You can use more than one category. You should include both "Category:4e" and "Category:4e_Future". Technically, 4e_future should be a sub-category, but we don't seem to use much in the way of sub-categories on this site, so I wouldn't worry about that. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::::So, how do you make a sub-category? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:53, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== is there a way to delete a page? ==<br />
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I created a page and by talk to me before revisions i meant dont just go right in and revise, hence why im simply going to make the class it was on my own laptop and take it off of this site? is there a way to do that?<br />
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:Your English is a bit wacked above, but I'm assuming what you're trying to say is that you created an article, and another user contributed to it. If the article is good quality with contributions from you and the other(s) than it will not be deleted. There is a very clear warning every time someone edits letting them know about this collaborative nature of a wiki. If it is in horrible condition, left incomplete, and unplayable, than anyone can tag it with the delete template, where an admin will eventually get around to it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:29, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::That may have been me editing your article. I generally post on the discussion page and discuss things before making a change. However, I noticed a class with grammar issues similar to those in your above comment. I spent a while fixing the grammar, sorry if this disturbed you. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 22:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Admin Badge ==<br />
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I was looking around a bit on the wiki and noticed references to an admin badge. I had never seen it so I looked around for it, and realized it had been deleted. Then I looked around for something discussing ''why'' it was deleted, apparently that discussion was on the template's talk page and was deleted to. This was a little bit frustrating. So I was wondering, why was it removed? Also, could the reasoning for its deletion be re added somewhere for reference? It seems a little bit strange that the page discussing its deletion was deleted as well. Thanks! --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 03:19, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Talk pages of deleted pages are always deleted as well. Why was it deleted? [[Special:ListAdmins]] was used on [[Meta Pages]] to let people know of a list of admins, and as such the use of that template was nonexistent. As an aesthetic taste thing anyone could make one I guess, just not in a template form (an admin can restore and move of course). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::Good to know, thanks for the quick and well informed response. ''':)''' Do you think it would be worth it to post the reasoning for removing the admin badge somewhere (such as on the [[Special:ListAdmins]] page or the like), or do to little people even care/know about it? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::That's a special page and cannot be modified. If you give me a link to the page I can re-delete it explaining the deletion more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:41, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Alright, I was unsure if as the sites owner you could edit special pages or not. Anyways, here's the link <s>Template:AdminBadge</s>. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 04:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Backend I am sure, but is that really necessary? How does that sound? Does that get the point across and make it less confusing? I am assuming that if one cares they will check the deleted page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 04:55, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== More broken wiki ==<br />
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I'm not sure what's different about these pages, but none of the Random Ability Order templates are working right. See, eg, <s>Template:Random Ability Order - Table 7</s>. They are all like that. [[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 21:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Most likely that was a problem associated with the wiki syntax and not anything MW related. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:52, 16 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Xenophon's RfA ==<br />
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I noticed in the rfa's that Xenophon's rfa was approved, and he was never renominated. This would be normal except for the fact that he is not on the admin list. Just wondering what's up with that? --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 05:00, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I re-did that section of [[Requests for Adminship]]. Does that explain the Xenophon scenario? Is that is unjust (a different process should be done &mdash; that is now not a policy, it just happened)? Is there anything I missed? Is it easier to understand? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:02, 2 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== author template ==<br />
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I am having the darnedest time figuring out the syntax to use for the author template and this page doesn't help explain anything: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Template:Author<br />
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Following what I've found on others' contributions and the syntax displayed on the template, the closest thing I have come up with is this:<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
|<nowiki>[[User:Mercurious|Mercurious]]([[User talk:Mercurious|talk]])</nowiki><br />
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but instead of displaying my linked name and linked talk, it just displays the suggested syntax with the {{{}}} around author_name.<br />
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I've tried looking everywhere I could to not bother anyone, but I'm just plain stuck and some help would be great.<br />
thanks,<br />
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:The author name doesn't work the way you are doing it; see my correction below (in bold). It actually already adds the formatting, so you don't have to do it yourself.<br />
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<nowiki>{{author</nowiki><br />
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:[[User:Jazzman831|Jazz]][[User talk:Jazzman831|Man]] 16:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Thank you, Jazzman!<br />
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== 4e Power List Preload ==<br />
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Green Dragon? Do you mind if I update the 4e Power List Preload to the new DPLs? --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:55, 3 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Not at all, please do. That has to be done huh. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I'll get right on it then. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:58, 6 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::Well, I finished quite a while ago. But I haven't tested it out yet. But there's one problem. These new DPLs are going wacky. I don't know what's going on. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 17:31, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::::Looking at [[Enchanter Powers (4e Power List)]], for example, it seems fine. Unless you mean you want to add a parameter like <tt><code>|rowcolformat</code></tt>. Could you supply a link to what you are talking about? An example I can think of is [[Featured Articles]], where the dpl displays <html><a href="/wiki/PAGE" title="Talk:PAGE">Talk:PAGE</a></html>. Is it something like this? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:36, 7 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Let's see, I don't think I added anything to the Enchanter's powers, so it's fine there, but if you look at the [[Fell Knight Powers (4e Power List)|Fell Knight's]] powers, it's going wacky. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 23:53, 9 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Yeah! Something like that. It just shows the webpage text, it doesn't show the link. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 02:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Kobold's ==<br />
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While browsing this wiki I noticed on the 'Talk:Stone of Monster Summoning (3.5e Equipment)' page you implied that Kobolds are unintellegent idiots. <br />
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Have you not read the 'Races Of The Dragon' supplement? One of my favourite characters of mine was a wise, and INTELLEGENT kobold sorceror. Also I you look Kobolds don't have any penalties for any of the Mental abilities. It is just a prejudice, created when the 'Civilised races' sided with the Kobolds enemy the gnomes. <br />
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I do also take into account that they do the bidding of dragons. In the Neverwinter Nights expansion pack 'Shadows Of Undertide' Deekin my favourite team-mate of all time chooses to go stop following his master. <br />
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Still other then that you have been spot on keep up the good work.<br />
--[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 07:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:I believe what you are referring to is this: ''(Kobolds coming up with something like that, wow!)''. However earlier he also implied that kobolds are exceptionally smart by the plan that they thought of in this theoretical situation. Basically I think he was saying this just to show they are not quite as smart as earlier implied. A spectacular plan like that and the knowledge of those stones, how to get them, work them, and implement them would often have required a creature with an intelligence bonus. So in this case GD is just showing that they don't have an intelligence bonus, rather than saying they are unintelligent. Hope that clears things up. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:29, 10 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Yes this does clear it up thanks. I guess I was just so angry, I didn't think. --[[User:Milo v3|Milo High-Hill]] 01:39, 16 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Speedy Deletion Template ==<br />
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So it seems the spammers are getting smarter. They are now creating accounts, and making new pages rather than just spamming old ones. People like Vrail and I revert the edits, but that is leaving blank pages on the wiki. We should get a "Speedy Deletion" template to put on these pages. It would be the same as a delete template, but the idea is it only goes on pages that need to be deleted right away. It could be used for re-directs, and other pages made by accident too. Because admins wouldn't have to judge the merit on the page, it would also be easier to maintain the list, once a week you could just stop by and delete everything. I can mock up a speedy deletion template if you'd like. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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:Seems like a good idea to me. --[[User:Axl|Axl]] 20:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)<br />
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::I went ahead and made a template, let me know what you think. [[User:Badger/sandbox11|Here]] it is. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 18:24, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Plz Help ==<br />
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I created a class and now when I tried to make a link to the page for it it took me to another persons class and if you search for it in the search bar the same persons page comes up not mine is their a way for me to move the page or change its name because I can't seem to figure it out also can you help me with the lvl table on the page I'm not the best formatter.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:37, 19 August 2010<br />
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:From what I can tell you are talking about [[Red_Mage,_Variant_(3.5e_Class)|your red mage class]]. It should be known that your class is named" Red Mage, Variant (3.5e Class)", because as you mentioned, a class named Red Mage already exists. So be sure to use that name when making links. If you want to change the name, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to move the entire page to a new name; just make sure that name isn't already in use. If you're still having troubles with tables, I can try to help you out. You can always just open up another class' page, and look at how they did it. --[[User:Badger|Badger]] 00:49, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Also... ==<br />
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Also does anyone know a group in the milwuaki area of portland oregon that plays 3.5e and is willing to accept new members. If so leave a note on my talk page or send me and email at dragoona22@hotmail.com put D&D on the suject plz thank you.<br />
--[[User:Dragoona22|Dragoona22]] 23:53, 19 August 2010<br />
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== My RfA ==<br />
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Recently I nominated myself for adminship on the wiki. I don't want to sound like I'm advertising my nomination, however it has been three days without any support or oppose comments. I am just trying to get at least a few people to take notice and comment. My nomination may be found [[Requests for Adminship/Vrail|here]]. Thanks. --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 11:16, 18 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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:I was just recomended by [[User:Badger|Badger]] to contact you or another admin about getting my RfA on a news feed. I still have no support or oppose comments, and while the neutral comments are good, it would be nice to have another few users comment one way or the other. ''':)''' --[[User:Vrail|Vrail]] 15:16, 19 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Variant Guardian, Templates ==<br />
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:''Discussion moved to [[Talk:Guardian, Variant (3.5e Class)#Abandoned]].'' <small>--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:30, 4 October 2010 (MDT)</small><br />
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== (class) shroud ==<br />
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Hi I was wanting to know is you could tell me who made the shroud class or more about its skills or if its been abandon if you know thanks --Columbus a.k.a R.I.R 21:51, 25 August 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== ... ==<br />
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I won't tell you which name... but one of your names contains my actual name lol.<br />
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== 4e Sizes ==<br />
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Hey Green Dragon (or anyone else that knows the answer),<br />
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:I would like to know what are the penalty and benefits to being size Large and up to Colossal. Thanks,<br />
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'''Note:''' I do not have the rule books. That is why I'm asking here.<br />
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--[[User:Axl|Axl]] 16:09, 27 September 2010 (MDT)<br />
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== Little hiccup on a page. ==<br />
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Hello Green Dragon. I was just leveling my druid yesterday when I noticed a discrepancy on a page of the site, on (http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Druid#Animal_Companion) it says that crocodiles are available to first level druids, whereas further down in the "Alternative Animal Companions" section it states that they are available at as an alternate candidate for the druid's animal companion at level four. I thought I'd let yah know since I checked in the 3.5 PHB and it said that it's not allowed to be used as a level one druid pet (for aquatic environments), unfortunately.<br />
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Taa.<br />
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== Some guidance please? ==<br />
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I've been trying to get the formatting right on my creation Eykanos Drakulzen since i created it. i've rewritten it about 10 times including direct copy/pasting and redoing to hold my info. the skills will not format correctly. please help.<br />
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== very old dnd forum posts—lost ==<br />
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I had made some races on the old DND boards, and decided to do a google search to see if I could find them again (I lost the computer they were originally written on)<br />
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Anyway, searching for one of my races (shatterskin) brought me here. Unfortunately you guys hadn't logged it, and it's no longer backed up on the wizard's boards either. So I was curious—do you have some sort of archive from the old wizards boards? I'd love to see some of my old posts if you have them. Oh, and I'd be totally cool with anything I made being posted here (I might modify them to make them suck less though)<br />
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you can email me at dustin.depenning@gmail.com if you need too<br />
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== Thank You =) ==<br />
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Thanks for the reply. I understand fully your situation and thanks for permission to base some 'Trickster' class features from the 'Tenken'(No plagiarism of course), And ill be sure to let you know when its finished so you can check it out.<br />
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== Uploading Media ==<br />
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How do I add a picture from the file "my pictures"? {{Unsigned|Raweno|21:11, 9 October 2010 (UTC)}}<br />
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:You upload the file to media, [[dndmedia:Special:Upload|Special:Upload]] and then use the standard wiki link syntax on a page you want to display it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:20, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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Okay, thanks. --[[User:Raweno|Raweno]]<br />
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== 3.5 Deity The Great Mon Gorge ==<br />
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Hi, I noticed a few changes to one of my contributions, I had left that note on the main page to draw attention to the kind act of the user who drew that (he did it without prompting and its really good, was very thankful) and I can understand moving that to the talk page, but the removal of 'The" from the deities name is in error, 'The" is part of his name and other things reference the use of the "The" (for example the main pantheon page his coffin is referred to T.G.M.G.) If you could change it back I would be thankful, im kinda new to wiki editing (ive been poking at it for some time but still slow) otherwise id just change it back myself. Thank you for keeping an eye on my pages I appreciate that too. --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 20:28, 9 October 2010 (PST)<br />
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:[[User:Kaden|Kaden]] is the uploader of the image. The history for the image and kadens name give a direct, non-discussion, relation to contributions. Anyhow, how does the pagename look now? You move pages by clicking the "move" tab up top. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 October 2010 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh yeah thats perfect, thanks for the change and the advice on edits :) --[[User:MCage|MCage]] 23:46, 9 October 2010 (PST)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=D%26D_Wiki:Requests_for_Adminship/Aarnott2&diff=427186D&D Wiki:Requests for Adminship/Aarnott22009-12-04T02:58:44Z<p>Aarnott: /* Aarnott2 */</p>
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:[[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2|Aarnott]][[User:Aarnott|'s]] Nomination. [[Image:No mark.svg.png|20px]] '''Failed.''' <br />
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'''[{{fullurl:Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2|action=edit}} Voice your opinion]'''<br />
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:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions to D&D Wiki, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Although I ended up unbanning myself this user lost control and banned the person in charge of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:48, 20 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I just so happened to come by here again (looking for a terrible old optimized build I had made) to see this page linked from the Main page. I think it would probably be worthwhile if I clarified my reasoning behind my actions; if only for posterity. It is an unfair accusation to say that I lost control: my actions were deliberate and most importantly, rational. Here is how it played out from my point of view:<br />
:*A large majority of the active user base were discussing implementation of a site-wide rating system. This would allow us to have more control on highlighting the highest quality articles and putting the worse ones in a position where they can be improved. This group of people (myself included although not nearly as actively) were very excited about this project to improve the website.<br />
:*The proposal went through months of active discussion over how to best implement it.<br />
:*A final workable idea sat on your talk page for around 3 weeks.<br />
:*A user decided to start implementing the framework for this rating system.<br />
:*You deleted the framework.<br />
:*He asked (paraphrased) "Why did you delete that?". It was probably phrased a bit abrasively knowing the user, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.<br />
:*You banned him and made some response that was difficult to decipher.<br />
:*Another user, whom I consider to be both an excellent homebrewer as well as a calm, reasonable person, asked (paraphrased again) "Why did you ban him?". Her question was definitely not worded in an abrasive way and was, in fact, very diplomatic.<br />
:*You banned her and made another response that was difficult to understand.<br />
:*I saw this activity and entered the chat client to see what was going on. I assumed that the bans had something to do with activity in there because your actions made no sense. Nope, you weren't in the tavern, and you hadn't been in there.<br />
:*I realized at this point there were two possibilities: either you had lost control and gone on some power trip or someone had hacked your account somehow (which I honestly believed to be more likely at the time given our history before this).<br />
:*I made the decision that by banning you and making an appropriate ban message, I could solve both problems at once. I would stop a hacker from doing any serious damage and I would email you to let you know that your account had been hacked. Otherwise, I could send you a message (which would be in the reason for banning, which you would certainly read) asking you to cool down and come back after you had cleared your head (I knew full well you had database access). If I attempted to post this message on your talk page, I risked the hacker banning me as well, so this solution seemed to be the best one.<br />
:I hope that my explanation at least vindicates my actions somewhat. Admittedly, I may have been better off not acting so quickly and let the situation play out more. I'm not sure though. If your password had been stolen, some serious damage could have been done to the site. I was acting in the best interest of the community and that is the job I signed up to do when I became an admin. I don't think I lost control.<br />
:I think that is the big misunderstanding all of the active users at that time had with you. We were under the impression that this wiki was a community project like any other wiki is. What it actually is, is a private website that so happens to have media wiki on it. It was a big misunderstanding. We wanted a place where we could create the best D&D homebrew environment possible and have the community decide the best way to do that. It would have been helpful to know that this website is not that.<br />
:Have I done some immature things since these events took place? Certainly. I am still upset about the misunderstanding. I devoted a lot of my time and energy to this wiki. All of the stupid stuff I did afterward had to do with Hooper, however.<br />
:I have already emailed this information to you before privately and I thought we were on good terms. You choice of words prompted me to reply publicly. I'm not sure why you would want to demonize me; it doesn't really matter. I just hope this stops any future bridges from being burned with other people I may run into in the future. I really don't like burning bridges.<br />
:If anyone replies to this, please use the MoI tool to message me. I don't use this wiki anymore except on rare circumstances where I want to look up some old junk I wrote. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:49, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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::On all blocks please look at the main reason (current and/or logical reason). Aka 21:09, 25 August 2009 "''Edit war on FA main''" for Surgo instead of say 21:34, 9 August 2009 "''Unacceptable username: Please email me if you are confused about this at all.''" (unblock at 22:50, 11 August 2009). Please refer to the reasons on [[Special:Ipblocklist]] and the block log if needed.<br />
::Sure, if that is how you look at it. D&D Wiki, as always, fulfils the to ''"create the best D&D homebrew environment possible"''. A democracy is not needed for that; as you should know. This is not a democracy. Stated on wikipedia's policies and seen how by how this is run. Votes are only used when implemented or agreed on by me; although they are used.<br />
::As I said countless times the system some people wanted to implement was riddled with failure and would decrease D&D Wiki as a whole; you need to learn to listen and read what others post. Having a large base of people wanting the same thing does not make it more logical or helpful.<br />
::"''made some response that was difficult to decipher''" "''and made another response that was difficult to understand.''" normally should mean to your brain to decipher it &mdash; reasons can be complicated. The world is not black and white.<br />
::The tavern had, as always, no say in anything on D&D Wiki in any form. You should have known that as an admin.<br />
::I never spammed an edit. Please post the edits I did which are in question which you are refering to: I can already tell you you are wrong. If you cannot understand an edit of mine then do not respond as such. I would like to reference the above again "''"made some response that was difficult to decipher" "and made another response that was difficult to understand." normally should mean to your brain to decipher it &mdash; reasons can be complicated. The world is not black and white.''" Stupidity should never win; both in this instance and in the "Rating Committee" instances. Also as a rule of thumb.<br />
::"''If you cannot understand an edit of mine then do not respond as such.''" should be noted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::Thanks for your reply Green Dragon. I would like to preface this response by saying that what I write is my opinion and I would appreciate it if you would forgo the banhammer until this discussion is resolved (even if what I say is upsetting). I will attempt to avoid being derogatory, but I cannot promise that I won't be accusatory. This is my perspective on a rather difficult situation after all.<br />
:::Your reasoning concerning the block log is fair enough (although I don't see how Sulacu's ban was considered intimidating behaviour/harassment). That being said, at the time, you did not provide a good reason and from my perspective, that meant your actions could have been from a hacker. Sure, you have updated the reasons now, but it really didn't make sense then.<br />
:::I also agree that a democracy is not needed to have a successful wiki. Wikipedia is not a democracy, but it is also not a dictatorship. Dictatorships are fine and all but you should have been up front about that. Wikipedia operates as a community project. Yes, it is not a democracy, but I can certainly tell you that there is not a single person that says "my way or the highway". Keep in mind that my actions were under the assumption that this website ran under the same principles as wikipedia. It doesn't.<br />
:::I also agree that when a large majority of people say something is a good idea, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is. However, when a large majority of active users and admins (the people who run the community) think that something is a good idea, then it would benefit the community to give it a try. We disagreed with your reasons for why it wouldn't work. It was a matter of the opinions of the site owner against the opinions of the majority of the active community. A community driven website would have sided with the community.<br />
:::I again agree that the Tavern had no bearing of the goings on of the actual wiki decisions. I never said that. The only thing I mentioned about the Tavern is that I went in there to see if you had a more rational reason for banning them. I wouldn't have agreed completely with banning based on activities in the Tavern, but at least I would have understood your rationale.<br />
:::Now I don't know why you think I accused you of spamming an edit. First off, what is "spamming an edit" mean? I really am doing my best to try to understand what you wrote, but a (nearly completed) degree in English just doesn't seem to be enough. What I did say is that I am upset that you would accuse me of losing control and going wild with my admin rights. I also said that I thought were were on good terms considering that we resolved this properly through email, so I didn't understand your motives for attacking my character.<br />
:::Concerning my lack of understanding with your edits, I really don't think that is my fault. I work as a technical writer. I understand the importance of clarity when I write, but I also spend a lot of my time fixing work that is unclear. When I run across something I cannot understand at all, odds are, nobody else can understand it besides the actual writer.<br />
:::To sum up my stance: my actions were reasonable considering my misunderstanding of how this wiki is run as well as the lack of communication on your part concerning your reasoning for banning users. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:32, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::Actually their is a person named Jimmy Wales. Ever heard of him?<br />
::::And D&D Wiki is not a dictatorship either. As it is not a democracy it is not a dictatorship. Their are many an instance where, although I may disagree fullheartedly, that does happen. I am person where, although I may disagree, I will still allow it to happen (the logo cannot be changed by any front-end way) if more logical or so (depending). The logo (the thing in the upper left hand corner) is a prime example. Please see the related discussions and vote, and my votes.<br />
::::The small group of people related to the strange system are not "majority" to note. I agree people are important, however sometimes other things take precedents. The Tavern, it its current state, is a prime example. Although many people complain about it not being up-and-running (people) logic (immaturity) and money (depending) think otherwise. Do you finally understand? <br />
::::"''I went in there to see if you had a more rational reason for banning them.''" if it has no bearing on D&D Wiki then why would what I say their do anything as such?<br />
::::"spamming an edit" since "spam" is not English it can be used for understanding. Spamming (the act of spaming something &mdash; the edit; to the best of my knowledge).<br />
::::I write in English. If you cannot understand my English then maybe a different line of work would be more suited.<br />
::::It is never acceptable to ban me. If my account was hacked then email me. I can change the password back-end (to note, and very '''important''': although I can change ones password (myself referenced before) ones password is encrypted and scrambled with an algorithm so people with back-end privileges cannot see it &mdash; just change it). Rolling back edits (&bot=1) is easier then anything. You as an admin in that time should know that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:18, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::::It should be noted that this "months of discussion on a site-wide rating system" was not held between as many users as some thing. A lot of those talks were held in the Tavern, and not all users were privy to them. However, much discussion was held on wiki side and can still be found for those looking for it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:38, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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::::::Tavern talk is unrelated to any proceeding on D&D Wiki. Actually were was this discussed? I would like links to all talk on the recent changes committee. Also, again again to note no one said anything to:<br />
::::::"''Sorry I was away on vacation for a bit. Personally I am of the opinion to remove the entire rating system from the classes and just treat them like all other homebrew material. Use the [[Meta Pages#Improving, Reviewing, and Removing Articles]] system and call it good. Why do we need to add a numerical or word based rating system for the classes when instead we can use a combination of a reviewing, explaining, and page based system? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:13, 7 July 2009 (MDT)''"<br />
::::::You need to answer things not skirt around the topic, if I remember correctly. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:46, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Jimmy Wales used to be a dictator, but that wasn't useful for a community project. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation]. I think this argument is going to go back and forth because we differ in our opinions, so I am going to make my last point and leave it here: when a single person has the power to veto anything and then exercises that power, they are a dictator. Just because you happen to let some issues slide doesn't take away your status as dictator.<br />
:::::::"The small group of people related to the strange system are not "majority" to note". I will argue the 90/10 rule here. 10% of the users are responsible for 90% of the activity. This rule is true for almost any active wiki. The users that were in favor of the rating committee were a large portion of that 10%. They represented 90% of the wiki activity. It is my belief that a good community values the decisions of its active members. I understand that you believe differently, so we can also leave this point aside since it will also just go back and forth.<br />
:::::::Again, I have no idea what you mean by "spamming an edit". I don't think I accused you of doing it though seeing as I have no idea what it even means. Your explanation has just confused me further. Seriously. This quotation just doesn't make sense: {{quote|"spamming an edit" since "spam" is not English it can be used for understanding. Spamming (the act of spaming something &mdash; the edit; to the best of my knowledge).|orig=Green Dragon}}<br />
:::::::I banned you in order to avoid a hacker causing damage. I assumed more damage can be done than just messing up pages by a user with bureaucrat access. Immediate action seemed both necessary and justified.<br />
:::::::Just to briefly respond to Hooper, I barely went in the Tavern. I went in there maybe once a month -- feel free to scour the logs to check that claim. The discussion that went on for months did happen outside of the tavern for most of what I was involved in I believe.<br />
:::::::Anyways, I think this discussion has derailed significantly from its initial purpose and that's all I was really interested in responding to. Unless anyone has any further questions about why I decided to ban Green Dragon, I don't have anything else to say. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 19:58, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Still to soon after the recent wiki drama. I don't believe Aarnott has regained the trust of the community or Green Dragon at this time. -- [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 01:35, 22 November 2009 (MST) <br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; In both the best interest of the future of this site, and the personal disinterest that Aarnott now has, it would be best for both parties to move on. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:46, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Some of the actions I have noted by this user do not seem to be for the over all good of this wiki. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:32, 24 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Neutral''' &mdash; I've seen Aarnott do some pretty helpful things, but I've also seen what's gone on in the late drama. Either way it works out, I hope it turns out for the best. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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[[Category:Requests for Adminship]]</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=D%26D_Wiki:Requests_for_Adminship/Aarnott2&diff=427172D&D Wiki:Requests for Adminship/Aarnott22009-12-04T00:32:25Z<p>Aarnott: /* Aarnott2 */</p>
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Although I ended up unbanning myself this user lost control and banned the person in charge of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:48, 20 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I just so happened to come by here again (looking for a terrible old optimized build I had made) to see this page linked from the Main page. I think it would probably be worthwhile if I clarified my reasoning behind my actions; if only for posterity. It is an unfair accusation to say that I lost control: my actions were deliberate and most importantly, rational. Here is how it played out from my point of view:<br />
:*A large majority of the active user base were discussing implementation of a site-wide rating system. This would allow us to have more control on highlighting the highest quality articles and putting the worse ones in a position where they can be improved. This group of people (myself included although not nearly as actively) were very excited about this project to improve the website.<br />
:*The proposal went through months of active discussion over how to best implement it.<br />
:*A final workable idea sat on your talk page for around 3 weeks.<br />
:*A user decided to start implementing the framework for this rating system.<br />
:*You deleted the framework.<br />
:*He asked (paraphrased) "Why did you delete that?". It was probably phrased a bit abrasively knowing the user, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.<br />
:*You banned him and made some response that was difficult to decipher.<br />
:*Another user, whom I consider to be both an excellent homebrewer as well as a calm, reasonable person, asked (paraphrased again) "Why did you ban him?". Her question was definitely not worded in an abrasive way and was, in fact, very diplomatic.<br />
:*You banned her and made another response that was difficult to understand.<br />
:*I saw this activity and entered the chat client to see what was going on. I assumed that the bans had something to do with activity in there because your actions made no sense. Nope, you weren't in the tavern, and you hadn't been in there.<br />
:*I realized at this point there were two possibilities: either you had lost control and gone on some power trip or someone had hacked your account somehow (which I honestly believed to be more likely at the time given our history before this).<br />
:*I made the decision that by banning you and making an appropriate ban message, I could solve both problems at once. I would stop a hacker from doing any serious damage and I would email you to let you know that your account had been hacked. Otherwise, I could send you a message (which would be in the reason for banning, which you would certainly read) asking you to cool down and come back after you had cleared your head (I knew full well you had database access). If I attempted to post this message on your talk page, I risked the hacker banning me as well, so this solution seemed to be the best one.<br />
:I hope that my explanation at least vindicates my actions somewhat. Admittedly, I may have been better off not acting so quickly and let the situation play out more. I'm not sure though. If your password had been stolen, some serious damage could have been done to the site. I was acting in the best interest of the community and that is the job I signed up to do when I became an admin. I don't think I lost control.<br />
:I think that is the big misunderstanding all of the active users at that time had with you. We were under the impression that this wiki was a community project like any other wiki is. What it actually is, is a private website that so happens to have media wiki on it. It was a big misunderstanding. We wanted a place where we could create the best D&D homebrew environment possible and have the community decide the best way to do that. It would have been helpful to know that this website is not that.<br />
:Have I done some immature things since these events took place? Certainly. I am still upset about the misunderstanding. I devoted a lot of my time and energy to this wiki. All of the stupid stuff I did afterward had to do with Hooper, however.<br />
:I have already emailed this information to you before privately and I thought we were on good terms. You choice of words prompted me to reply publicly. I'm not sure why you would want to demonize me; it doesn't really matter. I just hope this stops any future bridges from being burned with other people I may run into in the future. I really don't like burning bridges.<br />
:If anyone replies to this, please use the MoI tool to message me. I don't use this wiki anymore except on rare circumstances where I want to look up some old junk I wrote. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:49, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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::On all blocks please look at the main reason (current and/or logical reason). Aka 21:09, 25 August 2009 "''Edit war on FA main''" for Surgo instead of say 21:34, 9 August 2009 "''Unacceptable username: Please email me if you are confused about this at all.''" (unblock at 22:50, 11 August 2009). Please refer to the reasons on [[Special:Ipblocklist]] and the block log if needed.<br />
::Sure, if that is how you look at it. D&D Wiki, as always, fulfils the to ''"create the best D&D homebrew environment possible"''. A democracy is not needed for that; as you should know. This is not a democracy. Stated on wikipedia's policies and seen how by how this is run. Votes are only used when implemented or agreed on by me; although they are used.<br />
::As I said countless times the system some people wanted to implement was riddled with failure and would decrease D&D Wiki as a whole; you need to learn to listen and read what others post. Having a large base of people wanting the same thing does not make it more logical or helpful.<br />
::"''made some response that was difficult to decipher''" "''and made another response that was difficult to understand.''" normally should mean to your brain to decipher it &mdash; reasons can be complicated. The world is not black and white.<br />
::The tavern had, as always, no say in anything on D&D Wiki in any form. You should have known that as an admin.<br />
::I never spammed an edit. Please post the edits I did which are in question which you are refering to: I can already tell you you are wrong. If you cannot understand an edit of mine then do not respond as such. I would like to reference the above again "''"made some response that was difficult to decipher" "and made another response that was difficult to understand." normally should mean to your brain to decipher it &mdash; reasons can be complicated. The world is not black and white.''" Stupidity should never win; both in this instance and in the "Rating Committee" instances. Also as a rule of thumb.<br />
::"''If you cannot understand an edit of mine then do not respond as such.''" should be noted. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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:::Thanks for your reply Green Dragon. I would like to preface this response by saying that what I write is my opinion and I would appreciate it if you would forgo the banhammer until this discussion is resolved (even if what I say is upsetting). I will attempt to avoid being derogatory, but I cannot promise that I won't be accusatory. This is my perspective on a rather difficult situation after all.<br />
:::Your reasoning concerning the block log is fair enough (although I don't see how Sulacu's ban was considered intimidating behaviour/harassment). That being said, at the time, you did not provide a good reason and from my perspective, that meant your actions could have been from a hacker. Sure, you have updated the reasons now, but it really didn't make sense then.<br />
:::I also agree that a democracy is not needed to have a successful wiki. Wikipedia is not a democracy, but it is also not a dictatorship. Dictatorships are fine and all but you should have been up front about that. Wikipedia operates as a community project. Yes, it is not a democracy, but I can certainly tell you that there is not a single person that says "my way or the highway". Keep in mind that my actions were under the assumption that this website ran under the same principles as wikipedia. It doesn't.<br />
:::I also agree that when a large majority of people say something is a good idea, that doesn't necessarily mean that it is. However, when a large majority of active users and admins (the people who run the community) think that something is a good idea, then it would benefit the community to give it a try. We disagreed with your reasons for why it wouldn't work. It was a matter of the opinions of the site owner against the opinions of the majority of the active community. A community driven website would have sided with the community.<br />
:::I again agree that the Tavern had no bearing of the goings on of the actual wiki decisions. I never said that. The only thing I mentioned about the Tavern is that I went in there to see if you had a more rational reason for banning them. I wouldn't have agreed completely with banning based on activities in the Tavern, but at least I would have understood your rationale.<br />
:::Now I don't know why you think I accused you of spamming an edit. First off, what is "spamming an edit" mean? I really am doing my best to try to understand what you wrote, but a (nearly completed) degree in English just doesn't seem to be enough. What I did say is that I am upset that you would accuse me of losing control and going wild with my admin rights. I also said that I thought were were on good terms considering that we resolved this properly through email, so I didn't understand your motives for attacking my character.<br />
:::Concerning my lack of understanding with your edits, I really don't think that is my fault. I work as a technical writer. I understand the importance of clarity when I write, but I also spend a lot of my time fixing work that is unclear. When I run across something I cannot understand at all, odds are, nobody else can understand it besides the actual writer.<br />
:::To sum up my stance: my actions were reasonable considering my misunderstanding of how this wiki is run as well as the lack of communication on your part concerning your reasoning for banning users. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 17:32, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Still to soon after the recent wiki drama. I don't believe Aarnott has regained the trust of the community or Green Dragon at this time. -- [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 01:35, 22 November 2009 (MST) <br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; In both the best interest of the future of this site, and the personal disinterest that Aarnott now has, it would be best for both parties to move on. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:46, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Some of the actions I have noted by this user do not seem to be for the over all good of this wiki. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:32, 24 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Neutral''' &mdash; I've seen Aarnott do some pretty helpful things, but I've also seen what's gone on in the late drama. Either way it works out, I hope it turns out for the best. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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[[Category:Admin Request]]<br />
[[Category:Requests for Adminship]]</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott&diff=427138User:Aarnott2009-12-03T19:51:11Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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'''Archived stuff''': [[User:Aarnott/Archive1|Archive 1]]</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=D%26D_Wiki:Requests_for_Adminship/Aarnott2&diff=427137D&D Wiki:Requests for Adminship/Aarnott22009-12-03T19:49:52Z<p>Aarnott: /* Aarnott2 */</p>
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:[[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott2|Aarnott]][[User:Aarnott|'s]] Nomination. [[Image:No mark.svg.png|20px]] '''Failed.''' <br />
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;Questions for the candidate<br />
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Dear candidate, thank you for offering to serve D&D Wiki in this capacity. Please take the time to answer a few generic questions to provide guidance for voters:<br />
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:'''1.''' What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please read the page about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators administrators] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_reading_list administrators' reading list] on Wikipedia before answering.<br />
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:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions to D&D Wiki, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Although I ended up unbanning myself this user lost control and banned the person in charge of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:48, 20 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I just so happened to come by here again (looking for a terrible old optimized build I had made) to see this page linked from the Main page. I think it would probably be worthwhile if I clarified my reasoning behind my actions; if only for posterity. It is an unfair accusation to say that I lost control: my actions were deliberate and most importantly, rational. Here is how it played out from my point of view:<br />
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:*A large majority of the active user base were discussing implementation of a site-wide rating system. This would allow us to have more control on highlighting the highest quality articles and putting the worse ones in a position where they can be improved. This group of people (myself included although not nearly as actively) were very excited about this project to improve the website.<br />
:*The proposal went through months of active discussion over how to best implement it.<br />
:*A final workable idea sat on your talk page for around 3 weeks.<br />
:*A user decided to start implementing the framework for this rating system.<br />
:*You deleted the framework.<br />
:*He asked (paraphrased) "Why did you delete that?". It was probably phrased a bit abrasively knowing the user, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.<br />
:*You banned him and made some response that was difficult to decipher.<br />
:*Another user, whom I consider to be both an excellent homebrewer as well as a calm, reasonable person, asked (paraphrased again) "Why did you ban him?". Her question was definitely not worded in an abrasive way and was, in fact, very diplomatic.<br />
:*You banned her and made another response that was difficult to understand.<br />
:*I saw this activity and entered the chat client to see what was going on. I assumed that the bans had something to do with activity in there because your actions made no sense. Nope, you weren't in the tavern, and you hadn't been in there.<br />
:*I realized at this point there were two possibilities: either you had lost control and gone on some power trip or someone had hacked your account somehow (which I honestly believed to be more likely at the time given our history before this).<br />
:*I made the decision that by banning you and making an appropriate ban message, I could solve both problems at once. I would stop a hacker from doing any serious damage and I would email you to let you know that your account had been hacked. Otherwise, I could send you a message (which would be in the reason for banning, which you would certainly read) asking you to cool down and come back after you had cleared your head (I knew full well you had database access). If I attempted to post this message on your talk page, I risked the hacker banning me as well, so this solution seemed to be the best one.<br />
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:I hope that my explanation at least vindicates my actions somewhat. Admittedly, I may have been better off not acting so quickly and let the situation play out more. I'm not sure though. If your password had been stolen, some serious damage could have been done to the site. I was acting in the best interest of the community and that is the job I signed up to do when I became an admin. I don't think I lost control.<br />
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:I think that is the big misunderstanding all of the active users at that time had with you. We were under the impression that this wiki was a community project like any other wiki is. What it actually is, is a private website that so happens to have media wiki on it. It was a big misunderstanding. We wanted a place where we could create the best D&D homebrew environment possible and have the community decide the best way to do that. It would have been helpful to know that this website is not that.<br />
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:Have I done some immature things since these events took place? Certainly. I am still upset about the misunderstanding. I devoted a lot of my time and energy to this wiki. All of the stupid stuff I did afterward had to do with Hooper, however.<br />
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:I have already emailed this information to you before privately and I thought we were on good terms. You choice of words prompted me to reply publicly. I'm not sure why you would want to demonize me; it doesn't really matter. I just hope this stops any future bridges from being burned with other people I may run into in the future. I really don't like burning bridges.<br />
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:If anyone replies to this, please use the MoI tool to message me. I don't use this wiki anymore except on rare circumstances where I want to look up some old junk I wrote. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:49, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Still to soon after the recent wiki drama. I don't believe Aarnott has regained the trust of the community or Green Dragon at this time. -- [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 01:35, 22 November 2009 (MST) <br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; In both the best interest of the future of this site, and the personal disinterest that Aarnott now has, it would be best for both parties to move on. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:46, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Some of the actions I have noted by this user do not seem to be for the over all good of this wiki. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:32, 24 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Neutral''' &mdash; I've seen Aarnott do some pretty helpful things, but I've also seen what's gone on in the late drama. Either way it works out, I hope it turns out for the best. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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[[Category:Requests for Adminship]]</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=D%26D_Wiki:Requests_for_Adminship/Aarnott2&diff=427136D&D Wiki:Requests for Adminship/Aarnott22009-12-03T19:49:17Z<p>Aarnott: /* Aarnott2 */</p>
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:'''1.''' What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with? Please read the page about [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators administrators] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_reading_list administrators' reading list] on Wikipedia before answering.<br />
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:'''2.''' Of your articles or contributions to D&D Wiki, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?<br />
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:'''3.''' Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Although I ended up unbanning myself this user lost control and banned the person in charge of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:48, 20 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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:I just so happened to come by here again (looking for a terrible old optimized build I had made) to see this page linked from the Main page. I think it would probably be worthwhile if I clarified my reasoning behind my actions; if only for posterity. It is an unfair accusation to say that I lost control: my actions were deliberate and most importantly, rational. Here is how it played out from my point of view:<br />
:*A large majority of the active user base were discussing implementation of a site-wide rating system. This would allow us to have more control on highlighting the highest quality articles and putting the worse ones in a position where they can be improved. This group of people (myself included although not nearly as actively) were very excited about this project to improve the website.<br />
:*The proposal went through months of active discussion over how to best implement it.<br />
:*A final workable idea sat on your talk page for around 3 weeks.<br />
:*A user decided to start implementing the framework for this rating system.<br />
:*You deleted the framework.<br />
:*He asked (paraphrased) "Why did you delete that?". It was probably phrased a bit abrasively knowing the user, but it was a perfectly legitimate question.<br />
:*You banned him and made some response that was difficult to decipher.<br />
:*Another user, whom I consider to be both an excellent homebrewer as well as a calm, reasonable person, asked (paraphrased again) "Why did you ban him?". Her question was definitely not worded in an abrasive way and was, in fact, very diplomatic.<br />
:*You banned her and made another response that was difficult to understand.<br />
:*I saw this activity and entered the chat client to see what was going on. I assumed that the bans had something to do with activity in there because your actions made no sense. Nope, you weren't in the tavern, and you hadn't been in there.<br />
:*I realized at this point there were two possibilities: either you had lost control and gone on some power trip or someone had hacked your account somehow (which I honestly believed to be more likely at the time given our history before this).<br />
:*I made the decision that by banning you and making an appropriate ban message, I could solve both problems at once. I would stop a hacker from doing any serious damage and I would email you to let you know that your account had been hacked. Otherwise, I could send you a message (which would be in the reason for banning, which you would certainly read) asking you to cool down and come back after you had cleared your head (I knew full well you had database access). If I attempted to post this message on your talk page, I risked the hacker banning me as well, so this solution seemed to be the best one.<br />
:I hope that my explanation at least vindicates my actions somewhat. Admittedly, I may have been better off not acting so quickly and let the situation play out more. I'm not sure though. If your password had been stolen, some serious damage could have been done to the site. I was acting in the best interest of the community and that is the job I signed up to do when I became an admin. I don't think I lost control.<br />
:I think that is the big misunderstanding all of the active users at that time had with you. We were under the impression that this wiki was a community project like any other wiki is. What it actually is, is a private website that so happens to have media wiki on it. It was a big misunderstanding. We wanted a place where we could create the best D&D homebrew environment possible and have the community decide the best way to do that. It would have been helpful to know that this website is not that.<br />
:Have I done some immature things since these events took place? Certainly. I am still upset about the misunderstanding. I devoted a lot of my time and energy to this wiki. All of the stupid stuff I did afterward had to do with Hooper, however.<br />
:I have already emailed this information to you before privately and I thought we were on good terms. You choice of words prompted me to reply publicly. I'm not sure why you would want to demonize me; it doesn't really matter. I just hope this stops any future bridges from being burned with other people I may run into in the future. I really don't like burning bridges.<br />
:If anyone replies to this, please use the MoI tool to message me. I don't use this wiki anymore except on rare circumstances where I want to look up some old junk I wrote. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:49, 3 December 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Still to soon after the recent wiki drama. I don't believe Aarnott has regained the trust of the community or Green Dragon at this time. -- [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 01:35, 22 November 2009 (MST) <br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; In both the best interest of the future of this site, and the personal disinterest that Aarnott now has, it would be best for both parties to move on. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:46, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Oppose''' &mdash; Some of the actions I have noted by this user do not seem to be for the over all good of this wiki. --[[User:Starcry|Starcry]] 08:32, 24 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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* '''Neutral''' &mdash; I've seen Aarnott do some pretty helpful things, but I've also seen what's gone on in the late drama. Either way it works out, I hope it turns out for the best. --[[User:SgtLion|SgtLion]] 02:49, 22 November 2009 (MST)<br />
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== Hit Points in v3.5 help. ==<br />
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I have a question about hit points in v3.5 and i cannot confirm if i am correct or not.<br />
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When you reach a new bonus with your constitution score (from +1 to +2) do you gain 1 hp per class level, or just another hp at the level your new constitution bonus takes effect.<br />
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I have always assumed that you would gain 1 hp per class level when this occurs as, unless im wrong, you lose 1 hp per level when you your constitution bonus drops a point.<br />
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:[[SRD:Constitution]] states: "If a character’s Constitution score changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character’s hit points also increase or decrease accordingly." I mean, a raging barbarian gets bonus hit points from his Constitution increase. Why wouldn't you normally gain from such a benefit? I've always played like that (retroactive increases), anyway. Hope this helps, even if the link isn't explicitly clear. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:55, 6 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'm pretty sure bonus HP due to a CON increase are awarded retroactively. I've noticed they are in d20 products for the PC and console, so I'm certain they're awarded the same way in regular D&D. We always played it like that anyway. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 16:22, 7 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It is awarded retroactively, though you may want to play this differently. Sometimes it doesn't make sense for a person to gain a large amount of hit points for (almost) no reason. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:01, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Thanks! ==<br />
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Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to send me a message. Hopefully, it was manual otherwise, oops! :p <br />
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I have one question though. I was creating a campaign setting for the 4th edition, and I've noticed the wiki is lacking in material for this edition. Could you tell me what things are availible to me? On a related note, whenever I use the 4th edition power template, a footer appears beneath it, like in [[LPadfoot (4e Class)|here]]. How do I get rid of it? Also, very quickly, my campaign was put under 0 for lacking pages, but I've been steadily adding them. How will my campaign get out of 0? Thanks! ~[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 17:33, 9 July 2009 (MDT)`<br />
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:[[4e Homebrew]]. Since when can Campaign Settings get rated as 0? I think you mean your class. I would post something on it's talk page ans ask what you need to do to improve it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:37, 9 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Here is what I mean. Without code wrapping '{{,}}'<br />
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::How do I fix that? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|07:31, 10 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::I agree with you about [[Template:4e Power]] and how it automatically adds the breadcrumb to all the powers gets very damn annoying (okay, I've never actually added my own 4e class. I'm just talking about the layout). We currently add homebrew power's into their own linked to pages with each class having it's own page ([[4e Powers]] - the ones under "homebrew designation"). The reason the breadcrumb is included in that template is because the idea when they were made was for each to have it's own page. The reasoning was so other classes could use the same powers, like a mix of 3.5e spells 4e powers optimized for functionality; however I feel that their is a better way to do it. What are your thoughts on having something more compared to a pool of 4e powers and each class transcluding them into their page (or creating a link list - comparable to the 3.5e spell lists for each class)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 11 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I took a look at your campaign setting - [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] and you were right. It was rated as 0. I changed the formatting and layout a bit and changed the rating to 2, however I did not really read it so the rating could be off. And above with the code warping and dpl mixed with categories idea did you man to ask how does one change a campaign settings rating? Since it uses a template it just pulls a parameter from the template page; so one just has to change the number at the end to the new rating. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:06, 11 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Also which edition does [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] use? Your 4e class is in there but much of it is using 3.5e material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::What do you mean? I designed the class after how it looks like in the 4e handbooks, and it says in the running and history of LAI section that it uses 4e. So how do I manage to get the Power to appear without the footer? Do I link into it like with the menu and find some way to make them fit in the powers section? My idea on that power linkage thing is to have it so that powers could have a powersource tab add to it as well as a link on the power to the classes it belongs to, so that you can search up the power, then see the classes it leads to on the power itself.-- [[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 7:44, 15 July 2009 (GST +10)<br />
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:::::::Removing those footers on class pages is a bit of an issue. The template was designed to work so that each homebrew class added has it's own power page and each template has it's own page. I am not positive if you agree or not however I think that that organizational structure for powers is a bit extraneous (for example your class has about six powers. Six powers on such a massive page (to me at least) comes off as a bit much). I changed your class a bit to show you more of what I mean. The first edit I did (with the revision history is [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class%3A_Archer&diff=391450&oldid=374143] and then I reverted it back to the old revision [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class:_Archer&diff=next&oldid=391450]). One of the powers does not have a breadcrumb but if one notices it is changed to say "Attack" to say "Class Feature" (or something like that). I am not positive with either way to organize the powers on your class. Also the template could be changed so one has to add a footer manually. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:39, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I made [[Template:4e Power/Sandbox]]. If you would not mind let me know what you think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:30, 16 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::It looks great! Finally we can have powers without the footers! Huzzah. On the subject on the changes to the Archer class: Would you like to join LAI? You are amazing! Your tweaks have made the Archer class a rich and more in depth class than I alone (Seeing as I'm the only one in PnP LAI) could make! I give you full permission to edit anything on LAI as long as it dosen't affect the larger whole of the story! BTW the Tribal Civil war didn't happen, more like a World War among the cities.<br />
:::::::::Serious about the LAI joining thing, will you? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|03:33, 19 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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::::::::::Could you email me about joining LAI so I can think about it more? I don't want to start helping LAI and have strange ideas for LAI which you disagree with. Although I am pretty certain I want to continue developing it, with permission. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:58, 21 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Could you email me and let me know if it is okay for me to edit your CS soon and so we can discuss ideas? I want to start a 4e campaign in a day or so and I would prefer to use LAI. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 25 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, the Email will be arriving soon. I had a special pdf. sheet I made for recruiting people in real life, it would be nice to send it to you via Email. On a less formal setting, I give you full permission to edit anything but the History (Though you can add things). --[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 10:20, 29 July 2009<br />
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:::::::::::::I don't mean to be rude or anything, however I changed my opinion. I think I am going to start a 3.5e campaign and just start from a small town outwards. Sorry to have been a bother, thanks for your time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 30 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Appologies in advance==<br />
For all the annoying MOIs past and future to fix little errors that i find in locked pages. [[User:GaaaaaH|- GaaaaaH]] 05:03, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Spoiler Alert==<br />
Is there a way to hide the contents of an article until the viewer clicks on a link... like a 'for DM's Eyes only' warning on adventure pages. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 11:29, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] has something to that effect on his user page. I don't know what in the coding makes it work like that, but it might be a place to start. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:32, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Easily made into a template. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:42, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Gravity Warrior Edits ==<br />
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I just want to say two things:<br />
# I put the breaks on the epic table, because otherwise the hit dice overlap with the table. In my personal opinion, that's one of the problems with the current preload.<br />
# Under the advancement section, I changed it to rogue and monk, singular, as gravity warriors multiclass to '''become''' rogues/monks, but the multiclass '''into''' the rogue or monk classes. <br />
I put this here because I don't want to start something (an edit war, so to speak), but I don't think either of those edits are correct, nor do I think the other grammar you changed was wrong; your changes were merely a matter of personal preference rather than right/wrong. You also took out a few commas, that with all due respect, were correct in their placement. Again, no disrespect intended, I just think those changes were mostly unneccessary, and in an instance or two, wrong. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:02, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't care about the second point you brought up (it just needs to follow the English grammar rules &mdash; other then that I do not care). However, do you use IE or FF? I run Ubuntu and for me the coding on the epic table looks fine. However, since I use Ubuntu, I cannot see how the coding would look like on IE. Also, since your table coding looks (about) the same it's proably fine. If, however, this is a problem for all the class pages when one uses IE do you think you could let me know? I would be more then willing to change the preload if it is a class-wide problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'm using Safari (my laptop's a Mac), but I'll check on my family's home computer (Windows, has both IE and something else). And yes, it is a class-wide problem, at least with Safari. As far as the second point, I was pointing out that I felt I changed it to follow proper English grammar rules, and then you changed it to something that didn't agree (from what I have learned). That could be wrong, but English is my forte. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 19:36, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Wood Elves ==<br />
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Just a heads up, but according to the MM, Wood Elves' ability mods are +2 strength, +2 dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma.<br />
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The SRD wood elf page doesn't have the -2 to charisma.<br />
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== Template Limitation Dates ==<br />
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I was hoping not to have to bother you directly with this, sir, but it has not been getting any attention by enough important people. I am moving the discussion page I created to here instead. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 12:30, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I was talking with Ganteka earlier today about this. Now, I know that when an article has the delete template, it is deleted after two weeks if no edits have been made. Now, as some may have noticed, I've been busy recently, at the end of June and now, with a large templating project. I've been putting stub, wikify, and delete on articles that need them.<br />
:In the case of all templates that are not delete, Ganteka informed me they just sit there, perpetually, -unless- someone takes pity on them. With the templating project I've been working on, the category pages for these template may get bloated with a mountain of articles that never get attention.<br />
:Now, since it is unreasonable to ask the people of the wiki to collectively clean up these articles any more than they already are, I propose this: A limitation date on articles with Stub or Wikify, funtioning similar to the cutoff for Delete. If no one attempts to salvage a page with Stub or Wikify in X amount of time, the template is changed to Delete, and then the article is on the final two-week deathwatch for someone to rescue it. This way, articles will, one way or another, not sit and rot in template categories other than Delete. This ensures that the artciles that are truly worth preserving are preserved, and articles that no one can be botherd to fix are alowed to die their quiet deaths.<br />
:I propose that the cutoff time for articles with the Stub or Wikify templates be in the realm of two-to-six months.<br />
:Discuss. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 22:20, 14 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I've already been doing this, it's a good idea -- takes out the trash. Some stuff is "vaguely savable" I guess but if no one cares enough to actually save it I don't really want it on the wiki. --[[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:52, 14 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I've just been sticking the delete on things, figuring if someone wants them, fine, if not, they're better off deleted. That's probably not the best way to do things (which is why I've only done it with massively neglected articles), but it seems we all in accordance so one extent or another. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:07, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::To clarify: I'm talking about implementing a set, clearly defined, official, and universal(meaning everyone/anyone does this, not just one or two random people) policy to ensure that these articles are cleaned out regularly, the reason for this being the extensive templating I have been doing recently may overfill the categories, and then nothing gets done because no one will bother to look through to find fixable stuff. As said, I am thinking the set date for template-swapping could be somewhere from two to six months. In addition, swapping the templates should -only- be done if an article in question has zero edits for the set time period. What does everyone think about this? (making an official policy for this I mean, and this proposition is mainly being made to all the admins, as they are the ones who will ultimately decided this). --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 18:11, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I started [[Template:Reviewing Template]] which (given some help) could ''potentially'' do what you are looking for. One could either build a bot based of time to change the templates (then this template would already be done - all that would need to be changed would be for [[Template:Delete]] to be added as another template option), or one could find or build an extension in MW which makes things be able to be based of time (my prefered option. Then like how [[Template:Delete]] currently does things with time could be reverse engineered to instead of displaying the time it was added display a countdown until the template dynamically changes to [[Template:Delete]] (and then the two week time limit would come up) &mdash; quite beautiful to be honest). The main issue with that right now if you look into this) is that [[template:Delete]]'s time thing is hard-coded into D&D Wiki's MW and not an extension (although solvable if one finds or builds a time extension for MW as I mentioned above). Also, continuing on with the problems with the second option, one would have to (I would willingly look into this) make a way to have [[Template:Delete]] show up as a catch-all template holder on [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. The easiest, messiest, and way which just adds another layer of people which need to work and no one which wants to do the mundane tasks like that would be to just manually change all the templates as their time comes up. This way would (in my opinion) just add another problem onto the problem though. So, if you know of an easy way to make any of these options to work let me know please (I don't mean to be frank or condescending with this last sentence here &mdash; I just meant to write a wrap up sentence). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:16, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I don't know anything about coding or bots or what you're talking about. If I am not misunderstanding you, I didn't know there even was any actual coding time attached to the Delete template, I just thought is was only the official policy that articles are deleted after two weeks of no edits, even though that doesn't actually happen often. All I'm suggesting is that a similar official policy be applied to changing wikify and stub templates to delete. It doesn't matter how it's done; I just thought is was going to be a manual thing anyway, to be honest. And since this is not actual deletion or anything requiring mod or admin powers; -I- could change templates, if necessary. All I'm thinking of is having an official policy that says so. Nothing more.<br />
::::::So, in that vein, what do you think? What should the time be? Two months of no edits? Six months? Something in between? Something else? {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|14:35, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::Ah, damn. So you would willingly take the third option. Personally I think if one uses the third option (as I mentioned above) a lot of problems will happen. Manually doing things like that is always a problem (in my opinion). Personally, if a time extension for MW is present, template switching could be made dynamic and [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] could be continued to be manual (so one looks over everything which gets deleted and one can not do malicious adding of [[Template:Delete]] onto finished pages, going unnoticed, and getting the page removed by a bot). On the time frame aspect I think that 1-2 months is a good indicator of inactivity on an article. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Honestly? I have no idea what you're talking about; about making stuff dynamic or whatever "MW" is. I don't know anything about this. And I don't understand how changing the templates manually will be a problem. I just know I am willing to do the changes manually and systematically if everyone else is too busy, and the policy is implemented.<br />
::::::::And i think a time limted of two months/sixty days (fixing things move slow around here, sometimes) is a good time. {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|15:48, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::::No reason to get annoyed. MW is MediaWiki - the code base D&D Wiki is based on. One can add extensions to it to improve it (such as the dpl, SMW (Semantic MediaWiki - e.g. [[DnD Flaws]]), extensions etc). If an extension does something with time then we could make template switching dynamic (or maybe reverse engineer the hard code behind [[Template:Delete]]'s time thing to make an extension which could work). If you ''really'' do not want to talk about theoretical implications of a dynamic template reviewing system with the base template being [[Template:Delete]] then sorry. I think 2 months is fine if you want to do everything manually. Or one could just look at the article and decide again (since it would all be done manually anyway). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:56, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::I apologize, my above post was not meant to be in any annoyed tone. Curse ambiguous text.<br />
::::::::::As for all the stuff that I "really" don't want to talk about...it's actually that I "really" don't know or understand it. I have not learned real coding yet, I have no idea what this coding thing you're trying to tell me is. I really wish I -did- know, but...I don't. So, getting off that note, two months sounds good. Do any other mods or admins need to weigh in on this? --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 16:15, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::You could organize the a userpage subsection of yours - until the dpl can be improved to make it work dynamic - into something related to <code><nowiki>[[User:TK-Squared/Shit That Needs Deleting]]</nowiki></code>. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Undead Disciple ==<br />
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Hi, I've been working on a 3.5 class called the Undead Disciple and I'm worried its overpowered. Could you take a look at it please?--[[User:Knk42|Knk42]] 09:28, 2 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Demigods Breadcrumb? ==<br />
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Hate to bother you, but i am wondering if there is a breadcrumb for 4e demigods and if so what is it? Thanks for your time, [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 20:47, 4 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There, I just made some for the deities section. [[Template:3.5e Demigod Deities Breadcrumb]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:36, 4 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== What the Hell ==<br />
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You've had weeks to protest against the rating committee, something decided upon and agreed upon by virtually every active user here. And you wait until it all gets set up to suddenly decide to delete it? What the hell, yo? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:59, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:We are using logic here. The method above improves D&D Wiki's accessibility and that is key. Less pages mean less places for people to get confused on. I hope you understand - your way is faulty in logic. Please watch out or a ban could be in ordnance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::How exactly is 'my way faulty in logic'? Did you even read the pages and pages of text we've posted above about this issue? And why on earth would you respond ''now'' of all times by deleting what we've set up, instead of responding weeks ago? I think all of us have a right to be annoyed and angry for that reason alone. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:08, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Yes, of course I did. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::We agreed almost unanimously that this quality censor was going to be for the good of this wiki. So I agree with the aforementioned complaint. Why would you suddenly override everybody involved and delete it? --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 22:12, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::You have stepped far over your bounds as a benevolent dictator; you've just gone right down into despotism. Unban Surgo; he didn't implement anything. He suggested it; he didn't create a new Author template, he didn't change the Spell template nor did he add the pages. If you want to ban someone; ban ME. I did all of that. I messed with your precious little templates in attempt to help the Wikipedia project for D&D. Don't do something stupid like that; banning me is fine; banning Surgo for that, is not. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 22:15, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Make Love, Not War ==<br />
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Time to put a nice little flower on that banhammer of yours, let's bury this hatchet and just...get along? --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:14, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I know, I am still thinking of hierarchy more. Since I was banned by another one of them I will wait to unban them until I hear more of the full story - from their side (emails, etc. I got a few just they have not explained why [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ended up banning me for a bit, etc)). I would say once both of those issues are resolved then I most likely unban them depending. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Well understandibly everyone is a bit sour of the matter. Those involved feel like an apology is due from you as the actions you took were unbalanced as a response to a simple talk-page arguement. The subsequent banning of all administrators, even those offline - those that were not involved - is not in my opinion a fair response in any situation. To prevent the loss of dedicated and active users who make up a considerable amount of the current contributions to the wiki I would advise perhaps admitting an overreaction to the matter would be approapriate to clear up this whole incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:45, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Right, I said once I deal with hierarchy (in my head for D&D Wiki) a bit more I will deal with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::In reference to the Aarnott banning (not to butt in, I was just present in the Tavern at the time) he was hoping you would take it as a hint to step back and "cool down", as many said in not so many words. He meant no offense by it, just was trying to send a message since talking through posting was ignored when it came to Surgo and Sulacu. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 01:16, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Just putting my 2 cents in. I haven't been very active on DnD Wiki this year but I've still tried to help on minor things where I can. I didn't even know you were banned.. Also, we have google ad's on here now? --[[User:118.208.168.99|118.208.168.99 (Sabre070)]] 01:37, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Right, but none should ''ever'' ban me (this is my website). Other then that I am trying out Google ads for a bit (layout and usefulness) to see if I like them or not and if they will stay on D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:25, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I would think that lifting the ban on them now would not be too out of the question given that their user rights have been revoked (so it's not like they could ban you again). You don't necessarily have to give them back all their privledges, but keeping them banned seems somewhat excessive. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 17:48, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Acting as if you are the ''only'' contributor to this wiki at this moment will only lead to stagnation of the wiki along with a lack of administrators to moderate as well. To put it plainly, you've had a chance to redeem yourself to a good portion of the active users you've banned, but instead decided against doing so and have lost the respect and trust of those administrators even if they were not involved in the incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 19:01, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. Also they are admins once again; no worries on that end. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:30, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::What about the worry of you randomly banning people again for no good reason, offering no explanation as to why they were banned and then bringing the site down because of said banning? If I were them, I'd worry about that. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:34, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, hopefully they understood. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::As one of the people banned, I'd say they don't. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:36, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:As another of those people (having been banned while offline and totally uninvolved, adding further bafflement to the situation), I'd agree with TK. You have offered absolutely no explanation of why we were banned and the site was taken down. To assume that we understand your motives simply by reading your ''silence'' is preposterous. There only explanation I can think of that justifies banning people who were not at all involved involves a murderous psycho who threatened you with death unless you banned us, and I think we can immediately rule that out. Therefore, you screwed up and we need concrete and uncompromisable assurance that you not only will not, but CAN not do this again. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I have banned admins before - this is not the first time (I mean historically for short periods of time). This is ''literally'' my website; so I need no explanation. Also, if things to continue to happen as they have before, it could happen again. I was banned from my own website, the servers are probably 100 ft. away from me right now, I need no explanation in my head. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:40, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Well, that's it then. You told us before if we didn't like you and your arbitrary rules, to go make our own website. That's exactly what we did. Goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:53, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Yup, you blew it. Ciao, tyrant. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:55, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Now we're on the subject, I would like to request the immediate and permanent deletion of every article in <nowiki>Category:User Sulacu</nowiki>. Kind regards, --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:06, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::: That is not ok. Undeserved disrespect is not ok. You disrespected us, and I am disappointed in you. this place was my home for awhile, and now I have to leave. I will not stand to be in a place where the people are unjustly disrespected. I once respected you, but now that respect is gone. And I must go too, goodbye.[[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 23:16, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Adopt me"? No. That is '''my''' work, and I'll not have other people taking credit for it. It is to be deleted, or at the very least my name to be kept on it and locked from all edits. --Daniel Draco 23:18, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::We can discuss this later. Personally I think it would be helpful for all people related here to take a break, wait maybe 10 hours, think about this what what you guys are saying, and then talk to me about it at that time. Also, deleting articles is never a good option (adoption or locking is a much better one, in my opinion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::We have thought about this for days, 10 more hours will do nothing. The stunt you pulled and then the complete lack of repentance you showed was absolutely, completely unacceptable. There is no "take a break, wait maybe 10 more hours". That time has long passed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:24, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::With or without the 10 hours, please put the author templates back on my pages and lock them. I can accept that they will remain on this website, but I don't want my work to be changed. Delete them or preserve them, but don't put them up for adoption. --Daniel Draco 23:27, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::In case you haven't been paying attention for the last four days, GD, your opinion is what's destroying your wiki, scattering your once-committed members to the four winds in search for stabler climes. Deleting these articles won't be the same as wiping them away for good, however. They simply won't be on ''your'' site anymore. And that's the way how many of us want it. Do not be so obtuse and please delete those articles, now. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::When I lock them (if you really so desire) I will look through the revision history for different edits at that time (to make sure they are your version). Also, [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], one must understand this is just a website (located on some servers) which I ''literally'' own. Anyway, [[User:Sulacu]] and [[User:Daniel Draco]] I will deal more about these pages, locking, deletion, or who knows what when I myself have a level head as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:31, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:There is a difference between being able to do something, and it being the right thing to do. Noone is saying you are unable to do what you wish. People are saying it's the WRONG thing to do. -DragonChild<br />
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::I think you are missing the point that this is dangerous for me as well. I got banned from D&D Wiki. This is my website. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Hello. I generally try to stay out of this 'website politics' bullshit because it all really is just bullshit. However, this time it really got me. Because the people that got banned for no reason now have your broken trust. You are no longer a level-headed impartial party, but instead it's a powerstruggle between you and the other admins that you promoted to help you ''improve your site''. All the admins have put a lot of work into helping you with the site and then you turn around and shit on their hard work by banning all of them, even the ones that weren't involved. I'm sure the ones that weren't even there when you did it don't understand why you did it, because they ''weren't there''. You might not feel like you need an answer 'in your head' but unfortunately for the rest us, 'in your head' isn't where we are so we don't know what's going on in there and expecting us to know is just ridiculous. The fact that you shit on your admins is enough, but taking the site down so that ''no one'' could access ''their'' work is completely asinine. As a user, and not even one of the ones affected by the ban, I still say that your behavior was entirely 110% uncalled for. I am dissapointed in you, as a site owner, you seem to have very little respect for your community, if any at all. If you want it to be ''your site'', then it truly will just be your site with no one else to share it with. Have fun with that, goodbye and I didn't contribute much, but I want all of my articles deleted. I have them elsewhere. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::You may "literally" own it, but the website lives and dies by your contributors. And now we have left because you took this "literal" ownership too far, ignored our opinions for too long, disrespected us too much, and threw one too many temper tantrums when something happened that you didn't like. That's it. The end. We are gone. We now have our own site that '''we''' literally own, not you. So goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That is fine. Also, please take note, that one has to add [[Template:Delete]] to their articles on their own. I don't have time to work like that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:37, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I do appreciate that you will lock my pages into my final version (which, indeed, is exactly what I desire). I would add the appropriate templates, but there are none. I would lock them myself, but you blocked me. So I would appreciate it if you would do it for me. --Daniel Draco 23:41, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I will deal with locking and adminship later; as I explained above. Right now I do not have time to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::As a comment one can always change their mind - like with [[User:TK-Squared]] and his supposed leaving (although those pages still have yet to be restored - given time they will). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Very well, as per your wish, all my pages now have been put up for deletion. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:14, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Incorrect. Now the pages ''you'' want to delete are being processed the correct way through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. That's why I mentioned above about how you can always change your mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:16, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::: I am going to relate this incident and following "explanation" to a real-world incident that has a similar feel to it. Dictator #1 "owns" his "server". Therefore, Dictator #1 believes he's allowed to do whatever he wants in his "sever" and the people will have no say about the matter. He believes that the people are creating some form of rebellion, so he "bans" them. The only difference between your situation and Dictator #1's situation is that you had no rebellion. You simply... I don't know, freaked out, apparently at the fact two pages were made to begin an implementation process of something most of the active and contributing user base had supported. <br />
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:::::::::::Furthermore, you are a keen supporter of these "policies" that you have, although finding what exact policies you mean is a slight chore in itself, yet you find yourself exempt because you "own" the site. You have breached the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Administrator_conduct Administrator Conduct] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Misuse_of_administrative_tools Misuse of Administrative Tools] policies laid down in the Administrator's policy on Wikipedia. If you want to run your site like a wiki, stop trying to run it as though you're the grand tyrannical godking of all creation and maybe, JUST MAYBE, give a little respect to your userbase. This could be a revolutionary idea, but I hear it works well.<br />
:::::::::::As for my so-called "leaving"; it's a bad example. My leaving was a joke, it's only point was for me to touch up some of my articles in an easier fashion. But, this time; it won't be a joke. I advise anyone wanting their articles to be deleted to add this template; <nowiki>{{delete|14th August 2009|This article is nominated for Speedy Deletion under [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Articles Article G7].}}</nowiki>. <br />
:::::::::::Of course, my logic here for wanting explainations OBVIOUSLY is nowhere near as great as the "MY SITE I CAN DO WHAT I WANT" kind of mentality. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:28, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::We have not discussed if we want to implement speedy deletion or not, however your articles will get looked at in due time. Also you ''must'' remember this was not a power trip; I got banned from my own website. That calls for drastic measures (for the most part). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Drastic measures? If this site is going to hell in a bucket, maybe it's a good thing I've got my rewrites happening offline. Judging by the stability of this situation, I'd rather not my contributions be caught in the crossfire, and sooner or later I'm pretty sure one of you admins or another would overreact. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 12:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Green Dragon, you are a dumbass, you've just killed your own website, and don't even realize it. I would like for my pages to be locked in the same way that Daniel Draco's will be locked, except for the pseudonaught, which will be completed in due time, at which point, I request it be locked as well. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 12:39, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::When I have some spare time I will look into locking and deleting accordingly. Please noted that this does not mean that the admins are losing any privileges - if you know what I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:58, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: What do you mean? (Adding the "if you know what I mean" makes it kinda ambiguous and not-understandable, I think ''':-3''') --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 13:02, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I might care to point out that you got banned from ''your website'' because ''you started banning everyone else first for no reason at all'' (Often referred to as a power trip). That is justifiable banning by Aarnott, your bannings were not justified. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 13:17, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I meant that after I had the issue sorted out I gave back everyone their privileges as given to them by the D&D Wiki community. Instead of going on the same annoying rants the whole time how about this. You must, one, be able to think (analyze things as well - like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&limit=500 Special:Blocklog]), and two be able to look at both sides of the issue. ''While'' doing both of these things you ''should'' notice what is going on. Other then that just stop talking to me - I have no time for stupidity. Also you should take a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&user=&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 Special:Userrightslog] to look at how the times correlate - then maybe all the people who simply cannot think can figure this out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Once again - I have no time for stupidity. If you want to respond I need you to ask an intellectual question and not just say things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:40, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::[[#What the Hell|Ahem]]. From the look of things, you didn't like something someone on "your" website was doing, despite the fact that it would help the website, and you sought to put an end to it. At which point people asked you why you were acting illogically against your own wiki's interest's, to which you replied "We are using logic here", being thoroughly infuriating. After this, without attempting to discuss the issue at hand, or provide any real reasoning to your side (which you are requesting we see things from without any information on), you banned people. Now then, from this, it should be clear that it's not that you banned people, it's the fact that you didn't listen to them. You blatantly ignored the people whose only interest was to help out "your" website. This is what makes you a dumbass. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 13:57, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Stay your big insults, Green. Our ears are not large enough to fit them. I don't care how stupid you think we are or how much of a genius you think yourself. Just look upon the barren wasteland of your site a few months from now and reap the seeds of your 'ingenuity'. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:38, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::The longterm success of D&Dwiki hinges on cooperation. Let us all remember that we're in this together. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:43, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Here's a little "intellectual question" that you have so-far avoided, probably because it's far too ILLOGICAL for you to contemplate. But, you have yet to answer WHY was Surgo banned? Why was Sulacu banned? And, lastly, why was I banned? There have been given no reasons for this and you have just gone on and on about... nothing. Every time you've said something, it's literally being saying NOTHING on the matter. Maybe if you answered one of the questions given to you rather than saying "OMG I WUZ BANND 4 N0 RSN"; because you weren't, I was. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 17:10, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Morning. I've only been on your wiki for a very, very short time, but I liked it very much. And now I see that a lot of contributors, in both data and actions, just leave. That sucks. The withdrawal of their past and/or future ocntributions is a very bad thing for the health and diversity of this wiki. So, I understand you "own" the site, that's nice. And I do have to agree with you on some points, firstly that you do have the final say in whatever happens on this site. You own it. They probably shouldn't have banned you, and I can understand that could make you very upset. The other thing I agree on, one of your earlier points, is that anyone is free to leave and go to another wiki. And now, since mainly admins -by definition relatively powerful members of the community- were involved in this struggle, and were grieved in it, a lot of the most useful contributors are leaving your site, along with a sizable amount of regular users. This is not in the best interest of your wiki. <br />
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::::::::::: Now, I'd just wish it'd all clear up and you guys merge again in one wiki, but I don't think that's going to happen. it would be what is best for the wiki and the community behind it, but I guess all people involved are too busy complaining. I think what the admins want is an apology and an explanation worthy of someone more than three years old, because while you do own the wiki, you do not own the community. On the other hand, I think you want to have the last word in whatever happens, making sure nothing happens to your wiki without your knowledge and approval. While this may not be healthy for the site, it is understandablr, and it would only require that any major change would be run past you, and that you are involved in planning and executing any such major change. I think this would not be too much to be asked from the admins. However, you'd still need to explain why something should be implemented or not, because the amount of work put into it by one party should elicit an equal or similar amount of work to negate it. Anyway, what if both parties just state what they'd want, instead of my guesswork? Is there still hope?<br />
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::::::::::::The short answer is no. Those of us who are leaving no longer have anything we want from Green Dragon, we no longer have any demands, and there is nothing he can do to regain our trust. We have made our decision, and there is absolutely no possibility that we will come back. I cannot stress this enough: '''it's too late'''. Green Dragon has lost a large chunk of his active userbase, and you are absolutely free to join us in our new wiki. Out of courtesy to Green Dragon, I will not link the new wiki on this site; however, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for the link. --Daniel Draco 07:30, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== The Tavern ==<br />
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If you don't mind, please come to the tavern. Things must be discussed. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 15:21, 12 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Google Ads ==<br />
Will the wiki be trying to alleviate operation costs permanently with the new ads? Just curious. I know it had been a bit since the last fundraiser. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:00, 15 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:A question I have. I'm not sure how these are appearing to others, but I'm not getting the typical Google Smart Ads that put up something similar. I'm just getting random junk ads (i.e. for Solar Power or Natural Herbs). I would think Smart Ads that put up D&D like stuff would get more clicks and thus more money coming in. I don't know how they run it, it just surprised me that it wasn't a "smart ads" type of program. I'm seeing smart ads on the normal pages - it looks like its mainly the login/logoff pages and pages being editted that just throw up a random thing. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:14, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== An attempt to help you maintain your patrons ==<br />
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I feel it neccessary to speak up at least once on all of this bullshit. I am only reading about this whole 'power struggle', but from what I have seen, you have been totally unreasonable. The admins of your site wanted to improve it (as there ARE way too many 'dambass' pages floating around), and you seemed to be taking well to their ideas (putting your own spin on it, but staying with the general idea). Then when they began to impliment said actions (which you agreed on), you shot it down, claiming it was illogical. You yourself agreed to this illogical action. Then when ONE arrogant moron of an admin bans you from your site (which I agree was totally uncalled for), you end all adminship and close the site. Then you proceed to go into full-on tyrant mode. Now, you ask for an intelligent question, here; I understand temporarily revoking all admin rights until you sorted it out, to avoid being banned again. But why shut down the site for ANY period of time, in consequence punishing the little-folk for one morons actions? You really do need to help us to understand what is going on in your head. If you can do this without throwing some sort of an insult at someone, you may have a chance at saving your site. But at the rate these talks are going, you are going to lose not only the majority of your patrons, but also 9/10ths of your homebrew material. I love this site and the immense material that it holds, but if you continue on your current path, I am sorry to say that I will be one of the ones that leaves for the greener pastures of the newly created site. I do hope you chafe course and help us to understand what is going on in your head tho. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 00:50, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Just wanted to speak up, it's true that it ''did'' inconvenience us "little folk" when the site went down. That same day I had wanted to show someone my guide for a game they had the same day to show them the basics of character building, but was unable to due to the site being completely down and short messages taking its place. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:54, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Er... Aarnott is not a moron. What he did was in line with the Wikipedia policies that this site adheres to and was meant to tell Green Dragon that he was acting way out of line. The act, itself, was perfectly called for; Green Dragon was banning people attempting to talk to him about what he'd done and, by extrapolating from this sequence of events, it's safe to say that saying "wtf r u doin" on his talk page would have gotten Aarnott banned as well, in whatever kind of blind fury that had overtaken Green Dragon.<br />
:: As noted, Sabreheim's post is completely misinformed, then. The site probably won't lose most of it's good homebrew material because Green Dragon probably won't let it happen; nevermind he's done it before, he doesn't seem to be accepting Speedy Deletion (again, part of the policies he's noted this wiki adheres to, time and time again), this is probably due to his realization that people ARE leaving and he doesn't want to lose traffic or articles. Maybe someone should have thought about that before... --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:35, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Thank You! ==<br />
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I just wanted to say thank you for the welcome and mention that I hope my presence here can help the community. :) I have some homebrew items to add that I'm not sure how to make up---the HTML here is tricky---but I will be going over the editing pages to find out how to add them. One final thing, though: Where would diseases go on the Wiki? I have quite a few medieval illness piled up and would like to add them. [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 03:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I made a new section: [[3.5e Diseases]]. I would love to hear what you think about it or what could be improved with it (if needed). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::The page is good, though I am having a difficult time trying to figure out what a naturally-caused disease (bacterial, viral, etc) would be in the scheme of Su, Ps, Sp or Ex. I'm going to mark it as Ex for the moment, unless you can somehow change that to include Nd or Na for "Naturally occuring diseases" (though I am aware this would involve adding a new page to the homebrew to explain away the natural aspects). As for the explanation of the disease, I'll have to look them up again, heh. It looks great and thanks again! [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 12:50, 20 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Permissions Issue ==<br />
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I have an issue maintaining the SRD. I've lost the ability to edit. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:40, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Ah, you must have missed the wikipocalypse. There is a very good summary of it [[User talk:Calidore_Chase#To_recap|here]]. If you want a link to the new wiki, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for it. --Daniel Draco 13:08, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'll give them back soon. Sorry I just had an issue with the backend of D&D Wiki (and a bit of the frontend as well) and as a result permissions were changed (for the moment I am the only bureaucrat and only admin). I'll give them back in a few days, I'm just letting things calm down a bit, etc. If you need them now (I trust you enough) could you let me know please within a few hours? I am going to drive for a few days and will not have internet for a bit; so if you let me know sooner then later I will have time to give them back to you. Also I am going to keep it with me being the only bureaucrat; just so you know. But I will give back all the admin privileges soon (or now - depending). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: So... basically this wiki will go unadmined for a few days? >_> I've reverted vandalism on at least 2 pages (don't remember if I did others) and the offender wasn't blocked. If you're away or aren't keeping watch on the wiki, at the very least assign people who will block vandals, take on administrative duties, and so on? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I know. I have been re-thinking about which admins I can trust on D&D Wiki and am not positive if I want to give back admin rights now and/or to whom. Although I see what you mean. I will post another thing before I head off a bit after I think about it a bit more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:55, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I will have internet once again around the 19thish. I'll (for the moment) keep userrights how they are - although probably on the 19th or 20th I will reinstate them. If people would not mind please keep an eye out for vandals (and thanks already [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] for doing so). And sorry about that SRD issue - I hope waiting a few days will work as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I can wait until the bullets stop flying. When I get time, I'll wade through the vast arguments going. I only look at SRD changes on a daily basis, so I am amazingly ignorant of the recent iconoclasm. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:55, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. Also I will give permissions back when things have calmed down; no need to worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Professionalism==<br />
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Hmm, lots of chatter these days about admin drama. Even us little-known users have taken notice. Looks like a few admins are displeased. We little-known users hope this minor conflict will all be resolved soon. I myself would like to thank GreenDragon for cancelling the Rating Group idea. IMO it was a thoughtful decision. I would also like to thank all Admins for the great work they do and have done on behalf of the community. Thank you all Admins for your wonderful ideas and contributions. We small-town users look forward the resolution of this minor conflict of interest. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:The problem is that he ''didn't'' cancel it. He stated that he didn't like idea. He never vetoed it. He never said that he was putting any authority into his disagreement. All disagreement he stated was phrased conversationally. It wasn't until he '''''banned''''' TK-Squared for starting to implement it that we had any indication that he was giving it an official "no". Using such an aggressive action as a ban as the first indication of a veto is, in my opinion, not professional at all.<br />
:I would also like to point out that the issue has been resolved. The resolution is that those of us who don't feel that we can trust Green Dragon anymore have moved to a new wiki (which I will gladly link to you [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|via private means of communication]]). --Daniel Draco 16:02, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Vandalism==<br />
I have reason to believe that TK has resorted to vandalism[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=TK-Squared&namespace=&year=&month=-1] in his disgust with you. Admins have better ability to control this than I, and I really don't feel like running around in circular thought with an individual anymore. Could you try to step in on this? Thanks. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:23, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Shame he saw fit to demote all his System Operators because of his tantrum, ain't it? I sure could just get Surgo down here right now to do something about it. What a shame, looks like I get to do what I want with my work, eh? Now, stop vandalising my pages. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:26, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::You realize that your above statement just proves your own childishness. Maybe Green Dragon was wrong to begin with, but now he is fully justified. D&Dwiki is a collaborative effort. You have repeatedly refused to collaborate with other individuals. This should be the final straw. GD, if available, I would like to open up a Request for Ban on TK. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:28, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: You're not quite getting it, are you? The Ratings Committee? That was a "collaborative effort". Quite a few people agreed on it, so I went about helping realize the dream. So, where was the "community" when Green Dragon said "No, you're banned for doing this"? I don't know; maybe you're feigning ignorance or maybe this internet is REALLY getting to you, you throw around thinks like "being childish" and "your argument now sux" and "refusal to collaborate with others".<br />
::: And it's hilarious. This entire thing; hilarious. Especially since Green Dragon's gone for 2-3 days. Dear, oh dear. Looks like I'll actually have control over my own creations, what a novelty. Chill out, relax. Play some b-ball outside-a school. Would you have your oral orifice so wrapped if you were banned during the tantrum? Dear, oh dear. But, at least you've stopped vandalising my pages. Chin chin, old chap. --18:36, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::The thing is Liam, I do understand, and I personally feel like GD overstepped and was wrong too. You know how you win in a situation like this? Obviously not, because devolving into vandalism kills any argument you had. Now you're no better than what you said he was, and you have no high ground to stand on. Revert to your typical "e-bullying" trying to make yourself feel better, but I'm not impressed. You reacted incorrectly to the situation, and for as much as you talk about being mature, you repeatedly showcase that you are not. I require no response from you, good day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:41, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::: Yeah, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikihounding#Posting_of_personal_information Liam]. I'd like to request a ban from George here for calling me weird names. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:54, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::You admitted your identity in the Tavern smart one (remember, I'm the one who combs through the Tavern histories!). Freely given information may be freely repeated. Those who lose their sense of anonymity tend to lose their e-peen bullying nature as well. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:01, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::: So... are we using wikipedia policies? Or not? Or only when it's convenient? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 19:02, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::: All my actions are within the Wikipedia Policies. Please brush up, Timothy. Furthermore, oh no; my name is been revealed. OH SHIT, IF ONLY PEOPLE DIDN'T FIND OUT I'm LIAM BENJAMIN WHITE. Oh wait. Nice try, Hooper, nice try. But, you're still not funny enough; try to add some irony or wit! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:09, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Sure, your last name is "[[w:Dodds_(surname)|White]]." Sure thing. Yawn. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:12, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sure is. Why? Worried someone lied on the internet? Should have your stalking up to date, buddy. I saw what you tried to do with the yawn there, but it just didn't have any kick to it. I mean, I know being funny doesn't come natural to some people (unlike myself, of course), but at least try. Go on, put some effort into it, George. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:18, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I second [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]]'s thoughts above. (Sorry Ghost, just saw that). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:21, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Woah, sorry about that. Got called away to do some cool stuff, etc. Anyway, as I was saying; you've got to try to be funnier. If you get a few jokes in, a few witty quips and maybe touch on some irony, you'll loosen up, y'know. Also, still doing Hunter? I tried Hunter once, got to 40 and changed from BM to Marksman. Totally a mistake, I think, and stopped playing it. Oh, and, er... Stop agreeing with people, or something. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:45, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Wow, [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] I think you need a break. First off insults are not a good option, stalking is not a good option, and overall I think you need to take a break for a bit. I think (instead of posting things all the time) you should spend 30 minutes thinking about the rating commitie thing (and what it could mean), that websites have backends, and that some people are shit as people. After that maybe you should post; keeping in mind civility. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:18, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:What, exactly (and I mean that), is your objection to the Rating Committee? I was not as for it as others, but it did seem like a step in the right direction, so I'm curious as to why you are so adamantly opposed to it. And please don't call me stupid for calling it a step in the right direction, I just want to know why you hate it so. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:38, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content). Other then that reason there is no reason for a committee; one can also find people and email then about things to keep everything in check or to check articles for completeness in any case. Adding a fake hierarchical tier onto D&D Wiki for no reason is pointless and counterproductive in my mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::"First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content)."<br />
:::I feel the need to point out here that this claim is completely unsubstantiated. If, to quote you, "we use logic here", then statements must be proven in order to be accepted as truth (according to the very definition of logic). --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 00:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::: I've had disagreements with several other users as to what's "balanced" or not. If there was such a committee, would it make my comments worth less than those of people who were on the committee? Would they be disregarded out of hand? Who would make sure they weren't? What if the committee couldn't disagree on what's balanced? Why should they have the primary say in what's balanced and what isn't? As human beings, we're all biased. On a public forum such as this where everyone should be equal, it doesn't feel right that there are those who count for more--the obvious exception being admins of course, since admin duties require a level of authority beyond that of general users for locking pages, blocking vandalists, etc. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:06, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I have a few thoughts on the matter, some of which are in accordance with what you (Green Dragon) just professed, other that are not.<br />
:::::#I agree that the template system is advantageous in that anyone can apply templates, but if the two systems have different goals (read on) the superiority of the template reviewing process should be expected. <br />
:::::#With that said, there's no reason why the two systems could not exist side by side. The template reviewing system exists to bring articles up to an acceptable quality (improvement), while a rating committee would exist to acknowledge articles of superior quality (recognition). That's what I think the rating committee idea was at least in part about. There are thousands of 'useable' articles on the wiki, yet we have had only five featured articles (one of which, [[Cassia (3.5e Deity)|Cassia]], we seemed to agree was not really FA quality). To put it in a more tame light, a rating committee would be a compromise between the five featured articles in existence and a mountain of unsorted mediocrity.<br />
:::::#You say fake hierarchical tier... given that some of the users in question were just that, users, you have a point, and I understand your concern. But if you were to have a category or rank for these users, such as sysop or moderator, or whatever (something other than generic user--pardon my unfamiliarity with the subject matter) then said hierarchy would not be fake, but rather real. If such status were obtained the same way as a Request for Adminship and could be lost in the same manner, that would mitigate a few of the concerns, I think. Having certain limitations or requirements, such as a mandatory X articles reviewed per month but no more than Y nominations per month would ensure an activity level that the template reviewing system can only dream of. Committee members could be exempt at times due to other responsibilities (i.e. life), but you get the idea. There's nothing that creates interest like progress. Knowing your article is in queue for a look over by someone relatively well-respected within the community--it gives an incentive that the template reviewing process cannot really emulate.<br />
:::::#As for the reasoning for such a committee, well it's really about recognition, isn't it? We are all on here for various reasons, whether is to share our own ideas or to borrow from those of others, but I don't think anyone posts anything in that hope that it sits ignored for all eternity. That's the other nice thing about a rating committee, that it could recognize more than our numerical class rating system can. Flaws, feats, weapon enhancements, whatever: ingenuity rewarded wherever it may be found, not just in a select area that commands variable levels of interest from different users.<br />
:::::In conclusion, I'm not sure that such a system would work now even if you were to endorse it, because to be frank, there aren't that many users here I would trust with that power (and let's face it, that's what it is, and you are right to be cautious with how such authority is distributed). Anyway, like the disenchanted and departed members of the wiki maintained, this was supposed to be in the best interests of the wiki. There's no reason you couldn't give it a trial run and see how you, and the community at large, like it. I will address Ghostwheel's just added concern in a moment, but right now I want to get this up for consideration. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:10, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::@Ghostwheel: to answer your concern, you have balance points. That way, Tome classes can be well-received within their own vacuum, and so can other classes with more orthodox power levels. My other thought would be that the committee wouldn't look over each submitted article as a whole (that would take far too long), but rather one person would review an article, and it would be taking off the waiting list. If the article's author was unsatisfied, they could re-submit it, and when it's time came it would have to be reviewed by a different committee member than the original reviewer. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:17, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::: If it's as you described it, it seems more like a committee whose purpose is finding articles, making sure their quality (not balance) is up to snuff, and potentially making them featured articles--that doesn't sound bad in the least. However, about Tome classes being in their own vacuum, perhaps we should make some sort of template for tome classes that adds the caveat explaining in what sort of environment the Tome classes were made for--that is, one in which all the clerics use DMM to buff themselves to incredible heights, the wizards are gods, and druids roam the landscape (if I'm understanding correctly). That said, [[Jester_(3.5e_Class)|there]] [[Thief-Acrobat_(3.5e_Class)|are]] [[Assassin,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|a]] [[Monk,_Tome_(DnD_Class)|few]] [[Knight,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome]] [[Fighter,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|classes]] [[Shadowdancer,_Tome_(DnD_Prestige_Class)|that]] feel balanced for the most part, even in games that don't use [[User:Ghostwheel/3.x_Banned_List|cheesy]] (at least IMO) material. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::To be frank, balance is a part of quality. But as you say, the goal of a rating committee would be to, in my mind, find quality articles, not balanced ones (although as I say, the two do tend to go hand in hand). For classes, I would say that [[User:Jota#Ratings|anything I rate a 17 or above]] on the current scale would get my vote (were I on such a committee), which includes articles for which I have had some reservations about their power. A 12.50 or so out of 15 (no flavor/formatting) might also suffice. Other material is a little different, but that's all semantics right now. As for your other idea, talk of something similar happened in the past, although it was never implemented. Part of the reason was the disclaimer was incorrect, since Tome material is not the explicit creation of solely Frank and K: -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:11, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::: Hmmm... perhaps it might simply be worded differently? Something along the lines of, "This page contains materials based on the original work created by Frank & K. As such, it has been made with the concept in mind that a character of a certain level should be able to take on creatures with a CR equal to their level without much trouble, as well as assuming a certain power level of all characters, and is balanced in a way as to allow for this."<br />
::::::::: However, even with this I'm unsure if it would work, since many people wouldn't understand exactly what this meant--that clerics go crazy with DMM, wizards go before everyone else with Celerity, and druids become bears that fly around, summoning whirlwinds and shooting fire from their eyes, so without some sort of explanation somewhere just that might be problematic.<br />
::::::::: Also, even that text is misleading; for me, ToB + XPH material is where I find my "sweet spot" for balance, and many of the classes presented there (no, I don't mean the Soulknife) are able to take down a monster of their CR (though the CR guidelines have their own problems, but let's not get sidetracked too far) without too much trouble, especially under ideal conditions. Yet these classes are underpowered compared to some of the classes (I'm especially looking at you, Prestige Classes) published under Tome material, which leads to some discrepancy in what we said before. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 01:21, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Perhaps those classes were made with the idea in mind that no prestige class levels would be taken (Tome Barbarian, for example). Most base classes that are not Tome material seem inferior to prestige classes once those PrC's are accessible, given that for many PrC's you can acquire many of the same benefits that the base class would grant you (bonus spell levels for casters, etc.) while also providing unique abilities. Under such an assumption, why would you ever take levels in a base class (say, wizard) again after you have reached the requirements for a desired PrC? As a result, the aforementioned Tome Barbarian is loaded with powerful abilities so that it can be competitive at every level with a prestige-classed wizard even if the player took Tome Barbarian at every level. It's an incentive to go all the way to level 20, which is something that rarely seems to be done with most SRD classes. So, yeah, they probably seem overpowered, at least compared to the SRD Classes that many supporters of Tome material consider so weak that they're almost ineffectual at high levels. Now, this doesn't always seem to be the case with Tome material (in the case of classes that are shortened to 15 levels to allow, one would guess, for PrC advancement). <br />
::::::::::I'm not sure if I was on base with that at all; my head is still whirring from reading the rest of the conversation thus far. Pardon me if I was mistaken. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 06:28, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Close, but not quite what I meant when I mentioned Prestige Classes. You can see my personal philosophy on prestige classes [[Talk:Magus_Portalus_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|here]] (bottom-most post there currently); thus, prestige classes [[Ninja_of_Gax_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|that]] [[Paladin_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|give]] [[Defiler_of_Temples_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|you]] [[Seeker_of_the_Lost_Wizard_Traditions_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|casting]] without really losing anything, or having prereqs that force you to sacrifice something don't sit well with me. Straight wizards and clerics are powerful enough as-is without PrC abilities; adding PrCs make them even stronger, which causes imbalance. Do you get what I'm trying to say? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 12:20, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Ah, I see. The tome PrC's essentially are unbalanced because every level adds bonus spellcasting as well as class features (therefore, if they alternated between class features and spellcasting levels, they would be more balanced)? It makes sense, but I'm not 100% sure I agree. I can't really make a rebuttal at this time, but I'll give it some thought. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 14:25, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::If they lost even 1 level of spellcasting at 1st level of the PrC, I'd probably say they were a lot more balanced, since then at least they're losing ''something'' to gain all the yummy class features. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:27, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I agree [[User:Jota|Jota]]. Someone (if desirable) should contact MW and see if they could make it so one could make new userprivilege groups (like what you are talking about). I thought about this at the time however I am not positive if MW would ever make that change.<br />
::::Also, here everyone goes who wanted to be part of some fake committee. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]], [[User:Rithaniel|Rithaniel]], [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]], [[User:Jota|Jota]], [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]], [[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]], [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]], and [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] (if you guys can only think this small) I appoint you to FA reviewers!!!!! Feel free to nominate articles for FA status, review them for FA status, etc etc. HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK!!! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(don't worry everyone else - there is no need to be appointed - only a need to know enough about D&D). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::GD, I assume you're being sarcastic? In addition, some of the people you're yelling at had nothing to do with this. They're people I, personally, nomianted, some of which had never even heard about the RC idea. Thus, I hope you don't plan on taking more retaliatory action on the list as a whole. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:42, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Insubstantially patronizing us, eh GD? That's a fantastic way to get back on our good sides. Note the sarcastic tone in my voice.<br />
:::::::I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly.<br />
:::::::Also, if you're going to elevate yourself above the rest of us, that makes you not just the owner, but also the de facto leader. As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously. Your last comment displayed neither, and in fact displayed the exact opposites of those needed qualities. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 06:28, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances. Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee. At this time one cannot. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I really like the way Green Dragon runs this site. Its like the military. Have a problem? Then the answer is: "To bad. Lifes not fair. Suck it." For guys like me, this makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work Green Dragon. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:18, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There are two possibilities there:<br />
:#The internet is a poor medium for sarcasm.<br />
:#You must be oxygen-deprived from receiving a white dragon from Green Dragon. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 20:25, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::@Jay Freedman: Ah, but this is not the military. And even a military setting, without the active participation and satisfaction of the individual the whole will wither and die. To continue your military analogy, this would be like if the sergeant of a company ordered all of his men to charge blindly at a superior enemy with no sound reasoning. The veteran members, sensing flaws in the sergeant's plan, desert quickly after realizing that nothing will change their superior's mind and take all their weapons and ammunition with them. The rest of the company is left with what they have, but without veteran leadership their performance will suffer.<br />
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::Poor example aside, let me just say that while GD may have been right in being angry at being banned from his own site, the other admins were in effect pushed towards those measures by repeated occurences of GD punishing those who were only acting in what they had collectively agreed to be the Wiki's best interests (since there has already been a huge quarrel on this issue I will try to speak no more of it). The point is, the site is pretty much irrevocably fractured, with basically the entire trusted user base (some exceptions exist) gone within a period of a few days. Even some who have elected to stay are still left without the admins who helped make this Wiki a better site as well as without a seriously reasonable and unbiased explanation of why the conflict took place (most people who have been reading up on this know that it's pretty much because of the conflict over a possible Ratings Committee proposal, but others who were not involved in said conflict were banned as well).<br />
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::As the situation stands presently, there is now a rival Wiki comprising the users who are attempting to form their own vision of D&D Wiki without Green Dragon. There is also a huge pile-up of junk pages and dumb IP edits since none of the admins are left to monitor the day-to-day activities of the Wiki (while he may be the owner of this site, Green is to the extent of my knowledge only one person and can only do so much). In that sense, things now seem in a pretty bad state. How can you concievably call that a good way to run any website, let alone one that basically depends on the contributions of its users for appeal? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 20:57, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Daniel Draco's Counterpoints ==<br />
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I would like to point out to everyone that GD has once again banned me, for a period of one day, on the basis of my last comment, which he categorized as "Intimidating behaviour/harassment". So, first, my rebuttal:<br />
* CHAPTER ONE -- "Whine Kampf"<br />
:* "As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously." <small>''--me''</small><br />
:* "One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances." <small>''--Green Dragon''</small><br />
:* Huh. Really. Alright, hypothetical situation. Metaphor Incorporated<sup>1</sup> is a company<sup>2</sup> of moderate size, with happy, active, and loyal staff<sup>3</sup>. Its CEO<sup>4</sup>, Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup>, has always been capable and at least somewhat reasonable in her<sup>6</sup> job. One day, a client<sup>7</sup> does something that she<sup>6</sup> disagrees with, but which her<sup>6</sup> staff<sup>3</sup> thought was a good idea. In an action that is universally seen as irrational<sup>8</sup>, she<sup>6</sup> put all her<sup>6</sup> staff<sup>3</sup> on suspension for an indefinite period of time, regardless of whether or not they were involved. When finally they regain the ability to communicate with her<sup>6</sup>, Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> refuses to offer any explanation or apology for her<sup>6</sup> words and actions, which continue to be generally irrational<sup>8</sup>. Fed up with her<sup>6</sup> ridiculously inappropriate actions, a leader emerges among the disgruntled staff<sup>3</sup>: Lee Dur<sup>9</sup>. He goes off to found a new company<sup>2</sup>, Metaphors Unlimited<sup>10</sup>, bringing along with him a good portion of the staff<sup>3</sup> and clients<sup>7</sup>, leaving Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> behind. The end. Now tell me, if Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> had been respectful and professional, would she<sup>6</sup> have lost so much?<br />
:* Footnotes:<small><br />
:# The D&D Wiki<br />
:# website<br />
:# admin(s)<br />
:# owner<br />
:# Green Dragon<br />
:# his/he/him<br />
:# user(s)<br />
:# psychotic<br />
:# Surgo<br />
:# Dungeons and Dragons Wiki<br />
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* CHAPTER TWO -- "Brain (Dis-)Trust"<br />
:* "I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly." <small>''--me''</small><br />
:* "Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee." <small>''--Green Dragon''</small><br />
:* "committee: a body of persons delegated to consider, investigate, take action on, or report on some matter" <small>''--Merriam-Webster''</small><br />
:* "Assuming we are all persons: had the committee actually formed, we would have been delegated (assigned responsibility and authority) to take action on rating articles; therefore, we would have been a committee." <small>''--the core principles of logic''</small><br />
* CONCLUSION<br />
:* I would like to point out that I am fully aware that this post is, somewhat ironically, disrespectful and unprofessional. The differences are that 1) I am not the owner of the site and 2) I have not taken any substantial action with this post, where a substantial action is something such as banning every admin. --Daniel Draco 22:06, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Oh, so it's ''Surgo'' who runs the new site? Well, forget ''that'', then. I could barely stand his manner when he was admin... I think I'll stay. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 14:39, 22 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Wow, it's been a while since I posted here. I haven't really kept up on everything that has been going on, but I don't think my lack of reading is relevant to replying to your comment, Mythos. Surgo is a very good admin for the new wiki. I had my reservations about him before because he can come off as an abrasive individual, but he has really stepped up and done an excellent job. To me, there doesn't even seem to be a choice anymore, however. One stray comment here will randomly provoke a ban (this will probably be my last comment here anyways, so I'm not too concerned about speaking up).<br />
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::Surgo doesn't have any interest in leveraging the fact that it is "his website" to get his way. It isn't even hosted by him: he wouldn't even have any grounds to do that if he tried. In fact, there is someone Surgo reports to (so to speak) that if he started acting out of line like a supreme dictator, the community could go this other person to instead of being at his mercy. I don't know about you, but the thought of losing 2 years of my dedication and work at the whim of one person that '''bans people for trying to discuss things rationally''' seems like a bad idea.<br />
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::It's not going to make a huge difference to me one way or another if you decide to come to the new wiki or not. I just hope that anyone who thinks "bleck, Surgo is terrible" '''considers carefully''' the choice that they are making. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:59, 23 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::And, as always, I will gladly give the link to anyone [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|privately]]. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:57, 23 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Editing someone else's homebrew class ==<br />
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You may have noticed that I've taken an interest in the jewelmancer class, and it seems to have been abandoned by it's creator, but not marked for deletion (therefore un-open to adoption). I just want to be sure that I won't be causing any problems if I make extensive edits like what I posted on the discussion page. I've read the wiki behaviour guidelines, but I know that there tends to be certain customs in groups that aren't always spelled out, so I figured I would ask before hand to be sure I don't cause any trouble. I'm also new to doing such intensive edits on a wiki page, and perhaps a bit shy about it. Thank you for your time.<br />
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== Your New Adoption Policy ==<br />
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If I can get the original author to agree, or even if that isn't that case, could pages liked TK-Squared's, and whomever wants their material deleted simply be locked instead of removing the author template and putting them up for adoption? I say this because you have [[User:Jeeves|some ignorant asshole]] running around changing things that other people liked and rated highly into something entirely different. I can understand your desire to keep this material because most of it is pretty good, but I think if you want to do that it would be better to lock it with the original author template rather than put these things up for adoption. Most of them are finished anyway, so it's not like you'd be locking something half-completed. Afterward they can be maintained in the same manner that Dmilewski maintains the SRD: post it on a talk page, and an admin can make the requisite corrections. My big issue with this is credit where credit is not due. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 06:56, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I find it interesting that a user pops up immediately after the adoption thing comes up, and is very knowledgeable in the workings of the wiki. I hate to cast doubt on anyone, and would love to be proven wrong, but I feel like the user may be someone else trying to abuse or make little of the adoption change. Just thoughts. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 08:01, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Wow, play nice guys. Maybe this chap could become a big contributor to the wiki. Ain't stuff here always submitted with the warning "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, then don't submit it here." I mean he did adopt the stuff legit. Of course, I have noticed his idea's of balance are different. But that could be a good thing right? --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:17, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Yeah, after re-reading the above I came across wrong. I just want us to be cautious after recent events, to make sure people don't try to sabotage anything. But after re-reading this particular persons contribs, I actually personally agree with some of the changes. Mostly seems legit, just different from the original author's intent. That is going to be a touchy subject. Personally I'll play it safe and just make variants if I want to change something, to try to keep the peace. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:42, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::: While I am not entirely pleased with these gross and misinformed edits on my once-beautiful and nigh-perfect creations, I suppose attempting to do anything about it would only allow me to revel in the backlash from ardent "supporters", although not the exact word I planned to use, of Green Dragon's nigh-despotic regime, so I'll do simply what I can.<br />
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:::: All pages "adopted" by Jeeves that were once my creations or were adopted previously by me '''do not''' have my permission to be redistributed/altered (kept on this wiki) under the title that I published them in, include all previous revisions. This is my right as the original creator of the material under the GNU Free Documentation License 1.2 (GFDL) and cannot be argued with (GFDL Section 4, Subsection A). Furthermore, I expect an exact copy of all my previous versions to be kept in the history, otherwise this will contravene the GFDL Section 4, Subsection I.<br />
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:::: This should be done quickly and with efficiency. I do not include the adoption of my articles by Jota at this current time, since he has not made any edits to them and they are, essentially, still my work and have not been redistributed and/or altered. Thanking you for your swift compliance with my wishes. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:39, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::TK, as long as the history of an active page is shown - it meets all the requirements. You may be misinterpreting that bit of the text of License. There was even a wikipedia arbitration case on the matter way back in the day. Plus, you didn't catch this part: ''"You may not use technical measures to obstruct or control the reading or further copying of the copies you make or distribute."''. Not saying I agree either way, just putting it here. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:47, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{quote|A. Use in the Title Page (and on the covers, if any) a title distinct from that of the Document, and from those of previous versions (which should, if there were any, be listed in the History section of the Document). ''You may use the same title as a previous version if the original publisher of that version gives permission.''|orig=[http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html GNU Free Distribution License]]}}<br />
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:::::: --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 13:51, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::The wording of that bit doesn't make sense in regards to wikis, it is very ambiguous. Does it mean previous version of the same page, or previously deleted page by the same title? Two different things. Hmmm. Looking into. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:55, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Reading legal text is like running in circles. Or nascar. But after reading and going through support pages on it, it appears like its basically right. But it has never had to been enforced because people either outright delete the pages or they just move the page to a new page name, both of which are legal apparently. Odd. GNU Free is about four legal loopholes away from public domain. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:22, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::To touch on another thing, could you please expound on why Sulacu's name should be removed from the deviant page? I'm not sure I understand your reasoning. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:11, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::You cannot license that license. We use the GNU FDL not the GFLD. -- [User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:13, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::this: ::::::::::The "GFDL" '''is''' the [[GNU Free Documentation License]]. Your latest edits violate section 4, part B, of that license (which all the content on this wiki is licensed under). -- {{User:Wolf_Dancer|Wolf_Dancer]] 9:20, 25 August.<br />
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:::::::::::Oh, that. It's called the history tab - I am not sure if you have ever heard about it or not. Like on Wikipedia (pretty sure). Sorry, I thought you were talking about the GGPL; above I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:31, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:When you say 'you cannot license that license'... are you referring to me? I'm still not sure you've answer my question... -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:36, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::History tab. Wikipedia does not even use authors; fyi. And they use the same license. I please say do not talk if you do not know what you are talking about. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:41, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::You don't need authors to present facts. No one invents a fact, it just is. In contrast, the deviant is Sulacu's creation regardless of where it is presented, and it would not have existed had she not taken the time to create it. As far as that other stuff, I couldn't really give two expletives about Wikipedia policies since sometimes this site seems to follow them, at other times not so much. Furthermore, you could do a better job of not being so demeaning. There were edits between yours and mine; how am I to know who you are addressing with your run-on sentences? -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 22:52, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::'''DO NOT SUBMIT COPYRIGHTED WORK WITHOUT PERMISSION!''' means that it is under the GNU FDL. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:54, 25 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::To respond to one of Hooper's earlier points, I agree that technical measures can't be taken to prevent work from being viewed or copied on a Wiki. But in this particular case, the [[User:Jeeves|person]] adopting TK's work is editing it, which goes beyond the idea of copying it for redistribution. I don't know anything about Wikipedia's policies (in all honesty, I am of the opinion that a Wiki such as this cannot and should not be governed by the same rules as Wikipedia), but the fact remains that Jeeves is taking credit for TK's work when all he did was emasculate the classes under the ''false'' premise that they are overpowered. He didn't use any normal things (like, say, the discussion page, a balance template, or some combination of both); all he did was change the numerical values of the class from acceptable to piss-poor and take all the credit for their good points when all he did was make them suck. Original homebrew work that has been judged to be of good quality (like much of the work left by TK and others has) deserves just as much respect as SRD material (especially because quite a bit of SRD material sucks). -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:00, 26 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::@Jay Freedman: Additionally, even if he legitimately adopted it, what's the point of changing an adopted work when the general community was pretty much happy with it (a 20/20 rating with no arguments to the contrary sounds like that to me)? If he wanted to make his own terribly underpowered, dirt-eating variant, he could go ahead and do so by making his own version on a seperate page. "Edited mercilessly and redistributed at will" should imply that they can take it and use an edited version for themselves, not change that actual work already present on the page. Adopted or not, his changes are simply a load of crap. In my opinion, if he ever becomes a big-time user, this place will really have gone to hell. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 07:12, 26 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::@TG Cid. Yeah, his edits are pretty cocky. It would seem like a silly thing to do, to assume your judgement is better than this communities. I was hoping his edits would be positive. Guess I'm just a nice guy... Anyway. I hope he decides to fix his edits and just create varients. (Everybody loves Varients right? Hell yeah!) --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 10:46, 26 August 2009 (MDT)(and may the force by with you)<br />
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::::::::Ya, one can always respond about his edits on that articles talk page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:13, 26 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Candidates for Deletion ==<br />
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I was going through the "Wanted Categories" page, making categories not redlinked and such. I ran across the old '''[[:Category:Candidates for deletion]]''' from before the time we did Deletion the way we do now. Anyways, it has a few articles that still link to it - and I was going to remove it from the page and place them up for proper deletion, but the pages continuously reload and do very odd stuff, and I cant remove them. Could you take a look at it and see what it does for you? Thanks. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:24, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Linked. I think that should work, if not I'll revert. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:29, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Okay, I was finally able to work around it. They were all made by the same user, [[User:Eyedog|Eyedog]], and he was using '''deletepage''' instead of just '''delete''', and it was doing some weird stuff. I've restored all the content to the pages and placed the proper deletion tag on it. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:38, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Delete&diff=prev&oldid=289062]. Actually that category was the old category in [[Template:Delete]] (one can change it... I have no idea how stupid you guys are...). It was also used as a medium category too; by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:38, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== My Pages ==<br />
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Could you please go ahead and lock them? --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 17:34, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I gave back userrights (save for your RfA) so anyone can. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:59, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Could you please add [[Template:Locked Page]] to them as well please, [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]] (or someone)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:03, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Ok I take care of that. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 19:42, 29 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Done. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:40, 30 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Thanks a lot for doing that, by the way. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:33, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Request ==<br />
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I would like to the deletion of most of my uncompleted work, I can do so with my administrative power but I want to make sure the pages won't be restored (I will put the pages I don't like to adoption). Thank you for your understanding. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:13, 31 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Lord Dhazriel, if you're leaving or just deleting some old work, please, let me go through the stuff you've published and possibly not finished. There's a lot of good ideas you had started that somebody ought to preserve... I'll do it, even. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 21:48, 31 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::You should just add the template and have it go through the standard process (see if anyone wants to adopt it, etc. Just like everyone normally does.). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:58, 31 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I know, however unfinished campaign setting or work compendium may be a little out of line for adoption. Also Mythos, feel free to adopt anything I put in adoption. This is why I am requesting the ability to delete these by bypassing the normal process. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 00:17, 1 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I mean why? They are still good ideas if one does decide to adopt it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:24, 1 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Well I can't see how someone can actually adopt my work compendium. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 10:28, 1 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Move it to a / of their usernamespace? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:02, 2 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Template:PatronageRace ==<br />
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GreenDragon, you left a comment on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page about it needing "to be made into a variant rule section (with sub-pages from the CS)" I don't understand what that means. I am new to wiki'ing, so that all sounds like gibberish to me. I left a comment on the talk page for clarification but haven't gotten a response. Could you explain to me what I need to do? --[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:15, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:See also [[Template talk:PatronageRace#Editing Question]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:44, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: I responded. You erred. These are not variant races and Patronage is not a Third Edition Campaign--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 07:21, 4 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::You left a new comment on my CS page indicatgin I shouldn't have "back to" links at the bottoms of my pages. Where did I include "back to" links on the bottom of any of my pages?! You still insist I have to fix my races, but as I've explained, there's nothing to fix. I don't have any variant races, and now I don't even have race-specific pages!! I don't know what you want, GD. Do you want me not to use Templates at all? Is that the problem? Please explain to me why you still think the way I present races in my CS is an issue because I can't figure it out.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 05:35, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Well, in this singular instance of breadcrumbs/back to, I think you misread that, wrecan. You're -supposed- to have breadcrumbs on your pages; the note says that they do not have them right now. If you don't know what this is referring too, I can give you some examples. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 07:55, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I figured out what you meant by "back to" links and eliminated them. Please get rid of that ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my CS page. And, as previously requested, please get rid of the ugly "Needs Formatting" template on my [[Template:PatronageRace]] page. Despite the name of the template, it's not a race template, and the pages that use it are simply describing the make up of different Realms in my CS.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:00, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I did misread! Sorry about that. okay. I'll start putting Back to links in. I thought that was optional.--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:04, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Actually, you never even got the actual back-to footers, which means that you don't know what they actually are. That's no problem, I'll put a few examples on your pages and you can take it from there. This part, at least, I can help with. I'm as lost as you are with the rest of what GD wants, though. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:08, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Thanks!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:11, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Wait--oh, you just got it on the anthropophage article. Good job, but man, this is getting confusing, and I've got to leave right about now. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 08:16, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::I'm a quick study. Thanks for your help. I think I've added Back To links to all my CS articles. Thanks for the help!!--[[User:Wrecan|Wrecan]] 08:34, 8 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Protection Request ==<br />
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I'd like to request that [[Reflexman (3.5e Optimized Character Build)]] be locked with the needs balance playtesting template. After reviewing the talk page, I feel like short term bans may be needed to myself, Jota, and Ghostwheel for edit warring. However, I still request the page reflect the true current state of the article. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:54, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:These guys dont need short term bans. They just need to learn from their mistake and move on. (And remember, Jay loves you all equally.) Thanks GD. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:31, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Bans are not issued by anyone above. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:27, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== GD edits Reflexman ==<br />
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I noticed you where browsing through the Talk page of the Reflexman Build. You where listing warnings for cussing and formatting it for users. I think that is awesome. I really never thought you would actually take the time to browse that puppy for content. If I had an award for above-and-beyond the call of duty, I would give it to you. Good job GD! --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 21:39, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Agreed. Having one active wiki admin with so much to do paying that much attention to one article, even if it has been a hotbed, well, thanks. Plus, on behalf of us all, apologies on all the formatting issues. I saw how many times you had to fix that. Wow. We suck at talk pages apparently. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:41, 3 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I did not finish the formatting if someone wants to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:24, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Protection Request==<br />
Hey Green Dragon, I was wondering if I could get a Protection from IP's template placed on my [[Hybrid Elite Warrior (3.5e Class)]]. Thanks. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 13:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Please, please, please... --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 5 September 2009 (MDT)(I heard begging helps)<br />
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::There's little reason to ask a second time. Either GD hasn't seen this page yet (in which case posting a second inquiry on the same page is useless) or he just hasn't gotten around to doing it yet (hardly an inconcievable scenario, given that he's the only active admin left). Even this reply seems like a waste of bandwidth. Besides, has anyone even tried to edit them (IP's, I mean)? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 16:41, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Um well, no, I guess. This is a preemptive strike. I plan on taking a vacation from this wiki and that article is the only one I want preserved from anonymous hit-an-runs. Seeing as GD is the only active admin. I thought it might be a good idea. And, asking twice makes me appear desperate and mildly determined,(all at the same time). Haha. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:02, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I will lock it in given time (when I see this again) but I gave userrights back... any other admin could be asked as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 01:34, 9 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Gotta ask...who are the "other admins"? Given the recent stir up could we get a page set up that keeps a list of "active" admins, so the rest of us know who to contact if we need help and you are busy? -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 05:53, 10 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Well, I am still semi-active... I can lock pages at least once a week.. (just depends on if I remember to check the wiki.) --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 01:35, 14 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Thanks for the response Sabre. I also found the "Meta Page" that has the Admins listed on it (although it is out-of-date and lists many non-Admins on it). I really think it should be moved up a level or two with a direct link to it from the "Main Page" (if it took me a few tries I think most would never find it). But again thanks for your response Sabre. -- [[User:Sepsis|Sepsis]] 09:25, 14 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::They are actually admins, just don't use this wiki anymore. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 15:47, 14 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Many still use this wiki; the list can be found on [[RfA]] (the main blue link). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:32, 15 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Confusing Edit ==<br />
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On [[Snake (4e Creature)|one of my pages]] you recently added [[Template:Wikify]] with the following explanation (and I quote): ''The ":" should not be in the Encounter Groups (see preload or Books for reference). Instead an extra line should be added. ALso either a breadcrumb should be added or the current "Back To" footer condensed ("by Level" etc).'' I am not entirely sure what you're trying to say here. There is no colon anywhere in the Encounter Groups section, nor could I find anything else in that section that seemed off, much less something that warranted the template. The second part is also poorly worded, and all I pulled out of it is that you want me to change the Back To footers in some manner. Please clarify what you want changed, as I really am at a loss O.o --[[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 18:44, 9 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I edited the page. If you look at my last edit does that clear up any confusion? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:56, 10 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh, I see what happened. You mentioned the Encounter Groups section, but you actually meant the Lore sections. I feel I should point out, however, that the colons are part of the preload and not something that I specifically added. Might be worth removing them from the preload if it is preferred that they not be added. Also, on the issue of the Back To footer, did you mean that instead of this:<br />
:::Back to [[Main Page]] &rarr; [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] &rarr; [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] &rarr; [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]] &rarr; [[4e Level 3 Creatures|Level 3 Creatures]].<br />
::It should be condensed to this:<br />
:::Back to [[Main Page]] &rarr; [[4e Homebrew|Homebrew]] &rarr; [[4e Creatures|Creatures]] &rarr; [[4e User Creatures by Level|User Creatures by Level]]<br />
::If so, that's another minor error you might want to look into, as the preload includes the former example and not the latter. Thanks for the clarification. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 12:46, 10 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Oh, your right. I meant the lore section instead, sorry. I must have not been thinking at the time. Although the colons have been removed from the preload for quite some while now ([http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=4e_Creature_Preload&diff=next&oldid=287610]). If you store a old copy of the preload on your computer you may want to update it (of course not using the old table and switching to the template (which needs to be updated on the preload sometime). And for the breadcrumb I would just use [[Template:4e Creatures Level 7 Breadcrumb]], etc. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:00, 10 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Ah, that would be the problem then - I've had my copy of the preload saved for several months now. I've added a breadcrumb for each CR on the page (something I normally do but must have forgotten on that page). Thanks again for taking the time to clarify what needed to be changed. -- [[User:Dracomortis|Dracomortis]] 22:17, 13 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Ya, I know what you mean. I would imagine another main reason is because the template for the creatures is not added as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:33, 15 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Clean Up ==<br />
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Noticed you hadn't gotten around to organizing the gallery on your user page. I will probably arrange them for you soon if you don't find the time. As a professional artist myself, a clean gallery is a must. Oh, and your talk page is super long and has a million MOI's on it. Time to clean your room GD. Hehe. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:50, 15 September 2009 (MDT)(The OCD guy.)<br />
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:Ya, I know. I always clean my damn userpage with time (see all the archives). Also, I find that the current layout of the pictures has a nice artistic touch; I find the placement to not only invoke thought and wonder but also stretch ones thoughts. Although, to be honest, they are slowly getting old on my userpage and I may remove them soon. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:48, 16 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Sounds good. You da' boss. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 17:04, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It's my userpage... You are in charge of your userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== What Happened to the Tavern?! ==<br />
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Hey, what happened to the tavern. It simply is not working, and the search doesnt seem to be working the same either. Changes? {{Unsigned|Dumai|17:52, 17 September 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:I need to get a bit more RAM to be able to get the Tavern back up and running with the servers. Most likely I will spend some of the google ads money on buying some more RAM. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:53, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::What kind of funds need to be raised? Perhaps a fundraiser like years ago? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:54, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I was planning on using some google ads money for RAM but if people think that a little fundraiser should be organized as well I am more then willing. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I'm sure every bit could help. $5 and $10 here and there can't hurt at least. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:59, 17 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Do we even HAVE anybody left who still posts here? Besides us three, that is... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 10:59, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Yes, the site has been just as active lately as ever, only the "tavern crowd" is gone. The site is improving on a daily basis and will continue to do so. In the last 30 days alone there have been over 42 active users (plus plenty of IP edits), so yes, yes we are very active considering. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 11:05, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Thank God. I hated having to go in there to ask for feedback and getting sarcastic commentary. Maybe it's funny to the younger users, but to an old-timer like myself it seemed pretty juvenile and pointless. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 13:09, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Same here. I put up with it for years but recently started treating them the same way they treat others and they literally can not handle it. They freak out. Really pathetic actually. I hope this helps others learn how to be properly collaborative in the future. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:44, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Maybe we could have a vote and see if more users like the tavern or not. Thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:22, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::It could be a good idea. I like the ''idea'' of a wiki chat, but in practice it was nothing more than a distraction from the actual wiki. Voting would be good, especially if removing the tavern could assist in site performance. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 20:29, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:It is my solemn opinion that the Tavern chat system should be repaired and remain. My love for it is unconditional, despite the fact that it tends to be immature in many ways and attract the least virtuous of viewers it was a place I could always count on to give me some source of entertainment or conversation, however minimal. One of the greatest delights I had when I used to frequent this site, as I am beginning to do again presently, was popping onto the Tavern in the middle of looking through articles and thinking about what would be useful in a future campaign. I would always find a witty conversationalist or a helpful tinkerer out and about amidst all of the chaos, and it helped to know I was not alone. The Tavern, in my opinion, is a reinforcement of the comradeship of this Wiki, and can be utilized to go there for quick instant messaging communication instead of relatively sluggish editing of each others pages. My piece has been said for now, and my vote is for keeping the Tavern. --[[User:Harry Mason|Harry Mason]] 15:22, 25 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Taking the above, and giving it thought, the Tavern can be a great tool. Especially if the former abrasive temperaments are no longer present, it can be a really great way to bring in new wiki users. Combing through the old logs shows that many potential users were ran off because of the attitude within it. But as Harry shows above, even with that it did great things. Perhaps we should place this discussion on "hold" until the tavern is ready to come back online, and then hold it in a better place so all can discuss ways to make the tavern better and more manageable?? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 15:30, 25 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Bollocks. The crowd that used the tavern (with a few notable exceptions) constantly strayed off-topic, and it came out as bunch of sentence fragments that tried to be witty and failed miserably. Especially TK's "Your mama" jokes, for instance.... I go on there looking for feedback on my work, and everybody would rather take cheap shots than actually offer constructive advice. Although I hate to say it, but for all his snide attitude, Surgo DID point me toward Frank Trollman's material... -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 02:56, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Well do you guys think it helped more or hurt more? All we need to do is vote... It is all opinion; nothing to discuss. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:27, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Mediawiki ==<br />
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In going through the media side of the site, I've noticed many users have basically used it as a personal storage unit. It is filled with images that are not used in any articles whatsoever (though unlike wikipedia our images don't always say what pages link to them, odd...). I was wondering if a purging of the mediawiki would help improve the server performance? &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 14:52, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I concur. Many of the images I uploaded, (as awesome as the are), are no longer linked to an article. It certainly sounds like a good idea. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:58, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::No. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:20, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Ghostwheel's Ban ==<br />
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I think [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has already paid enough and his ban is over in two day, amybe we could unblock him so he can actually tell his version of the facts? I don't want to do it myself in case you disagreed, it why I ask. --[[User:Lord Dhazriel|Dhazriel]] 18:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I strongly disagree with this. Firstly, there is no side of any story, as it was just a personal subpage note. Secondly, he showed his lack of respect to honor the ban when he broke policy and posted using his IP. If anything, his ban should be prolonged for that reason alone. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:47, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Your both mistaken. With Check User [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] has not been posting. Or which IP do you mean? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:53, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::He admitted to it on Surgo's page on the other wiki as well as on another user's page there. I would link, but don't want to spam, as I feel as though that may be. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::[http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258703 OBJECTION!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258715 DURR...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258720 PWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258730 UHOH...] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258734 2xPWNED!] [http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=3258738 WTFPWNED!] --[[User:208.90.100.111|208.90.100.111]] 11:41, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::All I would need is the IP... It's called "Chck User" (please use google at this moment if you are not positive as to what I am talking about). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:19, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Not Twins ==<br />
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This may seem redundant to you ''(GD)'' and I, but I thought it would be good to note that we are not the same individual, do not always agree (nor even agree a lot of the times), nor do we even know each other offline. Before the rumors get started, even though some already have. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:56, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't know you... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:42, 18 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Taking Author Information off Pages ==<br />
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Would you please refrain from removing author templates from (my) articles? Whether or not they've priorly been marked for deletion, they should remain associated with their respective principal authors, as per article 4B of [[D&D Wiki:Copyrights|D&D Wiki:Copyrights]]. Thank you. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:01, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:History as well... As explained over and over again. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:17, 19 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::And I am asking you over and over again to refrain from removing the author templates. Being the person identified in the history of these particular pages as the first editor makes this request more than reasonable. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 08:04, 20 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It seems you decided to respond to my aforementioned reasonable request by making [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Ghast%2C_Deathless_%283.5e_Creature%29&oldid=415512 this] and several other similar edits to my pages, in which you removed yet more author boxes and more references to my personal user category from my pages. What, are you just going to ignore me and merrily continue this scandalous behaviour instead without the courtesy of a direct response? I don't remotely care how much 'cleaner' you think the history is, I will not stand for seeing my work vandalized. '''NOT EVEN BY SITE ADMINS! AM I FINALLY GETTING THROUGH TO YOU!?'''<br />
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:::If you want to erase all evidence of my existence from this wiki for what happened back in August, then fine. DELETE ALL MY STUFF. '''ALL OF IT.''' And I'll be happy to stay gone. If you're unwilling to do that, then don't touch it. I expected such sensible and gentlemanly conduct to go without saying, but apparently the word ethics does not mean a thing to you. This is the last time I will ask you this in a civil manner. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 12:57, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article. One more non-logical response and I will issue a ban to you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:41, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::''<"Usercontributions.... Like how one looks at me. History... to see who has done what to which article."''> <br />
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:::::... What are these sentence fragments even supposed to mean? The only responses I see that are incoherent and devoid of any logic are yours. Are you just being deliberately vague so you'd have a solid excuse to ban me when I respond? That's not to say that I ''ever'' saw ''anyone'' getting ''anything'' close to a ban for 'non-logic' back when I signed onto this wiki in May 2007. I never saw anyone getting their author box deleted from their articles back then either. Even omitting the fact that the author boxes disappear from my articles, what possible justification could you have for deleting my ''personal user-based category'' (<nowiki>[[Category:User Sulacu]]</nowiki>) from the article pages as well? That's like taking pages out of my user page's dpl lists. Isn't that like undermining the system of my pages on your wiki, as well as a form of 'orphaning pages' or whatever it is called (hence, 'vandalism', if you're too logic-deficient to see where I'm going)?<br />
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:::::Seriously, I've had more than enough of your stupid antics, and your pigheaded falling back upon your new favorite word, 'non-logic', which you seem to invoke primarily when people say something you don't like. As a faithful and dedicated contributor to your wiki for over two whole years, and the creator of over three hundred standing pages of homebrew articles currently displayed on the site, please honor my final request to leave those pages be, and stop being such a freaking bludger. A little admission on your side will make this whole affair a lot less smelly, and both our lives a lot easier. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:27, 26 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Banned. One needs to be understand civility and understand who is who on D&D Wiki. Stop just pestering people and making problems where none exist. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:25, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Out of curiosity, why was Sulacu banned? She was obviously upset that her name was being removed from the things that she had created, so it's not like she did anything wrong. I mean, I know I've not been here a long time, but Sulacu seems to have posted a high amount of quality homebrew, so shouldn't she be entitled to have her name on what she's made? I guess it may just be thinking aloud though. But really, consider if someone should be banned for voicing objections to losing the right to the things they made. I think a good example is if say someone took the Dandwiki from you Green, and removed every trace of you from it. Wouldn't you be upset and slightly protest against it? Obviously I'm not saying that that should happen, but I feel that it is a good example. Please reconsider this flurry of author removals, people merely just want to keep their name on what they've devoted time and effort into. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 16:11, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Although I won't comment on the ban, as far as comparing having a wiki that GD pays to maintain and content that a user freely posts online, it isn't really a good example. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:03, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::For the last time or your getting banned too; it's history and usercontributions. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:57, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::What? Is this really what it's come to? I've never talked to you before and you are threatening to ban me for attempting to give my opinion and suggestions on something? Isn't this supposed to be a community-run site? I'm sorry, I'm just a little confused as to why it's suddenly everyone being banned for speaking. You didn't even answer my question, so obviously you are ignoring the average user, which isn't the path that any admin should take. If you feel like being a dictator and banning everyone, go ahead. Go ahead and ban every last person that brought quality work to this wiki. Go ahead and ban until there's no one left except for your butt-buddy troll Hooper and yourself. I'm through here. It used to be a nice place to come to and the community was friendly, and the few times you stopped in the tavern, it was nice to talk to you. What happened to you? Whatever. It doesn't matter. This wiki is going downhill in quality, I just think you are blind to it right now, but you'll realize it here soon. Hooper, I know you are probably reading this too. Stop instigating things over at the Wikia. If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone. I know I personally just want this whole thing to end and for the separation to be finished quickly and painlessly. With that note, I fully expect to be banned by the dictatorship that this wiki has turned into. Just remember, the First Amendment is in place to protect the unpopular opinion, and you are crushing it beneath your heel by banning everyone who isn't Hooper. Just remember that YOU ruined your wiki by driving off those that kept it running smoothly. --[[User:Dersius|Dersius]] 20:12, 28 September 2009.<br />
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::::::::::::I have never said anything to anyone from wikia in my life. You don't know me &mdash; don't say that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:17, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::He said that Hooper was instigating things at wikia.. Geez, if this is the way the administration of this site is I'm not going to put my homebrew on here, I'm going to make sure the people I know don't ruin their work by having it stolen by this wiki.<br />
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::::::::::::::As I haven't even visited the other in seemingly forever, and you guys are here still causing problems - well, you get the picture. Are you done calling people who don't know each other "butt buddys" while also calling them the trolls ''(??? - Irony?)'' so that we can get back to work? You state ''"If you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone."'' yet here you are, when no one is messing with you. Either contribute or stop starting problems. Thanks in advance for your cooperation. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 06:34, 29 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Why Did You Delete the Bloodline I Posted? ==<br />
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I'd like to know why you deleted the optional Bloodline (Brachyurus) I developed and posted.<br />
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The only comment I see, and its only a single line in the deletion log, is "This is not OGL".<br />
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I would appreciate ''some'' explanation. At the very least, the minimum courtesy of informing me. To top it off, you ''also'' deleted the Discussion topic I started in which I asked for any feedback.<br />
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If you don't want new people posting anything, just say so. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 21:29, 21 September 2009 (MDT).<br />
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:It is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]], right? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:00, 21 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::It is also, according to your [[SRD:Brachyurus|website]], in the SRD? And the Bloodline was entirely my own construction; I am not aware of anything similar that has been published. None of which explains why you would delete the Discussion where I ask for feedback - a perfect place, I would think, to have this discussion. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:58, 21 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::That's ones not from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]... That's SRD (probably MM or who knows). If the bloodlines was your ''own'' creation ''DO NOT'' put "this is from the [[Epic Level Handbook]]" on the bottom of the page. Also [[DnD Discussion|Discussions]] are for ''questions'' (not like a forum...). If you want something reviewed, like always, post it on the damn talk page. Not their. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:19, 22 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::You are saying that you really thought I copied the bloodline from the Epic Level Handbook? Have you seen the UA style Bloodlines ''anywhere'' but in UA? And does that mean you did not even bother reading what I had written on the Talk page before you deleted it all?<br />
::::Anyway, are you saying you would be fine with me posting the Brachyurus Bloodline I designed if I make it clear that I was the one who put it together?<br />
::::re: Discussions, ok, I hadn't realized it was not a forum. Still, I would have appreciated ''some'' information ''somewhere'' about why you deleted my work. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 16:48, 22 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::This is what I saw:<br />
:::::<nowiki> ==== Brachyurus ====</nowiki><br />
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:::::<nowiki> <!-- description of the bloodline and its origins. tell what sort of creatures this bloodline can be derived from and how it might have occurred (descension of celestials to live with mortals, etc.) -->[[SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus]] is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook. </nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> {| class="{{d20}}" style="text-align: left;"</nowiki><br />
:::::<nowiki> |+ {{#anc:Brachyurus Bloodline Traits}}</nowiki><br />
:::::(from a deleted revisions preview). Or is that part just superficial? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:02, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Should I assume you noticed the "SRD:Brachyurus|Brachyurus" portion of what you quoted? --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:11, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::That's called a piped link... Not sure if you have ever heard of formatting or not. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:33, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::It seems clear that you are taking the issues behind this discussion much less seriously than I am. Therefore I will stop wasting my time with you. --[[User:Reddir|reddir]] 23:52, 23 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::That is a PIPED link. Without the piped link it looks like: "Brachyurus is the Platonic wolf/canine from the Epic Level Handbook."... let's see... can that be here? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:23, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== When do Unrated homebrew prestige classes become Rated? ==<br />
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My Void Knight prestige class now has 2 ratings (3 if my own counts), and I was just wondering how/when exactly the unrated classes were relisted as rated. Edit: Forgot to sign [[User:Desril|Desril]] 15:09, 30 September 2009 (MDT) <br />
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:Really it is just a matter of doing the switch. You can alter that yourself. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:46, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Once all the ratings have been added one can. Although one cannot just create rating; [[User:Hooper|Hooper]] should have said that one can correct the ratings from the talk page onto the articles page. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 19:41, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Yes, after reading my post I should clarify that once rated you can add that information to the class page with the proper rating it was given shown. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:14, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Also, if you want to help rate things, please feel free. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Spheres in relation to the Tome of Fiends ==<br />
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The sphere pages connected to the Tome of Fiends, namely the Bone, Venom, Carnage and Bubbles, I believe, that you have already reverted, are ''not'', to my knowledge thus far, User items, and are in the sourcebook. Adding the User Category, on that level, is not necessary, nor correct, and it also interferes with the function on the page for the [[Tome_of_Fiends_(3.5e_Sourcebook)/Spheres_and_Feats#Fiendish_Spheres|Spheres]] listing, which has been separated so that User-made Spheres and Official Spheres from the Sourcebook can be better recognized.<br />
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If you feel that you are undeniably correct in maintaining that the Spheres you are moving are User made and that perhaps I have been mistaken, please state so and proceed, but if not, and I believe they are not, they should be as they were before the reverting. [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 23:17, 27 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Tome Material is not official material from established publisers or OGL - it is just homebrew Frank & K stuff. Thus, it is User content. It is hard to define something as "official" when it is all entirely user homebrew - even if that user homebrew is well established. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:13, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Well could we use that Tome article as the rule source? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:21, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
::This is, admittedly, true, given the nature of the Tome of Fiends, itself. Even in that case, however, the Tome of Fiends has no user category, and as a sourcebook, I use 'official' to simply designate those spheres which were created along with the sourcebook. I feel it would be best to separate the Homebrew'd spheres, in respect to the Tome, from those included by the authors, if only to maintain that the standard provided by the author shouldn't be confused with the likely standards of added-in spheres. <br />
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::That all said and done, I could simply use another category, which I don't have much of a problem with; I'm rather delightfully partial to the Tome of Fiends, myself, and the Spheres even more. I just want to get it looking nice and neat, and without as much clutter and fully distinguishing their authors. So, that said, what is going to be used for the categories? [[User:Jwguy|Jwguy]] 21:10, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== WikiRPS ==<br />
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I saw you had did some alterations to the navigation. I was wondering if a link to the WikiRPS site would help get some more activity over there? Or if you're even still interested in that. Just curious as to the goals/future of that project. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 10:36, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:They have their own wiki since a while now; [http://www.wikirps.org/wiki/Main_Page WikiRPS] (although using the same things, etc). I don't understand what your question is (see also [[DnD Variant Rules]]). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:18, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Yes, I know they do. I guess my question is: "Do you think it would be beneficial to include a link to that wiki on our navigation here, perhaps near where we link to the media repository?" &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 13:48, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::We do. It's linked to from [[DnD Variant Rules]]; as discussed and implemented since a long time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:50, 28 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Incorrect Adoptionations ==<br />
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Y HALO THAR. Recently I adopted a dozen or so pages because I have some future plans with them, and the original owner, Sulacu, is gone and all. I noticed you reversed those adoptions. Is something the matter, we're permitted to adopt unnamed and user-less articles are we not? Even more so if we actually have permission from the original owner? If you could redo those adoptions for me, that sure would be swell, it makes it easier to find when I don't have to comb through the history and just look up "User Eiji". Domo arigato desu desu desu-chan, ie! -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:00, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Eiji, your recent discussions in the chat your splinter group is using showcases those adoptions as bad faith adoptions. However, even with that fact, I can't speak for GD's decision. I believe a previous editor said "just stay away and leave us alone" and that has been our wiki's attitude. I humbly request you follow suit. Thanks. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:02, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Hi Hooper-desu! ''':D''' Well, it's very good faith actually, but the lower caste aren't supposed to talk to the upper caste. Wink wink, joke joke, nudge nudge. Anyway, I'm actually still active here (out of necessity, but that's a discussion for another time), so I can't leave.<br />
::Anyway, awaitin' the Green Drag-man. I'll just leave this 'ere. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:11, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::As your most recent quote on the subject was the following: ''"the reason I'd adopt them is to keep GD's dirty mitts off them"'' as stated in your IRC channel, I'd say that clearly constitutes a bad faith adoption. Alas, however, GD shall tell us both how it went down, so I agree with your thoughts on waiting for him. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:14, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Where'd I say that? That's silly Hooper. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 21:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::If GD requests it he will be shown proof of that and other things you've said of recent regarding the adoption. Ever since that chat channel decided to bring up the idea of using pirate software against this site I've daily logged on and pulled that day's chats from it. Thankfully, nothing as vile as the pirate attack threats has been discussed since. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 21:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Of course not. You know, internet... it's full of people who talk for the hell of it, and talk is cheap. Why just yesterday I was claiming to be wearing a dress, when I was really wearing TWO dresses. :D But Hooper, we've gotten totally off the subject, so, for Green Dragon's sake I'm reseting the indent and reposting my point (I hope he doesn't mind). {{Unsigned|Eiji|20:23, 1 October 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::Just placing my 2 cents Hooper but is it entirely ethical/legal to record and store chats without notifying those being recorded? Just wondering if perhaps playing secret agent in the chat room is the best use of your time which should be invested in this wiki, not in the wikia. Back on topic: if an article is up for adoption, what makes one user more or less worthy of adoption than another? One who has made as many contributions as Eiji is certainly able to competently handle an article, unless you are saying you trust a complete stranger to claim ownership of the article over an established contributor to this wiki. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 21:34, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::You did it wrong... And D&D Wiki is fine; no malicious software should be able to do much of anything. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:49, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Ah, I'm doing it wrong? Well then, how may I do it right so I can get them re-adopted? -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:51, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Just don't. Just edit the damn things; it makes much much more sense (your name is added, what you did is shown, and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you, one can look with ''my watchlist'' the pages as they change, etc etc. [[Template:Author]] is just more of a hassle then much else (history; when created; does not change). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:56, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Explain that second part to me again? I'm trying to get the pages to appear on my User: Eiji page so I don't have to search through recent changes (also, I'd like credit for adopting them too, but I haven't bothered yet to look/copy paste the ownership box/dunno how to go about that). Anyway, the link repository is what I'm currently doing with my pages right, having them appear in my User: Eiji page automatically instead of linking them one by one. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 22:58, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::{{quote|...and you can create a link repository at a usersubpage of pages which ''relate'' to you...<br />
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::::::::::::--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:04, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Sorry, might be a little slow but... uh, I don't get it. Can you rephrase it in a different way, as right now it seems like you're saying we can't put things on our User page we didn't originally make and just adopted. Or... something, I'm not really sure. Thanks in advance. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:08, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:Right; for example I have nothing (theoretically) to do with the images on my userpage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:16, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Oooh. Aww, that makes me sad... that means we aren't allowed to adopt anymore (at least, not in the normal sense of "I now own this", we can only edit... but then, so can everyone's else so it's a moot point). Well, there's nothing I can do. ''':(''' They were nice articles too.<br />
::Oh well. /thread and all. -- [[User:Eiji|Eiji]] 23:18, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Ya, but I find that usercontributions are much better then [[Template:Author]] and I find that when using history everything is much more fair then under the [[Template:Author]] system (each edit is that edit; not under someone elses' name). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 1 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Posting under an IP because I don't want Hooper to think that I am an active user of this wiki (GD, he is seriously retarded and I would avoid giving him adminship at any point unless you want this place crashing down even worse -- I can easily back up this claim with evidence, just look at 90% of his contribs on talk pages). Anyways... To clarify, are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article? --[[User:208.90.101.99|208.90.101.99]] 06:23, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Personal attacks should be refrained from, and they make any point you think you have become lost in your antics "anonymous". This isn't a forum for insanity or attacks or opinions, take that to salin. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid black; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:Black; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:Black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:black; color:white; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 07:15, 2 October 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I apologize -- that comment was out of line and pretty immature. I'm still a little sore over what happened and when I do visit this wiki (in this case I was responding to a private email about an optimized build I wrote a while back), I do the stupid thing of looking at the recent changes and get bothered by what is going on. This was my "home" for a long time after all. I can take a conversation up privately with you if you want to discuss why I think many of your actions are bad for the wiki, but needless to say, I sincerely hope that [[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] does not make you an admin until your behavior changes. I say that out of my old dedication to this wiki, not my new found bitterness. But, as I said, this is something for a private conversation and doesn't belong here on GD's talk page.<br />
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::::::To restate my questions to GD: "Are you saying that the Author template is pointless to have on articles? Should we remove it from every article?" --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:53, 2 October 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Celestial_Dire_Lion_(3.5e_Creature)&diff=411152Talk:Celestial Dire Lion (3.5e Creature)2009-09-05T18:33:55Z<p>Aarnott: /* CR */</p>
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{{Succeeded Featured Article Nominee|--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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''Minor Changes:''<br />
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''Smite Evil ([[SRD:Su|Su]]):'' Once per day a [[SRD:Celestial|celestial]] creature can make a normal <code><nowiki>[[SRD:Melee Attack|melee attack]]</nowiki></code> to deal extra damage equal to its [[SRD:Hit Dice|HD]] (maximum of +20) against an evil foe. <br />
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''Smite Evil ([[SRD:Su|Su]]):'' Once per day a [[SRD:Celestial|celestial]] creature can make a normal <code><nowiki>[[SRD:Magic Weapon|magic attack]]</nowiki></code> to deal extra damage equal to its [[SRD:Hit Dice|HD]] (maximum of +20) against an evil foe. ([[SRD:Celestial Creature|celestial creature template]])<br />
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Please note the difference in attack and weapon before and after the pipe. Also, this is FA worthy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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'''Support:''' The stats checked out fine to me. Other then that a few minor grammar things may have to be done. In any case ready for FA status. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== CR ==<br />
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This isn't a very good example of a creature of CR 7, due to how low its damage is. I mean, how many level 7 parties are going to be threatened by that kind of damage? The original Dire Lion has that damage, and it's CR 5. Plus, compare to the [[Tiger]], a CR 4 creature and its damage. And its DR barely matters since most attackers at that level have a magic weapon. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 02:44, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[SRD:Dire Lion|Dire Lion]] and [[SRD:Celestial Creature|Celestial Creature]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:04, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Just because it's by the book doesn't make it a good creature as an example of an EL 7 encounter on its own. Rather than citing the template and base creature, look at its stats. It's a horrible monster as a representative of CR 7 creatures when you look at some of the others, including the remorhaz, eight-headed hydra, illithid, and invisible stalker. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 03:08, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
:: Why did this even become a featured article? The picture's nice, but apart from that there's nothing special about this monster. It's a horrible representative of what EL 7 encounters are supposed to achieve, and anyone could have simply plopped the template on the base creature to get the final outcome. There doesn't seem to be anything cool or special about it apart from the picture, with the stats itself being massively underpowered for a creature of this level. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 04:09, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Guess we just needed another featured article to take up space on the main page. This article may meet all the prereq's for a featured article but I give it a "Epic Fail" in flavor. Maybe no one in this community can make anything as unique as a templated creature. Sad, sad, sad. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Seriously? I templated it for convenience for summon monster pages. There is like a billion other templated creatures. The CR is set to 7 because it should be by the book if it is used in an SRD only game. Even if the CR doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:30, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::: No problem with that. But should something of this level be a ''featured page''? I think not... :-\ --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 12:33, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::'''Definitely''' not. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:33, 5 September 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Celestial_Dire_Lion_(3.5e_Creature)&diff=411149Talk:Celestial Dire Lion (3.5e Creature)2009-09-05T18:30:14Z<p>Aarnott: /* CR */</p>
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{{Succeeded Featured Article Nominee|--[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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''Minor Changes:''<br />
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''Smite Evil ([[SRD:Su|Su]]):'' Once per day a [[SRD:Celestial|celestial]] creature can make a normal <code><nowiki>[[SRD:Melee Attack|melee attack]]</nowiki></code> to deal extra damage equal to its [[SRD:Hit Dice|HD]] (maximum of +20) against an evil foe. <br />
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to<br />
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''Smite Evil ([[SRD:Su|Su]]):'' Once per day a [[SRD:Celestial|celestial]] creature can make a normal <code><nowiki>[[SRD:Magic Weapon|magic attack]]</nowiki></code> to deal extra damage equal to its [[SRD:Hit Dice|HD]] (maximum of +20) against an evil foe. ([[SRD:Celestial Creature|celestial creature template]])<br />
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Please note the difference in attack and weapon before and after the pipe. Also, this is FA worthy. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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'''Support:''' The stats checked out fine to me. Other then that a few minor grammar things may have to be done. In any case ready for FA status. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:14, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== CR ==<br />
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This isn't a very good example of a creature of CR 7, due to how low its damage is. I mean, how many level 7 parties are going to be threatened by that kind of damage? The original Dire Lion has that damage, and it's CR 5. Plus, compare to the [[Tiger]], a CR 4 creature and its damage. And its DR barely matters since most attackers at that level have a magic weapon. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 02:44, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[SRD:Dire Lion|Dire Lion]] and [[SRD:Celestial Creature|Celestial Creature]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 03:04, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Just because it's by the book doesn't make it a good creature as an example of an EL 7 encounter on its own. Rather than citing the template and base creature, look at its stats. It's a horrible monster as a representative of CR 7 creatures when you look at some of the others, including the remorhaz, eight-headed hydra, illithid, and invisible stalker. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 03:08, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
:: Why did this even become a featured article? The picture's nice, but apart from that there's nothing special about this monster. It's a horrible representative of what EL 7 encounters are supposed to achieve, and anyone could have simply plopped the template on the base creature to get the final outcome. There doesn't seem to be anything cool or special about it apart from the picture, with the stats itself being massively underpowered for a creature of this level. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 04:09, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Guess we just needed another featured article to take up space on the main page. This article may meet all the prereq's for a featured article but I give it a "Epic Fail" in flavor. Maybe no one in this community can make anything as unique as a templated creature. Sad, sad, sad. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 12:01, 5 September 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Seriously? I templated it for convenience for summon monster pages. There is like a billion other templated creatures. The CR is set to 7 because it should be by the book if it is used in an SRD only game. Even if the CR doesn't make much sense. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:30, 5 September 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Green_Dragon&diff=406045User talk:Green Dragon2009-08-23T14:59:11Z<p>Aarnott: /* Daniel Draco's Counterpoints */</p>
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== Hit Points in v3.5 help. ==<br />
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I have a question about hit points in v3.5 and i cannot confirm if i am correct or not.<br />
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My question:<br />
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When you reach a new bonus with your constitution score (from +1 to +2) do you gain 1 hp per class level, or just another hp at the level your new constitution bonus takes effect.<br />
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I have always assumed that you would gain 1 hp per class level when this occurs as, unless im wrong, you lose 1 hp per level when you your constitution bonus drops a point.<br />
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:[[SRD:Constitution]] states: "If a character’s Constitution score changes enough to alter his or her Constitution modifier, the character’s hit points also increase or decrease accordingly." I mean, a raging barbarian gets bonus hit points from his Constitution increase. Why wouldn't you normally gain from such a benefit? I've always played like that (retroactive increases), anyway. Hope this helps, even if the link isn't explicitly clear. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:55, 6 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'm pretty sure bonus HP due to a CON increase are awarded retroactively. I've noticed they are in d20 products for the PC and console, so I'm certain they're awarded the same way in regular D&D. We always played it like that anyway. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 16:22, 7 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::It is awarded retroactively, though you may want to play this differently. Sometimes it doesn't make sense for a person to gain a large amount of hit points for (almost) no reason. --[[User:Sabre070|Sabre070]] 05:01, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Thanks! ==<br />
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Thanks, I really appreciate you taking the time to send me a message. Hopefully, it was manual otherwise, oops! :p <br />
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I have one question though. I was creating a campaign setting for the 4th edition, and I've noticed the wiki is lacking in material for this edition. Could you tell me what things are availible to me? On a related note, whenever I use the 4th edition power template, a footer appears beneath it, like in [[LAI Class: Archer|here]]. How do I get rid of it?<br />
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Also, very quickly, my campaign was put under 0 for lacking pages, but I've been steadily adding them. How will my campaign get out of 0?<br />
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Thanks! ~[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 17:33, 9 July 2009 (MDT)`<br />
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:[[4e Homebrew]]. Since when can Campaign Settings get rated as 0? I think you mean your class. I would post something on it's talk page ans ask what you need to do to improve it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:37, 9 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Here is what I mean. Without code wrapping '{{,}}'<br />
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::How do I fix that? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|07:31, 10 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::I agree with you about [[Template:4e Power]] and how it automatically adds the breadcrumb to all the powers gets very damn annoying (okay, I've never actually added my own 4e class. I'm just talking about the layout). We currently add homebrew power's into their own linked to pages with each class having it's own page ([[4e Powers]] - the ones under "homebrew designation"). The reason the breadcrumb is included in that template is because the idea when they were made was for each to have it's own page. The reasoning was so other classes could use the same powers, like a mix of 3.5e spells 4e powers optimized for functionality; however I feel that their is a better way to do it. What are your thoughts on having something more compared to a pool of 4e powers and each class transcluding them into their page (or creating a link list - comparable to the 3.5e spell lists for each class)? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:24, 11 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I took a look at your campaign setting - [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] and you were right. It was rated as 0. I changed the formatting and layout a bit and changed the rating to 2, however I did not really read it so the rating could be off. And above with the code warping and dpl mixed with categories idea did you man to ask how does one change a campaign settings rating? Since it uses a template it just pulls a parameter from the template page; so one just has to change the number at the end to the new rating. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:06, 11 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Also which edition does [[LAI (DnD Campaign Setting)|LAI]] use? Your 4e class is in there but much of it is using 3.5e material. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:40, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::What do you mean? I designed the class after how it looks like in the 4e handbooks, and it says in the running and history of LAI section that it uses 4e. So how do I manage to get the Power to appear without the footer? Do I link into it like with the menu and find some way to make them fit in the powers section? My idea on that power linkage thing is to have it so that powers could have a powersource tab add to it as well as a link on the power to the classes it belongs to, so that you can search up the power, then see the classes it leads to on the power itself.-- [[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 7:44, 15 July 2009 (GST +10)<br />
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:::::::Removing those footers on class pages is a bit of an issue. The template was designed to work so that each homebrew class added has it's own power page and each template has it's own page. I am not positive if you agree or not however I think that that organizational structure for powers is a bit extraneous (for example your class has about six powers. Six powers on such a massive page (to me at least) comes off as a bit much). I changed your class a bit to show you more of what I mean. The first edit I did (with the revision history is [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class%3A_Archer&diff=391450&oldid=374143] and then I reverted it back to the old revision [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=LAI_Class:_Archer&diff=next&oldid=391450]). One of the powers does not have a breadcrumb but if one notices it is changed to say "Attack" to say "Class Feature" (or something like that). I am not positive with either way to organize the powers on your class. Also the template could be changed so one has to add a footer manually. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:39, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::I made [[Template:4e Power/Sandbox]]. If you would not mind let me know what you think. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 17:30, 16 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::It looks great! Finally we can have powers without the footers! Huzzah. On the subject on the changes to the Archer class: Would you like to join LAI? You are amazing! Your tweaks have made the Archer class a rich and more in depth class than I alone (Seeing as I'm the only one in PnP LAI) could make! I give you full permission to edit anything on LAI as long as it dosen't affect the larger whole of the story! BTW the Tribal Civil war didn't happen, more like a World War among the cities.<br />
:::::::::Serious about the LAI joining thing, will you? {{Unsigned|Celen Joad|03:33, 19 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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::::::::::Could you email me about joining LAI so I can think about it more? I don't want to start helping LAI and have strange ideas for LAI which you disagree with. Although I am pretty certain I want to continue developing it, with permission. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:58, 21 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Could you email me and let me know if it is okay for me to edit your CS soon and so we can discuss ideas? I want to start a 4e campaign in a day or so and I would prefer to use LAI. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:12, 25 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Sure, the Email will be arriving soon. I had a special pdf. sheet I made for recruiting people in real life, it would be nice to send it to you via Email. On a less formal setting, I give you full permission to edit anything but the History (Though you can add things). --[[User:Celen Joad|Celen Joad]] 10:20, 29 July 2009<br />
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:::::::::::::I don't mean to be rude or anything, however I changed my opinion. I think I am going to start a 3.5e campaign and just start from a small town outwards. Sorry to have been a bother, thanks for your time. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:46, 30 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Appologies in advance==<br />
For all the annoying MOIs past and future to fix little errors that i find in locked pages. [[User:GaaaaaH|- GaaaaaH]] 05:03, 12 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Spoiler Alert==<br />
Is there a way to hide the contents of an article until the viewer clicks on a link... like a 'for DM's Eyes only' warning on adventure pages. --[[User:Calidore Chase|Calidore Chase]] 11:29, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] has something to that effect on his user page. I don't know what in the coding makes it work like that, but it might be a place to start. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 12:32, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Easily made into a template. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 12:42, 26 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Gravity Warrior Edits ==<br />
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I just want to say two things:<br />
# I put the breaks on the epic table, because otherwise the hit dice overlap with the table. In my personal opinion, that's one of the problems with the current preload.<br />
# Under the advancement section, I changed it to rogue and monk, singular, as gravity warriors multiclass to '''become''' rogues/monks, but the multiclass '''into''' the rogue or monk classes. <br />
I put this here because I don't want to start something (an edit war, so to speak), but I don't think either of those edits are correct, nor do I think the other grammar you changed was wrong; your changes were merely a matter of personal preference rather than right/wrong. You also took out a few commas, that with all due respect, were correct in their placement. Again, no disrespect intended, I just think those changes were mostly unneccessary, and in an instance or two, wrong. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 18:02, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't care about the second point you brought up (it just needs to follow the English grammar rules &mdash; other then that I do not care). However, do you use IE or FF? I run Ubuntu and for me the coding on the epic table looks fine. However, since I use Ubuntu, I cannot see how the coding would look like on IE. Also, since your table coding looks (about) the same it's proably fine. If, however, this is a problem for all the class pages when one uses IE do you think you could let me know? I would be more then willing to change the preload if it is a class-wide problem. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 18:10, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'm using Safari (my laptop's a Mac), but I'll check on my family's home computer (Windows, has both IE and something else). And yes, it is a class-wide problem, at least with Safari. As far as the second point, I was pointing out that I felt I changed it to follow proper English grammar rules, and then you changed it to something that didn't agree (from what I have learned). That could be wrong, but English is my forte. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 19:36, 27 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Wood Elves ==<br />
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Just a heads up, but according to the MM, Wood Elves' ability mods are +2 strength, +2 dexterity, -2 Constitution, -2 Intelligence, -2 Charisma.<br />
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The SRD wood elf page doesn't have the -2 to charisma.<br />
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== Template Limitation Dates ==<br />
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I was hoping not to have to bother you directly with this, sir, but it has not been getting any attention by enough important people. I am moving the discussion page I created to here instead. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 12:30, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I was talking with Ganteka earlier today about this. Now, I know that when an article has the delete template, it is deleted after two weeks if no edits have been made. Now, as some may have noticed, I've been busy recently, at the end of June and now, with a large templating project. I've been putting stub, wikify, and delete on articles that need them.<br />
:In the case of all templates that are not delete, Ganteka informed me they just sit there, perpetually, -unless- someone takes pity on them. With the templating project I've been working on, the category pages for these template may get bloated with a mountain of articles that never get attention.<br />
:Now, since it is unreasonable to ask the people of the wiki to collectively clean up these articles any more than they already are, I propose this: A limitation date on articles with Stub or Wikify, funtioning similar to the cutoff for Delete. If no one attempts to salvage a page with Stub or Wikify in X amount of time, the template is changed to Delete, and then the article is on the final two-week deathwatch for someone to rescue it. This way, articles will, one way or another, not sit and rot in template categories other than Delete. This ensures that the artciles that are truly worth preserving are preserved, and articles that no one can be botherd to fix are alowed to die their quiet deaths.<br />
:I propose that the cutoff time for articles with the Stub or Wikify templates be in the realm of two-to-six months.<br />
:Discuss. --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 22:20, 14 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I've already been doing this, it's a good idea -- takes out the trash. Some stuff is "vaguely savable" I guess but if no one cares enough to actually save it I don't really want it on the wiki. --[[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:52, 14 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::I've just been sticking the delete on things, figuring if someone wants them, fine, if not, they're better off deleted. That's probably not the best way to do things (which is why I've only done it with massively neglected articles), but it seems we all in accordance so one extent or another. --[[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:07, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::To clarify: I'm talking about implementing a set, clearly defined, official, and universal(meaning everyone/anyone does this, not just one or two random people) policy to ensure that these articles are cleaned out regularly, the reason for this being the extensive templating I have been doing recently may overfill the categories, and then nothing gets done because no one will bother to look through to find fixable stuff. As said, I am thinking the set date for template-swapping could be somewhere from two to six months. In addition, swapping the templates should -only- be done if an article in question has zero edits for the set time period. What does everyone think about this? (making an official policy for this I mean, and this proposition is mainly being made to all the admins, as they are the ones who will ultimately decided this). --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 18:11, 15 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I started [[Template:Reviewing Template]] which (given some help) could ''potentially'' do what you are looking for. One could either build a bot based of time to change the templates (then this template would already be done - all that would need to be changed would be for [[Template:Delete]] to be added as another template option), or one could find or build an extension in MW which makes things be able to be based of time (my prefered option. Then like how [[Template:Delete]] currently does things with time could be reverse engineered to instead of displaying the time it was added display a countdown until the template dynamically changes to [[Template:Delete]] (and then the two week time limit would come up) &mdash; quite beautiful to be honest). The main issue with that right now if you look into this) is that [[template:Delete]]'s time thing is hard-coded into D&D Wiki's MW and not an extension (although solvable if one finds or builds a time extension for MW as I mentioned above). Also, continuing on with the problems with the second option, one would have to (I would willingly look into this) make a way to have [[Template:Delete]] show up as a catch-all template holder on [[Template:Reviewing Template]]. The easiest, messiest, and way which just adds another layer of people which need to work and no one which wants to do the mundane tasks like that would be to just manually change all the templates as their time comes up. This way would (in my opinion) just add another problem onto the problem though. So, if you know of an easy way to make any of these options to work let me know please (I don't mean to be frank or condescending with this last sentence here &mdash; I just meant to write a wrap up sentence). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:16, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I don't know anything about coding or bots or what you're talking about. If I am not misunderstanding you, I didn't know there even was any actual coding time attached to the Delete template, I just thought is was only the official policy that articles are deleted after two weeks of no edits, even though that doesn't actually happen often. All I'm suggesting is that a similar official policy be applied to changing wikify and stub templates to delete. It doesn't matter how it's done; I just thought is was going to be a manual thing anyway, to be honest. And since this is not actual deletion or anything requiring mod or admin powers; -I- could change templates, if necessary. All I'm thinking of is having an official policy that says so. Nothing more.<br />
::::::So, in that vein, what do you think? What should the time be? Two months of no edits? Six months? Something in between? Something else? {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|14:35, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::Ah, damn. So you would willingly take the third option. Personally I think if one uses the third option (as I mentioned above) a lot of problems will happen. Manually doing things like that is always a problem (in my opinion). Personally, if a time extension for MW is present, template switching could be made dynamic and [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]] could be continued to be manual (so one looks over everything which gets deleted and one can not do malicious adding of [[Template:Delete]] onto finished pages, going unnoticed, and getting the page removed by a bot). On the time frame aspect I think that 1-2 months is a good indicator of inactivity on an article. Your thoughts? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:41, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Honestly? I have no idea what you're talking about; about making stuff dynamic or whatever "MW" is. I don't know anything about this. And I don't understand how changing the templates manually will be a problem. I just know I am willing to do the changes manually and systematically if everyone else is too busy, and the policy is implemented.<br />
::::::::And i think a time limted of two months/sixty days (fixing things move slow around here, sometimes) is a good time. {{Unsigned|TheWarforgedArtificer|15:48, 28 July 2009 (MDT)}}<br />
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:::::::::No reason to get annoyed. MW is MediaWiki - the code base D&D Wiki is based on. One can add extensions to it to improve it (such as the dpl, SMW (Semantic MediaWiki - e.g. [[DnD Flaws]]), extensions etc). If an extension does something with time then we could make template switching dynamic (or maybe reverse engineer the hard code behind [[Template:Delete]]'s time thing to make an extension which could work). If you ''really'' do not want to talk about theoretical implications of a dynamic template reviewing system with the base template being [[Template:Delete]] then sorry. I think 2 months is fine if you want to do everything manually. Or one could just look at the article and decide again (since it would all be done manually anyway). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:56, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::I apologize, my above post was not meant to be in any annoyed tone. Curse ambiguous text.<br />
::::::::::As for all the stuff that I "really" don't want to talk about...it's actually that I "really" don't know or understand it. I have not learned real coding yet, I have no idea what this coding thing you're trying to tell me is. I really wish I -did- know, but...I don't. So, getting off that note, two months sounds good. Do any other mods or admins need to weigh in on this? --[[User:TheWarforgedArtificer|TheWarforgedArtificer]] 16:15, 28 July 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::You could organize the a userpage subsection of yours - until the dpl can be improved to make it work dynamic - into something related to [[User:TK-Squared/Shit That Needs Deleting]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Undead Disciple ==<br />
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Hi, I've been working on a 3.5 class called the Undead Disciple and I'm worried its overpowered. Could you take a look at it please?--[[User:Knk42|Knk42]] 09:28, 2 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== 4e Demigods Breadcrumb? ==<br />
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Hate to bother you, but i am wondering if there is a breadcrumb for 4e demigods and if so what is it? Thanks for your time, [[User:Kildairem|Kildairem]] 20:47, 4 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There, I just made some for the deities section. [[Template:3.5e Demigod Deities Breadcrumb]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:36, 4 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== What the Hell ==<br />
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You've had weeks to protest against the rating committee, something decided upon and agreed upon by virtually every active user here. And you wait until it all gets set up to suddenly decide to delete it? What the hell, yo? [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:59, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:We are using logic here. The method above improves D&D Wiki's accessibility and that is key. Less pages mean less places for people to get confused on. I hope you understand - your way is faulty in logic. Please watch out or a ban could be in ordnance. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:07, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::How exactly is 'my way faulty in logic'? Did you even read the pages and pages of text we've posted above about this issue? And why on earth would you respond ''now'' of all times by deleting what we've set up, instead of responding weeks ago? I think all of us have a right to be annoyed and angry for that reason alone. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:08, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Yes, of course I did. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:10, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::We agreed almost unanimously that this quality censor was going to be for the good of this wiki. So I agree with the aforementioned complaint. Why would you suddenly override everybody involved and delete it? --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 22:12, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::You have stepped far over your bounds as a benevolent dictator; you've just gone right down into despotism. Unban Surgo; he didn't implement anything. He suggested it; he didn't create a new Author template, he didn't change the Spell template nor did he add the pages. If you want to ban someone; ban ME. I did all of that. I messed with your precious little templates in attempt to help the Wikipedia project for D&D. Don't do something stupid like that; banning me is fine; banning Surgo for that, is not. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 22:15, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:23, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Make Love, Not War ==<br />
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Time to put a nice little flower on that banhammer of yours, let's bury this hatchet and just...get along? --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:14, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:I know, I am still thinking of hierarchy more. Since I was banned by another one of them I will wait to unban them until I hear more of the full story - from their side (emails, etc. I got a few just they have not explained why [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] ended up banning me for a bit, etc)). I would say once both of those issues are resolved then I most likely unban them depending. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Well understandibly everyone is a bit sour of the matter. Those involved feel like an apology is due from you as the actions you took were unbalanced as a response to a simple talk-page arguement. The subsequent banning of all administrators, even those offline - those that were not involved - is not in my opinion a fair response in any situation. To prevent the loss of dedicated and active users who make up a considerable amount of the current contributions to the wiki I would advise perhaps admitting an overreaction to the matter would be approapriate to clear up this whole incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 23:45, 10 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Right, I said once I deal with hierarchy (in my head for D&D Wiki) a bit more I will deal with it. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:02, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::In reference to the Aarnott banning (not to butt in, I was just present in the Tavern at the time) he was hoping you would take it as a hint to step back and "cool down", as many said in not so many words. He meant no offense by it, just was trying to send a message since talking through posting was ignored when it came to Surgo and Sulacu. -[[User:Valentine the Rogue|Valentine the Rogue]] 01:16, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Just putting my 2 cents in. I haven't been very active on DnD Wiki this year but I've still tried to help on minor things where I can. I didn't even know you were banned.. Also, we have google ad's on here now? --[[User:118.208.168.99|118.208.168.99 (Sabre070)]] 01:37, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Right, but none should ''ever'' ban me (this is my website). Other then that I am trying out Google ads for a bit (layout and usefulness) to see if I like them or not and if they will stay on D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:25, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I would think that lifting the ban on them now would not be too out of the question given that their user rights have been revoked (so it's not like they could ban you again). You don't necessarily have to give them back all their privledges, but keeping them banned seems somewhat excessive. - [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 17:48, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Acting as if you are the ''only'' contributor to this wiki at this moment will only lead to stagnation of the wiki along with a lack of administrators to moderate as well. To put it plainly, you've had a chance to redeem yourself to a good portion of the active users you've banned, but instead decided against doing so and have lost the respect and trust of those administrators even if they were not involved in the incident. --[[User:Ehsteve|Ehsteve]] 19:01, 11 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Right, this is my website. You may like to start your own if you are so inclined. Also they are admins once again; no worries on that end. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:30, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::What about the worry of you randomly banning people again for no good reason, offering no explanation as to why they were banned and then bringing the site down because of said banning? If I were them, I'd worry about that. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:34, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::Alright, hopefully they understood. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::As one of the people banned, I'd say they don't. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 21:36, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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{{Discussion Indentation Revert}}<br />
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:As another of those people (having been banned while offline and totally uninvolved, adding further bafflement to the situation), I'd agree with TK. You have offered absolutely no explanation of why we were banned and the site was taken down. To assume that we understand your motives simply by reading your ''silence'' is preposterous. There only explanation I can think of that justifies banning people who were not at all involved involves a murderous psycho who threatened you with death unless you banned us, and I think we can immediately rule that out. Therefore, you screwed up and we need concrete and uncompromisable assurance that you not only will not, but CAN not do this again. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I have banned admins before - this is not the first time (I mean historically for short periods of time). This is ''literally'' my website; so I need no explanation. Also, if things to continue to happen as they have before, it could happen again. I was banned from my own website, the servers are probably 100 ft. away from me right now, I need no explanation in my head. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:40, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Well, that's it then. You told us before if we didn't like you and your arbitrary rules, to go make our own website. That's exactly what we did. Goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 22:53, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Yup, you blew it. Ciao, tyrant. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 22:55, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Now we're on the subject, I would like to request the immediate and permanent deletion of every article in <nowiki>Category:User Sulacu</nowiki>. Kind regards, --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:06, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::: That is not ok. Undeserved disrespect is not ok. You disrespected us, and I am disappointed in you. this place was my home for awhile, and now I have to leave. I will not stand to be in a place where the people are unjustly disrespected. I once respected you, but now that respect is gone. And I must go too, goodbye.[[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 23:16, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::"Adopt me"? No. That is '''my''' work, and I'll not have other people taking credit for it. It is to be deleted, or at the very least my name to be kept on it and locked from all edits. --Daniel Draco 23:18, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::We can discuss this later. Personally I think it would be helpful for all people related here to take a break, wait maybe 10 hours, think about this what what you guys are saying, and then talk to me about it at that time. Also, deleting articles is never a good option (adoption or locking is a much better one, in my opinion). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:22, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::We have thought about this for days, 10 more hours will do nothing. The stunt you pulled and then the complete lack of repentance you showed was absolutely, completely unacceptable. There is no "take a break, wait maybe 10 more hours". That time has long passed. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:24, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::With or without the 10 hours, please put the author templates back on my pages and lock them. I can accept that they will remain on this website, but I don't want my work to be changed. Delete them or preserve them, but don't put them up for adoption. --Daniel Draco 23:27, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::In case you haven't been paying attention for the last four days, GD, your opinion is what's destroying your wiki, scattering your once-committed members to the four winds in search for stabler climes. Deleting these articles won't be the same as wiping them away for good, however. They simply won't be on ''your'' site anymore. And that's the way how many of us want it. Do not be so obtuse and please delete those articles, now. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 23:28, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::When I lock them (if you really so desire) I will look through the revision history for different edits at that time (to make sure they are your version). Also, [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], one must understand this is just a website (located on some servers) which I ''literally'' own. Anyway, [[User:Sulacu]] and [[User:Daniel Draco]] I will deal more about these pages, locking, deletion, or who knows what when I myself have a level head as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:31, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There is a difference between being able to do something, and it being the right thing to do. Noone is saying you are unable to do what you wish. People are saying it's the WRONG thing to do. -DragonChild<br />
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::I think you are missing the point that this is dangerous for me as well. I got banned from D&D Wiki. This is my website. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Hello. I generally try to stay out of this 'website politics' bullshit because it all really is just bullshit. However, this time it really got me. Because the people that got banned for no reason now have your broken trust. You are no longer a level-headed impartial party, but instead it's a powerstruggle between you and the other admins that you promoted to help you ''improve your site''. All the admins have put a lot of work into helping you with the site and then you turn around and shit on their hard work by banning all of them, even the ones that weren't involved. I'm sure the ones that weren't even there when you did it don't understand why you did it, because they ''weren't there''. You might not feel like you need an answer 'in your head' but unfortunately for the rest us, 'in your head' isn't where we are so we don't know what's going on in there and expecting us to know is just ridiculous. The fact that you shit on your admins is enough, but taking the site down so that ''no one'' could access ''their'' work is completely asinine. As a user, and not even one of the ones affected by the ban, I still say that your behavior was entirely 110% uncalled for. I am dissapointed in you, as a site owner, you seem to have very little respect for your community, if any at all. If you want it to be ''your site'', then it truly will just be your site with no one else to share it with. Have fun with that, goodbye and I didn't contribute much, but I want all of my articles deleted. I have them elsewhere. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::You may "literally" own it, but the website lives and dies by your contributors. And now we have left because you took this "literal" ownership too far, ignored our opinions for too long, disrespected us too much, and threw one too many temper tantrums when something happened that you didn't like. That's it. The end. We are gone. We now have our own site that '''we''' literally own, not you. So goodbye. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 23:35, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::That is fine. Also, please take note, that one has to add [[Template:Delete]] to their articles on their own. I don't have time to work like that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:37, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I do appreciate that you will lock my pages into my final version (which, indeed, is exactly what I desire). I would add the appropriate templates, but there are none. I would lock them myself, but you blocked me. So I would appreciate it if you would do it for me. --Daniel Draco 23:41, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::I will deal with locking and adminship later; as I explained above. Right now I do not have time to do that. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 13 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::As a comment one can always change their mind - like with [[User:TK-Squared]] and his supposed leaving (although those pages still have yet to be restored - given time they will). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:13, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Very well, as per your wish, all my pages now have been put up for deletion. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 00:14, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Incorrect. Now the pages ''you'' want to delete are being processed the correct way through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. That's why I mentioned above about how you can always change your mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:16, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::: I am going to relate this incident and following "explanation" to a real-world incident that has a similar feel to it. Dictator #1 "owns" his "server". Therefore, Dictator #1 believes he's allowed to do whatever he wants in his "sever" and the people will have no say about the matter. He believes that the people are creating some form of rebellion, so he "bans" them. The only difference between your situation and Dictator #1's situation is that you had no rebellion. You simply... I don't know, freaked out, apparently at the fact two pages were made to begin an implementation process of something most of the active and contributing user base had supported. <br />
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:::::::::::Furthermore, you are a keen supporter of these "policies" that you have, although finding what exact policies you mean is a slight chore in itself, yet you find yourself exempt because you "own" the site. You have breached the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Administrator_conduct Administrator Conduct] and the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators#Misuse_of_administrative_tools Misuse of Administrative Tools] policies laid down in the Administrator's policy on Wikipedia. If you want to run your site like a wiki, stop trying to run it as though you're the grand tyrannical godking of all creation and maybe, JUST MAYBE, give a little respect to your userbase. This could be a revolutionary idea, but I hear it works well.<br />
:::::::::::As for my so-called "leaving"; it's a bad example. My leaving was a joke, it's only point was for me to touch up some of my articles in an easier fashion. But, this time; it won't be a joke. I advise anyone wanting their articles to be deleted to add this template; <nowiki>{{delete|14th August 2009|This article is nominated for Speedy Deletion under [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Articles Article G7].}}</nowiki>. <br />
:::::::::::Of course, my logic here for wanting explainations OBVIOUSLY is nowhere near as great as the "MY SITE I CAN DO WHAT I WANT" kind of mentality. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 06:28, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::We have not discussed if we want to implement speedy deletion or not, however your articles will get looked at in due time. Also you ''must'' remember this was not a power trip; I got banned from my own website. That calls for drastic measures (for the most part). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:15, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Drastic measures? If this site is going to hell in a bucket, maybe it's a good thing I've got my rewrites happening offline. Judging by the stability of this situation, I'd rather not my contributions be caught in the crossfire, and sooner or later I'm pretty sure one of you admins or another would overreact. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 12:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Green Dragon, you are a dumbass, you've just killed your own website, and don't even realize it. I would like for my pages to be locked in the same way that Daniel Draco's will be locked, except for the pseudonaught, which will be completed in due time, at which point, I request it be locked as well. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 12:39, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::When I have some spare time I will look into locking and deleting accordingly. Please noted that this does not mean that the admins are losing any privileges - if you know what I mean. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:58, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: What do you mean? (Adding the "if you know what I mean" makes it kinda ambiguous and not-understandable, I think ''':-3''') --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 13:02, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I might care to point out that you got banned from ''your website'' because ''you started banning everyone else first for no reason at all'' (Often referred to as a power trip). That is justifiable banning by Aarnott, your bannings were not justified. [[User:Bunnie|Bunnie]] 13:17, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I meant that after I had the issue sorted out I gave back everyone their privileges as given to them by the D&D Wiki community. Instead of going on the same annoying rants the whole time how about this. You must, one, be able to think (analyze things as well - like [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&user=&limit=500 Special:Blocklog]), and two be able to look at both sides of the issue. ''While'' doing both of these things you ''should'' notice what is going on. Other then that just stop talking to me - I have no time for stupidity. Also you should take a look at [http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=rights&user=&page=&pattern=&limit=500&offset=0 Special:Userrightslog] to look at how the times correlate - then maybe all the people who simply cannot think can figure this out. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:34, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Once again - I have no time for stupidity. If you want to respond I need you to ask an intellectual question and not just say things. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:40, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::[[#What the Hell|Ahem]]. From the look of things, you didn't like something someone on "your" website was doing, despite the fact that it would help the website, and you sought to put an end to it. At which point people asked you why you were acting illogically against your own wiki's interest's, to which you replied "We are using logic here", being thoroughly infuriating. After this, without attempting to discuss the issue at hand, or provide any real reasoning to your side (which you are requesting we see things from without any information on), you banned people. Now then, from this, it should be clear that it's not that you banned people, it's the fact that you didn't listen to them. You blatantly ignored the people whose only interest was to help out "your" website. This is what makes you a dumbass. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 13:57, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::Stay your big insults, Green. Our ears are not large enough to fit them. I don't care how stupid you think we are or how much of a genius you think yourself. Just look upon the barren wasteland of your site a few months from now and reap the seeds of your 'ingenuity'. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 14:38, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::The longterm success of D&Dwiki hinges on cooperation. Let us all remember that we're in this together. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 16:43, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Here's a little "intellectual question" that you have so-far avoided, probably because it's far too ILLOGICAL for you to contemplate. But, you have yet to answer WHY was Surgo banned? Why was Sulacu banned? And, lastly, why was I banned? There have been given no reasons for this and you have just gone on and on about... nothing. Every time you've said something, it's literally being saying NOTHING on the matter. Maybe if you answered one of the questions given to you rather than saying "OMG I WUZ BANND 4 N0 RSN"; because you weren't, I was. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 17:10, 14 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::: Morning. I've only been on your wiki for a very, very short time, but I liked it very much. And now I see that a lot of contributors, in both data and actions, just leave. That sucks. The withdrawal of their past and/or future ocntributions is a very bad thing for the health and diversity of this wiki. So, I understand you "own" the site, that's nice. And I do have to agree with you on some points, firstly that you do have the final say in whatever happens on this site. You own it. They probably shouldn't have banned you, and I can understand that could make you very upset. The other thing I agree on, one of your earlier points, is that anyone is free to leave and go to another wiki. And now, since mainly admins -by definition relatively powerful members of the community- were involved in this struggle, and were grieved in it, a lot of the most useful contributors are leaving your site, along with a sizable amount of regular users. This is not in the best interest of your wiki. <br />
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::::::::::: Now, I'd just wish it'd all clear up and you guys merge again in one wiki, but I don't think that's going to happen. it would be what is best for the wiki and the community behind it, but I guess all people involved are too busy complaining. I think what the admins want is an apology and an explanation worthy of someone more than three years old, because while you do own the wiki, you do not own the community. On the other hand, I think you want to have the last word in whatever happens, making sure nothing happens to your wiki without your knowledge and approval. While this may not be healthy for the site, it is understandablr, and it would only require that any major change would be run past you, and that you are involved in planning and executing any such major change. I think this would not be too much to be asked from the admins. However, you'd still need to explain why something should be implemented or not, because the amount of work put into it by one party should elicit an equal or similar amount of work to negate it. Anyway, what if both parties just state what they'd want, instead of my guesswork? Is there still hope?<br />
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::::::::::::The short answer is no. Those of us who are leaving no longer have anything we want from Green Dragon, we no longer have any demands, and there is nothing he can do to regain our trust. We have made our decision, and there is absolutely no possibility that we will come back. I cannot stress this enough: '''it's too late'''. Green Dragon has lost a large chunk of his active userbase, and you are absolutely free to join us in our new wiki. Out of courtesy to Green Dragon, I will not link the new wiki on this site; however, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for the link. --Daniel Draco 07:30, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== The Tavern ==<br />
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If you don't mind, please come to the tavern. Things must be discussed. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 15:21, 12 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Google Ads ==<br />
Will the wiki be trying to alleviate operation costs permanently with the new ads? Just curious. I know it had been a bit since the last fundraiser. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 23:00, 15 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== An attempt to help you maintain your patrons ==<br />
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I feel it neccessary to speak up at least once on all of this bullshit. I am only reading about this whole 'power struggle', but from what I have seen, you have been totally unreasonable. The admins of your site wanted to improve it (as there ARE way too many 'dambass' pages floating around), and you seemed to be taking well to their ideas (putting your own spin on it, but staying with the general idea). Then when they began to impliment said actions (which you agreed on), you shot it down, claiming it was illogical. You yourself agreed to this illogical action. Then when ONE arrogant moron of an admin bans you from your site (which I agree was totally uncalled for), you end all adminship and close the site. Then you proceed to go into full-on tyrant mode. Now, you ask for an intelligent question, here; I understand temporarily revoking all admin rights until you sorted it out, to avoid being banned again. But why shut down the site for ANY period of time, in consequence punishing the little-folk for one morons actions? You really do need to help us to understand what is going on in your head. If you can do this without throwing some sort of an insult at someone, you may have a chance at saving your site. But at the rate these talks are going, you are going to lose not only the majority of your patrons, but also 9/10ths of your homebrew material. I love this site and the immense material that it holds, but if you continue on your current path, I am sorry to say that I will be one of the ones that leaves for the greener pastures of the newly created site. I do hope you chafe course and help us to understand what is going on in your head tho. --[[User:Sabreheim|Sabreheim]] 00:50, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Just wanted to speak up, it's true that it ''did'' inconvenience us "little folk" when the site went down. That same day I had wanted to show someone my guide for a game they had the same day to show them the basics of character building, but was unable to due to the site being completely down and short messages taking its place. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:54, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:: Er... Aarnott is not a moron. What he did was in line with the Wikipedia policies that this site adheres to and was meant to tell Green Dragon that he was acting way out of line. The act, itself, was perfectly called for; Green Dragon was banning people attempting to talk to him about what he'd done and, by extrapolating from this sequence of events, it's safe to say that saying "wtf r u doin" on his talk page would have gotten Aarnott banned as well, in whatever kind of blind fury that had overtaken Green Dragon.<br />
:: As noted, Sabreheim's post is completely misinformed, then. The site probably won't lose most of it's good homebrew material because Green Dragon probably won't let it happen; nevermind he's done it before, he doesn't seem to be accepting Speedy Deletion (again, part of the policies he's noted this wiki adheres to, time and time again), this is probably due to his realization that people ARE leaving and he doesn't want to lose traffic or articles. Maybe someone should have thought about that before... --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 10:35, 16 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Thank you! ==<br />
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I just wanted to say thank you for the welcome and mention that I hope my presence here can help the community. :) I have some homebrew items to add that I'm not sure how to make up---the HTML here is tricky---but I will be going over the editing pages to find out how to add them. One final thing, though: Where would diseases go on the Wiki? I have quite a few medieval illness piled up and would like to add them. [[User:Chimandera|Chimandera]] 03:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Permissions Issue ==<br />
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I have an issue maintaining the SRD. I've lost the ability to edit. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:40, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Ah, you must have missed the wikipocalypse. There is a very good summary of it [[User talk:Calidore_Chase#To_recap|here]]. If you want a link to the new wiki, feel free to [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|contact me]] for it. --Daniel Draco 13:08, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I'll give them back soon. Sorry I just had an issue with the backend of D&D Wiki (and a bit of the frontend as well) and as a result permissions were changed (for the moment I am the only bureaucrat and only admin). I'll give them back in a few days, I'm just letting things calm down a bit, etc. If you need them now (I trust you enough) could you let me know please within a few hours? I am going to drive for a few days and will not have internet for a bit; so if you let me know sooner then later I will have time to give them back to you. Also I am going to keep it with me being the only bureaucrat; just so you know. But I will give back all the admin privileges soon (or now - depending). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: So... basically this wiki will go unadmined for a few days? >_> I've reverted vandalism on at least 2 pages (don't remember if I did others) and the offender wasn't blocked. If you're away or aren't keeping watch on the wiki, at the very least assign people who will block vandals, take on administrative duties, and so on? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:45, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I know. I have been re-thinking about which admins I can trust on D&D Wiki and am not positive if I want to give back admin rights now and/or to whom. Although I see what you mean. I will post another thing before I head off a bit after I think about it a bit more. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:55, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I will have internet once again around the 19thish. I'll (for the moment) keep userrights how they are - although probably on the 19th or 20th I will reinstate them. If people would not mind please keep an eye out for vandals (and thanks already [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] for doing so). And sorry about that SRD issue - I hope waiting a few days will work as well. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:39, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::I can wait until the bullets stop flying. When I get time, I'll wade through the vast arguments going. I only look at SRD changes on a daily basis, so I am amazingly ignorant of the recent iconoclasm. --[[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] 05:55, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Alright. I will give permissions back when things have calmed down; no need to worry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:09, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Professionalism==<br />
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Hmm, lots of chatter these days about admin drama. Even us little-known users have taken notice. Looks like a few admins are displeased. We little-known users hope this minor conflict will all be resolved soon. I myself would like to thank GreenDragon for cancelling the Rating Group idea. IMO it was a thoughtful decision. I would also like to thank all Admins for the great work they do and have done on behalf of the community. Thank you all Admins for your wonderful ideas and contributions. We small-town users look forward the resolution of this minor conflict of interest. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 15:32, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:The problem is that he ''didn't'' cancel it. He stated that he didn't like idea. He never vetoed it. He never said that he was putting any authority into his disagreement. All disagreement he stated was phrased conversationally. It wasn't until he '''''banned''''' TK-Squared for starting to implement it that we had any indication that he was giving it an official "no". Using such an aggressive action as a ban as the first indication of a veto is, in my opinion, not professional at all.<br />
:I would also like to point out that the issue has been resolved. The resolution is that those of us who don't feel that we can trust Green Dragon anymore have moved to a new wiki (which I will gladly link to you [[User:Daniel_Draco#Contact|via private means of communication]]). --Daniel Draco 16:02, 17 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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==Vandalism==<br />
I have reason to believe that TK has resorted to vandalism[http://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=TK-Squared&namespace=&year=&month=-1] in his disgust with you. Admins have better ability to control this than I, and I really don't feel like running around in circular thought with an individual anymore. Could you try to step in on this? Thanks. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:23, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Shame he saw fit to demote all his System Operators because of his tantrum, ain't it? I sure could just get Surgo down here right now to do something about it. What a shame, looks like I get to do what I want with my work, eh? Now, stop vandalising my pages. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:26, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::You realize that your above statement just proves your own childishness. Maybe Green Dragon was wrong to begin with, but now he is fully justified. D&Dwiki is a collaborative effort. You have repeatedly refused to collaborate with other individuals. This should be the final straw. GD, if available, I would like to open up a Request for Ban on TK. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:28, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: You're not quite getting it, are you? The Ratings Committee? That was a "collaborative effort". Quite a few people agreed on it, so I went about helping realize the dream. So, where was the "community" when Green Dragon said "No, you're banned for doing this"? I don't know; maybe you're feigning ignorance or maybe this internet is REALLY getting to you, you throw around thinks like "being childish" and "your argument now sux" and "refusal to collaborate with others".<br />
::: And it's hilarious. This entire thing; hilarious. Especially since Green Dragon's gone for 2-3 days. Dear, oh dear. Looks like I'll actually have control over my own creations, what a novelty. Chill out, relax. Play some b-ball outside-a school. Would you have your oral orifice so wrapped if you were banned during the tantrum? Dear, oh dear. But, at least you've stopped vandalising my pages. Chin chin, old chap. --18:36, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::The thing is Liam, I do understand, and I personally feel like GD overstepped and was wrong too. You know how you win in a situation like this? Obviously not, because devolving into vandalism kills any argument you had. Now you're no better than what you said he was, and you have no high ground to stand on. Revert to your typical "e-bullying" trying to make yourself feel better, but I'm not impressed. You reacted incorrectly to the situation, and for as much as you talk about being mature, you repeatedly showcase that you are not. I require no response from you, good day. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 18:41, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::: Yeah, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikihounding#Posting_of_personal_information Liam]. I'd like to request a ban from George here for calling me weird names. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 18:54, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::You admitted your identity in the Tavern smart one (remember, I'm the one who combs through the Tavern histories!). Freely given information may be freely repeated. Those who lose their sense of anonymity tend to lose their e-peen bullying nature as well. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:01, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::: So... are we using wikipedia policies? Or not? Or only when it's convenient? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 19:02, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::: All my actions are within the Wikipedia Policies. Please brush up, Timothy. Furthermore, oh no; my name is been revealed. OH SHIT, IF ONLY PEOPLE DIDN'T FIND OUT I'm LIAM BENJAMIN WHITE. Oh wait. Nice try, Hooper, nice try. But, you're still not funny enough; try to add some irony or wit! --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:09, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Sure, your last name is "[[w:Dodds_(surname)|White]]." Sure thing. Yawn. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:12, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::: Sure is. Why? Worried someone lied on the internet? Should have your stalking up to date, buddy. I saw what you tried to do with the yawn there, but it just didn't have any kick to it. I mean, I know being funny doesn't come natural to some people (unlike myself, of course), but at least try. Go on, put some effort into it, George. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:18, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::I second [[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]]'s thoughts above. (Sorry Ghost, just saw that). &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 19:21, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::::Woah, sorry about that. Got called away to do some cool stuff, etc. Anyway, as I was saying; you've got to try to be funnier. If you get a few jokes in, a few witty quips and maybe touch on some irony, you'll loosen up, y'know. Also, still doing Hunter? I tried Hunter once, got to 40 and changed from BM to Marksman. Totally a mistake, I think, and stopped playing it. Oh, and, er... Stop agreeing with people, or something. --[[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] 19:45, 18 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::::::Wow, [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]] I think you need a break. First off insults are not a good option, stalking is not a good option, and overall I think you need to take a break for a bit. I think (instead of posting things all the time) you should spend 30 minutes thinking about the rating commitie thing (and what it could mean), that websites have backends, and that some people are shit as people. After that maybe you should post; keeping in mind civility. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 00:18, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:What, exactly (and I mean that), is your objection to the Rating Committee? I was not as for it as others, but it did seem like a step in the right direction, so I'm curious as to why you are so adamantly opposed to it. And please don't call me stupid for calling it a step in the right direction, I just want to know why you hate it so. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:38, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content). Other then that reason there is no reason for a committee; one can also find people and email then about things to keep everything in check or to check articles for completeness in any case. Adding a fake hierarchical tier onto D&D Wiki for no reason is pointless and counterproductive in my mind. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:43, 19 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::"First off as a system the template reviewing system is much better then the rating system (with the goal in mind of improving content)."<br />
:::I feel the need to point out here that this claim is completely unsubstantiated. If, to quote you, "we use logic here", then statements must be proven in order to be accepted as truth (according to the very definition of logic). --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 00:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::: I've had disagreements with several other users as to what's "balanced" or not. If there was such a committee, would it make my comments worth less than those of people who were on the committee? Would they be disregarded out of hand? Who would make sure they weren't? What if the committee couldn't disagree on what's balanced? Why should they have the primary say in what's balanced and what isn't? As human beings, we're all biased. On a public forum such as this where everyone should be equal, it doesn't feel right that there are those who count for more--the obvious exception being admins of course, since admin duties require a level of authority beyond that of general users for locking pages, blocking vandalists, etc. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:06, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I have a few thoughts on the matter, some of which are in accordance with what you (Green Dragon) just professed, other that are not.<br />
:::::#I agree that the template system is advantageous in that anyone can apply templates, but if the two systems have different goals (read on) the superiority of the template reviewing process should be expected. <br />
:::::#With that said, there's no reason why the two systems could not exist side by side. The template reviewing system exists to bring articles up to an acceptable quality (improvement), while a rating committee would exist to acknowledge articles of superior quality (recognition). That's what I think the rating committee idea was at least in part about. There are thousands of 'useable' articles on the wiki, yet we have had only five featured articles (one of which, [[Cassia (3.5e Deity)|Cassia]], we seemed to agree was not really FA quality). To put it in a more tame light, a rating committee would be a compromise between the five featured articles in existence and a mountain of unsorted mediocrity.<br />
:::::#You say fake hierarchical tier... given that some of the users in question were just that, users, you have a point, and I understand your concern. But if you were to have a category or rank for these users, such as sysop or moderator, or whatever (something other than generic user--pardon my unfamiliarity with the subject matter) then said hierarchy would not be fake, but rather real. If such status were obtained the same way as a Request for Adminship and could be lost in the same manner, that would mitigate a few of the concerns, I think. Having certain limitations or requirements, such as a mandatory X articles reviewed per month but no more than Y nominations per month would ensure an activity level that the template reviewing system can only dream of. Committee members could be exempt at times due to other responsibilities (i.e. life), but you get the idea. There's nothing that creates interest like progress. Knowing your article is in queue for a look over by someone relatively well-respected within the community--it gives an incentive that the template reviewing process cannot really emulate.<br />
:::::#As for the reasoning for such a committee, well it's really about recognition, isn't it? We are all on here for various reasons, whether is to share our own ideas or to borrow from those of others, but I don't think anyone posts anything in that hope that it sits ignored for all eternity. That's the other nice thing about a rating committee, that it could recognize more than our numerical class rating system can. Flaws, feats, weapon enhancements, whatever: ingenuity rewarded wherever it may be found, not just in a select area that commands variable levels of interest from different users.<br />
:::::In conclusion, I'm not sure that such a system would work now even if you were to endorse it, because to be frank, there aren't that many users here I would trust with that power (and let's face it, that's what it is, and you are right to be cautious with how such authority is distributed). Anyway, like the disenchanted and departed members of the wiki maintained, this was supposed to be in the best interests of the wiki. There's no reason you couldn't give it a trial run and see how you, and the community at large, like it. I will address Ghostwheel's just added concern in a moment, but right now I want to get this up for consideration. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:10, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::@Ghostwheel: to answer your concern, you have balance points. That way, Tome classes can be well-received within their own vacuum, and so can other classes with more orthodox power levels. My other thought would be that the committee wouldn't look over each submitted article as a whole (that would take far too long), but rather one person would review an article, and it would be taking off the waiting list. If the article's author was unsatisfied, they could re-submit it, and when it's time came it would have to be reviewed by a different committee member than the original reviewer. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 00:17, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::: If it's as you described it, it seems more like a committee whose purpose is finding articles, making sure their quality (not balance) is up to snuff, and potentially making them featured articles--that doesn't sound bad in the least. However, about Tome classes being in their own vacuum, perhaps we should make some sort of template for tome classes that adds the caveat explaining in what sort of environment the Tome classes were made for--that is, one in which all the clerics use DMM to buff themselves to incredible heights, the wizards are gods, and druids roam the landscape (if I'm understanding correctly). That said, [[Jester_(3.5e_Class)|there]] [[Thief-Acrobat_(3.5e_Class)|are]] [[Assassin,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|a]] [[Monk,_Tome_(DnD_Class)|few]] [[Knight,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|Tome]] [[Fighter,_Tome_(3.5e_Class)|classes]] [[Shadowdancer,_Tome_(DnD_Prestige_Class)|that]] feel balanced for the most part, even in games that don't use [[User:Ghostwheel/3.x_Banned_List|cheesy]] (at least IMO) material. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::To be frank, balance is a part of quality. But as you say, the goal of a rating committee would be to, in my mind, find quality articles, not balanced ones (although as I say, the two do tend to go hand in hand). For classes, I would say that [[User:Jota#Ratings|anything I rate a 17 or above]] on the current scale would get my vote (were I on such a committee), which includes articles for which I have had some reservations about their power. A 12.50 or so out of 15 (no flavor/formatting) might also suffice. Other material is a little different, but that's all semantics right now. As for your other idea, talk of something similar happened in the past, although it was never implemented. Part of the reason was the disclaimer was incorrect, since Tome material is not the explicit creation of solely Frank and K: -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 01:11, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::: Hmmm... perhaps it might simply be worded differently? Something along the lines of, "This page contains materials based on the original work created by Frank & K. As such, it has been made with the concept in mind that a character of a certain level should be able to take on creatures with a CR equal to their level without much trouble, as well as assuming a certain power level of all characters, and is balanced in a way as to allow for this."<br />
::::::::: However, even with this I'm unsure if it would work, since many people wouldn't understand exactly what this meant--that clerics go crazy with DMM, wizards go before everyone else with Celerity, and druids become bears that fly around, summoning whirlwinds and shooting fire from their eyes, so without some sort of explanation somewhere just that might be problematic.<br />
::::::::: Also, even that text is misleading; for me, ToB + XPH material is where I find my "sweet spot" for balance, and many of the classes presented there (no, I don't mean the Soulknife) are able to take down a monster of their CR (though the CR guidelines have their own problems, but let's not get sidetracked too far) without too much trouble, especially under ideal conditions. Yet these classes are underpowered compared to some of the classes (I'm especially looking at you, Prestige Classes) published under Tome material, which leads to some discrepancy in what we said before. Any thoughts on the matter? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 01:21, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Perhaps those classes were made with the idea in mind that no prestige class levels would be taken (Tome Barbarian, for example). Most base classes that are not Tome material seem inferior to prestige classes once those PrC's are accessible, given that for many PrC's you can acquire many of the same benefits that the base class would grant you (bonus spell levels for casters, etc.) while also providing unique abilities. Under such an assumption, why would you ever take levels in a base class (say, wizard) again after you have reached the requirements for a desired PrC? As a result, the aforementioned Tome Barbarian is loaded with powerful abilities so that it can be competitive at every level with a prestige-classed wizard even if the player took Tome Barbarian at every level. It's an incentive to go all the way to level 20, which is something that rarely seems to be done with most SRD classes. So, yeah, they probably seem overpowered, at least compared to the SRD Classes that many supporters of Tome material consider so weak that they're almost ineffectual at high levels. Now, this doesn't always seem to be the case with Tome material (in the case of classes that are shortened to 15 levels to allow, one would guess, for PrC advancement). <br />
::::::::::I'm not sure if I was on base with that at all; my head is still whirring from reading the rest of the conversation thus far. Pardon me if I was mistaken. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 06:28, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Close, but not quite what I meant when I mentioned Prestige Classes. You can see my personal philosophy on prestige classes [[Talk:Magus_Portalus_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|here]] (bottom-most post there currently); thus, prestige classes [[Ninja_of_Gax_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|that]] [[Paladin_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|give]] [[Defiler_of_Temples_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|you]] [[Seeker_of_the_Lost_Wizard_Traditions_(3.5e_Prestige_Class)|casting]] without really losing anything, or having prereqs that force you to sacrifice something don't sit well with me. Straight wizards and clerics are powerful enough as-is without PrC abilities; adding PrCs make them even stronger, which causes imbalance. Do you get what I'm trying to say? --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 12:20, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Ah, I see. The tome PrC's essentially are unbalanced because every level adds bonus spellcasting as well as class features (therefore, if they alternated between class features and spellcasting levels, they would be more balanced)? It makes sense, but I'm not 100% sure I agree. I can't really make a rebuttal at this time, but I'll give it some thought. -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 14:25, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::If they lost even 1 level of spellcasting at 1st level of the PrC, I'd probably say they were a lot more balanced, since then at least they're losing ''something'' to gain all the yummy class features. --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:27, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I agree [[User:Jota|Jota]]. Someone (if desirable) should contact MW and see if they could make it so one could make new userprivilege groups (like what you are talking about). I thought about this at the time however I am not positive if MW would ever make that change.<br />
::::Also, here everyone goes who wanted to be part of some fake committee. [[User:Surgo|Surgo]], [[User:Lord Dhazriel|Lord Dhazriel]], [[User:Rithaniel|Rithaniel]], [[User:TK-Squared|TK-Squared]], [[User:Jota|Jota]], [[User:Ganteka|Ganteka]], [[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]], [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]], and [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] (if you guys can only think this small) I appoint you to FA reviewers!!!!! Feel free to nominate articles for FA status, review them for FA status, etc etc. HAVE FUN AND GOOD LUCK!!! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:01, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::(don't worry everyone else - there is no need to be appointed - only a need to know enough about D&D). --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:05, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::GD, I assume you're being sarcastic? In addition, some of the people you're yelling at had nothing to do with this. They're people I, personally, nomianted, some of which had never even heard about the RC idea. Thus, I hope you don't plan on taking more retaliatory action on the list as a whole. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 20:42, 20 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Insubstantially patronizing us, eh GD? That's a fantastic way to get back on our good sides. Note the sarcastic tone in my voice.<br />
:::::::I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly.<br />
:::::::Also, if you're going to elevate yourself above the rest of us, that makes you not just the owner, but also the de facto leader. As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously. Your last comment displayed neither, and in fact displayed the exact opposites of those needed qualities. --[[User:Daniel Draco|Daniel Draco]] 06:28, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances. Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee. At this time one cannot. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 16:12, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::I really like the way Green Dragon runs this site. Its like the military. Have a problem? Then the answer is: "To bad. Lifes not fair. Suck it." For guys like me, this makes perfect sense. Keep up the good work Green Dragon. --[[User:Jay Freedman|Jay Freedman]] 16:18, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:There are two possibilities there:<br />
:#The internet is a poor medium for sarcasm.<br />
:#You must be oxygen-deprived from receiving a white dragon from Green Dragon. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 20:25, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::@Jay Freedman: Ah, but this is not the military. And even a military setting, without the active participation and satisfaction of the individual the whole will wither and die. To continue your military analogy, this would be like if the sergeant of a company ordered all of his men to charge blindly at a superior enemy with no sound reasoning. The veteran members, sensing flaws in the sergeant's plan, desert quickly after realizing that nothing will change their superior's mind and take all their weapons and ammunition with them. The rest of the company is left with what they have, but without veteran leadership their performance will suffer.<br />
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::Poor example aside, let me just say that while GD may have been right in being angry at being banned from his own site, the other admins were in effect pushed towards those measures by repeated occurences of GD punishing those who were only acting in what they had collectively agreed to be the Wiki's best interests (since there has already been a huge quarrel on this issue I will try to speak no more of it). The point is, the site is pretty much irrevocably fractured, with basically the entire trusted user base (some exceptions exist) gone within a period of a few days. Even some who have elected to stay are still left without the admins who helped make this Wiki a better site as well as without a seriously reasonable and unbiased explanation of why the conflict took place (most people who have been reading up on this know that it's pretty much because of the conflict over a possible Ratings Committee proposal, but others who were not involved in said conflict were banned as well).<br />
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::As the situation stands presently, there is now a rival Wiki comprising the users who are attempting to form their own vision of D&D Wiki without Green Dragon. There is also a huge pile-up of junk pages and dumb IP edits since none of the admins are left to monitor the day-to-day activities of the Wiki (while he may be the owner of this site, Green is to the extent of my knowledge only one person and can only do so much). In that sense, things now seem in a pretty bad state. How can you concievably call that a good way to run any website, let alone one that basically depends on the contributions of its users for appeal? -- [[User:ThunderGod Cid|TG Cid]] 20:57, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Daniel Draco's Counterpoints ==<br />
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I would like to point out to everyone that GD has once again banned me, for a period of one day, on the basis of my last comment, which he categorized as "Intimidating behaviour/harassment". So, first, my rebuttal:<br />
* CHAPTER ONE -- "Whine Kampf"<br />
:* "As the leader, you need to display professionalism and respect, or else nobody will take you seriously." <small>''--me''</small><br />
:* "One does not have to do any of those things in any one of those circumstances." <small>''--Green Dragon''</small><br />
:* Huh. Really. Alright, hypothetical situation. Metaphor Incorporated<sup>1</sup> is a company<sup>2</sup> of moderate size, with happy, active, and loyal staff<sup>3</sup>. Its CEO<sup>4</sup>, Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup>, has always been capable and at least somewhat reasonable in her<sup>6</sup> job. One day, a client<sup>7</sup> does something that she<sup>6</sup> disagrees with, but which her<sup>6</sup> staff<sup>3</sup> thought was a good idea. In an action that is universally seen as irrational<sup>8</sup>, she<sup>6</sup> put all her<sup>6</sup> staff<sup>3</sup> on suspension for an indefinite period of time, regardless of whether or not they were involved. When finally they regain the ability to communicate with her<sup>6</sup>, Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> refuses to offer any explanation or apology for her<sup>6</sup> words and actions, which continue to be generally irrational<sup>8</sup>. Fed up with her<sup>6</sup> ridiculously inappropriate actions, a leader emerges among the disgruntled staff<sup>3</sup>: Lee Dur<sup>9</sup>. He goes off to found a new company<sup>2</sup>, Metaphors Unlimited<sup>10</sup>, bringing along with him a good portion of the staff<sup>3</sup> and clients<sup>7</sup>, leaving Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> behind. The end. Now tell me, if Sue d'Nim<sup>5</sup> had been respectful and professional, would she<sup>6</sup> have lost so much?<br />
:* Footnotes:<small><br />
:# The D&D Wiki<br />
:# website<br />
:# admin(s)<br />
:# owner<br />
:# Green Dragon<br />
:# his/he/him<br />
:# user(s)<br />
:# psychotic<br />
:# Surgo<br />
:# Dungeons and Dragons Wiki<br />
</small><br />
* CHAPTER TWO -- "Brain (Dis-)Trust"<br />
:* "I would also like to point out that nobody wanted to be on a fake committee. That would have been silly." <small>''--me''</small><br />
:* "Also, unless one can make userright areas in MW it is a fake committee." <small>''--Green Dragon''</small><br />
:* "committee: a body of persons delegated to consider, investigate, take action on, or report on some matter" <small>''--Merriam-Webster''</small><br />
:* "Assuming we are all persons: had the committee actually formed, we would have been delegated (assigned responsibility and authority) to take action on rating articles; therefore, we would have been a committee." <small>''--the core principles of logic''</small><br />
* CONCLUSION<br />
:* I would like to point out that I am fully aware that this post is, somewhat ironically, disrespectful and unprofessional. The differences are that 1) I am not the owner of the site and 2) I have not taken any substantial action with this post, where a substantial action is something such as banning every admin. --Daniel Draco 22:06, 21 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: Oh, so it's ''Surgo'' who runs the new site? Well, forget ''that'', then. I could barely stand his manner when he was admin... I think I'll stay. -- [[User:Mythos Specialist|Mythos]] 14:39, 22 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::Wow, it's been a while since I posted here. I haven't really kept up on everything that has been going on, but I don't think my lack of reading is relevant to replying to your comment, Mythos. Surgo is a very good admin for the new wiki. I had my reservations about him before because he can come off as an abrasive individual, but he has really stepped up and done an excellent job. To me, there doesn't even seem to be a choice anymore, however. One stray comment here will randomly provoke a ban (this will probably be my last comment here anyways, so I'm not too concerned about speaking up).<br />
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::Surgo doesn't have any interest in leveraging the fact that it is "his website" to get his way. It isn't even hosted by him: he wouldn't even have any grounds to do that if he tried. In fact, there is someone Surgo reports to (so to speak) that if he started acting out of line like a supreme dictator, the community could go this other person to instead of being at his mercy. I don't know about you, but the thought of losing 2 years of my dedication and work at the whim of one person that '''bans people for trying to discuss things rationally''' seems like a bad idea.<br />
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::It's not going to make a huge difference to me one way or another if you decide to come to the new wiki or not. I just hope that anyone who thinks "bleck, Surgo is terrible" '''considers carefully''' the choice that they are making. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:59, 23 August 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Tzakarath_(3.5e_NPC)&diff=402660Talk:Tzakarath (3.5e NPC)2009-08-09T14:27:00Z<p>Aarnott: /* Delete Template */</p>
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<div>== CR and ECL ==<br />
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Alright, if you're so willing to delete it and undo all my hard work, I'll add the CR. ECL, I have no idea what it is. --[[User:LordInsanity|LordInsanity]] 13:59, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:[[ECL]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:25, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Delete Template ==<br />
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Alright. Stop putting the 'proposed for deletion' template up while I'm ''still working on it'', ansd I'll stop removing it. --[[User:LordInsanity|LordInsanity]] 23:35, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:That's NOT how it works. When it's finished, it can be removed. You can't just remove it yourself if you're working on it. If it's unfinished, it gets the template. [[User:Dragon Child|Dragon Child]] 19:36, 7 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::This is the first NPC I've created, so I don't want it to be deleted ''at all'', because ''I'm still working on it.'' Get it? How would you like it if some idiot destroyed everything you were working on? --[[User:LordInsanity|LordInsanity]] 04:04, 8 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::Use TextEditor, Microsoft Word, Notepad, or Microsoft Excel. Hell, if half the incomplete ideas I had were floating around on the wiki, eh, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty. -- [[User:Jota|Jota]] 10:30, 8 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::I'm not having it deleted, and that's that. --[[User:LordInsanity|LordInsanity]] 07:38, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:::::You could always put it in a sandbox on your user page: [[User:LordInsanity/Sandbox|Like Here]]. You can use that to work on half-baked stuff until it is finished. Whether or not this page gets deleted, however, is not entirely up to you. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:27, 9 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== Um, Dude ==<br />
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Your numbers '''''do not''''' line up. For example, just from having a divine rank of 18, this guy should be having 46 AC ''at least'', and that's before you calculated up the +45 dex bonus from the dex score of 100, and the +65 deflection bonus from the charisma score of 140, which would make it 156 easily before you add in magic items, armor, and the like, at which point it's easy to reach 170 AC. Next, you're skill bonuses should each be +39 at the ''very least'', and thats with no ranks in that skill, and using a skill based off of your '''worst''' ability score. You have too few feats, you should have at least 32. You should have at least 18 salient divine abilities too. That's all just from glancing at the page for a second. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 12:40, 6 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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:Hmm, seems I was Incorrect, the lowest skill check should be a +57, and that's based off of Strength, with no ranks in that skill. If this guy took full ranks in a int based skill (such as any knowledge skill), then it would easily be a +211 skill bonus (+98 from ranks, +95 from int mod, +18 from being a rank 18 diety), not that it would matter cause dieties of rank 11 or higher can take 20 on skill checks, or any given 'check' at all. This guys Int score is high enough to have maximum ranks in every single skill and know every single language, so, why does he not? AC does not line up. Why does he not get bonus hp from his con score? His LOWEST save should be +94, his highest should be +139. You need to list all feats the guy has, regardless of whether they're prerequisite feats to one you already listed. How does he cast epic spells without [[SRD:Epic Spellcasting|Epic Spellcasting]]? If he has max ranks in the necessary skills (which he does, considering he has max ranks in EVERY skill), then he should have 9 epic spells. Initiative +12 when he's got 100 dexterity?! That doesn't even make sense. He should be getting bonus spells/day based off his int score of 200, letting him easily have 24 first, second, and third level spells, 23 fourth, fifth, six, and seventh levels spells, and 22 eighth and ninth level spells before he counts in his spells from being a wizard, and thats just from being a wizard. Next you have to calculate in Sorcerer spells, giving him another huge list. On top of that, if this guy is intelligent (Int 200, I think he ought to be), he'd take Divine Spellcasting as a salient ability, allowing him '''19''' 10<sup>th</sup>, 11<sup>th</sup>, 12<sup>th</sup>, and 13<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''18''' 14<sup>th</sup>, 15<sup>th</sup>, 16<sup>th</sup>, and 17<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''17''' 18<sup>th</sup>, 19<sup>th</sup>, 20<sup>th</sup>, and 21<sup>st</sup> level spells, '''16''' 22<sup>nd</sup>, 23<sup>rd</sup>, 24<sup>th</sup>, and 25<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''15''' 26<sup>th</sup>, 27<sup>th</sup>, 28<sup>th</sup>, and 29<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''14''' 30<sup>th</sup>, 31<sup>st</sup>, 32<sup>nd</sup>, 33<sup>rd</sup>, and 34<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''13''' 35<sup>th</sup>, 36<sup>th</sup>, 37<sup>th</sup>, and 38<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''12''' 39<sup>th</sup>, 40<sup>th</sup>, 41<sup>st</sup>, and 42<sup>nd</sup> level spells, '''11''' 43<sup>rd</sup>, 44<sup>th</sup>, 45<sup>th</sup>, and 46<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''10''' 47<sup>th</sup>, 48<sup>th</sup>, 49<sup>th</sup>, and 50<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''9''' 51<sup>st</sup>, 52<sup>nd</sup>, 53<sup>rd</sup>, and 54<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''8''' 55<sup>th</sup>, 56<sup>th</sup>, 57<sup>th</sup>, and 58<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''7''' 59<sup>th</sup>, 60<sup>th</sup>, 61<sup>st</sup>, and 62<sup>nd</sup> level spells, '''6''' 63<sup>rd</sup>, 64<sup>th</sup>, 65<sup>th</sup>, and 66<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''5''' 67<sup>th</sup>, 68<sup>th</sup>, 69<sup>th</sup>, and 70<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''4''' 71<sup>st</sup>, 72<sup>nd</sup>, 73<sup>d</sup>, and 74<sup>th</sup> level spells, '''3''' 75<sup>th</sup>, 76<sup>th</sup>, 77<sup>th</sup>, and 78<sup>th</sup> level spells, and '''2''' 79<sup>th</sup>, 80<sup>th</sup>, 81<sup>st</sup>, and 82<sup>nd</sup> level spells. This guy could heighten a spell to 82<sup>nd</sup> level, and have it have a save DC of 187, and thats only if he doesn't feel like maximizing, quickening, persiting, or intensifying it. This guy is obviously not going to be CR 45. He has 95 levels in classes that have d4 HD, yet he only has 20 HD? Why are they d10's at that?! I don't know what you're doing with this guy, but you need to do it better. &rarr; [[User:Rithaniel|<span style=color:Gray; -moz-border-radius-topleft:25px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px">Rith</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Rithaniel|<span style=color:black; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:20px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:20px">(talk)</span>]]</sup> 03:25, 7 August 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=402051User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-08T02:47:50Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
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{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Strike|Force Strike]], [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Strike}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can strike his opponents with a burst of telekinesis that impacts almost like a punch in the face. If he succeeds against a ranged touch attack against a target in short range, he deals 1d4 force damage per force master level.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can forgo 1d4 force damage when making a force strike to push the target 10ft away from him (this must be a straight line). He can choose to forgo any number of additional 1d4 force damage dice to add another 5 ft. to this distance per damage die lost. The target is entitled to a fortitude save DC (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Charisma Modifier) to avoid being pushed.<br />
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=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
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'''Force Pull'''<br />
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*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
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'''Flight'''<br />
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*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
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'''Hold Person'''<br />
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*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
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'''Wall of Force'''<br />
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*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.<br />
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'''Strong Push'''<br />
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*If the target hits a wall, it is as if they had flown at least X ft. for determining damage (so if they are standing beside a wall, you can smash them into the wall without them needing to fly through the air.<br />
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'''Vertical Push'''<br />
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*You can use one quarter of your push distance to move the target in a vertical direction. If you push them against the ground, you can make a trip attempt (TODO) and it counts as if they had moved one quarter your push distance for the purposes of triggering damage. So if you have a 20 ft. push and you push the target 10 ft. away from you and 5 ft. down, it is as if you pushed them 5 ft. for the purposes of dealing damage (you would deal 2d6 damage).<br />
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'''Improved Force Push'''<br />
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*Increase the push damage from 2d6 to 3d6<br />
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'''Greater Force Push'''<br />
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*Increase the push damage from 3d6 to 4d6 -- at 20th level this ends up dealing 40d6 damage.<br />
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'''Multi Push'''<br />
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*Lose 5 ft. of push power to be able to target another creature within 10 ft. of your original target<br />
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'''Improved Multi Push'''<br />
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*You can use multi push on 2 extra creatures, expending an extra 5ft. each time. Use a 30ft. radius instead.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=401830User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-07T23:15:55Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
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{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
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Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Strike|Force Strike]], [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Strike}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can strike his opponents with a burst of telekinesis that impacts almost like a punch in the face. If he succeeds against a ranged touch attack against a target in short range, he deals 1d4 force damage per force master level.<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can forgo 1d4 force damage when making a force strike to push the target 10ft away from him (this must be a straight line). He can choose to forgo any number of additional 1d4 force damage dice to add another 5 ft. to this distance per damage die lost. The target is entitled to a fortitude save DC (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Charisma Modifier).<br />
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<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.<br />
<br />
'''Strong Push'''<br />
<br />
*If the target hits a wall, it is as if they had flown at least X ft. for determining damage (so if they are standing beside a wall, you can smash them into the wall without them needing to fly through the air.<br />
<br />
'''Vertical Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use one quarter of your push distance to move the target in a vertical direction. If you push them against the ground, you can make a trip attempt (TODO) and it counts as if they had moved one quarter your push distance for the purposes of triggering damage. So if you have a 20 ft. push and you push the target 10 ft. away from you and 5 ft. down, it is as if you pushed them 5 ft. for the purposes of dealing damage (you would deal 2d6 damage).<br />
<br />
'''Improved Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 2d6 to 3d6<br />
<br />
'''Greater Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 3d6 to 4d6 -- at 20th level this ends up dealing 40d6 damage.<br />
<br />
'''Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*Lose 5 ft. of push power to be able to target another creature within 10 ft. of your original target<br />
<br />
'''Improved Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use multi push on 2 extra creatures, expending an extra 5ft. each time. Use a 30ft. radius instead.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=401829User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-07T23:15:07Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
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{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Strike|Force Strike]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Strike}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can strike his opponents with a burst of telekinesis that impacts almost like a punch in the face. If he succeeds against a ranged touch attack against a target in short range, he deals 1d4 force damage per force master level.<br />
<br />
Force Push: A force master can forgo 1d4 force damage when making a force strike to push the target 10ft away from him (this must be a straight line). He can choose to forgo any number of additional 1d4 force damage dice to add another 5 ft. to this distance per damage die lost. The target is entitled to a fortitude save DC (DC 10 + 1/2 class level + Charisma Modifier).<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.<br />
<br />
'''Strong Push'''<br />
<br />
*If the target hits a wall, it is as if they had flown at least X ft. for determining damage (so if they are standing beside a wall, you can smash them into the wall without them needing to fly through the air.<br />
<br />
'''Vertical Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use one quarter of your push distance to move the target in a vertical direction. If you push them against the ground, you can make a trip attempt (TODO) and it counts as if they had moved one quarter your push distance for the purposes of triggering damage. So if you have a 20 ft. push and you push the target 10 ft. away from you and 5 ft. down, it is as if you pushed them 5 ft. for the purposes of dealing damage (you would deal 2d6 damage).<br />
<br />
'''Improved Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 2d6 to 3d6<br />
<br />
'''Greater Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 3d6 to 4d6 -- at 20th level this ends up dealing 40d6 damage.<br />
<br />
'''Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*Lose 5 ft. of push power to be able to target another creature within 10 ft. of your original target<br />
<br />
'''Improved Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use multi push on 2 extra creatures, expending an extra 5ft. each time. Use a 30ft. radius instead.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=401786User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-07T22:42:16Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
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{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Strike|Force Strike]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Strike}} ([[Su]]):''' A force master can strike his opponents with a burst of telekinesis that impacts almost like a punch in the face. If he succeeds against a ranged touch attack against a target in short range, he deals 1d4+1 force damage per character level.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.<br />
<br />
'''Strong Push'''<br />
<br />
*If the target hits a wall, it is as if they had flown at least X ft. for determining damage (so if they are standing beside a wall, you can smash them into the wall without them needing to fly through the air.<br />
<br />
'''Vertical Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use one quarter of your push distance to move the target in a vertical direction. If you push them against the ground, you can make a trip attempt (TODO) and it counts as if they had moved one quarter your push distance for the purposes of triggering damage. So if you have a 20 ft. push and you push the target 10 ft. away from you and 5 ft. down, it is as if you pushed them 5 ft. for the purposes of dealing damage (you would deal 2d6 damage).<br />
<br />
'''Improved Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 2d6 to 3d6<br />
<br />
'''Greater Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 3d6 to 4d6 -- at 20th level this ends up dealing 40d6 damage.<br />
<br />
'''Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*Lose 5 ft. of push power to be able to target another creature within 10 ft. of your original target<br />
<br />
'''Improved Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use multi push on 2 extra creatures, expending an extra 5ft. each time. Use a 30ft. radius instead.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=401759User talk:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-07T21:29:12Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>== Mechanics ==<br />
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I don't like the way the mechanics for this works yet, but I think it has the potential to go somewhere interesting. I basically want to make a Jean Grey / Jedi (minus the lightning and charm person stuff). I think it should be a check (so he has to make some form of attack roll) and I do like the idea of having it scale based on his roll. How do I get it so that the range is a little more variable and that it remains balanced as the monsters get bigger with titanic strength scores? Please rip apart the existing mechanic (based on bull rush). I'd like to make this class something like the [[Fire Mage (3.5e Class)|Fire Mage]]: easy and ''fun'' to play without going broken. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:13, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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: I think I got a MoI from you--unsure how those work or what they're for. Mind enlightening me? :-3 --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:20, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::I sure did MoI you. Below the edit window, at the right side, there is a link that says MoI a user about this change. Basically, it allows you to alert a user of a change you have made (go figure). I MoI'd you in this case because I was interested to see what you thought about this idea I'm brewing. You have had some good ideas with your own base class (the boost other allies idea) plus plenty of good suggestions with some other base classes floating around here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:02, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::: Ah, I'd be glad to help :-)<br />
::: Looking over the Fire Mage, the first thing that jumps out me is the difference between the two classes--their base abilities. Fire is easy to explain to newbies and has one primary purpose; damage. This makes it a good newbie class, since they can easily understand the concept and enjoy blasting things apart. On the other hand, the main shtick of the Force Master is to push things--people--whatever around. This is a far more intricate ability, which can be used in any number of different ways, not only pushing people but also perhaps collapsing walls, shooting objects (bullets?) at incredible speeds, pushing people straight up into a ceiling or forcing them into the floor (and with your incredible bonuses to the check, virtually no one is going to be able to resist past 3rd level, I think) which might make people prone, and more. Perhaps also following telekinesis, people could also be grappled/pinned by the telekinetic force.<br />
::: Now let's look at the actual checks you're looking at; we'll assume a 16 base wis, since that's our primary attribute. At level 15, you'll probably have a wis of 16 (wis) + 6 (item) + 3 (level) + 1 (tome) = 26 (+8) and another 6 + 14*5 is a total of +84 to your check. The Tarrasque, a colossal creature with a strength of 45 would get 17 (Str) + 16 (Size) + 4 (Stable) = +37 to its check. So yeah, there's no way virtually anything is going to beat your check past level 5ish. Let's say you both roll 10; that means you can easily push it at least 45', which means 18d6 damage, perhaps combined with crowd control. And at higher levels, the Force Master might have the ability to affect more than one creature at a time--and that check is against the Tarrasque. The majority of monsters one fights are going to have far lower checks.<br />
::: A better idea might be starting off with the basics of combat in D&D--namely, damage. Start off with shooting small objects at enemies for damage, or chipping at their weapon to give them a debuff to damage until they take a full-round action to clean their weapon, or giving a buff to friendlies, forcing their weapon to fly faster and with more energy behind it to add to damage or to their accuracy--perhaps both. I'd suggest starting small and building your way up from there instead of going to the dessert (debuffs AND damage AND crowd control) first off.<br />
::: Hope this helps give you some inspiration :-) --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 15:40, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
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::::Thanks! That definitely gives me a better start. I'm going to just scrap the existing mechanic and come up with something better. I'm thinking something like an Fire Bolt with force damage will do the trick. Eventually you will be able to trade d6s of damage to do cool tricks like send them flying, trip them, etc. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:29, 7 August 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400651User talk:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T21:02:36Z<p>Aarnott: /* Mechanics */</p>
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<div>== Mechanics ==<br />
<br />
I don't like the way the mechanics for this works yet, but I think it has the potential to go somewhere interesting. I basically want to make a Jean Grey / Jedi (minus the lightning and charm person stuff). I think it should be a check (so he has to make some form of attack roll) and I do like the idea of having it scale based on his roll. How do I get it so that the range is a little more variable and that it remains balanced as the monsters get bigger with titanic strength scores? Please rip apart the existing mechanic (based on bull rush). I'd like to make this class something like the [[Fire Mage (3.5e Class)|Fire Mage]]: easy and ''fun'' to play without going broken. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:13, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
<br />
: I think I got a MoI from you--unsure how those work or what they're for. Mind enlightening me? :-3 --[[User:Ghostwheel|Ghostwheel]] 14:20, 5 August 2009 (MDT)<br />
<br />
::I sure did MoI you. Below the edit window, at the right side, there is a link that says MoI a user about this change. Basically, it allows you to alert a user of a change you have made (go figure). I MoI'd you in this case because I was interested to see what you thought about this idea I'm brewing. You have had some good ideas with your own base class (the boost other allies idea) plus plenty of good suggestions with some other base classes floating around here. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:02, 5 August 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400482User talk:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T19:13:04Z<p>Aarnott: New page: == Mechanics == I don't like the way the mechanics for this works yet, but I think it has the potential to go somewhere interesting. I basically want to make a Jean Grey / Jedi (minus the...</p>
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<div>== Mechanics ==<br />
<br />
I don't like the way the mechanics for this works yet, but I think it has the potential to go somewhere interesting. I basically want to make a Jean Grey / Jedi (minus the lightning and charm person stuff). I think it should be a check (so he has to make some form of attack roll) and I do like the idea of having it scale based on his roll. How do I get it so that the range is a little more variable and that it remains balanced as the monsters get bigger with titanic strength scores? Please rip apart the existing mechanic (based on bull rush). I'd like to make this class something like the [[Fire Mage (3.5e Class)|Fire Mage]]: easy and ''fun'' to play without going broken. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:13, 5 August 2009 (MDT)</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400479User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T19:03:47Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 45 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
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=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.<br />
<br />
'''Strong Push'''<br />
<br />
*If the target hits a wall, it is as if they had flown at least X ft. for determining damage (so if they are standing beside a wall, you can smash them into the wall without them needing to fly through the air.<br />
<br />
'''Vertical Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use one quarter of your push distance to move the target in a vertical direction. If you push them against the ground, you can make a trip attempt (TODO) and it counts as if they had moved one quarter your push distance for the purposes of triggering damage. So if you have a 20 ft. push and you push the target 10 ft. away from you and 5 ft. down, it is as if you pushed them 5 ft. for the purposes of dealing damage (you would deal 2d6 damage).<br />
<br />
'''Improved Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 2d6 to 3d6<br />
<br />
'''Greater Force Push'''<br />
<br />
*Increase the push damage from 3d6 to 4d6 -- at 20th level this ends up dealing 40d6 damage.<br />
<br />
'''Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*Lose 5 ft. of push power to be able to target another creature within 10 ft. of your original target<br />
<br />
'''Improved Multi Push'''<br />
<br />
*You can use multi push on 2 extra creatures, expending an extra 5ft. each time. Use a 30ft. radius instead.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400472User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T18:53:32Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 45 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400408User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T17:28:13Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 110 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400407User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T17:27:57Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
<hr />
<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 110 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (4 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/>TODO<br />
|}<br />
<br />
lvl 1<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400406User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T17:27:20Z<p>Aarnott: /* Other ability ideas */</p>
<hr />
<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 110 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (6 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/><br />
[[SRD:Appraise Skill|Appraise]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Balance Skill|Balance]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Bluff Skill|Bluff]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Climb Skill|Climb]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration Skill|Concentration]] ([[SRD:Constitution|Con]]), [[SRD:Craft Skill|Craft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Diplomacy Skill|Diplomacy]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Disguise Skill|Disguise]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Escape Artist Skill|Escape Artist]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Gather Information Skill|Gather Information]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Hide Skill|Hide]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Jump Skill|Jump]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Listen Skill|Listen]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Move Silently Skill|Move Silently]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Profession Skill|Profession]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sense Motive Skill|Sense Motive]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sleight of Hand Skill|Sleight of Hand]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Spellcraft Skill|Spellcraft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Spot Skill|Spot]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim Skill|Swim]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Tumble Skill|Tumble]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Use Magic Device Skill|Use Magic Device]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]).<br />
|}<br />
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lvl 1<br />
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'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis<br />
<br />
'''Wall of Force'''<br />
<br />
*Use it in conjunction with force push to deal lots of damage.</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400405User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T17:24:48Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 110 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (6 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/><br />
[[SRD:Appraise Skill|Appraise]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Balance Skill|Balance]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Bluff Skill|Bluff]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Climb Skill|Climb]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration Skill|Concentration]] ([[SRD:Constitution|Con]]), [[SRD:Craft Skill|Craft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Diplomacy Skill|Diplomacy]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Disguise Skill|Disguise]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Escape Artist Skill|Escape Artist]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Gather Information Skill|Gather Information]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Hide Skill|Hide]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Jump Skill|Jump]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Listen Skill|Listen]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Move Silently Skill|Move Silently]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Profession Skill|Profession]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sense Motive Skill|Sense Motive]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sleight of Hand Skill|Sleight of Hand]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Spellcraft Skill|Spellcraft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Spot Skill|Spot]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim Skill|Swim]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Tumble Skill|Tumble]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Use Magic Device Skill|Use Magic Device]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]).<br />
|}<br />
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lvl 1<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +6 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User:Aarnott/Sandbox5&diff=400402User:Aarnott/Sandbox52009-08-05T17:24:05Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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<div>Telekinesis Based Class -- Force Master<br />
<br />
{| class="{{d20}}"<br />
|+<br />
<div>{{#anc:Table: The Force Master}}</div><br />
Hit Die: d6<br />
|-<br />
! rowspan="2" | Level<br />
! rowspan="2" | [[BAB|Base<br/>Attack Bonus]]<br />
! colspan="3" | [[SRD:Saving Throw|Saving Throw]]s<br />
! rowspan="2" | Special<br />
! rowspan="2" | Force Push Distance<br />
|-<br />
! [[SRD:Saving Throw#Fortitude|Fort]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Reflex|Ref]] || [[SRD:Saving Throw#Will|Will]]<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|1st|| class="left" | +0 || +0 || +0 || +2<br />
| class="left" | [[#Force Push|Force Push]]<br />
| 10 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|2nd|| class="left" | +1 || +0 || +0 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 15 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|3rd|| class="left" | +2 || +1 || +1 || +3<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 20 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|4th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 25 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|5th||class="left" | +3 || +1 || +1 || +4<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 30 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|6th||class="left" | +4 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 35 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|7th||class="left" | +5 || +2 || +2 || +5<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 40 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|8th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +2 || +2 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 50 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|9th||class="left" | +6/+1 || +3 || +3 || +6<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 55 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|10th||class="left" | +7/+2 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 60 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|11th||class="left" | +8/+3 || +3 || +3 || +7<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 65 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|12th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 70 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|13th||class="left" | +9/+4 || +4 || +4 || +8<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 75 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|14th||class="left" | +10/+5 || +4 || +4 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 80 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|15th||class="left" | +11/+6/+1 || +5 || +5 || +9<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 85 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|16th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 90 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|17th||class="left" | +12/+7/+2 || +5 || +5 || +10<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 95 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|18th||class="left" | +13/+8/+3 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 100 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|19th||class="left" | +14/+9/+4 || +6 || +6 || +11<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 105 ft.<br />
|- class="{{Odd-Even}}"<br />
|20th||class="left" | +15/+10/+5 || +6 || +6 || +12<br />
| class="left" |<br />
| 110 ft.<br />
|-<br />
| colspan="42" class="skill" |<br />
'''[[SRD:Class|Class]] Skills (6 + [[SRD:Intelligence|Int]] modifier per level, &times;4 at 1st level)'''<br/><br />
[[SRD:Appraise Skill|Appraise]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Balance Skill|Balance]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Bluff Skill|Bluff]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Climb Skill|Climb]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Concentration Skill|Concentration]] ([[SRD:Constitution|Con]]), [[SRD:Craft Skill|Craft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Diplomacy Skill|Diplomacy]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Disguise Skill|Disguise]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Escape Artist Skill|Escape Artist]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Gather Information Skill|Gather Information]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]), [[SRD:Hide Skill|Hide]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Jump Skill|Jump]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Listen Skill|Listen]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Move Silently Skill|Move Silently]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Profession Skill|Profession]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sense Motive Skill|Sense Motive]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Sleight of Hand Skill|Sleight of Hand]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Spellcraft Skill|Spellcraft]] ([[SRD:Intelligence|Int]]), [[SRD:Spot Skill|Spot]] ([[SRD:Wisdom|Wis]]), [[SRD:Swim Skill|Swim]] ([[SRD:Strength|Str]]), [[SRD:Tumble Skill|Tumble]] ([[SRD:Dexterity|Dex]]), [[SRD:Use Magic Device Skill|Use Magic Device]] ([[SRD:Charisma|Cha]]).<br />
|}<br />
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lvl 1<br />
<br />
'''{{#anc:Force Push}} ([[Su]]):''' The main ability of a force master is to throw their enemies around like ragdolls using their telekinetic power.<br />
<br />
You can use force push against a target in short range (25ft. + 5ft. per class level) as a standard action.<br />
<br />
You make a Wisdom check against a Strength check from your target. You get a +10 bonus at first level and a +5 bonus for every new class level you gain. The target adds a +4 bonus for each size category it is larger than Medium or a –4 penalty for each size category it is smaller than Medium. It also gets a +4 bonus if it has more than two legs or is otherwise exceptionally stable.<br />
<br />
If you beat the target’s Strength check result, you push it 5 feet away from you. You can push it back an additional 5 feet for each 5 points by which your check result is greater than the target’s check result to a maximum number of feet based on your Force Push Distance shown in Table: The Force Master. The target provokes attacks of opportunity if it is moved, but it does not provoke attacks of opportunity from you.<br />
<br />
If the target collides with a solid object such as a wall, it takes 2d6 damage per 5 ft. of Force Push Distance you have remaining. It can only take 2d6 damage for each set of 5 ft. it has already been pushed however.<br />
<br />
For example: John, the 1st level force master, uses force push against a dwarf with a +1 strength modifier. John rolls a 16 on his opposed check and adds his +2 wisdom bonus and +6 class bonus for a total of 24. The dwarf rolls a 7 on his opposed check and adds his +1 strength bonus and +4 stability bonus for a total of 12. John is able to push the dwarf 10 ft. He is able to push the dwarf 5 ft. before the dwarf hits a wall. The dwarf takes 2d6 damage from hitting the wall. On his next turn, John tries pushing the dwarf against the wall again. He succeeds on his check, but does not deal damage because the dwarf was not moved 5 ft. (even though John could have pushed the dwarf 10 ft.).<br />
<br />
=== Other ability ideas ===<br />
<br />
'''Force Pull'''<br />
<br />
*Disarm<br />
*Trip<br />
*Move them towards you<br />
<br />
'''Flight'''<br />
<br />
*Use the telekinesis to propel yourself around for a time<br />
<br />
'''Hold Person'''<br />
<br />
*Hold a person using telekinesis</div>Aarnotthttps://www.dandwiki.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Aarnott&diff=400351User talk:Aarnott2009-08-05T13:48:56Z<p>Aarnott: </p>
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== Re:The Weathercaster ==<br />
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Hey. I know that you did not originally design the class, but you were responsible very much for fixing it up and making it what it is now. I must admit that at this point I have very few suggestions (the epic progression might be ''slightly'' powerful, since extend spell, call lightning, and call lightning storm all continue to gain power, but it is ''very'' minor. I wouldn't worry about it.). Since I'm basically out of suggestions, I decided to simply rate it for you. I just wanted to congratulate you here on an excellent job and a fantastic addition to D&D Wiki. Thank you for all that you do! &mdash;[[User:EldritchNumen|EldritchNumen]] 11:33, 8 March 2007 (MST)<br />
:Thanks a lot ''':-)'''. I worked pretty hard on making the class as "published material" as I could. It had a good success too. The player who originally designed it is about to gain another level (and be able to pick it). Statistically they aren't sure whether to pick the Weathercaster or wizard. Role-playing wise though, they are going straight for this prestige. I'm glad you think it turned out well too. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 13:29, 8 March 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Spider Rider ==<br />
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I have altered said class according to your rating, and it is now a PrC. Could you have a look at it, please? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:39, 24 July 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Guess who's back! ==<br />
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I am back from my holaday now, and I have now added the Presteige Class of the Spider Rider. It is [[Spider Rider-PrC Version (DnD Prestige Class)|here]]. Please can you let me know how balanced it is? Thanks for all your help!--[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 03:30, 11 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:I will look at it in detail soon ''':)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:27, 13 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::I'm looking forwards to it. Please can you not rate it though- I would like to improve it from critism (like we did with the spider rider) first. Thanks! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 12:24, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::I've actually already taken a look. Look at the talk page ''':)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:26, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::Thanks! I have read your comments and altered the class accordingly. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 04:18, 15 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Spell levels ==<br />
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Yay, spells per level categorization is done, what shall we do next? My priorities would be <br />
# create dplc entries for feats<br />
# create dplc entries for spells so the autocreated spell list mimics the one in the PHB, or<br />
# update all SRD pages with the right footers and merge the current 3 templates in all pages to one. <br />
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::It does look good doesn't it ''':)'''. Great idea on your part! Right now I'm actually working on php forms for this site to try to make it so that people with little wiki knowledge can add content. Also so that new content gets added correctly... So that means I will help periodically with whatever task you decide to do, but my focus will be mainly on the forms. The SRD pages would be best dealt with using a search/replace, so when we have figured out how we want the pages to look, I'll figure out a regular expression search/replace and give it to [[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]]. Then he can run it directly on the server files (after backing them up of course). I think a dlpc for spells would definitely be good, and in fact should be a new SRD project (as well as a User Content project). --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 10:26, 13 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::The spell dlpc is pretty easy, all you need is a template with two arguments, one is the spell name and the other the effect, and the template creates a unsorted list entry with the square removed by CSS style. --[[User:Mkill|Mkill]] 11:46, 13 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::So do you want to start that one next? --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:26, 13 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::::If you guys want to make a dplc that deals with the spells you may want to ask it on [[Talk:DnD Spells/Powers]] as this is really not the place to discuss it... Sorry. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:31, 13 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Fair enough. I'll post the idea there. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:56, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== AJAX ==<br />
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Just curious, do you know how to program AJAX? I am wondering because it might be nice to add a little of that in to the NPC Generator... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:18, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:I don't know AJAX. I've heard it is the new kid on the block when it comes to web-based applications, but that is about as much as I know. Do you know what its advantages over javascript are? I will learn it if it has clear advantages. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:20, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::I do not program, so this may be a load of crap. Anyway, I think it can expand and collapse something without the page re-loading. So the NPC page could have a section for "Race" and by clicking that the entire thing can expand... I do not know if other languages can do this. However, I think GMail and many Google applications use AJAX, so it does have power... I don't know, I would ask a coder ([[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]], [[User:Sledged|Sledged]], etc) if it would be an advantage. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:54, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::That's the sort of thing I was going to use javascript for. I'll research it myself though (could be more useful). Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:15, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::Oh... As I said before I do not know how to code and so I do not know what certain languages can do and cannot. Sorry for not really helping ''':S'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 14:16, 14 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Spider Rider PrC ==<br />
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I have altered the Spider Rider according to your comments. Can you have a look at it, please? Thanks!--[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 05:15, 20 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:Made the new improvements to the Spider Rider PrC. Can you please check to see if any more improvements can be made? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 12:15, 21 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::I think the Spider Rider is ready for a rating now, so can you rate it please? Thanks! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 05:27, 22 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::I have, yet again, improved the Spider Rider PrC according to your rating. How is it now? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 12:56, 22 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::I have clarified those things on the spider rider now (HD, feats). Could you check it, please? --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 09:05, 23 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Congratulations! ==<br />
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Congratulations about the marriage! Sorry about not seeing it &mdash; I was away at the time (did not see the edit) and I have not looked at your user-page in a while. Anyway, 7/7/7 is a lucky time to get married, and I hope all turns out well! I hope the honeymoon was fun, and congratulations again! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:24, 29 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:Thanks! It's been a honeymoon so far, and I know it'll stay that way ''':)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:33, 4 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Specific Monstrous Spider ==<br />
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Hey, Aarnott. Do you think you could help me balance out the [[Spider, Monstrous Specific (3.5e Template)|Specific Monstrous Spider Template]], please? Thanks! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 05:27, 30 August 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Appreciation ==<br />
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Thank you, Aarnott, for assisting me in fixing the numerous errors in my Superpseudo Drake, as well as helping me to finally understand how to add links. You are a scholar and a gentleman. [[User:Uvū the Realm|Uvū the Realm]] 12:37, 6 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:If you feel that this is very nice please do not hesitate to give [[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] a [[Template:Barnstar|Barnstar]]. They are the way of saying "Thanks" on a wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:01, 6 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh, yeah, that reminds me...--[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 08:39, 7 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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== Barnstar ==<br />
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{{Barnstar|I give you this barnstar for especially helpful advice for the [[Spider Rider (DnD Prestige Class)|Spider Rider]] and one or two other things... The advice was great, and helped hugely in making the [[Spider Rider (DnD Prestige Class)|Spider Rider]] the class is should have been when it was first written. Thanks!! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 08:47, 7 September 2007 (MDT)}}<br />
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== Away for a Bit ==<br />
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I haven't had much time to make updates here, but I do plan to come back when stuff dies down. Hopefully when I get back I'll have the NPC generator done... Just in time for 4.0 :P. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:02, 25 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:Wow.. thats quite a while. Have fun, and I hope getting away from D&D Wiki will be a nice break. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:03, 27 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::Oh I didn't mean I'd be gone that long -- I was making a joke at how long my NPC gen is taking. I'm not sure how long I'll be away, but it should probably be until the end of my current school term. I'm working 20 hours a week plus taking a couple really tough courses (semiotics... shudder). Once that is over I should be able to participate more. --[[User:64.187.23.98|64.187.23.98]] 06:36, 28 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::Good luck! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 07:52, 28 September 2007 (MDT)<br />
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::::Wait, your NPC gen is done, right? I thought that it's just compiling and had been done for a while... ''':P''' --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 23:45, 1 October 2007 (MDT)<br />
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:::::School is winding down (ends Monday for me), so I should be able to participate again soon! I have a lot of cool ideas I will be posting (including a simplified edition of D&D d20 that I' writing to introduce my wife to the game). My big projects when I come back include:<br />
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:::::*Posting the simplified D&D variant (I won't post it until I'm actually done it though -- and I'm only done 1 of the four base classes)<br />
:::::*Finishing the NPC generator I was working on. I have a lot more web-app experience from work now, so that shouldn't be a problem.<br />
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:::::It feels good to be able to contribute again! Semiotics is the devil. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:22, 6 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::Looking forwards to it! ''':)''' --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 06:36, 7 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Same here! --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:36, 9 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Specific Monstrous Spiders ==<br />
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Hey, Aarnott, now you are back, do you think you can help me with [[Spider, Monstrous Specific (3.5e Template)|Specific Monstrous Spider]], please? Thanks. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 10:55, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:Will do ''':)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 11:02, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::Thanks. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 11:05, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Specific Monstrous Spider ==<br />
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I've had a look what you think, and I agree. What is the next step? Oh, thanks for your help! --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 12:41, 13 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Donation ==<br />
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Thank you for your generous donation Aarnott! You may use the donation badge: {{donor|<badge>iV6a2vaTVq</badge>}} &mdash; <span style="color:#002137;">[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] <small> ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]])</small></span> 20:36, 20 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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:I would also like to say thank you, so... Thank you. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 22:19, 20 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::You are most welcome guys ''':)'''. D&D Wiki deserves every penny. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:42, 21 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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== Adminship ==<br />
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I feel you have been here long enough, and know enough about D&D Wiki, to become an admin. So, I am wondering if you would like me to nominate you for adminship. Let me know what you decide ''':)'''. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:30, 1 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Thanks for the vote of confidence but I would prefer to wait a while. Between work and university, I can't be sure if I will be able to remain active on the site. I don't think it would be fair for me to be voted in and then in a few weeks I have to cut back on recreational activities (such as D&D Wiki) because of courses being tough. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:31, 1 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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::I understand completely. In the future if you ever want to get nominated feel free to nominate yourself, as I will probably forget, however I will continue to be a supporter. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 20:43, 1 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::I'd support you for adminship, too. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 09:22, 10 January 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::Still no? --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 12:41, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::I had actually been thinking about nominating myself soon as you suggested in January. I think I will be able to remain active for at least the near future, so yeah -- seems like a good idea. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 12:46, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::::[[Requests for Adminship/Aarnott]]. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 13:04, 19 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::::Welcome to Adminship. You are now, as [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] once put it, part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. Honestly, as you will notice, not much has been changed now that you are an admin. If anything, I would say more burden is placed on you. But first, for the the new features and their uses. You can now delete pages, protect pages, rollback edits, block users and IP's, edit every page, patrol edits, and do a couple more minor things.<br />
:::::::;What it is:<br />
:::::::*What deleting pages is, is self explanatory.<br />
:::::::*What protecting pages is, is also pretty self explanatory.<br />
:::::::*Rolling back edits is a method for removing spam. It is more powerful than the conventional method of undoing edits. Instead of showing a diff of the edit in question once clicked, it instantly rollsback all the edits by the user or IP in question on a certain page. For example if I edited my user page and you clicked "rollback" on that edit it would rollback all the edits up to the point where someone else has edited it. Be careful using this, it can be very helpful but also very harmful.<br />
:::::::*What blocking users and IP's is, is also self explanatory.<br />
:::::::*Editing every page is another self explanatory one.<br />
:::::::*Patrolling edits is a method for keeping [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] in check, it can be seen once a diff is clicked. All it does is, once "Mark as Patrolled Edits" is clicked, it marks the edits as patrolled so the edit will no longer show up on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] when "Hide Patrolled" is marked.<br />
:::::::;When or how it should be used<br />
:::::::*Deleting pages is normally done through [[:Category:Candidates for Deletion]]. Anything with a good reason to be deleted on that page should be deleted. The other time pages should be deleted is when someone makes a certain page and after a few edits they either blank the page or replace it with something like "Please delete this". They don't want to work on it, and unless it is really well made and fleshed out, just delete it.<br />
:::::::*Protecting pages has quite a few different times when it should be used. Pages should be protected according to the author's wishes (with [[Template:Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of conflict (with [[Template:Temp Locked Page]] added to the top of the page in question), in case of [[Help:FAQ#What are OGL, OGC, SRD, and GNU FPL?|OGC]] published materials (with [[Template:OGL Top]] added to the top of the page in question and [[Template:OGL Bottom]] added to the bottom), or finally if the page is a vital part of D&D Wiki's organization. If it deals with D&D Wiki's organization it either needs to be be protected from IP edits or all non-sysop edits. As a rule of thumb pages up to two tiers deep from the [[Main Page]] are normally locked to anyone but sysops and all the others are just protected from IP edits. For Example [[Dungeons and Dragons]] is protected from all non-sysop edits whereas a deeper in page like [[LA 0 Races]] is only protected from IP edits. No template has to be added to pages if thay are part of D&D Wiki's organization (even though some do exist like [[Template:Admin Locked Page]])<br />
:::::::*Blocking a user or IP should only be used after an IP or user vandalizes a certain page. To block someone just click "block" (found either on [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] or the diff in question) and fill out the corresponding form. For a typical vandalism attack I normally block the user for two weeks. If I'm in a bad mood from vandalism or a certain discussion, then I sometimes block them for up to a month. No standards have been set for block lengths, so it is currently really up to you when you block the user or IP.<br />
:::::::*Editing every page on D&D Wiki mostly means you can now edit the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] and the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. Feel free to edit them if you find inaccuracies. Also, if you want to, for lack of a better word, major in the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] (as [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] has done) or the [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]] (as [[User:EldritchNumen|EldrithNumen]] has done) take a look at [[SRD Talk:System Reference Document#SRD ToDo List]] or [[MSRD Talk:Modern System Reference Document#Tasks]] to see what needs to be done within the [[SRD:System Reference Document|SRD]] or [[MSRD:Modern System Reference Document|MSRD]]. There is never enough help to get it all done, so I am sure your help would be appreciated.<br />
:::::::*Patrolling edits should, in a nutshell, be used when you have looked over an edit and fixed everything that needs to be fixed (this includes answering questions, sending MoI's, etc). If you decide to, for a lack of better words, major in [[Special:Recentchanges|RC]] (as I have ''':)''') then marking edits as patrolled will become commonplace and extremely helpful. Below is how to "major" in recent changes, which would be a great help to D&D Wiki and I. First off load recent changes and press "Hide patrolled edits". Next click any diff and look at the change. Only if you are 100% sure that the edit is okay (taking formatting standards, page-linking (using the "what links here?" function), answering questions, sending MoI's, and line spacing between comments and/or the "Back to" footer into consideration) then mark the edit as patrolled. If the edit is not okay then all you have to do is fix the problem then mark the edit as patrolled. It's simple, but looking over every edit on D&D Wiki really keeps it looking and running well. In my opinion, it is the most vital part of D&D Wiki. Even marking only 20 edits as patrolled every day would be extremely helpful with this never-ending task.<br />
:::::::I know this is really long-winded, so I'll keep the rest short. You have more burden on youself now that you are an admin because users will be looking at you for editing help, knowledge of the standards, etc etc. It's a bit more work, but I really hope you enjoy being an admin and I hope you decide to stay around on D&D Wiki for a while more to come. Welcome to Adminship, again, as [[User:Dmilewski|Dmilewski]] once put it, you're now part of "The Face" of D&D Wiki. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 15:57, 12 December 2007 (MST)<br />
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::::::::Congratulations! and good luck ''':)''' -[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 22:50, 26 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Barnstar ==<br />
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{{Barnstar|I give Aarnott this barnstar for making [[3.5e Races|DnD Race's]] LA pages into dynamic page lists. This task had been on the backburner for well over half a year and it had gotten to the point were it almost seemed that it would never get done, until Aarnott stepped up, took the initiative, and finally made all the LA pages dynamic. Thank you so much. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 10:44, 28 January 2008 (MST)}}<br />
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== Specific Monstrous Spiders ==<br />
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I've had a look at your comments and tried to improve things abit. Can you have another look, please? I apreciate your help. Thanks. --[[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] 12:29, 8 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Updateing old pages with semantic data ==<br />
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I noticed you'd started to add semantic data to old pages. perhaps we should get the forms done first that way the forms can do most of the work for us when we input the data into the form any addition semantic properties could be added afterwards. Just something to consider --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 07:38, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:I'm mostly making sure which properties I want to use for races. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:44, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Fair enough, I just saw your update for [[Wee'diox (DnD Race)]] and just in case you did plan on adding it all like that I thought I'd offer a suggestion to lower the amount of work we have to do. I didn't want you doubling up on work your fingers will fall off from all the typing ''':)'''. --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 07:49, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::Also I forget what is the difference between string and text. --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 07:50, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::Text has unlimited length. String has 256 characters. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:52, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::::Gotta go to class >< I'll be back on the project this afternoon (Which I guess is around midnight for you aussies). If you complete anything really cool, MOI me ''':)'''. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 07:53, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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::::::Well perhaps you mean midday because it is currently 3:19am (Timezone Sydney Australia +10 GMT, +11 GMT during daylight savings) Take a look at [[Form:DnD Equipment]] I have added to Blue Dragons form it now allows a Type category ie magical non-magical etc and a subtype category ie outfit. Unfortunately currently it does not allow for more than one of each. as I mention on the main talk page any page with category:equipment now has a tab at the top to edit the page with the equipment form. But that is all for one night i'm going to bed! lol --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 09:25, 29 February 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Grr... ==<br />
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Your so mean ''':P''' I was trying to format [[Discussion:What color is Adamantium?]] and add a reply and got two edit conflicts *I hit Arnott with my +2 Sword of wiki errors* --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 08:28, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Hehehe. As a practice (since that has happened to me several times before), I do multiple edits -- first formatting, and then my response. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 10:14, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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::Lol, you can always just press "Back" on your browser and copy your changes. --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 21:06, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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:::No need to hit back your changes are in a box at the bottom of the page you just need to copy them into the box at the top but I did that and then got another conflict error lol. So he still gets hit with my sword of wiki errors ''':P''' --[[User:Hawk|Hawk]] 21:10, 5 March 2008 (MST)<br />
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== Template Troubles ==<br />
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Yay. I'm trying to make certain parts of the table in [[template:4e Power]] appear only when certain parameters are given information. Example, the target line doesn't necessarily have to be there, so I made a parser <pre>{{#if:{{{target}}}|{{4e Power Table Fix}} {{!}}'''Target:''' {{{target}}}}}</pre> after I had a few troubles. It still doesn't work though. I have the bit for the table in the [[template:4e Power Table Fix]] because at first I assumed it was the second [[template:!]] being ignored that was causing my troubles. I'm not sure if it was now. --[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 16:05, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:Template <nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> is used to create a | character inside of a template. That is why I used it for table rows. So you will want: <nowiki>{{#if:{{{target}}} |what you want to appear if target exists |what you want to appear otherwise }}</nowiki>. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 16:43, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I understand that, but when I have <pre>{{#if:{{{target}}}|{{!}}- style="padding: 0.0625em 0.625em 0.0625em 1.25em; text-indent: -0.625em;" colspan="2" {{!}}'''Target:''' {{{target}}}}}</pre> <br />
::instead and and add <nowiki>|target=test</nowiki> to one of the previews nothing changes. I don't see the nice 'target' line. I don't want anything to show when the target parameter is blank. To get the text along with the formatting I have to have a pipe there, so I threw in a <nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> hoping it would work. Neither attempt does, however.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 17:10, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::Got It! You needed a | after target (otherwise it would always be true) and the dash after the first <nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki> was unnecessary. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 19:09, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::Lol. I knew it was something simple. Thanks again.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 20:41, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I finished the template thanks to all your editing help. Would you mind doing a run through to make sure it's bug free and has correct syntax?--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 11:25, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Oh, great... Well, when I made the 4e Ritual form I got the drop down menu's to work by adding the options for them by adding them as allowed values to a property linked to the parameter in the template. I did that again, but I'm not getting any nice drop downs. Any ideas? --[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 15:07, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Nevermind. I had the wrong template listed in the form. It's fixed now.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 15:37, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::The template looks good. I would make it an explicit width, however. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:45, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::Yeah, I was thinking I'd need to do that, but I'm not too certain how.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 22:08, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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==Bot-Assisted Changes==<br />
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What's with the changes to 3e feats lately? It looks as though the result creates bad links and errors. Can I have the lowdown on what the changes are for? Regards. --[[User:Sulacu|Sulacu]] 22:14, 1 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:The changes I am making puts the feat information into a standard template. This will allow us to change the way all the feats are formatted on the fly. It is also helpful for making sure all the feats have particular values (for Semantic Media Wiki) so that we can automatically generate feat tables. Take a look at [[DnD Abyssal Heritor Feats]] for an example of this. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 03:46, 2 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Strange bits with 4e Power template... ==<br />
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Well, whenever someone creates a power using the 4e Power template there are a few extra lines of blank space at the end of the table for the power. Another problem involves the form. Before I consolidated a few of the templates into just the 4e Power template the form used to give drop downs for some of the parameters. Now these are missing from the form.<br />
--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 16:29, 6 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:I'm not sure how the forms work, but I will take a look at the template. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 11:06, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::I finished a version of the template that is a lot easier to read/modify and works well. See it at [[Template:4e Power Test]]. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 14:51, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::I saw you were working on it. Glad to see it works perfectly with all the old parameters. I added in a default value for the little bit of information it throws in the 'header' of the table on the right side, it just needed to have the default be the same as the class to avoid any problems with the form.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 17:32, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::It would be great if you would delete the old template and move that to it's location. That way everything ought to work out. All preexisting powers will use your updated template.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 17:36, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::Nevermind. Just copied everything over.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 17:57, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== What's up with the new power template? ==<br />
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Hey, dude. I don't know if you're the man to speak to about this, but with this updated power template, my flavor text and hit effects are overlapping with that box thingy on the right-hand side that tells the author and status. Also, the previous half-the-width-of-the-page size for the power chart was more visually pleasing than this wider, more space-efficient version. - [[User:Yamamoto_Kesuke| Yamamoto Kesuke]], 7:40 MDT 7 June 2008<br />
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:The new template has been a bit of a joint effort between Aarnott and I, with the occasional help from Sledged. From my POV, the template doesn't cover anything, and fits fine. May I ask the resolution of your monitor? That's about the only thing I can think of that would cause any overlapping.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 19:54, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::What browser is everyone using? I'm using firefox 2.0.0.16, and it looks fine to me. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 20:03, 7 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::I'm using the same version of FF and it is fine. Also I tested it in IE7 and Safari and there are no hiccups. I did make the width explicit, which could be causing the problems. It is fixed at 600 pixels, which with a bad resolution (800x600), it will take up most of the screen. Otherwise it is just too crammed, however. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:38, 8 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::I see the problem, now. When I narrow my browser window the author template and power block overlap. Neither resize themselves. Something to do with one table having a fixed width and the other being a floating table. —[[User:Sledged|Sledged]] ([[User talk:Sledged|talk]]) 09:46, 8 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::I'm running at 1024 by 768 on Firefox 3.1. -[[User:Yamamoto_Kesuke| Yamamoto Kesuke]] ([[User talk:Yamamoto Kesuke|talk]]) 12:04, 8 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::::Ok. I will test FF 3.1 when I get home. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 11:55, 8 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::Thanks. Also, I noticed something strange with the new build option field. Once the page was saved, the code looked like this:<br><br />
::::::::<nowiki>|buildoption:(Text typed into the "Build Info" field)</nowiki><br><br />
::::::::<nowiki>|buildoption:(Text typed into the "Build Info" field)</nowiki><br><br />
:::::::which produced a page that looked like this:<br><br />
::::::::<b>(Text typed into the "Build Info" field):</b> {{{buildinfo}}}<br><br />
:::::::Just letting you know. Thanks for your efforts. -[[User:Yamamoto_Kesuke| Yamamoto Kesuke]] ([[User talk:Yamamoto Kesuke|talk]]) 9:28, 9 August 2008 MDT<br />
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::::::::Yeah, that was the form doing that. I fixed it now.--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 13:06, 10 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:::::::::It looks fine in FF3 for me... --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 19:30, 10 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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::::::::::Then let's just assume that my problem is an isolated incident and have done with it. Thanks for your help. --[[User:Yamamoto_Kesuke| Yamamoto Kesuke]] ([[User talk:Yamamoto Kesuke|talk]]) 6:49 PM MDT, 11 August 2008.<br />
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:::::::::::Well, how large is your screen resolution? I think this may be a problem for people with smaller screen resolutions... --[[User:Green Dragon|Green Dragon]] 02:21, 12 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Clothen Master ==<br />
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Hey i was just wondering if you could rate the clothen master 4e class. I hear your good help. Thanks --[[User:Shadow Dragon|Shadow Dragon]] 12:24, 11 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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:I'm not too familiar with 4e yet. I know that [[User:Sam Kay|Sam Kay]] adopted 4e pretty early, and there are also several people in the [[Special:TheTavern|Tavern]] that use the 4e rules. Once I understand 4e better I will definitely give it a look. --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 08:19, 12 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Woot, more templates... ==<br />
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Well, looked on [[User:Sledged|Sledged]]'s user page, and noticed he had a list of templates he needed to make for 4e. I really need to stop doing that... Oh well, I'm currently working on [[template:4e Magic Item]], and I'm using a lot of code from [[template:4e Power]], mainly the entire setup to keep it clean. So, to get the 6 columned table I made [[template:4e Magic Item/Subtable]] which adds the rows for the level, enhancement bonus, and cost for the item. The level and enhancement bonuses are determined using <nowiki>{{#expr:}}</nowiki> so you only need to put in the bases for them, but I've left cost open to whatever you want (mainly because I don't feel like writing out the formula for it). When I added this template to the Magic Item template, just about everything worked fine, amazing, ain't it? Well, there is the dandy problem of the subtable having an ugly border around it because it's a subtable. Mind taking a look and seeing what you can do?--[[User:Taritus|Taritus]] 08:48, 21 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
:Dandy. Just noticed that not all leveled magic items have progressions of 5. Some go by 10...<br />
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== Tavern bug ==<br />
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Hello Aarnott!<br />
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Would you mind letting me know more information about this "backspace bug"? I do not know what it is at all, and will be happy to hand over CGI files, but would also like to know what is going on. Sorry about the delayed response! &mdash; <span style="color:#002137;">[[User:Blue Dragon|Blue Dragon]] <small> ([[User_talk:Blue Dragon|talk]])</small></span> 15:36, 29 August 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== Dynamic generation question ==<br />
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Hi Aarnott,<br />
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I've been investigating how to get the [Fiend] feats into automagic generation like the Abyssal Heritor feats page. I think I understand what's going on here, but it is very hard to find documentation. A straight {{#ask: [[Category:Fiend Feat]] |format=template |template=Feat Description}} seems to leave stuff like {{{1}}} inside the output, and it really doesn't look like that template was built to deal with this sort of thing to begin with. I've taken a look at what you've done, and it appears that you use a level or two of indirection and wrap all the {{{1}}} calls into a {{#sub: {{{1}}} }} call of some sort. Is this necessary to get the template output to display at all, or is there a way I can get it to display without a level of indirection? I've been unable to find documentation for the {{#sub}} call, and I'm a bit confused. Could you explain what's going on here? Thanks a lot.</nowiki> [[User:Surgo|Surgo]] 21:33, 12 October 2008 (MDT)<br />
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== D&D Wiki Mag ==<br />
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I'd like to sign up as a Writer for the magazine, if that is ok, I was wandering if it would be ok to have a generic page for like articles on role-playing that can be adaptable for pretty much any system, I would happily write stuff for this. [[User:ShadowyFigure|ShadowyFigure]] 15:21, 28 November 2008 (MST)<br />
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:Anyone can be a writer, we are working out the details right now about how articles are picked and how they are submitted and such. Once we have that ironed out more I will let you know! --[[User:Aarnott|Aarnott]] 15:51, 28 November 2008 (MST)<br />
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==RfA==<br />
Thanks for the comments on my RfA, it is really valuable to have people's honest thoughts. Thanks again. &nbsp;<small><span style="border: 1px solid blue; -moz-border-radius:10px">[[User:Hooper|'''<span style="background-color:White; color:FireBrick; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px"> Hooper </span>''']][[User talk:Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;talk&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue">&nbsp;&nbsp;contribs&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]][[Special:Emailuser/Hooper|<span style="background-color:red; color:blue; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px">&nbsp;&nbsp;email&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 17:36, 19 December 2008 (MST)<br />
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==Feat Bundles==<br />
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Great work on the feat bundles, Aarnott. I'm a bit confused about the wording, however. Could you provide an example progression. My present understanding is the following: At 1st level I select Dodge for a feat. At 3rd level, I can pick another feat, and I get another feat from the bundle (say Mobility), correct? And at 6th level, I pick another feat, and get Acrobatic, and then at 9th I pick another feat and pick the last in the bundle, Acrobatic. <br />
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I'm confused, but I don't think I get two-for-one immediately, I only use up one feat slot, but its an investment in free feats later on. But the language says they gain a feat for gaining a level INCLUDING THE LEVEL THEY PICK THE FEAT BUNDLE, but later AT THIS POINT, THEY DONT GAIN ANY NEW FEATS FROM THE BUNDLE.<br />
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== Your Build is Awesome==<br />
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So I made a character today using that [[Ursa Major (DnD Optimized Character Build)]] i helped you with. i just wanted to show you the sheet so you could see how impressed i was with the results, i changed a few things. I used what my forum uses to create charcters, a 36 point buy and a free background feat. I gave him a vow of poverty for extra goodies and a bit more of a hermit wanderer flavor. I get an abominable snowman vibe from him. [[http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=116771|Here]] It is! i'd like your thoughts, but i understand you are busy. oh, and i havent finished the skills yet. thank you. [[User:Summerscythe|Summerscythe]] 03:53, 29 March 2009 (MDT)<br />
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== AdminBadge ==<br />
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